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Six Degrees of Menendez Murders: I Knew a Guy Who Knew the Guy - Pseudo 152
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As the Menendez murders have gotten renewed attention in recent weeks, I thought I would tell my story about my personal interactions with one of the cast of characters involved in the trial. I found him to be a really nice guy involved in an insane situation.
It’s funny how similar true crime is to both archaeology and pseudoarchaeology (and I’ve found that they also have very similar audiences- I bet that many of you are into true crime as well). On one hand there’s real data and facts you can use to solve the case, and on the other there’s a bunch of shysters and liars trying to tell a fake story!
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Introduction to the Podcast Network
00:00:00
Speaker
You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network.
Purpose of the Pseudo-Archaeology Podcast
00:00:05
Speaker
You are now entering the pseudo-archaeology podcast, a show that uncovers what's fact, what's fake, and what's fun in the crazy world of pseudo-archaeology.
Episode 152 Introduction
00:00:23
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the pseudo-archaeology podcast, episode 152. I am Dr. Andrew Kinkelo,
Focus on the Menendez Murders
00:00:30
Speaker
your host for the Eve, and tonight, the Menendez Murders, and my teeny tiny bit of actual first-person information that I have locked deep inside my brain. No, this is not an admission of guilt.
00:00:55
Speaker
OK, so we're going to talk about true crime tonight. Which is a bit of a left turn, of course, from what we usually do, but but not exactly.
True Crime vs. Archaeology
00:01:06
Speaker
You know, I was thinking I was thinking a bit about true crime, you know, and and archaeology and pseudo archaeology. And I think.
00:01:18
Speaker
They're all like very close bedfellows. You know what I mean? It seems to me like most archaeologists or archaeology type of people are also really into true crime. Like, raise your hand if you're into true crime. You know what I'm saying?
00:01:35
Speaker
In my time in this archaeology world, I found that just a lot of people are, you know, and you can see why, because it takes the same kind of mental focus, you know, and so somebody who finds that kind of mental focus satisfying in archaeology, you know, the idea of having only so many artifacts and only so many facts of the past and trying to piece together a puzzle. It's the same thing in true crime, right? You only have so many facts and you have to piece together the who done it and my big joke with true crime is like they have so much evidence compared to us you know what i mean it's like hey man your murder only happened like ten years ago my murder happens two thousand years ago. You know and you do get.
00:02:21
Speaker
ah sort of a pseudo-archaeological push in there too, because while we in archaeology have people who are trying to just sell fake stories, you have people trying to sell fake stories in true crime, right? You know, various lawyers, various liars, and so on. So it's just so funny. It feels like a very similar world. Now, before I get into my little, fun little tale that has to do with the Menendez murders,
00:02:50
Speaker
I do want to say that just recently we did this like real archaeology event. And by we, I really mean Flint Dibble and a couple other people who helped him out. My friend Frederick Truschman was ah one of those people and there were there were many others, but they did an event over I believe it was October 25th through the 27th.
Challenge to Pseudo-Archaeology
00:03:13
Speaker
And it was where creators who make real content like me but What we would do is we would upload content and put the hashtag of real archaeology to it. And it was this push, you know, against the pseudo archaeology crowd where it's like kind of the hear us roar thing. And I thought it was super successful. The hashtag real archaeology was trending. I was just I was really proud of Flint and and my other friends, really kind of all of us who do this kind of week in, week out, year in, year out.
00:03:47
Speaker
I thought it was a really excellent idea so just massive kudos to flint and crew. It it just really kicked ass if you guys go online you'll see these like hashtag real archaeology stuff and some of my stuff has a hashtag real archaeology on it you know and just do a deep dive and and look you know if you follow my stuff like look at these other people what they're doing they all we're all trying to make you know, reality, fact based content. And um I thought i don I thought it was a smashing success. So that was that was my kind of last week. And you may also be wondering, and I know you are, you're like, can tell that you are late on your recording like later than usual. Like this show, I'm recording this show six days after it was supposed to air. That is
00:04:38
Speaker
With a round of applause, a new low for me. And, yeah you know, I think it was it's just because you guys that do a lot of stuff and I know we all do a lot of stuff, but I had to focus a little on some of the real archaeology stuff. So I kind of put this to the side, but I'm really happy I did ultimately because.
00:05:00
Speaker
I was going to do a show on something completely different, which I'll do in the in the future.
