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Should AC Milan Sack Sergio Conceicao NOW? (Clip From Ep. 498)
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After yet another loss in Serie A following a defensive and individual collapse, voices are being raised if AC Milan will and should Sergio Conceicao before the end of the season.
Nima Tavallaey and Carlo Garganese detail and list all the things that have gone wrong so far before analyzing and discussing how the Rossoneri move on this season as well as further on next season.
This is an extended clip from this week's free Monday episode of The Italian Football Podcast which is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube podcasts.
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Milan's Performance Under Conceição
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian Football Podcast. the first question is is constantly sell because cons sell already ahead of this game there was talk that you know he was in the hot seat now there is a very very big question yeah he risked the sat now immediately um what what happens what do milan do the results have been worse under Conceição, much worse actually than they were under Fonseca, which is incredible really.
00:00:30
Speaker
um And, you know, everything that I expected from Conceição, like we knew his limitations at Porto. We knew that Porto maybe didn't create that enough, you know, of an offensive outfit, Porto weren't the best, but we knew that, but Conceição is fantastically fantastic at setting up a team, defensively solid,
00:00:51
Speaker
The team that fights spirit for one another, never gives up. I mean, I think they have the record. ah i think he has the record in Portugal for most wins or points gained from losing positions or comeback wins or something along those lines.
00:01:05
Speaker
But a team that has a great spirit, but a team that is a team. you know well i mean i think which it never was Which it never was under Fonseca. And that was I thought he would definitely bring that.
00:01:18
Speaker
But he hasn't. I think he this isn't you The comeback goals, the the goals from behind that Milan have had, the equal, I mean, even Chukwueza yesterday yeah with 10 men.
Team Cohesion Issues at Milan
00:01:31
Speaker
i think i don't think I can't pin this on Konsei Sao because, as you said, i think he said, and and we spoke about it I think, was it a week ago or two weeks ago, when he went when when when they they make such insane individual howlers that...
00:01:49
Speaker
I don't know how you tactically... like we can't talk they have done They have done in in in in many games. but i think I think yesterday they definitely did as well. Well, they did, but they were they were they were awful. They've been awful in these last two games as a whole. that They haven't been a team in these last two games. They definitely weren't a team either there. There was no cohesion, no synergy. is is It was a team of individuals last night.
00:02:11
Speaker
It was a team that that still lacked discipline. ah and it's a team that was getting cut open time and time again that especially in the first well all game I'm honest all game Latsby had an XG of 2.9 in this game um you're not a team if you have an XG of 2.9 they were getting cut open time and time again and the midfield The midfield is a joke, is an absolute joke. For Fahna and Moussa as centre midfield, they can't control a game at all.
00:02:40
Speaker
So the opposition will always dominate midfield when those two are playing. they can't They can't build from the back. They're not very good in possession or or passing or pass in the ball. But they're not even able to protect the defence either. They're getting cut through every single time.
00:02:53
Speaker
Now that's... I don't really blame that on Conceição, really, because those are the players he's got. But at least, like I said, at Porto, his teams were were solid. They weren't getting cut through. They weren't conceding ah conceding chances. And you know the last two games against Bologna and against... ah The game last two games against Bologna and Lazio, we can't go back to the whole, oh, it's blunders that that are costing them.
00:03:16
Speaker
Because, yes, OK, they're still making blunders, but they would have been outplayed. in these two matches. They were outplayed yesterday, absolutely.
Structural Challenges and Management Criticism
00:03:24
Speaker
I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that, and Balazzo are a very good side.
00:03:30
Speaker
you know I'm talking about the entirety of the Conceição era so far. so far I don't see, i don't think that we can, looking at it as a whole, say that he has failed as much as this Milan squad is constructed so unbelievably poorly. Well, yeah, and I want to come on to that in a minute.
00:03:52
Speaker
um about the the the But what i guess my point is this. I expected Conce Seltz to come in and at least make them solid, at least make them hard to score against, at least make them, you know... Fight more. And I think he has this to an extent. Well, yeah, maybe he's but he's made them fight fight a little bit and and they've scored late goals and everything. But...
00:04:13
Speaker
the The point is they've not improved at all. The point the the results have been far, far worse. The defence has even got worse under him, which is crazy that the defence has got worse. They conceded more goals, more chances than they were under Fonseca.
