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And now vegans, imagine a company deeply invested in the exploitation of cows creating short films about that subject. Chances are, you've just imagined Alltech Inc's creation: The 'World Without Cows' series. Dear friends and regular contributors Shane, Kate & Mark subjected themselves to the Ireland and Brazil episodes of the series and share their thoughts in this episode.
If you too would like to subject yourselves to these interesting interpretations of routine animal exploitation destroying the planet, visit:
https://youtu.be/cRnLubzkppo?si=nSl9Ey9XqOzCY72p
https://youtu.be/3dZP8_AhHQU?si=fSZsGVK-aE0TYJwO
...and don't forghet the website: https://worldwithoutcows.com/
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Introduction to 'A World Without Cows'
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ah Hello, everybody. What would the world look like without cows? That's what Alltech, a company that produces specialty ingredients, premixes, supplements, and feeds for animal agriculture, asks in its new series of films called A World Without Cows.
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I'm Shane, and for this episode of Vegan Talk, I'm also joined by Mark and Kate. So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butt is used for.
00:00:27
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Brr! Brody! Take your flat-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? True education.
00:00:37
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younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are. That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things. What is this? What kind of movie is this?
00:00:48
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It's comedy, gobbled, maybe. Any form of social injustice has... connection with another as long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all right does veganism give him superpowers
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i cannot fly around the city i don't have laser vision hi everybody kate here with you today welcome welcome to this episode of vegan talk thank you so much for being with us Hi everyone, this is Mark here. You're listening to Vegan Talk where we discuss amongst ourselves as specific issue. ah There are previous issues ah episodes of Vegan Talk that are available in people's podcast
Exploration of Brazilian and Irish Farming Films
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feed. In this episode, we're discussing two videos from the World Without Cows series.
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One of them focused on cattle ran ranching in Brazil, and it tried to explain how it can coexist and even benefit the environment. And the other featured a dairy farmer in Ireland and highlighted the ways he is innovating to make his dairy more environmentally conscious. There are other areas of the world that World Without Cows focuses on. We just watched these two and we will link to them in the show notes. The Brazil one is 19 minutes and the Ireland one is 12 minutes. And essentially these visit videos posited that if cows were removed from the planet, that would have a net negative outcome on the planet.
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And the filmmakers say they are seeking to explore the vital, often misunderstood role that livestock play in global sustainability, rural livelihoods, and feeding the planet.
00:02:29
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All right. So let me just open it up and get your thoughts, Kate and Mark, on the films just
Critique of Propaganda in Irish Film
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in general. I thought they were hilarious. They're they're so propagandistic. I'm going to be quoting the Irish farmer when we're doing the one about Ireland.
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and i have been doing a bit of research recently on agriculture and its impact on biodiversity in Ireland because there was a new piece of research brought up by the European Union on that very subject and it's really damning and So so coincidentally, like you sent me the link to to this, the world without cows.
00:03:03
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I mean, it's so emotive just from the get go, the title, a world without cows like this is a threat that work that the vegans are going to remove. I mean, this is the sort of um argument you hear from sort of you know elementary grade school kids about if if we don't eat the chickens, they'll take over the world.
00:03:24
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you know And um so it's it's playing on this fear. It's up there with something like you'd have seen the the Nazis produce or the Soviet Union produce. It's so softly, softly. And the the the absence, it's what's left out is so...
00:03:41
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is so apparent you know when you when you know the sort of the full facts about all this and and relative to everything else you you really see it for what it is so yeah hilarious for all the wrong reasons basically i wonder if um i've got the same quote from the irish farmer that you have that's one that's left i wonder it's the first thing he says it's literally the first sentence he says i'm not sure if that's what you had there's a few gems in there But literally the first thing, Niall Moore is his name and he's sitting there in his green jersey sitting on top of Ben Hay or something.
00:04:14
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but maybe Maybe we should start with the with the film on Ireland then. Okay, ok and should shall I start with the quote from Niall Moore? So basically this this it's touted as a documentary. It's produced and voiced by ah relatively famous people who I've never heard of, but the internet seems to think they're a big deal.
