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The commercilisation challenges faced by academics in bringing research to market : The PIPE gDAO ep 8
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In episode 8 of the Pipe gDAO Podcast, we explore how universities can commercialize research effectively by addressing the challenges faced by academics in bringing research to market. We discuss the role of Technology Transfer Offices in academic innovation, the importance of specialization in turning ideas into impactful solutions, and how PIPE gDAO provides tailored solutions for research commercialization. Using real-world metaphors like ship navigation and referencing strategies for connecting academic research with industry needs, this episode offers valuable insights into overcoming commercialization challenges and ensuring groundbreaking research reaches its full potential.
00:00 intro
02:15 national burden
07:45 value of labour division
13:40 jack of all trades
21:45 specialisation
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Transcript
Introduction and Humorous Opening
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to episode eight of pipe Jedi podcast. It is your usual suspects Lizzie slimy and this guy and me pipe noodle. I'm back. I'm here. Hello. Oh the pipe noodle. It's a noodle coming out of a pipe. That's me Well, I guess it makes sense because ah the pipe is like you know circular, cylindrical, with a hol hollow in ah in inside of it. And then there's a noodle coming out, which is also kind of cylindrical. Absolutely. You know me. Although if when I buy noodles, I prefer them to be more flat.
Andrew Flack's Blog and Unique Photo
00:00:32
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our ah This time, we are reading a blog again, but not from the usual ah authors. This time, it's Andrew Flack.
00:00:43
Speaker
Our CTO, was it? yes yes absolutely Yes. Although for everyone, it's just Andy. That's what they call him. Yeah. And ah there is an awesome PFP picture of him with no hair at all, except for the gray beard. but that's not ah I'm going to say that's not normally how he looks. I would say I think it this ah this picture doesn't do him justice. But ah here's
Engagement and Upcoming AMAs
00:01:10
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the title. A modest proposal for preventing the research of universities from being a burden to their country, a burden to their country, and for making them beneficial to the public.
00:01:21
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It was published very recently. In fact, it was talked about on our recent AMA over attacks. But wait. Are you looking to get the latest updates straight from the source? All the insider details as they happen? Well, we've got you covered. Follow us on X to stay in the loop with both PGF and The Pipe Company. From announcements to exclusive insights, you'll be the first to know. And don't miss our next AMA. Get your questions ready whether you want to ask them in writing or come on air to speak directly with the experts. It's your chance to ask anything.
00:01:55
Speaker
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University Research Proposal and Inspiration
00:02:14
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12th of November, a modest proposal for preventing the research of universities from being a burden to the university or country, and making them beneficial to the public. With due deference to the late, ah very revered reverent, and those two are capitalized by the way, they're first letters, very reverent Jonathan Swift. I don't know what who he is, but um thank you very reverent Jonathan Swift for your contribution to the world.
00:02:44
Speaker
or at least to Andy's inspiration. You can, I guess, find out if you Google it. ah We're all aware of the current state of affairs of our universities. I don't know. I'm not aware of it much, but I guess people in the know are and the educational establishments whereby they are finding it difficult to support the levels of expenditure to which they are accustomed and entitled.
Government Funding and Research Profits
00:03:08
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That's one of those things that ah are hotly ah ah very hotly debated topics, whether this kind of expenditure is justified or not. yeah Government monies, and that's exactly how he spelled it, monies, M-O-N-I-E-E. That's how you know Andy is the cool guy. He's the which one of the cool kids, because that's how we spelled monies.
00:03:35
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ah Government monies are being withheld and the liberty of the establishments to charge a compensatory rate for their services are being restricted. So ah yeah, they are trying to cut down on some expenditures. There is a danger of the reduction of the support for research that and that can show no commercial benefit or utility through a relentless pursuit of return on investment ah from funding bodies.
00:04:00
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So ah not all research ah is ah meant to be strictly short-term gain, maybe maybe not even long-term monetary gain. Some things deserve to be funded even if they produce absolutely zero profit. I could think of a few, but that's a more of a um more of a political subject.
