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Darker Shades of Black Ep48 (Sunshine Review)
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In this review we follow a group of astronauts on a perilous mission to reignite our dying sun. We examine Danny Boyle's science fiction horror film Sunshine.
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Introduction to 'Sunshine' and Its Creators
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, I am back with Gianna, and today we are gonna do Sunshine. This is a science fiction film from 2007 that is considered by a lot of people one of the top 10 best science fiction films ever made. I'm sure you hard science fiction people disagree with that completely, but a lot of y'all are boring and I don't care.
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So Sunshine is one of my favorite films. I saw this with my cousin in the theater. By the way, Gianna, if you ever see this in a theater, it's it's amazing because of all the CGI effects. And when I watched it yesterday, they're not dated. It still looks really good. And I'm watching it on my 30-inch monitor. And everything still looks really good when I was watching the film. So that just speaks on there. Because a lot of these Marvel things you see coming up, they're not going to age well in 10 years. You don't see what I'm talking about. Yeah.
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But this movie is awesome. It was w written i was directed by Danny Boyle and written by Alex Garland. Alex Garland's a little bit controversial because a lot of people are upset about his film Annihilation. And he's more of a ah abstract writer-director than a hard science writer-director. So he likes to speak through symbolism, imagery, that kind of stuff. He doesn't like to spoon-feed you anything. He likes you to... look at his imagery and interpret what he's trying to tell you, and then you figure out where the story's going. However, he did not direct this. Danny Boyle did. Danny Boyle who won that Oscar for Slumdog, Millionaires, and all that kind of stuff. Very talented director, but he doesn't really do a whole lot of science fiction. I think this was the only one he did, unless you count 28 days. I guess that's science fiction, because that's a zombie thing.
Critique of 'Sunshine' and Actor Evaluations
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I had some issues with it in the third act and I tried to explain this to Gianna last night because she didn't really see an issue with it but there is some problems I had with the third. I liked it because I like science fiction horror. My only thing was with the actual guy some of the things they did with the guy and I still wanted to know what happened on the other ship which we because the only thing we learned through the story is the crew of Icarus 2 just kind of surmises what happened to Icarus 1. When you had an actual person who could have told us this. So that was kind of my thing with the movie as far as that goes. But other than that, I thought everything was great. I thought all the acting was good. I know you had commented on Chris Evans.
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before he got all yoked up. Hey, I find him to be very attractive and in this movie they downplay this attractiveness. Oh yeah, I thought he was cute from when he was like, he did a teen caper movie where they steal the s SATs. I can't remember the name of it. Was he a lot younger then? Yeah, I mean he would have been. I mean he was like like early 20s then?
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Let's see, I can look it up for you because there's ah this beautiful thing called IMDB that I'm looking at right now. So he is currently, let's see. He's got to be 40, right? He's born in 81. And he did this movie. When was it? Because he wasn't even big in this movie. He didn't get big until he did. I'm talking about physically big. So he started doing the Captain America stuff. So he did a movie in 2004 called The Perfect Score.
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I never saw that. So that was what I was saying. It was because I was in high school around that time too. So it was like a high school and like Scarlett Johansson was in it. It was pretty like the teen cast. oh She must have been. Yeah, she must have been really. Yeah. So they were all like babies in that one because he had 80, 90, 2000. Yeah. So he would have been in his twenties, right? Yeah.
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So yeah, so I had seen him then and always thought he was a good looking dude. But yeah, then he got really yoked out in Captain America. The hair bothered you, right? Yeah, well, I think they just made him. Yeah, they just kind of, they made him look disheveled a lot. Yeah. He cleans up eventually. But yeah, in the beginning, you know I didn't even recognize him at first. I was like, oh, OK. Yeah, they they make him get a
Film Comparisons and Scientific Criticism
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haircut. yeah He looks completely different. I knew the person who plays Kaneda.
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Hiroyuki Sanada, and he's Japanese-born, I think. And he plays a lot of Asian villains and all this kind of stuff. I'd seen him several times. Michelle Yeoh, of course, most people know who she is. Cillian Murphy, I think this was before he became big. Because then you get big on 28 Days. Well, he was also in one of the first Batman movies, right? He played a scarecrow. well, he was a scarecrow. But I don't think he got big from that. I thought he got big from the zombie thing.
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Oh, maybe. I know he's on a show. I think it's that Peaky Blinders is like a big show that he's been on as well. so Now Rose Byrne does not look like Rose Byrne in this movie. I mean, the Rose Byrne I knew. I only knew her really is an older woman. And in this movie, she looks completely different. yeah You know, I don't know. Maybe it's the hair. I don't know, but she's still a good actress in here. I just didn't. The real change though was Benedict Wong. Now he does a lot of, he's British and he does a lot of British stuff like Black Mirror and all that stuff. He's older and he's put on some weight since then. yeah So that's what, and I think he was also in Prometheus.
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Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think he was in Parinthius too. Parinthius was five years after this. The rest of these people I didn't know. I don't know. if you I don't know. Troy Garrity, I keep thinking I'm supposed to know him, but I i don't and don't know him. I only know him because I watched that show Ballers that The Rock was in.
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Oh, that was a while ago. And either he played like the lawyer, I think, or something. I had to look it up, because I saw him, and I was like, I know who this guy is. And then when I looked it up on IMDB, I was like, oh, OK, that's where I know I'm from. Oh, what about this guy who played Sarah, Cliff Curtis? Have you seen him before? I feel like I've seen him before, too. He looks like I've seen him, but he I like him. he's you know He's kind of stoic through the whole thing. Yeah. But he looks like I should know him, too. But I don't remember him from anything.
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you know And I don't think he's doing those silly Marvel movies now. so But he I liked him a lot. Oh, he's in the Avatar stuff. But I don't watch Avatar. But yeah, i don't I don't know. I just didn't know. Oh, he's from New Zealand. So maybe he does a lot of foreign stuff. I don't know.
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But I just thought, I thought he was really good. I liked everybody in this film, but I also liked this movie because I like smaller casts. And I know some people like a whole lot of different characters, but I actually liked, I mean, this this was kind of a good amount of people for me. You don't lose track of anybody, everybody kind of ah gels better. And I i was reading, Danny Boyle made them live together for a few weeks. So it looked realistic. Yeah, I was reading that too.
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Yeah, I thought that was kind of cool. Now that could go bad too because what if they don't like each other. Yeah, right.
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But I like this movie and I'm glad you liked it. I just wasn't sure if you were going to like it, but I knew this like this was not a traditional science fiction film. It's not like Sparrow though. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a disaster movie too though, right? Like the whole premise is that the sun is dying and that they're on a mission to go save it, right? So, I mean, I'm gonna embarrass myself a little here, but I like Armageddon. I think that's a fun movie to watch. And this is a more, I feel like this is a much more serious, but in the same vein type movie, you know what I mean? So- Well, the only thing I was thinking, the plan is to take a bomb that is, I guess,
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the size of Manhattan, or at least up the the massive Manhattan, and reignite the sun with it. Now, the problem with that is, I read a while ago that the Earth is so small in comparison to the sun, it takes a million Earths to fit inside the sun. So that means throwing Manhattan at the sun, what what is that really going to do?
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yeah And I didn't think about it then. and because i didn't When I saw this in the theater, I was like, I didn't realize the earth was so small in comparison to the sun. yeah But when you think about it like that, that's really the only thing scientific wise that bugged me about the whole thing. Because otherwise, I didn't care. But I just like the whole premise of trying to reignite the sun.
