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070: Your money mindset
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In this episode, Mia and Dinah tap into the expertise of coach Nicole Alesios to discover how your money mindset and archetype impact your relationship with money, your habits and decisions about money management, saving, investing and outsourcing.
About Dr Nicole Alesios
Nicole is an economist, money mindset coach and speaker who is passionate about helping people to have easier money conversations through money mindset coaching and also helping them set a clear and achievable strategy that is in alignment with their unique money personality.
One of the biggest benefits of getting your life admin organised is that it can save you money, through budgeting and money monitoring, sorting out your tax and estate planning, and comparison shopping major household expenses.
But money is an area where people bring complex feelings, childhood lessons and personality traits to the decision-making. Having the right app and a process will get you most of the way there, but recognising your behaviours when it comes to money is also important.
In this bumper episode, we interview Nicole Alesios and discuss:
- the taboo that still surrounds talking about money, which can limit our financial literacy
- what your money stories and money mindset are
- the eight money archetypes Nicole uses in her work to describe your predisposition toward money.
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This is Life Admin Life Hacks, a podcast that gives you techniques, tips and tools to tackle your life admin more efficiently, to save your time, your money and improve your household harmony.
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and found it was that of a neglected boyfriend. In this episode, we interview Nicole Alessios to peer under the surface of how we think about and manage money. Hello and welcome to Life Admin Life Hacks.
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Listeners, we've hit the final episode for season seven. We're recording this in June, 2022. It's the middle of winter. I'm wearing an hoodie. It's the start of the school holidays. And Dana and I are looking forward to crawling into a cozy warm cocoon and taking a hiatus in what has been a thrilling yet hectic year. Yeah, so thanks so much for listening. And in particular, thanks to ELSE8771
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Societal Conditioning on Money
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her. And of course, we've been loving interviewing all sorts of experts on the podcast this season about different aspects of life admin and sharing their expertise with you.
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and expanding our take on how best to approach this homework of life. And today's episode is no different. One of the biggest benefits of getting your life admin organized is that it can save you money. So through things like budgeting, but also sorting out your tax and comparison shopping for major household expenses. But money is an area where people bring complex feelings, childhood lessons and personality traits to the decision making.
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Having the right apps and processes will get you most of the way there, but recognizing when your behaviors, when it comes to money is also important. So in this bumper episode, so strap in, we talked to Nicole Alessios and she reveals the taboo that still surrounds talking about money, which can really limit our financial literacy.
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what your money stories and money mindsets are and the eight money archetypes Nicole uses in her work to describe your predisposition with money. If you wonder why you behave like you do when it comes to money, this ep is for you. Nicole is an economist, money mindset coach and speaker who is passionate about helping women find their voice so they can have easier money conversations firstly with themselves
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and secondly, with their clients. Nicole supports socially minded women to have easier money conversations through money mindset coaching and also helping them set a clear and achievable strategy, which is an alignment with a unique money personality. Nicole, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really keen to chat to you about particularly like maybe we should get started on why it's hard for people to talk about money and how women in particular, you know, should value their own time more.
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That's a great question. I think it's a lot of conditioning, so societal conditioning. And for women, we've been conditioned to think that talking about money makes you greedy and perhaps less genuine. And if you're talking about money, that perhaps your intentions and your motives aren't necessarily to help people. So there's often this connotation that it has to be like one or the other. A lot of women feeling like they need to choose. So the phrase, it's not about the money.
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is something I hear about quite a lot. But I think it's important to remember that in order for it to be sustainable, in order for your work to be sustainable and impactful and inspiring other women and women that come after you, that it needs to be sustainable. And money is simply an energy that helps us to sustain that. But I believe that a certain paradigm that we're in right now wants women to think that they have to choose. And what that then leads to is women feeling like they're burnt out.
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they're exhausted, they're not making money and they can't go on anymore. So they really like what they're doing or they're enjoying their careers, but they're just exhausted, you know, feeling like they have to do it all and that they don't want to necessarily sound or be perceived as, you know, money hungry. I say it in inverted commas because that, you know, that's a bit dirty. It's not how, it's not very feminine. It's really interesting some of the, those emotions that come up when people talk about money and that this is a style conditioning in terms of people thinking it's, it's impolite.
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You know, it's not etiquette to talk about money, but it means that sometimes we grow up in households where it's not discussed. We don't have, you know, good financial literacy. It's hard to start making decisions and people don't feel empowered to manage their own money and manage their personal finances and can start making quite irrational decisions when it comes to things around their income or their expenses or other aspects of their personal finances.
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I tell you, how did you get into this actually? How did you get to be a money coach? How was money discussed when you were growing up? So I studied economics at uni and which is all about markets really and what influences people to spend and from a macroeconomic level and then down to a microeconomic level. So that was really fascinating looking at how we look at, you know, what makes people spend more and what's consumer confidence. When we see other people spending, we want to spend.
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and seeing that on a global scale playing out. So I guess consumer psychology in a way. As for how money was spoken about when I was growing up, I grew up in a Greek migrant household. So money was something that was to be respected. I heard words like money doesn't grow on trees. You've got to work hard. That's what you've got to do. It's not something my dad still says to me is, you know, it's not how much money you're making.
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it's what you're doing with it and I think you know the way I grew up was seeing my parents make really smart money decisions but also you know erring on the side of regality right because it was about survival for them really and we retain money stories and money habits and if you've come from nothing per se
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and you're all about survival, then when you have more, you don't necessarily just revert out of survival and start living abundantly. Like that also takes mindset work. The same thing if you want to make more and you don't have more. So it's interesting seeing how I grew up and my conditioning around money, and then also my privilege. You know, let's not ignore the fact that I'm a white privileged woman.
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And there's a different relationship with money there. So it's interesting observing it as a child and now observing it as an adult who studies money mindset. You know, I can still see my parents, you know, thinking that things need to be harder or working harder and they're retired, but just sort of that relationship.
