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Speaker: Okay, welcome back to the show.
Speaker: Very, very glad everyone could join us this week again, because this week we've got someone special.
Speaker: Someone who's helped me out on my journey a couple of times now through Zed, and it's Jake from Iceberg Racing.
Speaker: Jake, how you doing, mate?
Speaker: Good, good, mate.
Speaker: Thank you for having me.
Speaker: This is my first podcast, mate.
Speaker: So you're popping my cherry.
Speaker: I'm stoked.
Speaker: Oh, really?
Speaker: Yeah, mate.
Speaker: I haven't done one before.
Speaker: So I'm excited.
Speaker: Well, I hope I do it justice for you, mate.
Speaker: What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker: What could possibly go wrong?
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Speaker: This podcast is not sponsored by White Claw.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Well, it sounds like it should be.
Speaker: Well, tell you what, big news today, Jake, in the world of Z. And I think, you know, I sent you a few ideas of things I wanted to talk about in Twitter and I certainly want to get to that in particular.
Speaker: But I don't think we can start anywhere else than what happened today.
Speaker: Ageing.
Speaker: Ageing is upon us.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: I'll probably just start, like I just saw a very brief review of it.
Speaker: I haven't looked at it at all apart.
Speaker: I think Wagme just put something in Twitter, which I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting, which was a screenshot of the Discord.
Speaker: I haven't spent any time looking at it.
Speaker: So give us your thoughts.
Speaker: Can you maybe just walk me through what have they done with aging?
Speaker: Have you been across it yet?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker: And look, it's...
Speaker: You know, it's nothing new.
Speaker: We've known it's in the works for quite some time.
Speaker: For anyone that's, you know, been actively following, you know, Zed Twitter and Discord and Facundo and where his vision is, it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.
Speaker: Basically, there are six aging tiers.
Speaker: every time you reach a new tier in the aging process, then it takes you slightly longer to recuperate one stamina bar.
Speaker: So obviously, currently, everyone's starting off on level one, and you get the ability to add another race to your string every three hours.
Speaker: So you can race eight times a day, essentially.
Speaker: And then every 250 races, you're going to move up into the next tier.
Speaker: The time it takes to regenerate a stamina bar sort of exponentially goes up with the tiers.
Speaker: Off the top of my head, I believe it's four hours to recuperate a stamina bar for tier two and then eight, 16.48, I think it is.
Speaker: um okay i don't have them in front of me mate if you've got them there please correct me i feel like that's not 100 correct but i'm pretty sure 96 hours is the last um level six tier which would be roughly um you'd have the ability to race eight eight races in a day once a month um so if we sort of zoom out and have a look at what the um
Speaker: the landscape looks like in six or seven months time.
Speaker: Some of the dominant horses today, providing that they've been raced to their full potential, will basically be appearing on the track once a month, which from an outsider's perspective, if you don't own in any of them, I think it's a really cool thing.
Speaker: You know, obviously, if you do own some of them, then, you know, this is the game that we're living in and you've just got to survive and adapt.
Speaker: So here's a question for you.
Speaker: Question number one around strategy for your variants or your 1.0 monster horses.
Speaker: Do you just sit on them for six months?
Speaker: To what end?
Speaker: I mean... So that all the other 1.0 monster horses are raced out and aged, and then you can come in and race your eight races a day.
Speaker: Right, but, you know, if monster horses are sitting out, that's going to weaken the fields, and that's going to probably incentivise some of those monster horses to jump back in.
Speaker: Like, I don't think it's as cut and dry.
Speaker: And at the same time, over that time period, while you're sort of sitting there, other horses are levelling up to then even out the playing field a little bit as well.
Speaker: I think what it really does is it makes the stables that own these horses
Speaker: really think about what races they're going to enter.
Speaker: You know, I would expect that you'd see a lot less double up races for some of the elite entrance horses that can probably still turn a higher profit margin in top two races, quadruple ups and top threes potentially.
Speaker: Whereas in the past with no cap on ageing,
Speaker: And given paid racing volume, you sort of were, if your horse was profitable in double ups as well as those other manners, you're going to be chucking in them just to try and reach your race count every day and maximise as much.
Speaker: eth as you could whereas now it kind of doesn't make sense um so i can definitely see um field selection changing with with aging but i don't i don't necessarily think parking your horses for six or seven months is going to be a thing um i certainly parking them potentially to let some beasts get out of segmented levels
Speaker: that could definitely be something, especially now that people are gaining XP potentially 10 times as fast.
Speaker: You know, if you're in a segmented band with, you know, some really high-end races, you know, what comes to mind is the sort of sprint funnel in class one in that 576 to 600 band where you've got some really, really, really good horses, you know,
Speaker: getting close to that level 600.
Speaker: And given that the XP is now going to be gained so much quicker, it might make sense to park your horses for a week or two until those fields potentially get a little bit easier.
Speaker: But, you know, I'm not going to be parking my horses for six or seven months.
Speaker: Where's the fun in that?
Speaker: Which is what we're here to do at the end of the day.
Speaker: That's what we're here to do.
Speaker: As I said, this was an interesting thought I had when I just...
Speaker: when I saw this today.
Speaker: So I just did bring it up, Jake, and you'll be happy to know you're pretty much spot on, mate.
Speaker: The recovery time, three hours, four hours, eight hours, 24, 48, 96 to level six.
Speaker: So you are the Z man as we all knew you were.
Speaker: So that's kind of all good.
Speaker: And yeah, Ryan talking about 10X faster, which is kind of interesting.
Speaker: I've been asking this question
Speaker: And it's finally answered, but I've been asking this question for, oh, well, since I started this podcast, I think, which is, you know, how many races is in the life of a horse?
Speaker: And before the aging came in, like it was like 2,500 races per tier, if you're saying it's an order of magnitude, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, that kind of lined out to if I wanted to race from 401 through to 500, that was 2,500 races.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Quite the grind.
Speaker: Quite a daunting task if you get breed a 401 or a 301.
Speaker: And, you know, personally, from my perspective with breeding 3.0, I've had a lot of breeds fall into those lower ranges that, you know,
Speaker: would probably be really good towards those upper bands.
Speaker: And I just didn't have the bandwidth or the, um, the energy to, um, to race them.