Inefficiencies in Research Commercialization
00:04:23
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Those who have experienced the full process of taking an inspiring idea through ah to a pursuing but productization, no well of the myriad obstacles that are cast in the path of such progression, and of the numerous failings by the wayside that may be witnessed in even our most prestigious and longest established cohorts. Well, ah personal opinion, not one of Andy, but yeah personal opinion, a lot of those processes are actually um quite old and
00:04:55
Speaker
Quite frankly, I think some of them are complex on purpose just to prevent others from actually being able to do it and to control the process from top to bottom. But to yeah, that's a side comment. Such can be the brutal hazing that must be endured that whilst many enter the process, few pass through it.
00:05:17
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ah In fact, in our previous episode, we talked about how ah the TTOs, transfer technology offices, a lot of the processes are not as efficient as they should be. And that's actually why a lot of them fail. And that was the inspiration for Rob to found the pipe company.
00:05:36
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be it government regulation or a lack of support and marketplace under ready for such endeavors on or indifferent to the advantages offered or the simple practicalities of turning a labr ah laboratory proof into an easily replicated product. These are innumerable hazards to be negotiated. Little wonder then at the relief satisfaction and indeed some celebration commonly exhibited when by some uncommon fortune a project survives the course.
00:06:05
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ah yeah So the vast, vast majority of projects are not going to make the cut. It is a very minority that actually are going to pass through.
Burden on Successful Research Projects
00:06:16
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Sad is the fact that those that survive are expected to carry by some the load of all who enter the process and of the resources they consumed regardless of outcome. ah Yeah, so if you are one of the few who actually survived, there are there can be quite unrealistic expectations on you.
00:06:34
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especially when the whole process being as difficult as it is, can be quite lengthy. And since it's lengthy, it's expensive in terms of both money as well as human resources and time that ah were invested into it. So they would be understandably strict with the things that they do select. The virtue of the individual being endangered by the fate of the many. That's quite poetic.
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00:07:27
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Researchers vs. Commercialization Expectations
00:07:47
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Absolutely. So um what we're talking about is sort of this environment that the efforts of highly qualified research academics who were attempting to extend the boundaries of knowledge, they must attempt to survive. Very sort of Hunger Games-esque. In addition, right, to adhering to these sort of conventions, customs and practices of their sort of universities,
00:08:13
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Researchers are now sort of unreasonably burdened with the expectation that they will produce research outcomes of like many times greater value than the funding which was used to make them. So they're expecting to turn a huge, huge profit all the time. um This drives to common commercialization, threatens to undermine the fundamental principles of academic research and therefore harms the pursuit of knowledge.
00:08:44
Speaker
Such research academics are expected to sort of add to their already impressive qualifications and knowledge in their specific fields of research, all of the qualifications for each of the supporting functions of a mundane commercial operation. This is not in any way to suggest that academics involved are incapable of doing this, but on on the flip side it's The time frames of expectation that they will achieve such competence is not in accordance with the busy schedules that they will already be enduring as part of their ongoing duties and responsibilities. After all, we expect these students to spend several years in the process of obtaining even a rudimentary qualification in any subject.
00:09:30
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and even disregarding the extensions to that period afforded by the needs to synchronise availability with the appropriate teaching staff, period, or accu- a culturalization ah culturalization sorry to the university ethos and invent inevitable delays. This period is still short of the supposed 10,000 hours of study and practice that is required to become proficient with an expertise.
00:10:00
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Because considerably more qualified than students and already entwined within the university, it could be expected that the attainment of competence with a subject by a research academic could be much more rapidly obtained were it possible to dedicate such time to its achievement in the face of the competing demands of university research teaching, consultancy and other duties and obligations both inside and outside of the academic establishment. Oh yeah I comment to add while Andy does say that that's not to say that they are incapable of you know doing the the what's called the funding process they are capable of doing it
00:10:48
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But I would say that the ma majority of them are not, because normally when you meet the academics, that's not something they're even and interested in. So ah while perhaps they could learn it, although I think the majority of them probably are not the kind of people who would be a predisposition to do it, ah at least most of them would not want to.
