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Extended Clip - Has Max Allegri Lost Juventus Dressing Room after Di Maria, Chiesa & Vlahovic Controversies?
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After the recent reports in Italian media about Max Allegri having fallen out with Federico Chiesa, Dusan Vlahovic and Angel Di Maria, Carlo Garganese and Nima Tavallaey discuss what's next for Juve to salvage what can be salvaged this season focusing on if Allegri should be sacked.
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00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome
Juventus Crisis Overview
00:00:03
Speaker
to the Italian football podcast. Let's move on to Juventus, a huge, huge story that broke on Sunday. And it's not just one story either, it's a few stories that have broken over the weekend. And first of all, it started off with
00:00:23
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with Dusan Vlawovic a couple of days ago with Lastampa, and I've seen another report in Italian media today from another newspaper that backed this up, that Dusan Vlawovic is very, very unhappy with Allegri and he basically
00:00:40
Speaker
is more than considering leaving the events in the summer if Allegri stays next season because he feels like Allegri has ruined his career and is ruining his career. That was the first
Player Discontent with Allegri
00:00:51
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story. Then we had on Sunday morning, we had Gazetta, and I've forgotten the journalist her name now, it's the one that had the argument with Allegri on Saturday,
00:01:04
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but basically one of the, one of, if not the top Juventus journalists right now inside. And I've totally forgotten her name. Everyone would know. Yeah, me too. It's so annoying because I know who you're talking about. It's really annoying. Is it Fabiana? Yes, thank you.
00:01:19
Speaker
Oh, what's her name? Fabiana? Oh, never mind. Fabiana, anyway, from Gazetta. It's on the tip of my tongue. I've totally forgotten. Anyway, she reported, she came out with a story that basically Di Maria had refused to play against... Fabiana de la Valle. She's fantastic. She's got proper inside knowledge. She's got a mould in the dressing room, basically.
00:01:42
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to put it that way. De Maria refused to play when he wasn't going to be in the starting 11 against Bologna. As soon as he found out that he wasn't in the starting 11, he suddenly told the management that he had an injury and that he couldn't be on the bench. There was never an injury. He'd been training and everything.
00:02:04
Speaker
So yeah, puts her in two together, you know, make that what you think. And she wasn't the only one to sport and some others also back this up. And I've spoke to a few people as well who supported this that basically Demaria basically didn't want to play. And also is also has a bad relationship with a leg read. Then we had on on Sunday evening, after the game, our friend of the show, Adrian del Monte,
00:02:30
Speaker
who reported that Federico Chiesa is deeply unhappy with Max Allegri and is also considering leaving the club in the summer. If Allegri stays, he's unhappy with how he's been used, not being played in this correct position, just basically how he's been managed. I've known about this story for over a month, but I've had to keep quiet about it. You've probably heard me hint that I knew something about Chiesa. So I've known about this for a long time, that how unhappy he is with Allegri.
00:03:00
Speaker
So you've got three there. You've got basically the whole front line, the whole first choice front line. And just to add to that, I've also been told that I can't name who it is.
00:03:12
Speaker
I've also been sold a very senior player at the club. Oh, you know who it is. It was all over the internet yesterday. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna say if you want to say There's a very senior player at the club who who is Who is leaking who licked the Dean Maria story? But it's leaking stories to the press about his anti allegory and his and his and his leaking stories Yeah, that does not take a lot of
00:03:35
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's pretty obvious. I mean, everyone knows that you know his character, you know, you know, you know, the problems he's had with Allegry in the past as well. So he's getting bloody say it. It's all over the Internet on Twitter. See, just it's not hard to allegedly allegedly allegedly.