Speaker: So they ended up getting sold off for pennies on the dollar and, um,
Speaker: A lot of stables have picked those up and they're having fun of them, which is great.
Speaker: But it's all changed now.
Speaker: If your horses are levelling up exponentially quicker, and now that we've got segmented pades in the lower classes as well, you really should be getting bang for your buck on any breed you're doing these days and being able to enjoy racing it through the grade.
Speaker: And, you know, hopefully racing it for the next six months before it, you know, gets parked and you can bring it out of retirement once a month for a tournament or something like that.
Speaker: So let's go and have a look at... Let's jump in and do a quick Horku filter.
Speaker: Let's have a look at some legendary knacks and what do you reckon, like starting level 500 to 510 kind of thing, which typically...
Speaker: Would it be Park if someone may have bred that cheap and then want to get rid of it cheap?
Speaker: Well, I think Class 1's potentially not the best example here because we've had segmented levels from Class 1 from 5 to 5.25, then 5.26 to 5.50, and more recently 5.51 to 5.75, and now a fourth band.
Speaker: So Class 1's always had that segmentation.
Speaker: I feel like my Class 1 breeds are more likely to race them when they are a 5.01,
Speaker: Then if you, you know, previously landed with a 401, initially you had no segmentation.
Speaker: Then you had one band of segmentation to 425.
Speaker: And I think there was just like a top three race that rotated.
Speaker: Like there was no volume there at all.
Speaker: So like definitely the lower classes are probably going to be more of those that were ditched.
Speaker: But I mean, you know, I'm sure you'd find some ditched in class one as well.
Speaker: Yep, there's a Z2 NACA legendary Colt.
Speaker: I switched to 400 because I understand what you're saying.
Speaker: That does make a lot of sense.
Speaker: I'm sure there'll be some ditched.
Speaker: I wonder if Dan Chan's ditched that 401 that he bred this morning.
Speaker: He's just waiting for it.
Speaker: He doesn't ditch anything.
Speaker: He just keeps it for a round.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: There you go.
Speaker: There might be something special.
Speaker: $0.035, $60 for a Z2 Naka Legendary.
Speaker: Here you go.
Speaker: A Z2 Legendary Colt, $60.
Speaker: It sounds cheap, doesn't it?
Speaker: It's cheaper than the breed fee.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, if I was out there and I was a stable and I was looking for some, I guess, bargains now, given the fact that the changes that have dropped today
Speaker: I'd be looking for horses in those lower bands that have shown some level of variance and therefore should be quite enjoyable to race through the grades now that the leveling up has been turbocharged.
Speaker: I'm sure there's heaps out there.
Speaker: I'm not going to be looking for them.
Speaker: I've got my hands full as it is.
Speaker: But yeah, I think either that or, you know, if you like going the other way and you enjoy stability horses that provide a steady,
Speaker: steady income and grind on the way up, same sort of thing.
Speaker: I'm sure you'd find them, but I find those horses are ones that probably don't get as neglected if they have shown to be profitable in double ups at that lower level.
Speaker: And the ones that haven't shown probably just look like glue.
Speaker: So a little bit harder to identify.
Speaker: There's another, just another whole nother wrinkle.
Speaker: I mean, you can always tell when a horse has some variance,
Speaker: and would potentially be competitive in those upper bands.
Speaker: But given how long it takes to grind through levels, it's pretty easy to get disheartened when you breed one in the first 10 levels of a band.
Speaker: So I'm sure there's plenty of good horses out there.
Speaker: Well, if you sort of think back to all the things that Facundo's been saying over the last three or four months, now it's like, now we know it's 250 races.
Speaker: for a well-bred horse to race through a class, right?
Speaker: That would be like a 407 through to 500 is 250 races.
Speaker: And... So are they saying it takes 250 races to reach the end of your level?
Speaker: So they're saying it's 250 races to move into the next levelling tier before you start to age.
Speaker: Right, but what are we talking about?
Speaker: I'm assuming...
Speaker: that when they've said, because what I try to do is put myself into the developers or the game designer shoes, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So a good horse, you would think, because aren't they going to reset the recovery tiers as an incentive for you to level up so you don't max out a 500 and just stay and race?
Speaker: Have you read that today?
Speaker: I know it's been...
Speaker: No, I haven't.
Speaker: I haven't read anything today, Jake.
Speaker: I haven't read anything.
Speaker: This is just what I've heard in the past.
Speaker: Yeah, they haven't released any information about that yet.
Speaker: Also, like the only horses that really have the ability to go up an Evo band for the most part are Genesis horses right now.
Speaker: A lot of the horses that are being bred are being bred into the upper Evo bands.
Speaker: I think, um, for Kuno's vision down the line is to open up the ability for horses to then level up, um, which, which would be cool, especially now given how much faster it's going to take to, to gain XP.
Speaker: Um, and if they're saying it's 10 times faster, I guess that's where you were getting that 250 races to reach the end of the level from given that you, you had some stats around 2,500 races.
Speaker: No, so I've,
Speaker: Yeah, that 2,500 just came all from this 250.
Speaker: Like it's an assumption I'm making that they're going, okay.
Speaker: I guess the question still stands, right?
Speaker: What's the, how long should it take you to race through a class?
Speaker: We've got to separate that from aging, right?
Speaker: So aging is just talking about the time it takes to regenerate one stamina bar.
Speaker: So it's going to take you 250 races to reach the next level.
Speaker: level up of how long it takes to, to regenerate that stamina bar.
Speaker: What, um, I think you're talking about is how long it's going to take you to take a five, a 401 to 500, which we have, we've got no data on that.
Speaker: Um, you know, I'm sure BG would be able to pull some, um, reports and generate some, some, um, predictions based on current data.
Speaker: But given the amount of time that, um, racing 2.0 has been around,
Speaker: there has not been any horse that has gone from the bottom of a band to the top of a band.
Speaker: So we can't really measure that.
Speaker: And also there are different factors in terms of XP that's gained based on how many times that horse won and what stakes they were racing.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: There's two different things here, like how long it takes to get through to the top of your level, which from what we've heard is going to be 10 times faster than what it has been.
Speaker: But I don't think there's any,
Speaker: quantification around exactly how long it takes.
Speaker: I think that I've seen some potential predictions and stuff on Twitter, but, you know, it's still a bit of a variable.