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definitely is still that money relationship or that money story like that. You've got to work hard to hustle or that, you know, things won't come easy. You've got to sweat for it. It's definitely still something that I see in how they make their choices and decisions about money. If they listen to this, they'll probably be like, that's it.
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That's the powerful thing about money stories. It's these beliefs that sometimes you don't even know that you have these beliefs. And it wasn't until last year where I really leaned into all things financial and started reading about this and met you and thought about my money story and sitting back thinking, you know, what did I hear growing up about how you earned money or how important it was to save money or where money comes from? What, you know, what money is for? What is what's worth spending on?
Impact of Childhood on Financial Behavior
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It was fascinating. And I, yeah, you start to question those beliefs because they are just beliefs. You know, everyone has different ones. There's no right way. And, you know, our childhood conditioning around money is so strong. You know, so what we see our parents do, we start to absorb. And I know we're going to talk about money blocks, limiting money stories down the track. But it was really obvious to see one of my limiting money stories is definitely something that I've inherited from my parents. You know, I remember
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making great money in my business but sitting at my computer for eight hours because I felt guilty to be like I've worked three hours like that felt lazy you know to get up and then go out for coffee for the day because that's not how my parents worked you know so it was interesting being able firstly being aware of it and then being like how do I stop this like I can sense that I'm just mindlessly scrolling for the last two hours I haven't really done much you know we all sort of start to pod out or do things and I could see it I was like oh that's me resisting ease
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where that came from. It is very interesting because when I was growing up, we never talked about money at all. It was completely a taboo topic. And then as I got a bit older and I trained as an accountant, Nicole, so, you know, I guess I got quite deep into finance and got into corporate finance. And so at one point I started to help my parents with their financial affairs and all of a sudden I learned what their financial situation was. And it was like a complete surprise to me, I guess, in terms of what their financial position was and sort of knew nothing.
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And actually really it did sort of change a lot of things that I thought, you know, because once I knew more about their situation. And so it's a really interesting one of how much you talk to your kids about how much money you've got and at what age they can understand the complexity of some of these things. So I think that's also a really tricky thing to try and figure out how much to share when, when are they ready to know how much information.
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Absolutely. And the most important thing is to try, I don't have children on my own yet, I've got nieces and nephews and it's, you know, making children feel comfortable with money from a young age.
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You know, not like, oh, that's dirty. Don't touch that. You know, like, you know, sometimes you hear like my parents had a cash business. So, you know, don't like it's money, you know, that connotation like, oh, that's dirty. Don't touch coins. Go wash your hands. And yeah, it's interesting observing that looking back because at the time it doesn't feel
Women, Time, and Stress
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like anything.
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But then you go back and you're like, you know, money has this thing, like it's dirty, like our subconscious mind holds onto things without us knowing. Yeah, I was just thinking with my kids, like, it's very rare that they actually handle cash. And for them, money is so abstract because it's literally mummy waving her phone over a little console or, you know, they have their little cards that they have.
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It's such an abstract concept in some way. So that's, you know, there's a whole bunch of other challenges there in terms of them and their relationship with money. But I want to see the conversation back.
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One of the things you said just before was how women can often feel sort of burnt out. That idea that often people feel like they just have to work really hard all the time and they resist ease. They resist anything that feels easy. And I guess when we're talking about life admin, there's one of the questions we get all the time is how do you find the time to do it? And we find that women often don't value their own time. They are trying to do so much
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And they're quite reluctant to outsource, for example, get help. How can women in particular value their own time more? Well, I think it's firstly having that awareness that, you know, there's this hustle and grind culture and there's a strong association that stress equals success, right?
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If you see bump into someone in the middle of the street, how are you like, oh my goodness, this is happening. That's how you know how it is. And, you know, they're implying that they're busy and overloaded. We then respond or you respond back equally. Feel you totally get it. So we then respond with our own glorification of stress and, you know, how busy we are and how important we are. So I think first and foremost is going, what's my relationship with stress? Is stress like a badge of honor for me?
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Right? Is stress a badge of honor? And if so, why? Where did I learn that being stressed and whether, I mean, not having time, not having the luxury of time, not having space, where did I learn that that made me important? Or perhaps that made me worthy because it meant I was working hard, you know, working 12-hour days, 10 hours.
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doing this, taking the kids, doing that. Like, where did that come from? So I think firstly, it's that awareness of where did that story come from for you? And secondly, asking yourself if you want to participate in that story, right? Because it's about making conscious decisions and conscious choices. Do I want to participate in that glorification?
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of stress equals, or I call it the glorification of busy. Do I want to participate in the glorification of busy? Because I know that is actually not me leading with my soul's work. That's actually me leading with my ego. Because when I say I'm busy, people go, oh my God, she's important. Why do I need that? Because I remember saying to one of my clients, you know, what about when you bump into people? What about saying, you know, you had a nap? I'd be like, what? You know, I was like, try it. Try that awkward silence.
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I actually had a really spacious day, and just seeing what I was like, I feel horrible, I feel bad, you know, not to reciprocate with that same stress. So firstly, it's having awareness. Do you want to participate? And if the answer is no, then it's going through, okay, what can you do to not participate into that so you can value your time more?
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And firstly, it's about just starting there, I would say. I love that. And then from there going, OK, what is my value? Like, what's my intrinsic value? What am I here to do? Where where do I create impact in people's life? Like honing in on what that is and making that enough. So that means letting go like your ego is not going to like it because that means saying you're not good at other stuff. Not into that. Not good at that. Not good at that. And that can take time, you know, because you're basically saying I'm not perfect and I'm OK with that. I'm not perfect. I'm OK with that. I'm here to help people.
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with their life admin, but I'm not great over here. Like I'm actually terrible. And it's coming to that confidence and that comfort within yourself to be able to say that. But a big part of that process is identifying, you know, what are you here to do? Where do you create impact in people's lives? And just taking a moment to dive into that and making that enough.