00:11:08
Speaker
um So yeah, I agree on the surface that they could, but the majority of them are not going to. And that's actually, I believe we talked about it in the last block by Rob, that yeah, because of this specialization, and it's good that they specialize, ah they are going to be doing specifically this thing. So there is a need for a very well established process that does the other part of it.
Specialization of Roles in Management
00:11:38
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bringing Next paragraph, the presumtion but presumption appears to be that the individual who has originated the idea has both the desire and the responsibility of abandoning all other endeavors, ensuring the progression of the subject in hand through the acquisition of such supplementary expertise. That's actually kind of what CEOs do.
00:11:58
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like they they are generally kind of like jack of all trades, or at least that's one of the perceptions floating around the internet. so And some CEOs resonate with the idea that they're not there to be smart or anything. In fact, the CEO is the guy who just oh goes like, hey, what's up? So how's it going? You're good? OK. So and so here he understands the entire process little by little, and he's just in charge of keeping things together rather than performing those tasks. And that's that's because the other people are so hyper-focused on their specific part that they cannot afford to spend their mental resources on what CEO does.
00:12:42
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And also the other thing is that t all CEOs have to yap a lot. That's also one of the talents. That's true. um I remember I saw this video. Did you know up to 45% of recruited talent database adornment? This means 45% of your revenue
Humor in Academic Expectations
00:13:01
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Speaker
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00:13:42
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where this guy is a um social media guy and he said he hated meeting with like CEOs because he was meeting with some big ones like he met with like you know the Zuckerbergs and people like that um and he said they just seem so stressed out all the time like he's like they just they just talk they don't stop talking it's like they always keep going and going and going no matter what um and he said it's very intense lifestyle to live I can imagine because while they don't do the task themselves, they are responsible for their for its completion. So yeah. And really known or one of their responsibilities to their other ideas, even the existing students. Yeah. Fun fact, professors in universities actually have to teach students.
00:14:30
Speaker
Maybe not all the people know about it. But yeah, professors are expected to teach students. That's but that's ah one of those things. I every time you come on here, right, you keep saying these things that have to be lies. I just I just don't believe you. You tell you're telling me a professor, ah ah an actual teacher's job is to go to university and teach students.
00:14:58
Speaker
Yeah. And like sometimes you shut up. You're lying. Sorry. I know. it's It's difficult to comprehend, but sometimes they even have to make time for some individual students who come in after the lectures. Yeah. Mind you, a lot of universities doesn't happen often. They're like, yeah, sure. Come in anytime. And students don't come. that's but That's true. That does happen a lot. Yeah.
00:15:26
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a bit of a personal story because i um like I was learning Spanish at the same time as I was learning i was studying in the Spanish university. um I had to come a lot more often than other people and the professors actually welcomed me because students don't normally come for consultations. That's fair enough.
00:15:50
Speaker
but you know Should such duties be allocated to those who are already assisting in the research practicalities, despite the inconvenience that this would entail to all involved? ah I guess teaching assistants or something.
00:16:04
Speaker
It must be recognized, however, that even the successful outcome of such extension of expertise would still result in the concentration of duties within individual who, no matter no matter how brilliant, would still be constrained by the number of available hours within a day. And the problem is not a simple, well yeah, so essentially you would be shifting the role of, if so if you if we were to implement it, the professor who is expected to do the research and to teach,
00:16:32
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You would just shift into yes an assistant who would do the same role wild ah yeah while the professor would be just a pure researcher.
Academics and Multi-role Challenges
00:16:43
Speaker
So in the end, I don't think anything significant would occur. you And the problem is not as simple as providing more seats in a lecture theater. ah I guess you could just ah put more people into the lecture so you would have to fewer lectures or something. But more akin to how many tutorials can be reasonably accomplished.
00:17:05
Speaker
There's only so much that an individual can do, even Heracles. I usually um see Hercules rather than Heracles. I guess it's a different notation. Even Heracles used the power of the rivers Alpheus and Penneus to wash out the Oijun stables, a notable instance of ah his using his head rather than his muscular abilities. If a son of Zeus Wouldn't it be they, Son of Zeus, must call upon others, even a force of nature but ah to help share the task? What hope for those mere mortals? I repeat, mere mortals, however brilliant, not all of them are brilliant, but there are definitely some, to pick up and fulfill of ah all the roles required in a commercialisation endeavour.
