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Kvicha Kvaratskhelia Quits Napoli, Juventus CRISIS, AC Milan Go Full English, Davide Frattesi - Roma? & Much More (Ep. 485)
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From in-depth analysis, discussion and post-mortem on Khvicha Kvaratskhelia transfer request amid PSG links, Antonio Conte and Napoli Scudetto charge, Inter Milan limp to win over Venezia, to Atalanta lucky not to lose to Udinese, Juventus crisis in attack continues in Torino draw, and Suercoppa hungover AC Milan go full English amid Kyle Walker and Marcus Rashford links, Lazio and Roma drop points to Como and Bologna respectively, as well as Baggio, Premface and Serie Ass of the week, plus much, much more when Nima and Carlo break down all the main talking points from Match Day 20 of the 2024/2025 Serie A season.
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Podcast Introduction
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hello everybody and Welcome to another episode of the Italian football podcast.
Serie A Weekend and Transfer News
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i'm carlo gargnasi joined as always by nimaervalli on today's show we will review the syriaat weekend as well as some huge transfer news that january market has really exploded now the biggest story is kaviche klettkay has asked to leave napoli ah mixs talks with psj c clara was left out of napoliles win on Sunday evening.
Juventus Crisis and Transfer Talks
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Juventus and Thiago Motta are in complete crisis after another draw in the Turin Derby. They are in talks to sign three players. Now Milan spoil what would have been a perfect week by drawing at home to Callery as they negotiate for
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Kyle Walker and Marcus Rashford, although only one of them will be able to join, Atalanta and Lazio also slip up.
Podcast Format and Subscriber Content
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Roma and Bologna play out a four-goal thriller, um and ah but Inter win again, as Davide Fratazzi considers leaving the club with Roma interested. and We also have our usual Beggio prem face in CEDES of the week.
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Kvaratskhelia's Transfer Saga
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00:02:35
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Okay, let's get into today's show. So only one place to start in the transfer market, Kvitche Kvaratskalia, the bombshell which Antonio Conte ah revealed at the weekend. ah He announced ahead of the their their weekend game against their Sunday game against Verona that Kvaratskalia had asked to leave the club. He was subsequently left out of the the team for that Verona game. ah PSG are in talks to sign him ah and we're looking at probably 70 million euros, 80 million euros.
00:03:15
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for Kvara Conte confirmed that he was very disappointed said he'd worked extremely hard for the for these first six months of the season that he'd actually asked to leave in the summer but they kind of convinced him to to stay and but now he has asked to to leave again. um My first reaction to this as in why it has come to this, what has gone wrong for Colorado Scalia to to leave. um For me, there's one huge reason that stands out from all the others, and it's all Napoli's fault, it's Ordo Relyor de Laurentiis' fault, it's the club's fault for not giving them that new contract. he It's actually ridiculous now that we're sitting were we're sitting here at the start of 2025, a player that joined in the summer of
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twenty twenty three 2022 sorry um and he's still on the same salary and same contract that he was when he joined the club despite him being arguably the best player or one of the two best players in the league along with Victor Ossiman where Napoli won that historic Scudetto in his first season of the club 1.5 million euros a year one of the the lowest in the Napoli squad um It's absolutely insulting. it It's disgraceful the way he's been treated by Napoli that he's still on the same contract. And also, if you look at the timeline of his contract negotiations, Napoli refused to even open talks with him for a whole year until until until until last year.
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until 2024, they refused to even open talks with him. um and so you know It was too late already by then when they opened contract negotiations. He should have been on a huge huge salary hike, new contract as soon as they won that Scudetto as reward but for for bringing him that Scudetto.
00:05:19
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It all started then, it's been handled terribly, it's been too late now what they've tried to it try to negotiate with them with a new contract and it's all come to this. So, Napoli can only blame themselves, De Laurentiis can only blame themselves for this. I really have nothing more to add um because that's exactly what happened um and that's exactly the timeline and that's exactly when this went wrong and Fuicha has been very been very well-mannered and calm, hasn't destabilized, um and he asked to leave last summer. They convinced him to stay. But then we're now in January and still no new contractors has been reached and no new, I can imagine by then it was too late.
Napoli's Contract and Team Dynamics
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um But yeah, that's exactly it. you you know this You have to understand that this isn't, Aurelio dell'Arentis has to understand and understand that the 1980s are over.
00:06:16
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both in terms of movies and in terms of football, um in the sense that it's a player's market now. You sign a contract, the the players can do this. They have that power. And he should have exactly like you said, the second they won the scurrita, they should have sat down within that summer and given him a wage hike with a wage increase and a And a contract extension, because that way the player feels more more appreciated for the for the historic things he did. But De Laurentiis literally said, well, you know, I remember it clearly. He said that, you know, the contract, the ink on the contract is not dry yet. We don't renegotiate contracts every single year. Well, congratulations.
00:06:58
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Congratulations, this is what happens. You're in the middle of a Scudetto race, you're top of the league, and the biggest biggest star remaining from that Scudetto side in your club has demanded publicly to leave. Well done.
00:07:14
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It's the 19th highest paid player in the in the Napoli squad. It's absolutely absurd and it's like you can laugh and blah blah blah and you know he's funny and this and that but this is pure sheer incompetence and he says again incompetence just like with Osseman when he when he created that mess and they ended it ended the way it did and now he ah everything he did after the school that summer when he didn't appoint a proper sporting director he missed out on Tiago Mota he you know all the things he did
00:07:46
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These are the examples that, you know, this is again the or that meme, you know, the the effects of your of your actions coming back to haunt you. And it's um it's it's on him. It is entirely on him. It was too late to do it already in the summer when he was asking to leave. They should have probably sold him in the summer, if I'm perfectly honest. But now he stayed for six months. um And I got to be honest with you, um if we look at it from the from the actual other side,
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i I don't think this harms Napoli.
Napoli's Strategy Post Player Losses
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Well, I want to come to that in a second. ah just Just staying on kind of like the blame game. um you know the the you know I don't even think it's ah a modern football problem. This is just a matter of respect. like It doesn't matter what era you're in. If it's 1970, 1990 or 2025, if you're in a football team or any sports team and you've got the best player on the team,
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who is instrumental in winning the the title, the championship for you. And it's a club like Napoli even added to that. you know This is a historic title, the first that they've won in 23 years that they'd won. you know and the the the you know this is We're talking about a world-class player here, one of the best in the world. And he plays such a pivotal role in you winning. And you know you're the 19th highest-played player in the squad, you're on McDonald's wages. And it's just a matter of respect.
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you know That's what it is. It's a matter of respect. You pay the player what he's what he deserves. you know It's not even about modern football because you know I'm very critical. I think we all we both are how money has ruined football and how you've got players on these massive set massive massive contracts. you know they're They're earning £100,000 a week. or ted you know And then and then they still want more they want more more more more greedy just complete greed and you think well What is the difference between earning say you know? 10 million a year and earning 12 million a year and they just want more more more now that is pure greed now that you know if cloud at skater was on you know 10 million a year and He won the Scudetto and he wanted 15 million a year then that you know I would have been on de la rentes's side and But we're talking about a player that is on one and a half million euros a year, is the 19th highest paid player in his own his own squad. And that is, you know, that is relatively that is McDonald's wages in football.
00:10:13
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It's just that, it's just a matter of respect and just, just you know, just pay him what he deserves, everything that he done. and And it's just a stab in the back, that is. I mean, you know, it's it's embarrassing. so So, you know, I don't blame Kvara. I'm completely on his side for leaving. He's been very patient. He's he's stayed on for another 18 months despite being humiliated and insulted in this way. He stayed on for another 18 months. I don't blame him for leaving.
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And I don't think Napoli fans should. The blame is all on your on your on your president and on the club. Yeah, um it is. I've got nothing to add to that. I think it's fairly, fairly clear. And I've seen many Napoli fans kind of say exactly that. um and and And people are going, well, if you sign a contract, you're like listen, that's cute and great. And I know the law of it. I might um actually was very good in contract law. So I know how the legality of it works. But then there's reality in real life.
00:11:07
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Please join us in the real world, in the real life. Don't defend the stupid stupidity of dell'arentis who acted like a grumpy old Shakespearean, greedy fat old man sitting there behind a desk gobbling away when he had all the power, could have fixed this problem already when he, sorry, Dickensian, and not Shakespearean,
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Dickensian factory owner sitting behind his desk, you know, but i was pointing the whole hand showing who's the boss. When you know that but when this is all on him, he could have resolved this already. Well, it's going up for the gruel. some More. and more and yeah And he's the big fat, you know, in that in the yeah no upstairs, those all those fatties around the table, you know. know But it's it's embarrassing. he he embarrasseses He embarrasses himself. I mean, he like you know, we've given lots of praise where he's where it's deserved to the Valentines for the fantastic way that he's run Napoli since taking them over and virtually.
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non-existent form and brought them to the Champions League quarter-final in Escurrito and Coppa Italia and all these other things he's done. But he also, like all human beings, has a tendency to get very arrogant and full of himself. And he did do that. And this is, again, the remnants of the stupidity post-scurrito, which this is the last, hopefully the last thing that haunts Napoli from that era, because I don't see this being repeated ever again.