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There's so many of these sort of decisions, like once you tap into your values and really get clear about your goals and priorities, it impacts just so many areas of your life. If you kind of try to make the direct line between that and how you spend your time and whether you outsource and your level of stress and burnout, it's worth taking that time to just ask yourself these questions and really think about it because it does have this domino effect across so many dimensions of your life.
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absolutely and once you make peace with what you do really well you start to outsource you know like i've got a bookkeeper and my clients are because i think it's funny because i teach money mindset and i should just be all over every element of my i'm like man i'm like i can be a real bottleneck in my admin business side i've got to outsource that shit like that's not my zone of genius at all i've got my bookkeeper the queen like anything's with your payments or whatever
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please don't ask me because I had my way I probably wouldn't charge I probably would invoice you every two months I'd forget so and it's okay to say that you know and I think a lot of people are like oh she teaches money mindset
Money Fears and Abundance
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I know what I do really well. And if I want consistent invoicing and stuff, I need to use technology or get a great bookkeeper and I've outsourced that. And there's no shame there. It's releasing the guilt and the shame of not knowing everything. So speaking of guilt and shame, what are some of the typical muddy fears you hear from clients? I guess it is, I'm not enough. I'm not consistent enough. I'm not good enough. It's the not enough-ness. So if I say,
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for women in business, they would say, I'm not consistent enough. I'm not consistent, I don't have a routine, I don't have an amazing funnel. They feel like there's this one thing that's missing. So they're on this perpetual cycle to perfect. Their website's not done. There's always something that makes them not ready to receive. And if I think about other women, it's, I don't have the skills.
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I have the experience. I don't have the exposure. I'm not like that. It's the not enoughness. That's definitely what I get. Like, I'm not enough to receive what I truly desire. I mean, and how does this play into money mindset? When we think we're not enough, we unknowingly block ourselves from receiving, because when you're in not enoughness, you're in a closed space. You're leading from fear.
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So I have this concert record, the receiving valve, and it's like, imagine like a big pipe going through your chest and through that comes money, love, clients, adoration, affection, attention. All of these beautiful things come from that space. Now, when you are in fear, right? So you're in not enough-ness, you think you're not good enough.
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So you start to work harder. I need to do more. I need to be more because where I am right now is not good enough. You are in like this masculine space where you're trying to control everything, right? Because in that moment, if I go, man, don't worry about it. Just like, just trust and surrender. It doesn't feel safe. You're like, no, I'm not enough. I'm not good enough. This isn't enough. That's not, I need to upskill. I need to fix my website. I need to, you know, just doesn't give out.
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our human brain enough to hold on to. So we start to try and control things, but we're starting to control things that we don't actually have an end destination. So that's when you find, you know, women can get stuck at the same salary, or their business gets stuck, or they get stuck at that same income level, or they're spending proportionately to what they're receiving. So they're always breaking even. So they might be making more money, but they think they need to spend more to get to that next level, but it's not going as planned. It's about going, okay, when I feel like I'm not enough, I'm leading from fear.
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When I'm leading from fear, that makes me not a magnet to money, right? When I'm in fear, that's a masculine energy. Like we start to lead with a masculine energy, we would like to control things. A feminine energy is when we're in surrender. You know, we're having to relax, we're in surrender and self trust. Money is a masculine energy. So if you're in your masculine energy in fear and you're trying to attract money, think of two magnets that are coming together and they're just dropping.
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So you're like, I don't get it. I'm working really hard. I'm doing all the things, but I can see it. It's out of reach. It's just not coming. And that's why. And I think a lot of women perhaps aren't taught that or perhaps aren't even aware of that. So we've got that hustle culture where women are burning themselves out and exhausting themselves, but not necessarily receiving the money that they desire and is a disconnect as to why. What do you mean my money is a masculine energy?
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Well, money's moving, right? So it's always moving. So money's like an energy. It's moving around. We're spending it. It's not designed to just stay idle and impasse. So the theory with economics is money's either being spent or invested. There's only... Unfortunately, it doesn't just sit and mount. Yes. Yeah.
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So you are spending it in the economy and generating economic activity. Now, whether you're spending it on personal pleasure and enjoyment and all of those things, or you're investing it, whether you're investing it in bricks and mortar, in online currencies, in your business, in your personal development. So money's moving like it's chasing. It's kind of primitive. It's always on the go.
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So when we want to attract it, you want to sort of lean into that feminine energy of self-trust and surrender. Easier has been done. It can be easy. I don't mean it like that. You can absolutely work on that stuff yourself. So there's no reason why you can't learn. You say that money mindset is really the idea of like living in abundance rather than coming from a place of fear. Or is there more to it?
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Yeah, the essence of it is that, and it's like your emotional relationship with money. Like what is your emotional relationship with money? And go, okay, where do I value spending? Where do I value spending? So like for me, it's not in designer handbacks.
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it's in experiences. You know, I like nice things, nice experiences. I'm not necessarily one, you know, I'd appreciate someone gave me. I got to go buy that bag. So I think first it's like, okay, where do I value spending my money? I'm making that okay. You know, because once you can, I'm okay. That's where I spend. It's them. That's like women need permission. We're thinking that we, we're taught that
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we have to perfect everything and know everything and it can get overwhelming. You start to go, Oh my God, I'm shit over here, but I'm spending here, but I'm feeling, I don't know what I'm doing and it can feel overwhelming.
Money Archetypes
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So I think it's just getting an understanding of where you value spending, like what feels good for you. And also, you know, how do you want to feel around money? Because my version of abundance is different to your version of abundance. And there's nothing wrong with that. And this is interesting because people can fall into that comparison trap, right? Of, of
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what the other people think money is for and how it should be spent. It does take a lot of integrity to just say, you know, whoa, this is what works for me. I think this is a good segue into the money archetypes because this gives people a sense of the different kinds of, you know, money personalities out there because there are very much trends and patterns that you must see a lot of that we would probably all relate to in terms of people's relationships with money and their strengths. Can you talk us through the different archetypes?
