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Connor and David’s Declassified CRM Survival Guide - Ep 115
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Connor and David discuss the highs and woes of CRM archaeology. They start out discussing #bus and #vanlife and the issues that David is having with his bus.
They then take a deep dive into the bad and less fun elements of CRM archaeology. They discuss hotels, shovel tests, depression and existential crises. Connor and David then play good cop and tell success stories about their experiences in CRM. Give it a listen!
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Introductions & Absences
00:00:01
Speaker
You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network.
00:00:14
Speaker
Welcome to episode 115 of A Life in Ruins podcast, where we investigate the careers of those living in life in ruins. Our lives are ruined. It's David, it's Connor, and Carlton will not be here with us today. Vinny's here, though. Oh. Hey, yo, how you doing? Vinny is not here, it's just us. Vinny the Chin, guys. Follow him. Spaghetti Western's with a zero.
00:00:41
Speaker
Definitely go check him out. Carlton will be back one
Group Chat Dynamics & Memes
00:00:44
Speaker
day. I think he sent me a picture of him after the tornado that he went through and he used the popular thing from Twister where you put your belt, you tie it to a waterline and he survived the tornado. So he's good to go. That's good. He didn't send me that picture. No, I mean, the field school didn't make it, but you know, he made it. So that's good. That's good.
00:01:07
Speaker
Yeah, we have a lot of group chats and I can't keep up with a lot of them Anyway, well for contact everyone pretty much have an episode with we end up in a group chat Yeah, that devolves into something like except for the hundred and seven that we haven't We tried we tried at the beginning we tried like every single one it was like we tried to get a group chat going and then they mostly just ghosted us because we're weird and
Artifact Identification Humor
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah. Worldwide Wallace. Trevor just ghosted us. He did send us a meme a while back and we kind of ghosted him. Yeah, but it was like, it was like in response, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It was SpongeBob with the butterfly net in his hand or the jellyfish net with his tongue sticking way out. And it said archeologists when they find pottery. And it was very funny for context, that joke, this is a popular
00:01:56
Speaker
like freak out an undergrad kind of thing is like the way to tell if it's a ceramic versus a lithic when you have a pile of shit on your plate. Sorry, Chris, hang on. The way to tell if it's a ceramic or a lithic when you have a pile of stuff on your plate, like on your tray, you just did a lick it because ceramics are porous. So therefore it will stick to your tongue bone as well. I'm sorry, bone versus ceramics. There you go. Bone is porous. I just, I already take my degree away. Anyway, point of the story is I think a ceramic would stick though.
00:02:25
Speaker
Let's be honest. I believe I confused that because the stuff that I licked that I can't mention the name of because of DOD purposes, when I licked it, my tongue does stick to it. That's what it is. Yes. Bone sticks to your tongue. So at a field school, everyone's like, yeah, just check. And like, they're like, what? And like, I will always just immediately lick bone, like freshly dead or 3000 years dead. Yeah. My, my total, five thousand years ago. Who knows?
00:02:51
Speaker
whatever it is, my dog chewed on it, you know, it doesn't matter. But I told my friend that and he like, like was appalled. He's like, you stick your tongue on a bone that has been in dirt with nasty whatever. And he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
Chaotic Episode Warning & Bus Living
00:03:10
Speaker
just do that. It's totally fine. He's like, why? You guys, you guys are a bunch of weird, weird people.
00:03:15
Speaker
And it like, it could be like not saying any specific projects or places that have worked. It could be a very nag per heavy site and like I'll lick a bone or two. And I'm like, you know what? High chance that that was someone's grandmother's femur that I just liked a piece of probably could go to federal prison for that. But we don't know when it's a shard and that's the point of curation.
00:03:35
Speaker
Yeah, allegedly, allegedly. Well, if I hadn't have licked it, the alleged femur, I wouldn't have known was it. And it would have gotten filed away as a ceramic and therefore not an agra. So it is hashtag lick for an ag pro anyway. All right. We're off to a great start today.
00:03:54
Speaker
We're just going to warn everyone, this is going to be chaos. It's been a chaotic week for all of us. Carlton's in the field. I am dealing with 6,000 crazy projects, and David is trying to do some stuff with your bus. You want to inform the folks who made it this far what you're doing with your bus?
00:04:15
Speaker
Yeah. So when you have diet autism, like I do, it's really hard. It's really hard to function. So like I was, I think we talked about this. I was in the process of building my own bus. However, I found the new bus was already converted to the way I wanted it. So I'm selling that's a whole other thing. I got a new bus and in the new bus, like had I finished building the old one or bought the new one, I would have needed to figure out the electrical anyway.
00:04:42
Speaker
However, since the guy built it, he was like, yeah, here's how you do this. Here's how you do that. Here's how you do this. That's what this is. And I recorded a video of him explaining all that to me, but of course I had no idea. And I'm like, cool. I'll just exist. And I like finally moved into the bus fully and like my desktop computer. I'm like, man, no one really fits a desktop computer into their bus. Like I'm going to be one of the first people to do that.
00:05:03
Speaker
And I did it. And then I realized when you have your desktop computer that can like process 4k video and run like Skyrim and Adobe premiere at the same time, it drains your batteries out real quick.
00:05:17
Speaker
in pure sun. It runs off solar. It's not attached to the engine or anything like that. It's purely powered by the sun. Purely self-sustaining solar. It's eco-friendly as hell.
00:05:33
Speaker
yeah so and i have 200 amp hours of battery so like that should theoretically like last forever with just the fridge and the lights like i don't have to worry about it unless i had no sun for like two weeks but that thing draws so like when i plug in my
00:05:49
Speaker
air fryer, which are notoriously like, like power efficient. That's like why they exist should be okay. But like a Keurig, I don't have, I've heard those take out a lot of power. So anyway, it's just little things. So I bought a little watt tester to like, see how much stuff things take. And like, I can do some editing on my computer. I don't think, but like, I'm not going to be able to like, because there's that one guy who's like van life gaming and like everyone, he's so annoying, but he does have some good stuff.
00:06:15
Speaker
wait really there's a fan life gamer yeah he's just gen z looking dude it's probably my age though he's got long hair and a cross earring if you have a cross earring that dangles i assume you're gen z
00:06:25
Speaker
Uh, the fit, the fit print, the fine print is his name. It's like T T T H like TT, the fine print TT at the end of it. But yeah, van life gaming and he like, it's cool. He has a solar system. He has like 600 amp hours of battery. So he could just sustainably game anywhere he goes, which is pretty cool. And he also does video editing. So I think that's like his.
