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Speaker: Welcome to the be beyond aesthetics podcast. This is a safe and authentic space for the rising aesthetician to learn, connect and grow into the most successful, purposeful and fulfilled version of yourself. The conversations had here are centered around personal professional and spiritual development that also address specific pain points with real world experience, knowledge and wisdom. So you can navigate exactly what this career throws at you with confidence. We are so excited and honored to have you here. i am your host, licensed esthetician and educator Tiffany Orr, and this is my gorgeous co-host. I am Jessica Peterson, and you're just throwing these new intros at me, i and i love them so much. I'm also a licensed master esthetician and educator.
Speaker: We're just getting better and better with time. Yeah. Yes, exactly. how many years of it? It's 15 years for me coming up on 15 years. Uh, January will be 23. We're, we're dating ourselves by saying that and that's okay. We're proud of it. And why we're here. So we have these conversations in this podcast. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, honestly, I think it's everybody's responsibility. If you've been in a profession for a long time and you love it and you're passionate about it and you have a lot of experience, it's kind of like your duty a way to reach back and to help other people, you know, with everything that we've learned. And that's really ah what we're here to do. So I'm always really like shocked when I say that number And I'm really proud of it too. um And both of us have so many different layers of experience in the industry.
Speaker: yeah You know, so yeah, it's such a, such a beautiful thing. um So you I'm a rep for Eminence Organic Skin Care. If you guys didn't know that next year will be 14 years with them. I've been in a couple of different positions and many, many different territories and states and working with them. And I had a meeting with my sales manager. It was Thursday, right Was that Thursday? yeah And she just was wanting to get a gist of what Beyond Aesthetics is all about, making sure that I'm not like, what was the word that I used?
Speaker: Um, well, like soliciting or, yeah you know, which is totally fine with me. Like I, I'm surprised that they haven't actually asked me that yet. And so when I was describing Beyond Aesthetics, i was like, you know what? It's essentially just, it's this platform and it's this portal that supports estheticians on every level. And, you know, we started it because...
Speaker: Estheticians have been asking for this. Like, there's just a need to bring estheticians together in community and to support them on many different levels, you know, on that education end. All estheticians are like, where do we go for continuing education? And, you know, where do we go when we have questions about our pricing and our menu and our marketing and everything? and our services and making these investments. And, you know, so that's how I described it. It's like this, this beautiful community and this beautiful portable portal that just it supports estheticians on every level, including just as a whole person, we love you. And I love personal development and having those conversations to and spirituality. And so I'm just I'm very, very proud of beyond aesthetics. And I know that you are too and
Speaker: um that's how I would describe it. Like what ah if you're an esthetician and you have a need, you are going to find it here. That's why our podcast can be random. We have human develop or human design conversations and we had a psychic medium on. And then it's like today we're going to talk about skincare topics and we've talked about pricing and we just talk ah a little bit about everything because I think it's needed as our industry is growing and we're just pumping out more and more estheticians like crazy. You kind of get out of school and you get into your career or you start as a solo esthetician and you're like, hold on a second. I have questions. I need help. And the one thing that I think is so beautiful, and we say this often, is just that the estheticians who make their way into our community and our membership are very like-minded. So it's such a
Speaker: positive, uplifting, supportive group. And then you and I moderate a lot of the conversations as well. We've never had to steer a conversation and you know, like away from a certain subject or anything like that, which I think is actually really cool because this is sometimes you'll find that right. so another thing that I said to her is I was like, you can kind of think of the the main page in our membership is being like a Facebook page. Like you'll have Esthetician Facebook groups. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like that, but it's far more positive and more uplifting and more supportive. And you know where the advice is coming from and it's being moderated by both of us. Yeah. Just to keep it in that place. Yeah, although we've never, like you said, we've never had to jump in and like steer the conversation, you know, from a negative place. It's just so, it's so powerful. It's so positive. It's so supportive. and like you said, beyond aesthetics, it's just attracted the aligned aesthetician. who believes in our mission, who has the same core values that we do, shares the same mindset. And so that's what makes it such a beautiful space of like, i I'm not even worried about it ever. And I think you as an esthetician in listening can relate to being on Facebook or in a Facebook group. And even partaking in or witnessing those negative conversations and that bullying that can happen in those groups. And it just can go so south so quickly. And yeah, I just, Beyond Aesthetics and the membership is just, it's such a special place. It's such an incredible, sacred space for all estheticians, you know, it doesn't matter what stage of the career that you're in. We've got senior estheticians in there very, know, been in the career for longer than you and I have. We've got brand new estheticians. We've got student estheticians. It's really, really cool. Yeah, really special. It is.
Speaker: Yeah. And we're really proud of it. And we're really proud of all of our members. and we're really grateful for this podcast that yeah has actually helped develop the membership because it really has another level of deeper service that you and I can, can show up in and be here for, for, for the esthetician who needs it.
Speaker: Yeah, it's true. And that's another thing I said. I was like, our po like we don't make money from the We do it because we love it. And this is our, December will be our three-year anniversary of when we recorded our first podcast. And we really are just here because we we truly love it and see the value and we get such great feedback. In fact, I think it was the week before last week that I was on the back end of Spotify reading some of those comments. And it really just reignited that we're doing the right thing and having the right conversations, even though they can seem scattered. we do that on purpose. but yeah And Jackie and as women, we're super multi-passionate women too. And so...
Speaker: and Just getting on the back end and seeing those comments and everybody who has left ratings and reviews and the, yeah, the whole thing is so cool. And we just love, we love the podcast and um it it is, it's like just a passion project because we know that estheticians need it.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. It comes from a place of you and I needing it. you know, earlier on in our career. And I need this now just as much as I did as a brand new esthetician too. You know, it's it's a very give and receive relationship, I'll call it. um We learn just as much as we we give. And so it's just really cool. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. So thank you for being here at Beyond Aesthetics.
Speaker: And since we're on the topic, we would love to invite you if you are listening to this and you have obviously you're in our community as a listener of the be Beyond Aesthetics podcast. We want to make sure that you know that you are always welcome and you have an open invitation to join the membership at any time. If you are in a spot in your career or in your practice where you're feeling like you do need a little bit of more support, or you do have some pain points that are very specific that you need help and guidance with, that is what the membership is for. And again, it's not just you and I, Jess, it's a whole panel um talented estheticians who jump right in. And, you know, I was in the, I was in the community this morning and I was going through um some recent posts in the Connection Lounge and There's posts in there of just like, hey, by the way, don't forget.
Speaker: and with like solid advice or some solid tips of just members like posting just positive like, hey, this helped me Let me share it with you to help you. And I was just like, that is just so cool.
Speaker: What we're here for. it is what we're here for. So you can always reach out to us. If you want to learn more about what the membership entails, what that cost looks like for you and what that commitment looks like for you, or you can visit sweetcheeksuniversity.com and all the information is there.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. There's always a link in the show notes too. Yeah. So there is there's always that link for you guys to just jump in there and get more information and to join us. And so this fall is really cool because we are very, very focused this fall and winter on women's health. And so the podcast that would have been released two weeks ago from, well, it's released...
