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Afrontando la Muerte Repentina de tu Pareja: Intuición, Señales y El Plan del Alma con Natalia Spinel
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Natalia Spinel es psicóloga, coach ejecutiva y de vida, con formación en psicología transpersonal y certificación en Danza Primal. Tras la muerte repentina de su esposo Juan Carlos en 2024, después de 18 años juntos, Natalia emprendió un profundo proceso de transformación personal y familiar. Con más de 20 años de experiencia en yoga y una práctica terapéutica constante, ha encontrado en estas herramientas un sostén fundamental para atravesar el duelo y las transiciones vitales. Actualmente vive en Colombia, donde facilita círculos de mujeres y acompaña procesos de reconexión, resiliencia y redescubrimiento personal.
Conectate con Natalia por Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nataliaspinel_psicoach/
Conectate con Kendra Rinaldi https://www.griefgratitudeandthegrayinbetween.com/
En este episodio aprenderás sobre:
- Una historia de amor y una despedida premonitoria: Natalia nos lleva por el viaje de su relación con Juan Carlos, su vida como familia expatriada en Perú, y la impactante historia de cómo le escribió una hermosa carta celebrando su jubilación, la cual terminó leyendo en su funeral tan solo días después.
- La intuición como guía en medio del trauma: Cómo una claridad inexplicable y su propia intuición le permitieron a Natalia tomar decisiones médicas y logísticas cruciales (como negarse a prolongar artificialmente la vida de su esposo) en las horas más oscuras.
- Señales inexplicables y sincronicidad: El asombroso momento en que Natalia y sus hijos adivinaron los cuatro dígitos de la clave del banco de Juan Carlos al primer intento, demostrando que nuestros seres queridos siguen guiándonos.
- "El plan de tu alma" y los acuerdos espirituales: Natalia explica cómo logró evitar el papel de víctima frente a la tragedia. A través de su camino espiritual, comprendió la partida de su esposo como un "acuerdo entre almas", cediéndole el espacio necesario para que ella aprendiera su propia lección de vida: aprender a recibir amor a manos llenas.
- Herramientas para sobrevivir el día a día: El papel fundamental que jugaron la terapia psicológica y la práctica constante del yoga para darle raíz, estructura y fuerza en los momentos en que el dolor no la dejaba ni levantarse de la cama.
- Sostener el "gris en el medio": Una reflexión final increíblemente honesta sobre la dualidad del duelo, donde Natalia confiesa que, aunque es una experiencia dolorosa que no le desea a nadie, agradece profundamente los regalos invaluables y la transformación personal que esta pérdida le ha traído.
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Introduction and Theme Exploration
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And he told to go to Bogotá.
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Hola, bienvenidos al podcast Grief, Gratitude and the Gray in Between, historias de duelo gratitud. Este podcast fue creado para explorar los sentimientos de pérdida y duelo que se viven en diferentes momentos
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Here goes the episode of today. Hello
Meet Natalia Spinell: Life and Love Story
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everyone, welcome today I'm talking with Natalia Spinell, she is a and a training in psychology transpersonally, more than two decades experience in practice of well-being, like discipline, which is also a professor, and today we are talking a little bit about your life life, especially his love life, his relationship with his wife Juan Carlos and also his death of Juan Carlos. So, welcome Natalia.
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Thank you very much, Kendra. Thank you for being here. And well, let's start with the story love. How did you know Juan Carlos and you? And we're going to take you with this story love.
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Well, we met, we really met a friend in common, from the office where I worked. She told me to have a woman who would like to like her. She gave me my phone and she called me.
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leia mita lefano i memo And I so I said, we're going to have to eat and I said, well, I'm ready.