00:06:49
Speaker
But that's his day job. And that's all these people are like, Oh, how do you afford van life? Like, how do you know you can just do your job on the road? He has a full time like job doing like visual effects for like Disney. Yeah. He doesn't mention that until like one video. And I was like, Oh, that's how this kid does it. But now he's probably got sponsorships and like all that. So.
00:07:09
Speaker
And the only way he does it is he has three times as much amp hours as you, right? Yeah. He has probably $2,000 to $3,000 worth of batteries in his bus or in his van. I have about $1,500, I think. I didn't buy them, but I assume that's the amount those batteries cost. But anyway, to answer your question, it's been a lot. So now I'm like, okay, maybe I should add a DC to DC inverter.
00:07:34
Speaker
which then I have to like run from my batteries in the engine all the way to the back of the bus at the solar, but the bus is already built. So I can't strip everything out. So I've been going underneath the bus, drilling holes, like running wires and stuff. I also, in the back of the bus, there's a big rear heater. So like if it was a school bus, there's a heater that you flip on the little console up front that turns on the heat. However, that also heats the floor. So everything back there was just roasting hot when I drove to Arkansas and I was like, Oh my God, that that's not good.
00:08:04
Speaker
Dude, I burned my calves on those things so many times. As a kid? Yeah, as a kid, like on the bus, you'd like put your leg back there and you'd be like, just like searing pain. Oh, I never did that. I didn't get to sit in the back of the bus. Yeah, because you were cool. Because you're short and Jewish. This is true.
00:08:24
Speaker
I think by the time I was old enough to be in the back of the bus, we moved to Tennessee, and then I was a new kid, so I had to sit up front with this Japanese exchange student. Her name was Sasuke. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Point being... Also, that was a joke about David's height and ethnicity. We're just joking. I mean, it's all good, they know.
00:08:50
Speaker
The government knows this is my 23 and me. The Chinese know. That's all. That's good. Yeah. That day has been sold to someone. The Japanese and Russia is cool with it, but you know.
00:09:02
Speaker
the point of all this and Chris and his wife Rachel live in an RV full time so they're probably laughing their asses off at me right now trying to like just like oh poor David but yeah so I'm like running up but there's not the heater the heater like burned like my like and my propane is back there and I know propane is like pretty safe like
00:09:21
Speaker
even if you shoot it with a gun, it won't like blow up and fire. I've saw that on MythBusters. However, I'm just, it's a volume of gas that's just hitting my bus. So I'm constantly like, if I get rear ended, I'm dead. And like, some days I welcome that. Some days I don't. So like, I'm just like, Oh God. And like, if my floor is so hot, I'm like, it's going to explode. Like my dog is going to die in like a fiery inferno while he's locked in the bus. I'm like, so.
00:09:45
Speaker
I have to take this heater out. And then like to take the heater out, everyone's like, oh, there's just a little valve in your engine that you can just turn. And it turns it like the coolant doesn't go to it. So it doesn't turn on. And then like three people on the bus life stuff were like, yeah, just do that. And I was like, okay, but like, have you ever opened up a diesel engine and not know a thing about it? What valve? And then I called like Ford and Ford was like, well, it's a Collins bus. You got to call Collins. And I called Collins lady was like, yeah, just like go down here, open up this, it's under this flap and then hit the tooth, like the flux capacitor and turn it this way.
00:10:14
Speaker
And I was like, okay, you're not doing that. So I just cut the lines. And it's like, this is, it's an actual solution. It's like the nuclear option to take it out. You just cut, like there's a flow line that goes into it to bring coolant and like power, and then one that comes out and brings the coolant. So I just cut those and then got two fittings and rerouted them. So it just like, rather than going up to the heater, that stuff just goes around in a hose to the back of the bus. It just ends. Yeah.
00:10:43
Speaker
So if anybody listening knows how to turn that off on a specific 2010, 40, 450 Collins bus, do let me know. But the next time I get it serviced, I'm going to ask them to do it. But for now, it's fine.
Tech Support & Archaeology Comparisons
00:10:53
Speaker
It just runs back and most people do it that way because it's just the surefire way to not have to worry about it. And I ripped that thing out.
00:10:59
Speaker
I've been doing so many mechanical and electrical things and plumbing things that I've never like thought I'd ever have to do, which I do see as a thing when people they're like, bus life. Hell yeah. It's like what they do. And I'm always impressed with like this one little like 19 year old girl who like lives in a van full time, just like with a drill, like doing shit that I have no idea what she's doing. See, and I wasn't like ever taught that as like a girl kid growing up. So I never got like,
00:11:23
Speaker
You know, my dad never walked me through this part of the engine is this, this does that, you know, or you do the oil change here or whatever. And I wasn't really interested in it either. So it's like, no, because we had computers. Yeah. And, uh, LimeWire and like, you could probably like, your dad's probably like, how do I change my Ram? And you could explain all about Ram and like what bays it goes into and how, but my dad be like, that makes sense. But he doesn't like know it. Whereas a car, he's like, yeah, just like turn the, and I'm like, what? How do you know?
00:11:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's something I feel like I missed out on. I could probably change my oil by myself. That's not a big thing, but that was service industry kind of stuff. But like you said, I can tell you anything about tech, whatever. My parents can't
00:12:10
Speaker
their power went out the other day and it turned off their like nest cameras and they're like, Oh my God, I just can't get it back on. No matter what I do, I plugged it back in. I did everything. And I just like searched one thing online and then figured it out. It took me like 10 seconds.
00:12:27
Speaker
I know what you mean, dude. My mom was, she was trying, she got a new phone from work and I was like, here we go. A new iPhone. She doesn't have iCloud backup. She doesn't have anything. And like, she doesn't have enough storage in the phone to back it up to iCloud. So she's like, do I just charge like the, do I have to pay it to my work credit card? Like they're not going to approve that. And I'm like, Oh my God.
00:12:47
Speaker
They want you to switch to new phone. They'll prove it. And then I have to like back up all her stuff to iCloud. And then of course her contacts don't sink over to the new phone. She's like, I'm just going to take it to Apple. And I was like, I swear to God, if you take it to Apple, the guy's going to put a gun to his head and say, I hate my job because he gets this six times a day from people that are older than you, mom, just Google it.