Speaker: but the heck day is it today? It's the 28th. It is the 28th. actually haven't published it yet. I completely forgot. I came home from a camping trip early just to publish it. And then I forgot. i is So on the 28th though, by the time you're listening to this, we will, we had a a guest named Randy and she has been in the membership in the continuing education, teaching us all about women's cycles because we decided, i think back in like April or May, that we needed to really dive into the subject for estheticians, which yeah like one of our members, her name's Christine, she she kept calling it women's wellness. And i was like, yes. And there's many layers to that. And so right now in the membership, that continuing education is all about cycles. It's just all about the four phases of the cycle and what's really going on and
Speaker: you know, what's going on in the skin. So hopefully you would have listened to our last episode with Randy Godfrey. And so that is happening for, it was September. It's still going on for October. And then in November, it's going to be, I want to say, and we're not going to know this for sure until this other special guest gives us all of her information. But my understanding it will is it will be pretty nutrition focused. Yeah. And so then after that, we're going to dive into like actual perimenopause and menopause you
Speaker: how to support women in the skin going through those cycles too. So the reason why, and we did talk about this on the last episode, but the reason why we want to go that direction is because, you know, when I'm out working with estheticians, I'm getting asked these questions And I really just decided that it's because we are being more open about it as women. You know, Tiffany and I just turned 40 and all of our friends, I mean, every single friend that I have who is around my age, know, a little younger, a little older, we talk incredibly openly about what is going on with our hormones and our health and how that's affecting us and,
Speaker: I think it's beautiful that women are feeling empowered and comfortable enough with each other to have these conversations, but it really is a lot to navigate. And then I'm out working with estheticians and they're like, my clients are saying this and they're asking me these questions and I don't really know much about it. And I'm like, let's learn.
Speaker: Let's learn together. And, you know, I know a little bit, but like, I want to know a lot about it, especially because you and I are going through it also. And it's such a beautiful time in life. We're both like happier and more in our authenticity than we've ever been. And so, you know, it's also really special to be able to empower other women through it too, because I think that as a society, we've been freaking lied to about aging. Yeah.
Speaker: ah both of us hit like our, you know, later and we're like, I can't wait to turn 40. And we're like, this is great. Like, this is so good. And I think that that's such an important message to spread. And so we kind of felt like less, less,
Speaker: Let's get as much education and information on all of that and the membership as we possibly can, you know, and then do like mini podcast episodes. So even if you aren't in the membership, like that's where you're going to get the most information, like very, very in-depth information and courses on that. But we have tried to also bring it just into the community in general, because I think it's just...
Speaker: a phase that society is going through, like empowering women through this and then teaching the esthetician a little bit more about this so that you know how to, i think number one, emotionally and mentally support a woman through this and understand it and be there for them. But then also kind of know what's going on in the skin and how are we treating that moving forward. So that's what's going on in the membership right now for education. There's other classes like you know peptide, like very deep dive on peptides and vitamin C. And I have a facial massage in there. Tiff has dermaplane, you know, and elevating your dermaplane services. So continuing education is a big piece of our career. Honestly, number one it's it's so important. And so we do have all of that in the membership, but that's kind of what you can look forward to in the membership, at least through December, if not, like if that conversation ends up going through January, i wouldn't be surprised. No, because it's there. Like you said, there's so many layers to it. It's not just like a one that size fits all. It's not just like a one education fits all. There's just so much. And I love that for us too, as not only women, but as estheticians too. Cause I know for me, I'm having daily conversations with my clients in the treatment room about hormone health, about just being a woman in your 30s and 40s and what that looks like and what that feels like and how that is affecting their relationship relationship and their health and their physical symptoms. And I mean, just it's just it is a daily conversation and I love it so much. And You know, I don't think you and I would be as ah maybe perky about being 40 if we didn't have the education and the resources that we have had. And so all the more reason to learn even more about it and then bring the esthetician
Speaker: bring our listener in to those conversations too to help you support you in your own personal health and wellness journey, as well as your clients. So we're really, really, really excited about it. And we're really proud of it. And we're really grateful for our co-collaborators like Randy and our next special guest. And um because they are a wealth of knowledge and And, um, yeah, I mean, as an aesthetician, we know that it's just, it's so much more than skincare, right? Yes. We're treating the skin. Yes. We need to know how to treat the skin and when certain symptoms pop up in the skin and it is a whole emotional and physical and. I don't know, cellular, like in the body, it's a whole thing when we're treating our clients. And so to have as much knowledge and understanding around women's health, again, especially because we have been lied to as women and as a society for just probably generations, probably decades, probably like so long. i don't even know how long that goes back, but um I'm really excited about it.
Speaker: Milo break. Got a floof in the screen. The Velcro kitties come for her Velcro. and my And so that continuing education though, just to reiterate, if you're kind of unclear on what the membership entails, that is part of your membership. So the membership runs $47 a month and that continuing education is included in that. And so along with, again, the connection in the community, the the access to you and I, Um, the, all the other classes, you get instant access to our previous continuing education courses when you become a member. Um, so the, the value and the benefit kind of just keeps on giving and giving and giving when you do become a member.
Speaker: Yeah. Okay. Enough about that. Let's dive into today's topics. Um, we would love to talk about personal development and touch on that.
Speaker: You know, this is a conversation that you and I continuously circle back to because it's that important. If you've been listening to us for a while, you know that we've had this conversation before and we're going to have it again for a good reason, especially I just think this time of year. You know, it's fall. We're heading into that winter arc.
Speaker: season and all the more reason to kind of do like a little personal reset if needed and reassess where you're at and get really clear on where you're going.
Speaker: i agree. And I don't know if you guys are like Tiffany and myself, and we do talk about this all the time, but we become different people in different seasons. And It does translate to other people in different ways. So I guess what I mean by that is like during the summer, most of us are playing if you're a summer person, but I think even if you're not like the kids are out of school.
Speaker: lots of stuff going on with family, you're spending more time outside, you're playing, you know, and so like, as an entrepreneur, personally, I make my own schedule. And I do set myself up to, and so does Tiffany, because her kids are out of school, like we do kind of set ourselves up to not take a step back from work, but we kind of condense our work schedules, and we take more time off to play. And I mean, i haven't really been on social media. You haven't been on social media. So it's just, it's like this freedom and this play time and it's our favorite season and
Speaker: And it's really beautiful. And then the weather starts to shift and we shift back into very much a rhythm and entrepreneur mode and dreaming and growing and getting back into a lot of these daily habits. And that honestly, it carries us through until next summer. and it is like kind of taking off that summer, i don't know, wild girl, you know, fun hat that you and I both wear. And then kind of slowly putting on this other hat, if you will, or sometimes there's a couple different ones. And so what I have found is that I know most people can be like that in different ways. And so as I have been
Speaker: um So for eminence, September is our fiscal year end. So every September, I meet with the majority of the people that I work with, and we have these conversations. And it actually starts because at the beginning of September, I have to be reminded like, oh and there's business happening here and it's our the end of our fiscal year. And as I meet with a lot of owners, a lot of the reason why I started the conversation either at the end of August or kind of those first couple of weeks of September is because they kind of forget too. So I'm like, hey, we've been wearing kind of our summer fun hat and going through summer.