Mission Discussion and Personal Choices
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I don't know if you would have been on that mission. Hell no.
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That's got dead written all over it. Wait, wait, wait. It's humanity. You're trying to save humanity. Would would you rather not be the person saving it or you want to wait and see if the sunlight's up again? I'm not a scientist, so they're not even going to ask me to go, okay? well
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Well, at this part, we should be finding other planets to live on at this point. I mean, yeah well that's that's even harder though. that That's even got more complications to it.
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But no, I really did like this film. And I'm glad that you liked it. And I'm glad we're about to get into this. Because I really was not sure. Because I've been trying to get you to watch this for several months now. I know. I'm just, I know. I will say this though. So the other day, ladies and gentlemen, she contacted me out the blue and says, hey, do you want to record a show? I said, OK. I said, what do you want to do? And she didn't have anything in mind. She just wanted to do something.
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So I spent a couple hours trying to find you know put a list together and everything. And I put Sunshine on there just because to give me a route you know give me enough movies. So the only thing she picks is Sunshine. And I'm like, wait but we could ah we could have done that already. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's one you've mentioned many times. So I figured that's the one we should probably do.
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Oh my god. Oh and your favorite old boy that you love to slip in there every single time. I'm just trying to fill out the list because I was trying to make it as eclectic as possible for you because your tastes are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I mean I'll be honest I looked at like a couple of them and you sent me a lot of like horror ones and I was like I don't know if I want to watch horror. They're not horror. They're not horror. They're horror like split games is horror. Yeah. Oh, the wind is. I'll give you that. That's why I put it last. The wind is there. Well, I don't know why, but I started at the bottom of your list. I looked at the wind and don't breathe, and both of those were, like, horror movies. See, I thought you knew about don't breathe is not really horror, though. Oh. And then you got collateral. How dare you put a Tom Cruise movie on my list. I like that Tom Cruise movie. That Tom Cruise movie. Because he plays a hit man, and he dies. Yeah. I mean, how many times would you tell him to die?
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Oh, fuck that. Movies of 2004. I'm sorry. But he plays a hitman that dies. Tom Cruise hardly, I don't even, I think I count one hand how many times he's died. Maybe two times. So, and then plus I really liked that director, Michael Mann. I liked it. He's the guy who started Money Vice, the TV show. And then he also did the movie when that came out with Jamie Foxx and I forget the guy. He's playing Penguin and in the Batman movie. Colin Farrell. They were the tubs and the other guy. So that's all. I just put the list together because I thought you I was trying to give you an eclectic but the wind is the only reason I put the wind in in there is because all the act that it's all female cast. Oh, OK.
00:12:29
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Yeah, it's a period piece, but they're all female leads. I was trying to give you something like that that you, you know, because you want to see more female representation. I didn't know you was going to sweep it under the rug and act like a didn you put it on
Plot and Character Dynamics in 'Sunshine'
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the list.
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All right, back to the movie we're talking about, which I want to say, this is a contradiction to what you normally say, because you always say that you like when they leave things to the imagination and don't explain things all the way. But yet in this movie, you wish that they would have explained things a little bit more. So I find that i find that a unique contradiction here. Just the thing about the first ship, that's all. Because i like the fact that that ship is just floating around in space, and it's just sitting there, I want to know what happened to those people.
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yeah That's all. i I like ships. I like ghost ships. I like abandoned ships. I like things that happen the ships ah to the people in the ships. And I want to know what happened to them. Because here's the thing. Even when we go through this movie, the only people who know what happened on Icarus 1 and Icarus 2 are the crew. Nobody on Earth knows what they all went through up there.
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it's true because they couldn't send a message right we get exactly exactly so you know what's gonna happen now when on earth they're gonna have 18 million conspiracy theories about what happened on they probably already do yeah and what happened on one because remember they didn't know one was up there yeah that's my point so i just like stuff i like knowing that kind of stuff that's the only thing i just wanted to know what happened on that ship that's it All right, so we kind of touched on it, but the movie opens up with like some beautiful space shots. And we hear Silly and Murphy talking about how it's the year 2050. The sun is destabilized, basically. So the earth is kind of falling into a ah nuclear winter.
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and their whole theory is if they can put a bomb into the sun, they might be able to restabilize it. So like you said, it's the size of it's the equivalent mass of Manhattan Island. Yeah.
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And the original mission was the Icarus one. Again, I texted you and said Icarus is a really stupid name to give to a ship. If we all know our Greek mythology, they don't survive. Okay. After you told me that I didn't text you this back, but this is why they don't like for NASA. They don't like using the number 13 on anything. Yeah.
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because they believe, and these are men of science, by the way, they believe it's bad luck. Men of science who believe it's bad luck to use number 13. So that's how I felt when you told me about Icarus. It's just the name. You're trying to defy the fates because you are not dealingres you're they named it that because they want that it's like the opposite of what actually happens to Icarus and the in defiance in defiance of getting burnt up in the sun. That is correct. All right. That's why you do that i'll allow it.
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So Icarus, but that's the thing too, is they decided to go with Icarus 2 even after the first mission fails. Like that's a solid choice. So yeah, they talked about how seven years prior the Icarus 1 had a left Earth, but then never came back. They never heard from it again. So they don't know what happened. So they've decided to make a second attempt and we have a all-star crew, which again, I was really impressed with the cast. Like this is a really, really good cast.
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Although I gotta tell you, I'm thinking most of these guys back then were pretty cheap. Yeah. You knew who they were because they were character actors, but yeah they were pretty cheap. You didn't have like super, there's no Bruce Wilson here. I feel like Michelle Yeoh has been an actress for a long time though. But maybe just because she's not super popular, yeah. Yeah, and she's more known internationally than she would have been. Because remember, 10 years prior to this, she got big because she was in the um James Bond movie. Tomorrow Never Dies. yep so Oh, and then she also was good friends with Jackie Chan.
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Oh, that makes sense, because I think she's done a lot of those, yeah, like ah martial arts movies. Yeah, that's that's how she got famous, because of martial arts stuff. Yeah. But yeah, so we started with Captain Kaneda, who you said, and he's obviously the captain, the guy in charge. You've got Kappa, who's played by Cillian Murphy, who's the physicist, who's responsible for, they call they call it the payload, or the bomb, you know, for the, he's the one that's responsible for the bomb, and is obviously going to know the most about it, because he's a physicist.
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You've got Mace, my boy Chris Evans, but who is an engineer and also very like ah kind of strict protocol, right? One second. I thought you liked the Thor guy. No.
00:17:08
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ah He's too big. Oh, okay. I thought that was your guy. I thought that was the best. No, he's yoked out. He does the little romantic movies sometimes. Oh yeah, he does. But no, I'm not really that into him.
00:17:19
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Okay, just checking. And we all know Ryan Reynolds is my number one, okay? now Of course. You know who you don't like, though? I like the clean cut, you know, average white dudes. Sorry, but that's that's what I like. That's what she likes, ladies and gentlemen. It's what I married. you go Above average, but you know, clean cut.
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so we get it. ah Anyways, back to the the crew. You've got Dr. Searle, who was played by Cliff Curtis, who's like the counselor, medical person on board. Cassie's the main pilot. And then Trey is, or sorry, Cassie's Roseburn. And then Trey is Benedict Juan, who's like one of the navigators.