00:04:33
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Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, apparently, yeah. In terms of the filmmakers, will I mean, they've put a lot of money into this, clearly. Yes, can see that for sure. Yeah, and so it's trying to position the dairy industry as a vital and sustainable player in global food production for feeding the masses.
Sustainability Narratives in Irish Dairy Farming
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as opposed to a predatory, vicious, highly destructive, nihilistic, profit-making machine that has no interest in the outcomes of its industry at all, really.
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So it starts off with sweeping views of Ireland. And I did mention in a previous show about how if you do Google Maps of Ireland and look at how how big... Farming is there you and you will see this as well in a sweeping panoramic shot of the coastline of Ireland.
00:05:21
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Cattle fields, for farm fields are going right up to the coast and then you have the the waves crashing in to the ocean. There's a narrow strip of habitability for wildlife around the coastline edges of the country and almost everything else is intensively farmed.
00:05:39
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Poisoned beyond beyond recognition, coked up to the eyeballs on fertilizer and chemicals, basically, but by the farming industry. Niall Moore is ah is a representative farmer in A Word Without Cows, Ireland, and his opening sentence is, I hate the word sustainability.
00:05:55
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And it gets worse from there. I'm thinking, again yes, you do, because you you you can't get on with it. You you can't operate your system. Their their main point is that and the Irish dairy industry produces less carbon dioxide per litre of milk than anywhere else in the world. I think it's one kilogram of carbon dioxide per litre of milk, which is a massive amount of pollution.
00:06:20
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particularly when you compare it to the emissions from plant-based mills. But of course, they they don't they don't mention that. There is no meta-questioning of whether we need dairy at all. that this is This is a proposition being put forward by a fertilizer company, Alltech, who do make appearances in the documentary as well, ah for them to to stay in business as usual. And it's propaganda. It's anti-environment. anti-society. It's anti-social.
00:06:46
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It's anti-future. It's inhumane. It's anti-human. it's It's positioning itself really on the evil side of history here, and it's trying to promote something that is completely unsustainable. And former Niall Moore's opening quote of, I hate the word sustainability, he he doesn't mean it in the way I've interpreted it to mean, but...
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and they basically ah underline the fact that even at their very best, when they're trying the very hardest, they can't come near to the goals they need to reach in terms of reduction of of methane emissions and carbon emissions. So they need to be put into the dustbin of history. They're unaware that this propaganda film actually damns them rather than praises them.
00:07:27
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So that was my impression of both of them, but but particularly one about Ireland, because I'm more familiar with the Irish situation, I suppose. And I can see through for the bullshit this is. Yeah, I really feel like that farmer in the Ireland video, there was just this tension because he kept complaining, i felt like, about how he was being asked to do more than the rest of the world. He would say, we're doing all this, which is way more than the rest of the world is doing, by the way. But then in the next little segment, he would argue that the farmers in Ireland care more about the environment than anyone else. Yeah, yeah. But how unfair it is that we have to do all of this. Yeah, yeah. so
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And he's sort of saying through gri gri gritted teeth as well. You know, you can sit you can see that he he he knows he needs to toe the party line. in um he he He needs to to come across as he gives a shit. but if you really couldn't good So of the is farmed.
00:08:23
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Most of that is beef and dairy. The impact that that has had on the waterway system, as it has over here in New Zealand as well, is catastrophic. And more than half of Irish rivers are polluted beyond being safe to touch. right So they're no body contact rivers. and And that's almost exclusively ah at the at the foot of the
Environmental Impact of Irish Beef and Dairy Farming
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dairy industry. It's massively destructive. It's relatively new on this ah in our Irish society to have such a dominance of beef and dairy. It's a few centuries old, and but it tries to position itself as this sort of millennial old sort of tradition that that that that sums up Ireland perfectly, butter and cheese and all the of it. And it's pure marketing.