00:13:06
Speaker
And they don't remember their passwords or anything like that. Oh, I have to sign back in. I can't just use the face ID. It's a brand new phone. If anybody listening works at Geek Squad or at the Apple Genius Bar, you are a soldier of God. I saw this guy go through Geek Squad dude at Best Buy and I was just trying to get my phone repaired. Like the only place I could do it was Best Buy that day. And he was like, okay, so do I buy?
00:13:35
Speaker
Like, if I buy this $200 Norton security, like, you'll install it for me?" And he's like, I could, but like, you don't really need that. Windows Defender does it just fine. And he's like, but like, I have to have security. And he's like, yeah, but like, you don't have to have, you could just do Windows Defender. Like, it's really good. And he's like, but like, why would they sell this for this much money if it doesn't, like, he's like, capitalism. Like, I just want you to buy the thing. And I had to sit there for 45 minutes and like, watch this poor patient Hispanic man in
00:14:05
Speaker
like he spoke like perfect English but I could tell like he was this has nothing relevance to it but I could just tell like he was calculating in his head the words to say without just like chewing this guy out and he was just like you don't need it and like I after the guy left and he was like defeated and he's like that I feel like he felt like he was the guy was like trying to hurt like ruin his computer or something like that no yeah the customer left and I locked it up to the dude and he was like I'm so sorry for your weight man and I was like dude
00:14:33
Speaker
you have the patience of a saint and he was like every every day man
00:14:38
Speaker
Oh my God. I feel like if I worked like a week at doing that, and I kind of do that as part of my job and I do it like just enough that I can keep my patience. But if I had to do that for a full week, like I would, I would hop on a plane by one way ticket to the middle of Canada and do logging where I never saw another piece of technology ever again.
Digital Nomads vs Ancient Lifestyles
00:15:00
Speaker
Like I would, I would Dexter it. I would hang out in the middle of nowhere.
00:15:05
Speaker
ruin the end of my series and then end up in Canada being a logger, because it's awful. Trying to explain something to folks who do not understand stuff, it's got to be painful. But it's also going to be painful for mechanics every time I go in there and be like, hey, the thing doesn't work.
00:15:24
Speaker
My car's smoking. They're like, when you haven't changed your oil in 60 years, it's gonna be smoking, dude. 60,000 miles per way change? I can't remember. Dude, he just spits out parts on the highway.
00:15:41
Speaker
To bring this back archaeologically though, like I went on a rant about the bus and like we just talked about technology, but like it's interesting to me, like in this bus, like I will now be like a mobile person, like a hunter gatherer. I have to go to places where there's sun. I need to go somewhere where I know there is water that I can fill up my tank and get the dog water. I gotta be, I don't care if I'm near a grocery store or whatever, but it's just like, I literally have to calculate things like that based on like how much amp hours of battery I have left.
00:16:08
Speaker
Well, how much gas you have, if you can make it to the gas station. Especially right now. Yeah. And like, but people at geek squad too, like they're like, it's literally dealing with the naturally in hand axe versus like a Clovis point. And they're just like, someone's like, but this one works just fine. And he's like, no, but like.
00:16:25
Speaker
you don't need an Acheulean hand axe size tool when you could just use a flake to cut open your box. You know what I mean? Like the Amazon box and like they deal with that. So there's probably people in prehistory or pre-con... Let's just say the Stone Age that were like dealing with this stuff and they were like, no, mom, I swear to God, like Neanderthals, you don't have to make all these exterior flakes to get to the one in the middle.
00:17:08
Speaker
The Nigerian princes. The Nigerian Neanderthals once. Oh, dude. I got, speaking of Nigerian princes, I got someone that wanted to, someone messaged me saying like, they want to, they're perusing my art and they wanted to like buy it for their husband. Uh, who it's his anniversary. She doesn't want him to see it. So she wants to send me a check and all caps for the art. And I was like, Oh, here we go.
00:17:15
Speaker
Like you could literally just bifacially work this thing down to a usable tool and not waste so much Flint.
00:17:30
Speaker
And I went with it because I wanted them to send me the fake check. That's clearly going to bounce and expect me to send the art back. And I was like, man, these people really want my art for like, why mine? And then I wanted them to give me their address. Cause I was literally going to mail them a box of Striders dog shit.
00:17:45
Speaker
And like, let's not bleep that out. Cause it's what I would have sent. But they want me to like meet with a person in a parking lot and do an exchange where we sign for it and stuff. And like, I think it's either going to be a robbery or somebody really wants my art that bad that I messaged and said like, Hey, you're bad at this. Don't capitalize check next time. And also if you want it that bad, you can just have it. And they just didn't respond.
00:18:11
Speaker
All right, we'll call you next segment. And we will be back. Welcome back to episode 115. 115 to the Life of the Nerds podcast. I'm here with Connor John and Carlton is not joining us today. So, so sad. Who do you think was the first person to invent that? Some guy on the street. Like a street performer in like London?
00:18:39
Speaker
Yeah. He was probably like, fall around, like, you know, larger people or someone getting rejected. And it's just like, like the first person to do it definitely got to laugh. Like somebody's like, that's fucking funny, mate. Oh, okay.
00:19:01
Speaker
Sorry for the English audience, but I mean, you deserve it. So... America. Yes, Ratboy. How about that revolution of 1776? How'd that taste? Dude, listen to our episodes, son.
Summer Plans & CRM Work Realities
00:19:17
Speaker
That's really accurate. Yeah, it's the most accurate, most factual since Donald Trump's something on something. Just X or Y. It's an ad-lib there, Madlib. It's an ad-lib, Madlib.
00:19:30
Speaker
Dude, did you see the thing about him throwing the plate of ketchup against the wall? The hearing. It's just like it's like I'm like, this isn't real. And then like you hear it and you're like, OK, that's real. He threw his dick. He would frequently pull the tablecloth out from under the like as like a cartoonish evil boss. Anyway, if you try to do like a magic trick, we're like, dad,
00:20:03
Speaker
I don't know why it was like a terrible New York accent, but that's Donald Trump. It's what it is. Yes. So right now it is the summer. I'm about to go into the field for two weeks at the, uh, a little pro-Mama. So I did a national geographic photo. That's good. Dr. Matty Mackey, Dr. Spencer Paulton, you know, just, you know, some cool people.