Menendez Brothers Case Update
00:05:04
Speaker
But the Menendez murders thing is just sort of flooding the news recently, you know, because I guess the Menendez brothers are in the news again because they're thinking of like either retrying the case or or Yeah, basically reopening it, you know, and there's this big push to like free the Menendez brothers. Basically, you know, speaking of hashtags, I'm sure there's a million of them. They're like free the Menendez brothers.
00:05:34
Speaker
So so what this reminded me of a personal experience I had way back in I think it was either late 93 or maybe 1994. It was it was in that time period and I was a college student. Right. So yes, friends. Let me take you back in the way back machine to a place we go very quite often. The early 1990s.
00:06:05
Speaker
Times were better than a Shangri-La that we can never quite go back to, but check it out. So
Media and the Menendez Murders
00:06:13
Speaker
the backstory with the Menendez killings goes like this. Basically, two brothers in a very wealthy family in Beverly Hills cold-bloodedly murdered their parents in their living room with shotguns. There you go. right And this was before the OJ case. right And this actually happened in 1989. So for me personally, I was still in high school. I wasn't in Southern California yet, but it made the news. Of course, it was huge. And and for the first several months, so the Menendez brothers do this,
00:06:53
Speaker
The police don't really quite realize it's them for like six months or so. And they go on the shopping spree. They buy like a Porsche. They buy Rolexes. All right. It's just this crazy made for Hollywood insanity. And then the police finally catch on. Oh, it was the two brothers who cold bloodedly murdered their parents. And then after that, you have the trial, which happens in basically 93, I think, into 1994.
00:07:20
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And of course, the case kind of ratcheted up in levels again. First, you have the crime right in like, I believe it's late 1989 and then the sort of whodunit. I remember, I think, I think.
00:07:38
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the brothers were saying that they thought the mafia killed them because their father was really wealthy, right? He's a multimillionaire and kind of part of big business with a double capital B. And so they're kind of trying to sell this story. And of course, it just smells really funny sort of throughout, right? So the public is at first confused. You know, who was it? I mean, it kind of seems like it might be the brothers because, you know, in these kind of crimes so often as family members.
00:08:07
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But it was just very confusing. It was very tabloid fodder. I don't know if there were I mean, if you look back historically, you know, that there there were other tabloid fodder cases, be it the Lindbergh baby, you know, or this kind of thing. But this really was kind of the case for the 90s, you know, until OJ. So OJ overshadows this.
00:08:33
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But, you know, so people were unsure who did it. Then the police kind of finally figured out the brothers ah like basically ultimately tell various people that are exposed. Right. And then are finally brought in and taken to jail.
Menendez Brothers Trial Details
00:08:51
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And then they're in jail, obviously, like three years before the trial starts.
00:08:56
Speaker
So the trial starts, it's kind of that trial of the century kind of vibe. And of course, ultimately, they are convicted of murder and basically given life sentences without parole. And they've been in jail basically ever since it was probably early 1990 or something like that. So 34 years.
00:09:18
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When they committed the crime, the the two brothers are Lyle and Eric. Eric was pretty young. I think he was 19 or so. I might be getting these like a year off or so. And Lyle, the older brother, was like 21, 22, something like that. So so picture them at that that that age. I'm thinking that most of you sort of listening to my voice, you know the Menendez case, right? It's doubly so now because there's this TikTok movement to free them, right? So just like me, you've been inundated with your various social media, with your various news reports on just like, oh, should the Menendez brothers go free? Now, I don't have really a horse in this race either way, honestly, in terms of should they go free or not? I actually don't know how I feel. But what I do know is I did have some interactions with basically one of the witnesses and I didn't know that he was and the things he told me I thought were
00:10:26
Speaker
Really interesting. And ultimately the way the media made him out, I thought was fascinating for how cruel it was in some ways and how different it was from my personal experience with this person. And when we come back, we will figure out who this person is.
00:10:53
Speaker
Hello, and welcome back to the pseudo-archaeology podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Kinkella, and we are talking about the Menendez murders, and I have done this setup just to keep you around, just for clickbait. It's really sad. I'm just really see-through and pathetic, let's be honest, of the sort of who in the case did I know a little bit personally. All right, let me set you up with how this went down for me.
00:11:22
Speaker
It's either late 1993 or early 1994, and I'm at UCSB, right? And I was a double major at UC Santa Barbara in archaeology, of course. I know. You're like, thank God. And film. I was a double major, and so I had to take a the full suite of film classes.
