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Dentistry, Connections, & Emotions
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Stephanie Ganter and Bob McNeill (Between Two Teeth) are back on NDOB for another episode-The Crossover Episode!
Steph, Bob, and I reunited at the TDA Meeting in San Antonio, TX in May. We had a wonderful time talking about the meeting, making connections, and emotions.
Steph and Bob share how they feel about making connections and emotions, as well as their mission trip to Ukraine.
Dr. Ganter graduated dental school in 2016 from Texas A&M University School of Dentistry and went on to complete a periodontics residency in the program as well, graduating in 2019. She went on a mission trip to Guatemala where she met her partner in practice, Oral & Maxillofacial Surgeon and co-host on Between Two Teeth, Dr. Robert G. McNeill. Steph completed a two year integrative medicine fellowship out of the University of Arizona School of Medicine in 2022. She runs a YouTube channel called "Between Two Teeth" with Dr. McNeill which talks about their journey to connect, discover, and inspire others. Currently, Steph is enrolled in a 1 year Harvard Surgical Leadership Program where she is writing her capstone on Access To Care Issues. In her spare time, you can find her riding a motorcycle, playing hockey or spending time with friends/family.
Dr. McNeill is an oral & maxillofacial surgeon in private practice in Garland, Texas. He is an adjunct assistant professor at Texas A&M College of Dentistry. He currently serves as on the Texas State Board of Dental Examiners and is an examiner with the American Board of Oral & Maxillofacial Surgeons. Following his MBA graduation, Dr. McNeill had the opportunity to be a Senior Executive Fellow with the Harvard Kennedy School. He is a former president of the American Student Dental Association.
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Transcript
Crossover Episode Introduction
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to New Dentists on the Block. And Between Two Teeth. Welcome to the crossover episode. I'm back with Stephanie Ganter and Bog McNeil for another episode. You met them individually on their respective episodes. They are known together as Between Two Teeth. And if you haven't seen them on YouTube, this is a great time to
Reconnections and San Antonio Meeting
00:00:23
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check them out.
00:00:23
Speaker
We reconnected at the Texas Central Association meeting in San Antonio, Texas, where we talked about making connections, their trip to Poland, and emotions. I consider Bob and Steph two great friends, and it's always a great time to sit and chat with them. I hope you'll enjoy our crossover episode. Let's get to it.
00:00:42
Speaker
Hello, everyone. I'm Tanya Sumaestas with new Dennis on the Block, and I am between two teeth. You are between two teeth. That's right. That's who we are. That's right. And I'm here with my friends Stephanie Ganter and Bobby Bob. Yes, yes, yes. Well, guys, where are we at today?
00:00:58
Speaker
We're at the TDA meeting. We're wrapping up. Oh, man. Beautiful San Antonio. TDA annual meeting. Now, this is a special one because I believe we haven't had an incorrect meeting in person. Is that correct? That's correct. That's correct. It's been a touch of time. All of the positive energy and vibes that we've gotten from anyone I've interacted with on the exhibit hall or on the house floor, things like that, it's been phenomenal.
00:01:20
Speaker
Part of what we do with Between Two Teeth is we really wanna try to establish connection to others. And when you come to in-person meetings like this, there's nothing like it. It is an absolute blast. Absolutely. The value add. Yeah. Yeah, 100%.
Dental Mission in Poland
00:01:34
Speaker
We ended up coming directly from a mission.
00:01:37
Speaker
I heard about that. Actually, I was watching some of your posts. I saw that you and Craig Armstrong. Oh, no, that's a good and bad thing. No, I absolutely love being able to see y'all's experience from the outside. Thank you. And I'd like to hear more about how y'all felt about it all. That's right. You mentioned we had Dr. Craig Armstrong join us as well as
00:01:56
Speaker
many many others david house key on albert these are phenomenal group we actually david mcneill your son your boy that's great and we actually we didn't all know each other too well before we started and my son pretty you know your son pretty well i guess it's a fair comment but by the end of it.