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And then Harvey is the communication specialist and second in command. Yeah. And then Michelle Yeoh's character Corazon, right? Is that how you say it? Corazon. Corazon? Well, maybe it's Corazon. I don't know. Is the is a botanist. I will say this, her character, a little wacky. Yeah. I'm just saying. she love like I mean, she likes plants more than humans, I feel like. I've never seen that. I thought that's usually with people like you who love these dogs and shit.
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I've never known a person who loves plants more than people. I've never, I mean, that I know of. Maybe I have and I just, I'm not aware. But that was weird to me to watch that that love affair she had with the oxygen garden. Yeah. Wow. That's true. So yeah, that's sort of like main responsibility is obviously they need to recirculate oxygen at the ship. So she's maintaining this big garden that is regenerating oxygen. Oh, by the way, no black people.
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What the fuck? Yeah, but there's Asians. Wait, wait. I mean, there's minorities, right? There's some minorities. It's not like it's a full white crew. I get i will say this ah later on Icarus. They show little clips of pictures from that crew. Black dude on that show. OK, so see, you're fine. You're good. But he got dusted. So we can't catch a break. See? Just saying. Just saying. Just want to point that out for our black audience. Thank you.
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So they're getting close to the sun and they're about to enter a communitye like a communication dead zone. So they start recording messages to send back to their family members. Cause it says basically that's like, and I think if they say it takes eight days to deliver to them or something like that, yeah I forget. It's it's a ah delay obviously to get back to earth. So Kappa is in there. It shows him like but having a hard time And he ends up taking too long and Mace is not able to send a message then because they've now passed the dead zone. So the two get in this big fight. And this is my favorite line in the movie where Cassie calls the captain and says, we have an excess of masculinity breaking out.
00:20:19
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Well, people are going to get on each other's nerves real quick. This is also what I think is odd about the male-female ratio here. Yeah. Because things happen, especially if you don't know for sure you're coming back. Yeah.
00:20:33
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So people started having feelings for other people and the on the crew. That's usually what would happen in real life. This when everybody kind of stayed busy, except for the fact that some um people don't like other people. I do feel like they allude to the fact that Kappa and Cassie have a little something going on. Like it's never confirmed, but you do see like these very tender moments between the two of them. That's true. That's true. But they never like constantly not on screen. No. And like I don't know. It's like it's more of just like a ah closeness that they don't want to like cross that line obviously because they're working together closely for years or whatever it is. Yeah. You do see an intimacy between the two of their characters. So if you've been on that ship and Craig's back here he'd have to worry about Chris Evans. I mean.
00:21:19
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If I'm on a movie set for three months with Chris Evans, he might have to hurry. So what do you think? but
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You have to be the Chris Evans, not just the lookalike. OK, so. I'm sorry, Craig. I'm looking out for you, my man. No, he doesn't listen to the podcast. or
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But after the fight happens, they send Mace to what they call the Earth Room, which is kind of interesting. So like he likes the ocean. So it simulates waves and the crashing of waves in the ocean. And it's supposed to like. It's the Star Trek holodeck.
00:21:55
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I don't watch Star Trek, so. I know, but that's where they got it from. That Star Trek made that famous because they, on each ship, or the big ships anyway, they have a holodeck where the crew can go and it'll recreate any scene or atmosphere you want. And it's how they do vacation time. Oh, okay. So yeah, so it's right. It's supposed to bring them out of the whole space thing, right? Kind of like level up their emotions, I guess. Give them the sense of- Because you go crazy thinking about it. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. Well, yeah, like years in space, right? That's just,
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Especially you, because you'd have to have things to do. yeah Like new stimuli, like every three minutes. What are you going to do up in space? hello bro yeah So maybe you're right, we shouldn't send you up to send save humanity, because you might be crazier if Mr. Icarus dude did that.
00:22:44
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Uh, I thought this was another kind of funny little scene is when after he gets, you know, earth roomed and comes down a little bit, he goes to apologize to Kappa and he walks in and Kappa starts first. He goes, do you just let me apologize? And then Chris Evans just stands there and he goes and Kappa goes, is that your apology? And he goes, yeah, it turns around. So I was like, that's kind of a funny little scene.
00:23:06
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To inform women, men have a hard time expressing their feelings to another man. I'm sorry i'm talking about like bro type stuff. And so we can only we generally only like to go so far when we have to apologize in a sincere way. So it's better to just stand in a room, have silence, and then agree we apologize and then leave. It's the manly way of doing things.
00:23:29
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Women do all different kinds of shit, but that's how men do it. We're very complicated creatures that Gianna has trouble understanding sometimes. I'll tell you a funny story and you could cut this if you want, but well, it's not going to Craig today. He was like, uh, he's like, yeah, someone at work said I had nice arms. And I was like, like, did he actually say that? He's like, well, no, he asked me about my workout routine. And I was like, so is that how dudes tell each other that they have nice bodies as they go? Yeah. What's your workout routine? but Well, yeah. Cause you don't want to make it sound like you're attracted, but you want a compliment.
00:24:04
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I'm telling you, we're cut were we're very simple, but our emotions are complicated because we don't like to exert them. yeah So that's where the complication comes from. So yeah, we have to restrain what we say because we don't want to send off the wrong image yeah and still be manly at the same time. very It's very difficult being a man. It sounds hard to be a man. like Women just let their emotions fly. you know it's It's like last episode when we had to explain to the audience about Morning Wood. you know That's a very complicated thing to talk about.
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so i don't know
00:24:41
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Anyways, back to the movie. So the crew has like a progress meeting and they discuss that the oxygen garden has actually been better than they expected. So they're all good to get to like that's I think that's the biggest worry they keep harping on in this movie is like whether they'll have enough oxygen for everyone to complete the mission and return home. We also see this and this is a cool scene as well where Cyril is like, in the it's a viewport in the ship, like where you can go look at the sun. Yeah, and my notes, because I had forgot that it was called the observation room. But until I got to that point where they actually name it, because that's later in the movie, I was just calling it the sunlight room. Because I didn't know what else to call it. But it's called the observation room so you can watch the sun through a filter so you don't go blind.
00:25:30
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Yeah, and when he first goes in there he asked the ship and they say it's at like 2% viewing level. So he asks it to go to 4% and the ship goes like that'll kill you, you can't do that. Yeah. So she tells the ship is a she by the way so so she tells him that he could tolerate 3.1% for 30 seconds.
00:25:50
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And then he does that. We'll say the way the visual effects were on this was pretty cool, because it just becomes like this incredible like burst of sunlight in the room. And you almost see the guy burning from it. like It's just so intense. And they're a lot closer to the sun than the Earth is at this point. I didn't understand the attraction of sitting there looking into the sun.
Crew Decisions and Mission Jeopardy
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The movie kind of alludes to like whatever he sees like he kind becomes kind of addicted to.
00:26:18
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Because at some point, you start to see these little sores on his face. He's been in there a lot, staring at the sun. Yeah, because his sunburned. It just becomes like an addiction. I don't get it. But I guess if you're a scientist, maybe it's something really cool. I guess. The whole team, they've been trying to figure out, or they've been talking about why the Icarus failed. Because again, nobody knows what happened. And so they're trying to not make the same mistakes that the Icarus One did. The only thing they find out is that, so they find, there's a, ah the cat, I think it was the captain, right? Pennbacker was the captain of the other ship, the first Icarus. And they do see a video where he discusses that a small meteor shower had hit the ship, but they, like that doesn't seem to be enough to like really mess it up or anything like that.