00:11:43
Speaker
You know, I took a ton of them and I did as an aside, I really enjoyed it. I was originally going to be a drama major yeah and there were aspects of drama that just the major aspects that I wasn't really into. And so I sort of dropped that, but I was missing that creative outlet and film really filled it. I really enjoyed my time. It left a scar on the best possible sense. The the film studies department at UCSB, it was great. So.
00:12:07
Speaker
ah By 93, 94, I'm like a junior-ish, senior-ish. I graduate ultimately in 95. But to graduate, all film majors had to take this really high-end film seminar. And in fact, I think there were two of them that you had to take. And we were in this class, and this is like an upper division, you know, really only take it when you're a senior. Maybe you're a junior and you take it, but really, these are like kind of the upperclassmen, right?
00:12:37
Speaker
And it's taught in the little room, you know, I think many departments on campus will have like the little room, the little like meeting room. And in the little room, there's going to be a big table and then a bunch of seats around it.
00:12:53
Speaker
And the room might hold like 18 people if you shove them in there. You guys know what I mean? This is the kind of, it's like a conference room, you know, they're physically quite small with a big table. And then you have chairs around the table. And then in this case, you also had a handful of other chairs that were right against the wall. It was one of those ones where there was barely any room to walk.
00:13:15
Speaker
Right? Almost like a boardroom in a way. ah So I'm in there and the professor's up front and this professor was a very loud, like boisterous and very positive sense, dynamic lecturer. And he's talking about film theory. And I always like sitting in the back. I've been that guy, right? The sit in the back guy.
00:13:35
Speaker
And as class went on, I would always sit next to this other guy. And the two of us, just as classmates, would just have a conversation you know about our day. you know We would just talk about what 22-year-olds talk about. you know Oh, hey, hey, I'm doing this thing with my girlfriend next week. Hey, oh, did you go to that party? Oh, yeah, sure. Oh, man, but like like how's your car doing? I heard you know i heard you needed to like get new tires, whatever.
00:14:00
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And we would just shoot the shit. And I really liked him. I found this guy to be like self-effacing, smart, personable, very smiley, if that makes sense. you Just like a positive guy. And we would just talk wed talk. We'd talk about the assignments. And I was just really happy that I ah sat next to him. you know We just had a friendship in class.
00:14:26
Speaker
And so the time goes on in class at UCSB is on the quarter system. So instead of ah like a 15 week semester, it's only a 10 week quarter. I can't remember when it's this starts to happen, but fairly early on, he starts to miss class. And then there's a part where he really misses a lot of class. And I'm kind of you know i'm going to class like whatever it is twice a week,
00:14:54
Speaker
And I'm like, where is he? You know, like, what's, what's he doing? Like, this is a serious seminar class. You know, like you gotta be there. You gotta watch the movies. You gotta like talk the high end stuff. You gotta do papers. There's a ton of papers. It's a very rigorous class. Some of this high end film theory stuff, it sounds like it would be easy. Oh, you just watch movies, but it's not. It is very, it takes a lot of effort and time and focus. So a couple of weeks go by,
00:15:23
Speaker
And I'm like, did he drop? But one day he comes back and I remember I see him come in and he's on time, but he walks in up front and he talks to the professor for a minute and they kind of nod and they kind of are like, OK, kind of gets this OK.
00:15:40
Speaker
And I'm looking at him like, what the hell? Right. So he sits down and I'm like, dude, like you've missed a lot of classes. You're going to you're going to fail this. This is serious. Right. You got it. I mean, I'm like, dude, I can show you my notes and stuff. You know, of course. But but you got to be here for this material. This is this is heavy stuff. And he's like, man, man, I know. But the trial.
00:16:07
Speaker
And I'm like, the trial. Did you did you get a DUI? Because, you know, of course you're a college student, you're like, why would somebody be like gone for a trial? You know, ah he's like he's like and and he was kind of a little weighted, you know, when he said this and he's like, I'll never forget this. He's like, have you heard of the Menendez trial?
00:16:33
Speaker
And if you're living in Southern California in like the early 90s, everyone has heard of the Menendez trial. It's on TV every night. It's on court TV. This is a brand new thing at a time, right? It's the thing that everyone is watching and riveted to, right? And I'm like, have I heard of the Menendez? What are you doing?