Speaker: And it's the end of our fiscal year. And, you know, by the way, you know, and so have business to attend. And by the way, there's business happening also. And so let's talk about it. And then let's talk about moving forward into the fiscal year.
Speaker: And so I do find that this is like a really common sort of a thing for people. And so the conversation that Tiffany and I often have is coming back to the basic habits that kind of make us tick. And...
Speaker: I have struggled with this for the first time in my life starting in July, which, you know, I'm a really, really good. So I do have ADHD and a lot of the way that I manage it while taking very little medication is rhythm.
Speaker: rhythm and routine. And I think everybody does thrive off of rhythm, just, but everyone has a different rhythm and that's cool. It's about finding the rhythm and those basic habits that are boring, that literally work. They literally do the trick. And so I started to notice this. I remember the first time reaching out to Tiffany being like, i feel so ungrounded. You know, I've gotten away from just these daily things because my energy is a little bit too dispersed and I need to rein that back in. So that started happening in July and it's kind of been a continual thing.
Speaker: And as an athlete, I have had this conversation with my coach a lot this past month. about the basics that actually get the job done. And they're very, very boring. They're very simple. They're very boring. But at the same time, they really work and they keep you in a great place. And I have also noticed that as I have started to really struggle with keeping that rhythm, I experience more anxiety. I experience more energy disbursement instead of
Speaker: The containment of energy in myself and like that level of self empowerment that I can tend to feel and the satisfaction from carrying out these boring tasks every single day that actually just make you so happy. So in the fitness world, it's funny because, and this really translates like in the fitness world, everybody wants a a magic answer for what's going to work. It's like, what's the the best diet for me or what's the pill or what's the peptide? And and those things are supplements. You know, though there are things like, is there a magic pill that you can take though? Honestly,
Speaker: no Because unless you have your foundations covered, those pills aren't going to do anything for you. You know, those magic pills or those magic equations won't do anything anyways. And so we talk a lot about um getting your steps in, ye getting sunlight, tracking your food, at even just loosely, like, let's make sure we know what we're eating. You know, let's, how many days could you make it to the gym? Like, are you lifting the weights and you know, where's your cardio at? Usually that's just, let's get some steps in.
Speaker: Yeah. we mean Let's move our body. Let's move the body. Yeah. That's it. Drink your water and drink your water. You're like a plant, you know, you got to have your sunlight, got to have your water. And so, um, it's really interesting though, like those boring things are where the results really come from. And so that also translates just to daily life too. And so as I was thinking yesterday when I was like, man, I really gotten out of the habit of just a simple morning group routine um,
Speaker: going to the gym in the morning, getting my steps in getting at least 30 minutes of sun, you know, ah every day. And that's why I don't feel as good. And I don't, I don't feel as good. I don't feel like myself as often.
Speaker: and so that's what we want to talk about is the basic boring things that are the most important and that work the best. And these things are going to be different for everybody. But I literally do think that Water. Truly.
Speaker: Truly. Water. Literally. Sunlight. Walking. Doesn't need to be anything crazy. Do you have a little bit of a morning routine?
Speaker: do you have five minutes that you can just think about the things that you're grateful for when you wake up in the morning, you know, and set the tone for the day? And then where are you at with your quadrants?
Speaker: quadrants Yeah. Can you tell us what the quadrants are? Yeah. so I mean, we're, we're a whole being. If we want to work on, say, our physical health, we also need to look at our personal health, our spiritual health. And then our professional health too, or say for you as an esthetician, if you have these professional goals, okay, that's wonderful. you If you look at your body as a whole or yourself or your soul as a whole and cut you into four different quadrants, we have our professional health, um our spiritual health, however that looks for you, our physical health, our physical body. And then we have our personal our personal development, our personal health. And so, um you know, do, They're all connected and they all support each other. And so when we continuously pour into say only one quadrant, like our professional development our or our professional health, then, and if we're not also addressing those other three quadrants, then things are gonna get off kilter. And um i don't I think we can only grow as far as we're willing to um pour into ourselves as whole, if that makes sense.
Speaker: Yeah, and I think it's about having the awareness of like where you're at. Even if it's not every day yeah on occasion, are you checking in with yourself? So like, you know, where it's my year end and Tiffany knows this about me, September does tend to be one of my, you know, busiest, there's just a lot that has to happen for me to wrap up your end and making sure that I've got like 70 businesses that I work with, make sure everyone's in a good place. Right. So there's a lot that goes on. And so when I was checking in with my coach last night, so I fill out a spreadsheet every Sunday night just to check in
Speaker: And i was like, you know, think I went to the gym once this week. You know, I did go camping for a night. And so there was like two days of hiking within there. But like I didn't, until I was camping, there was no sunlight. I didn't count any of my steps. Luckily, i had made my food already. And so i I was eating pretty well because at least that like mitigated the decision fatigue that I had. But, you know, Sunday rolls around and I am just feeling like...
Speaker: lame, you know, I'm like, wow, I don't feel good at all. like I like my my physical, my spiritual, like all of that, I don't feel like myself whatsoever because i was so overly focused in the work quadrant. And I have been really for most of the month, even if I like go on hike or whatever, i don't feel the same. I don't feel like myself because I've been overly in one quadrant. And sometimes you, you have to, have to it's my year end and everything. And so that's okay. At the same time,
Speaker: I could have gone on walks, probably would have been really helpful. You know, could have focused on just getting 20 30 minutes of sunlight and making sure i was drinking my water. Like if I would have checked those basic boxes that I typically would be checking, even though i was very focused on work and like, that's okay too. I actually would have felt a hundred times better. Yeah. And so it really, when I was checking in last night, brought that awareness, I was like, wow, I've been really, really heavy in this one quadrant. And I understand that that's fine.
Speaker: And it would have felt so much better.
Speaker: i would feel better or they were better. It would have supported me better. Had I even just taken, you know, 30 minutes or woken up 30 minutes earlier to, you know, still be doing those things. Yeah. Do you know one thing we forgot to add to the basic list though is sleep.
Speaker: Oh my gosh. Yes. That is another, another foundation that's boring, you know, but that is so, so, so important is your sleep and your sleep quality and how much sleep you're getting every single night. And not just like running on four or five hours of sleep consecutively, and then banking eight hours come the weekend or whenever your days off are of like truly prioritizing that sleep health. That's something that I've really been prioritizing the last couple months.
Speaker: And holy cow, it makes such a difference. Like my my brain fog and my cognitive health is kind of night and day. and And it really is all the things, definitely all of those boring basic things. And I know so much of it is sleep because I ran on so little sleep for so long.
Speaker: um The sleep conversation is real and it's such an ongoing thing for me. I'm so guilty of getting very little sleep during the week and then I can sleep like 10 or 11 hours on a Saturday and Sunday I'm the weeks where I'm better at getting sleep is a significant difference, which I also, thought I was reading something about that yesterday, but I think that's another lie that we have been told is like, one, it's such a millennial issue. Yeah. yeah but like his Sleep is a waste of time basically is. And that is exactly what I was reading yesterday is that millennials have been taught and that rest in general is a waste of time. And so a lot of us are, As we're healing emotionally and healing our nervous system, we're also trying to teach ourselves to sleep.