00:09:03
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I like how both films, in both films, they both kind of blame their governments in that, oh, they asked us to do this. They asked us to increase, you know, farming cattle. and look, we've done it And they kind of reframe, you know, um but the the the kind of, um they they say that um Ireland stepped up to the global need of, you know, producing meat and dairy because the whole world, they were like begging for it, please Ireland. you know, produce more dairy and butter and cheese and meat for us.
00:09:49
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Not that they were aggressively marketing it to the rest of the world, you know, and forcing it on parts of the world that never historically had milk and cheese and such like in the past and certainly not as much meat. so you know, they've totally reframed that. Oh, crikey. It's just like green, real total greenwashing from start to finish. and And I sat and watched it all twice, for God's sake. you know And the first time I was just like wanting to just chuck things at the telly because it just made me so crass.
00:10:27
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You know, dear, can I mention the Brazilian farmer that had to zoom in on the tears, didn't they? He cried several times during 19-minute film. Oh, dear.
00:10:40
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yeah Oh my God, you know, oh because he's so proud of his father for totally destroying the Amazon rainforest and clear felling it and, you know, kind of grazing all the cattle. I mean, and how he desperately wants to pass on to his children. And of course, um um I'm sure he loves his family, but I think his family would probably prefer to have a livable planet, actually, you know. if they really believe this crap, then...
00:11:10
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you know, they're so disillusioned. They're so you know, just think, where do you get your facts from? Well, probably the the local cattle press or something. I don't know. Well, I think i think we should say, um for those of you who have not seen it, so the... the
Brazilian Film and Amazon Deforestation
00:11:29
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Both of the films really, as Mark said, they spent a lot of money on these because they are very professionally done. And they both feature, i think, industry and government ah talking heads giving the message that the makers want brought across. And then the Brazilian film has a lot of film of various different farmers. And i believe they have like a small...
00:11:55
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ranch and maybe a medium and a very large ranch. and They have several different farmers that they talk to. And these ranchers are cattle ah for for beef. And then in Ireland, it's um a dairy farmer and they only have one ah person in that film. So Kate, what you were mentioning that one of the big points they were making in the Brazilian film is how these farmers are such great stewards of the land. Because I believe it would have like a graphic up there where would say how much land they had, how much was reserved for the forest or not developed, and then how many...
00:12:35
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how many cattle were on the land. And completely skipping over the fact that this land was originally the Amazon and that they or their parents or their grandparents cut it down, deforested it, put cattle on it. And now through garret various government programs, they've been forced to reserve some of that land um and I don't know, rewild it or leave it for wildlife and and and trees yeah i think for me it was what was missing i e where were the the wild creatures they can't exist in those little fragments they need especially some of the big cats and things they need a safe space in order to um
00:13:27
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you know um survive they need a variety of trees and bushes and things and and yeah they they're basically they're preserving little fragments of land and and it's you know and it's in that again it seems to be like human centric oh it's meant that the oh we've got these streams now which we didn't have before and you know, um and all of that. So dear it's just it's just really sad that they they're kind of saying that it's, you know, they're farming with nature because they're clearly not, you know, is yet they haven't got the biodiversity that they had there before.
Alltech's Influence and PR Agenda
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um And yeah, that company Alltech that they sponsored, they are a global multi-million dollar industry, aren't they? And they're in like 140 something countries, including the UK as well. um Yeah, that they are they they're just interested in, you know, not losing any profit. They don't want land rewilded properly, really. They don't want they don't want less cows. that That just hits their industry. So a complete conflict of industry of of interest, really, you know, and they get direct financial benefit from it. So, yeah it's just aggressive PR.
00:14:52
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you know, designed to confuse people again, usual tactics. And it it seemed like the government was very aware of the world perception of cattle being the reason that the rainforest is cut down and how they're not doing that anymore. They're not allowing that anymore. But then when you think, okay, these ranchers got their land from deforestation, so then if there's aspiring farmers, aren't they just going to go in and cut down land? And then once it's cut down, once they've cut down the trees and they've cleared it and they put cattle on it, then the government's like, okay, well, now it's a cattle farm and you just have to have this much set aside for you know for the wildlife or whatever. it just It just really seemed like all these environmental laws that the government was was putting on them was...