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But said, this is going to be separated with children, which had said, I already had that experience
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eo mean that was hokausa unihu in and I told him that he no, was a good friend
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Family Life and Transitions in Peru
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I was a kid, I had a kid. 33 years old and with
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And well, we the years of
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at the two years ago, also came Gabriel, we spent time with Martín, so it was Martín, Pablo and
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a e when e passamus tepu and poo martin and tora martin palu a a And it was, a to
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We had told Juan Carlos that we were going to Peru, that we were going to Peru, and they offered us a job in Peru. know that larry and li choa hocan was gay ken keniumus para perru kelsi nosiumus para peruquela live writtenian naportuna la or alympedu in yeah mean my but you no super buenportunal in hila laial rason which justta asta kal kole hielki he see who's to the he of with los cavia colle hugh k And
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Pandemic Challenges and Adaptations
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omoakcon no said a bia explod as
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here aing Colombia and then we were not leaving and then Juan Carlos started working from here and this was like all the 2020 and the 2021 yeah yeah when sofa comemo tol paintter youl baninterin tuno he started to go to Lima and we stayed here, there were a number of paros in the city and
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terrible for children of that age, being in that house when they had to be in their house. What moments, the kids? That's great question. 8 and 10, no, like 9 and 11, is like what they and bo rossa oh cho yes o it nomo noa yoi is okay okay look at the look at that okay i to some your privacy see okay no sir so noer i fancy up no yeaho but the us are in town in goleo the the listen nowfer says e sinno sounnus yuus para peru yuaninraron colleio american hi um And and
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ki went an up and the place e And I told you, at some point, I told you, why don't we go six months to learn English? e And he said, to ya lareossa cami maina andra cain nuiumus parara about a thousand years forca si ya connu surus in not lasos francisco noi vahian no soon nai And I in Lima.
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e it does a c ocomoatre simmanus And then I stayed with children during those three weeks, which like,
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oma see da lamo's achioppala soalmented toalment sa like ummo no pu better one to domi up pal tra you go wow, Colombia
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and umman acoosermano see see it perigammskin decembermento A no era como tan determinante ese tema, como que fue, era como, por lo menos el inglés era una cosa bien importante.
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at the polls here and look at look at then must guessed in yeah yaif fu And so it was. We came to Colombia, we organized a apartment and we went to Lima.
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e we aja inrel colleio saing glas in tons town eta maantte preparas And the It was, like, the, the So
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seeing They were quite well. I to know who I was going to know who I was going to know. And a I began to call everyone.
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ivaji yalima jomen say ah jamarathol muo to say, let's take a coffee, I just arrived, take a coffee, and so I met a lot of people and started my group, they received me in a very beloved group of Colombianas and little bit of a bit I met a lot of people, and I was also And it was very special and very special. So I felt that I got well. I got it easy, it was a good time. I got to rest because after I was in the United States doing everything. It's another story. I'm here to be a big deal now.
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Para mí fue un golpe durísimo, porque yo estaba feliz, feliz, feliz, feliz. didn't want to go back. I had friends, I had my life, I had my life there, and I didn't want to go back, but
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and this is quiteu okwa see joyce is asund a mystery for ume they'll beres from semeson they're just two away three steps i was to a to the premi mimerium miluro and saqueja mewai yeah they try in this if if person the annual is c i say i knew comp complete inqueenta iju aria pensha per siasson na saler raion honal they whobe the beto umera a ijo nokiia said na no this is in not cia guki domer pinto And you
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kiwa but i want to put him rest sta na move but ii e a no rubenammo mu coloian so ruben yamos eight in millanu And a and we were going to see we were going to
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viamo de aacioni you almost um We went to vacation, we went to Christmas with my siblings, we went to my parents, with Martín, and all this. this village that is like a two hours in Bogotá. We went to a club and we went to New Year's Day.
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It was something that we did a lot. yeahna koakque as iau basantti in yes he find famousus para i did but no yeahos famousus para ma yeaha ious andmaermonna cosam we mu couldos saque puscon And to
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e when to lehiruca a seop akara para sui whosiqueiorea cappuque keva said una gra aim grand cabiel cameania percuus and the
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Perdónate, hago un paréntesis ahorita estás diciendo la carta. Colombia? ¿Por qué ya querías quedarte o no?
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¿Qué fue lo que se dio? Ya tenías eso. Ya tenía relación con
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Y esa carta tiene un significado muy importante porque... a a sportcase with pula cartaka yole and india the presque case suen in tonsis kimi papa yeah it focus personas an esquichao la carpa locus andsdie e idea they soon concern if e noise so this is l in soal paint youosel elbaes staana da elbain elbein the termminos travajo give me know and know know let's korea youas lesritela carta
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And I Juan Carlos was very happy, he didn't have to leave his job, he said I'm unemployed and take alcohol and think it was the second day that we were there,
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in That morning he said, he gave Aperol and we took that Aperol between Juan Carlos, Martín and I. Imagine
Crisis and Hospitalization of Juan Carlos
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what is Aperol between three. But this was the to talk with some friends and there we were left with Martín and I.