Speaker: more. There's so much your body does while you're sleeping. That is so important. Um, including like detoxing your freaking brain juices. Weren't you the one telling me about that?
Speaker: No. i Oh my gosh. Someone was talking to me about that. And I was like, no freaking way. No wonder we have this wild brain fog all the time. We're not allowing our brain to heal our nervous system to heal.
Speaker: And, you know, allowing those to that detoxification to happen. That's what it is, is a detoxification and a rejuvenation while we sleep. And I mean, no wonder all of us are running around with brain fog. We're running on too little sleep and we're freaking pumping our system full of stimulants and caffeine all day long.
Speaker: Like no freaking wonder my brain doesn't work when I operate like that. And I can't even spit out a sentence. Like, am I surprised? No. And I, and I truly, I've always been one that does require a lot of sleep and then having kids and having babies and being sleep deprived and then being a millennial and just kind of of the mindset like, you can sleep when you're dead. That's really how I like grew up with that, like instilled in me where you can rest or sleep when you're dead. and that, I mean, i am healing that and i love sleeping. And now that I am really prioritizing at least seven hours of sleep a night, if not closer to eight, it is just life-giving, it's life-changing. And I know I'm on a season in my life where I can, you know, if you have little kids or babies, that's not where you're at and that's okay, you will sleep again. And just know that when you, you like you are the authority of your life, you, are in charge.
Speaker: So when you do get past like that season of your kids are sleeping and they're sleeping through the night and they're in their own bed, you get to choose how long you get to sleep. Like that is up to you. There are outside factors, but again, like you're in charge of your own life and you are the authority of your life. And so there are there may be things that you have to let go of or routines and rhythms that you need to adjust to support these very boring, basic habits to help support a very fulfilled and life and beautiful life.
Speaker: You know, another one that I would add is obviously screen time. And I will never stop talking about this. I don't care if you guys are tired of it. I'm never going to stop talking about it. But I think that one of the easiest things, like a really, really simple habit is to not be on your phone in bed at night.
Speaker: Yeah. Oh, yeah. And to not check your phone immediately when you wake up. So you kind of have to set those parameters for yourself. Like my phone is not usually in my bedroom. It's usually in my bathroom or it's right outside of my bedroom. Yeah. And I don't take that to bed with me. I turn on my sound machine. I set my alarm and then it's in a different room. In fact, I do have a separate alarm clock when I really need to like...
Speaker: make my phone disappear. oh Yeah. Like far away. And, and I actually have loved that. And I started doing that in January and it's been really, really helpful to have a separate alarm clock. And, um, I've never brought my phone to bed with me, but I know that that is a very, very common thing to do. And it's not good for you. It's messing up your circadian rhythm. You're looking at that blue light, you're taking in way too much information. So your brain is on overload, your nervous system is on overload, and then you're waking up and doing the same thing. um
Speaker: And so I think the the easiest, most basic habit again is like, don't go to bed with your phone and don't check it when you wake up until you've done some other things for yourself.
Speaker: Yeah, like complete your morning routine. Or I like to have a parent or like a boundary of like the first hour I'm awake, I stay off of my phone. And i leave it on do not disturb. i don't check my email, I don't get on social media. And that really does set such a positive tone for my day. Because like you said, that information, we just get flooded with information. flooded it's unnecessary and nothing's an emergency. And if somebody does need to contact you, you know, they can through your do not disturb. That is an emergency. that It'll come through, right? If they're on your like your favorite list or whatever. So you can set whatever boundary or parameter that works for you.
Speaker: But I highly agree of like, don't take your phone to bed with you. Don't sit there and lay on in your bed and just scroll on your phone as you fall asleep. And then it's not necessary to check your phone first thing in the morning. I actually think I'm going to invest in alarm clock for my room. I've seen those very, I don't know they're called, but I've seen those very pretty like light ones that wake you up with the light. Do you have one?
Speaker: Oh yeah. Ooh. Yes. I've been seeing those. I'm going to get one. Well, not only that, but they wake you up with it the, they're not jarring alarms. Like the light slowly comes on and it just is a very soothing way to wake up, which I think is actually very, very important. Don't trigger your nervous system with your alarm clock. Your body needs to wake up gradually. And so that's what those alarm clocks are all about. And there's so many different options on Amazon for those types of alarm clocks. And I think that they're far better for your nervous system and your circadian rhythm than your phone alarm. Yeah, because I hate my alarm on my phone. I mean, of course I do. It's and I never want it to go off. I never want to get out of bed. And it is jarring. And it is like, oh, no.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. So sleep hygiene is real. and i do have an iPad in bed, but the only thing that's on my iPad is my Kindle and YouTube. And I listen to YouTube as I fall asleep because it gives my brain something to listen to. So I'm not like spinning in my head. and I know that a lot of people are like that. Like they'll turn on a TV show so that they can listen to something. Or like i listen to usually a spiritual conversation while I'm sleeping or to just like put me to sleep.
Speaker: faster. yeah So, I mean, I think that there's things like that, that you can do, but I think like reading is such a good idea. Reading puts most of us to sleep. Yeah. but Yeah. You know, if you want to like lay in bed and read or whatever, but find a way to get off of your phone. That's all we're saying. That's all we're saying. All that we're saying, especially social media, drink your water, huh get some sunlight and walk go on a walk and a great like if going the thought of going on a walk let's stop here for a second like overwhelms you of like okay i need 10 000 steps a day and i need to go three miles and du- itudda out like break it down like if the i like try to do 10 minute walk after each meal like that is so doable go walk around the block of like wherever your suite is and at your treatment room like block off 15 minutes to walk
Speaker: like a couple times in your day, like that's what we mean about getting some movement. And it doesn't have to be like this big time block in your schedule where you need to do X amount of steps or miles, like just move your body consistently throughout the day.
Speaker: and if you have to break it up and put it in little time blocks throughout the day, that's fine. Just as long as you're moving your body. Yeah, my coach recommends anywhere between 8 and 10,000. So 8,000 to 10,000 steps. So, and that's usually what I do for myself as well is I set kind of like a...
Speaker: a window of steps. Like right now it's anywhere between 10 and 13,000. So if I can get 13, like that's super, super cool. Like that's great. That probably means I went on a long walk and like had time to do that. Um, but you know, if it's a shorter walk, cause I just need to make like the 10,000 or whatever, like that's totally cool too. And so every coach and every,
Speaker: everything that I see when it comes to steps, like the general recommendation is actually a window of eight to 10. And if you need to lower that because you're getting 2000, that's yeah yeah And work your way up. Yeah. And that's another thing that I was thinking about when we were talking about this episode this morning is like, if you are just starting out and 10,000 steps seems so daunting, can you just start at like, start at five? Yeah.
Speaker: Yes. Get five and get that. self-satisfaction and dopamine with 5,000 steps. And then you can, you know, grow from there if you would like to. And that's really how I feel about the gym. Like you don't need to go to the gym six days per week. The less I go to the gym, the better I look and feel.
Speaker: yeah i don't know if you guys understand that, but like going to the gym six days a week is actually not the answer for the majority of people. My goal is four days per week as a competitive bodybuilder.