00:16:55
Speaker
court. What? You know, I'm like, yes, yes. I've heard of them in a minute. His trial. He's like, well, you know, the younger brother, Eric. I was his best friend. I'm the guy who turned him in. And I'm like.
Personal Connection to the Case
00:17:10
Speaker
oh my god and we're having this conversation in class while the professor's up front in this little room right and he's talking his high-end film theory stuff so i'm like trying to have this this conversation with this student and i'm pissing myself like wanting to talk to this guy so bad but like the professor's talking he's kind of looking at us and i'm trying to looking at him like like no i wasn't talking you know but as soon as he starts as the professor starts on another rant about film i i would lean over and ask more questions because i just I was dying. Right. So I leaned over to him and I'm like, I'm like, hey, man. You got to tell me. Remember, this is early days that we didn't know as much as we know now about the Menendez trial. He's like, I'm like, you got to tell me. Did they do it? And I remember he leaned back over and he's like, Andrew, they totally did it. It was premeditated. They plan to do it. They are cold blooded killers. They did it for the money.
00:18:09
Speaker
and i was like wow Cause I'm getting like primo info in like my upper division film theory class, right? And so it's just like the movies, right? He tells me he this thing and I'm freaking out. And then the professor's looking at us like, you, know you, you boys need to shut up. You know, he, the professor never said that, but we were, I could tell. I'm like, right. Cause I'm trying to be cool. I'm trying to like, I didn't want to be disrespectful, but I'm, I got to know this stuff. So as the class progressed,
00:18:43
Speaker
I leaned over and I asked him more stuff. you know and Honestly, I can't remember everything I asked him, but I remember a handful of things. One of the other things I was like, hey, did you do any interviews? like Do people ask you to do interviews about this?
00:19:01
Speaker
And he's like, man, they asked me all the time. Right. Like the media asked me all the time about interviews. And he's like, you know what? I stay quiet. I stay quiet. I stay quiet because I think I think he had a lawyer who was telling him, you know, not to or whatever. But then he's like, but man, then a current affair came. And if any of you guys remember from the 90s, a current affair was like a big sort of media show, you know, sort of full media hype kind of show.
00:19:30
Speaker
And I can't remember how much money he said, but let's, I remember it was a ton. I want to say it was either $20,000 or $50,000. He was like, he was like, then a current affair offered me like $50,000 for an exclusive. And yeah, I took the money and I talked to them and I was like,
00:19:49
Speaker
Wow. and And I was like, yeah, dude, of course I would, too. You know, you got to remember we're like 22 year olds. You know, I think I think he was like a year or two older than me, but we're in the same generation. You can't even tell. But I was like, yeah, dude, I would have done that in a second. You know, so so he's like, yeah. And then I did the interview and, you know, and that was that. And. I'm like, uh huh. And then, you know, some time pass and then I ask him another thing because I remember that he seemed like tense about certain bits of it, you know, as you would think anyone would. You you have to go and testify in a murder trial. And I was like, hey, man, you seem you seem kind of scared like or something like, you know, it seems like it's kind of like weighing on you a little bit. You know, I'm like, what's up? And he's like, he's like, look,
00:20:47
Speaker
Both of those brothers are, you know, millionaires. And we also we have to remember that the time between when the brothers committed the murder to when they were ah put into jail was like six months. So they had plenty of time to hide money in this kind of stuff. And he's like.
00:21:02
Speaker
I just have a real feeling that they have a lot of money on like offshore accounts. And if they get any kind of parole, I remember he was really worried about them like getting parole. He's like, if they get any kind of parole, they're just going to leave this country. And Andrew, they are vindictive and they're going to they might like send someone to kind of do something to me. And I'm just I'm just really worried about that. And I'm just telling you guys, he just Seem to really feel like that, you know at the time that answer Felt really James Bondy to me. It felt like kind of over the top. I'm like what but he he definitely like believed what he was saying that there was no reason for him to um Exaggerate, you know because I was just his his classmate and and we talked about a bunch of little everyday stuff I he never
00:22:00
Speaker
was trying to show off ever. It was the opposite. I was trying to pry stuff out of him. So I want you guys to realize that he was he was just a very like like to a point almost kind of to himself a little bit, you know, and I was it it was always a smooth conversation, but it was definitely me asking him. He never like volunteered stuff, you know, and and it and it did feel like all of it was a little weighing on him. It makes sense.