Speaker: But what is set in stone is after 250 races, you will be moving up to the next tier of... Of ageing, recovery tier.
Speaker: Correct, yeah.
Speaker: But do you think...
Speaker: And it's just speculation here, right?
Speaker: Play the speculation game with me for a sec, Jake.
Speaker: Do you think that those things would be correlated at all?
Speaker: But in terms of designing an ageing framework, would you have some idea to say, okay, if you race this through a class?
Speaker: Because I keep thinking back to the early days when the early days of the new meta, when Facundo did a lot of like a lot of time on the spaces.
Speaker: And I think he did Aussies, Talk and Zed and those kinds of things as well.
Speaker: And he kept talking about when you race like a low BA, higher variance horse all the way through, he's like, think of what that horse will be at the top of its class when it gets leveled up and it's got this BA on top of the variance.
Speaker: So they seem to have had this idea of running a horse through a class seems to be there from the start, from what they're talking about.
Speaker: No, definitely.
Speaker: And look, Fakundo's vision was very clear in some posts that I read that he wanted to see, you know, the time it takes from a new horse that's born to reach that top of the class to become a lot quicker, but also that their lifespan is a lot shorter.
Speaker: So he basically said, you know, I think it would be great if a new horse was born and, you know, within six months,
Speaker: that horse had reached its full aging cap.
Speaker: And I think his rough predictions were, you know, it'd take you one month to get through the first band, another month through the second, two months to get through the third band, and then you'd have two months sort of at the top of the class or something like that, enjoying that position before the horse was aged and could only race once a month.
Speaker: So, I mean, in terms of us trying to calculate
Speaker: how long it would take to, to, I guess, age out a horse.
Speaker: There are 1500 races until it reaches that cap, but, um, obviously that's not going to be eight races a day.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So, because as the level caps go up, um, exponentially, it's going to take longer for that horse to complete those 250 races.
Speaker: Um, so,
Speaker: you know, towards the end, we'll see those horses less and less because it takes longer for them to regenerate stamina.
Speaker: But it also means that that last, um, 250 races to reach that final aging cap, when you're only getting an extra race every, um, every day, wasn't it?
Speaker: As you said, it went from 24 to 96.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, so basically from 24 to 48 to 48.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So in that last 250, um,
Speaker: You're going, it's two days per race.
Speaker: So you can race eight races every two weeks.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So based on that perspective, it actually takes quite a lot of time to reach that aging cap.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I look forward to it.
Speaker: That's like a year.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just look forward to like, I don't know, two or three years time and we see all the greats.
Speaker: doing a master's cup, the one race, like remember the $5,000 race, like another one of them.
Speaker: I like, I love that.
Speaker: I love that idea.
Speaker: I love, I love the sort of the future vision that it paints when you've got horses like ready, set, boom and grandeur and rendezvous peak and figured it out and Supreme polarity.
Speaker: They're all coming out of retirement on one specific day to make you race one high stakes paid race.
Speaker: And then one tournament for, you know,
Speaker: a hundred thousand us or whatever it is.
Speaker: And it's once a month and they can only, you know, they need their eight races of stamina on that day, but it just becomes a big spectacle that everyone looks forward to.
Speaker: And, um, you know, that, that excites me.
Speaker: Um, definitely.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: And especially if they've got the, like the content creator tournament world sorted out by that stage and that, like that master's cup can be hosted by whatever, whether it's Dan Chan, whether it's, uh, but whatever someone who's in that space of hosting tournaments at this point,
Speaker: that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker: That'd be super cool, actually.
Speaker: It'd be amazing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Looking forward to it.
Speaker: Looking forward to partaking in it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, yeah, I think everything that they're doing, and the thing with Zed is every time they make a change, it has, you know, a butterfly effect that, you know,
Speaker: helps certain stables and cripples other stables.
Speaker: And there's sort of no way around it.
Speaker: They've got probably the toughest job in the world trying to build out this game, given the fact that so many people are so emotionally and financially invested in it and have been for such a long time while the game's still changing and still being built out, um, that it's, it's really tough for the community to sort of roll the punches time and time again.
Speaker: I think, you know, from the outside and from an outside perspective, looking in all of these changes that they're doing are sort of setting up the game to be sustainable and fun for new players of future generations coming in, which is a great thing.
Speaker: And it's kind of the new meta.
Speaker: I mean, hopefully, you know, most of the stables out there have had the
Speaker: opportunity to invest in at least one Genesis horse, even if it's a Buterin, over the last few years, so that they have the ability to keep breeding forever.
Speaker: I know there's going to be some stables out there that unfortunately don't own any and have invested in bred horses.
Speaker: So the news today obviously does sting, but we also knew it was coming as well.
Speaker: So double-edged sword, mate.
Speaker: So just
Speaker: dive into that a little bit more jake like um when you say the bread horses they can't breed forever but they haven't been able to breed forever for some time from the breeding decay what do you mean by that right so so like everyone everyone who um you know bought a bread horse you know bought them basically for the most part for their racing ability obviously in the um the breeding 2.0 era
Speaker: There were plenty of horses that were bought also for their breeding ability that were bred horses.
Speaker: But if they're buying races, they're buying them because, you know, the horses is profitable in the current manner and they're anticipating future profits down the line.
Speaker: But obviously the benefit of paying extra to get a
Speaker: a Genesis horse is the fact that, you know, they can breed forever and there's no breeding decay.
Speaker: But with ageing coming into effect, bred horses that have reached that breeding decay obviously are just only going to be useful once a month.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Once they're aged and they've bred, they're on the scrap heap.
Speaker: There's literally no utility for them.
Speaker: Well, not on the scrap heap, but their value has obviously plummeted because, you know,
Speaker: They can no longer generate a steady stream of income.
Speaker: They can basically just race for fun.
Speaker: And, you know, unless there's torn, you know, in the grand scheme of things, if Zedron blows up and goes global, then, you know, I can totally see there being a legendary Buterin tournament for aged out horses once a month for 50 grand or something like that.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And then those horses then have utility and a chance to actually generate money for the owner.
Speaker: But that's sort of,
Speaker: you know, zooming way out and going down the line.