00:02:15
Speaker
I learned a lot of things about my son on this trip. There go my comments. And then by the end of the trip, we all started to kind of become this team in some of the kind of leadership courses. They talk about how groups become a team at the end of it and how important it is to have that team dynamic. And I got to say, by the end of this, I felt like we were a team.
00:02:38
Speaker
It was awesome. We were in Warsaw, Poland. We were treating the dental needs of Ukrainian citizens who were guests in Poland, basically people that were moved out of Ukraine due to the war. And it was phenomenal on so many levels, impactful on so many levels. And you talk about this transformational experiences that you get on trips like these. And this is part of the reason I went into dentistry. And I know Tanya Sue, you and I have talked about
00:03:04
Speaker
these transformational experiences, helping others, our service. And I love that when Craig was given the opportunity, he jumped at the opportunity to serve the people who are in most need. I think that's very telling about y'all and about Craig as well, too. Oh, man. We appreciate that. I appreciate that. And one of the things that sort of strikes me is, and we talk about this a lot with Between Two Teeth, our YouTube channel.
00:03:28
Speaker
self-promotion, shameless self-promotion. It's not about the teeth. It is not about the teeth and you go over there to provide dentistry. What I learned or one of the things I learned is that dentistry is a conduit to help other people.
00:03:44
Speaker
I just continue to learn it is a conduit to help other people and I'm always surprised at how dentistry might be the venue and you realize how much this impacts those around you. Not only those that are seeing you go on the mission trip but also just people that you had no idea were affected by Ukraine. We have assistance in our office, our practice that have family in Ukraine. We have, I was at a coffee shop by our private practice and the
00:04:14
Speaker
Bartender there, the barista was like, you'll never guess where I'm from when she saw my shirt and she's from Ukraine. She actually started crying when she found out we were going over there on a mission because she said it felt like she was not forgotten. And so, and that's part of, I think, for me personally, why we try to get our message out there is to say, you can do this. You know, we had to take everything with us, assemble the group to do it, but it is possible to do when you are able to get the message out there
00:04:42
Speaker
It impacts so many people and we had so many people supporting us through giving us instruments, giving us well wishes, giving us toys, the International College of Dentists, the Henry Shine Cares program, and then the Global Smiles or Global Vision.
00:04:58
Speaker
Global Visions for the International College of Dance. And the American Dental Association supported us by allowing several staff and people to come. It's fantastic. And then, you know, when we talk about figuring out, you know, how do you get a group
Team Dynamics and Leadership
00:05:11
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going here? Because it has to kind of be the right set of people. Group dynamics. And Tanya Sue, I know as the president, you know all about trying to get people on the right team. Oh, for sure. It's got to be the right team. It's got to be the right team. And we talk a lot about, you talk a lot about rowers.
00:05:25
Speaker
And if you're not rowing in sync. Classic business study case is talking about crew teams. That's a great comparison analogy there. The coolest thing for me when I learned about crew teams is there's no MVP. And actually an MVP or someone who is rowing far beyond or behind the status of the group, actually it hurts the boat. It hurts the boat. Yes. What I found, Steph and Craig Armstrong were part of a team in a different location than I was. We had a different shelter.
00:05:54
Speaker
And they had a operation system that worked really, really well. And on the third day, we all joined together and my goal was to not get in the way of the system that you guys had established. I think I did pretty well. You tell me how you think I did. I got to take a second. I stood back and said, they got something that works.
00:06:12
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I got it and I appreciate that and thank you for that. It's really cool. I didn't know Craig Armstrong too well when I first went on this trip and I was blown away at how solid of a human he is. Not only could he help create a system on the spot for our dental mission in a place with limited resources, but he also was, he just served as a rock and a foundation for our team the entire week. I was so impressed by Craig Armstrong on this trip. It was phenomenal.
00:06:41
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I love hearing that. I think that that's huge. It tells a lot about who he is.
Emotional Impact and Burnout Solutions
00:06:46
Speaker
I want to talk a little bit about how you all felt when you came back from the trip. I feel that from speaking to both of you all individually, this sense of gratitude that I'm getting is huge.