00:22:30
Speaker
And oh, the ah of course, the big thing when I asked him, you know, did they do it? And when he said they were, you know, just cold killers, I'm like, well, how do you how do you now? How do you know they did it? And he's like, Andrew, like Eric was my close friend. He's the younger brother. And, you know, I can't remember how long, but he's like, you know, a couple of days after the murders.
00:22:58
Speaker
Eric just opened up and spilled the beans and told me everything. He took me through the entire set up of like how they, you know, walked into the house and how they murdered their parents and what it was like and how he felt like the whole thing.
Craig Signorelli's Involvement
00:23:12
Speaker
He's like, Andrew, he told me the whole thing. And then I was like, what'd you do? He's like, well, I sat with that information for a while and I can't remember how long it was if it was like 48 hours or a couple weeks or something. But he's like, you know, I sat with that info. I wasn't really quite sure what to do. I was really scared. But ultimately, I went to the police and I told them what was up. And so, yeah, he gave the police this major information. Now, there were other
00:23:48
Speaker
Entities giving the police information too. It wasn't just this person and I should give you the name of this person This group this person's name is Craig Signorelli if you ever watch any sort of Menendez documentary or the Netflix show on the Menendez murders called what monsters I think that just came out He'll have a smaller part. It's that he's always the he's the friend, you know, and he often shows them playing tennis I think Craig was really really good at tennis from what I remember That may be how they originally met. I can't remember. But but if you get into the Menendez story, their their tennis is a big deal throughout. And Craig was I believe these days that's he's still involved in the tennis world. But that was his story, you know, and I found it obviously utterly fascinating. And I really had a lot of empathy for him.
00:24:44
Speaker
when we return. My final thoughts on the Menendez murders. Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archaeology podcast, episode 152. I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Kekela, and we are wrapping up the Menendez murders and my little relationship to one of the witnesses. Now,
Media Portrayal of Craig Signorelli
00:25:10
Speaker
in the intervening years. And what's funny is I haven't thought of this a lot. You know, obviously there's I do have other things in my life than the Menendez murders. I know not not much, but there's one or two things I looked up Craig, you know, and just signal rally and just just to see what the media world kind of says about him. And you know what? They're kind of cruel.
00:25:34
Speaker
That was one of the reasons I kind of wanted to do this, too, because because when you if you look up Craig Cignarelli, a bunch of people complain about him. They're like, ah he was a crappy witness. and You know, he was not believable. And I'm like, what? You know, I found Craig to be smart, thoughtful, kind of demuring in a in a positive sense. You know what I mean? Like just a good conversationalist.
00:26:03
Speaker
reflexive, you know, all that, all that kind of good stuff. Like just a cool person who you'd want to be friends with. You know, he was not like a braggart over the top showy, none of that stuff.
00:26:16
Speaker
When you go online, they say stuff about him like, oh, just so preppy. And it's like he's he's in court. He has to dress up. How else is he supposed to look? It's like the early 1990s. What's he going to do? You know, a any male dressing up would look preppy in 1993.
00:26:36
Speaker
So it's true, yes, he came from, I believe, a wealthy-ish family in Calabasas. That's how he knew him. He grew up in Calabasas with the Menendez brothers. But I just, I want to kind of...
00:26:51
Speaker
give him a little defense and be like, you obviously don't know him. it's It's one of those moments just where the the Internet and Twitter and all that stuff is just so poisonous and gross. It's like, sure, you can you can talk constructively about what would have been better or worse for him as a witness on the stand. How should he have said things? You could say that. That's fine. And and I guess a lot of the jurors basically you know didn't find his testimony that moving or something, which is so what?
00:27:20
Speaker
you know You see weird stuff online too where they're like, I can't believe he betrayed Eric. yeah What's he supposed to do? Keep a double murder to himself? like that's That's idiotic, right? Yes, he needs to tell the cops. what Should he be complicit?
00:27:37
Speaker
in the murder, you should keep it to himself. It's just idiotic stuff, right? And all these fools online, it's like, yeah, if you were in his shoes, yeah, you'd keep it to yourself because you're hardcore. It just, it really drove me nuts, you guys. it just I felt that it was completely just unfair, you know, to Craig. And what else are you supposed to do? I can put yourself in his shoes. What would you do? You know,
00:28:03
Speaker
People complaining that how you dressed in court, you were too clean shaven. Should he have come in in some sweats and a T-shirt? Like, God, it's can't can't you hear it my voice? yeah I've gotten listeners. I've gotten riled up.