Speaker: But apart from that, like, you know, if you've got a bred horse that, you know, in however many months or years reaches its ageing cap, then you can pretty much only race it once a month for a full day's racing.
Speaker: So you can't really expect to generate a massive yield on that investment anymore.
Speaker: This is true.
Speaker: This is true indeed.
Speaker: Well, as you say, time will tell.
Speaker: Time will tell how people shake out the ability to be able to extract an edge from the new changes.
Speaker: but let's actually pivot for a second, Jake, because what I did want to talk to you about tonight is a horse you sold me, I don't know, can't remember now, not long ago.
Speaker: It's a bred three horse, probably a month ago, called Stability.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And this one is very interesting.
Speaker: It has, it seems to be living up to its name very well.
Speaker: and it just ran through the – I bought it off here.
Speaker: I think we raced – you raced it in a Griffey.
Speaker: It won its Griffey, and then it got 5.18 starting level.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And then it just ran – I kind of – I benched it for a while because I was doing other stuff, but I dusted it off a couple of weeks ago and just ran it through its first Class 1 conditionals.
Speaker: Conditional band, yep.
Speaker: Yeah, it's now at 527.
Speaker: So it kind of, I think it cashed, I can't remember, something like eight or nine times in a row, just went straight through it.
Speaker: Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker: So I was pretty excited to see that actually.
Speaker: So I just want to talk to you about how did you go about making that breed?
Speaker: And what were you like, what were you trying to do with that breed?
Speaker: And I'll
Speaker: I mean, the name probably says it all, but how did you just talk me through how you made that, those decisions to get that outcome of a horse?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Look, I mean, so the breeding question is by Onchain, which is a Z1 Nakamoto.
Speaker: I'll probably call him an upper mid with a 2200 metre distance preference.
Speaker: Very low variance and just sort of a solid stability breeder and performer on the track.
Speaker: The previous owner sort of raced him in a lot of high stakes racing.
Speaker: So he's got a horrible profit reading of negative 1.38 Ethereum, but a decent horse.
Speaker: And then the mare was a Z3 Sabo called Snake Eyes that I bought off GVG.
Speaker: um, after it only had two starts and turned out to be a pretty decent marathoner.
Speaker: Um, again, low variance, um, sort of a similar mold to skipping dessert.
Speaker: Um, so I sort of, I basically had two, two horses there in my stable with a low variance, uh, similar DP, um, and yeah, bred them together to try and produce a stable horse for, for double ups.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: And I think I chucked it in a grift because I was planning on racing it.
Speaker: And then you reached out and bought it just before the grift ran.
Speaker: Is that correct?
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker: So, yeah, I mean, admittedly, I am not the best person to talk to about breeding stability horses.
Speaker: 95% of my stable is built around variants.
Speaker: I can chat about breeding variants all day long.
Speaker: But, you know, not every horse that I own fits that mould.
Speaker: So, yeah, obviously double up horses are great.
Speaker: They, you know, if you build a stable around them, then you can really see those steady profit graphs when people post those KYH posts.
Speaker: stable proffer graphs and it's just basically like a steady ski slope heading up uphill you sort of get that from um from stability horses whereas uh variance horses look a bit more erratic like a heartbeat but um yeah that that i guess that was my thought process mate um low variance similar dp um
Speaker: Yeah, it's kind of spat out at about 2,000.
Speaker: It seems to be happy for its distance.
Speaker: And it keeps kicking on at the moment, which is kind of interesting.
Speaker: So I'm very interested now with the aging thing and like
Speaker: how is that going to run out and how fast that might run through to C1?
Speaker: It'll be very interesting to see it add some BA and see where it goes actually.
Speaker: Yeah, well, I mean, that's the million-dollar question because these horses are now going to be getting into that upper band of the next conditional band, which is the 526 to 550, a lot quicker, which probably means that, you know, the –
Speaker: the time that you'd spend in that negative EV lower part of the band is going to be a lot smaller.
Speaker: So it'll be a lot faster route to getting into that upper band, which is where you were having heaps of fun and you had eight or nine places in a row.
Speaker: The flip side is you're going to burn through that fun part quicker as well, right?
Speaker: So I guess the thing to remember is that you sort of XP...
Speaker: exponentially slows down as you get closer to the higher bands.
Speaker: So you will be burning through this next 526 to 550 band a lot quicker than you'll be burning through the 551 to 575 and so on.
Speaker: So don't get disheartened if you only get five or 10 races in that really sweet spot because you might get 20 or 30 in the next band.
Speaker: And then you might get 50 or 60 in the band after that.
Speaker: And then, you know, it's just sort of... I think all these changes have just fast-tracked the time to fun for everyone on these new 3.0 breeds that they're getting to sort of get them into that position where they're having fun and they're winning races, which is what, you know, at the end of the day, it should all be about, you know.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: Look, people have to...
Speaker: A, have fun, but I think, you know, it's kind of a euphemism we all use for winning money.
Speaker: Instead, like obviously everyone wants to be paid racing and to be positive value in paid racing, right?
Speaker: So interestingly enough, the idea of kind of grinding out levels in free tiers is,
Speaker: I mean, that never seemed feasible to me anyway, to sit here and just click away at three tiers.
Speaker: I never had the patience for it.
Speaker: Me neither, mate.
Speaker: But I don't know if that will get more horses back into paid racing now because, like, how much are you ageing are you going to waste on three-tier grinding now?
Speaker: Yeah, well, I suppose if you're gaining 10 times the XP for a free race,
Speaker: then it probably does bring back free race, you know, the allure of free races for the lower part of that band.
Speaker: Because if you can suddenly skip through your 526 to 535 section in a week of racing freeze, then it's like, oh, well, maybe I'll do that because then I, you know, basically miss all that part where I'm probably going to be negative EV and losing ETH.
Speaker: on a horse that's running double ups in the lower part against horses that are for 545 and up.
Speaker: But I can, you know, just sacrifice a week of doing that and get myself into a better position before I can actually be hopefully breaking even from 535 to 540.
Speaker: And then, you know, positive EV from 540 to 550.
Speaker: So I think free racing probably has more allure now that it's 10 times the XP just to get through those bottom sections of the bands.
Speaker: Whereas previously,
Speaker: oh, fuck, mate, you're earning 180 XP and you need 15,000 XP to get to the next band.