Napoli's Replacement Plans
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However, on the flip side, I don't think it's all negative. I think there's many things that is all that that is actually pretty positive. Number one, barring Lobotka and Anguisa,
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the big the or you know the the main big players from that scoreto era, because most of them, other than those two who are left, heterenza more yeah more had had a more peripheral role. de lorenz as well yeah But yeah, it's fair, but he's but but I'm going to get to that. I mean, so in the sense of how important they are. But but but yeah Now they're all gone. you can really but You're really rebuilding now. Osumu's gone. Kuvara will soon be gone. Kim is gone. You know you you can really kind of freshen it out. It's all it's it's over. Now that that that is now in the pantheon.
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of Napoli legend. um Now you need to move on and you have no choice but to move on and you really do have the right perfect coach to move on in Antonio Conte. Conte you have really do have the perfect sporting project to move on because if there's anything Conte does he doesn't he's not sentimental he doesn't wait around he moves on he wants to win it's the next win immediately when he wins one trophy he's looking to the next one like that's just the kind of character he is and secondly ah
00:14:00
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it's I don't think, like um the it was a big question mark going into this season, how Kvaara would do in Antonio Conte's system. And barring becoming Player of the Month, I think it was in September, he's not been very good. He's not excelled. He's not delivering what Napoli need. And then on the other hand, you have Neresh, who looks completely on fire,
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um And you want to bring in someone to, you know, someone to work in that system with 70 million. You can play with 70, 60, 70 million, however much they get. You can play with that. You can actually do something with
Impact of Kvaratskhelia's Exit on Napoli
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that. And I know we're going to get to to what what who they should buy. But I mean, there's been talks of Chieza, there's been talks of Garnaccio. Personally, in my opinion, um I think Both Kulosevsky's agent and Konta should be moving heaven and earth for them to be working together again. I mean, Kulosevsky in a Konta system at Napoli like this would be unbelievable. And I'm sorry, but Spurs is a mid-table club. They won't win any trophies again.
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Uh, and if he wants to wither away, go right ahead. It could even be a non league team. I'm sorry, but it's like, you can tell you the spurs have timers to play. They're part time team. They play it again. Spurs have a huge fan base. They have important history.
00:15:33
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They have a fantastic stadium. They played against one guy that stood that got injured standing on a nail at work. Yeah, and I saw that. I mean, it's like all of those things are true, but Spurs are not a big club. They're not a title. Well, the the sevenps lin k club and I think Koleszewski would be ideal. We saw what Konta can do to Koleszewski when they played together. It's the only season barring his parma six months.
00:15:59
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that he has looked like a top class player. It was under Antonio Cole. I know it won't. Cole Scavsley won't happen. He's too expensive. any Any plays on the right, whereas they need a left winger. But I mean, I think that, listen, I think i think that there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a few, there's a couple of different ways to look at this, that the instant impact of losing credit, scale it for Napoli's chances of winning the Scudetto this season. That depends, I guess, partly on, like you say, who how they replace him, who comes in, um you know, how they spend that 70 million. Do they strengthen the team? Do they, do they find the, you know, which left winger do they bring in and how, you know, what's the quality of players? I mean, we've seen Kiesa, ZH, Zegrova, who's a right winger,
00:16:41
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Dourgu can kind of play everywhere. Gannacho, which I think is probably unrealistic. Even Rashford, who's the first player I thought of actually, was Marcus Rashford, whether he's a Conte player or not, I don't know. But but so you know these are the kind of names that are being mentioned. We'll have to see who they who they go for. That will be, you know, that their Schedetto chances will depend a lot on how they replace Kvaletskalia. I've heard a name that I really like and I think Ziech, I think his works, Garnaccio maybe, I don't think he's too expensive.
Napoli's Recent Performances and Challenges
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Ziech is a right winger though so you know that and and also he's passed his best now. Kiesa would be a huge gamble. Ziech Grover's fantastic but he's a right winger. So I don't know, but we love to see we'd have to see. But I think that the the the the longer term
00:17:28
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is where I'm worried about Napoli. and That's where I slightly disagree with you because, you know, that Scletti winning team, if you look at the age of the Napoli team, you know, this season, OK, that's fine. Conte will drag and get everything out then that he can. But this is quite a quite an old Napoli team. And really, the the the three players who were of an age that yeah that could be around for a long time in this Napoli team were those three players you mentioned, Kim,
00:17:57
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Kim, Osseman and Kvaletskelya and by the end of this season, by the summer, all three will be gone. Kvaletskelya probably is going to leave now and Osseman is going to leave for certain in there in the summer. So all three are gone. the Those that are remaining are old are pretty old players. i mean If you go through, i mean Di Lorenzo is going to be 32 this summer. Gudakman is 31. Lebokka is already 30 and Guisa, I think, is turning 30 this year if I'm if i'm not ah mistaken or he's 29.
00:18:26
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you know we're talking about you know the Lukaku he's going to be 32, Politano's in his 30s you know we're talking about an old team the core of the team is old there's a there's a few sprinklings of younger players that have come in like Buongiorno you know Tomine still at s still of a decent age i think he's 20 28 now but generally it's a it's an aging team so this team next year and the year after. And we know Conte generally doesn't stay at clubs for longer than two to three years. That is the concern. But again, you know, let's see how they spend the 70 million, you know, do they bring in younger players? My concern is, is kind of like what Napoli going to be like, because they've gone all in with Conte. Obviously, they bought in, De Laurentiis has bought into the Conte project. And that means buying ready made players rather than buying developing players. I get that. That's already going to be okay. So I think this was already a concern.
00:19:17
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But when you lose cloud at scale, it kind of hammers it home. howll yeah we come rid of all you You've got rid of all your players that that are but can give you something sustainable over a longer period and you're just basically all in on older players. So my my my worry with Napoli is where are they going to be in two years? What is their team going to be? Because most of this team will be past it in two years' time. I think that's pretty much what we said when Konta joined as well, that he's an instant impact coach. um And this is what happens when you think you're smarter than everybody else and you want to play the long game and pin penny pinch
00:19:50
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you end up having to pay more just to make up make amends. And that's exactly what's happening now with the Laurentines. He tried to be smarter than everyone else and be arrogant and say stupid shit like, oh, i't when Thiago Mota asked him about who the sporting director is, he said, ah what sporting director? I'm here. you know If you're going to be that kind of a guy, then congratulations. You played yourself. Here are the unfortunate consequences of your actions. Enjoy. Have some humble pie. Have some have some nice little custard on it. Enjoy it. Bon appetit.
00:20:18
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So that that's what he's doing. this this is This is all it is. But we all butd we all know that the Konta project is now there' maximum going to be two, three years. We all know that. I think i think that was pretty much like every everyone knows this. But so they don't have the they they can't have that they have they don't have the luxury to to think that far ahead right now. What he has to do is to just bite the bullet try to get as much out of kvara, try to get as young and decent enough replacement for kvara in that system, and try to keep Konta happy, which is easier said than done. Because Konta Now, Conte, his football is kicking into gear. and I think we're we're going to talk about not just the Hellas game, but moving on as well. Yeah, just a quick note on the Hellas game. I thought that considering like the cloud of the get the cloud that was over that this game with Kavada, I thought Napoli were were were really fantastic, obviously playing against the poor team, but um really, really good.
00:21:23
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um I thought the standout players were Neres who ran right down the left wing and and he's been yeah like if you can continue playing like this for the rest of the season then you know Clara certainly won't be as missed as much as as as he as he should be. Lukaku I thought was really good with his link up playing the wall like Napoli were going direct into him and and then players were were were kind of playing off off his ball back and that worked really well throughout the game. And then, of course, Sanguisa, who was on incredible form the last month or so, he's in Domino's voice, Scudetto Anguisa in the last month and he's got a great, great goal. I thought Lubotka was excellent as well.
00:22:03
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Napoli were excellent. First game in eight days, so when a content team hasn't played for eight days, these are the performances you get. But the the big question now is, um you know, what comes next? Atalanta away, Juventus home, Roma away. Inter have very, very easy fixtures within these next three games. The next three games could make or break Napoli's skedetto. So I think after those three games, we can kind of have a you know, we can kind of have a better idea of of where Napoli are because then we'll know how they've got on in these games and we'll know how they've you spent the kvara money and as well. So the next linlix the next this month is big
Napoli's Defense and Tactics
00:22:40
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for Napoli. Yeah, but that way oh it is. It's very decisive. I mean, like we said before, but there's one aspect, you know, that, you know, it's February is always when the scoreters decided really, because that's when you put the run together and and cement whether or not you're going to win.
00:22:53
Speaker
um But the thing about Napoli with Antonio Conte is, you know, one thing that people have been saying throughout up until this point, and they've been correct, and I do agree with them. um They've been critical of Conte and Napoli is that this, you know, winning 1-0 playing this Pauli is not sustainable. And that's true. It isn't sustainable.
00:23:14
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But one thing that I kept saying throughout this entire period, and I think is manifesting itself now, is that Conte's teams in attack really kick into gear from January, February onwards. And that's exactly what we're seeing now. They played wonderful attacking football in the first half. Lukaku is no longer the Lukaku he was at Inter under Conte, but his hold up game and link up game is second to none. It's absolutely fantastic.