00:04:06
Speaker
No, but seriously though, I mean, I mean this isn't good
00:04:11
Speaker
Well, of course
Management Critique at Juventus
00:04:12
Speaker
it's not good. It turns out that you need a sporting director, you need a management, you need a CEO, you need actually to have a sochita. You can't just run a football club like you run a family business that you just opened up a little hot dog stand and selling hot dogs at the corner. No, Juventus are a big club. They need to be run professionally. They don't have any structure at that club whatsoever. They only have a coach and he's the one being hung out to drive for everything. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing by Juventus standard. What is going on?
00:04:40
Speaker
And yesterday, what was that pre-match ridiculous thing about we might not even bring in a sporting director? Seriously?
00:04:50
Speaker
What is it, what's going on in this club? Like seriously, what are you doing? Sounds like Manchester United, do you remember when that was like, we need a transfer director, we need a transfer team. You need people who run the club. Juventus have been the most organized club, whether you like them or not, like we don't need to go into all that, whether you like them or not, they have always been the most organized, well-run oiled machine in Italian football. And now there's just nothing there. There's literally nothing there.
00:05:17
Speaker
I wonder why it's happening now well gee you know the saying when when the rats when when the cats away the rats what do they say they were the cats away the mouse the mice dance on the table will hear the rats are moonwalking on the table.
00:05:33
Speaker
You know, it's ridiculous. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, that's the bigger picture. But, you know, we're talking here, we're talking here about players who are unhappy with the job of a football director to keep the players happy, to manage the piece, to do all of these things, to manage the relationships, to keep everyone happy, to keep that guy's agents happy, to keep that one's wives happy. That's what they do.
00:05:57
Speaker
That's part of the job and there's nothing there. Instead, it's just, I'll agree this, I'll agree that. What do you want him to do? He can't do all of those things. It's not his job. No, that's all true. Imagine the relationships. That is all true. You're spot on. But we're talking, I mean, in the case of certainly in the case of Vlovich and Kiesa, they're unhappy because of the way that they're being used as players and the style of football and what is going on on the pitch. We've seen
00:06:24
Speaker
But we've seen what's happened to their careers, I mean, under Allegri. I mean, they've completely, I mean, they've completely, their careers have gone completely off the rails. They've turned from, you know, two of the most exciting young players in European world football to just shells of themselves under Allegri. So, you know, you can understand why they are so unhappy in the way that they're being used to. Flauvitch, I mean, I think he needs to look a little bit in the mirror as well, as we've said before. I think there's a little bit of self reckoning there as well.
00:06:52
Speaker
With Chiesa, I think it's different. I mean, Chiesa's frustrated, but he just came back from an ACL, didn't he? I mean, he was always going to be managed slowly back after that series, and I'm happy that Allegri has done that, because he is the future star poster boy of Italian football. We've all agreed on, you know, everyone agrees on that. And I don't want him to go the Zagnolo route with another ACL, which would effectively kill his career.
00:07:17
Speaker
That's fine though, that's fine with managing his minutes, but we're talking about how he's being used positionally and he's being used, you know, health position all the time. That's another story. That's the issue, that's the issue that Kiesa has and that's why he wants to leave if Allegri stays.
00:07:33
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But yeah, it's just, it's a mess. I mean, he's clearly lost the dressing room. I mean, that there is no, there's no doubt about
Team's Performance Issues
00:07:39
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that. Well, he's not, maybe not the entire dressing room, but he's lost important sections of the dressing room. He's lost, he's lost the front line, which probably helps explain why events just just, I mean,
00:07:49
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as bad as Allegri's teams are at scoring and creating chances. I mean, it's horrific. The last eight games, they've scored five goals. And that helps explain why the attack is also, those three are underperforming. They're all three of them are in dreadful form, dreadful form, all three of them. And I just,
00:08:12
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When you lose the faith of the players, it's all over for the team in terms of getting good results and again it helps explain the terrible form.
00:08:21
Speaker
that the Juventus are in. And you know, that leads me to the conclusion with Allegri is you're not getting the results. One winning, one winning eight games and complete fruitful. You're not getting stability. So all this, it just makes a mockery of this idea when people say, oh, but Allegri is bringing stability. Well, he's the only one there. What stability is he bringing? What stability can he bring, Carlo? He's the only one there. Well, he's not bringing stability then.