00:06:59
Speaker
I'll kind of take a first initial kind of stab at this. So first off, first and foremost, having people like Tanya Sue and others through our local state and national societies give us the support when we got back was huge. I mean, when you're over in a different country, you realize that you're not only an ambassador of America if you want to be or not, you are.
00:07:24
Speaker
and you figure out you're actually not the, you're definitely not the majority. So when you come back home, getting a homecoming and a welcome, oh my gosh, we appreciate that so much because it is emotionally exhausting. We were cheering you on for sure. We appreciate the support, all of the support on social media, one on one, doing things like this to unpack it. That has helped with the emotional exhaustion that you get when you do missions like this at home or abroad.
00:07:53
Speaker
So I'm looking forward to getting back to Dallas. I still haven't made it home yet. We ended up coming here and it is exhausting, but in a good way. And I think I've talked a lot about burnout, burnout in practice and doing the same thing. You know, one of my missions is to push others to do certain things. And this was an experience for me that really allowed me to better appreciate dentistry. And it was an adventure. Every every part of this was an adventure.
00:08:23
Speaker
They've got a dental warehouse in Poland, by the way. Where you just buy stuff. It's kind of like going to Sam's for dentistry. Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. You could buy, like, a wholesale. Yes. It was fun. We were working in one shelter, and we needed supplies. So Dr. Hannah Alberti and Dr. Craig Armstrong went to the dental warehouse to get some critically needed supplies for that day, which was, yeah, that's what I said, too. Wow.
00:08:48
Speaker
I wish we could go somewhere and get some supplies. So what's next for Between Two Teeth?
Future Plans and Storytelling in Dentistry
00:08:54
Speaker
I'm not going to tell you.
00:08:56
Speaker
We have been- I don't know. Steph doesn't tell me this kind of information. We've been blessed with so many opportunities through the American Dental Association. We're hoping everyone comes out to SmileCon in Orlando, Florida this year. Yes, absolutely. We'll be there. We'll all be there. We'll get some looksies at the podcaster. You're planning on coming? Okay. Podcaster and influencer hub. That's right. Come talk to us. We want to hear your story. We want to hear your story big or small. That's right. That's what we're here for. That's one of the
00:09:25
Speaker
I guess tangibles and member benefits, if you will, of being in person at the American Dental Association annual session. We had so much fun. The tangible benefit is that they can beat us. Yeah. Oh, that's right. I don't know if it's much of a benefit, but it's there if you want to take it. I know. I would say, and I don't know if y'all agree, but doing this podcast and telling people's stories, I think is huge. I love you. I absolutely agree with this. Yes. I have learned so much from those who I've interviewed. I've learned so much from y'all.
00:09:51
Speaker
And just a note on your podcast, New Dentist on the Blog. It's called New Dentist on the Blog. It shouldn't subscribe. I know, I've been on it. Remember I had to beg, I had to say, okay, I'm not a new dentist. Whenever you're done, I'll keep going. This is banter.
00:10:07
Speaker
This is banter, yes. No, just on your nudist on the block. I mean, it's great to see some of the interviews you've had. And I think it's a mark on you as a host because you can evoke certain stories from people and not everybody can. Well, thank you. I bring value to the listeners. Absolutely. And it takes courage to get a story out there.
00:10:28
Speaker
and it takes time for people to listen to your story. But we've had so many people sort of interact with us and say, oh my gosh, I saw this and I didn't know X about someone like Dr. Craig Armstrong, for instance. People are like, oh my gosh, I've known Craig for the longest time, but I never knew the story about him when he was 16 going on a walkabout with his 14-year-old brother throughout England, or just so many stories that you can share. And that's a positive of,
00:10:57
Speaker
connection with something like this. Yeah, 100%. But as far as what's next, we're always looking for opportunities and amazing things happen when you say yes.
00:11:08
Speaker
I think you can almost always find a way to make something happen. And it's super easy to say no. Was it hard to go to Warsaw? Did we have to do a bunch of things, line a bunch of things up to make it happen?