Speaker: four days per week to lift weights and either do some incline walking or maybe a quick hit session after that's it. And I'm in never in the gym for more than an hour and 20 minutes. Yeah.
Speaker: Four times per week as a competitive athlete. So you really don't have to go to the gym six days per week. Um, Again, i would say if you're, if you're wanting to get into the gym, set a smaller goal.
Speaker: Well, yeah, like goal stack, because it's just, it's the same of like, okay, you wanting to implement a morning routine and you've been waking up at 7am consistently, but you want to start waking up at 5am. You're going to kind of set yourself up for failure from going from seven to five and going getting up two hours earlier than you're used to. You might be able to do it for a few days or even a week or two, and then you're just going to be like, nope So we definitely recommend gradually like goal stacking your way into your ultimate goal. And like you said, like getting that dopamine of achieving those small goals and those small achievable steps and then building on them because that's going to create, like, think about it as a long game. You're playing a long game here. We're not just like in it for the short game. We're not in it for that short-term success. We want long-term success. We want this to become a lifestyle for you, not just like an achievement.
Speaker: right? Literally. Yeah. so set yourself up for success. And while we're on the topic of like getting up earlier, if you're going to start getting up earlier, then it means you do need to go to bed earlier because we don't want to impede on your sleep health. And we want to make sure that you're getting enough sleep. So like we recommend starting like 15 minutes earlier. Okay. So if you're used to getting up at seven, try getting up at six 45 and then try going to bed 15 minutes earlier to account for that extra sleep on both ends. Because it really is going to support you and it really is going to matter in your long game success.
Speaker: 100%. I also want to touch on identifying your why behind implementing these habits. That's really the core of it of why do you want better sleep?
Speaker: Why do you want a morning routine? Like what is it behind those rituals or routines or a new rhythm that you want to implement? And how is it going to help support you in your best, highest version of yourself? What is the why behind it?
Speaker: Is it so like, do you want to get up earlier so that you have a more peaceful morning and you have time to maybe read or pray or journal? Is it because you want to work out in the morning? Is it because you just want some alone time before the rest of your house wakes up? Like, what is it Identify that first and foremost, and then let that help fuel you because when you can identify that why behind these very boring, basic personal development, basics, habits, it will help you through the
Speaker: It'll help you stay locked in to to why you're doing it in the first place. It'll help you be like, okay, when your alarm goes off in the morning and you're like, oh man, I don't want to get up. I don't want to get up. But then it pops into your head like, oh yeah, this is why. That's that fuel that's going to energize you and drive you to stay committed to it.
Speaker: What is your why? For getting eat up early. Mm-hmm. My why is my key and my alone time. i love having just some like, it's my own like personal grounding time before my house gets up and it goes crazy.
Speaker: I thrive on a alone time and I feel like i don't have a ton of it as much as I probably need. I'm just like, that's my design of like, I love to be alone and that's how I refuel my own cup. And so even having an extra 30, 40 minutes in the morning to um do, to like get ready, do my skincare and my makeup, to read um and to pray.
Speaker: Those are, and and it really is just ah to fill my own cup and like center myself and ground myself before the rest of the house wakes up and before like madness happens. Because it does, no matter what, it it does. And you know maybe my kid will wake up in a bad mood or we run late or there's outside forces that it just turns into a crazy morning. Who knows? The dog throws up. Who knows? Who knows? The car won't start. like Who knows what the day is going to throw at you? But when I have that time to myself, I'm like, I have the foundation to be able to like carry it, if that makes sense, versus ah like I always regret, I always regret not getting out of bed. When I sleep that extra 30, 45 minutes and then I get up and then I just feel disheveled and I just feel like we're all late and I kind of feel rushed and then that energy transfers to my kids and the rest of my house and my husband and then they're feeling my energy because I am mad at myself that I didn't get out of bed.
Speaker: Always regret it. I know. i know. feel so good in the moment and it's never worth it. Yeah. I couldn't agree. What is your why? Well, mine is the same. It's not because I have kids, but it's because a lot of it is how my brain functions. but I really have to have like a rhythm to be my best self. I really love more than anything, like where I thrive is going to bed with satisfaction and waking up with determination. And it's one of my favorite quotes. And it is very true for me that I feel my best and I function my best when I've had minimum like 15 minutes before I get into my day what
Speaker: drink my water, have my coffee. That's when my cats want the most attention. We literally have started sitting on the floor with each other in the morning while I drink coffee. And we have this like pet session.
Speaker: And then we go into sunroom and I pray, like you said, i write in a gratitude journal and I read a devotional and um it literally just sets me up for the rest of my day. and That's also where I gain inspiration, you know, and it's, I don't know where. So here's a really good example is when last week we recorded one of our extra podcast episodes and we didn't even talk about it until maybe 20 minutes before we recorded. And we were both like, oh, you know, here's a couple of things we could talk about. And that's not normal for us. Usually we're very inspired and we have a trajectory and most of what we do like comes from our higher selves or from God because we pray over this so much. But when we're out of rhythm, I've noticed, I'm like, here's a list of what would make sense.
Speaker: It's not so much like, oh, here's what we need to talk about this morning because I prayed and, you know, had a morning routine and gave myself that time, i was like, here's what we need to talk about today. Like, here's how this is going to go. Here's, you know, maybe what people need to hear because this is what I feel inspired to talk about. So I also think that there's such a ah spiritual purpose for doing that and having just a little bit of that alone time and having that rhythm, it just allows a deeper connection And that's where we tend to get our best ideas. I think it's like meditating. It's the same sort of a thing. Like when you can be quiet and you can be connected, then you can receive more guidance and more inspiration and just have a little bit more clarity. So that is a lot of my reasoning too, is creating that space that I need in my businesses. I need that inspiration. i need direction. I need help. I need support.
Speaker: Um, and that's where i get it. So I think there's a few different layers and it is so true that when I get out of that habit, those little habits that don't even take very long, you know, cause I needed to sleep or whatever. um it just, it does, it throws everything off. I'm less inspired. I'm less motivated. Things are just a little bit more chaotic. And then the whole day goes by and I'm like, oh, I don't feel satisfied.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. i wholeheartedly agree. You know, it really is ah kind of about operating in alignment with your higher self or your highest self. Yeah. and setting yourself up for the most success to do that, you know, however that looks for you. And I know that we can all agree how that, how good that feels when we are working in alignment with our highest self and our highest purpose and our calling and and allowing ourselves to receive that allowing the space for ourselves to receive, I guess, when we're constantly moving and busy and consumed, whether it's from what we're allowing in fact through our phone or outside forces or from family or obligations or our business or clients or all those things. There's no room, there's literally no energetic room to receive anything from source, right? really is our guidance system really think, the core of what helps us achieve what we're really trying to, if that makes sense. We all have big dreams and we all have big goals and we all want to get there. And we have to allow the space for that guidance to come in, which is exactly what you're saying, right? Oh, yeah.