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yeah see martiniioca monu jalo perilus you know pertibu perquelera elra mukariro movies our perle stars and tar in suija alllays suliro yara ira no e iraqo he says and thats in thesements a no and clja dark are literally our perro no ra moka yeah approachoseway he says employman raoppe bes yell so they were back mu feli area are from the super tranquilo inak customza me and bed, that was the night we slept in bed,
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we at 5 in um kaciioa must send me now i runna penlicula hoto and focus some me but speak tos for the and
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are you real hilikajula kama e eat with become skin sokiaska the quo the tall i started but afaa se alfinal ephonaerel as a sign in unak And, the Okay, okay.
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And then, well, there aia foramentary in america a is possibly a ACV, because he didn't react the side,
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He was diestro and it that
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el biahi the bogota anna poer a areaia left person scary and vihha andan the moralal say sore but eltrapa is traffic This is a doctor said no, no, no. This is an ambulance. And thanks to God, was Martín. He could go on on the car with his brothers. So,
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The three were in because there was someone with him the ambulance. We arrived here at the 4am and they in the brain.
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And this an accident before, and I had a paralysis the the the
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But I said, if that's what we have to do, we have to stay here in Colombia, we can't go to have to get apartment with a single floor and here we stayed. That was what I thought during the
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And then, was just in the clinic, I was just asking, I was asking, no, I'm going do anything to a but reup ofaratando recupera ellala olmoimento oil dis displays the tos the teambu so quattra nu sita yes that rattan re cuperla don says in Entonces para mí era como, esto no a Juan Carlos, o sea, no le puede pasar.
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El hijo Martín también estaba de acuerdo en que me
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When they the the a So, there was when we said, please, nothing, nothing, no intervention to revivir, nothing.
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berikia perque daras ten ittanta pereenia to propia you and see i lookca saaske raa recup perraion tomima or deque but i'm sorry seeing it's that and it's the and it's a conversation purpose i mean i love vto betota mean puloqueiatania labvi and said to amiga kejalia paa peral waos saado butonto no portque widifi kitar laemoiones and a said bo constance he has no is very strong and think sometimes in the goodwill of how to make the of the person, but one is thinking how to get out of my life if something happens, so wow.
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Yes, I don't understand how, but was clear. It was In it I intervention.
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And this was, well, during the day, well, there were... we were with him, I was with him all the time, he was really in and in moment, I went to bed, I went to bed, where my parents came, and I came back,
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in you know mumenta japula notef we fa in the army then the misforpa you all b and when I came back they were making a ecographie in the and doto sa inracora hererigo is tasuena yes sent nowin soul vi the
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do i vija so john then then generalpointirruza no no start with idgando suni bell said i would mu grai e yes a note And I got to sleep.
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That was the night of the 31st.
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Sí,
Coping with Loss and Final Moments
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la o a mis hijos y a Martín, yo les decía, nunca vamos a volver a ver a papá como lo conocemos.
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Y éramos todos así los cuatro llorando. and one of the
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e in your croque support where rapidedu is commo gettania geten malbunas causes come on ase wouldda peru jokeynia casippoa vi apedu butgama say eta all la casa jes lo lo amigoto no commquera si kumu guta Yes,
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So, that was my decision. Before that I but no lo sa k it says alanddo joe aki justiaia a puntaquerivi general loo cumo frielda niatesri ended upallaa in intoitionosa It was a and not
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in in inintonia con to sayer kit starwa implementer handdo tear portlar rali aquevinia de una manera fluida sigue, mira, me dio, me dio.
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Me dijo, mira, esto es verano aquí cuando estamos grabando, estoy aquí con los bolitos de
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yeah yeah yeah And were interesting things, like the key of the account, I in and
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clariy the letterhita in dollars And because, for security, he told me. And I managed the soles. And at some point, when we had some discussion, said, I'm going take my account.
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And then I took my account. titaniamiqueta e ipue paar lo soli cattanium lopue pasar ummiqueda e lo thelar And How did we do that?
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In the day that... That was the 30th, the 1st of January. so as we in primero and they need we were all together the room with my
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or killpi laqueta yout know you are a certain na onelideis in su's area movement invalus like lala animalss paolo martiniio mirando kual ivaset la lais soluan you must stress chances if We it was We put 80-40, 80-40, and 80-40 was the of them. What was the simbology of these numbers?