00:27:12
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And while this is all happening, they pick up a distress signal from the Icarus One. You never ever go off course for a distress signal. How many times have we learned this in movies? Are you not there to help? You have a mission to complete. Then you could go answer the distress signal. They could be dead by then. It's been seven years, OK? They can last another a year and a half or whatever it is.
00:27:36
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but
00:27:39
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Wait, wait a minute. Are you telling me that you're Captain Gianna on the SS? Fuck y'all. And you're going to tell me that every time you hear a distress that you're just going to keep on just driving? You're not going to help nobody? John, I've seen a lot of movies. Every time they answer the distress beacon, everybody dies. OK, this is what happens.
00:27:59
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It might not happen to you, though. This is what happens. You never answer the distress signal, just like you never run up the stairs when the killer is chasing you. oh That's true. like you know There's certain things you just don't do. Do you go in the woods when you hear a noise or scream to investigate that? Not without a gun. Crazy.
00:28:21
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What kind of crazy world do you live in? I'm just wondering. I mean, every time I see these movies, they hear a noise, they go investigate it. Yeah. Even if it's screaming and hearing the cutting of flesh. I wonder what that was. yeah It sounded like someone got their heart ripped out, but I don't know. See?
00:28:38
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But so this same discussion becomes a discussion on the ship of Icarus too. Do they answer the distress beacon or do they say fuck them and keep going? And the captain ultimately, the world, some people like, so Mace is very unhappy because he seems to be, like I said, very straight shooter, very, this is the mission. So he of course does not want to do it because his thing is all the mission is the utmost priority, but other people have more sympathy like you and think that they should go.
00:29:06
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rescue or at least see what's going on with the other Icarus. So the captain makes it Capa's decision as the physicist because really he's the most he says he's the most qualified one for this mission. Capa doesn't want to make the decision but basically what he comes down to is that having two bombs is better than one. Because you have two shots to restart the sun. Yeah. Yeah. Because he says he basically explains that because This is nothing like this has ever existed before. So they really don't know what's going to happen. and So his whole thing is, yeah, he'd rather have two shots at it than just one shot at it. Which makes sense. Yeah. But they decided to go rendezvous the Icarus Crafts, which again, not a good idea.
00:29:52
Speaker
And where it all goes wrong is Trey plots the course, checks it, seems like it's all good. And then we find out the ship starts to, we see some problems happening. He missed one little thing, which was readjusting the degrees of the solar panel shields. Solar panel shields. Because when they when they made the turn, the degree of the ship towards the sun changed and he forgot to do it. That's a big oops. Yeah.
00:30:19
Speaker
I mean, all the checklists you have, you got other people on there who can run through your checklist too. Yeah. And oops. I mean, what? And then you're going to get mad staring at people that you fucked up. Yeah, you fucked up, dude. You might have killed all of us. Yeah. I mean, but it just shows people are only human, right? And sometimes sometimes a mistake is a ah real fuck up.
00:30:44
Speaker
Well, that's why the captain treated them. That's why the captain treated them well with humanity. Mace wasn't hearing none of that, but the captain was because it's true. I mean, that doesn't just kill Icarus, too. That kills Earth if this mission goes bad. True. That's seven billion people. Bye bye.
00:31:03
Speaker
they can't assess the actual damage without going outside of the chip, which is you know really scary because they're so close to the sun that any direct sunlight will melt you, basically. Yep. So Captain Kaneda, obviously, is going to go, because he's a captain. And he, once a volunteer, won't allow Harvey because that's the second in command. So Mace decides, well, this is pretty funny, too. He goes, I volunteer. The kappa goes out. Yeah. so yeah
00:31:33
Speaker
I did think that was funny. That reminded me of stuff that happens when you play football. yeah When someone fucks up, they nominate the guy who fucked up to handle that detail that needs to be done.
00:31:44
Speaker
yeah But I think in Mace's mind, it's because if Kappa hadn't made that decision to go rescue Icarus, then they wouldn't have even been in this situation, right? Very true. So I think that's what he's, he just doesn't, they just don't get along. And that's his fault. However, generally, I don't think, this, I can't remember, unless the crew is really, really small, I can't remember a captain actually having to go out and do this instead of sending one subordinate.
00:32:11
Speaker
Is it more like he volunteers because he knows the danger, right? So he's gonna... take on the responsibility, I guess. True, but the reason why you never send the captain is because he has the experience to lead the crew. True, yeah. You saw what happened once he gets ah chicken fried, and then the second in command has to take over, and he was a disaster. Yeah. So that's why. He has the supposedly the years of experience to still complete the mission and make sure everybody hopefully gets back home. Yeah. If he's the one risking his own ask out there, and he dies, what happens?
00:32:45
Speaker
You're right, and that's usually, a captain is usually a captain because of their level-headedness, right? Their ability to stay calm in those types of situations and make the right decisions. That's why they're usually older men. and Because they got usually 20 years but experience under their belt to be able to figure out how to solve these problems. Although, side note, if you ever saw the movie The Martian, it's actually a woman that's in charge. Love love that movie.
00:33:07
Speaker
Anyways. Prometheus had a woman in charge, too. That's true. Prometheus had a woman in charge, too. They all died. Well, on but Martian, they didn't, OK? So 50-50. How many men driven ships have gone down in flames? You want to get a percentage there?
00:33:30
Speaker
ah But, so, you know, because once things already gone wrong and that always leads to more things going wrong, they decide to exit the ship. I love the suits in this movie too. They're like that gold, like they're really cool the way they made the ships look. They like it, really? They look really cool. They look like a big toaster oven. Yeah, I don't know. I thought they looked cool. They just didn't look, I guess I'm just used to the more sleek ones. Yeah. And these make you look real big and chubby, you know? And they're gold.
00:34:01
Speaker
that's gold That's what I thought was cool. I've never seen the gold. I've seen white and black yeah usually, but I've never seen a gold suit before. I don't even remember if they said there's a reason why they're gold. No, I don't think so.
00:34:14
Speaker
So Cassie decides to rotate the ship because she wants to give them shade while they're doing these repairs to the heat shield. And when they're as they're doing it, the ship tells them they're going to lose to communication tower. So of course, Harvey objects being the comms guy. And Cassie's like, well, we don't need them now. like Let's just you know make it safe for these guys so they don't burn to death out there. Yep.
00:34:40
Speaker
What she doesn't realize though is by doing this, the calm towers burn up and like send pieces of it into space. And one of those pieces ends up ripping through the ship more precisely in the oxygen garden. The worst place it could have hit. It starts a massive fire. Yeah. Which I'm surprised the ship doesn't alert them right away. Did you notice that? Like it doesn't say anything right away to them.
00:35:08
Speaker
That's true, there wasn't no alarms or anything. Yeah. Yeah, you're right about that. So it's kind of, I think that was kind of weird that ship is supposed to be like monitoring everything and it takes a few minutes to actually tell them that there's a fire that's, you know, breaking out. That was the ship with the female boys, right? Yeah. Maybe she was taking a powder. ah Jesus Christ. You know what I'm saying? You're not allowed to talk anymore.
00:35:31
Speaker
yeah
00:35:36
Speaker
Yeah, so obviously this is where you see Corazon get all upset. she tries She actually tries to run to the oxygen garden to save it. And you just see her like break down as it's burning up in there.
00:35:47
Speaker
telling me she's crazy. I mean, I understand. I'd be worried about the oxygen. She was upset because the plants were dying. Yeah. Not because they were losing oxygen. That's different. I would have been worried about the oxygen. She's worried about her salads burning up. But dude, this is where she's so heartless too, because a little bit later she's like talking about how if they kill three of the people on board, they can make the mission. But she wasn't referring to herself. No. See?