00:20:27
Speaker
Yeah, but I'm doing that. That's that's a fun dig. I'm not running it. I'm going to just hang out. I'm not getting paid to dig. I'll be making content and stuff, but like.
00:20:38
Speaker
That's fun. There's CRM stuff, which I'll be doing later this summer. Connor, you are working CRM currently, but there are people out there who are working CRM currently doing the work. Yeah. Respect to all those people out there who are really putting in the time.
00:20:58
Speaker
putting in the miles, putting in the hours, putting in the meters. Sorry, let's do this correctly. The kilometers, the feet, if you're doing a storm site, shovel test the meter deep. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But still, yeah. This episode is going to be for you, but we're just going to talk about CRM and make you sad because we like
00:21:18
Speaker
We don't want to make you happy and let you enjoy like new research or like find out new things about archeology. We want to remind you that you are sad and you are in a hole and that you're never going to get out of that hole. And your career chief is probably listening and I'm going to say he's probably a dick and you're like, uh, wow. And now you're kind of looking back at your screen. Like you don't want to make eye contact because you agree. So you're just screening with your, yeah, you know, and it's just, it's what it is. Um, but also
00:21:47
Speaker
some of the pictures of the crew chief, please want to see him. Maybe there's someone on your, maybe it's a she, maybe it's a they, maybe someone on your crew is just the worst dramatic person you've ever encountered. And he or she, or they are terrible to work with. And like, now you're all kind of looking around like, uh-oh,
00:22:07
Speaker
Because you all know who that person is as I'm saying this, but you're not going to look at each other. So you're doing it right now. You're not going to look at the person because it's awkward and I've made it worse for you. And if you don't know that person, then it's you. That's very true.
00:22:26
Speaker
Yeah. So careful on that one. But let me, let me paint the picture for you guys here. Yes. Yes. I love the fact that it is federally protected public land in which when you find archaeological remains, you can dig up the past and preserve indigenous American heritage. I love that. I do.
00:22:44
Speaker
Do I love it so much that I would love to drive to the middle of the desert, step on a rattlesnake or two working for a giant engineering company who gives no shit about me whatsoever other than that my social security number is on there with a low pay salary?
00:23:04
Speaker
And, you know, I don't have any criminal history. Do I love going out to the middle of that desert, digging a shovel test in the beating sun, carrying a screen 30 minutes across the field because you can't find any two tracks to get there with your truck. But then when you get there, realize there's a two track right there where you could have taken the screens and shovels and all the paperwork.
00:23:25
Speaker
to the spot. Do I love it? Do I love it when I dig that shovel test and it's negative and it's negative and on the third shovel test that's required, you find one flake a meter deep and then you have to dig three more shovel tests around that and still find nothing. And it was just that one flake to preserve indigenous heritage. Do I love that? I love that. I love it. I absolutely love it.
00:23:54
Speaker
And it's why I'm doing that today in my parents' office on a nice cozy microphone in the air conditioning while my bus is roasting. And that is why exactly I love it so much that I send people out there
00:24:16
Speaker
and do tech support from my beautiful, beautiful home in Washington where it is like 60 degrees. It rained a little bit today. I got to walk outside. I am really struggling here because I need to be out on the field, on the ground, in those dunes.
00:24:37
Speaker
getting yelled at by engineering companies, getting yelled at by BLM archaeologists, getting out of that. Whoever it is, I need to be out there. And I'm sad right now. Are you sad? I am so sad. My cat's hanging out in the back there. I've got plants. I got a Coors Light. I didn't even sweat today because I'm just a big old piece of crap.
00:25:00
Speaker
To be fair, there's cores light in a lot of the room. Depending on what state you're in. Nothing I say here is looking at the sort of environmental consultants. What? Yeah. Sorry. Were you done talking about what you loved? Cause I definitely interrupted.
00:25:20
Speaker
No, I miss it so much. And I know you miss it too, being right there. I do. I love... You don't want to have a pool in your backyard to go jump in. No.
00:25:34
Speaker
I mean, I really don't want to stay at my parents' house any longer, but the diesel prices are pretty high. But I am leaving on Friday, so I'm really good. I'm like, I'm out. I'm done. I love my parents. Great place. I love Nashville. Why get in the apartment while I'm here? That's the whole thing. Do I miss living in a Hampton Inn in the middle of the reservation of Wyoming?
00:25:55
Speaker
every night getting those nice delicious eggs that Hampton Inn's provide and like the little bit of stale cereal that comes out of that weirdly 1970s machine in which dispenses cereal. And do I love getting orange juice and or cranberry juice out of the little machine that probably is full of mold into those little Dixie cups? Do I love it? Do I love the little salsa picante packets they give you with your eggs every morning?
00:26:23
Speaker
I think I do. Do I love going, do I love basic cable? Do I love having wifi that's like not the best? So I'm kind of forced to just watch C-SPAN on basic cable, questioning my life and why I'm alone in a living room. No, we all hotel room in, in Riverton, Wyoming. Do I love that? No. I'm going to say I don't love that. No, no one does. I think we should stop glorifying CRM in such a way. Cause sometimes it is shitty.
00:26:53
Speaker
Most of the time, I would say, it's probably shitty. And we talk about this, Connor, a lot. We don't want to gatekeep at all for anthropology. We don't. However, if you do not, like we talked with Vinny last week, if you're not willing to put in that amount of mental effort to get through all that graduate school to become a
00:27:16
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Vinny's a specific case where he's, the kid's a genius doing genetic stuff for like whatever he's doing. But like, if you're not willing to pull out working, you're going to be doing CRM. And not that that's a bad thing, like Angela said, Angela Perry, Dr. Perry, a couple of episode, I think episode a hundred. So yeah.
00:27:32
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She has PhD. She went through all the academia, loves CRM. That's what she does now. And it's not like the, the Burger King to like McDonald's being like, you know, the academia. Cause I mean, I personally think McDonald's a little better than Burger King. What can you do? Oh, get out of here. What do you, what do you, what do you say? The Kerger Bing dude, their stuff is disgusting. Yeah. But they have the best, the spiciest meme page. Come on. Looking up on the Instagram, the Kerger Bing. I still haven't figured out the Kerger Bing, but it is interesting to see the memes.