Speaker: It's like demoralizing, right?
Speaker: So you just didn't do it and you either sold or parked the horse or you just raced it in pades to get through that park quicker and lost money and hope that that upper band where you were having fun and making money offset it.
Speaker: And I've had a lot of horses run through class one from low 500s through to five
Speaker: 50 plus, and they basically get through that and they break even.
Speaker: And look, I had a lot of fun racing those horses, so I'm not upset that I did it.
Speaker: But, you know, I wasn't racing freeze at all.
Speaker: I was like, you know, bugger that.
Speaker: I'm going to race pades in those lower bands.
Speaker: I sort of raced double ups in those lower bands because I hoped that I was losing less and then switched to top three, top two, W2A.
Speaker: So that's a nice.
Speaker: That's something worthwhile scratching out for a second there.
Speaker: Like you just said before, most of your stable is variance, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But even in your lower, like your lower tiers, you're still running those, what I'm going to presume were variance horses in double ups.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And look, some horses have different differing levels of variance, right?
Speaker: If you breed a 3.0 horse with extreme high variance, then it will be able to be
Speaker: at least somewhat profitable in those top three quadruple up type races in those lower bands because of the nature of variance.
Speaker: But you might breed horses that, you know, have moderate variance, which makes them the perfect candidate for top two style races.
Speaker: But in double ups, they might, you know, they might finish top six at a 40% rate.
Speaker: Therefore, yes, I'm losing a little bit of money,
Speaker: but I'm still levelling up faster and getting myself into a position where I can start racing those higher EV races when it's in that higher part of the band.
Speaker: So I think a good example of this would be a horse called Mortal Urgency, which was a twisted urgency breed with the creation of mortals.
Speaker: I'm sucking at typing right now, trying to bring it up.
Speaker: But this horse has variance, right?
Speaker: It's definitely quite a relatively high variance horse.
Speaker: But, you know, I've basically just made it through to the 550 band, almost breaking even, slightly profitable.
Speaker: But if you're interested in taking a look at sort of what I'm talking about and you jump into the history of this horse,
Speaker: You'll see in the lower part of the 526 to 550 band, I was racing double ups, sort of almost breaking even.
Speaker: And then towards the end of that band, the horse was just cleaning up in top twos, winner take all, top threes, like anything I put it in basically.
Speaker: Now that I've reached the 551 to 575 band and I'm right at the bottom, I'm back to double ups and it's doing okay.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: I'm not advocating this as a strategy for every horse.
Speaker: Obviously, you really need to make your decisions on a case-by-case basis.
Speaker: Some horses have the ability to race in top three and quadruple ups in those lower bands and hopefully break even or get close to that, whereas in double ups, they would be bleeding ETH.
Speaker: So it does really depend.
Speaker: But I think...
Speaker: like the top two winner-take-all conditional races, I tend to leave them for the upper section of the band because there's less horses in that race.
Speaker: Typically, it's a much stronger field.
Speaker: And that strategy seems to work well for me.
Speaker: Yeah, very nice.
Speaker: Well, I'm just looking at Mortal Urgency now, and I've just jumped into Zerge to have a look at his stats as well.
Speaker: Good horse, mate.
Speaker: 96 variance.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: it's interesting to run that in, in double ups.
Speaker: Um, I like it.
Speaker: I like the, um, I like the alpha.
Speaker: It's good.
Speaker: Well, again, you know, horses for courses, right?
Speaker: Like, um, this horse definitely has some variants from, from twisted urgency, but, um, the creation of mortals is a much more stable horse.
Speaker: So there's, there's a little bit of both on both sides.
Speaker: So I,
Speaker: Like I know it's got variants from Twisted, but it's also got some solid DP from Mortals.
Speaker: And that's why it's probably a better candidate for this strategy than some other breeds that I've done.
Speaker: But look, I always typically... Can I just jump in there for a second?
Speaker: Because it's like an interesting thing.
Speaker: I've often spoken to people about trying to breed BA and variance into a horse, but what you sort of said just there seems like you should try and breed DP and variance into a horse, like strong DP, to have that best of both worlds horse at a particular distance.
Speaker: Is that a fair take?
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, definitely.
Speaker: Especially like both of these horses, Twisted and Mortals, both
Speaker: They're both sprinters, right?
Speaker: So you're like mortals more so than twisted, definitely.
Speaker: But twisted is, is, you know, one of the, you know, highest variants Genesis sprinters in the game.
Speaker: So with, with twisted, you're definitely looking at producing a high variance breed, but I, I've always liked adding DP into, into those breeds.
Speaker: And I think twisted urgency lacks like the,
Speaker: Lacks a little bit of DP, which is why in those breeds I'll definitely try and pair it with a horse that sort of has that to add into that added element.
Speaker: Because Twisted's won high stakes racing from 1,000 metres to 1,800 metres.
Speaker: Just with the variants role, right?
Speaker: Just with the variants, yeah.
Speaker: It's quite similar to Quite Original.
Speaker: I think Quite Original is probably slightly better.
Speaker: But they're similar horses in that they have the ability to race over a wide range of distances because of that variance.
Speaker: But there's no doubt that she's best, you know, over the 1,200 sprint trips in my mind.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: it's interesting with those variants horses like it can be a bit of a challenge at time to figure out where they're best racing at like certainly back in the 1.0 days when everything seemed to be just random traits yeah but you'd get like massive variants that you're like okay i've got a horse that runs fast in at 1200 it runs fast at 1800 it runs fast at 2600 it's like
Speaker: where does it run fastest?
Speaker: That's, that's usually the, the, um, like just on that.
Speaker: 2000 seems to be where it, well, it's interesting.
Speaker: Like 2000 seems to be where it wins the most.
Speaker: I think, I think for me, like when I got a horse like that, um, I, I like to look at speed rankings because speed rankings are telling me where the horse runs best compared to the competition at today's date, which is really what you, you want to know.
Speaker: Because I've had horses that, probably 1,600-meter horses, but due to people breeding heaps of mids and maybe not as many sprinters, then the horse compared to the field is actually ranking better at 1,400.
Speaker: So checking those speed rankings constantly and not just like getting locked into, oh, my horse is a 1,600-meter horse.