00:04:27
Speaker
ah And they've they've completely they' completely, like you said, they're in complete freefall now. um It's complete shit show. And I'm not, like I said, like I'll come to you in a minute. I don't even know whether I can blame that on Consist Cell. I'm just saying that under Consist Cell, things have got worse.
00:04:43
Speaker
No, they have. I mean, I think it's it's like they they they put they put him there to stop the bleeding, but the problem is that the damage that was done was done to an artery, and putting a Snoopy band-aid on that, not going to work.
00:05:00
Speaker
Um... This is such a poorly constructed team. The senators of the team are, I mean, Hernandez for the first goal.
00:05:14
Speaker
Again. What is that? What is that for the first goal? Just look at how he defends before Zakani scores the rebound on the left-hand side.
00:05:30
Speaker
It's
00:05:33
Speaker
ah he he He plays... That is the kind of error you expect from a schoolboy. From someone who's 16, 17, who's not played first-team football. it's It's just unwatchable.
00:05:47
Speaker
And when you do that... and you concede, it sends shockwaves through the team, who are already mentally in a bad place, and everyone starts second-guessing, and insecurity spreads, and then you see the rest.
00:06:05
Speaker
And, yeah you know, Moussa being taken off for Joao Felix as a technical decision in the 36th minute, who Moussa was not good. I think there were three players who got fours or four and a halves in the ratings at Gazeta yesterday.
00:06:22
Speaker
Teo was one, Moussa was one, Jimenez was one, I think. I mean, it's just... Yeah, the the way that they were getting cut open was, I mean, there was even before and that, the the goal, there was there was one when Dia was cleaned through and Manuel made a great save, um you know, where you just think that this isn't a team, it's just not a unit. and There's no cohesion. that the deal was The departments of the field were stretched all over the pitch, like massive gaps between between the defence the midfield and the midfield and the attack.
00:06:53
Speaker
You just do not associate that with Conceição teams. The Conceição teams are always very compact. There's no much space between each department, which is how any top should And gritty and energetic and well, exactly, well organised and all of that. And while all of this is going on, the Courvois-Soud boycotted the beginning of the game and then...
00:07:13
Speaker
they were chanting Cardinale piss off, Cardinale you have to sell. Throughout the entire game. Throughout the entire game. Yeah. mean, the whistles and boos. I mean, I mean, the halftime boos were some of the loudest boos I have ever heard at the San Siro. Yeah. Like it was, it was a hurricane.
00:07:36
Speaker
Well, it's like Concey Sal said it in the game. Gabby has said it as well. like It's a very difficult environment to play in. It's difficult. you know so is you know energy Everything is energy. And when you've got just this negative energy, it cripples it cripples you.
00:07:53
Speaker
And it makes it very, very difficult, ah both and physically. ah mentally, psychologically. you have to be yeah you where they're already strong players yeah You have to have strong players. You have to have strong players. and it's very difficult It's very difficult. i
Zlatan Ibrahimovic's Role and Influence
00:08:07
Speaker
mean That brings us on. i mean There was a statement from the Ultras before the game.
00:08:10
Speaker
and I want to read it out because because it will it will sum up kind of ah the discussion really right now about Milan moving forward and and and those that are running the club. and The statement, this is before the game,
00:08:22
Speaker
Right? It's even worse after the game. It's only early March and our season is almost at its final chapter. Two derby matches in the Coppa Italia and are your last chance to regain a shred of dignity or to certify your total failure. The blame lies clearly and unjustifiably with an entirely invisible ownership, with Cardinale being absent from Milan since September, which chose to eliminate a key figure like the sporting director, fundamental for building a competitive team and ensuring a constant and constructive presence at Milanello.
00:08:54
Speaker
Instead, they have entrusted Milan's image to collaborators. ah so That's a director, Ibrahimovic, that is, who have distinguished themselves solely through ridiculous ridiculous disguises or interviews, cough, cough, speed, that go beyond absurdity.
00:09:10
Speaker
No, cough, GQ. Did you see and read that GQ interview? I am sorry. Yes, I think he was very stylish. I think he had and he looked really good. He's always very well-dressed. It was absolutely fantastic.
00:09:25
Speaker
um You know, people... Yeah, but that's exactly it. I mean, some people said, oh, he looks like ah Yugoslav Lucius Malfoy. They said he looked like... if I don't care about that. you lu powerfulfo But I don't care about that. I think he was really good. The issue was i i the nonsense that he was spewing.