00:28:00
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It is a place, guys. Check out the Curger Bang on Instagram. A friend sent it to me, and I questioned her sanity. We do not endorse anything that is said in the Curger Bang. But there is no... The celebrated... Doc Monalds? I don't know. What's the... McDonald's?
00:28:22
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There was one after the Will Smith thing with him wearing a Burger King crown. So the part of the page is they just, they photoshopped a Burger King crown on the people. And it was Will Smith saying, keep your wife's, my wife's name off mom McNubbins.
00:28:38
Speaker
And it makes no sense. But do I love living in a hotel? And the only food options are like a safe way with like vegetables that are very questionably fresh to eat because it's in the middle of a landlocked state in the desert. Where nothing's growing. Ain't nothing growing around there. Yeah. Am I trying to eat like a take your make your own salad? I don't know. Do it. Maybe I'll swing by a bird king.
00:29:05
Speaker
and eat it and then feel immediately sick afterwards, yes. There's this other happens, but. It's not pretty though. I mean, like, I don't think academia is pretty and we've highlighted that tons of times, like how bad and like awful it can be. And it's not like you one route, you get to choose. Like you can go back and forth like Angela has done. A lot of people have gone and done CRM for a couple of years and then they're like, yeah.
00:29:32
Speaker
you know, I had too many eggs, too many, too many Sampton eggs that it's, I got to get a PhD. Right. And like, when you get a higher degree, you can, yes, probably be more management. You can do like, you're a manager. I'm a man, like I was a manager. Like you can do an office job and that's not so bad. But then in an office job, you're sitting in one spot where Connor, there's no son half the year. So he's just like, no,
00:29:59
Speaker
And then in Georgia, I was just roasting and I saw a cockroach run across my very clean house, run across my computer desk. And I was like, I'm going to burn my house down. There's no other option till I'm leaving. So I bought a bus to quit my job.
00:30:15
Speaker
He didn't commit arson, he thought about it. Thought about it. It would have been self-arsing, self-immolation. Self-immolation. Oh my gosh. But not to say that... What's up? Oh, just me, the monk from... Yeah, I was thinking the monk thing. Yeah, that's... Every time I see a cockroach, I think that man's life is better than mine. I'm so sorry, guys.
00:30:37
Speaker
Yes. But so to all that aside, I'm not saying that CRM is like not glorious. There are aspects to it that are great. And I'm not saying like you should be an academic. Like what am I trying to say here? I'm not saying that like it's a prison sentence to do CRM versus academia. It's not. There's some CRM that's amazing. However, if you're not, if you're going into anthropology, cause you like find it interesting, but you're not willing to like.
00:31:02
Speaker
go further into graduate school. Maybe you can't afford it yet. Fine. Do CRM like put your work in. If you're not willing to like get to that management stuff and you just want a job, you're going to be doing archeological grunt work, which is not pretty. Some places it is. You have an amazing crew. It's a great time. Laura Cannon had that experience. We should get her on to talk about that.
00:31:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And highlight some of the, cause she, she talks about those experiences. Like they were some of the best years of her life. Like camping with a bunch of hippies in the woods of Mississippi. Yeah. I was like, awesome. Elena Haverlook, she loves her career that she works with. She loves her job. Uh, Amelia, what's her last name? Dahl. Amelia Dahl seems to love her job. She does like office work and field work. But there are some people that I know who are just like, I can't,
00:31:53
Speaker
do this and they quit and they do something else because you are living in a hotel, especially like when I worked with SWICA, it was people I'd never met before, but I knew them through people. And like, we weren't like go, we don't, we didn't go way back. Like we weren't like friends forever. So it was like a fun, you're with your friends in a hotel every night drinking.
00:32:11
Speaker
It became that after a while, but then after that, it's because like, Hey, I need you at this other project tomorrow. Now to drive to the other side of Wyoming and watch construction for 12 hours a day while they dug their gravel and talking to a walkie talkie and be like, yeah, nothing. And like, then go back to an apartment where they didn't put me in a hotel. They had me in an apartment with a roommate who just didn't talk to me, which is fine cause I was tired, but like, I was just like, what am I doing with my life? Like, I don't know. And then field school, you're not exposed to any part of that field school. You're kind of like given this like glamorous.
00:32:41
Speaker
or not glamorous. I know that there's field school out there that puts you through the ringer and you suffer. Field school looks like the opening
Importance of CRM & Systemic Issues
00:32:49
Speaker
scene of Jurassic Park where they're at that nice camp with the trailer and it's fun. Yeah, exactly. You camaraderie, you build friendships, blah, blah, blah. But
00:33:03
Speaker
After that, it's worth testing the waters of CRM and putting your toe in and being like going on a project before you do the full commit, I would say. And sometimes you'll drive by the highway, drive down the road, and you'll see a construction crew on the side of the road. And you're like, man, it's hot. Those poor bastards. One of them, more likely than not, is a geologist or an archeologist out there overseeing what's being dug. And like, fuck that.
00:33:31
Speaker
Like sometimes, like the middle of Nashville, Tennessee, middle of summer, just so hot, so humid. And like, you're just out there in a wet clay hole looking for, and Nashville has tons of material. So it's like, you have to then halt construction. Then they hate you because of the supply chain right now. It's just like, I'm dreading doing some work later this summer that I'll be doing, but like.
00:33:55
Speaker
Yeah. So you're going to a place where it's Northwestern Colorado, where it gets up to 100 plus degrees. And the place is used as like a lithic landscape. Everyone lived everywhere. There's stuff everywhere. And you're out there trying to document stuff so people are complying with the laws. But you're also
00:34:15
Speaker
impeding construction progress, like you're saying. So you're in this weird place where you're sunburned, dying, overheated, getting yelled at by a construction company, but you're also finding the cool stuff.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah, or the construction people after two weeks, you get to know them because you're there every day. Then you get close enough where they're willing to tell you, yeah, me and my friends came in here and picked this area clean of arrowheads and I have them at my house. You want to see them. Not realizing that that is one, a federal crime. And two, the point of me being there is to look for that stuff.