Speaker: So when you say the speed rankings, like I'm looking at Z-Lead on this horse.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: What's the horse?
Speaker: Can you bring it up?
Speaker: It's called landing bolts.
Speaker: And it's had the most horrid fucking run over the last 30 races.
Speaker: It's like, I don't know if you saw me on Twitter the other day going, someone, someone buy this horse off me before I shoot it.
Speaker: This was the horse.
Speaker: I was, I was just ranting.
Speaker: Mate, before I forget, cause I was about to say this out, but with twisted urgency, you're talking about how hard it is to sort of sometimes discover a horse's DP.
Speaker: I just wanted to give a shout out to Sarah from Roy Rager Racing.
Speaker: who I bought twisted urgency off because, um, she was the one that, uh, figured out that twisted was a sprinter, even though they were originally running them, running her over 16 or 18.
Speaker: So made my job much easier.
Speaker: Um, all right.
Speaker: So, yeah, I mean, so with this horse, mate, it's, um, it's a no brainer, right?
Speaker: Because it's only got rank speed over 2000.
Speaker: So it's kind of pointing you in that direction.
Speaker: Let me try.
Speaker: Interestingly, it was ranked at 1,400 way back when, when I first started racing it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: That's why it's got 700 races at 1,400.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That makes sense.
Speaker: I'll jump back in.
Speaker: I can see.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: It's got lots of races there.
Speaker: And probably what you would have seen over time is...
Speaker: You would have seen some rank speed start popping up at 2000.
Speaker: You would have noticed that it started performing better there.
Speaker: And eventually you would have just stopped racing it at, at, cause it looks like you haven't raced it much at 14 recently.
Speaker: Would that be?
Speaker: No, I haven't raced it yet.
Speaker: Very, very at all at all.
Speaker: It's just 2000.
Speaker: I mean, if you started racing at 14 exclusively, you might see it produce a time close to 63.31 and get rank speed again there.
Speaker: But you sort of, the data's pointed you in a different direction.
Speaker: I'm trying to find an example of, yeah, if you jump into Slander Unlimited, I think this, off the top of my head, will...
Speaker: give me what I'm trying to show you.
Speaker: So jump into slander on Z lead and jump into the speed rankings.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: It's got rank speed over three different distances, but clearly he, he's pretty good at 16.
Speaker: He's good at 16.
Speaker: And, you know, he's competitive at 18 and still, still managed to, to, to have rank speed at 1400.
Speaker: Now,
Speaker: Slander used to be like, I would have used to have said that Slander was a 1600 meter horse, then a 1400 meter horse.
Speaker: He's flamed in a $500 race over 1400 meters back in the day.
Speaker: He was done at 1400, but because the sprint funnels become so competitive, he's now started to at least compared to, I guess the horses that are racing today become more competitive over 1800.
Speaker: favoring it over 14 and the horses will sort of change where they should be placed given the field composition and I think that's something that a lot of people forget to keep continually checking because the one thing that your horse well I used to be able to say your horse doesn't change it does now because obviously you add XP and it does but the the biggest variable is field field strength and with new horses getting bred you know every day and
Speaker: you know, influxes of new breeds coming into the market every two to three weeks with maidens.
Speaker: It's a constantly changing field that's constantly shifting and you really got to stay on top of each individual horse and where they're performing and checking these speed rankings regularly is a way of doing that.
Speaker: Yeah, and this is hard to get to...
Speaker: across, you know, large stables.
Speaker: Cause one of the interests that's just occurred to me, Jake, one of the questions I ask everyone was around how you got into Z and like, what's the size of your stable?
Speaker: Like how many to, to take it to this level.
Speaker: If you've got, I think, um, Mike from Moonshot Ranch, he was like, I've got 400 odd horses.
Speaker: I'm like, Oh wow.
Speaker: You're not running all them.
Speaker: No, of course not.
Speaker: Especially in today's age.
Speaker: Like I'm struggling and I've, I've, um,
Speaker: you know, my stable's gotten so much smaller now, like over the last year, I'd say like six, nine months.
Speaker: I've really condensed it.
Speaker: I basically through the, um, breeding 2.0 phase, I condensed my stable and reinvested in, in, uh, sort of quality over quantity of races to, um,
Speaker: helped me with the meta at the time um and i certainly haven't regretted that uh today but it basically means that i have less sources to manage from a breeding perspective and a racing perspective than i originally did when i sort of got the bug and you know just went a little bit crazy there um unfortunately at the sort of height of the bull market when ethereum was pumping but you know it's
Speaker: That's just that.
Speaker: Oh, like that's where I said before, like there's a legendary knacker for $62.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Like crazy.
Speaker: That's still, look, is it glue?
Speaker: Probably.
Speaker: But back then, like when I started in 2021, in sort of I think it was October 21.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And I said to knacker leg, it was a couple of thousand bucks.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Yeah, I think I started in November.
Speaker: And getting snapped up at that price, right?
Speaker: Yeah, of course it was.
Speaker: Yeah, I started in November 21, so it's a very similar time to you.
Speaker: And yeah, it was a different time then, wasn't it?
Speaker: Just getting back to the speed rankings, now I can sort of see it.
Speaker: Looking at Slander, if you look at historically his max speed,
Speaker: shows that he was a 1600 metre horse.
Speaker: If we're just looking at rankings, then a 1200 metre horse, then a 14, then an 18.
Speaker: And you can see how much that's sort of changed given the composition of the fields today, how 18 is now his second best distance when racing.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: So the way to read that, that's kind of fascinating, right?
Speaker: So that is an interesting view on the timescale.
Speaker: So to look at this horse...
Speaker: the ranking of all time at 1800 is 1820.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And at the last 90 days, it's 334.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Whereas at 1400, at all time, it's 585.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: But there's a lot more competition now and it's 1752 over the last 90 days.
Speaker: Now, obviously, like, this has to be taken with a grain of salt because we're looking at basically Slander's A-plus run.
Speaker: When he puts in his, you know, absolute bolter, this is the time, the speed that he can produce, right?
Speaker: But,
Speaker: it does tend to have a strong correlation to the horse's performance on the track.
Speaker: So in these numbers, like, what do you know about how Dan Shan modulates these numbers?
Speaker: Like, cause I know there's noise in the speed data generally, like you have fast races and slow races, right?