00:09:43
Speaker
you know Comparing Jerry Cardinale to the guy who they made the film wolf a Wolf of Wall Street about, who is a convicted criminal, by the way.
00:09:54
Speaker
ah i mean, the the nonsense that he keeps spewing time and time again, this this these ridiculous statements. And and i noticed it already when I was in Milan, last time i was in Milan in September ahead of the Derby, that he people were laughing at him.
00:10:10
Speaker
in Milan for the first time ever. They just weren't taking him seriously. And this is something I wanted to bring up as well, because the mess that I think is here is that yeah I think Zlatan has become a little bit unsackable because Zlatan's role is with Redbird.
00:10:29
Speaker
He's the senior advisor at Redbird. And Zlatan is also a very rich man who has so far, to put it diplomatically, not excelled in business, whether it's vitamin drinks, betting, ah clothes companies.
00:10:44
Speaker
But he has a lot of money to and and a big portfolio to manage. And there are reports saying that he is an investor in Redbird. So if he's an investor at Redbird and he's also, and I'm not saying that that is the case, but I've seen reports state that he has invested at Redbird.
00:11:02
Speaker
that he's a financial partner of Jerry Cardinal. There's a conflict of interest there. Yeah. If he's that, if that's true, and he's also a senior advisor to Redbird at Milan, that makes him virtually unsackable, and he's new at this job.
00:11:18
Speaker
This makes it an absolute perfect shitstorm. Well, let me let me let me carry on the just don yes let me carry let me carry on the the statement from the Milan Ultras. and This is the first time ever, by the way, that I've i've actually agreed but with a statement from an ultra group, if I can say.
00:11:35
Speaker
The blame lies clearly and unjustifiably with an entire entirely invisible ownership, as I said. um and who chose to eliminate a key figure like the sporting director, fundamental for building a competitive team and ensuring a constant and constructive presence in Milanese.
00:11:50
Speaker
Instead, they have entrusted Milantovic to collaborators who have distinguished themselves solely through ridiculous disguises or interviews that go beyond absurdity. This, however, cannot excuse the other key figures responsible for this disaster.
00:12:00
Speaker
The coach, who compared to his predecessor, has not changed the team's approach on the pitch to the slightest. If anything, he has deepened internal divisions, with the poor results and lack of gameplay we all know. On Sunday, we will start leaving you alone by entering the stands only at the 15th minute, hoping that the rest of the stadium does the same, which is what happened.
00:12:17
Speaker
If we do not see significant changes in performance and above all in attitude, we will completely abandon you, leaving you alone with your
Criticism of Milan's Ownership Model
00:12:24
Speaker
shame. At the end of the season, a deep reset at the club will be necessary.
00:12:28
Speaker
The American model proposed so far has failed in every aspect. Strong decisions, major changes and structural reforms are needed. With a new leadership composed of real football experts, only then can the most glorious club in Italy be rebuilt with seriousness, bringing fans back to breathe the Milan spirit that you have destroyed in recent years.
00:12:49
Speaker
And yeah, I think that that really, that sums up all the key talking points. That sums up everything, doesn't it? key talking points, really. it really does. I guess, which is what I'm coming to with Conceit. Can we keep blaming the manager at Milan?
00:13:03
Speaker
Just like, can we keep blaming all the Man United managers of the last 10 years or all the Juventus managers of the last five years? When those running the club and the key departments in the clubs, in these clubs, um and the incompetence in the key areas in these clubs, when they're failing and when it's so everything is is is being run so badly, it becomes impossible in the pitch.
00:13:29
Speaker
you know the The results on the pitch are natural consequence of of a failing club and a failing leadership. And I think that with Milan, I think that's clearly that's clearly the starting point. here That's that's the clearly the number one issue at Milan.
00:13:46
Speaker
You know, the media... I'm sorry, I have to say this, but the media won't call out the likes of Cardinale or Zlatan when they're discussing Milan's problems because because they have you know a relationship with them. They grant them access. They're nice to them. access you know Access. Access journalism is what you call. Which isn't journalism. But the fans are not stupid. The fans know that.