00:34:49
Speaker
And without that, I'm not going to be able to tell what's there. And if we dig through something, yes, but it's just going to be a campfire. I don't know if it's going to be a Shoshone campfire versus a crow or an early archaic site. So there's that. And then you're wondering, why do my tax dollars go to this? Because that is the stupidest job when you're not finding anything. But it's also a worthwhile job because you're preserving indigenous heritage. But it's more so, as Aaron Dieter will have pointed out to me,
00:35:19
Speaker
Like, are we saving indigenous heritage or are we just doing environmental compliance because it's federally acquired? And that's really all CRM boils down to sometimes. And the glory is gone. Yeah. It's like a philosophical debate that you will have every day while you're sitting there watching someone do like 10 centimeters of
00:35:40
Speaker
of the bulldozer moving. I was on a project that was putting in fiber optic cable. So basically the machine was cutting into the ground and then laying cable afterwards. And it just broke every five minutes, every 10 minutes thing broke. And you're sitting there like, I am not going to find anything underneath that.
00:35:56
Speaker
And then all these thoughts come into your head, all these philosophical questions like, what am I doing with my life? Why am I getting paid for this? What is the meaning of everything? And it is brutal. And on that note, I couldn't have said it better myself, Connor, to be honest. Let's talk about the good stuff, though, next, next session, because I mean, there's good, there's more bad than good to me and there's more good than bad in a lot of ways. So what I just said was pointless. Next session.
00:36:21
Speaker
Welcome back to episode 115 of A Life in Ruins podcast. This episode is off the rails because Carlton isn't here to hang out with us.
00:36:37
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We do want to highlight some good aspects of it, because I've been on some projects that I've really enjoyed. David has, too. We want to give you both sides. We want to be the good cop, bad cop kind of thing. David, you were mentioning in the interim that there are some things in Kentucky that you've done and some jobs for SWCCA that you actually enjoyed parts of.
00:36:57
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, when I worked for a bigger company in Wyoming, it was based out of Colorado. I went out with a crew. The guy had gotten his degree at Wyoming. He was a master's graduate. He was older. He was in the kid's forties. Real cool dude. I worked with another guy, Ben Perlmutter. He was French. He's a cool guy, right? Yeah.
00:37:16
Speaker
So another archaeological Jew, which was, I learned in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming, there was just two of us. Yeah. Like some of those digs were like, there was one guy in our career that was like, odd. Then even if he's listening to this, I think he'll admit to himself, like he's a little odd, but he was odd. But the other guys got along with, there's another guy named Brady, I think, who is a university of Wyoming student now.
00:37:39
Speaker
He was actually, uh, he went on with me up to and did my fieldwork in the winds and then was at laprell and is a master's student right now. Shout out Brady. Okay.
Public Engagement & Cultural Exchanges
00:37:49
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Yeah. So I remember Brady being like going back into school. Yeah. Worked with them hanging out at a hotel in, I think it was Riverton, Wyoming. And you're like, after work, we would just go get beer, hang out in the parking lot, which I didn't realize you could just do. You could just post up in the parking lot with camping street. You probably can't.
00:38:07
Speaker
hang out it's called loitering but we were paying to be there so we could hang out outside oh it was like at the hotel yeah yeah yeah yeah and like we would hang out and just drink i like they taught me how to
00:38:20
Speaker
Like this one guy taught me how to like pee into like my, like the truck with the wheel well without it looking like you're peeing. If you really had to go, cause you had to get your car key to go back inside your, to go back to the room and stuff. And the lobby didn't have a bathroom and he was like, he'd like put his like hand up to his face. Like he was like searching the horizon, but he was really just peeing. It was like just funny stuff, which I don't know if that's like sexual misconduct that I don't think it is. There's no one around. It was just us. So.
00:38:46
Speaker
But like, it was just funny to me. Yeah, you're just hanging out and drinking, but everyone has an anthropology degree or a geology degree. It's mostly anthropologists. So you all have liked minds. We talked about different ways. And like, I was still in grad school at this time, so they were picking my brain about stuff and like, oh, he's so young. He didn't know that. And like, but then I was like pushing back on some stuff and I was like, no, I really think sediment moves this way. And this is why this site's stupid. And then they were like, uh-oh. And like, we were like getting to like, and it was like,
00:39:12
Speaker
fun because it's like you're, you're doing, like your theory is getting put into practice and I guess is the way to explain it. And a guy who worked construction where we were working, like the air, the pipeline came by and he was asking us like, why do I have, I will say this and we don't have to bleep it out. He said to me.
00:39:31
Speaker
talking to me and the other guys, and this is a valid concern. Why the fuck do I have to halt my construction for three days for a fucking arrowhead? And, like, he was said it in a very, like, intense tone like that, but he legitimately meant, like, why? Because he just doesn't... They don't... They don't tell him why. He just knows he has to. And my field chief handed him a little card that was, like, his spiel of saying, like, what, you know,
00:39:58
Speaker
the environmental or the APA says what the National Register of Historic Places says and like why we have to do that. And we explained to him like, you know, it could be a big site. It could lead to something. It's indigenous heritage. We need to preserve it. And the guy was like, okay. But he was just like, I just don't understand like why FEMA has to come in and like tell me like do that. And he was like, he had a Trump thing on his like car and stuff like that. So not to say that's like,
00:40:23
Speaker
makes him a bad person anyway. It's just like you can, I can tell where he's, like what side of the aisle he's coming from with these questions. And like they were good questions and I like wanted to have an answer. I didn't necessarily have the full one, but my boss gave him the full answer and it was like, okay. And we kind of came to like an agreement in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming in a hotel parking lot drunk. It was like pretty cool. And another guy came in and talked about like elk hunting cause he would come in with his rifle every day. He also made a,
00:40:52
Speaker
very racist comment against, uh, it was very anti-Semitic with me and Ben sitting right there. And we were like, Oh, well have a good day, man. Okay. Bye. See some of that out West also had a big political sticker on it. So we won't say which one it was, but had it on his car. It runs with Donald Trump. But that's not to say that's where his anti-Semitism came from. No, no, no, no, no. It's just like,
00:41:15
Speaker
And I don't even think he meant it directly. It was just a very like, who did he really just say that to me? Um, but that's the thing I'm, I'm a white passing minority. So it's just like, and I'm white, I would call myself. That's a whole other topic, but yes.