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so puy move li don't see you chi the quainta see you turn the qua you change a in kaa laimbolo hia those no matters It was his cell. Ah, yeah, yeah. I would have thought about the dates of some of the children. No, no. No, that it was like, we had a clear, list, that's the number, that's number. Impressional. was in
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depuman Wow. i mid alice it's free see these yeah butjaayammo ima jasaam musque k so and so this know the aron elre tael ta el primero no the heron is is in lo vialli eltanamurto in sero a in seriskyro to apartment seririsky of samurta it's no as vili e establishusessis un ni kal stays it's the soon as is you make
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So, there was a
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tounke if kis so for saudila what does it the system quios zeroos
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And then the two, that was when they were the bioethic, then they told us what was the process and all the procedures. It was cure for giving them the santos oleos. And then I was disconnected. I was all the time there. When I look back, I began reading all the books in the book. the Tibetan book of the life and the death and then all the techniques and said, ah, faltaron things but then, for example, one thing that I had wanted was to have more time with him because when the doctor told me to do it, I said, yeah and then understood that he was still there, like his soul was still there so I kind left and left and left
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be a doubt e yeah e this present and d k l e while ista i a prescomus worldmaa aa yeah and sotocommmoqueos salt day in the free And also I felt like having me like, having me like, having me like, like, like, like
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a <unk> repenting me and this ki i can come more
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But in general, I feel like I said everything I spoke, told him I told him that I didn't have anything to forgive him. It was a very beautiful thing. His children wrote in the table what they wanted to write about Star Wars, that is that they had a good trip. long life, well, very beautiful and well, they didn't want to stay for the last part but I was there and didn't get there I said I have to stay there and well, that was how he was always there and after that
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you noise so before i come up per let to see bright e as per so he was super present, super present in a thousand things and I started receiving, you know, the of gifts in that to me ella mo captain pour in in embrace na not like to that yeah like a like like ahci ahci andpress and like at The
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but butuu muire and the re muo muo muomo and Y mucha
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ya twowai per puoloinia con vi lucentia and and in And well, his... His... His... His... His and of course ah the maiari quaantto dia but sofajaim mean does sufa jaim metone eldozaerro eldoze neru a kuwaos
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ummalu those diaas peru was a sin lacrimaio need al ah valare maion keju youlucoal bs yet all of those ds forlacni masion caoona cosa chiquita yai per aimlofu imppress ande but irona cost tita in the kosakkao with fri el me el l l el pare no missquera saiakinne and ramon soto ah emo kila lesss po ijo theluummial paraedio i no sweetjo and nocomo or eta so esta sujo It was It to me to and luboarequestu ea am me
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and that these were my children, to whom also happened to me. One of the the day that he died I said, that and
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and so is a that da doni momentmento do I'm a viuda, but very strong.
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Journey through Grief and Gratitude
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well, to recognize that, to know that I was the protagonist of that moment, it was a very impressive thing. After that, he
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The misa was finally the 11th of January, it was a divine, divine, divine, with a divine music that we chose as a celebration, and it was a word, Martin said, I read it in my letter,
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Gabriel le escribió algo lerio alwa super papa tami we only took keio terminal leiandolo su carta
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Entonces era como, ¿cómo es posible que esto pase? Eh... And well,
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ah comar biams como etari anduea in a Colombia como era lo planeado, ya que él se estaba retirando, terminando de trabajar con la compañía,
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cornal tepo in a social themoagno space butlocannoiumbia pastto alawayia and in in lima So I'm going to sum it up to you. We were going to stay six months more. I was going to continue what you had decided to do, okay, okay, to finish the college of the children before they return. Okay, so you are in February, you are in what point
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anton says jaga based san perro e taaa in capunto of that process, decided to return? Or did you say, we'll return or we'll leave? was that decision? The biggest lessons I've had to learn in this process has been to take decisions.
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And that was one of the biggest decisions.
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a and toma decision yes a for unala's grand decision in Nosotros nos íbamos a Y en abril algo así me senté con mis hijos y les dije, bueno, ¿qué vamos a hacer? ¿Nos vamos a quedar o nos vamos ir?
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y cada uno hizo como su evaluación con su psicólogo, yo, mi plan, o sea, mi plan era como, yo hago lo que ustedes digan, un poco, pero el psicólogo de Gabriel me dijo, fue muy sable, me dijo, bueno, si tú los estás poniendo a decidir, pues tú tienes que decidir también,
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yes for okay you la vajo pen earra asci And to start thinking about a in very wise, also said...