00:14:07
Speaker
That's why the fans and are going after Cardinale, Zlatan, the leadership. you know And I have good relationships with people at Milan. I'm not saying same i'm not saying that... I have friends who work at Milan. I consider them friends. They're good people. and and and and And so I'm not blaming this on everyone. not saying everybody at Milan is useless. I'm saying that from the top,
00:14:28
Speaker
It's not working. It's fading. No, it's the fish rots from the head down. yeah This is not a medium-level management issue. This is an ownership issue. Like I said, like we said last week, the the issue at Milan is very clearly that Since Redbird took over and got rid of Masara and Maldini, they have gotten every single decision which is related to the sporting side completely and utterly wrong.
00:15:00
Speaker
And it's getting worse and worse and worse. And there's no one steering the ship. really, that knows that there's no one qualified enough to be to steer the ship at Milan right now.
00:15:20
Speaker
I think the first the first thing to say is, like the like was said in the statement, this model, this American model has failed. A lot of people take the piss, but, you know, and this is exaggerated, but basing your strategy on a baseball movie,
00:15:36
Speaker
is I mean, i mean you know that i mean that there's i mean i mean i'm saying that for comic effect, but it's true. you know the thing is, American sports model is completely different. there's a lot about America that is that that I wish we would that we we would learn from. you know like the the revenue streams, the revenue stream marketing. Marketing number one.
00:15:59
Speaker
ah communication. um i don't know how many years you made on the bond and yeah yeah how many years have we done this pod and how many how many times have I said that the American sports model in terms of revenue and business has won it's won. It's won the award. The debate is over. Their way of doing business is the way to do it. And if you want to succeed, and you have to follow that model. yeah And that includes stadiums.
00:16:22
Speaker
That includes marketing. That includes communication. That includes sales. That includes everything. Right. So that is organization, organization, all of those things. Right.
00:16:33
Speaker
But you can't just take one way of doing things in one sport and copy paste it to another, in another country in a different, like it just doesn't work. Um, that's the issue here.
00:16:45
Speaker
I mean, it's, it's, it's like, I know that they're involved with, it mean know reminds me of, it reminds me of the time when the the, the, the head coach, head coach of the England rugby team that won the world cup,
00:16:58
Speaker
for for for England at rugby, and Woodward, Clive Woodward, wanted to get into football. And it was just a complete disaster because, you know, he tried to bring over the things from rugby that worked in rugby.
00:17:09
Speaker
It's a different sport. It's a different model. You know, you can't just take over things that you but worked in baseball and and bring that model over to to to to the sporting side of things in in football and think it's going to work.
00:17:23
Speaker
You know, you need a sporting director in football. Milan have not had a sporting director this this season, which is just insanity. And I'm not sure Fabio Paratici is who I would bring in. No, definitely not. No. I mean, like, it's and then I'm reading Cisq Fabregas as the coach. It's like...
00:17:43
Speaker
Oh, my God. Well, I think that Cesc Fabregas is going to be a big coach. I think he's fantastic. But yeah, he's he's not ready. He's not ready for what's going on here. But i mean, listen, if we talk about it conceptually, not having a sports and director is is one example of how, you know, the whole structure of Milan is being flawed. And I think they're going to correct that and they're going to bring in a sporting director.
00:18:05
Speaker
That's one example of the failed model. you know Then you have Zlatan in this position where he doesn't even have a title. He's some kind of unofficial...
00:18:16
Speaker
No, his official title is Senior Advisor to Red Bull. Well, there you go. Which is, well, is that is that a title? I don't call that title, you know, but okay, whatever. he's he isn't He hasn't really got a, I don't know what he, I still don't know really know what he does, what executive power he has, if anything. um He just seems to me, just seems to be used more for as a marketing ploy, but that's not, you know,
00:18:39
Speaker
he's He's not cut out to be, you know, I know he's not officially a director, but he's just not cut out as a personality to be a director, not being himself, which is what he's done at Milan generally. He's toned it down a little bit, but he's still being himself. Like given those interviews, you know, coming off as this kind of, you know, being that arrogant and individualistic, you can't be as a director.
00:18:59
Speaker
You can't. The funny thing is that's exactly what Scaroni said. who's actually one of the few competent people they've got, when they got rid of Maldini, that's exactly what Scaroni said. I remember because it really resonated with me. He said, when i they used to nickname me Stadioni because I was the one who was in charge of the stadium.
00:19:18
Speaker
But when Redbird came in, I realized that I had to be part of a team. but Those are his words. And ironically, they got rid of Maldini and Ricky Massara because they weren't able to play in part of necessarily.