Personal Growth and Living Fully
00:11:21
Speaker
Totally did. Did it give me blessings that I never could have thought about? Even just bringing my 22-year-old. He had a chance to talk to an 18-year-old who had been displaced
00:11:34
Speaker
due to war and living in a different country from his parents and just hearing that kid's story. I mean you mentioned stories there was a female there assistant that had never according to her she had never seen a female doctor and so it was it was impactful for her to see Dr. Hana Alberti to see myself and to see
00:11:55
Speaker
Uh, Kate Davidowski kind of doing our thing and, and just rocking it. And everyone had a connection, you know, Kate with Polish descent and Hano with Czech descent. That's huge. We got to meet Hano's family while we were there. Hano's family took the nighttime bus to come visit her in Warsaw. It just say yes to things. Yes. And it may be uncomfortable. It may be scary. We had a lot of people
00:12:21
Speaker
sort of concerned about our safety during this trip. Now, we did show up on the first night. We actually gave everyone a challenge coin that said Memento Moray. And we kind of explained of OK. You know, have you ever heard of Memento Moray? I have, but tell our listeners more.
00:12:38
Speaker
Do you want to say about Memento Mori? Well, you're also missing half of it. So Memento Mori is remember that you must die, but then there's also the other part. The other part of the coin. Memento Vive. Vive. Which is remember you also must live. Yeah. And so it was kind of a good two sides of the coin kind of thing. Huge. I think that you started off that way. Yeah, that's how we started off, which is awesome. I think that's a great challenge before any kind of mission trip that you do. What are you going to do next?
00:13:06
Speaker
What am I gonna do next? I don't know.
00:13:11
Speaker
I don't know, I might get that out. And that's not terrible to say, I don't know. It's actually freeing to have the creative time and space. Sometimes we fill our lives with the busyness of life. I wish I had more time to be. I feel like I have a lot of creative ideas, creative energy. You two are both very creative. I'm kind of tired of this fear of missing out concept. You know, when we go to conferences like this, I feel like there is this big push that you have to attend every breakfast.
Balancing Commitments and Embracing Failure
00:13:41
Speaker
every lunch you have to constantly fill your time with meetings with people but I would push our listeners to take time for yourself to take time for yourself remember there is a balance of life remember this is all a marathon it's not a sprint
00:13:57
Speaker
And at the end of the day, you need to enjoy what you're doing. You know, you all said, you know, be brave, say yes, but also challenge yourself to say no. I love that. That's hard. I think that's hard. Definitely for the three of us. It's harder to say no than it is to say yes. Yeah, absolutely. There's a hailstorm going on just outside, so I hope it doesn't interrupt our connection.
00:14:19
Speaker
I have an idea, speaking of creative, but how cool would it be if the large dental societies or any dental society had us out for us to do something like this? This would be awesome. If they did what? If they hosted us and had us come to their meeting, had us tell their member stories, their leader stories, that would be kind of fun.
00:14:43
Speaker
Would we be open to that? Yeah, absolutely. I think I would. Yeah, absolutely. I think I would. So we'll send that out to whoever's listening. Bring us out, we'll have a good time, and we'll talk to your members, and we'll share their stories, because every member has their story, and I think it's important to share. Everyone has a story, and that, I was trying to think of what I was going to say, and that refreshed my memory. Part of someone's story is probably going to involve success, and it's probably going to involve failure.
00:15:09
Speaker
And I think for me, that was like the blandest thing I think I've heard all week.
00:15:15
Speaker
No, okay, well. Guys, I think life is filled with living in death. Life is like the mom's slip shop. You never know what you're gonna get. Seriously, wow, wow. I would imagine that anybody's stories says failures and successes. People need to hear that. It is that you look at things and I know we've kind of had that challenge and I've had people kind of push on me about this. I have failed, quite frankly, I think I've failed more than I have succeeded.