00:28:21
Speaker
I have to control myself. I have to control myself. So, oh, I would also say, you know, in terms of his demeanor on the whole case thing, he did not brag about it again at all. I was the one pushing him. I mean, I'm sitting there in film studies class going, Hey, Craig, come on, you got to tell me, you know, like, Oh, so they did it. Oh, you know, like, it's my fault. It's my fault. It's not his fault.
00:28:46
Speaker
And and they they batter Craig on how good of a friend he was with Eric too. It's like, have none of you gone to high school? You know, they they talk about, oh, well, Craig wasn't really his friend anymore. It's like, yeah, well, I had a super close friend in high school and we grew apart after we graduated from high school, like 92% of friendships, you know? But we were still close. Like, like if you think back to,
00:29:15
Speaker
high school friendships, those people who maybe you haven't spoke and spoken to in years or decades. they still know a lot about you. Like, like I would say that my old high school friends know me, you know? And they would be very good people to interview if you were doing the Andrew Kinkela unauthorized biography. Like they would, they would have a lot to say. So you can't throw Craig under the bus by oddly saying that that he didn't defend his friend and he wasn't really his friend anyway. Like what? Stupid. I don't, it's one of those things I just don't get.
00:29:51
Speaker
I don't get the Craig Signarelli hate. I don't get it. He's a nice guy, you guys. And at the same time, I'm not here to say that I was Craig's close personal friend. I was not. We were merely classmates in class and he was somebody I enjoyed. Like, like if I.
00:30:13
Speaker
Walked into class late and he was sitting there. I'd be like, oh, cool. I can sit next to Craig. This is cool. You know, and that's that's it it today. I don't think he would remember me. I definitely know he wouldn't remember my name. I couldn't remember his, you know, at first. But he would probably remember something like, oh, yeah, that dude who I sat next to in film class or whatever, you know, that kind of thing kind of remember my look or something like that. That's that's very fair. So.
Potential Reopening of the Menendez Case
00:30:42
Speaker
Why am I talking about all this in the first place? Well, it wraps back to the beginning so that the Menendez case is now back back in the public eye and it's because they want to reopen it and there's this push to get them basically to get them off. And the reasoning being.
00:31:01
Speaker
that their dad was a pretty horrible person. Right. That comes out and may have abused the boys. Right. This kind of thing. This comes out. But I will tell you this. I do know at the time Craig was not into that. He was like, dude, I don't believe any of that. Right. that he He felt that it was totally trumped up by them in an attempt Of course, to to get off or to lessen their sentence. you know I have no idea what Craig would say today. Again, he's operating in 1993, 94. Other information does come to light, but then you have to ask yourself hard questions like,
00:31:42
Speaker
even if the boys were molested somehow, does that still okay buying shotguns, premeditated, going into your house and blowing away your parents? See, that's tough. You have to think of the whole case in a cold, adult, thoughtful manner, which of course I'm known for, you know,
00:32:10
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cold, thoughtful adult manner. that's a fruit Who's the first person you think of when you go cold, thoughtful adult, you're like Andrew King Keller. That's who's coming to dinner. So who knows where this is gonna go. At this point, the brothers have served, geez, 30 years plus 35 years. And I don't really have a feeling or take on you know should they be set free or not.
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Are they bad people no matter what? Yes. Would you do that? And don't give me the internet answer. Oh yeah, I would. Yeah. I'd blow my parents away. Like, come on. There's, you know, there's, there's a little gray area in some of this, but anyway, that was my, that was my shoulder rub with fame.
Personal Reflections on Involvement
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It was interesting.
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It was interesting to have my secret little in on the facts of the case. I witness account, you know, as it's on television and in a funny way. I'm not from Southern California, right? But I moved here to go to school at Santa Barbara and I never left.
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It also just kind of introed me to the whole Southern California thing in a way, too. It was another of a thousand experiences where I was like, good God, Southern California really is like that. And with that, I'll talk to you guys next time.
00:33:46
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This episode was produced by Chris Webster from his ah RV traveling the United States, Tristan Boyle in Scotland, DigTech LLC, Cultural Media, and the Archaeology Podcast Network, and was edited by Rachel Rodin. This has been a presentation of the Archaeology Podcast Network. Visit us on the web for show notes and other podcasts at w www.archpodnet.com. Contact us at chris at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com.