00:19:30
Speaker
And then you've since seen seen that this club is no is not a team at all. It's just everyone's doing their own thing yeah um on the pitch and off the pitch. I remember that quote those quotes by Scaroni very vividly. but i think they were very yeah i but not the not example iling Nothing sums up. I tweeted this last night. Nothing sums up Ibrahimovic more. He'll never live this down, ever, the rest of his his career.
00:19:53
Speaker
When he did that that that interview with Speed, of all people, don't get me started on speed, um in the taxi. And they played a game. The first one to move is gay. And they sat in the taxi in Milan for five minutes, not moving.
00:20:08
Speaker
And Milan actually published that. and So this is Latam. This is what he's doing. he' games have already He's doing interviews. he's doing he's He's playing these stupid games that that that we played when we were four years old.
00:20:22
Speaker
You know, you play when you're four years old. um and and And he's playing that with speed. And his role is senior advisor at Redbird. Like, again, it's... Do you see, like, first of all, can you... You know, Javier Zanetti does lots of interviews for Inter, inter although he's the vice president. He has a much more ambassador role.
00:20:43
Speaker
Marotta, Auxilio, Bacin, even Antonello. um or Juve, even Giuntoli, do you see them doing anything like that? Do you see anyone at any other club and in that kind of or directorial role sitting with an influencer playing games?
00:20:58
Speaker
No, because you have to be serious. No, have to serious. I mean, I do think there's a larger issue in Italian football as a whole, which isn't just Milan in this kind of obsession with um kind of producing viral...
00:21:13
Speaker
childish social media content. Juventus are doing a lot of it as well, which is driving me mad um as well. they're They're not the only club. this yeah was The shouldn't be involved. as type but Yeah, absolutely. That's what I was coming to.
00:21:26
Speaker
you're not going to do this stupid childish content, which doesn't do anything to help grow the club, I can tell you that for sure. you know If you're going to hire naked chefs and and and all these idiots, yeah then then whatever.
00:21:41
Speaker
But, you know, The boardroom is involved. yeah Don't get you ah your director involved. I mean, this is the this is what gets me. It's the boardroom that's involved. I don't know of any sports where the boardroom, where the directors are doing these things, because they need to maintain that some some form of decorum and professionalism. That's where this is But I think that sums up. That's why it sticks out as much as it does because you've never ever seen in any professional sports anyone with a managerial role, any directorial role of of any note doing this kind of nonsense.
00:22:13
Speaker
No. At any sport, any league, at top level. You just don't see that. And there's a reason why you don't see that. People want to maintain their authority. Because you don't take someone seriously when they make And that's whole point I've been making all season. It's the point I made about even with Teo Hernandez dying his hair pink. that that it This sums up Milan under this ownership, this season in particular, that it's not a serious club. It's a circus.
00:22:37
Speaker
It's been circus. It really is. It's been a circus. that That's the whole point I made with Teo Hernandez. But there's obviously bigger problems than than the colour of someone's hair. Of course there is. But it just is it sums up where where Milan are right now. And like ultras said, this model...
00:22:54
Speaker
It's failed and it needs to, I mean, i don't know what the solution is. I guess the initial question we asked was, should Conceição be sacked? Well, I think it's for certain that he's not going to be there next season. i mean That's guaranteed. The question is, is it worth sacking him now between now and the end of the season? I guess that's the question. Should they bring someone in?
00:23:11
Speaker
just to try and... No, who would that be? Well, I don't think... well I just kind of guess from Serie A's point of view, it's pointless because is is not you can't risk things now. It's not like you're three or six points behind. like Say Juventus were to go in ah on a couple lose a couple of games that it would it might be worth it for Juventus to do it because they want to bring someone in just for a jolt to try and get them over the line for the top four. Well, Milan, that's gone. So it's pointless. So really, you're bringing in someone what for? Just to maybe try and win the Coppa Italia, which isn't going to change the outcome of your season.
00:23:42
Speaker
So is it, I guess, is it worth it? Is the point? I don't know. i At this point, I really don't know. um I think it's just finish the season and then every Everyone is under exam.
00:23:54
Speaker
Like everyone is... Well, i guess the big question, bigger question is what what happens with the ownership now? I mean, we know what the fans want. Yeah, but he's he's not going to go anywhere. So he's he's not going to go anywhere. They're not going to go anywhere.