00:23:42
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Neresh is just a beast. He's really coming into his own. He's he's turning into this this kind of, you can tell when a player is is really enjoying life and understanding what Antonio Conte wants him to do in a system. The midfield is what I think is the most interesting thing. You've got Lobotka, who is reborn, and you've got Anguisa, who's the best midfielder, and they kind of alternate with McTominay in some sort of a double pivot where ah we where McTominay is the tip of that pivot, is the top of the tridente, but with Lobotka and Anguisa kind of in a double pivot, where Anguisa kind of pushes off and Lobotka pushes down, and they create these patterns, ah these cultural vertical patterns, the three of them, by being very, very fluid.
00:24:30
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Lobotka, he's getting the absolute most out of Lobotka and Güissa and McTominay. They're so good in midfield. They know how to positionally dominate teams by their movement and just it's it's a system and they know exactly how to do it. Dilorenzo, I mean, if you look at the build up for the first goal, it was absolutely exquisite his movement.
00:24:52
Speaker
again, Konta's system, and also how he continuously overloads, like Interdu, very similar in the sense that they got the way that they overload numerically in the opposition's box. wind they When they wide, when they push out wide, the team pushes out wide and they need to cross in. Really, really interesting and movements and tactical things that Konta has imposed on this Napoli team, and the team is finally beginning to understand it.
00:25:21
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And then, of course, in the second half, you had the Anguissa show with a magical goal, and he was just stunning. um One thing, though, defensively, which is really interesting, is Rahmani. I thought he was excellent again yesterday. And this is very interesting because before, with Cooley Bali, with Kim Minjae, and to a certain extent in the beginning of this season with Bonjorno, he kind of always has had needed someone to kind of hold his hand if you will quote-unquote tongue-in-cheek but he's not been the leader of a defense he's always kind of failed when he's been that but here he doesn't need anyone to do that because the system is holding his hand in the sense that the structure is there so he can rely on the structure he trusts the structure he trusts the system he trusts his teammates and that means that he can become a leader too
00:26:08
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um And that means that he's that he's now the person who's holding Juan Jesus' hand, who's a very mediocre player, I think we can say. um And it's looking really well. I mean, look, 12 clean sheets in 20 games. I think it's the first time since 81-82 that Napoli, in their opening 20 games, have conceded haven't have kept the clean sheet for 12 games.
Scudetto Race: Napoli vs Inter
00:26:31
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They've conceded 12 goals, six of which came in two games, two 3-0 losses versus Atalanta and Elas.
00:26:38
Speaker
And I look at, you know, the the one game a week factor, which I spoke about when I had them, when we were in the beginning of a preview, you know, the Serie A preview said, this is this is when it starts to matter. All the other teams on the top have Champions League, Serie A and Copa Italia. Napoli only have Serie A. They don't have anything else. That's going to be important, especially now February, March, April, when they're kind of fragmented across three competitions and he's got, and Kukonta and Napoli have got 18 finals to focus on. So this is going to be a fascinating scurreto race. you have You have the winners of the last two seasons facing off. You have the coach of former inter coach who left Inter in dramatic fashion after leading them to their first scurreto in over a decade. Coming back to Napoli, that was a mess, fixed that.
00:27:30
Speaker
um You have an Inter who you know have dominated domestically, have been arguably the best team, only have one score to the show for it, which they're going to be upset about and want to push on. They have their own problems, which we're going to get to when we talk about Inter.
00:27:45
Speaker
um You have Conte, who's a yuva icon, yuva mentality, coming to Napoli, he's from the South. There are so many storylines. I think this is going to be one of the most fascinating, fascinating scudetto races that we've seen. um and i'm And I feel that it's going to be between Inter and Napoli to the end. I'm not saying that Napoli are going to win it. If you ask me who I think will win it, um I would say that my feeling, more than analysis, my gut feeling tells me that Napoli, and I don't want to get ahead of anything, but my gut feeling tells me that Napoli are in a better position in terms of, you know, fixtures and and and fatigue. And of course, Konto, having been in this position before, to win it, but I don't think it's going to be a by much.
00:28:30
Speaker
I think Inter having to fra you know concentrate on three different tournaments will will cost them, as we're seeing right now. That's my gut feeling, but we'll have to wait and see. it this will say I think this month will be, as I said before, I think this month will, yeah at the end of this month, well it will be a lot clearer and because Inter could have pulled away by then. We'll see. I mean, Inter win again, comfortable wind um a at the net, as you would expect.
00:28:54
Speaker
um and and probably a better win than maybe they were given credit for because of the you know quite a few injuries going into the game but you know also nervy because I mean Venezia hit the post at the end um could have could have ended up getting a draw but yeah I think ah still like a good good afternoon for Inter in the sense that you know they've gained on Atalanta who risks now falling away, I think, with Atalanta's fixtures coming up. They can go plus four on Atalanta if they win the game in hand. We're into having a good run of fixtures, Bologna, Empoli, Lecce coming up and Atalanta having Juventus and Napoli.
00:29:33
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potentially the Atalanta could knock Atalanta out of the title race almost in the coming weeks and ah make it that two horse race that just that you just mentioned. So yeah, from the match itself, I mean, yeah. <unk> so such There's also aspect that that game-in-hand thing that Inter have got. Look, you now probably have that in the bank already. You know, Inter have been in this situation before when they lost the Scudetto to Bologna, so they are kind of traumatized, quote-unquote, from this situation with that Fiorentina game to to be played, um which could prove to be very decisive um whenever that is scheduled to play, which we'll know in a couple of weeks' time.
00:30:13
Speaker
But regardless, if we're just focusing on this Venezia inter-game, it was a game where inter rotated because they had to. They're decimated by injuries. um And they did they played fairly well in the first half. It's an inter that can't afford to spend too much energy because they have so many games coming up. They literally play every every three days now until the end of February.
00:30:37
Speaker
um So he was a little bit too close for comfort. They created enough to score more than once, but they didn't. um And it got really nervy, not just because they hit the post, but Poyan Paolo towards the end. I thought that poll was going in. I mean, when he hits that on the half volley, I was 100% sure that was going to go in.
00:30:56
Speaker
Um, and and, and, and it was, it was too close for comfort, but they do win and they do write history. They win their sixth consecutive Serie A game away from home with a clean sheet. Um, and that that's going to be, that's pretty important because I mean, if and not, not just that it's not just that it's an important, it's, it's an interesting one. If you look at both Napoli and Inter away from home.
00:31:23
Speaker
Inter have played nine games, seven wins, two draws. They've played nine games at home, six wins, two draws, one loss. So they're actually doing better away from home than they are at home. They have five goals conceded away, ten at home. Napoli are the best team in the city are right now at home, eight wins, two losses, 15 goals scored, six conceded.
00:31:48
Speaker
um They have away, they've got seven wins, two draws, one loss, 17 goals scored, six conceded. So not only a fairly even inter, there is this disparity ah between home and a away still, although I must be said, they do have two home games coming up, so that will change. But it's just an interesting little, you know, stat that I noticed that inter this season, it kind of also feeds the feeling I've had all season that inter away from home look better. They play better football. They look more relaxed.
00:32:17
Speaker
um than than they do when they are at home. Why that is? I don't know. um Could it be perhaps that interests that have are beginning to struggle ah when they have the pressure on at home to control gains and are more susceptible to counterattacks and so on? I don't know. It's too soon to say. But it is an interesting point. um More importantly, just and before we get to Fratesi, I think Lautaro showed When he plays on instinct, he is unbelievable. When he doesn't think too much, that little lovely turn for the first goal, that the the way he takes the ball down, that's just instinct. When he does that, he's fantastic. It's when he over-thinks, when he thinks too much that he overwork situations and he loses himself. But I have to say, the last week, despite Inter, you know, the supercoppa loss and all of that,
00:33:09
Speaker
He's looked better. It's looked much, much better. um As for Tarami, his finishing really annoyed me against Venezia. It was bad. It was poor. It was really, really poor. His overall game and link up is always good, and it was good in this game, but his finishing was atrocious, and that is, in this game, was it was awful. and And that's something that he needs to, because he needs to address this. He needs to focus, and he needs to be more clinical, because he needs him. He needs everyone they can get right now be in this tough string of fixtures.
00:33:39
Speaker
so and and And just a point on Venizio before we go to Fratezi. There's two players there that really impressed me. Filipe Stankovic continues to be impressive. He continues to be a fantastic shot stopper. And with all due respect to Venizio, if I may look at this from an Inter angle, I hope they go down so that Inter can get Stankovic back.
00:34:02
Speaker
because and and control his destiny because he's he's a short stopper with an Inter heart, growing have having grown up at Inter, a youth player, and he's a Stankovic. I think that would be good for Inter's identity to have someone like that in the dressing room, even if it's not as a starting role. but And also, of course, this Nicolausi Cavillia is looking more and more interesting at Venetia.
00:34:30
Speaker
Yeah, let's talk about Fraterzi though, Nimr. So let's just's try and wrap this up. I mean, from my point of view, I know both Roma and Inter have have kind of put cold water on the chances of this happening. ah And I think that's right. I mean, I think from financial point of view,
00:34:48
Speaker
This just isn't a realistic transfer. and Roma just don't have the money to to spend what Inter will fairly ask for him, which is you know above 40 million euros. So I just don't see this happening.