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Absolutely. So the money personalities is basically we all have a money personality profile. There are eight money personalities and our top three influence the way we like to spend, invest, receive money and give us an overall feel of our emotional relationship with money. And number one, money personality is like our natural lead, like how we like to lead and how we like to make decisions. And our two and three, it's kind of like our alternative settings. You know, when you sort of sit and reflect on a decision, you're like,
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I could do it like this or I could do it like that, that's your two and three. So they're all very different before I go into this. All the money personalities are really different and they all have the propensity to create wealth, each and every one of them.
00:23:41
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So it's not like one is better than the other. And that's why I think it's so important that we know our money personality, because it can be easy to look at what someone else is doing. That's what I see a lot of, you know, that's how they're doing it. And I'm like, that's their money personality. And I've worked with them, actually. And this is yours. And you're a polar opposite. So if you're trying to box yourself into that person's style, that person's way of working, or, you know, you're looking over the fence, which
00:24:06
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You know, for a lot of women, that's what we can do when looking for direction and guidance about money. That not enoughness that we spoke about, that's just going to get exacerbated even more. The fear is going to blow out. And that's how it sort of cycles. Each of the money personalities has a light side and a shadow side. So you can say a good and a bad if you want to simplify it. There's no such thing as bad. It's just being aware of the money troop hazards of each. So you can navigate around them.
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So I'll kick off with our accumulator money personality. So accumulator is the inner banker of the money personalities and they've got great money skills. So they monitor what's coming in and what's coming out. They're very across what they're spending and what they're investing. So the accumulator is great at making money and making great and smart investment decisions.
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They've got great integrity. People really trust them with their money. People like to receive off-the-cuff financial advice for them. They're that friend who seems to have it together in inverted commas when it comes to money. And they've got their house, they've got an investment that business is pumping along, really organized. They love detail.
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I absolutely love detail. I'm waiting for Dana to go bingo. You have a snow job. I mean, we get yours. I was just waiting for you Nicole to say that they like spreadsheets and then I was going to go there. Definitely. That's me.
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And not always, but they're often in like some kind of financial services background. Not always, but it's not uncommon for an accumulator to be in like a financial services environment. Now, the shadow side of the accumulator, sorry, they attach money to personal freedom. So they like to accumulate money.
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So if you think of like an accumulator would love to be stuffing like cash under the mattress, in their drawers, everywhere. When they've got lots of accumulation of money, they feel really safe, which is awesome. Now, when it comes to spending money, the accumulator can get very nervous because it can feel like a threat to their personal freedom. So what that means is when it's time to spend, they like to look at the detail
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Look at the value. They might shop around and shop around and shop around and shop around and get stuck in indecision and not make any decision because it doesn't feel safe. So the accumulator can resist self-trust, right? If they can't see exactly the outcome, the return on the investment, if it doesn't feel clear, they won't make a decision. And what that means is they'll say, I can do it myself. I can just do that myself. I can do that myself, or I don't need that right now. So they can forgo opportunity, right? That's the shadow of the accumulator.
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Feel free to chime in. I feel like I'm just a really logical person. So I feel like although I've definitely got some of those attributes, I also am not afraid to spend. I think probably Mia would, you know, if it's important to me, I'm definitely willing to spend in the things that I know are important to me, I think. But I do think it's interesting in terms of understanding that what's important to me might not sometimes be important to my partner. And I think that that's where it gets tricky. And he's definitely not that same money type.
00:27:04
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isn't got a financial background. So that creates interesting challenges, I think, when you're managing joint financial affairs.
00:27:11
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Absolutely. And you know, you said it sounds familiar, but might not be you. We have all of the eight money personalities within us. So everything will sound somewhat familiar, but it's about, you know, obviously there's a way to ascertain what your top three are. I've got a quiz that I know you're going to refer people to at some point, but it's got, okay, this feels familiar, but what am I top three? So everything's going to feel somewhat familiar. But you raised a really good point, Diana, when you said it's interesting how he thinks about money differently because
00:27:37
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When I work with accumulators, it's interesting how they feel that people buy or that they feel that people need information or they feel that people need a lot of time and they assume that everyone buys like they do. They don't assume impulsivity or that people don't care about the detail or that people might get overwhelmed by too much detail. I, for one, if I'm going to work with you, I don't need to see a 28-page sales page. I'm not an accumulator.
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You know, but an accumulator would love a big, long sales paid. So that's when it's important to go, okay, when we're looking at marketing, for example, or whether you're pitching at work, going, okay, who am I pitching to? Do they want detail? Or is that something that is important to me? The accumulator is one of the two broke millionaires of the money personality. So what that means is they often have deep pockets, right? So the accumulator, we said they like to accumulate money, but they can have a broke mindset. So that's when they can think in regality and
00:28:34
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just be reluctant around spending or perhaps feel like they can do it themselves and things like that. That's important. So I'm going to tell you the other broke millionaire later on, and it's the complete opposite of the accumulator. That's why. So keep an eye out for that.
00:28:47
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Next up, we have the alchemist. Your alchemist is your inner idealist. So they're really attracted to making money in unconventional ways. They're very creative, very expansive, and your alchemist is someone who sees a lot of potential. So, for example, if you're walking into a shed, an empty shed with an accumulator and an alchemist, an accumulator is going to see a leaky roof. This work needs to be done. They're going to see all the money they need to spend to harness the potential of that shed.