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00:19:25
Speaker
So Indeed has been sort of exposed in Adam Smith's book, an inquiry into the nature and causes of the wealth of nations. um This is the right bit, right? Yep. And his theory based on the idea of the division of labour, which is when the production process of goods is broken down into smaller tasks, such confusion of responsibilities is quite detrimental to the whole wealth of a nation.
00:19:53
Speaker
So his example of pins to illustrate the benefits of specialization arguing that 10 workers could produce 48,000 pins per day if each was assigned a specific task.
Division of Labor in Modern Research
00:20:04
Speaker
Yet without the division of labor, he argued a worker would be lucky to produce even one pin per day may seem mundane and unrelated, but illustrates the principle at hand. So just to finish on it.
00:20:18
Speaker
No, no, no, go on. i was i was Just to add a little bit of a context to this, Adam Smith is the guy who is known as ah the father of classical economics, not to not the Keynesian economics, which is widely used at the moment, but the classical economics, which used to be widely used. to ah Well, it's arguably used a lot by the right wing ah politicians. But yeah, Adam Smith, who was actually left during the Industrial Revolution era, ah that this this guy,
00:20:48
Speaker
And he uses the example of pins. Fun enough, 150 years later ah came the assembly line by Henry Ford in the roaring 20s America. and that's like ah The assembly line is the most a popular example to use for specialization. ah Instead of 10 people assembling a car ah like one by one,
00:21:15
Speaker
they would all do a separate task and ah they would produce a car like every second or something or like every five seconds. It was actually quite funny to see how there's this door that keeps opening every five seconds and the new car comes out.
00:21:29
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ah So yeah, I've never actually seen the Pins ah specialization idea, but ah that's actually quite funny. Like it existed like over a century before the assembly line was invented. So that's a quite just goes to say how much for genius actually this guy was Adam Smith. Yeah. But again, like sort of going back, it's sort of like no way implies that an academic researcher is just part of the process.
00:21:55
Speaker
which is fair enough, as they are both fundamental um and core to the existence of the essence being exploited, but rather that they are highly qualified and uniquely capable individuals within their circle or sphere and to make the most of their capabilities. So they let researchers research and other parties deal with the more mundane details of turning such ideas into practicalities.
Focus on Research vs. Commercialization
00:22:21
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You can feel ah how much ah someone would despise the process by saying, it's mundane details. You do this thing. Exactly. It's like, yeah, ah do you you go do these stuff. or you know I'm not fussed. ah Yeah, I'm going to do the interesting part, of the research. Exactly. I'll do the i'll do the nice bit. um But again, there's the saying that Andy's written here. It's like, one does not own a dog and bark oneself.
00:22:46
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And it would be seen as ridiculous to suggest that an expert in one of the supporting functions would be capable of obtaining the equivalent expertise of an academic specialist. No matter how esoteric and complex such an expert's natural field might be, or the amount of time devoted to the effort,
00:23:05
Speaker
is after all on this sort of very principle of the division of labour that the very structure of society is based, especially within our most revered establishments. And so the expectations that it academics should be forced to cross traditional boundaries in order to achieve some soup supposed advantage in the value of their work they have produced does appear contrary to the very laws of nature, or at least the working theories thereof.
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Metaphor of Ships in Research Challenges
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00:24:17
Speaker
Would we expect a lecturer to both instruct our student population and prepare their own meals? I think not, as this is a function well seen or better served by those who station it is to do so.
00:24:31
Speaker
ah shall we like to say yeah well I can go to lectures and prepare my own meals. How about that? Oh, lucky you're going, man. Yeah, I know. So while everyone is just ah ah spending their broke student money, well, I mean, the broke students always like eat the most basic meal that they can prepare at home. I mean, some of them might not even have a kitchen, come to think of it. You can save the rent, like a room.
00:25:02
Speaker
ah um um i mean I guess everywhere I lived and when I rented a room, we did have a kitchen, so I did prepare like a very basic meal. like like Fun fact, if you're what's called to a broke student, all you have to do is ah make a soup. like You just throw everything that looks healthy into the soup. It might not taste the best, but it will keep you fed the entire day, 30 minutes, and I made this experiment.