00:35:00
Speaker
um whether or not um you know Fred says he's outright asked to leave in, so we we don't know. But I would imagine that you know he he's unhappy with his situation, and of course he is. I mean, that being sub against Venezia is probably the final um nail in the coffin for him. You know, Cala, Cela, Nogliu, Mercatori are both out, and he still can't get in the team. I think that's proven what I've said since day one, that I don't think he can play with Barela in a three-man midfield. And I think in Sagi, obviously,
00:35:34
Speaker
agrees with that otherwise he would have he would have played I think that's clear now I've always thought that since day one I've never thought that they I disagree with that I think they can play together but they can't play together in this system in Zaghi I think they can play they've played together in the national team and they've done so fairly well yeah but that's not a midfield three that's that's with but that is a midfield three one no it's with it it's the three five one one that he's been playing he's been playing further forward no no he's played together with with him when they played a even when they played a four three three as well. Like he can play next to Barilla, but he can't play next to Barilla in Zaghi's system. he doesn't It doesn't function um because the team, at the midfield had lacks complete balance when they play together. Fratizzi's movement leaves holes that Barilla can't cover, or no one can cover. They're just they're not compatible in the system. I think they can play together. But I agree with you about, I mean, Ranieri said it himself. Look, he said, we can't spend this kind of money. And that and and we're also knowing Marotta, who basically came out and said,
00:36:33
Speaker
He hasn't asked to leave. There is no causal. If a player asks to leave, we'll make them happy. But we also have to be happy. He hasn't asked to leave. Nzagi came out and said he's part of the project. he you know He's not said anything. We've not had any arguments. Those are all that's all nonsense.
00:36:49
Speaker
I don't know. Of course he has to say that, but I don't... He's got to leave. The money's not there. No, but the thing is, he will leave, but he won't leave now. He'll leave in the summer, yeah. And I think that's that's the right move for everyone involved, because Fretesi was always going to be a rotation player in the system. Always. He's never going to be a starter.
00:37:14
Speaker
and If he wants to start, then I think he absolutely should leave an integer cash in on. Yeah. I agree with all that. Other than that, I don't think he's compatible in a three with Barella. I just think their attributes and what they both like to do are too similar. And you can't play both and get the best out of both. And that harms either one or the other, and then eventually harms the team. um And, you know, which is something I think we discussed before in the past, that their strengths are kind of overlap with one another, and one of them has to rein in on their game in order to, to to for from them to coexist, and then it just doesn't really work. And that's, but yeah, i don't I don't see him go in. I think Napoli are the only other team, realistically, but why would you go to Napoli, you're not going to get into a that midfield three, that midfield three is working so well at Napoli. So you're basically replacing being a
00:38:11
Speaker
being ah a first back-up, maybe you you move up the hierarchy a little bit at Napoli, you become the first back-up to say Anguisa or Mctominay, but you're not going to start ahead of those three. So there's no point in you moving to Napoli. You might as well stay at Inter, you've got a great chance so of winning, even the Champions League at Inter, and then in the summer, you know you're a year out from the World Cup, you've still got time if you're thinking about the Italy national team.
00:38:36
Speaker
Which he is. Which he is. And I think that's what's going to happen. I think he will stay at Inter and then in this summer he will leave. Agreed. 100%. Let's move on to to Atalanta though. um This is maybe the worst performance of the season I've seen from Atalanta. It was horrible.
00:38:54
Speaker
ah performance and listen to this 0.17 xg in this game that's astonishing for atalanta and but they also conceded a lot of chances udonese had a 1.66 xg especially in the first half they hit the woodwork twice alexis santra should have scored and once again they they' their man of the match was khanoseki they're very very lucky to draw this game is still two points dropped, but it could have been a lot worse. This was very strange considering they had a week to prepare because they and they also rested players against Inter in the Supercopper when they played, was it eight days before or seven days before? um So it's a very bad day for Atalanta and they fall behind in the skeleton race. And as I said before in the Inter segment, you know, Juventus and Napoli, their next two games now,
00:39:41
Speaker
um Yeah, they they risk falling out of the escalator rates because if Inter win the game and have their four points, they're four points ahead anyway. And then, you know, they drop points to Juventus and Napoli with the run that Inter have coming up. And that Napoli game is obviously huge for Atalanta as well. um Yeah, it's a bit frustrating for Atalanta, very, very bad performance by then.
00:40:04
Speaker
No, it was it was more it was a bad performance by them, um especially in Attack, and it was a a really bad performance in Attack by Odinese. I will go to my grave wondering how Alexei Sanchez didn't score.
00:40:24
Speaker
how he hit the post or he hit the bar. I don't understand how it's humanly possible to miss a chance like that. um Yes, Kanaseki is one probably the best goalkeeper this season in the Serie A, if we're perfectly... At the moment he's on fire. I mean, he the the save as in terms of reaction saves goes, he probably is.
00:40:47
Speaker
um He's got that Toldo vibe, I've said it before, you know that Toldo Euro 2000, where it's just like, you're not beating me, kind of. Exactly. No, he's unbelievable, but Alexei Sanchez should have s scored that. I mean, that that is a bad miss. um And it was funny to see how he, how, um what's his name, Runjai reacted after the after the the the game, um because he he they they were showing him on the chance and he was laughing, he was like, oh, but that's that's a bad myth. And it was ah it was a bad myth. But I mean, you know, it's a good point for Odinesse, but they should have they really should have won that. ah But yeah, Atalanta, look, he he rotated, he sacrificed the super copper, which I think was wise. I wish Inter would have done the same. But the problem when you do that is kind of you risk disrupting the
00:41:44
Speaker
rhythm of the team as well. When you basically tell the players, I don't you know i don't care if you win this, it's it's not that easy to switch that on again. It takes a little bit of time. um And Atalanta have never been in a proper Scudetto race before. They've won European trophies. Yes, in cup competitions, they've been in quarter finals, etc. But they've never been in a league title race before.
00:42:07
Speaker
I think once let them down, I mean, they've had two blanks in a row now, Nima, which is really unheard of for Atalanta, given all the goals they've scored. But, you know, I've said it before, and I kind of went, pedaled back a little bit on it when I saw how many goals they were scoring. But I said that, obviously, with the Scamaca ACL, going into the season with just Retigee as your only natural number nine, that I thought that Atalanta needed another striker.
00:42:35
Speaker
And now that Rettigy has fallen off in the last two months, like he really has hit bad form and then he got the injuries, that he's injured at the moment, he missed this game through injury. Like Atalanta, yeah, there's only so there's certain games where you need a real natural number nine and you need also natural number nine options off the bench. um Whether or not this is that game or not, I don't know, but I just think that the lack of having that those those options of ah of a penalty box striker, of a goal scorer, you know, I feel like Atalanta are missing that in their squad. And they already probably needed it with Retagie. And I think that when Retagie's out as well, you know, and you're really struggling um in ah in attack as they were in this game,
00:43:20
Speaker
and Yeah, I do think Atalanta should consider signing another striker this this this January. when Again, when I look at what is missing from the squad, um I think they're missing a Centimetfielder alternative to to to Edison and they are still missing a striker. I mean, Scamaka will come back, but I mean, again, this is the Atalanta policy. of rushing a player with an ACL back after five, six months. Just what they did with Scalvini, who actually played played this game but it came off. and they're obviously they' They're doing it in a different way. They they kind of brought Scalvini back, but they're giving him very limited minutes in the way that they they they're they're easing him into action. So they'll they'll play him.
00:44:02
Speaker
for for, say, 45 minutes, then they won't play him for three games, then they'll give him another 45 minutes. This is obviously some kind of policy. maybe Maybe it's the right thing to do. Who knows? Rather than they're not playing him game in, game out, like, say, Roma did with Zagnolo when he came back, and which was which was totally the wrong thing to do, and contributed to this next ACL. But, so, I mean, Scabacca will be back, but I don't think they're going to use him enough. So, I don't know. I just i just think that,
00:44:28
Speaker
They were very toothless in an attack in this game. No, they were. They were. they they they were and And I think it's only natural that we see a reaction from them um at some point, too. i mean so They have to. They've got two massive games coming up now. which No, no, I mean like that you see a reaction from the fantastic form they've been in ah that, you know, it's not sustainable. And again, I want to emphasize this, that when you tinker with the lineup and you send this kind of psychological message to the team that, again, I think it was the right decision to punt the supercopper.
00:45:01
Speaker
Atalanta don't need the money, and and they have more bigger fish to fry, especially in the Champions League of Serie A and Coppa Italia. But went i off do that there is a risk. There is a risk. And I think it's difficult. You can't just switch on again. It takes time to to to come to to get back to winning ways. But I'm not worried about Atalanta, I think.
00:45:22
Speaker
I think they're going to be, I don't think they're out of the Scudetto race, but they are, they're going to probably finish third and they're going to probably push to finish third. They're still going to be thereabouts, but I do, I can't shake off the feeling that this is now a Konta versus Nzagi title race.
00:45:38
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Well, the next opponent, Atalanta, is Juventus in midweek and it's the Juventus which is really same old same old. I don't want to just spend repeating ourselves the same things over and over again, and but but unfortunately it was it was just the same. Once again, it was offensively Oh, just a shit ah shambles from Juventus. 0.81 xg. Can you stop removing the paragraphs, Nimr? They've got my... ah You do that every single time. Nimr, sorry, guys. Nimr dries you mad. He goes onto to my Google Doc. I've got my notes on here and I've paragraph them, so I've got my notes. And then he he gets rid of the paragraphs, so it's just one line of text, and then I can't see my notes.