00:36:16
Speaker
A little wacky, just saying. So they have to figure out, you know, quick thinking what they're going to do to stop the fire. So Mace makes the decision that they release a bunch bunch of oxygen to like flash itself out. So that's what they end up doing and it completely destroys the garden. yeah But yeah, now obviously they're in ah in a situation where now they have to go to the Icarus one because they have, they do not have enough oxygen to reach the sun, let alone make it home. Right.
00:36:47
Speaker
Now, during all of this, though, the Icarus starts to take automatic control of the ship and wants to rotate itself back to minimize the, I guess, the heat on the garden itself, I think is what it is. Well, I think that's in combination, too, because it was also doing the calculations for the remaining amount of oxygen. Yeah.
00:37:09
Speaker
to get to the delivery point. So they if they kept spending more time where they were, they're burning, cause remember they have the full crew. So they're burning off the oxygen and they have no oxygen reserves. So they, she's, I guess there's an override system built into that system that the mission takes priority over everything.
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah. So the ship tries to correct itself, but by doing this, it'll obviously put those two guys outside into the sun and burn them to death. Yep. So Cassie overrides the system. And yeah I guess it like they show this to where it again is reinforcing who's for the mission. She needs two people to back up that the ship overrides the AI control. So she asked Mace to do it and he won't do it. And so Harvey ends up doing it.
00:37:55
Speaker
Because again, Mace is like the one who's that's mission above all, right? Like he tell he's like very military. He was the only one actually didn't feel like a scientist, honestly. Yeah, it's true. I don't know what he was. I don't think they actually said it. I would say they don't really say he's a scientist. I wonder if he was more of like the mission control like person on board, right? Or an engineer of some sort. Some kind. Probably engineer, I guess. But I just didn't see him as a scientist or anything. Yeah. So they're finishing up.
00:38:24
Speaker
the repair of the heat shield, and the decision is made that the ship has to correct itself. So the Captain Canada sacrifices himself to let Kappa get back into the ah spaceship.
00:38:41
Speaker
Now, stop right here. There's a point where Cyril, because he's addicted to looking at the sun, wild kumite is just about to get all chicken fried, is asking him, what do you see? Tell me what you see. Oh, that's right, yeah.
00:38:55
Speaker
I, now again, I like Sarah, but he's nutty too. Yeah. He's nutty too. The dude's about to die and you're just want to get off on your son fantasies. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I would have been Canadian. I would have said, Hey, Sarah, fuck off. And then flame on baby. But you're right in the sense of like,
00:39:16
Speaker
Obviously the captain, you know, he makes the decision to support mace and basically give his own life because mission above all, right? So again, like, yeah, losing the captain sucks because he obviously had the right mindset for something like this. True. And that was a horrible way to die. He literally got burned up. Yeah. I mean, this incinerated. There's nothing left of that dude. Yeah.
00:39:41
Speaker
So now, because he's died, they put Trey on suicide watch, because he is you know feeling like he's responsible for all of this. Well, they had to sedate him, too. He stays in the bed most of the time. But they got him doped up. Yeah, they put him in like a pod, right like an isolation pod, so that he can't hurt himself. So now, they get next to Icarus 1, and they send Cyril, Kappa, Mason, Harvey over to see what's going on.
00:40:08
Speaker
And what they find is that the ship is basically in perfect condition. like the auction The garden is, like what do you say, seven years of overgrowth, basically. Right. It's been growing the whole time.
Discovery and Survival Challenges
00:40:19
Speaker
It's just been going nuts. And the bomb still works. And there's food. And there's you know everything seems to, except it's covered in dust.
00:40:27
Speaker
Which is a creepy thing when they say all most of dust is skin dead skin cells. And I'm like, ugh. You don't think about that, right? It's true. But like you never really think about that. There's nothing you can't. You're shedding skin cells every day.
00:40:43
Speaker
Yeah. But what they do find is the ship's servers have been destroyed. And it seems like sabotage, like not like something hit them like a person actually destroyed the ship's servers. Oh, one other thing. When they first get to Icarus 1, because this is, this was a criticism, not for me, because I thought I never really, the way this movie was edited, I thought was really good. But ah some people didn't like the fact that when they go from the crew for makers two goes to one the audience us sees these quick pictures of people oh yeah yeah at the time we didn't know who they were until we find a picture of the crew that's on the wall yeah but it's really kind of creepy and haunting because we don't know there's no clue why that's happening or what they're not what they are what they refer because they're they're so quick i mean literal if you look the way and look back you missed it
00:41:34
Speaker
And it happens like four or five times as the crew is exploring the ship, until we get to that picture. And then that shows us what we were actually looking at. Yeah. As they're going through this, they find a video log from Pennback, or the former captain, who looks burnt, I guess, is the way to describe it. like He's just really like, got like he looks disfigured.
00:41:55
Speaker
He had what, the I think he liked the same thing that Sarah likes. Like got the sores and stuff. Like it's hard to tell because it's just like a video log they're watching. In the video, he talks about how they chose to scrub the mission and how they're now believing that this is God's plan, that the son is dying because that's what God wants and humanity doesn't deserve to live, which is crazy. So like I wish they would have shown a little bit of how they got to that point, right?
00:42:25
Speaker
Yeah, cause he essentially, this is kind of a paraphrase, but he says, when it's time for man to die, it's not man's place to challenge the word of God. yeah So at this point,
00:42:36
Speaker
we kind of get the feeling that because he said the crew in the recording he said the we have abandoned the mission he doesn't say why though and he just keeps on talking about God and all this kind of stuff so that's probably what you don't want to hear when you're up on a scientific mission because I'm religious to a certain extent but when you go too far you you're the first people who go crazy Do you wonder, like, is it mass hysteria? Did he, like, kill the rest of them? Like, you don't really... Like, none of that's ever explained, right? All we know is that... Yeah, because you have about the same number of crew members. So that means seven people. Yeah. Seven or eight people on that ship with them. But they never explained what actually happened on the ship. That's what I was saying. That was what I was kind of... Yeah. In my mind, I'm trying to figure out what happened. Was this a... Did they all agree to this? Yeah. You know?
00:43:26
Speaker
Well, I'd say so. So we find as they're going around, they go to the viewing room and they see basically the whole crew has been burned to death in the viewing room. Right. So, yeah, you have to wonder, did they all choose to do that? did so Were some of them forced in there? Like, what was the decision behind them deciding to just kill themselves like that?
00:43:45
Speaker
And there's nobody from the ship or Icarus one to tell. Yeah. And they don't record anything except for that one recording. Yeah. That was the only message that they said it's dated like six and a half years ago. Right. So the mission was scrub seven or seven years ago they lost comms. And then this the the metadata in the video showed six and a half years ago is when it had been recorded. Yeah.
00:44:07
Speaker
But they also make a comment that ah if Icarus 1, it was not behind Icarus 2 at the time, then everyone else would be burned alive, too, because their heat shields aren't up. Right. So as they're doing this investigating, they had airlocked from one ship to the next. And suddenly, the airlock blows away, and the two ships get disconnected. And and they they Cassie's telling him like that the it's been irreparably damaged, so they can't airlock themselves back to the Icarus One. Yeah, because it's blown apart. Basically saying that the four guys over there are dead is what's happening. Well, I mean, not necessarily dead.