Speaker: So i think it's really beautiful. I think it's really necessary for us on a physical level, for us on a spiritual level, for us to align with our professional and personal goals and and physical goals. I mean, those those matter too. I also think it's really important before we move on um to identify the pain points that stand in your way feeling achieving these basics, right? So you do want to identify your why, why does it matter to you? Why is it important to you? Why do you want to implement it? And then also let's just identify certain pain points that can be blockers for achieving the basics. Right. So, um, like for me, sir, I'll just share one little example for me over the summer. My schedule got a little bit hairy as it does, because like you said, it's like
Speaker: It's kind of like wild girl, like kind of routine goes out the window. i just want to play. I love that. And then trying to re-implement come fall or come August, I was trying to like work on my fall schedule and routine. And I was having a really hard time fitting in my gym time.
Speaker: because my work schedule was like overlapping with my gym time. And then it occurred to me of like, well, I make my own schedule and i schedule my clients. and why am I surprised when the week comes up and i have scheduled clients time into my gym time? Like I'm doing this. What what the heck? And why am I continuing to do this? Like now we're on like month three of this. And it's like even it it was just like a 30 minute overlap, but I i didn't have the time to get my steps in and get my lift in on my gym days. And I was like so annoyed by it. And then I was like, well, I'm in charge of this. So let's just readjust the schedule of where I'm putting my clients and very simply move a few things around. Like it was a pain point that i had that I was annoyed with that I didn't identify. And then once I identified it, I was like, well, this is an easy fix. Like this might not fix it this week or next week, but come that third week, i I have the authority to like move things around. So that's just a very simple pain point that I identified that has fixed everything for me. And now I can look at the rest of the schedule for the year.
Speaker: i have it laid out. I have those very important personal things on my schedule that I have a boundary around, like my gym days, right? And, um, and then i just, it's, it's there. It's an appointment with myself. I, it matters to me. i know the why behind it and i am letting that fuel my determination to keep it.
Speaker: i love that. Yeah. True. Hey, is there anything else you would like to talk about when it comes to the basics of personal development that our listener should and need to hear?
Speaker: Yes. As an esthetician, we are pouring ourselves into our clients in so many different ways. And so that was a lot of how this conversation started in Beyond Aesthetics. We've been talking about this for years. And that's why is because we always want to remind you that you can't pour from an empty cup and self-care isn't selfish and And it's always really important to be reminded of that. And so, you know, getting those daily boring, but so important things in it does keep your cup full so that you can be of better service to your Yeah. Yeah. Well, and again, it comes back to that long game. Like we want you in this career for the long haul. We want you to love your career for the long haul. We don't want you to feel that burnout. We don't want you to get to a point where you're so burnout that you just want to like give it all away or throw it all away. and we've seen it happen and we've experienced it multiple times. And so know that we're speaking from experience. We're speaking from the heart when we say that burnout is real it's
Speaker: Like you said, you cannot pour from an empty cup. You can for a while. You really can for a while and it will not last forever. And you will get to a point where that cup is so empty that you, it may take years of repair and healing. And we don't want that for you because we love you too much and you're too talented and your, your, um, and your service and your personal authentic expertise is so needed and valued in this world and all the more reason to take care of yourself and to master those basics. Yes, definitely. Yeah. Good point.
Speaker: Thank you for including that. Okay. Now really excited for this conversation. You and I have had it. I don't think it's going to surprise you, but and i want to talk to you about vitamin c and hyperpigmentation. So with Eminence, we just released ah our new vitamin C serum and eye cream. I call it vitamin C plus. It's also called vitamin C ultra and it's, um,
Speaker: 3-O-ethyl ascorbic acid. And so it's just been such a huge launch for us. It's such a huge conversation. And in July, we did a vitamin C course. That was July. Yeah. So July, we did a whole vitamin C course that was wonderful. um You guys are being lied to. Yeah.
Speaker: You guys are going to lie to you about vitamin C and brightening and hyperpigmentation. And I've known this for a while, but I haven't exactly known how to voice it or describe it until recently. But I think this is so important because going into fall, where so in fall and winter, it tends to be when estheticians start working on hyperpigmentation with their clients, which you should. That's like the pain point that we can be solving for people is the summer sun damage and preparing the skin for winter and hyperpigmentation is a huge piece of that.
Speaker: So with hyperpigmentation, I think what is really important for us to remember is that it is ah very much like an iceberg. So what you see on the surface of the skin is nothing compared to what's actually going on within the skin. Your skin is this crazy little pigment factory. And when it comes to hyperpigmentation on any level, we could be talking about hormones, post-inflammatory, um obviously UV damage and sun damage.
Speaker: The system within the skin, the mechanisms within the skin are relatively similar despite how the hyperpigmentation is being caused. That's a very general statement and I'm not going to go into details about that, but let's just say that that's generally the case.
Speaker: Well, your skin is going through this pigment factory. And so that means that when it comes to targeting pigment, there are certain mechanisms that a product or an ingredient would need to be touching on in order to be targeting the full spectrum.
Speaker: Okay. Okay. So what does that look like? Number one, it looks like anti-inflammatories. Inflammation is the kicker for the whole disaster.
Speaker: Oh, it's so true. Oh my gosh. Inflammation is the freaking kicker for all of it, which is so annoying because we're all freaking inflamed. Like it is really just, we're, we're little walking balls of nervous system, garbage andmation like I swear on my life. And so inflammation really is the the kicker that actually starts this pigment factory, right The other things that you would need are tyrosinase inhibitors, melanin suppressants, and brighteners. So something that is actually going to help to break up the appearance of pigment on the surface of the skin.
Speaker: okay In addition to that, you got to have some sunscreen. yeah You got to have some sunscreen. So that's not what I'm talking about right now, but I just have to put that out there too. So absolutely I'm really talking about when it comes to Products that are intended to treat hyperpigmentation. There's four things. There's four mechanisms that must be happening within that product. So again, number one, that's anti-inflammatories.
Speaker: same It's tyrosinase inhibitors. It's melanin suppressants. And brighteners. things like lactic acid, for instance, that are going to break up the appearance of pigment on the surface to disperse it while we're also targeting the pigment factory and keeping that under control. Okay, so let's go back to number one, anti-inflammatories. So what would that look like in a product?
Speaker: um Anti-inflammatories... There's a million different ones. It's usually going to be some sort of an herbal blend with Eminence. like every So you guys, every Eminence product is anti-inflammatory. I'm just going to tell you that now. It's all anti-inflammatory. It's all anti-aging because it's loaded with antioxidants, right? yeah You have to look at the, you know, what I was thinking about this morning is like, you guys have got to learn to understand ingredients better. Yeah.
Speaker: Because it's really easy for to be sold. Well, yeah, because the marketing is so good. Marketing is so good. It's good. It's good with it.
Speaker: Companies are spend so much money on marketing because that's really what carries the sale of the product. And when an esthetician just buys into certain marketing and then turns around and doesn't really know the ingredients behind it or the why behind it, or if that marketing is even accurate, right? Or if it's just marketing. Yeah.
Speaker: and Yeah. So you have to be able to read ingredient labels and understand what these ingredients are. Luckily we do have Google, we have AI, we had like, you want to know your resources and hopefully you have a rep like me is like incredibly honest with my education.
Speaker: of my spa partners know, like i am probably one of the most honest reps you're ever going to work with. And I'm just going to really tell you how it is, despite how something is being talked about or marketed, going rein you in and give you Some deeper information to help you understand, you know, not to search necessarily the truth, but it's like, yes. And yeah there's a little bit more happening here. So anti-inflammatories, you know, i only understand eminence language with anti-inflammatories. So yeah.