00:15:39
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The onus for following those laws was on the producers or the farmers to fight illegal deforestation and that the government wasn't really doing very much. And we know like the government of Jair Bolsonaro, who was not very long um been out of power there, was actively going in and cutting down the rainforest. There there is reference that one of the the talking heads makes in in that World Without Cows Brazil, where first she refers to the statistics that they have garnered as being self-reported from the farmers themselves. So so there there are relying people who have heavily vested interests in putting forward one point of view –
00:16:18
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they rely entirely on those people for their sources of information and therefore the the stats that they're putting forward. So yeah, it it is laughably, it's oblique. And it's so, if if you, if you analyze, especially well, cause i was just looking at what, there was a talking head from old tech, the fertilizer company talking there and and he just talks around in circles without making any point. It's all gloss.
00:16:43
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It's designed to make it think like they have an argument simply because they're putting forward an argument without analysing any of the content. Didn't you think as well, Mark, that so the Irish guy or and the Irish people, they they were talking about adaptation and all the rest of it. They were sort of saying, you know, how best practice part of the solution. I think, well, why is the solution then? Come on, tell us. Yeah. Where is your back practice then? Come on, tell us. They didn't they mentioned all these buzzwords and phrases, but they didn't actually tell you what they were planning. they was going to
00:17:18
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It's pure emotion. And there's a heavy use of delicate piano as background soundtrack music when they're showing footage of cows wandering around fields and stuff. I mean, it's really laughable. It's it's very on the nose, very blunt. you know I'm not sure who the audience is.
00:17:37
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I'm not sure who they expect to believe this.
Impact at COP Conference
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I understand they had the opportunity to show this at the at the recent COP conference, which is unbelievable. And I wonder if there was a a counterpoint may ah film made by anyone opposing all text point of view here as well that there was a show on the COP.
00:17:56
Speaker
Because if that's all these delegates, if COP delegates are basing their decisions on stuff like this, we are doomed. But I think if we look at what came out of that, obviously, the fossil fuel industry and the agriculture industry are swaying what the policies that are coming out of that.
00:18:15
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Yeah. Yeah. thought it was interesting. I mean, because, you know, it it as you said, Mark, it is propaganda that all of the visuals were of cows on pasture land As we're to believe, I guess, that there aren't any factory farming. There isn't any factory farming going on, that all of these animals are raised outside. In Ireland, on the dairy farm, it was all these shots, beautiful landscape, of course, of the cows on the on the pasture. But of course, if a cow is going to produce milk, there has to be a baby cow.
00:18:50
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But they didn't show where are the baby cows? What happens to those? Where are they? Are they in sheds somewhere that we're not seeing? Are they taken somewhere else? What's happening to them? and these are i mean, these are things when I was watching that I was wondering about.
00:19:04
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Some of them were ah sent overseas, aren't they? Where is it? I forget. Is it Denmark or somewhere like that? where they're sent to slaughter.
00:19:16
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you know And there was a big thing about um one of the ferry companies and stuff. That sounds familiar, yeah. Yeah, yeah so they export a lot of the bobby caps and so on too.
00:19:28
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Europe, yeah. our Irish ferries have a ship that brings thousands of these little babies over. So did the the ah the the calves are on live export ships going to Europe is is where they are. wow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they didn't put that in, did they? No, they didn't.
00:19:45
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they They must have forgot that bit. It'll probably be in the the editor's cut when it's shown in the movies soon. can i Can I put my quote in now then? sos delay So it wasn't, I hate the word sustainability, says the fan. No, no, no. I just so i just look gave him a glare. one and no But the one that mean the one that really shot stuck out, mean, that's a good one, i have to say. But the one that really stuck out was when he sat there and he went...