00:15:44
Speaker
But usually my points of failure have given me an opportunity that this door closes now. This one's going to open. And I think people need to hear that it's OK to try something and have it. Yeah, not work out. Yeah, that's OK. And that's where it takes legitimate courage to have that authenticity. And I think it's really challenging to have true authenticity, especially when you get into you want to say something. I was just going to say, how easy or difficult is it for you to be authentic?
00:16:11
Speaker
For me, it's actually not a choice. I wear my emotions on my sleeve. You have no poker face. You know exactly what I'm thinking. If you ever get a chance to play poker against that one, go for it. I thought you were going to ask her to start singing again. Oh, no. No, I will not. Or you. Sorry, no offense. But how good are you at being authentic?
00:16:29
Speaker
Oh, terrible. But I've got a really great focus. I think both of y'all are pretty authentic. I think y'all are your authentic selves. His plan is working. His plan is working. His authentic good enough. Yes, Bob presents to be nice. Well, so I don't like emotion.
00:16:43
Speaker
Why? I don't think you were born with that. What happened in your childhood? Yeah, what happened? Let's dissect this. Here we go. We got a couch over there. It's okay to cry. No, I think emotion certainly has a place, but the pendulum will often swing too far in any direction, and mine swings a little too far to the unemotional side of the equation. I am afraid of emotion too, but I have a lot of emotions.
00:17:07
Speaker
I feel like Tanya Sue, you're a very authentic person and you are, I think you have to be a certain level of authentic and there has to be a certain level of people skills because people aren't ready for authenticity 120% of the time. And sometimes having a, sometimes what do our parents always say? If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Yes. Exactly. Bob. I should learn that message. Sometimes they're just like trying to be funny.
00:17:36
Speaker
And sometimes people would benefit from input. That's true. No, I seek feedback often. So here's what I would say. A dangerous person to have around you is someone who you are close to.
00:17:50
Speaker
But they will not tell you the truth. That's true. It's actually a very dangerous. And I would I would actually one up that to say that one up. Well, sometimes I think people that are around you, they it's almost like if you wake up and see yourself every day, you get used to things and you don't notice when there's maybe a challenge until that one person you meet on a bus or a plane goes.
00:18:09
Speaker
how can you not see this this is obviously something's going on right here and so almost it's actually great to keep interacting with people don't be afraid to get outside your comfort zone meet new people don't necessarily and you know just dive in and try to glean take everything with more than a grain of salt but i think having multiple people that can give you different perspectives can help you have a well-rounded approach.
Connections and Community Support
00:18:33
Speaker
And I think it helps us build and grow our dental community. Yes, absolutely. Can I ask you guys a question? Sure. What do you need to do, Stephanie?
00:18:44
Speaker
I probably need a coffee and a run right now to recharge and, uh, yeah, that's what I need to do. I think for me, I need a need that I'd like to fill is, um, making more connections. Okay. And letting connections, more connections, more connections, love meeting people, love hearing their stories like we mentioned, and I'd like to, uh, complete a few more creative projects. Yeah. You two are both very creative. I'm actually a little bit jealous of the creativity that comes out of the two of you.
00:19:15
Speaker
I'm sorry to hear that, but thank you. What do you need? Yeah, what do you need to do? Oh, lots of things. The top of my mind is I need to get back to Dallas and.
00:19:25
Speaker
shave and get ready to be back to work. Yeah, we're kind of finishing up the TDA meeting in San Antonio, like we were saying. And, you know, it's cool that you say you needed more connections, but man, I tell you, so you connect better than anybody, I feel like. Oh, well, I love it. I love these kind of events. It'll be nice to have a little pause after this, but coming to these meetings and meeting the leaders that are leading our organization in our state is huge and very rewarding to me.
00:19:54
Speaker
And they're examples to me. So I love it. It's pretty cool to come to these things. Another tangible kind of benefit when you show up to the in-person meeting is I got to connect with people from dental school. Oh, yeah. Shout out Madison Mack, Adam Hauser, Maylin Howard, Andy Erzmindi, Cassidy Robinson.