00:46:23
Speaker
that granddad gets all wound up when I put things together because they're like so wide apart. Because they're paragraph, I've got to separate each paragraph so I can see them and you've got to remove the paragraphs. I can't have removed anything. sorry about that guys but other little bit of a just outburst there but yeah um where was it it's because it's your bed so that's why it was it was um uh listen listen to this number 0.10 xg first half um i mean that that that says it all 0.81 a little bit better second half but just just not good enough it's the same story created nothing
00:47:05
Speaker
at all. The goal came from an individual moment of brilliance from Miele. It was a great goal. Apart from that, it created nothing. it The only other good moment in the game was was the Nico offside goal with an Mbangoona pass, which was which was a good play, but it was offside, so it doesn't count. The second half was a bit better, kind of last 15 to 20 minutes. They kind of upped the tempo, looked a bit more dangerous, but again, just not creating. You're playing against a poor Torino side,
00:47:32
Speaker
and you and you only create as, okay, it's a Derby, Darby's a Darby's and you know, the kind of, it becomes sometimes more of a battle and we saw that with but both managers getting set. But I think that was also, the the the red card also showed the pressure that Mota's under. The Milan defeat has put him under this pressure for the first time, which we discussed in length last week, where we kind of said that it is right to ask the question about his future now. um And I think that's shown on him, like the press conference,
00:48:01
Speaker
he He was nervous, like he had a go at one journalist that called him, he called the this one journalist who asked a pretty standard, respectful question, and he called him a Torino fan. He got very nervous at him. um And then then obviously he gets he gets sent off. um he gets He gets sent off in at the start of the second half here along along with Venoli and he's going to obviously miss the next game now against Atalanta when he's needed. um So the pressure is getting to him and um i think that um yeah i think I think that with Juventus having a very, very hard run coming up now, and the next three games, Atalanta away, Milan home and then Napoli away.
00:48:44
Speaker
And they've got the Champions League in between those. They've got the Champions League, which is obviously going to add to the the pressure in terms of the the limited squad and injuries and stuff. But, you know, I think that at the end of those three games, I think we are that if those three games go badly, I think there is the very real possibility that the the I don't want to come out and say he could be sacked, but I wouldn't rule it out. Those three games go badly. We could be talking about Juventus top four being over. The way that they're playing, it's just not improving. We're just seeing no improvement in the offense, in the creation of chances, in structurally creating chances. I'm sorry, but I know they had injuries. There are a lot of players out in this game as well. I think they were without the five first team players. I know that has an impact, but we're just not seeing an improvement. The biggest issue is with
00:49:42
Speaker
motto is just doing the same things over and over and expecting different results and that is the definition of insanity you know you can't just keep doing the same thing over and over and just expect there to be he keeps persisting with coop miners as this number 10 it's driving me mad he's killing him i mean coop miners in this game was an embarrassment he was embarrassing And if I see Koopmeiners in the number 10 position one more time with his back to goal, just the ball getting played to Koopmeiners and he's just laying it back like he lucky he's Lukaku. It's just, he's killing him in this number. Why is he persisting playing Koopmeiners in the number 10 position? It's failed. It's not even, it's failed. It's not failing. He has failed in that position and he's still persisting with it. The four, two, three, one's not working. and He keeps persisting with it.
00:50:30
Speaker
the the the slow movement of the ball, it's just so slow and sterile, gives the opposition, Torino in this case, all the time in the world to get set in their position, pass it out wide to the wingers, they turn around, pass it back to the midfielders, then they go to the other wing, then they pass it back, then they go to the other wing, it's just the same over and over again and and and that's why the results are not changing and that's why the chance creation is is stays as it is. um So, I mean, I don't know what else to say anymore. For me, when I was watching this game, and and I, when I look at Tiago Mota in,
00:51:11
Speaker
at this U of N and how it's going on, and the fact that it's now 12 draws, you know, nine wins, 12 draws, zero losses. This reminds me so much, these these results, this this atmosphere, this feeling, everything, it just reminds me so much of Roberto Mancini's first season, first tenure at Inter 0405. A little dull, but solid, draws a lot, but also avoids losses.
00:51:38
Speaker
Create a little bit, not too much. Don't concede too much, a little bit. like it's It's very, very, very basic. I mean, that yeah that season, Inter had 18 wins, 18 draws. um I think they had two losses, um if I remember correctly. But this it reminds me a lot of that. And then, of course, you know he laid the groundwork to to to win three Scoredeti and then to blah, blah, blah. but I think that's how I view this a little bit little bit more. I think that regardless of what, you know, as long as Juventus are in the top four and as long as they keep avoiding losses, as long as they keep as they go through in the Champions League, as long as they beat Empoli in the Copa Italia,
00:52:21
Speaker
I don't see Tiago Mota's job being at all in any risk. I think the issue that Juventus and the analysis that Juventus do is that they look at the squad and they say, OK, well, we made certain changes. As they said last season, pretty much is going to take a couple of Mercati for us to get to where we are. I think they're going to look at this and go, well, we like this. We don't like this. We need to resolve this. And I think that's how they're going to go about it.
00:52:47
Speaker
um I don't see them sacking motta unless top four is at risk. I mean, seriously at risk, meaning five, eight, 10 points behind, if you know what I mean. Other than that, he's not doing anything. Which is possible if these next three games go badly. That is possible. We're not there yet. We're not there yet. That's why I said if the next three games go badly. No, no, I'm just saying, I don't see that happening. I think Juventus look at this. They're calm. Juventus fans are anything but calm, but then again, they've never been calm.
00:53:17
Speaker
They don't care. I think they look at this as a project and they look at this as a step-by-step growth. And as long as they hit their minimum targets, they'll be fine. And it wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, if Juventus went on and retained their Copa Italia trophy this season and just continued this thing of, OK, let's win Copa Italia. Let's win silverware to come. Copa Italia will be no good if they don't get the top four. So it's all on the top four. I don't think it's one or the other. I'm talking about overall.
00:53:46
Speaker
If they finish in the top four, they win the Copa Italia. That would be a nice bonus. Again the Machini reference, that's what he did, didn't he? i mean he He started that cycle by avoiding defeats, drawing too much, not really in the title race, winning the Copa Italia. I think it's it's a little bit like that, step by step, step by step.
00:54:06
Speaker
And I think but that's how i'm go to that's how I view Juventus. Well, we have to look at what they can do now, and they have to get moving in the transfer market. And I think they are. I mean, they're in talks for three players um at the moment. um It looks like they're very, very close to signing the Vittoria, Gomerais, right back, Alberto Costa for probably getting close to 15 million euros. He's had interest from ah from a lot of ah big clubs. ah Milan, Roma, Brighton, Sporting Lisbon um as well, put an offer for him as did Brighton. I don't know anything about this guy. I haven't seen him. I know he's highly rated. I did reach out to a few Portuguese journalists who haven't got back to me and to ask me about him, but to ask about him. But so but yeah, they needed the defender. ah They need two defenders. They're also in talks for
00:54:53
Speaker
Ronald Araujo from Barcelona, which is not an easy deal to pull off, um but he's he's a fantastic defender, but he's ridiculously injury prone. he's bad He's played one game this season due to injury. And if you have a look at his injury record over the last few years, it's horrific. so That's my concern. So that's a huge rent this how they handle injuries and the injury problems that Juventus have. like Is that really where you want to spend your money? like I don't know. Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, it could be a loan with an option, I guess. It could be conditional option that he has to play X percentage, a number of games in order to make it better. The thing is, they need players to this season. you what i mean say And then the other pi player is Columuani, random Columuani from PSG, who is a striker or attacker. And the latest reports coming out this morning in Italy are that they've agreed alone with the club.
00:55:43
Speaker
with a PSG, um so we'll see that that that deal is getting closer as well. He's a player who I really loved at Frankfurt when I seen him, but it hasn't worked out for him at PSG, and whether or not how good he is to play in that and kind of number nine role, which is what Juventus want, but he is also kind of adapt to when he can play in the wider roles as well. so Yeah, I mean, we'll see. We'll see how he does. If they get the Frankfurt Moani, that would be pretty good. and But so yeah, that that rules out Xerxes, I would say. So they are working on transfers. They need players in also because, I mean, the bench is a problem. I mean, for three months now, and this is where I do have sympathy with Mota,
00:56:24
Speaker
for three months now, Juventus have had no one to bring on to change games. i mean They've gone through long large stretches with two outfield players on the earth on the on the bench, but they've gone through but they've gone through the entire first half of the season without a striker on the bench, another attacker striker to bring on for Vlovich when he is fit. Obviously, Vlovich wasn't fit in this game, so you have no one basically to bring on to change the games when you're drawing like these matches. um And then when you add the injuries to it, Juncili's kind of fade-ins, I mean, that's a huge problem and then that has been agency issue, ah constructing, and it's also been down to injuries as well, but it's difficult for us when you've got no one to bring on, and you know, substitutes are very important in modern football for changing games. And not just that, especially to manage fatigue and energy levels. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's fundamental. These five subs rule is it' is's just fundamental. I just, one thing that I do think is positive though, and that is,
00:57:20
Speaker
Yildiz, Embangula, Savona, you know this this notion of you know the the next-gen project delivering, feeding players that actually function and do have something have a role to play in Juventus' first team. Embangula has been such a pleasant surprise. I really like him.