00:41:31
Speaker
And so you can like, no, I was gonna say you put it, you put this into practice. So like we talk about finding stuff, we talk about like sediments, all that stuff. But you also talk about public archeology, which is what you were doing on the second part of that, where you're engaging with someone who's like a stakeholder and having a conversation with them and telling them why this is important and why we do this. Like that's, those are both elements that we're taught.
00:41:55
Speaker
Yes, exactly. And that first day, that was my first day on the job, like after we had worked and gone out there. And the guy, my crew chief was like, so yeah, how'd you like it, man? Before we went to bed in different rooms. But he was like, would you like about it? And I was like, no, man, it's like, cool. Like this is neat. Like I got to see my boss, like on the first day immediately describe why I'm here. Like it was, it was kind of cool in a teachable moment. And then other times, like we would go to lunch cause you get an hour lunch break.
00:42:21
Speaker
And sometimes we just staggered it and ate snacks throughout the day, but you get the gas station runs in the morning where you're like, oh, they make purple Mountain Dew now. I guess we'll try that. And it's just, you just feel sick while you're digging a hole. But it's like the quickie bar. What was the ones that I would eat? Oh my God, dude, you would eat come and go burritos every day.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah. This was like, I was, well, I was a grad student, so you can, you can excuse that, but I had the money to not do that. I just did that because I'm a piece of shit and I will admit to that. But yeah, it's like stuff like that. Like you're at a lot of gas stations and like you eat a lot of beef jerky and sunflower seeds cause you want to keep in, like you have to do a lot of training where it's like.
00:43:02
Speaker
like heat stroke, rattlesnakes, gun violence. Yeah. Like things you have to be out there for and you're like water and hydration is a legit concern and sun or like sunscreen and stuff. Like you gotta wear safety vest, you gotta wear sunscreen, you gotta wear your helmet. That was fun, but like little hole in the wall restaurants in the middle of nowhere.
00:43:21
Speaker
like I remember this one place it was his mom and pop place and like their son I guess was maybe their son had Down syndrome and he like can't use like in his 40s or 50s and like came to the table and just like posted up and ate lunch with us and we're like what's up dude and we just like eating like I just having fun and like he was trying to fist bump us like the whole it was like it was just fun
00:43:41
Speaker
like making this guy's day. Like how you wouldn't actually like go out to that spot without being there for archeology too. So you do get to explore like interesting areas that you would like not go to. Like I'm not going to go to, I'm trying to think where I would go to Walden, Walden, Colorado, hang out there. Like that's, so you do get to see some really interesting places too and meet interesting people and culture.
00:44:05
Speaker
Yeah. Like being on the res, I'd never been there and I could see like the, the poverty. Like I'd never like, I was like, damn. And like on Fridays when like the air was sort of slow day of the month, when like the checks come, like it is a thing where like the liquor stores it's like packed. And I was like, wow, okay. Like I've heard this, but I never saw it firsthand. And like I grew up in the East coast. So I was like, it's just a vastly different world. And I was like, man,
00:44:30
Speaker
where you get like shift workers, people who work in like oil fields and they all come off at the same time. Those are living pirates. Haggard people coming into port, they're like, I need a beer. I've been a sea for 14 days. Literally though, I have these oil fields for like weeks on end, making like a hundred thousand dollars a day because it's a dangerous job.
00:44:54
Speaker
doing meth and steroids. So we also get to do cool research projects as part of CRM. So I've mentioned this before, my company had did a project down in Durango, Colorado, where they were rerouting a highway, a highway one, six, no, 550. So they're rewriting this whole highway. It's up on top of Mesa overlooking a river. And if you've been to anywhere in the West, you know that there's going to either be
00:45:23
Speaker
dead humans. There's going to be arrowheads. There's going to be pit houses. There's going to be everything. These escarpments and mesas that hang around water sources are just chock full of everything you want to find. Archaeological. People have been living there for a long period of time. Because they were moving the highway and we're going to disturb the ground, we got to go out beforehand and excavate and identify
00:45:52
Speaker
really, really cool archaeology. Archaeology that you want to do as part of your field school, or archaeology that you see maybe even... We even filmed something. We were on PBS talking about this archaeology. There were really cool adobe pit houses where you can see the wing walls.
00:46:15
Speaker
different storage areas, all of the pottery you would want to see ever, all of the sandstone matatas, manos, effigies. So you do get to go and see these cool projects.
00:46:33
Speaker
and go to cool places and see things. And also as part of this project, we got to work directly with the Ute Mountain Ute Reservation. So we had Mountain Ute students come out there and we taught them archaeological methods, had them help us dig, and actually had some of those workers hang out with us and work for us for the whole summer.
00:46:58
Speaker
So this is one of those other things where you hear about this really cool archeology, but you actually get to do it. You also hear about engaging and talking with stakeholders and working with tribes, working with different people who are interested in, and you get to put that into practice as well. And that's like worthy, worthwhile work. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's cool.
00:47:24
Speaker
At the end of the day, you feel good and you feel excited to do that. As part of that, I got to operate a drone. They made me small, like Ms. Frizzle, and I was on top of that, piloting it. But I got to operate a drone and create 3D models of these pit houses.
00:47:47
Speaker
and do really cool technology stuff. We also found a lot of human remains that were almost immediately repatriated and reburied as part of this process.
Diversity & Anecdotes in CRM
00:47:59
Speaker
It really is a crapshoot.
00:48:04
Speaker
30 projects in a year that suck and everything's miserable and you're walking transmission lines, you're walking pipelines, you're walking, just walking and you're digging. Or you're in the East Coast and you're digging holes every five meters or something. Through thick roots. Poison ivy, poison oak, bores, chiggers.
00:48:26
Speaker
ticks. I have Rocky Mountain. And you're like, why did DeSoto release all of these pigs? Cancel Spain. Fun fact, the Spanish released a lot of pigs in the Southeast so that when they came back from their expeditions, they had food. And now we got a big-ass hog problem down there, boy.
00:48:48
Speaker
It explains a lot about the South. It does. So another thing too that was like great with CRM was I took this job reluctantly because I just, I needed a job. But knowing Shane, he like saw someone say, Hey, we need like a really experienced field assistant. I think it was, my job was a tech, but I was the PI's assistant is what I was on paper.