00:44:50
Speaker
because they can live there because they got the plant, they got like oxygen. they got but they can't They can't get back to Icarus 2 is the problem. So Mace being like quick thinking starts looking for suits and they find one suit. And again, because he believes mission overall, he wants to send Kappa back because he's the physicist. He knows how to operate the payload.
00:45:11
Speaker
right but this is where you see the second in command who's not really you know shouldn't really be second in command because he's like well no i need to go i'm i'm the second highest officer i should be the one that goes back and it's just like okay like now you see why this guy wasn't qualified right and he was a columns officer too yeah so so they decide what they're gonna do is use the air airlock to like propel them like have they're gonna get close enough to line it up and they're gonna put kappa in the suit and then the other two are gonna well they are talking about the plan is that they all wrap themselves in like whatever shield they can it was um insulation insulation because because they're in the shade it's actually like negative 200 degrees or something outside 273 degrees celsius negative
00:46:00
Speaker
So Mase is outlining this plan, but then they say, oh, well, the airlock has to be released manually, which means someone has to, again, sacrifice themselves to do it. And they also have to go 20 meters. Oh, yeah. 20 meters. So neither Searle decides to do it. And I think we all know why, because he's probably just going to go burn himself afterwards, right?
00:46:21
Speaker
a But yeah, so so they put Kappa in the suit, and they wrap themselves in insulation, and then they shoot themselves across. But unfortunately, Kappa loses his grip on Harvey. And now what a way to go, right? To fucking freeze to death in the middle of space? Like, whew. I don't know, man. That's tough. Well, the thing is, I'm assuming you, the the breath,
00:46:49
Speaker
Because there's no air. so if if linnie Because remember, he hit the side of the ship instead of hitting the door. yeah So I'm surprised he didn't get his wind knocked out of him and just died right there. Because they're literally just holding their breath. Because what's his name? Mace. Mace tells Harvey, just exhale your air slowly. Now, that's great. But that 20 meters probably feels like 20 miles when you're in space.
00:47:16
Speaker
especially when you get like pushed out, right? You're going to like gasp or whatever. I mean, this was a bad plan, but there was no other plan. Yeah. And plus you could free. Cause when he got to, when mace got into the other back to Icarus too, his hand was frostbitten. Yeah.
00:47:31
Speaker
though. It's a horrible plan. But what else is the what of the choice? You can go with Sarah. But two sit there two of them survived. But as we just made a joke about then Cyril goes and sits in the viewing room. And as the Icarus one says, Icarus two says goodbye and leaves, he burns up in the viewing room with everybody else. See, he might be the craziest person on that crew. Yeah. Because he kind of had a death wish the whole time. Yeah.
00:47:57
Speaker
I think this is what he wanted. I don't even think he wanted to go back to Earth. I think he would have been happy to stay out there and look at the sun all day. Yeah. It's just odd to meet with him, but we don't know. We didn't really get into him. And there's not a whole lot of character development in this film. No. So we don't really get to understand their inner workings. But with him, I just thought he, I just got that, you're kind of a nuts guy, even worse than Corazon, because she's absolutely crazy, but just in a different way. Yeah. But that quiet crazy is the creepy crazy.
00:48:26
Speaker
Yeah. Well, speaking of her, we go back to her, and now she's saying, all right, well, that's two down. So basically, we kill one more, and we'll have enough oxygen left to go. So they, again, take a vote for what's best of the mission. And this time, they all agree that the life of Trey, who basically fucked them, ah is worth them all living and and delivering the payload, basically. So Captain Gianna, how would you have come down on that vote?
00:48:52
Speaker
I mean, I think it was Kappa that was like one person or entire humanity. Like, I think I know my choice. Okay. All right. I wasn't sure. You're the one who always likes to think better of people. That's a hard situation because it is true. It's like, if you save this one person and you don't deliver the payload, like what do you have to go back to? You know, then everyone dies. Like,
00:49:21
Speaker
Although I will say Cassie did not want to give her vote. No. She didn't like this. She just, she's not made of this. This is not her. So she, she did not want to give her vote. Uh, it had nothing to do with like liking Trey or anything. It's just kept murdering Trey. Yeah. Right. She didn't want it. So.
00:49:40
Speaker
They kind of take a vote, not a vote, but Mace is kind of elected to be the one that goes to do it, or ah kind of offers. yeah But when he gets in there, Trey has already slid his own wrists. He's dead, and blood's everywhere. it's It's a horrible way. I mean, there's blood everywhere. He slid his wrists wide open. Oh, he's also... in some kind of ah another like collard deck thing. And there's these blur ah birds flying around these the screen he's in. So I guess that made him feel better. I guess that's why he turned that on. Yeah.
00:50:12
Speaker
um no So again, cat like Mace blames Kappa and they get in a little bit of a fight, but they end it because they don't wanna, you know, fighting takes up oxygen. Takes up oxygen. Yeah. That's true. So we kind of go to a little bit later where Kappa is working and the AI starts to talk to him, Icarus talks to him and says, you're dying. And he's like, well, yeah, we kind of know that, but she's like, no, like,
00:50:41
Speaker
you He's like, we just need to get to the payload. And she tells him, like you don't have enough oxygen. I think she says it's what, 12 hours before they stop being able to do complex tasks. yeah And then 15 hours before simple tasks. And then I think 17 or something like that, somewhere in there and they die, but it would take 19 hours to get to the sun. And he's like. It's gonna be hard to walk too. Cause that takes energy to get up and down. And he's like, no, he's like Corazon did the math and with four of us and she goes, but there's not four, there's five. And done, done, done. No, it gets real.
00:51:16
Speaker
Now see, now that right there, if I'm with Captain Gianna and that computer sits there and tells us there's five people instead of four, yeah then then I'm worried. Because I'm like, look, we know who came up here. You know, it's not like we picked anybody up. yeah Then I'm kind of worried about what the fuck's going on or if this shit that if this ah computer's malfunctioning on me.
00:51:38
Speaker
Well, so then he asked the Icarus, like, where is this person? Or at first he says, who is the person? And she says, unknown. And then where in the viewing room? So he races in there and finds Captain Penbacher is terribly burnt, but somehow still alive.
00:51:54
Speaker
So again, we go back to like, why wasn't he part of the ones that killed themselves in the sun room? Or did he just like, once he started burning, he ran out of there. And so he's just like severely burned all over. But ah like, it's weird, right? But I think he did he feels he's doing the Lord's work. I was gonna say, did he stay alive to stop future missions? Like, is that part of it? Like, you don't know what his motivation is.
00:52:15
Speaker
He didn't know this other mission was coming. The way he looks at it, judgment's already been passed on Earth, and he's just waiting for the sun to burn out, and everybody dies. And then he'll go to heaven. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I didn't think about it that way. Yeah, that is remember, he's looking at it from a ah religious point of view. yeah The science is done. he don't go He doesn't care nothing about that. yeah All he's thinking about is he is the man who's going to usher in humanity into heaven yeah because God chose him.
00:52:43
Speaker
So now he gets in a fight with Kappa and gets sliced by a scalpel. Oh, wait. Can we just say, when we see him, they never give us a direct clean shot of him. No. They blur the inverse. Yeah, it's very blurry. Yeah. And so I don't know. I didn't really look into this. Because generally, when I review films or when I watch films, I kind of like to just kind of figure out in my own head what's going on. I'm assuming the reason why we saw it like that is because we're seeing things the way that Pennbacker sees them.