00:20:14
Speaker
Amazing what we get from these ladies. Yeah, yes ladies, yeah. Ladies? Oh, my God, please. You know, oh, yeah. So, like we yeah, we don't steal their babies off them, and they're just, hey, happily, you know, handing over their milk because that's just what they do. You know, oh, dear. Just... ah Awful, awful. cringerench Cringe, cringe, cringe. That's what Altec's trying to show though. They kept talking about that in the Brazilian video too, about how their innovations are producing more cattle on the same amount of land, how they're able to produce more milk.
00:20:52
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from all their innovation and i kept wondering what are these innovations until i did a little research and realized oh it's the feeds and whatever i so that yes that they're that they're using yeah they did they um champion the fact that they're able to squeeze more out of these poor beasts than they used to be able to do 15 years ago and therefore i'll have a bit more space to plant trees on right so that look we we have more trees because we're where ribbon sit They actually should refer to these animals. They they say we're able to grow.
00:21:21
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to This is where the beef is born and grown. They don't even refer to the animal as an animal. It's referred to as the bit of product that they sell of the animal. So this is where the beef is born and grown. And can grow 200 beef animals.
00:21:36
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ah be here instead of 100 from 15 years ago and therefore have more space and we free up more land for the and the poor they never mentioned what they are doing to these animals that squeezes even more product out of them more milk and put on more weight to you know to sell for more profit what are they doing and the answer is obviously tons and tons and tons of drugs and antibiotics and you know something so unnatural that they won't even refer to it they'll just refer to the outcome you know Well, it doesn't matter what they do, does it? Because science doesn't add up and it's never going to add up. And actually, cattle, when they're grazed, they belch even more methane. And there was that report from Oxford, wasn't there, about grazed and confused.
00:22:21
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And, um you know, so it doesn't matter what they say, that they're never, ever going to... um Well, let's hope people don't believe this crap, you know, because it is just pure greenwashing and lies, unfortunately.
Farmers' Resistance to Environmental Regulations
00:22:38
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It's it's ah interesting as well that that for farmers, unions and lobbies fight tooth and nail to the nall against any and all regulation proposed by any and all governments worldwide and only accept them ah through ah the force of law. They have no interest. and they They never propose these regulations themselves and they fight against them when when they are proposed. They only accept them reluctantly at the at the wrong end of a police truncheon, basically. And the way they talk about theirs is if they they are the stewards, they they do this willingly, but isn't it so much work and police feel sorry for us
00:23:14
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We're carrying such a burden for you to feed you. And we're doing all this to protect the little bunnies and trees as well. Aren't we great? And it's, it's, it's. And we're family farms. We're family farms. Yeah. It's all small farmers. This is a small farm and all that. As if there's that many of them out there run anyway. You know, small farmers. It's just awful.
00:23:34
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Do you know what, though? I i didn't like i don't know if you don't if it's a changing narrative at all, but they, I can't which film it was, was it the Irish one?
00:23:45
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They were going, we recognise the problem, i e they finally recognise that there's that there is an issue with climate change and cattle and what have you.
00:23:56
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And and we're we're doing it. we We're moving together for the environment. We think, well, are you really, you're just saying it and doing sodal?
00:24:07
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You know, I just, I don't know. It's just like more delaying tactics. It is, yeah. did they They've nowhere left to hide. So rather than accept accept capitulation and go go into a different type of business, they're they're they're asking now to be regulated more, essentially, in order to be accepted.
00:24:26
Speaker
So where they fought against regulations before, now they're fighting for their very existence and they're prepared to accept regulations only because the alternative is their sort of industrial annihilation. But I think even if you take a look at one of the innovations in the Irish film where Niall was showing how he distributes the cow slurry on his fields as fertilizer now. So instead of shooting it out and all over into the air,
00:24:56
Speaker
He has this special tractor where he shoots it down into the field so that it's more targeted. So not as much gets into the atmosphere, i guess, goes often to other places it's not supposed to be.
00:25:10
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And this is waste that the cows are producing from the two or three months that they're in the barn because it's cold too cold for them to be outside. But then, you know, my question was, so he's using all the slurry that they're producing?