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e emmii with a samian colleio in san francisco k hemo scs palo mijo palo mu mu we saw youta me andeldijo a I don't want to And or we leave.
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And so we stayed for a year more, that was the plan. If Juan Carlos had been back in the 24th, we stayed for a year more.
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yeah i just saying and kalin that eram calllin that is kalin that you are big bang al satmin and and libian exactly okay okay okay and sosis e e gamoska euwe andtoos of fu a total pri semesteral with the quaroas inbu papeo papeo papeo poppeelo a the muslim baka the aka unakka so i mean a costor organic has on can in place and a Allá, nosotros ya no íbamos a
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that Juan Carlos had bought for that we had cars. Impressive. He had planned it for us, but everything worked perfectly. We had organized the kids' vacation June, that was already organized.
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We went to Colombia.
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lo que hablo mucho con ese aspecto del duelo, veces la gente piensa... you think about time, that's what happens, it's not that it's time, the pain is not linear, it's time and every process is different, but the truth is that the first few months, especially situation like your partner with all this papaleo, all these things that you're doing in your situation, what moment does one have a head or time to sit and, really, feel the emotions of pain,
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Ya tenías a
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Pues mira, el yoga ha sido una cosa que acompañado todo el tiempo, todo tiempo mis transiciones, de ir a Estados Unidos, de ir a Lima.
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Yoga
Healing through Yoga
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siempre presente porque me da raíz. e in and during the duel during the first semester I did all the time I did yoga second semester was like enredada with because the class where I was was not like that, said And then came back to reconnect with my teacher and I remember my aunt, who was Colombia up to do.
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asia meia sign natania juuston mountainton i look you bra you stay or look at your pe para st on that a joke because she knew what important was for
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heentos praas dammenittoes per cappe yogaga taenes como is is meitasion And so And connect with Juan Carlos, and tell us a little about that. Well, I don't know all the time,
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no la estaba haciendo en la casa, pick of the pose, la punta de la postura, the pick of the pose, y en ese momento yo estaba en Shavasana,
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And of course, came a message, you were accompanied the peak of career, now is the time to reach your peak. That was like that. That was his message, that was peak of the post. That was...
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it' a whereman sahea is mequa the pick of the post if if we It was one of those messages. And say I very much.
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In the dreams he appeared, I don't remember so much of the dreams, he appeared in several dreams. In him,
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a you mcardra a acostado en la cama del hospital closet ya hay algunas cosas que están cambiadas no te vas a poner bravo decía no no no de pronto yo lo veía empezar a
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in you ta in now like comparison else ahio do me And to I and I had I that he be go was that
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that first year I read many things and and impressive, book
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the roamon theo a in la youla there no al viraer case so that and from bluedo Very impressive, she was talking about her duel and A book that was also impressive, which was called What Was Ditched, which is novel, or is literature.
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But all this in the last year, all these were the books that he was reading. Sí, sí. Bueno, el de Rosa Montero no, no
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It was a very impressive thing. I was like, more wow. I was like, I was like, what are you talking about? I wanted
Books as a Source of Comfort
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to understand what I was thinking that last year.
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I found a lot of books, another that was A Corazón Abierto, also talking about death. And a book that was, for me, think the books are talking. And was like,
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what I read now and a I never read it and it's called The very important because it allowed me to my relationship with him, I didn't
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I never said why I was going to a And parked in the floor of
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per perro ora per noirra know doesnt came the me manasin no may come up poor cami no ah portcami pu perkeomi oa is comque see it's almost almost a near cap passa But, mean,
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butro But there was something that we had learned, he and many us says passup para but I pick the post, in received from in me emmi proceo a parapaindertou in newki this a physical muio or saurra a buter happening aria recivia mortu nu sal like likeantti da morqueo air c you that No
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Es una cosa impresionante. Entonces, como que por todos lados. Y a
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a beside come on so the mar prince I And in the
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basised was giving me some waiting for duke crew it changed my relationship with him, I thank him that he left me in is the lessons I have to learn mean migra mince elgra min zahiki jo reci eki to think ok in neland next unni getto captain then
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e i perro e perro perno sousakia tamos centimmo enthuss was e montrega lassosza and pe cynthth pantoloeno commodu ao know at to to it so is is a like grand experience i love you they say to my in terms job silo sallo agra c comunque see me comem be mic i'm be and como go
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I can think he gave me and say so,
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de su the so the health terminal issclo in e statement of physical but i continue load So it's like when we see fin
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It's a different process, I and please lamo fomo kuu kaa mial assume go in safe salap per inde at the ni non no oral assume go in And I feel that that's something that continues, that's a relationship that continues, he keeps appearing and keeps appearing in incredible ways. Like, I was looking for a class, I found out with the evaluation of personality that I had done
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Antes de que, o sea, para cuando íbamos ennoviarnos. ver si pasaba el examen. era porque yo iba a trabajar, yo iba a hacer un taller en eso. Ah, ya, ya, ya, ya. Y le hice una evaluación de personalidad y no la había vuelto a leer y ahora me la encontré y yo, no puede ser.