00:53:13
Speaker
Okay. And I'm also thinking the way they made it look like because when we initially see Penn back or he's laying on the floor, looking at the sun, and then he gets up and the first thing he says is to to Kappa is, are you an angel. So he was right. yeah Yeah, literally an angel to come get him. He was that's why I was sitting there.
00:53:33
Speaker
So when we're looking at him, everything's blurred, and the blinding sunlight is it's emanating behind him. So the way I'm thinking that Danny Boyle's thinking is he wanted to make this look like this is some kind of supernatural metaphysical event. And every time we see Pinbacker, that's how he sees the world. So we should look at him through his eyes. You see? It's true, because it's also very chaotic. like Not just blurry, but the camera gets very like all over the place, right? True. Whenever it's kind of on him.
00:54:02
Speaker
Right. And it's like an otherworldly kind of thing that yeah you can't understand what's going on. And that's kind of how God is supposed to, you don't know God's ways. You will never understand why he does what he does. But when I was reading the reviews about this, this is what I was talking about with the editing. A lot of people don't like this third act of this movie. yeah And a lot of it had to do with, well, ah some of it had to do with the fact that but we didn't get into a pin-backers background, but a lot of it had to do with the editing.
00:54:30
Speaker
They didn't like the fact that we had we didn't have clean, clear shots of Pinbacker, or we'd have clean, clear shots of when he's chasing people and then grabs them. Everything's all disjointed, fuzzy, blurry, out of focus, that kind of stuff. I thought it was artistically great. I liked everything about it. It does get really chaotic at the very end there when the world starts flipping around, but I liked it because I was not used to this, especially back in 2007. I've never really seen nothing like this.
00:54:56
Speaker
But it kind of freaked out a lot of people. They just kind of ah recoiled against it when they saw it back then. Now I have to ask you because he takes a slice at Kappa with the scalpel. So do you think Trey actually killed himself or that he killed Trey? I wondered that too. I wondered that because that's something we'll never know.
Mission Climax and Conclusion
00:55:15
Speaker
No. I honestly think that a pin backer killed. Yeah.
00:55:19
Speaker
to make it look like it. Because remember, we never saw a pin back or get on the ship. No. We know how he got on the ship, but we never saw him. And in that chaos, nobody paid attention to Trey either. So he could have easily just gone in there and killed him, right? Yeah. So I think he i think he killed him. I don't think. Yeah. Because I don't think Trey had the courage to. That was a violent way to go. Yeah.
00:55:43
Speaker
i don't i mean to actually i mean these slits were all up his forearm that that takes some gumption to be able to to make that happen yeah it was so bloody too it just made me think that he wasn't actually the one that killed himself so yeah but we never know because there's never even hinted at they never even visited no one even tries to figure out what happened there so But yeah, Kappa realize shit's getting real. And so he runs to the suit room and ends up getting locked in because there's like a manual lock. So pin backer pulls it and now he's trapped in there. So pin backer then heads to the server room and starts destroying the servers just like he did on his own ship. Yeah.
00:56:23
Speaker
And then we cut to Corazon is actually in her garden and she finds an actual, a deceiving that's still alive. And so she starts to call for the others and all of a sudden gets stabbed. Is it like a drill bit? Like, what was it that he used? It was like, does he use a scalpel again? Yeah, and it's like an electronic one and vibrates when you cut it open.
00:56:46
Speaker
so he stabs her right through the back all the way through and she gone okay stop right there she wanted everybody on that ship to come to her burnt oxygen because the whole room is burnt she's in yeah to see one little stupid plant growing yeah don't we got bigger problems i mean seriously what what what i'm supposed to stop what i'm doing to come see your little stupid point that again nut job she's absolutely crazy not serl crazy because he's on a different level but she's crazy well cap isn't able to actually communicate though and he lets him know that pen backers on the ship
00:57:23
Speaker
and Mace runs to the the server room and sees that they've been taking out of the coolant. And coolant is like, how do you describe coolant? It's like antifreeze, right? yeah It's like- It looks like water. It's extremely cold. And it just keeps your servers so or engines, whatever, from overheating. It's something they put in laptops. Yeah, but you can't, as a human, you can't put yourself in it for long periods of time or it will like freeze you basically.
00:57:50
Speaker
Okay, now stop right there. That was something I thought was interesting, because that also meant that Pennbacker went in there, right? No, he... I guess you're right, because how... Yeah, he had to. Yeah, you're right. And he did it... Pennbacker is the fastest dude in the world, apparently, because he got in there, pulled those things out, and then gets back up and starts going around trying to kill people again.
00:58:12
Speaker
I guess you're right, this is where this kind of doesn't make sense because wouldn't there be a way that they would have to repair them too? So like, I guess, can you just like, is there a way to take them out that is- Well, I guess you could drain the coolant. I guess that's true too, yeah. I don't know how else you would do it, unless you did what Mace did and jump in there. Yeah. But yeah, so Mace tries to go do it and when he jumps in the coolant, his leg gets stuck, right? So he can't get out of it. And therefore,
00:58:40
Speaker
basically succumbs to the freezing of you know from the coolant and everything like that. Yeah, he froze to death. And plus, his leg was penned, so he couldn't get out of there. So he's, I mean, and he'd been down in the coolant like three or four times. Yeah. But he probably knew he was going to die. Because he half his body was already frostbitten anyway. He was barely able to get up out that last day. Yeah, and he was frostbitten from going through space on you know without a suit. So like, the dude was just, yeah, it was going to happen. Yeah, he didn't have his super serum from Captain America yet.
00:59:13
Speaker
Uh, but he does it before he dies. He tells Kappa that the only way now to send the payload is to manually do it. So, I mean, basically it's saying Kappa will have to sacrifice himself to launch the payload. Right. Cause the computers are down. I don't think we hear Icarus's voice again. I'm sorry. That's how they figured out stuff was wrong is they couldn't talk to Icarus. Right. Yeah. Because she went offline because he pulled the servers out. Yeah. now So Kappa is actually, he' so he's stuck in the suit room, but he's able to use like a torch to release the airlock and get himself out. Oh, don't forget that ah Cassie's being chased by people. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Pitbacker is now got his sights set on Cassie and is chasing her around. Yep. But she manages to lock herself in somewhere and hide as well, or not lock herself in, but she finds a hiding place. So she's kind of out of his purview for a while.
01:00:09
Speaker
Because at this point, the only two crew members left alive are Kappa, Cassie, and then Crazy Pinbacker. Everybody else says, oh, there was one thing I didn't like. Apparently, I know this was just an artistic thing. There's a shot that we thatre were cut back to Corazon's body. Apparently, Pinbacker sat her up, put her Indian style, and put the little seedling in her hand. um Oh, yeah. He's a creeper creepy dude.
01:00:38
Speaker
It's just like, come on. Come on. But they made it a point to cut back to that shot so we could see her, I guess, be with her little seedling or plantling, whatever. But yeah, so Kappa escapes to the outside of the ship. So he's in a suit and he gets out of the ship and he's going to have to now go release the payload bomb.
01:01:02
Speaker
manually yeah so he gets it apart and as they're drifting apart he uses like uh his suit to fly the payload and uh and they're thrusters right it's got like thrusters on it yeah but as he hits the thrusters as it burns the ship up or starts the ship burning Cause then it takes off on on his way to the sun and then he's got to get back into Icarus one, I guess. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Icarus two. And he finds Cassie. This is a, this scene grossed me out though. Cause when they get, when he gets in this fight with Pinbagger, there's a scene where he like rips some of his skin off and it was just, oh, that I did not like that at all.