00:20:11
Speaker
This is so cool to me because I don't see these people. You graduate, you spend four years and you see them every day and then you graduate and everyone goes out and gets lives. You get to see them at these meetings and it actually brings back great, wonderful memories and there's something positive that happens when you see people from a happy time. I agree with that. I agree with that. Did you have any classmates here?
00:20:39
Speaker
Did you? Did you see anyone from Canada schools? Wow. No one from Canada schools. No one from Canada schools. One thing that I like to ask my guests is what piece of advice would you give to our listeners? None. Stephanie. Probably some.
00:20:53
Speaker
What's the none part of that? Is it an acronym for something? No, it's not. Okay, here's my advice. Be okay with failing and just give it a go. That's good advice. Great advice. And don't be afraid of rejection. I actually kind of really, really like rejection in a weird, strange way.
00:21:14
Speaker
Do you? I don't lean into rejection like Bob leans into it. But I would say that for me, I think rejection is part of the process. And if you don't have the courage, we've talked about value driven life with several people on the show. If you don't have the main value of courage, it's going to be hard to lead a value driven life. For my advice for our audience is have the
00:21:39
Speaker
basically having the courage to show up. Remember, when I was in my 20s, I loved getting a piece of paper out, drawing a circle. It's going to tell you a lot about me, but it's about me, authentically, drawing a circle and putting a little dot. That's me. My whole world, me in the center.
00:21:59
Speaker
sometimes as dentist we don't like coming to meetings like the TDA because it's easy to get lost in the space and suddenly our world doesn't get to have us in the center suddenly we are a piece of a really big organism but guess what that's okay and if you can find a way to take yourself out of the center we're actually on an ice rink now and the conveyor belts coming they're installing an escalator
00:22:23
Speaker
Don't worry about it. But I would say this is my advice. Be okay not being in the center of something like the Texas Dental Association. There's a lot of magic that can happen when you learn
00:22:37
Speaker
to be a piece of the puzzle and not the center dot in the world. When I hear you say that, it made me think about the Ukraine mission that we were just on. And I'm used to putting myself in the center of the circle and showing up to make the teamwork, to make the mission successful. It necessitated and was appropriate and was helpful to not be in the center. So what I'm hearing is getting out of your comfort zone.
00:23:03
Speaker
and more so being a team player, we're all dentists, no matter where we practice in the state of Texas, part of being a team player is showing up to the Texas Dental Association's annual meeting and getting in there and saying, and it doesn't, you may not be speaking, but if you have a classmate that sees you, man, you're gonna make that, you're gonna make someone's day. And so trying to get out of your own way and trying to figure out a way to,
00:23:30
Speaker
to be present for maybe your classmates, maybe for that mentee that you haven't met yet that you'll meet at this meeting, getting out of your comfort zone as Tanya Sue is saying. And really, really magic happens when you realize how you fit into a puzzle piece.
Engagement and Closing Remarks
00:23:46
Speaker
Or 100%. Any last thoughts today for our listeners? Man, I feel like we all have rocked it today. I think so too. This was great. I love the adventure of life that all three of us are on.
00:23:59
Speaker
I really do. And I think it's cool for all of us to support one another. I agree. I think it's cool for us to put out messages that hopefully support other people as well. Yeah. I have felt very supported by y'all and great friendship from these two for sure. And I hope that I have shared the same with you all.
00:24:17
Speaker
I feel like all of that respect, love, admiration is mutual. Thank you. This table is glowing right now. It is. It literally is glowing. This one over here doesn't like emotions though. Well, thank you all for tuning in and listening. Bobby, Bob, Steffi, Steph.
00:24:55
Speaker
Thank you for tuning in to this episode of New Dentists on the Block. If you would like to connect with Bob and Stephanie, you can find them on Instagram at BobDDSMD and at GantarSR. You can also find Between Two Teeth on Instagram at B2Teeth. You can also find Between Two Teeth on YouTube and I highly recommend you check it out. Please be sure to subscribe to the podcast on YouTube and on all major podcast platforms.
00:24:59
Speaker
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00:25:22
Speaker
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