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yeahma lule yaracommo le lo o a And and it was like, reading So, like that. Or like, I found hours of art that are muchquequetanel in the is the is not only...
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etami la part i e know so lamin the the person being present, if you are present in life and with your eyes open to see those things, because a as causas no poque O sea, pueden estar mandando mensajes así, pero si de comunicación y de conexión, pero si uno no está atento, no las ve. Entonces...
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destarato is supposed lies de verdad que le cambia a uno la forma de cómo siente uno el duelo cuando tiene este tipo de creencias y de, ¿no es cierto? Le trae como cierta calma o por lo menos lo siento yo así con lo que me estás contando.
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see Yes, see you know take who can you see fa know can and in a pool of arequipes, pegachenta, no has a sound. The lodo that one bring you to. keep it so up i got cheta and sallia oh hello and the lower the way say look na i won not can not eat butro toki maer me But I to in Colombia, And
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Lo que sea que pueda ayudar en esos procesos es importante aferrarse eso, porque algo no a no no that
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and that is because I do help but it also a I and And and and
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In what I'm talking about, I feel that there is an evolution. It's like, I don't know
Transformation through Grief and Gratitude
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i go in avokcoing iago theapia associate vacielo a istciendo in I did a conanappriman e ikirotra harru fuitto masconel cuerpu kunlaakcon in yoga the and the
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incontrai recon tariccon con sigo me ma commo comes to a saysia i know he keep tacitosises capasque ke on laskeo pumos where lookkago yogi pokin dous be mula salus put castes mu cameuss and to in
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to put capes that we don't have to do. Divino, divino. So the way to contact you, those who are in Colombia or want to travel, can do it in direct, say, to say, to go to the retreat. What other ways, then, you have coaching virtual presencial?
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a I do coaching virtual. In fact, when I was in Peru, I was in Colombia. I have also in Germany, in the United States, I And to a la
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comuno sister so like local standte and you know is a la loka la caa or he says is kittan amigo somo and sorus ok ketan notan mohananami who see be sa tower um and So those are the because the things that a child, or
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I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, Because one no one is
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that, because we are growing and learning is hard. better let's keep ourselves like that.
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the loca the house and talking and keeping us there like in our place, like pano. Well, then all these other things, all this put here in the biography of the podcast, so that you can find Natalia, find out and find out how to communicate with you.
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And Natalia, like Here, we still have to talk about your own process, that's to talk about another conversation, another podcast, about your own duelo of when you had your accident at the age of 17 years. There it goes that in pause, so we'll be at it, and we'll be at it when we come out. It would be like, how do you say, the prequel, you talked about Star Wars, we'll do it like Star Wars, in the pre-academy, in the sequel.
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with that. Here, I'll close. Well, look,
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gives me for the para lo stick can sand the lookft through the and as soon as b s yes k it's the soon experience I a few in in the sagraco infinita and de cassque Agradezco haber vivido esta experiencia, pesar del dolor que ha implicado y de las dificultades.
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Los aprendizajes han sido inmensamente grandes me han hecho otra persona, entonces es eso. that is if Me encanta, gracias Natalia. Igual como el podcast aquí se llama Duelo y Gratitud, no es uno o lo otro, pueden estar entrelazados y por más de
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Juan Carlos
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Gracias por elegir escuchar el episodio de hoy. Espero que hayas podido encontrar un poco de consuelo. Si es el caso, me encantaría escribieras un comentario y que lo compartieras con alguien que creas que necesite escucharlo.
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Si acaso tú o alguien conoces tiene una historia inspiradora de su proceso de duelo y gratitud, no dudes en contactarme. De nuevo, gracias por escuchar el podcast Grief, Gratitude and the Grey in Between. Historias de duelo y gratitud.