00:08:44
Speaker
Well, because there's no one else there. He's the only one working. There's no one else there. He's literally, it's the nuclear bomb has gone off. He's the only one there trying to clean this mess up. They do have others in positions now. They do have others in position. It's not like they don't have a, you know, they have a chief, they have a president.
00:09:03
Speaker
It's it's no there's no there's nothing coherent there. They don't even know if they're going to be in the Syrianic season. They don't know anything. And this notion of of Allegri being the culprit for that is utterly bizarre to me. It makes no sense. I'm not saying the football. He's not doing his ability, though.
00:09:19
Speaker
He is bringing stability. He's not bringing anyone there. The whole dressing room is an instant. It's not the whole dressing room. It's, it's, it's Vauvic and Chieza and Di Maria. Di Maria has been, well, let's be honest, he doesn't even really want to be here. And the most senior member of the dressing room that is leaking storage is the best. That he's always had an argument with for the last decade.
00:09:36
Speaker
that he literally has chastised publicly in, in, in, in, in, I don't know, press conference after press conference. Come on, let's be let's have some measure. Let's be measured here. Right. The results on the pitch are, of course, he's he is to take responsibility for that as well. No, no, no, no.
00:09:55
Speaker
If your entire attack hates your guts and you've lost the dressing room, you've lost the team. You can't win with the whole attack against you. I mean, what do you want? I mean, this is the problem. Allegri's not getting the results. They've got one winning eight games and they're in free fall. He's not bringing no stability to the team when he's got so many players in the dressing room against him.
Juventus' Immediate Goals
00:10:18
Speaker
And he's not, as I've shown in recent shows, he's not getting any improvement either, you know, so there's not any kind of, oh, let's hope for the future with him, because his points average, his goals average, they're now the same as last season now, after this draw against Bologna, and they're much worse than Pirlo. So there's no improvement there that you can say, Oh, well, let's stick with this coach, because because there's an improvement there.
00:10:40
Speaker
ignoring the entire shitstorm that's happened this past year. A complete shitstorm, unprecedented, the biggest crisis in Juventus history. And we're just going to ignore that because he doesn't play like the Serbia passing in triangles. I mean, come on. No, I'm saying it totally negates the argument that's been used multiple times about you should keep Allegri because he's improving.
00:11:04
Speaker
because he brings stability. Well, you have to look at the entire picture. You have to look at the entire picture and the picture is Juventus are a complete shit show. They're a dumpster fire off the pitch and on it as well to a certain extent. But putting that all on Allegri and talking about, I don't know, that all of this is on him. Well, if you sack him, who are you going to bring in and what do you think is going to happen?
00:11:28
Speaker
That is literally the only person building from the old, the only link between the old Juve, what is the winning Juve, and this new, whatever this new Juve is, is Max Allegri. Now, I'm not saying he's going to stay there after this season. I doubt he will. I think he might be exhausted of this as well, to be perfectly honest with you, because this is not what he signed up for.
00:11:46
Speaker
Well, Calvo, the idiot, incompetent idiot, that's the chief football officer, basically confirmed him before the game. Yeah, but you know, as well as I do, that that count, I'll take that, I'll throw that as far as I can carry and throw an elephant. I don't believe anything. Well, the thing is, Nima, even if you accept, but my understanding from the people I speak to him is he has complete support of the club and they're planning to go forward next season.
00:12:12
Speaker
That's what you say good but no because it's good for you but no it's good for you but the last thing the first thing they can do is actually bring in a sporting director bring in a structure a director of football a ceo something to help you vent look towards the future cuz none of that exists right now what i'm not saying keep a leg I'm okay let him go in the summer if that's not what the new directors and the new leadership of you will want to do.