00:57:42
Speaker
um I think he's been he's such an interesting player. Yildis is, I mean, you know, I if you don't love Yildis, if you don't love Arda Güler, you don't love football. I mean, it's it's that simple. they They are just they just put a smile on my face watching them play. um And I really like what Savona has done as well. I really like how He's come on to the scene this season, his first season, really first season at this level and doing really well at Juventus side. I mean, it's it's ah he's not Joao Cancelo, but what did you expect? ah This is his first season at this level. And I think he's handled himself really, really well. I'm glad that he's part of the Italy national set up. And to be honest with you, I'd like to see Spaletti playing to the right of a back three of the right center back. I'd love to see what he can do there.
00:58:27
Speaker
yeah um well yeah no i think that I think that's fair about the positives and the Yielders especially. i mean he's he's performed I think the biggest positive of Yielders, kind of looking further ahead, is that he's performed in the big games this season. He scored versus Inter, two goals, scored against Milan, a great goal in the Supercoppa.
00:58:47
Speaker
Turin Darby, even in the Champions League, he scored the first gold in their first game back in the Champions League. He was excellent against Man City as well. um so you know He's performed in the in the big matches and that's generally the sign of ah of ah of ah of a player a big player.
00:59:03
Speaker
the player that can rise to the big occasion and it can handle the big matches and performs in these big matches obviously at 19 years old he's going to be inconsistent and and also there are you know there are some questions about how he's been used by Motta as well which I have myself like putting him way way out on the touch line which is what Motta keeps doing with the wingers which is another criticism of what I said before about doing the same thing over and over and expecting you know different results. you know I don't like how Motta keeps his wingers way too much out wide.
00:59:34
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and know yeah But Yildiz hasn't been helped, that I don't think, in that respect. in in not He's not been close enough to go to score more goals and create more. but when is the big matches he's performed and also shown himself to be quite adaptable tactically like he can play on the left wing he's played number 10 and also you know these last two matches and he's played on the right wing and and he scored in both for those games as well and so he's shown himself to be very you know very could play meant multiple positions and systems which is
01:00:08
Speaker
very much needed in modern football. So yeah, he was really the only kind of like big, big positive from this game. um As for Torino, I do want to give a shout out to Vlasic. I thought that was a brilliant goal. You can't criticize Juventus for that goal. I mean, the XG on that, I don't know what it would have been, but it's probably like 0.02. I mean, Juventus could have closed him down better, but thought there's like four players in front of him and he's found the tiny gap, the only gap possible to score that goal. And it's ah it's a brilliant goal from Vlasic.
01:00:37
Speaker
fantastic well-class goal in my opinion brilliant uh and so yeah you have to you just have to take sometimes you just have to take your hat off that was a great goal um i thought richie was excellent as well he was the person who was on the pitch um he was great yeah that's that's my praise for patrino uh talking of richie because milan are the club are ahead in the race for richie um this this summer They spoil what would have been a perfect week. Winning the Super Cup, beating Juventus and In, it's a great start for Conseil Sal as manager. Then they draw at home to Calgary, which is very, very frustrating for them. um Having said that, though, and I know Conseil Sal was very critical at the end of the game, which I liked, by the way, because he's a winner. He's got a winning mentality. He doesn't like not winning. This is one of those games where you play this game
01:01:23
Speaker
100 times mer Milan win them win this game 99 times out of 100 i mean the chances that they created in the second half ah first half they weren't great but second half they created chance after chance after chance uh i mean abraham's missed two sitters poodle sitches missed two sitters um they've had 24 shots to six 11 shots on target nine corners to one they've had the next g of well well over two 0.3 XG for calorie, calorie created nothing can they've scored for a massive blunder from Manon. It's just one of those games. Sometimes it just, it just, you know, if they keep playing like this Milan um and creating this much and that they're going to, they're going to be, they're going to do well under console sales. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't get, you know, I wouldn't panic and just think, Oh, here we go again. It's, it's, it was just, yeah, they just didn't put their chances away.
01:02:17
Speaker
No, they didn't. tonight it's It's not the... ah would I don't panic, it's too dramatic. But there are things that show just the how much, the level, the magnitude of work that Consté São has in front of him to make this work. I think The equalizer or Mike Mignon is is is is such a good example. He pulls off in the first half one of the most amazing saves that pretty much that is now typical of him. It's a world class save from Felice. I mean, it's absolutely fantastic. And then he follows it up.
01:02:58
Speaker
with with an atrocious howler, and it's a howler that ends a move where Inter also in Milan melt defensively. Fofana, Calabria, all of them are just all over the place.
01:03:13
Speaker
Um, they are a very, it just goes to show the, the sheer level of work that Consté São has ahead of him in order to get this Milan into a cohesive unit and a team in both phases. They seem a bit confused, Milan, right now, which is understandable when you've had three different coaches in less than 12 months, but.
01:03:34
Speaker
it is It is a lot of work ahead of him. I think winning the Supercoppa gave them the kind of mental boost, but mental boost and energy can only take you that far. You also need the hard work and the structure and the tactical discipline and all of those things. I think there's lots of things to be positive about for Milan, but there's lots of work to do as well.
01:03:54
Speaker
and I think the Calleary game showed it more than anything what those weaknesses are and what what they need to do. and and I don't think Milan are going to do too much this window. Maybe you know we're going to talk about that in a minute.
01:04:07
Speaker
But I think the summer, next summer is going to be vital. They need to give Konsti Tsao a proper project. They need to give him the players he needs to succeed and they need to give him time. if If they're going to give someone time, if they ever were going to give someone time, it's Sergio Konsti Tsao because mentality wise, attitude wise, addiction to winning, you're not going to find anyone else.
01:04:31
Speaker
with the with the budget you've got, that Milan have got to two to them better than Conseil Sal. So they need to back him fully. fully um But it's going to take time. And I still feel that this is a game where, under Fonseca, Milan potentially lose.
01:04:49
Speaker
But they didn't, even though they dominate it. They didn't do that here. they They just felt more, it felt more a bit unlucky that they didn't win rather than and anything else. But I wouldn't panic too much. I think it's a, it's a, it's a, Duopunti Pezante, as they would say in Italy. It's two heavy points to drop. You're at home at Caliari relegation side. These are three points you should be winning.
01:05:13
Speaker
But it's um it's it's it's interesting. it's kind of expected I was expecting a reaction from Mila after the Supercoppa, where they came back twice at the death from behind to win.
01:05:27
Speaker
So it was it was always goingnna you you know it was it was normal that they were going to have to show some sort of reaction. Now they have to kind of build on that. And just as a final note before we talk about Milan going full going full English, do you know the last time that Caliari beat Milan at the San Siro in the Serie A was? Caliari, last time they beat them, yeah you're probably going to say Max Allegri or something, aren't you?
01:05:55
Speaker
No, no, no. it's it It predates ah even Max. That's it. It predates the prehistoric age, right? It's the final matchday, matchday 34 of the 96-97 season. It was the last match Barrezi Ati played before retiring. And it was also Arigosaki's last ever a match as Milan coach. Calieri obtained Salvezza. Roberto Mutzi scored in the 10th minute.
01:06:22
Speaker
And that was the season that Milan finished. I remember that game was played in like June or something, wasn't it? It was like really late. It was late, yeah. And Milan finished 11th in the Serie A that season. But yeah, it was the last Barrezi and Tassotti game. Which is interesting because when Maldini played his last game, they also lost to Roma.
01:06:41
Speaker
um So it's interesting. That is it interesting. in yeah and yeah yeah that just Just to finish off, you know the other thing that I've noticed, they paraded the Super Cup before the game, Teo and Calabria. I know you've mentioned this before, yeah I don't like it when teams parade their trophies because they never end up within the matches. Have you noticed that? Whenever a team parades a trophy that they've just won before a game, they never win that game. They usually lose.
01:07:05
Speaker
It happens all the time. It happens with Italy. up Every title that Italy ever win, every trophy Italy ever win, after 2006 World Cup, after the year after year after the Euros, they always end up slipping up. It happens all the time. No, it does. But for me, ah what I want to say about that, of course, you should be happy and no one can you can gatekeep people winning trophies. But parading the super copper like that, I'm sorry, that's not worthy of Milan.
01:07:34
Speaker
No, no, this is like that's like Tottenham celebrating fourth place trophy, you know. Yeah, but Tottenham are a small club. It's like Koleszewski doing a doing his hype video fight video against me. Finish six fourth. Finish fourth. like yeah But no, but seriously, I thought the whole like that they did the social media thing. They have to do that the way that you know, all of that for celebrating beating U of N Inter. Of course, you're going to do that. All of that is fine. But this parade.
01:08:00
Speaker
of that I thought it was a big only wasn't a massive parade to be fair to them it's not but it's still I agree with you it's it's it's uh it's uh you know as a winner with a winning mentality a winning attitude let me give it to you this way Milan would never this under Berlusconi no no like this they would have probably would have had the trophy at the end of the game after they've won do you know what I mean like they would have done something but this this was I don't know I didn't I thought it was strange No, I agree. I agree. You've got to have higher higher standards than than that. um We have a talk about Milan going full English. so Milan have already got Ruben Loftuscik, Vikayo Tamori, Tammy Abraham in their squads, and now they they have been in talks to to sign Marcus Rashford, which we know about already, and and now Kyle Walker. now
01:08:51
Speaker
We should add that Milan can actually only sign one of them. They can only sign one Englishman in the window. They can only register one Englishman in the in in any transfer window, and I believe. But certainly in this one, um due to to well, England's not in the EU anymore due to due to Brexit.