00:29:15
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Your alchemist, however, is going to go in there. Oh my goodness. We could use this for retreats. We could leave that out. All I need to do is, you know, paint that wall and we could get started. They've got a very genius mind when it comes to creativity. And the alchemist is a very strong manifesto. They're the most powerful manifestors of all the money personalities. So they lead with a very open receiving valve. So they're always led by love and good intentions and they're all about
00:29:42
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social impact and what's important to the community. Shadow side for the alchemist is they can have a love-hate relationship with money. So what that means is although they can attract money very quickly and very easily, probably quicker than the accumulator, they can often repel it just as quickly. And when by repel it I mean
00:30:01
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they might rush to spend it, they might rush to give it to people and cause or share it rather with people and causes closest to them. Often the reason that the alchemist can have that relationship with money is because they feel there's a bit of a negative association with wealth so they can see the world in a bit of a divide of you know
00:30:19
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You're either rich and taking advantage of people or you're poor in inverted commas, but helping. And often they don't want to be a part of that first category. So although they can attract great wealth, they repel it. So an example, everyone knows an alchemist and I'll share something. You know, if you ever met someone who, you know, you might ask to go on a holiday or you've spoken with him, they go, I can't afford that. No, I'm not, not in that position. And then next week you're like, oh yeah, they're going on a Caribbean cruise or.
00:30:47
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They're going, they're flying to Paris for a week. And you're like, that's
Archetypes: Mavericks & Nurturers
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weird. Or that's random. The outcome is when they want to do something, they call it in. So the thing is, they don't want to have more than what they need because they think it's greedy. But if they need something,
00:31:01
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they call it in. So a lot of alchemists work with me. So they'll be like, oh, I like your course. And I'll be like, yeah, they'll put a deposit down and just pay the balance, call the money in. So that was the alchemist. Mia, you're laughing. Do you have any questions? So when I did your quiz, and we'll link to the quiz in the show notes, I came out, we'll get to the connector, but I had, I think connector and alchemists were pretty close in terms of my top two. And then I had a
00:31:28
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The third was the accumulator. So yeah, as you were talking through that, there was a lot that was resonating for me. Awesome. What was resonating? Was there anything you want to share? Well, some of the things around.
00:31:40
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greediness and having too much seen creative potential in things. As he was talking about the example with the shed, I was thinking about some conversations I used to have with my ex-partner about literally things like that, where we'd walk in, he'd be like, oh, this needs fixing in that. And I'm like, oh my God, but we could do this and we could do that. It's kind of like from such different angles. I was always about the potential of something.
00:32:05
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I'm definitely looking at the whole story. Yeah, it's how you do it. So darling, you feel like a mood kill to someone like me who's helped anyone. I think that's why we work so well together because we have the opposite. Yeah, but I have a bit of that accumulator. So I think when we think about like comparison shopping, for example, and doing that research and looking at the nitty gritty and comparing options, that comes out really strongly in me. So yeah, they're all at play. It's very fascinating.
00:32:33
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What's next? So next is our celebrity. So our celebrities are in a big shot. They have this energy. So they've got this energy that everyone wants to follow and they really know the value of money. So what I mean by that is they know how to use money as a tool for status, for marketing, for brand awareness. They know and they feel good spending. So you heard me reference that there are two broke millionaires in the money personalities. One's the accumulator. Second is a celebrity.
00:33:02
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And the reason why they're the broke millionaire is because our celebrity, they've got this incredible energy that everyone wants to follow. They're very magnetic. They attract opportunity very easily and very quickly, and they're not afraid of visibility or putting themselves out there. There is also a side where they're often spending more than what they're making. Optimist spending is associated with
00:33:24
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wanting that external validation, right? Because they're always a center of attention. They want to have the nice bag. They want to have the nice clothes. They want to have all of these things, but sometimes what's being reflected on the outside isn't necessarily a grounded reflection of what's happening, you know, with their finances behind the scenes. So we refer to them as the second broke millionaire because the celebrities see opportunity, right? They see opportunity and they look like the millionaire. So they've got the millionaire mindset, but not the millionaire pockets.
00:33:57
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but they feel like you should do this and you should do that and they're not afraid of going for it and because they're making whereas as we said the accumulator's got the deep pockets but the broke mindset the celebrity's got the millionaire mindset and the I don't say shallow pockets but they're not deep pockets sorry
00:34:15
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Empty pockets. As you say, caulking through these, I've got, you know, friends are coming to mind. I'm kind of also thinking about the things you see in social media. I feel like there's going to be a lot of social media profiles that are like this.
00:34:30
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celebrity money type. So we're all just out there, out there, out there. But if you looked at their reality, it'd be quite a different story. Absolutely. But you know, remembering that when the celebrity has that, you know, if you're looking at the light of the celebrity, they know the value of money. So they're not afraid to chase big opportunities. Like they are not afraid of big numbers. They don't have that hesitancy. They're not like, who could afford that? They're like, yes, people could afford you. Yes, that's not expensive. Yes, you should go for it.
00:34:58
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So they're actually an incredible energy to have around you to expand your mindset. They're great energy to be around. And that's the value of the celebrity, you know, learning how to harness that energy. Yeah, I think it's interesting when you have a group of friends, and I think there's, you know, if you try and organize a group holiday, for example, and you've got one of those celebrity types in there who want to spend
00:35:21
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$1,000 a night on a hotel room and the rest of people don't, it can create interesting dynamics. And I'm probably the one who calls it out. I'm more likely to be the one who says, I don't think everyone wants to spend that amount of money on that. So maybe we should reconsider to something that will fit, you know, everyone's budgets rather than just your kind of aspiration. And so I can be kind of conceived as a bit of the party pooper in their minds, I think. Whereas, you know, I think it's fair and reasonable as a
00:35:49
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as a more sensible accountant type. Well, this is exactly how the money business play out, right? This is how you see it in everyday life. This is where this stuff's coming from. I would say just if we were working together, Diana, I would say how would it feel to surrender to one of those opportunities?