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And,
Speaker: Can you get a number in here in this max speed where you've just been in a fast race?
Speaker: Like I ran a, I had a horse recently, it was on its fifth race or something, a 3.8 horse, and it ran, I think it was 200 fastest, I think in a thousand metre.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Over the last 90 days, but it came third in the race.
Speaker: That can happen.
Speaker: You know, it's one of those ones where it drops way back and then slingshots and just misses.
Speaker: Like, you can still have those.
Speaker: But it was just a, like what I'm saying, it's just a really fast race.
Speaker: Like, it ran super fast.
Speaker: But is that, are those speed rankings sort of calculated in here?
Speaker: Or if you've got that number 565-49 at 1600 for slander here, like, is that just...
Speaker: A really fast race, obviously not with this horse that goes really well, but could that just be like a banger fast race that it got into?
Speaker: Or are these numbers kind of modulated?
Speaker: These aren't finish times, they're max speed.
Speaker: So you can have a horse just running out in front.
Speaker: um and not stopping and it can break the the finish time record but we're just sort of talking about speed like how fast you see a horse accelerate basically with these speed this speed table so the slingshots that you see is what produces these you know number five rankings 65 49 speed and 1600 is is how fast the horse has traveled um
Speaker: like acceleration velocity as opposed to finish time, which is different.
Speaker: And then he obviously has... I always thought, because I have no other way of knowing how to calculate this, but wouldn't it just be a function of the finish time, right?
Speaker: And the distance?
Speaker: Well, he has other rankings, speed ratings for the finish times.
Speaker: And if you... I don't know.
Speaker: The problem with Z-Lead for me is because I'm a blood tool member, I get extra data on it.
Speaker: But if you're looking at the speed table...
Speaker: Over on the right-hand corner, you see speed ratings.
Speaker: Do you see that as well?
Speaker: No, that's what you see.
Speaker: No, no, no, I don't see that.
Speaker: Well, so in the speed table, you've got obviously distance, place, flame, races, first set, T2, T3, T6, medium speed, max speed, medium speed, 90 days, max speed, 90 days, then delta, standard deviation, profit, speed rating.
Speaker: Yeah, we don't have the last column.
Speaker: We don't have the last column.
Speaker: The free tool, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So he obviously has, he has tools based on speed, which normalizes finish times as well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I always, um, as my understanding, this was correlated to like a horse's performance, but like how fast they go in the race.
Speaker: I might've been interpreting it incorrectly for the last two years, but, um,
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Well, Dan Chan, if you're listening.
Speaker: Yeah, mate, please confirm.
Speaker: Post in Twitter.
Speaker: Tell us.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Tell us.
Speaker: That'd be good.
Speaker: I think what it boils down to is that, you know, if you've got a horse that's produced a bolter and, you know, has got ranked speed over there, but then obviously he's not consistently producing that, then you'll sort of know that that's an outlier horse.
Speaker: And obviously it's going to have extreme variance to be able to do that.
Speaker: But
Speaker: I personally don't think a shitty horse in a really fast race can get rank speed.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: To that upper brand.
Speaker: I feel like the horse has to have something to offer.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Which I think was tying back to your question.
Speaker: It was just a horse in a fast race.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's kind of what I was like.
Speaker: Did I just run this horse in a fast race?
Speaker: When you were watching it, was it slingshotting or was it just plodding along?
Speaker: No, no, it was slingshotting.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And it's –
Speaker: It's bred to be high variance from two other high variance horses that I've got.
Speaker: Like I've got a Z44 Elite that's out of Wedgie, actually, speaking of Roid Rager.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And bred it with another one I've got, which is my only ever tournament winner called Rugged by Flames.
Speaker: um which is a c4 horse and it spat something out into c5 which is what i was looking for um and then it ran this ranked and it's even now it's dropped down to 1085 but it was much better than that 65.1 which in class five at a thousand meters was it just was it's like fifth race or something just spat out it's great um so it's yes high variance it should have plenty of variance in it yeah okay so
Speaker: Now, mate, bringing us back to landing bolts, did you have a question about that horse before we got sidetracked and rabbit hole?
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: No, just like it was more about just the journey I went on to find out where it was supposed to be.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, the 2000-year-old.
Speaker: Yeah, because I ran it for a very long time and this was, like, landing bolts was, I think it was my fifth horse I bred ever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so it was just a lot of fun to run because it could beat anything at 1,400.
Speaker: Yeah, it looks like we were born on 26th of November, 2021.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so interestingly enough, like that one, that'd be interesting.
Speaker: Like, again, as aging comes out, what happens to all these bred horses?
Speaker: Because...
Speaker: You want to see, like I'm desperate to see value in the breeding market, like in the stud market to come back.
Speaker: And I don't just mean value for, you know, one morticia or whatever, because that thing's always going to breed, right?
Speaker: But I mean like value of bread horses.
Speaker: I don't think there's been studs on bread horses forever since I've been in the game that have been, it's been really hard to get a stud cover unless you've got some kind of famous Jenny horse sort of thing.
Speaker: Yeah, or, you know, well-bred horses in the breeding 2.0 era obviously had some allure.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: But I know what you mean.
Speaker: Yeah, that bloodline thing, I think it's still valid, right?
Speaker: 100% it's still valid, just not as, you know, it's not as immediately influential, I suppose is how I'd put it, because, you know,
Speaker: definitely horses still pass down traits from their ancestors, meaning their parents and or grandparents, um, et cetera.
Speaker: And, you know, if you are lucky enough to produce a super breed, then it becomes even more important that you've got, um, you know, a well thought out breed with, um, parents and ancestors that have traits that are aligned, um,
Speaker: from that perspective, you know, we've seen some super breeds turn out to be just absolute garbage just because they're, because of that fact, you know, that the breed itself wasn't aligned, wasn't, you know, that well thought out, um, which would be a pretty disappointing thing if you finally managed to land.
Speaker: Well, I think there's only been 15 of them so far, right?
Speaker: You want to make sure every breed you're doing, especially now given, you know, everything that's going on and,
Speaker: you know, the meta that we're living in today.
Speaker: When you're doing a breed and committing that money to it, you want it to be perfect almost, right?
Speaker: So that you give yourself, A, every chance of the breed turning out well so that you can enjoy racing it for the next however long through the grades.