01:09:25
Speaker
According to sections of the the English media, they're in advanced talks for Kyle Walker. Kyle Walker managed a city legend, asked to leave city. and That was confirmed by Pep Guardiola at the weekend, ah just as Conte was and it was was a revealing that Clara had asked to leave.
01:09:44
Speaker
Kep was revealing that Karl Walker had asked to leave. He wants to move abroad. He's going to move abroad. ah Milan are in the the lead for that. So we'll see how that pans out. um If that doesn't happen, then there there is the Rashford. Rashford, they've been ah holding talks with him for for a good fortnight now. Zlatan has been part of that.
01:10:04
Speaker
um you know a lot will depend on kind of like the salary how much united will contribute because it's not a huge salary um the loan fee um you know what happens after that um Noah Okaphor is joining Leipzig probably today, Monday, so a left-winger has to come in, so there is ah a space for him there. um So, I mean, listen, we'll see how these how these how these talks go, um which one of them, if either of them, are are going to come. um My view of it is Rashford doesn't make sense for me because they've got
01:10:41
Speaker
Rafael Liao as their left winger. Rashford is a left winger, that's the only position you can play in. unless you go foot The only alternative is you go 4-4-2, which is what Concycel does. which is what conse sal does but can you play roughly out as ah left midfielder in a four four two is either right so i prepared for that i don't think is and don't think you can play lea he's not disciplined enough um he he he he won't defensively he can try to he can be willing to but i don't think he fits into that
01:11:12
Speaker
into the ah He needs to be in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 as a left winger. not ah ah i don't I don't see it working. I don't see you know how that works and Rashford certainly isn't going to come and join as a backup or rotation player.
01:11:28
Speaker
um He's not gonna do that so the rashford one doesn't make sense for me. I think rashford to to napoli or even to your ventus I think and you ventus have ah have held some preliminary talks as well I think rashford to your ventus or to napoli would make a lot more sense. There's a position there. They could start and you know, for Napoli, he'll just come in as a direct placement for Cavada, Neres can go onto the other side, um and for Juventus, you know, Yildiz, as I just mentioned, he can play in the center, take Koop miners out of that role he can't play, or he can go on the right, you know, and then Rashford can play on the left. um So,
01:12:06
Speaker
you know I think it would make more sense for one of those two teams than for Milan. As for Walker though, as as for Walker, just to finish off, I think yeah for 18 months he hasn't had a good season. He's obviously a bit past his best, but I think he could be useful because that is a problem position for Milan. The Italian league is slightly slower than the English league. I think for 18 months that could be a a decent buy.
01:12:29
Speaker
I think Rashford, it makes sense for all three others that you mentioned, because I think that Concy Cai wants to move. This kind of ties in with my previous point about giving Concy Cai what he needs to work, they need to back him. And if he needs Marcus Rashford to play his football, then they should bring in Marcus Rashford for him to play his football.
01:12:45
Speaker
I mean, it's just, it's very, very simple for me in that aspect. I think Rashford works in a 4-4-2. What then happens with Liao? Can you play him as a wide midfielder in a 4-4-2? Well, that remains to be seen. Do you play Liao and Rashford in a 4-4-1-1 if you want? I mean, but those are tactical choices that Consistat has to make, but I do i do see, and I don't think it's,
01:13:10
Speaker
it's illogical for them to want Marcus Rashford, especially with Okafor leaving the club due to constantly being injured and and so on. so but so so yeah no i And and know of course Morata, I think it makes sense actually. i think I think it does make sense. They're going to move away from from playing one way into another.
01:13:32
Speaker
um So I'd say all three of them, make him going to all three makes sense. More so for me at Milan and and and Napoli than perhaps Juventus, I'd say. But of course, you know, yeah we'll have to wait and see. But it's um it's an interesting one. um You know, of course, Milan being found being founded by a Nottingham butcher, Herbert Kilpin, and now returning to their roots by going full English. Full English. It's really, really interesting. Karl Walker, look, I'm not his biggest fan. There's more English players than Italian players. yeah There's no Italian players. They were founded by a nottoning and Nottingham butcher. yeah So, you know, it it is really going back to their roots. Karl Walker, I've never been a big fan of. I think tactically he's brain dead. He's quick, he's reactive, but tactically it' it's like another Calabria.
01:14:26
Speaker
just better going forward. I'm not as big as fan. Terrible going forward. What? Terrible going forward, Kyle Walker. That's his gift. Which says everything. I mean, again, it's like, I don't know, man, it's I am not Kyle Walker's biggest fan. I think he has me can maybe do be serviceable for a while. He's had a bad season, but I don't know. I think
01:14:53
Speaker
yeah He's had a bad season, but i mean for 18 months, I don't know. He's got the experience, he's brilliant one on one, he never gets done one on one. You know, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. ah we're We're way over, so we'll have to go very quickly through Lazio and Bologna games. So Lazio draw with Korm or Lazio were poor, very poor, dominated early stages. Paz, until Paz got injured, Paz could have had a hat trick early on. um Then Lazio managed to get ahead.
01:15:26
Speaker
um Gendozy with a miss of the season. Yes, Gendozy with a terrible miss. And then the chow on our red really kind of cost them and Connell came back and and got the deserved win.
Lazio's Discipline Issues
01:15:37
Speaker
I'm the only, the deserved draw, sorry. The only thing I would say is that like, like again, like what I said off the Roma game is lats you need to keep their heads because you know while Juventus and Milan slipping up again and you know if they actually keep their heads they've got a real chance in the top four but they didn't keep their heads in the Roma game at the end, got players suspended like Castellanos and now they they don't keep their heads here. Ciao Ana with a brain dead moment to get himself sent off and you're already on a yellow.
01:16:03
Speaker
um And, you know, they're already missing Castellanos, Akani, Gila, because they're all suspended. And then Pedro, Vasino, Patrick, injured. um You know, so they're already sort of like, you've got to keep your heads and you've got to win these games. So, yeah, kind of the indiscipline cost them this game, both dating back to the end of the Roma game and within this game um as a whole.
Colmo vs Lazio and Fabregas' Potential
01:16:26
Speaker
And, yeah, one positive aspect, though, was Bulleidia. I thought he was he was he was a positive.
01:16:32
Speaker
thing for them to get him going. um And you know, Tavaresh coming on. No, it it was it was it felt good. ah like it was they They will be a little bit, like you said, they have to keep their heads and they have to maintain calm and and serenity, which is difficult in Rome after you lose a derby. like it's It's not easy. it's It's a very special place. But they have everything to play for. um I thought they were you know they the they if they had been a little bit more cynical and clinical, they would have probably won this game.
01:17:06
Speaker
um But, you know, I'm not too, like, worried about Lazio. I think a draw at home against Como Que is not the best thing in the world, but it's not either the worst thing either. But they have Verona away and then the Real Sociedad, which is really important at home.
01:17:25
Speaker
um where they can secure ah top eight in the Europa League, which is going to be important for them because they also have lots of games coming along. They've got the Copa Italia against Inter, they have the Serie A, and of course they're going to be in the knockout stages of the Europa League, and so they can really do with that rest.
Roma vs Bologna Match Highlights
01:17:40
Speaker
Yeah, Colmo, word of praise for Colmo. They were without, they're two kind of like big name players, Sergi, Roberto and Peroni. And their third big name player, Paz, got injured after 20 minutes. um I don't know how long he's going to be out, for but they still played their football. They got their player playing. Fabregas is where they're playing. I like Fabregas and I'm interested to see what he does with better players and with the better team, but with better players. And Colmo are being active this month. We've just signed another player, Kakare, as well.
01:18:06
Speaker
from ah Leon so you know they um yeah it's I'm a little bit like I still want to wait before saying anything off fabric I think he's got certain things that I find very interesting in terms of attacking patterns of play and stuff but I I don't know I there's something that annoys me with him I I don't know if he's ready or if it's just you know teething issues in his career well he's young isn't he yeah of course patll and I want to wait you know come I don't have a good team let's be honest like on paper instant team on paper they're probably a relegation team on paper I don't know. I think there are worse teams on the month than them on paper, but I think he's doing an all alright job. I think they have an interesting team, but I don't know. I just I just want to wait before saying anything. Roma for laron i was ro <unk>ia roma was it was a fantastic game. 2-2. Great second half. All the goals in the second half. 98th minute Dobbic penalty.
01:18:55
Speaker
Bologna are guilty of considering the late goal again, but Roma also showing good spirit again. We're coming back and and showing that kind of like what what ah Ranieri has instilled in them, and despite yeah Roma not having a perfect game. in know Roma took the lead and then they kind of considered two really bad goals um in quick succession to throw it away and then but they still managed to to come back and get ah get a draw so that was it was an entertaining game and it was a result that really in the end kind of yeah not really yet useful for either team but but for the neutral it was it was a good game.