Speaker: so If I were you, what I would do is get on Google or get on, you know, quad or chat GPT and get a list of the most popular anti-inflammatory skincare ingredients.
Speaker: Make a list, print it out, put it in a binder, put it in a folder so that you know what that looks like. That's a great idea. You know, so that you really know what you're looking for. The next thing that I would ask your AI is to give you a list of the most common popular tyrosinase inhibitors. yeah The tyrosinase, would just in the most simple terms describe that as this is the second kicker, like the inflammation turns on that particular enzyme that then affects the melanin production. So it's just like a little, that's why I call it a factory. There's this that triggers this, that triggers this, that pushes the melanin up to the surface of the skin.
Speaker: right Okay, so I would definitely get a list of what that looks like in the industry. That's so that you can better read labels. Next would be melanin suppressants.
Speaker: Okay, so get a list of what that's going to look like.
Speaker: And I will add to that Once you have those lists, then... See if those um certain ingredients align with your values as an esthetician, with your philosophies as an esthetician.
Speaker: Right? We do want to match what we what is in the ingredient with our certain values and philosophies as an esthetician. And if they're misaligned, then that's very telling on if you should carry or use that product for your clients or not.
Speaker: Yeah. Definitely. okay Definitely. So then we're going want actual brighteners. Okay. So when I say actual brighteners, I'm actually talking about exfoliation on the surface of the skin, because again, you have to have something in a product for pigment that breaks up and disperses the look of the pig, like the pigment itself.
Speaker: There's a process like say with lactic acid that it breaks it up and it starts to disperse it to get rid of it. It like makes it not so concentrated essentially. So that as you're working on the pigment factory and as you're exfoliating, we can get rid of it. Okay. So when you're looking at products for hyperpigmentation, you've got to learn to read the label so that you know what's happening within that product.
Speaker: And is you know is this ah the full spectrum? Can I get away with just this product? Or do i need something to support this product to make sure that it's full spectrum? So here's my issue with vitamin C. When I ask estheticians, what is the why behind vitamin C? What does vitamin C do? The first thing they say is brightens.
Speaker: you Because that's what the marketing says. know. And you're being lied to. So how I have described this is just like, it's such an indirect
Speaker: effect on hyperpigmentation or it's just one piece of the puzzle. Yeah. Because if you look at all the different forms of vitamin C, they suppress melanogenesis. They're melanin suppressants.
Speaker: Okay. That's one thing. That's one thing. or You need four mechanisms to fully target brightening. So there are other seasoned estheticians who will back me up on this. Mandy's one of them. She's actually one of the first people who...
Speaker: I had this conversation with when I was like, I'm just feeling like vitamin c doesn't actually help with pigment. You know, like I had watched a couple of doctors talk about it and that's when I was like, you know, I think that we are being lied to.
Speaker: and so I really started looking into it and realizing that most vitamin C is like just one piece of the puzzle. So a good clinical vitamin C serum is supportive to hyperpigmentation in the sense that it's very,
Speaker: preventative. Yes. And it can control the production of pigment.
Speaker: Does it actually bright and current pigment?
Speaker: Sort of in a way sort of in a way, if you can couple it with other things, right? So if it's paired with another product that is anti-inflammatory has the tyrosinase inhibitor And a brightener that exfoliates, then yes.
Speaker: You're going to see such better, such faster results. Okay. Because then it's full spectrum.
Speaker: So vitamin obviously is important. It's very supportive. We love vitamin C and we love, we need vitamin C on the skin. Yep. And if we're using vitamin C to treat hyperpigmentation skin, then without those other factors, then we're actually not treating hyperpigmentation. You're not going to get the results that you think you're going to get. I
Speaker: i love this so much. also that so important yeah like You want to pay attention to the other ingredients that are in there. so what's really cool about our new one is that it's paired with glutathione.
Speaker: which by the way, i learned actually restores and recycles vitamin C. And so it's your body's master antioxidant, but it also supports and recycles and restores vitamin C in the skin, which is really important because your skin and your body don't like to hold onto vitamin C. So the glutathione and vitamin c really compliment each other that way. And glutathione also suppresses melanogenesis.
Speaker: And then cloudberry seed also suppresses melanogenesis. So in the new vitamin C, what I love about it is that we have three mechanisms for suppressing melanin production.
Speaker: And then we also have mulberry, which is a tyrosinase inhibitor. so now we actually have lots of melanin suppression and we have a tyrosinase inhibitor and it's eminence. And because of the way it's made, it's anti-inflammatory.
Speaker: Plus it is, um you know, if you guys don't know already, 3-O-ethyl ascorbic acid is a water and oil soluble. And usually when you're working with the lipid soluble vitamin C, which again is 3-O-EAA or tetrahexadecyl ascorbate. They do tend to be much more anti-inflammatory than a typical, you know, um sodium ascorbyl phosphate or L-ascorbic acid or something. And so this new one is also anti-inflammatory. Does it necessarily brighten on the surface of the skin? It's going to take a long time.
Speaker: for you to notice any of that. If you really want to see those amazing, like deeper results with specific hyperpigmentation, like no matter what with vitamin c your complexion is going to have a more clarified, bright, healthy look to it. But when it specifically comes to hyperpigmentation, you're going to need to pair that with something else.
Speaker: So how would you best recommend our esthetician has that conversation with their client when it comes to home care and maybe even a treatment room? You know, I think number one, when it comes to hyperpigmentation in general, you really want to have a conversation with your clients about consistency.
Speaker: Okay. Because when it comes to controlling the pigment factory within the skin, that is a daily process. We all know that clients, when it comes to pigment, they want the one product and it's going to get rid of the pigment in a month. That simply isn't how it works. And I liken that to when we go get a laser treatment for pigment and it might take the pigment away after the first or second time, but a client will always notice that within months, to like eight months, that pigment starts to come back. And that is because pigment happens on a genetic level. It's a lot of DNA damage. Once you've done enough damage to the cell or these cells are receiving that signal often enough, let's say through tanning beds, then your cells now replicate with the melanin creation in them. And so what you have to do is be very, very consistent in getting that process under control while you're also pairing it with lighteners and brighteners. So
Speaker: the best service that you can do for your clients is to educate them in a really simple way. That's why I like to use the iceberg analogy yeah and let them know that there is a component of DNA damage. And so we really want to be consistent with the home care in order to get the best results. And then in the treatment room, I love pairing that up with peels, especially this time of season. Like I love a good 30 minute express peel treatment or even a 60 minute to 90 minute one that a client is doing on a very regular basis. And the other thing with pigment too, when when that's like really your thing with somebody, don't let them book
Speaker: Any more than 28 days over that cycle. So basically, i would suggest a treatment every two to three weeks, if not once a week, you could do once a week, twice a week, or once every three weeks, because if you keep going past that 28 day cell turnover cycle, you're just going to start back over.
Speaker: m I love that. Yeah. So if you really want to treat pigment, it's the conversation about consistency, educate them on what's happening so that they can commit to that. and they understand why they're committed to that. And then be sure that you're not booking, like stop with the four to six weeks when it comes to pigment, you've got to see them more often than four weeks.