Speaker: But also if you are lucky enough to hit that super breed, then you get a chance of, you know, a spectacular horse.
Speaker: Hmm.
Speaker: Which is interesting because I don't think the super breed impacts its breeding capability.
Speaker: Like if you breed with a super breed, does that pass down its starting level traits or its juice traits, I wonder?
Speaker: Well, of course it passes down its starting level traits.
Speaker: So breeding is based on a horse's starting level.
Speaker: So one of the, I guess, the allures of a super breed is you're breeding a level 550 horse and all of a sudden you've now got a breeding asset.
Speaker: with 550 traits, whereas previously you'd have to go breed with a top-tier Genesis horse to get that sort of starting level potentially and pass down that level of BA and DP and or variance, depending on which avenue the super breed took because from our understanding of how it works, it's obviously going to give the horses a much higher starting level and that injection of BA from the outset.
Speaker: but it's gonna take either DP or variants from the parents and or ancestors and amplify that, but one or the other.
Speaker: So that's why when you've got a mixed bag of horses, one with some variants and the other with some DP and all over the shop, it sort of confuses it and you can end up with a pretty bad outcome.
Speaker: But if you're breeding two high-variance horses together and you hit a super breed, then you're gonna have an extreme high-variance horse with a BA injection to start with.
Speaker: from a breeding perspective, those traits will be passed down.
Speaker: So quite valuable.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, that's what I'm going for.
Speaker: I've got a couple of two high variance horses that I've had a crack at before.
Speaker: Interestingly enough, like, you know, when you've got two variance horses and you breed them together, I've got two variance horses that are kind of really mid-range.
Speaker: I think one of them is minus eight on a DP on the Zedge, like really close to that no DP.
Speaker: And if you breed them together, I get some variants, but I haven't really got a monster variants horse yet.
Speaker: How many, like how many goes would you have at a breeding pair, do you think, before you're like, okay, this is as best as I'm going to get?
Speaker: Like obviously there's luck in the draw of the breed, right, that did you get the right rolls?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm just curious to think like how many times would you try a breed before you're like, okay, that pairing's just not going to work?
Speaker: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker: I guess it would depend on sort of whether or not the breeds have sort of showed you anything.
Speaker: You know, if you've bred three horses and you haven't seen any hope, then maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere.
Speaker: I know, like, I bred Slander Unlimited and Something Special together, and the first time they bred together, they produced a monster in Something Slanderous.
Speaker: And then I kept going back and breeding them together and, you know, with disappointing results.
Speaker: And I think I must have done it together another four times or something.
Speaker: Whereas I'm now breeding something special with sprinters and having much better results doing it that way.
Speaker: So I got sort of stuck into that.
Speaker: You went the other way.
Speaker: I went the other way.
Speaker: You went on tilt.
Speaker: Like for me, I'm always looking for the perfect breed.
Speaker: And so therefore I'm constantly changing partners.
Speaker: And then after a couple of failures, I might look at going back to a previously successful breed and retrying the partner.
Speaker: So to answer your question personally, if I breed two horses together and I'm not happy with that outcome, I probably am looking to another horse the next time.
Speaker: And then eventually coming back to that later, if I'm in need of a breed, right?
Speaker: But if you're just trying to breed in house, then obviously,
Speaker: your options are going to be somewhat limited.
Speaker: I don't think there's a magic number, but if it's not showing you anything from three breeds, I'd probably be looking elsewhere.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Well, we're at an hour, Jake, and this is one of these conversations that I could have for several hours.
Speaker: Certainly with yourself has been a lot of fun.
Speaker: I've got a hundred more questions.
Speaker: I'd like to keep them close to an hour.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Might just have to put a pin in this one and say, well, let's do this again.
Speaker: I think we're episode 14 at the moment.
Speaker: So let's do this again at episode 70 or something.
Speaker: We can come back.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm happy to come on again.
Speaker: Just shoot us a message and we'll... Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: For sure, for sure.
Speaker: As I say, I'm really enjoying these, just getting to meet everyone and talking to everyone about their different strategies and the way they approach the game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, mate, happy to help and certainly timed it well with ageing and yeah, hopefully people got some information about this and feel free to reach out to me if anyone has any questions about any of the shit I was talking about.
Speaker: Happy to help.
Speaker: Yeah, that's one thing I've noticed you've still pinned tweet on Twitter is, you know, reach out and I'll just come and help you with that.
Speaker: It's just such a testament, mate, to the community and
Speaker: there's so many people out there that can just reach out and be straight with you in the, you know, running like kind of stuff.
Speaker: It's fantastic.
Speaker: You know, people did the same thing for me.
Speaker: So, yeah, I think that tweet was put up when I was just fed up with the toxicity that was going on Twitter at the time.
Speaker: And I just sort of threw my hands in the air and said, I just don't want to engage in it anymore and reach out to me.
Speaker: I'm happy to help and chat.
Speaker: And that's never changed.
Speaker: So, yeah, always happy to help.
Speaker: I've got two young kids, so my schedule's pretty busy, so I might not be as responsive as I once was, but I'll get back to you, and if I forget, keep reminding me.
Speaker: Are you saying Zed Twitter was toxic?
Speaker: I'm not sure.
Speaker: I don't know if that checks out.
Speaker: No, I'm sure it's much better these days, but, yeah, I haven't really checked, so.
Speaker: And we didn't even touch on the third rail of the DP nerf.
Speaker: Um, but there's plenty of content on that.
Speaker: So that's fine.
Speaker: I'll leave that one to Keith to, uh, to debate.
Speaker: Um, well in, in the last episode, um, which you wouldn't have heard yet cause it's out after we record this one, but in the last episode I spoke to PG.
Speaker: So, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: So, yeah, keep an eye out for that one.
Speaker: If you are listening to this one, go back and listen to that one because it was a lot of fun.
Speaker: It was a good conversation.
Speaker: Anyway, Jake, it's been an absolute blast, mate.
Speaker: I'll leave you to your evening.
Speaker: Your dogs sound like they're looking to... They don't shut up.
Speaker: Anyway.
Speaker: Thanks, Adam.
Speaker: Thanks to everyone on the show.
Speaker: We'll see you on the track.
Speaker: See you, guys.