Referee Challenges and Game Dynamics
01:19:31
Speaker
Yeah it it was and and I have to say i I'm not a big fan of that referee Abiso but he actually got
01:19:39
Speaker
the most decisions spot on. They were both penalties. um it was it was it was a It was a very difficult game to to manage because it was very fiery in the second half. and I have to say one thing about Gianluca Mancini, sometimes he drives me insane. with with they like When your teammate is about to take a penalty and you're arguing with the referee, despite having won that penalty, forcing your teammate to stand there for an extra two, three minutes, contemplating, it's just, what is wrong with you? like Did you see that? Dov Bic is standing there for three minutes because Mancini is arguing over a penalty that Roma have already won.
01:20:19
Speaker
I mean, it's just Jesus Christ on a cracker. It's just have some, you know, use your head sometimes, control yourself. It's just, I mean, if you would have missed that, I mean. Yeah, just make it more difficult, isn't it? Yeah, yeah it's just, oh, that was just so annoying to watch. But other than that.
01:20:39
Speaker
It was nice to see Fagison back um and and, you know, recovering, returning to something that resembles the form that he had before the injury.
Serie A Highlights and Relegation Concerns
01:20:48
Speaker
um it was It was a fun game to watch and the seller makers playing 1-1 with themselves because, you know, it was a howler.
01:20:56
Speaker
But he scores and then he loses the ball for the equalizer. Yeah, so now it was a it was a it was an entertaining game for the neutrals Yeah, it was mark continue to avoid losing great. No, no. Yeah, absolutely rest of the weekend Serie A won. Let's say three general one palm and and recording this before Monza against Fiorentina on Monday and then also this midweek and there is the the matches that were missed due to the supercopper in Saudi Arabia. So we've got on Tuesday, Conmore, Milan, and then a big game, Atalante, Juventus, huge match for both teams. And then Wednesday, we have Inter versus Bologna.
01:21:38
Speaker
Just one note on Lechter. Christovich scores a brace. The second goal in particular was stunning. But my god, he should have had four. like he Even for the first goal, Lechter scored, he should be burying that. um But at least he he gets back to scoring Lechter when, as for Genoa, look, Patrick Vieira is doing a decent job there. Frendrup scores the winner. they They continue to not concede. And if I'm looking at Paraman, I'm thinking,
01:22:06
Speaker
Is the Pekja party at part of my coming to an end? Because they need to watch out. Otherwise they could seriously be in a ring. No, that they they were unlucky with the goal. The goal was one of the biggest flute goals I've i've ever seen. But yeah, he's Pekja. Yeah, he's he's not he's not he's not doing enough for me with the squad he's got. and they they They have a lot of good players in that squad and and I don't think he's doing well enough.
Premier League Highlights and Personal Stories
01:22:28
Speaker
um Okay, let's finish off with Badger, Prem Face and Celia Ass of the Week.
01:22:33
Speaker
So Bad Joe, I've got one, um which is not from the studio, but it's a former Serie A player, Joshua Zirksi, sending Saliba to the hot that hot dog stand twice in the same move. ah Did you see this towards the end of the game? Wonderful. I'm not sure if he nut-maked him twice or only nut-maked him once, because it's really difficult to see, but the way he did it, it was absolutely magnificent. It's just so beautiful.
01:23:00
Speaker
Yeah, it was beautiful. It was the kind of play that we kind of fell in love with last season. And and yeah, he he had a positive performance off the bench, scored the winning penalty in the shootout for um but Man United against Arsenal in the FA Cup to knock Arsenal out. Arsenal somehow went out of that game with ah with an XG of like 3.5 or something, and Man United it was like 0.3.
01:23:24
Speaker
yeah I've got two banjos. Lautaro's first touch, absolutely exquisite for the goal. Kistoevich's second goal, stunning. Go watch that. Just go watch lecher is generally the the advice. And then um finally, ah we got one from our patron, which I thought was a beautiful story.
01:23:44
Speaker
ah Joe Fischetti said, I've got a bad Joe of the week for you, I'm not sure if you guys have heard about this, but a young Napoli fan named Daniele passed away last weekend after a long battle with his illness. I'm not sure if it was cancer or something else, just know that he was ill for a long while. He became a bit of a mascot for the team. You might have seen Anguista dedicating his goals against Genoa and Udinese through Daniele.
01:24:04
Speaker
um It seems Anguisa was especially close to the family. ah Yesterday the team wore black armbands in memory of Daniele and after the match Daniele's mother and two other family members, I think his brother and non-no, joined the players on the pitch to celebrate celebrate with the fans. ah Numerous players gave warm embraces to Daniele's mother, very fitting as well that Anguisa scored a goal and earned the man of the match on us. I thought that was beautiful.
01:24:28
Speaker
yeah Yeah, that's a great one. Great shout. Let's do Prem Face of the Week. You've got this one. No, no, take it away. Matt Latissier. I've only just saw this. I don't know when this was from, but he just embarrassed Jamie Carragher. Apparently, there's a video on Twitter. Someone said, I don't know when he said this or what what clip where this clip is from, but it is so funny.
01:24:55
Speaker
Basically, Matt Latissier is talking about Jamie Carragher phoning him up on the street, like he's walking there with his wife and Jamie Carragher calls up and he's yelling and shouting abuse at him. For Latissier making a comment.
01:25:10
Speaker
about when Jamie Carragher spat at a child from his car, which he did. um And it's the way Leticia talks about it is so, so funny. And the way that Carragher is just kind't threatening him, saying, I'm going to embarrass you on social media every time you tweet, I'm all over that and stuff. like It is so funny.
01:25:32
Speaker
and i just it's It's pure, pure comedy. I don't know when he said this. I'm just watching it now as you speak and it's absolutely hilarious. It's to one of the funniest things I've ever seen and it's such a character thing to do. um and and And I think that Leticia says it best at the end when he's like, listen, mate, you you need to own up to your actions. You did this.
01:25:52
Speaker
and whether you like to be reminded of it or not you still in a moment of madness decided to sp spit spit in the face of a girl towards a girl and you're just gonna have to run about that yeah in front of it that's just on you not on anyone else and you know that's just how it is and you can't blame everyone else for that and and i think he's right ah The Lovelace
Racial Abuse in Italian Football
01:26:14
Speaker
is here. What a player as well. Seria ass of the week um I've gone for fabric ass. Did you see how he was dressed match? Oh my god, it was like 2005
01:26:28
Speaker
half baggy faded jeans. Do you remember that? yeah That was a terrible era. There was a kind of mid-noughties where jeans went went for a really bad era. where You look back at it now and you and even i mean I remember wearing them and I'm thinking, wow, why was I wearing those jeans? It looked awful, like terrible. um But then on top he was wearing like this fleece and it was just like such a standard fleece. And then really basic trainers and they didn't go to, it he just looked awful. Like just just just just go and watch the highlights of the of the game and see what Pabregas is wearing. He just dresses so badly. I remember when he was at Barcelona and Arsenal and they're like, there was one image of him, I think at Barcelona where they all go out and he was dressed so bad. Like he he really, he doesn't know how to dress. Let's just say that. but Maybe I'm being a bit mean, but oh my God. Like, yeah.
01:27:26
Speaker
Yeah, I've got two. They're both from Serie B and one more horrific than the other, um the way that this is handled. It's another racism scandal in Italian football, this time in the Serie B. And Akinsan Miro, Nigerian player owned by Inter on loan at Sampdoria, they're playing against Brescia away.
01:27:48
Speaker
um He receives racist abuse from the Brescia Curva. Sampdoria score and then he react and then when he when they score, he reacts in a way that is genuinely heartbreaking to watch because he can just tell how that racist abuse really got to him. He's like jumping on the ground pretending to be like you know He's like, you're making monkey chance at me. Who's the monkey now? So he like mimics a gorilla and an ape to mock them. But he the whole situation is so sad because then the referee books him because he's inciting the crowd. And then afterwards, he was probably the best player on the pitch before that.
01:28:30
Speaker
Afterwards, he's completely site mentally destabilized, almost gets himself sent off by rash challenges. Semplici takes him off and is hugging him as he takes him off. I mean, it's soul-crushing to watch. the whole The whole thing is just so soul-crushing to watch. And the game wasn't stopped. ah I mean, they didn't follow their own protocol in that sense. They didn't stop the game and and and they didn't they should have cleared the stands or or whatever, but it's just this this can't keep happening. And we had the same thing again in Rejana Bari, where Mehti Dorval the Bari player was facing racist chants and the game stopped for like seven minutes. It's just these scenes are just so soul-crushing. And my heart goes out to Akinsan Miro so much because
01:29:21
Speaker
yeah he's only He's only turned 20 in November, he shouldn't have to deal with this bullshit. I'm sorry, no one should have to deal with this bullshit. Yeah, it's sad, but unfortunately it keeps happening, doesn't it? So, what else can you do? it was just such it was It was genuinely just like, it really, like when you watch it, you just want to die. Like it's just, it's so... Ugh. So he's a young kid as well, I mean, yeah.
01:29:50
Speaker
Horrible things. Horrible, yeah.
Episode Conclusion and Listener Q&A
01:29:52
Speaker
Okay, let's leave it at that, guys. um We'll be back in the week with with the the Q and&A and also definitely at least one more episode later in the week as well. So watch out for that. um But until then, till next time, ciao ciao.