00:25:26
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All of it, what happens to the extra that he has? you know what I don't really think that they therere these have these great innovations. And I think that if Ireland's really...
00:25:39
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these regulations that they're that they've put in place are really working, as they keep saying in the film, then why at the beginning of the film are they talking about how most rivers in Ireland are contaminated with nitrogen from fertilizer and waste? Yeah. Because all these regulations are working so well? Yeah. So if this is the best they can do, it's nowhere near good enough. There was a time a few years ago, i remember, recalled seeing in one of the newspapers a proposal that of of putting nappies on old cows.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yeah. to capture their their waste and dispose properly. And this was a serious... So this is in response to, again, people saying the dairy industry is unsustainable. We need to we need to demolish it. The dairy industry was saying, if we feed the cows seaweed and put nappies on them, this reduces ah emissions into the environment by x amount. We did a trial run in a farm in Holland. And, you know, if we can scale this up. Of course, I have not noticed...
00:26:33
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nappies on cows at any point since in in the many fields full of cows that I've passed by in this country, you know, so it obviously didn't take on, you know, it wasn't much and changing a cow's nappy. It's hard enough changing a toddler's nappy. Imagine changing a cow's nappy. It's just ridiculous lengths that they will go to not to change to...
00:26:54
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too plant-based sources of protein yeah i know yeah yeah yeah try a bit of oat milk guys it's great i mean seriously you know you don't have to go up at five in the morning and don let that switch to oat milk did you notice the the weasel word balance in there it's it's like the the the word for oh god what's the organization it a is the a A, B, oh, God, the the board in the UK promoting meat and what
Questioning Industry's Sustainability Claims
00:27:22
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have you. I forget his name now. Eat Balance, the Eat Balanced campaign that, um you know, Chris Packer might go at and what have you. So I just think, oh, yeah, balance, balance. Oh, yeah, let's be balanced about this. You know, it's just that they've got all their kind of little scripted bits, haven't they? They just trot out at you and, you know, ah dear, just.
00:27:47
Speaker
drives you mad. Well, I think we all agree that these were propaganda, meat propaganda, greenwashing, and just basically a flawed premise from the beginning that doesn't need to be cow versus no cow. That's not what we're looking at. There are other options besides eating cows. was going to say, there are other herbivores available, you know, wild ones, for example. I mean, Ireland, I didn't realize, but it should actually be a temperate rainforest. Yes. All cows that are in places like New Zealand or or Ireland or the UK, they that they shouldn't be there at all, really, in nature. They should be hanging around in little social groups where there's a bull and a bunch of cows and a bunch of their offspring, hanging around in places like met Mesopotamia, as it used to be known, Iran, Iraq, the the Levant. That's where they're from. That's where they should be.
00:28:41
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Chickens shouldn't be stuck in sheds in in in Hampshire. that They should be running around the jungles in Vietnam. places say yeah there There are places for all these animals. As you say, it isn't a world without cows. It's a world without dairy that the dairy industry. not That I can get behind. you know And cows should be in their rightful numbers, in their rightful place, as nature intended.
00:29:01
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Anywhere outside of that just tends to unbalance things, as we're using the word balance. Yeah, I think that's a great place to end it. So thank you, Mark and Kate, for your work preparing for this discussion. And Kate, thank you for watching us twice.
00:29:15
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00:29:48
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Mark, when's the next episode going to be? So the next episode of Enough of the Flatfall episode will be available from Monday. It'll Vegan Week and will be our usual roundup of the week's vegan and animal rights news. And I think the reason that Kate watched that ah World Without Cows Ireland twice is because she fancies that farmer, farmer Niall Quinn.
00:30:10
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Yeah, thanks, Mark, for outing me on that. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Mark. And thank you, Shane, for your fantastic contributions. Thanks, everybody out there for listening to us rabbiting up. I've been Kate, and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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And sometimes, if you're lucky, at the end of an episode, you'll hear a poem by Mr Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
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