00:36:07
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and challenge yourself. Because you're saying, I don't want that. But it's sort of like, well, what's that if you haven't let yourself surrender to it? And sort of like tapping into that. Like there's obviously an assumption of what that is without actually stepping into it. So that's when we said how the accumulator is like, no, I like to see what I'm going to get. And I've already ascertained what I'm going to get. And I don't like it. So it's like, where is the mystery? And that would be a challenge for you potentially. Like we all want to challenge our money mindset or challenge our resistance points.
00:36:36
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okay what's something that potentially I lean into and is there something I take away from that experience and it doesn't necessarily need to be one of the super expensive ones that you practice with but you know just something that you play with and go okay.
00:36:50
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I mean, you've got a good point, but I do feel like personally, I do lean into those expensive things when they're kind of really important to me and there's the things that I value. I think the trickier thing for me is if I value it and my partner doesn't or vice versa, it's something that he really values, which I think is a waste of money. So I think that that's where it becomes tricky in navigating how you sort of compromise on those things, because I think that is probably where lots of marriages get into tricky situations around
00:37:19
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And I think financial problems are the main reason why people separate. And I do think that is around, you know, they place value in different things. So, you know, coming to that with some honesty and understanding why it is, can help those conversations. I think quite a lot. What's the next archetype? The next one is connector. So the connector is your inner relationship creator. So your connections help you to create long term relationships.
00:37:49
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And the connectors are very integrous. So she likes deep and intimate relationships. That's what they value about money. Deep and intimate relationships. They don't necessarily love money per se. They value connection and relationships more than money. Your connector is someone who doesn't want people to miss out. So they want to be inclusive. They want to share experiences with everyone.
00:38:11
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They're often at networking events, including other people, making sure no one feels left out. They've got extremely high integrity. So if you're doing business with a connector, it's a very integrismeo. I know you're number one connector.
00:38:24
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You're very integrous and people feel seen around you. So what that means is there is absolutely no judgment from a connector. So when you're in the presence of a connector, you really feel seen, heard and understood. The key for the connector is, we said from a shadow perspective, they don't necessarily like money because they value connection more so, but it's about learning how to leverage your relationships to create financial success.
00:38:49
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you know, commission sales. Is it introducing people? Like, what does that look like? How does that feel? Does that resonate? And I think that's the bit that I felt a bit uncomfortable with about this archetype. I was like, oh, that feels a bit slimy to me, to be honest. That's the feeling that comes. But, you know, bizarrely, you know, like, that's the most recent job I had was because I put myself out there on LinkedIn and it felt so gross to do it, but I did it.
00:39:16
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and something amazing came back. And so I was like, this idea of leveraging relationships, I don't know, I've got funny little hang ups about it, but yeah, it did yield results. And it's just like getting comfortable with that. It's about finding your level of comfort. So when you're, anytime you're feeling resistance,
00:39:38
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there's abundance on the other side of that resistance and you don't have to move that resistance. Like sometimes resistance can feel like a freight train. You're like, no, that's not for me. Not, you know, we've all done that, but it's about going, okay, leaning in gently into that resistance. And if you said it's about that reluctance to leverage from relationships,
Romantics & Financial Balance
00:39:56
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like
00:39:56
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What does that mean about me if I make money from relationships? I'm not genuine. I'm greedy. Like I don't want to put words out there, but what comes up and then go on. And that's it. You could scribe at the start of it, you know, talking about they like deep relationships. And so.
00:40:11
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I don't want anything to come across as transactional. I think that's where my mind goes when I think about leveraging relationships in that way. All right. Let's keep moving. What's the next archetype? The next one is maverick. You're in a rebel with a cause. So mavericks are very entrepreneurial. They don't like process. They like to break rules and they like speed and edge. So they like to do things.
00:40:34
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differently. So your maverick is really good at taking risks. They've got a soft spot for the underdog. So if they see someone who perhaps doesn't feel as confident, whether it's talking about money or talking about a skill that they have, they like to help people. So they get great satisfaction from helping others, but they like things that are edgy and fast. The other side of a maverick is they can play with or gamble with their financial security.
00:40:59
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So mavericks can dive into something, they lack variety in spontaneity and then think of the repercussions later. Now sometimes they pull it up and sometimes they don't. So there can be quite a few ebbs and flows for a maverick, whether it be in their career,
00:41:14
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or in their business. And the key for the Maverick is, you know, balancing that risk and going, okay, identifying that you have a strong appetite for risk, but then going, okay, how can I create security perhaps in one area? How can I make security not feel boring? Because that's, I'm a Maverick in my eyes and I'm a Maverick. I was going to say, God, what are you doing? It's about creating stability in one area, because sometimes stability is boring.
00:41:42
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and then go, okay, where can I play with other offers? Or where can I play with other opportunities about, you know, making money or making decisions at home or with my life that, you know, feels a bit fun and a bit different. So where can I get that hit elsewhere? Or where can I balance that hit with saying, how can I balance that feeling of variety and safety? I'm just thinking about in, you know, romantic relationships in couples, if you were with a maverick and you're another kind of, oh my God.
00:42:14
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You just want to be having some really clear conversations and getting on the same page about things because that could be a roller coaster ride that has some people hanging on for dealers. Absolutely and like Mavericks and accumulators are great together because they have that opposite and that polarity there so there is that safety from the accumulator for example where someone you know is you know dotting the I's and crossing the T's but it's also
00:42:40
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that stretch for the accumulator as well to step out and try new things. Because as we know, relationships are about compromise. So there might be a few eye rolls, but you know, there's a compromise on both parts. And then for the Maverick, there's that, oh, they said no, or they didn't think it was a good idea. Boring. But you know, there's also the element of safety that gets introduced there as well. So that can be quite an interesting union, but also it can activate a lot of money stories and resistance, which we don't often like. But
00:43:09
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so important to activate that resistance. Work through it, release it, heal it so that you can get to your next level. Yeah, fascinating. So we've got three more to go. So we've got Nurtura. So our Nurtura is our inner sponsor. I want you to think of that really maternal energy. That's the Nurtura. So she's very generous, wants to protect and shelter and nurture others. And the Nurtura appreciates money.