00:49:12
Speaker
glorified, uh, shovel bomb. So, but yeah, they needed that someone who could do bones and someone who was like, could be work with high profile stuff between like the army core and on it. So that Sam was like, you know, David, no, no, I'm not dusting my shoulders off in any way here, but did you just, was that a shit's grief reference? You David,
00:49:35
Speaker
This kind of plays into it. I went to this site in Harlan, Kentucky, and if you're not sure what Harlan, Kentucky is, that's where there's songs about it in the 1920s about unions and coal miners and stuff like that. That's the heart of coal country, rural, where there's actual inbred people. It was a thing in the town.
00:49:57
Speaker
And like, not in Harlan itself, but around that area. And like, it was up in the mountains, dude. And like, I was just like, oh, and there was a guy from Long Island that was there. So I was like, okay, I'm a little cool. And the guy that I ended up working with at New South, I love the guy to death. Like I would get a beer at them anytime I see him. Great guy. Uh, another person from New South worked there. She was an osteo, osteo bio-archaeologist. It's like, she died with the remains and stuff. She worked in Florida, taught and she was contracted out, worked there. And then we also worked with the army corps.
00:50:27
Speaker
who it was the army corps land. It's the army corps built railroad there in the 1910s or 1920s or something like that. When was the flu?
00:50:38
Speaker
I think it was like the 1910s, like early 1910s. So it was then they were building it then. Cause a lot of the people died, whatever year the Spanish flu was and like a lot, just poor Irish immigrant graves with like whiskey bottles in them. And that was it. And like a dollar or two. And like, it was just cool to see that aspect of like, just essentially like train track fodder, just being thrown into the dirt. Cause they didn't have anywhere else to send them, but the cemetery was getting eroded out by the river cause or the river.
00:51:06
Speaker
was a USACE controlled river and it was eroding out, so we had to go dig it out. But working with the Corps, this guy I found out had worked on the trial for Saddam Hussein. He did all the mass grave excavations in Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, and like dug all it out, testified against Saddam Hussein using archaeology.
00:51:25
Speaker
being like, yeah, we dug out all these graves and there's just, you can see where the bullets shot these children in the back of the head. And like, you can see their clothing and like artifact A, B, and C as if it was evidence. And like, Saddam was now hanged on public television.
00:51:37
Speaker
That's why people are like, I can't believe there's gratuitous violence in these shows. I was 13 and saw Saddam hanged on live TV. I think I can handle it. Anyway, just a cool experience. They were from St. Louis, so they were obviously upper class people working for the Corps.
00:51:59
Speaker
The guy from New York was like a trade worker, but he was really good with backhoes and stuff, and he came in. But the guys that worked the site that were like from Kentucky, because a funeral home was going to repatriate all these graves, couldn't understand a word the guy said. And he was like, hey, man, you're going to go on now. And I was like, yeah. And then at one point, dude,
00:52:23
Speaker
This is one of the scariest things about like how diverse America is. That guy like rolled his window down and he looked like the physical embodiment of foghorn, Leghorn. I can't describe it. Slash Dave Thomas from KFC. You know, Dave Thomas is Wendy's who's Colonel Sanders. There you go.
00:52:41
Speaker
He literally said shit like that. He rolls the window down as I'm moving buckets up the hill and he goes, son, do you vote for Trump? Just deer in the headlights and I like have gauges and have tattoos. So like clearly I probably vote one direction and he was just like just looked at it. I was like that probably a five second pause and I like didn't want to say who I voted for.
Career Advice & Closing Remarks
00:53:09
Speaker
So I was like,
00:53:10
Speaker
uh and then he goes you vote for hillary and neither and he goes oh good man and then rolled the window back up and i was like oh i could have been shot like it just felt so weird but i judged and i was like these people are like scary and weird and hill people
00:53:28
Speaker
They made us moonshine at the end of it and get like illegal moonshine and gave it to, and I didn't know it was illegal, but my- Allegedly. Allegedly. The guy from the Army Corps was like, hey David, just so you know, one, don't go to town and meet young women because you're their ticket out of here. And I was like, that's a little rough. And he's like, yeah, but it's the truth. And then also-
00:53:51
Speaker
I wouldn't drink this man's moonshine without the knowledge of knowing that he made this in his bathtub. And I was like, that makes it kind of better. And he's like, I didn't say that, but like winked at me as he said. So I was like, yeah. So, so you CRM people out there are interested in doing CRM. You could have these experiences. You could have, you could be yelled across the site by, uh, by Foghorn Leghorn. You could fly a drone over
00:54:21
Speaker
Really cool pit houses. You can operate it yourself if you get really small and turn in like Ms. Frizzle does. You could do all these things. Just be aware. That it's a lot of sweat, a lot of sunscreen, a lot of possible rattlesnake bites, a lot of poison ivy, and a lot of nights in a hotel room being like...
00:54:45
Speaker
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00:55:04
Speaker
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00:55:21
Speaker
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00:55:49
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just do it. Listen to us, support us, become a member of the APN, send us money. If you are a single woman or a single man looking for a partner, if you rate and review the podcast, I will
00:56:04
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find you one. So rate and review the podcast. I'm not saying it's gonna be me. If you are a young person who enjoys podcasts, who wants to rate and review the podcast, I would implore that you do so. If you rate review the podcast, I will highlight you on the Life Nerds podcast page. It's about all I can offer without getting yelled at by the other two. And with that, we are out.
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Thanks for listening to a life in ruins podcast. You can follow us on Instagram and Facebook at a life in ruins podcast. And you can also email us at a life in ruins podcast at Gmail dot com. And remember, make sure to bring your archaeologists in from the cold and feed them beer. Connor, do you have a shitty joke? Shitty joke time. Wait, we really got to stop saying shitty because they're going to get it. Well, we've said it so much. He's probably given up on anything in any way. So sorry, Chris.
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Crappy joke time, crappy joke time, crappy joke time. Okay, so a friend asked me to play the part of Brutus in an upcoming play about Julius Caesar. Looked at him and I was like, you know, I'd take a stab at it.
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nice but some old republic humor i know that sound plays as cats connor's or connor's cat is licking its asshole in the corner all right and with that we're out
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This episode was produced by Chris Webster from his RV traveling the United States, Tristan Boyle in Scotland, Dig Tech LLC, Culturo Media, and the Archaeology Podcast Network, and was edited by Chris Webster. This has been a presentation of the Archaeology Podcast Network. Visit us on the web for show notes and other podcasts at www.archapodnet.com. Contact us at chris at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com.