Speaker: Okay. Go over that 28 day. i would actually prefer closer to 21 just in case. Mm, such a good reminder, you know? um And then I think we can get to a point with people where maybe they don't need to be on multiple things. Yeah.
Speaker: You know, after about a year, maybe you can pull a couple of those products, but keep them on a good serum that's blended with all four of those things and make sure they have some good sunscreen, right? And then you you're probably gonna be good from there. The other thing that I have suggested is before and afters.
Speaker: yeah Because it's so easy for a client to not see the progress. And so if you can take some good progress photos, then it keeps them engaged in this process.
Speaker: Love it. So I think as estheticians, this is the one topic that I hate like as an esthetician, I hate treating pigment for this reason. It's really hard for people to commit to it. It's a process. There's usually, ah so there's like three products that I recommend being in a routine. i don't, I don't know that one is going to be enough. It's kind of like a spectrum because you've got to have a couple good serums and You know, one to two great serums usually, um or like a serum and an exfoliant, and then you must have a good SPF. And the crazy thing with pigment is I'm like, I don't know, the more the better. If every single product could happen to be... for hyperpigmentation, then you're probably going to see results a lot faster. um And so there's just those nuances, but I think that our clients, they can get really bored of this whole thing, just kind of throw in the towel.
Speaker: And it is the one thing that tends to take the longest to treat, right? And so we can lose that engagement with them. So it's not any esthetician's favorite thing to treat in and the skin. However, it's very doable. i think we don't have enough education out there helping us personally. yeah And I learned this a really long time ago because our, so Eminence's Bright Skin collection, it was made by somebody who has melasma, very, very bad melasma. And so she was, and she also does a lot of, um
Speaker: don't know what the word, but she's like a formulator or whatever. So she's got the same background. And so she was the one and I worked for her for a long time. And so she was the one that was like, you gotta have, you know, this, this, this, this you know, in, in a formulation in order to actually be able to target it. Like you think you're targeting it. You can't just have like one to two of these things, it really has to be a full spectrum to get the job done. and I'm so grateful for that because it really did change how I educate, how I approach pigment,
Speaker: Um, now that I'm 40, like I actually have a new pigment spot on my cheek, but my pigment is really starting to pop up on my shoulders more, my decollete, my face. And so I have a lot of empathy now that I'm like, oh my gosh, it actually does get worse and worse with the time. Even if you've been using really good products, if you guys don't know this in this like biological or chronological aging process, where we have certain things that happen in the skin during certain decades, um, Your hyperpigmentation from like your tanning bed years as a teenager, a lot of that starts to pop up in your forties.
Speaker: That's also, by the way, when you start losing your eyesight the most, like there's all these things that we're learning, right? But you know, in skincare, it's so funny because that is such an interesting experience. You would think that, Hey, I've been using vitamin C for ever. You know, I, I use brightening products like here and there and I wear a good sunscreen. Like you would think, yeah you know, but no, I actually have new spots of pigment showing up. I just noticed it the other day and I was like, huh.
Speaker: ah Thank you. fun Tanning industry. Yeah. yeah yeah So that's just my thing. I think that with all subjects, we need a little bit more education, but I think hyperpigmentation is really tricky. And so I really want people going into,
Speaker: ah situate these situations with their skincare companies and with their clients having an actual understanding of the anatomy and physiology of pigmentation. the actual ingredients that treat it and the formulations and then how to approach it with their clients.
Speaker: And remembering that while vitamin C is just so marketed as a brightening product, there's usually more to that conversation. Like, yes, with the one that we just came out with, it is touching on more key points with pigment. And that's really exciting. But as a general statement to be like, oh, vitamin C is brightening. I'm like, well, yes and no. Like, I don't want to say no, it's not. but it's kind of indirect. It's not probably what you think it is. It's one piece of the puzzle.
Speaker: I like that. Vitamin C is one piece of the puzzle and it's an indirect way to brighten the skin, I guess. Yeah. I don't even know how else to, to describe it other than just saying that, right? Cause it's just one help.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. its I don't think it's what you think it is. Yeah. I love this conversation so much. I think it was very needed, especially i just feel well, partially because of the new launch with Eminence. So we're very vitamin C focused right now anyways, but at the same time, i think the industry as a whole is very vitamin C focused right now too And, um, which is wonderful. And there's more to the conversation.
Speaker: way more to the conversation. and you know, this vitamin C is the most foundational. when it comes to age correction and age prevention and overall cellular health, um, collagen synthesis, it's great for capillaries. It enhances your SPFs and it enhances, or I guess like helps you to build up a little bit more resilience when it comes to UV damage. So it's completely foundational in skincare. I am always using at least two different vitamin C's, um
Speaker: and So it is very, very foundational. And I think because it's foundational, we want to go into it armed and educated. and when it comes to hyperpigmentation and brightening, making sure that you're
Speaker: knowledgeable about the real ins and outs of what that looks like in the skin absolutely because we want to be obviously we want to be treating our skin and our clients the best way we know how and knowledge is power and we don't know what we don't know and so when we do learn more then we can serve of our clients even better right And we do want our clients to, we do want to help treat their hyperpigmentation and we do want to help brighten their skin. And I mean, that is our goal. and so many people struggle with hyperpigmentation. And so it is a very real, ah pain point for just people in general. And so again, when knowledge is power, when we do understand things and at a better level, Then we can show up in deeper service. So I love it. I love this conversation.
Speaker: Yeah. So get comfortable with ingredients and how they, how they really work when it comes to hyperpigmentation, make some lists for yourself. create some resources so that you can kind of cross check that information when you have a product or an ingredient talking about hyperpigmentation so that you can understand that ingredient and its actual mechanism and the role it is going to play in that equation. And I think that's the best thing any esthetician could do for themselves. Absolutely. 100%. Thank you. Thank
Speaker: thank you my gosh, you are so welcome. You know, the only other thing that I would add to that is that retinol actually is super helpful for hyperpigmentation too. So that's because I think I kept mentioning lactic acid, but that's not the only one. It's like lactic, mandelic, ah retinol, you know, those are all super, super important.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely. When it comes to the surface of the skin, I guess I should say. Yeah. Thank you. That was cool. Is there anything else you'd like to add?
Speaker: No, but if I'm wrong, tell me you are listening to this and you're like, oh, wait a second. You're maybe I'm missing something. Tell me I'm one of the most open educators you'll ever meet. i I know that I don't know everything and I love to learn more because that's what I do for a living. And so if you know, if there's like a another piece of information that you'd like to throw in here, please reach out and let me know.
Speaker: Yeah. 100%. Yes. All right. going to leave you here. this was a lovely conversation. We're so grateful for you again. Make sure that you do give us a follow and we love it when you rate and review the show. If you have not done so yet we would love that wherever you stream or download on Spotify or Apple podcast, it really does help the show. it helps us get in front of more estheticians who are searching for the resources that we have to share. So we're super grateful for you. And then obviously you can share any key takeaways or favorite parts, um, to your socials. We love it when you tag us and, um, you can find me Tiffany or at sweet cheeks university on Instagram, Facebook, and Tik TOK.
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