00:43:32
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They actually appreciate money, however, they can feel the need to overgive for everything that they receive. And back to how we were talking before, that glorification of busy. That often can come from this element here where you've got women who are very nurturing and very loving, perhaps feeling like they need to give their time, they need to give more money, they need to give whilst they're receiving.
00:43:52
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So like I said, the nurturer likes money, but they're motivated to give generously, often at the sacrifice of themselves. So for the nurturer, a lot of their self-worth comes from compassion and giving and being their other people. The key with the nurturer is you want to help people, right? That's what makes you feel good. And after you give them a girl, you know, if we're looking at their money personality, you're like,
00:44:13
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just, you know, there's no direct impact to money or business with who I am. Is that enough? And I put that in inverted commerce, that not enoughness comes up again. And I always like to say, you know, imagine when you're a child and you had that maternal energy around you, whether that came from your mother or a female guardian in your life, and you felt safe and protected. That is the gift of the nurturer. You know how to walk in and hold such deep space for people? I've got goosebumps.
00:44:42
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that whether you're in a corporate setting, or you're in a consulting setting, or you have your own business, that's what you bring to the team. And, you know, like we say, there's nothing like that maternal energy. As adults, we all have an inner child within us that often gets forgotten about, you know, we hear words about adulting and things like that. But that's not true. There's an inner child in all of us.
00:45:02
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And when there's so much fear in a child is scared too, right? We're talking about money fears. So having that nurturing energy is really powerful and really beautiful. So something that the nurturer wants to keep an eye on is yes, caring for others is important, but caring for yourself, caring for yourself first actually cares for others more. I'm going to say that again, caring for yourself first,
00:45:26
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actually cares for others more. It's the oxygen mask kind of analogy, isn't it? So I think it's a trick sometimes when it comes to money in terms of actually realizing that, you know, and I guess I work in philanthropy, it's a really interesting idea that you can actually accumulate your wealth and then use it to do good rather than feeling like you need to give it away as soon as it walks in the door. So I do think that that's, you know, it's an interesting thing that
00:45:52
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often I see men are better at doing than women. Men feel much more confident to say I'm going to grow my wealth and then I'm going to use it to help the causes that I'm passionate about, whereas women feel like they need to almost give straight away. So I think that's an interesting one. Absolutely. It's our conditioning, right? Give and nurture. Women have been conditioned to give and to nurture, whether you're
00:46:16
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you know creating a home or children that sort of that was a woman's role up until not too long ago like opportunity like there is now for women to make money you know it's not generations and eons and centuries old it's relatively new so if i asked you know everyone listening was your did your grandmother have the opportunity to be a primary breadwinner what would you say and most people would say oh no if anything she might have worked part time or something gentle
00:46:43
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She didn't necessarily hold the financial burden on her shoulders. And here we are now two generations on, and we have that opportunity, but we have that old conditioning of nurturing still there. So it's about learning to find the balance. And one thing I want to say to the nurturers listing, if this feels resonant for you and you feel like you want to help other people, when you care for yourself first,
00:47:09
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you hold your vibration really high right so you you stay out of fear so sometimes giving is actually from fear fear of not being enough so you give give give to be told thank you to be told you're amazing to be told all these beautiful things which are great
00:47:24
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but eventually don't pay the bills. So then you get frustrated and annoyed. So it's about holding your value high, not jumping to rescue people. And by not jumping to rescue people, you give people the opportunity to step up into their highest vision, into their highest version of themselves too.
00:47:42
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When it comes to kids too, I think that's a really interesting one when it comes to giving your kids money and bailing them out of problems that they create from a very early age versus letting them live the consequences of losing the item or need whatever.
00:47:58
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I'm a big believer in that one, like letting the kids learn the consequences of the actions when it comes to money in terms of developing that sense of what the value of things is and how hard it is to work to pay something back. But yeah, I think it's a really interesting one that some people just bail their kids out immediately. Absolutely.
00:48:17
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And you can apply it in, you know, workplace settings with teams, you know, like, are you picking up the slack for your team because you just want to get it done? I hear in the little nurturers, just want to get it done. And it's like, no, you don't want to hold space. If you really want to get it done, that's self-motivation. That's, that's about you. You know, you're not, you're not serving when you're doing that. You're not really helping the team because you're not actually creating opportunity for the team to grow or opportunity for the children to grow or opportunity for your client to grow.
00:48:45
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if you're just making yourself feel like you're the jack of all trades, doing everything and feeling good in that moment. So again, you can see what the challenge would be for a nurturer, letting go of that feel good hit to create space for others to rise to the occasion.
00:49:01
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Okay, so have we got two left, Nicole? Two. Let's do it. So we've got our romantic. Our romantic is out in a head in us. They're similar to the celebrity. They like sensory pleasure and they like things to feel good. They don't like being a slave to money. They believe money is there to be enjoyed. They like to indulge themselves to feel special. So romantics are great at
00:49:25
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treating themselves, spoiling themselves, where it makes them feel good. Unlike the celebrity, they're not necessarily, for example, going to the best day spa so they can tell everyone they went to that day spa. They might go up the road to the lady who does massages from home though, you know, and create luxurious experiences for them. The romantics love ease. So,
00:49:44
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So, romantics can often get a bad rap that they're lazy. But I love romantics because they will find the quickest shortcut to anything. They are great in a team setting. They'll find a shortcut. So I'm like, why are we doing all that? So if you put a romantic and an accumulator together, the accumulator is following the process meticulously.
00:50:01
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But the romantics are like, why are we doing that? We can just cut out all those four steps and go straight to the end result. So from that element, they're great. And they teach us the importance of valuing that personal pleasure and joy. I think that I think that children are romantics because they're very self-absorbed. They want to spend money on themselves generally. It's really funny, isn't it? Children are great examples of going, no, I don't want to because I don't want to.