00:25:30
Speaker
that's ah You can actually very well do it. Oh, and another example. um When I was doing my um C++ plus plus programming ah subject, the guy had the professor had ah some trouble with the projector and he and he couldn't figure it out. So he called another guy, so like one IT expert called the other IT expert to fix the projector that actually looked kind of funny to me.
00:25:53
Speaker
Like I know it makes sense, but it still looks kind of funny because you would expect to and normally people just say this is the IT guy. So I guess he can do everything related to IT. There's no specialization. itity It's just ah he knows how to fix a camera. He knows how to do this. So yeah, this guy's the IT guy. That's how would it was. Yeah, that's fair enough, isn't it? Really? So going back to what we're saying, it was just like you wouldn't expect a person to
00:26:26
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ah so so change jobs, really, if anything.
00:26:31
Speaker
and or change Should we then expect our brightest academic minds to burden themselves with the innumerable details of mundane exploitation, of the wonderful of the of the wonderful ideas that they have composed so elegantly?
00:26:46
Speaker
Or to have to translate their search on such matters into the understanding of those less capable who happen to be in control of the finances so well deserved. I'm really trying to put a situation on the keywords here. it It's actually funny because normally ah this kind of attitude goes the other way.
00:27:10
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So yeah. Let them know researchers concentrate on that at which they are so demonstrably proficient and leave the practicalities and indignities of exploitation to those whom nature has better shaped ah their proficiencies. ah Yeah, so we are specializing here. If you research, I do the do the hustling.
00:27:34
Speaker
In such manner, we may both ensure the academic authority of the research so completed, whilst at the same time, while at the same instant satisfying those who would insist upon a recognizable return from their monies so grudgingly invested in the process without the dilution of attention of our academic fellows who would remain free to concentrate upon that which they perceive as the appropriate field of research.
00:27:58
Speaker
and applying other, more appropriate resources to the more worldly aspects of the exploitation of the fruits of their research. yeah Fruits of their research can be both intellectual as well as monetary. but guess So we are talking about specific fruits of research. In such a manner may all the desires of nature and nation be fulfilled through the discovery of natures marvels to the benefit of the national purse.
00:28:26
Speaker
A word of warning may be appropriate at this point that there are those who would in the guise of removing the burden from the university and the researcher would also remove from them the benefits potential of the fruits of their research, i.e.
00:28:42
Speaker
they would defund them. And while such actions may be in full historical court with the mercantile tradition of buying cheaply in one market and sell at a profit in another, because the market makers, or maybe not market makers, but the but the ah merchants, let's say, that to them, it also requires their own skill. And they do what they do. they don't This is not necessarily concerned with academics.
00:29:12
Speaker
ah The consideration of benefit to such merchant at the expense of both the producer and the recipient of the goods is a less than equitable solution. Indeed, a certain bitterness may remain, as ah I have been trying to ah demonstrate but by my accentuation of keywords, upon the palette of such a recipe.
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Speaker
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00:31:13
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academic achievements as disclosed as delionated. ah Indeed, without stealing the glory of any of our fellow practitioners, it may be worth recognizing that the aforementioned systems borrow from the practices of our late colonies in the dividing into three parts of subjects within a presentation of potential tasks, devised to ensure the appropriate and employment of scarce medical resources,
00:31:43
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When faced with a stream of battlefield casualties, this triage process applies to a brutally effective method of ensuring the greatest survival. To give a less gruesome explanation of its mechanisms, let us instead consider the fate of our free ships.
00:31:58
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the first it sounds is sound of timber, sail and rigging, well provisioned and with a crew of healthy disposition that shows in those ropes. The second shows signs of distress having taken heavy seas or some pestilience within the crew or all provisions and is in need of a harbour and repair provision. The third shows signs of severe distress taking on much water, a hull breach, her rigging fallen in desiré with the crew already looking to the boats rather than the pumps.