01:01:42
Speaker
she's grabbing his arm and she's, cause she's surprised too. His skin literally comes right off of his body. I don't know how, and we never find out how Penn backer didn't dive infections in all kinds of horrible diseases, but whatever kept that man alive worked. And then he's, his body though, he's still strong, but his skin is so burnt that you can literally just peel it right off. off Yeah.
01:02:07
Speaker
And there's, I mean, I don't know how Gianna was, because there's blood coming out everywhere. Yeah, I had to close my eyes on this part. I'm not good. But Cassie was just in shock. She's like, oh my god, her skin's just coming right off of him. It was gross. She probably wanted to die at that point, because she's like, I touched this thing.
01:02:24
Speaker
yeah They're able to escape from Pennbacker and Kappa is able to to get the bomb moving and they start they see the nuclear reaction begin and they just, I think, realize that they've sacrificed themselves to save the world at this point.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah, the bomb goes, it hits the sun, I guess, reignites it. yeah And then there was a thing that Kappa has said at the beginning, because Cassie, it was one of those conversations that John was talking about where they had a little private conversation. And Cassie was talking about how scared she is. And Kappa says he's not scared because he wants to see the birth of a star.
01:03:03
Speaker
And so when once that thing is launching to the sun and it's starting to blow up and the sun's coming back, we see like, it's sort of like a slow motion thing. Cap is in this, I don't know where he was, in the engine room or something, and the fire's coming and it's blowing up yeah and all of a sudden he's starting to see these lights everywhere. So it's it what he wanted. He got what he wanted. He wanted to see the birth of a star and then he ah gets incinerated and dies.
01:03:27
Speaker
But, and we didn't talk about this, in in his message back to his sister, they showed up the beginning of the movie, he told her that like he probably won't be able to talk to her for a while. So if she happens to look up and see it's a particularly sunny day, then it means they they succeeded in their mission. True. So after this, we cut down to Earth, which is winter, like it's basically pretty frozen. Yeah. And it shows what's his sister because she's watching the video. So it's taken this long, and you know, to get the video to her on earth. Right. And as her kids are playing and they walk, I guess back towards their house, you see the sun like light up the sky. Yep.
Film Reflection and Character Analysis
01:04:08
Speaker
And that's the end of the movie.
01:04:09
Speaker
So here's the thing, I know it's not hard science fiction and there was a lot of poetic license that took place here, but to me, That's the point yeah is to be creative with Kappa's message from him to his sister that she doesn't get until he's all you know fried up. yeah That's what the point is. It's not about whether the science measures up. It's about telling a compelling story. And that's why I thought you might like this because the way Danny Boyle created the story, from the beginning of it to the end,
01:04:42
Speaker
was beautiful. Yeah. I mean, it was really, really well done. There is a little problem, like I said, in the third act, but I'm just talking about overall, I thought the movie was amazingly done. Yeah. No, but like you said, the story was great. It's one of the stories I'm attracted to because I do kind of like that whole end of the world type story, you know? And it is like a good care, like you don't get a lot of backstory, but it's a good character study of like what happens when you put a bunch of people together, like in a confined space for this long.
01:05:11
Speaker
Yeah, and like you know who goes crazy and thanks God is you know it's just like it's an interesting take on how people would react in this situation. I think a lot of people have the notion that scientists are not supposed to act like regular people.
01:05:28
Speaker
but they are regular people. yeah they They may be more isolated and maybe focused on their work, or maybe not as social as regular people are, but they're still people. And when they're running their own kind, they kind of let their guards down and they start acting like normal people. Yeah.
01:05:45
Speaker
They're just different, you know? And you see this in high school when you see the guys who normally you classify as a nerd type of person who's kind of stays to themselves and doesn't really deal with people. But once they're around their own kind, what happens? All of a sudden they're normal people, you know? So I was reading that too, that a lot of people don't think that scientists, trained scientists will behave the way these people do. And they say this is about Prometheus too and every other, because they want the stoic, always logical nonsense that none of them would exert.
01:06:14
Speaker
but they expect it in their fictional characters. It's ridiculous. And you've got all these calamities happening. Your oxygen's running out. You've got a madman trying to kill people. Who the fuck's going to become? I'm not thinking come, man. I'm thinking I'm trying to save my ass.
01:06:31
Speaker
and try to get back to earth. Fuck all that calm bullshit. We say this on the show all the time. You don't know how you're going to react unless you're in that situation. Yeah. You have no clue. I don't care what it is. You don't know. There are people who rob banks for a career in this country. I've never robbed a bank in my life. But there are people who do that. So ah clearly, there's a different mindset for that guy than there is for me. You see? Absolutely, yeah.
01:06:56
Speaker
Very odd to me. But I just thought it was great. And I thought you were going to like this movie just because of the way Danny Boyle. Because he actually was reading about this. He says he probably will never do another science fiction movie again, at least to this degree. Because he said that all the CGI and stuff took the fun out of it for him as far as the creative part goes. He liked the stuff with the the actors and stuff like that. But all the special effects, because all that shit takes a lot of time.
01:07:24
Speaker
And it's ah he's just sitting around waiting for things to get done and cleared and all this kind of stuff. And it just ruined the whole creative process for him, even though a lot of people loved his work. He just didn't like the process of it. But I'm glad you liked it. Because like I said, I thought you would. I just wasn't sure. This is why I thought when Sparrow comes out, which is going to be a TV series, that you'll like that more because it's really not about the science. It's about the people.
01:07:49
Speaker
Yeah, and you're the character you like and like I'm a Santos guy, but you really liked in because I guess you could relate to her. So I don't know who you would have related it to in in this movie. Oh, yeah. Because like I said, they don't really get into the character much. We don't really know anything about any of these people. No.
01:08:07
Speaker
But yeah, I really liked it. Like I said, I thought the cinematography was really nice. Like the sweeping views of the sun and everything like that, like it all looked really nice. yeah And the overall story was just like yeah you said, like it does kind of turn into like a horror slash action movie at some point, but it's just an interesting, I like the buildup to it, right? Like I think it turned out really well. All the the female characters you liked as far as the way they were written?
01:08:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think Corzine was a little nuts, but I still think she was not totally a two-dimensional character, right? Yeah. So. I mean, I like Cassie. Yeah. I didn't like her in the beginning.
01:08:46
Speaker
when she's insulting male testosterone. But as as we see her more, as we see her more, I'm starting to like her and she's kind of growing on me. I really wasn't into Corazon because I just think she's nuts. But I generally liked everybody who was in this cast, except maybe be Harvey. I didn't like him.
01:09:08
Speaker
I'm not concerned when you're watching this because I didn't want to tell you about the horror part at the end. Yeah. So that's why I didn't say it. But then you texted me and said, so is this a horror film? Oh, we forgot to mention there was a little bit of a cheeky line in the movie where they first get on the Icarus one and they're like, should we divide and conquer? And one of them was like, haven't you ever seen Alien? That's a terrible idea.
01:09:31
Speaker
Very true. Very true. You just stay in groups, man. That's how you all dies when you separate. Exactly. And if Kat and Gianna was on there, she'd have me and 18,000 other people around her, because she's like, I need barriers between me and whatever's trying to kill me. I was like, OK. OK. All right, y'all. This is the end of the episode. Appreciate all of y'all listening to the show. Until next time, god damn it.