00:50:28
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Yeah, that's what I want because it feels easy and I can't be bothered. But for adults, there's this connotation that, you know, if you lean into ease or you give yourself an afternoon nap, that who do you think you are? Like we're all here on like mice on a cheese wheel. It's okay to go for an afternoon massage. So the shadow side for the romantic is
00:50:51
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They like to spoil people and give abundant gifts and all of those things, but often their spending can be motivated from feeling unfulfilled. So that's something to keep an eye on. And yes, you can create financial security whilst living life till its fullest, but it's also about asking yourself, how can I create security and do both? Like you don't have to be just indulging yourself all the time because it can feel like a bit of a bottomless pit if you're not mindful. Yeah, that's really interesting. I'm sure lots of people can
00:51:21
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relate to that idea of, you know, retail therapy where you do go and shop to feel some kind of emotional void that you might not be quite aware of. And just, you know, spending, if you're feeling unappreciated or unloved, whether you're exhausted and you're tired and you're feeling appreciated at work or in your relationship or in your business, you know, you're getting that hit elsewhere. What can you do to tweak that? So you do feel more appreciated and more loved. Perhaps it's speaking up. Last one.
00:51:49
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Last one. The lucky last is the ruler. So the ruler is the inner empire builder. So the ruler has this dream of creating an empire where everybody is thriving. They are always on the go. They're very determined. The ruler does not sit on the sidelines. If they've got an idea, they will execute, execute at 150%. They don't wait.
00:52:12
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They jump straight in. They're very meticulous with detail, a little bit like our accumulator. They love detail. They can also be quite perfectionistic or their business and work can dominate a lot of their time. And that's because they have this strong association where their work or their business
00:52:30
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is their identity. So often for ruler, there can be an imbalance. So when we spoke about that glorification of busy and how it's like, you know, you're successful if you're busy, that's definitely a ruler, a ruler trait. And rulers, they often fear losing control of money and power and identity.
00:52:51
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So that's why they're constantly going to build, build, build more, more, more. Rula's in one of my top three, just for complete transparency here. So, you know, I can definitely, this is, she's a very strong money personality that I've had to do a lot of work on to create balance in my life. Because I used to tell myself, I just like work. I love it. I just, I like it. Like, I didn't care to work for 12 hours. Like, why is that a problem? And it took me ages to be like, oh, I'm resisting ease. Like the Rula resists ease.
00:53:21
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as well, right? Because she's working hard all the time. And there can be an imbalance between the ruler's personal life and her work or business life. So it's about having that awareness and going, okay, ruler, we know you want to create an empire where everybody thrives. We know you love the fast lane, but how sustainable is it to always be in the fast lane? Yeah, so I think I was the ruler and I let it go.
00:53:45
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I had an epiphany and let go of being a ruler. There you go. And that's, you know, that's great awareness. And it's not necessarily, it's just having awareness of where you can keep the good traits. Right. And we don't want to get rid of the other traits. The other traits are conduits to abundance. So when you're saying, you know, Diana, you let it go, you've obviously worked through going, you know what, I don't need to work that hard. I can do this. I can make money more easily. I
00:54:10
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you know, I can receive rest and relaxation and good health without feeling guilty. I don't have 1% or more. I just, this is so like, I don't know so many people who are like this. It's funny, you know, when you talk about realizing that on everyone's wide IQ, it's one of those wake up calls that I really realized, oh, people are so different. Yeah.
00:54:35
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And yeah, I mean, I think when it comes to life admin, it really helps you understand what motivates some people to be really on top of their comparison shopping and on top of all of those financial affairs and why others, you know, really struggle, I guess, to put that to the top of their priority list and being a bit aware of why you're wired in that way can really help overcome some of those challenges. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:55:00
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So, you know, just to wrap up the ruler, it's about achieving wealth with grace and ease and asking yourself, how can I create wealth and abundance in my life with grace and ease? What rules can I let go of? You know, and I've dropped a rule here, like the rule that it has to be hard. You know, what are some rules that I have to let go of or that I could let go of? You don't necessarily have to. If you're just proposing, what are some things that
00:55:26
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know, if you were to make money and create abundance with grace and these, what could that look like in this ideal world and going from there? Yeah, thank you so much for so generously walking us through those archetypes. I'm sure as people are listening, they're nodding furiously or shaking their heads as you're, as they're hearing these descriptions and realize how these tendencies and these traits play out.
00:55:51
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in everyday life. It's been wonderful listening to this. Tell us about your Money Mindset Mastery program. Yeah, of course. It was a pleasure to share all of that with you. So Money Mindset Mastery is a container where we dive into your money personality. And the idea is that you learn how to fully leverage your money personality to create a business and a life where you're creating abundance in a really easeful, organic and natural way. So it's a space for you to work through your emotional relationship,
00:56:20
Speaker
with money and we spoke about resistance points there, and also a space for you to learn how to really leverage the strengths of your money personality. Using language that feels really powerful and feels really powerful and impactful to the people that you're serving, but also powerful and impactful for you to share from. It's a form of mastermind container where we dive deep into all things money for you. That's money mindset.
00:56:47
Speaker
Well, that's amazing, Nicole. So can you just tell our listeners where they can find your website? We will put in the show notes, but you know, you can also jump onto your website and do that money personality quiz and learn about your money personality. So where should they go if they want to do that quiz? Absolutely. I spend a lot of time on Instagram. So
00:57:06
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You're welcome to come over to Instagram. It's Nicole Alessios. I'm sure you'll spell it out now. And the quiz is in my link in bio. And do your quiz, see your result, feel free to DM me. I love hearing people go, oh my God, that sounded like me, or that resonated, but that bit didn't. So happy to hear from you in DMs as well. So jump on over to Instagram. So thanks so much for being lovely chatting with you today. Thank you so much for having me. It was so awesome chatting with you, Flo.
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