00:32:28
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It's a pestilence you uncultured swine. I'm so sorry. I didn't know. Pestilence, you know, the I think it means a disease, some kind of, but yeah, I actually don't know what that word means too well either. I heard it once in the book. I was like, I've never seen that before, but let's, so one can see the first will probably complete her voyage safely and with some profit. The second ship's fate will depend on the actions taken to gain harbor and repair.
00:32:58
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With a fair wind and a friendly shore, she should be able to repair and continue on her way following the first. However, the third ship sadly will either ring the luteine bell for a loss, or if by some miracle she survives by her making harbour, but she'll most likely fail to deliver her cargo to any destination other than the deep. Yeah, all that ship talk just makes me say... Ships on vigour on the waves are skimming, bearing summits to the burden planes. I don't know if you know the song.
00:33:27
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It reminds me of the one out of Assassin's Creed. Assassin's Creed 4. I love that love like game. So the big lesson here is that through the application of such analysis of the seaworthiness of the research, seaworthiness obviously being a metaphor for the actual for the research to be able to stand on its own two legs within the ocean and that it's business.
00:33:51
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ah projects presented using the expertise of those who have gained their sea legs in many webbers and conditions which means um the academics will need business-minded people to help them get their projects off the ground and they can see the health of such ship as it cuts through the waters. The pipe disclosure and validation process can determine those vessels to which a cargo can be safely consigned from those which should be prevented from leaving harbour or hauled out for repair. bit Meaning that we can design your ship in a way where it will be the first ship, okay? That's the selling point. The deeper analysis that is later undertaken to ensure a profitable voyage could be best compared to a the thorough examination of the ship's papers in all aspects and the corresponding rule realities to which they refer.
00:34:44
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From the state of timbers to the storage of provisions, the handling of cargo and the experience of the crew which is which is claimed as verified, what is found the deaf deficient is corrected and everything is queried, examined and declared fit for purpose. But let us return from this explanation to the subject first raised, of ensuring the research of universities are a benefit not a burden.
00:35:10
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Indeed, letters splice together these three themes, the research, the division of labour and the voyage of delivery as it befits the making of a strongest good age.
00:35:21
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00:36:45
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a hole on all of the lions himself, or that's also another the word that I've only heard about ships, and is but freshly acquainted with the roll. Oh man, the those words. and Regardless otherwise of the state of the vessel or the value of its cargo, such a voyage ah might well Might well founder, such a voyage might well founder as it meets its first seas exiting the shelter of the harbor. Any merchant consigning his version to such an endeavor must be suspected of having his eyes more firmly upon his insurance than the delivery of goods. Yeah. Imagine you are you have two out of three possibility of ah
00:37:27
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boarding a ship that's gonna give you a lot of trouble. And any crew on such a ship could well be in peril of their survival. Better than trust the delivery of the cargo to a well-founded ship with a crew both experienced and engaged with the success of the voyage.
00:37:43
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Therefore, let the research be the precious cargo that is delivery, and the researcher the merchant that's acomp and the researcher, the merchant that accompanies their goods to ensure their state, rather than the master and the pilot of the ship, and with an experienced master and crew seat to the state of the vessel, and the safe completion of the voyage.
00:38:03
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So we go back to the specialization topic. In such a manner, of the delivery of the promise of the goods so carried, the fruits of research undertaken and discoveries made can be better assured of increasing the public goods and no doubt the national exchequer through the tithes and duties paid, ensuring a profit for all concerned and avoiding the Bell's toll.
00:38:29
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Are you familiar with the bell stall? I think it's it's a bell that rings when the ship is going down. I see you've played Assassin's Creed. I have, yes. Thus, by each contributing their strength and entwined together, a stronger court, indeed a lifeline, is created and the burden lifted to be discharged at the beneficial cargo delivered to a grateful public and state. A grateful public and state, I repeat. Wishing a fair wind and a safe harbor to all.
00:38:58
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Maybe Andy also played Assassin's Creed, I don't know. Maybe. I'm getting that impression. I'm getting the vibe. Yeah, and that is all for our episode 8. And who knows, maybe next time we'll have more Assassin's Creed references or some other game. and Maybe, hopefully. That'd be cool. Yeah, we'll see you next time. See you next time.