00:24:08
Speaker
What can he do to turn this around? He can build an actual proper structure. you can bring in a sporting director with executive powers, similar to Marotta, similar to Giuntoli, similar to someone who, Sartori, whoever you want to use as an example. He needs to bring someone in, ah as someone who has a diretorio tecnico, with a sporting director working under him, similar to what they had under Maldini and Massara. How about bring back Maldini?
00:24:32
Speaker
It's not going to happen. He's never going to accept that. You think that Paolo Maldini's pride allows him to come back to Milan after that, after how he's been treated? I would say, yeah, I would say very, very unlikely. And there too many egos involved from both sides. but It's Paolo Maldini. You literally took a shit on a person. no i quote it's it's It was as close to God in that club that you can get to.
00:24:56
Speaker
You completely humiliate him. When you sacked him, you what was it, 11 words? when you sacked him you didn't what was it eleven words Yeah, it was it was embarrassing. i mean, what are you talking about? And this on the on the on the back of the first year where you extended his contract 10 minutes to midnight.
00:25:11
Speaker
like what you there's no what are we What are we talking about here? there's There's no way that he's going to do that. like he is He will have no authority. And if he were to do it, it's only out of love, which is, again, the wrong reasons anyway, because you want someone there to professional.
00:25:25
Speaker
They need someone with experience, know-how, knowledge, knowledge, who can steer a ship and steer a club of Milan's stature and find a role for Ibrahimovic, find a role for everyone and get them pulling the right direction. He's unsackable, Carlo.
00:25:44
Speaker
He's unsackable. Well, he can keep his shares and just and just not be in a... You think he's going to accept that? Do you want to piss off your investor? I mean, do you know what I mean? Like, it's like they've put themselves ah in in ah in in a very, very precarious situation. Well, an investor wants to make money, and and they're losing money. Zlatan's richer than God. They're keeping people like Zlatan. Yeah, but Zlatan is already, like, he's not going to lose his money. at me Like, they're not they're not no one's banging on Milan's door to buy, like, banging on their door to buy Milan. So, it's is's not going to, like, he he want he needs to have something to do.
00:26:18
Speaker
and they need to find a role for him. And I don't understand why they just don't make him... you know I understand that he also is the kind of character who wants to learn the business world you know in that ridiculous quote where he talks about how Jerry Cardinal is the wolf of Wall Street, which is just mind-bendingly stupid thing to say, um equating the owner of your club with a convicted felon um because you think that he's cool because you know Hollywood is always right.
00:26:44
Speaker
with the meant that I mean, this this meant this this you know that that is the mental attitude that he's had all his life. And I get that. It's helped him a lot. But at some point, you have to kind of adapt with the times. And he is trying to do that. This is what he wants to do. He wants to learn the business world. He wants to understand that. And Jerry Cardinal is his mentor and blah, blah, blah, blah. I get all that, right?
00:27:03
Speaker
So he he wants a proper job. And he doesn't want to just be ah be a gimmick and a mascot. that That's the one thing he can his pride won't accept. That's fine. But he can't be the boss at Milan.
00:27:15
Speaker
He just can't. he cannot He's not ready to be that. I don't know if he'll ever be that. He certainly is not ready to be the big boss at Milan right now. He just just isn't.
00:27:27
Speaker
And I think it's evident. And they don't they need a proper boss at Milan. They need someone like like that that is the CEO of the sporting side.
00:27:38
Speaker
Yeah. Because this is an absolute shitstorm. They need a CEO and they need a sporting director. And then then from then on, they can lay out a plan and hire key people to do key jobs. And I'm sure that in that environment, actually, i think Zlatan could do something for Milan. i really think that.
00:27:57
Speaker
I just think that without... whether it Where he is in his career um as a direct director, investor, blah, blah, blah, or whatever you want to brand it, He can't be the leader.
00:28:09
Speaker
He doesn't have that experience. He doesn't have directorial experience. He was a fantastic footballer, one of the best of all time, if you will, in his position.
00:28:20
Speaker
But he is not a director. It doesn't work like that. And he doesn't know. and and all of Milan are confused generally.
00:28:33
Speaker
And he just he's trying to do what he used to do as a player to get out of it. And it's not working. It's just making people despise him and feel like he he then becomes a symbol of something larger, which is just is not fair on him either.