00:12:38
Speaker
But there's nothing there. The plan is the thing is that if the plan is to get rid of him or if the plan is that he's going to leave in the summer, which is hypothetical. But if that is the case and you're saying you're I mean, you you seem to be in in favor of getting rid of him in the summer anyway, it seems to I'm saying I'm saying that this cannot continue.
00:12:55
Speaker
No, what I'm saying is my focus right now is trying to salvage the rest of the season in terms of try and win that Europa League, try and win the Europa League, try and get in the top four, even if there's a points penalty, try and salvage the season by getting in the top four and trying to win the Europa League. The best hope of doing that is by sacking him and getting in the caretaker.
00:13:14
Speaker
I profoundly disagree with that because it's thanks to him, despite all the sideshow and the circus going on on the sidelines, he's got them with the number of points he's got on the pitch and he's got them
Debating Allegri's Future
00:13:26
Speaker
to the semi-final of the Europa League. I think it's thanking him at this point would be insanity. It's insanity. If people are unhappy, they'll be unhappy in June too.
00:13:38
Speaker
He's giving you that. The thing is, we know what we're getting from Allegri by keeping him. I said exactly the same thing last week. They're in freefall, Nima. They've won one in eight games. They're not in freefall. They're not in freefall. They're in bad form, like every teamwork. One win in eight games. They've got one win in eight games. The whole attack in the dressing room is against him. I mean, just bring someone in.
00:14:01
Speaker
Get someone a caretaker until the end of the season as a child. Yesterday against Bologna, he did exactly what you wanted him to do. He played a 4-3-3 that had a, what, 2.68 XG. Milik misses a penalty. Sule misses sitters. What else do you want him to do? We'll come to that. We'll come to that because Bologna had a very high XG themselves. But we'll come to that in the next segment.
00:14:19
Speaker
the point i'm making is if we you then just keep allegory you know what you're getting you've seen it in the form that they're in and you've seen the way that the players are towards him bringing bringing someone just as a caretaker to the end of season give them a joke they can't do any worse than the leg with allegory you know they can
00:14:36
Speaker
You know they can finish out of the top four and they can crash out of the top four name of this car. The difference is that Max Alegre has the experience to handle this situation and he's doing I think pretty okay job. This is hysterical this hysteria. Oh, he's unhappy. He's unhappy cancer like what I think I mean if you were run by you were fans you you never win a title.
00:14:58
Speaker
You don't win with unhappy players. You don't win when you've lost a dressing room. You'd be surprised. Lots of former legendary players have spoken, who I've interviewed through the years, off the record, talking about how many players in legendary winning teams despised each other, but they managed to put all that aside. Not just each other, but even the coach.
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, there's difference between despising a manager, but not playing for the manager and not but not trusting and believing the manager and they clearly these players don't have any faith in the manager anymore. I mean, that's obvious. These attackers have no faith in the manager. They have no trust in him, which is why they want to leave. It's nothing to do with hating them. There's a lot of man cappellos hated by most of his players. You know, there's lots of managers that have been really hated Conte as well. There's a lot of
00:15:46
Speaker
a lot of players that hate conse I mean look how we look how our players well it's not necessarily about not disliking and hating the the manager it's about do you have the faith and the trust in the manager and they they've lost it there's no no one has the players don't have the trust in the manager they bring in someone else they'll play for that manager just for a few games then in the summer try and sort out the whole mess of the club but it seems like I said from people I've spoken to he still has the support of the club
00:16:11
Speaker
And I don't just take that from the public. No, no. And that's because you believe in it. Because still, yeah. And that just goes to show that Juventus fans are lucky that Juventus is not run by them, but is run by people who look a bit who think with a cold head, with a cold head and not a hot head. And they'll do OK. They'll finish in the top four. What happens off the pitch is not Allegri's fault. If the points deductions, that is not on Max Allegri.
00:16:39
Speaker
And we'll see what he does in the Europa League. Given Roma's injuries, I wonder if they even reach the final. They're completely decimated. So we'll have to wait and see.