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Speaker: Welcome to Sicily, Alaska, a Northern Exposure podcast.
Speaker: I'm Anne Flynn Terrell. I'm a cabaret performer and MC. I'm Caleb Cohart. I'm a documentary and commercial filmmaker. I'm Amy Gerlich. I own and run a improv and sketch comedy theater in Denver, Colorado.
Speaker: This is a podcast where we talk about Northern Exposure and how it's affected our lives. And we have some amazing special guests.
Speaker: Season 6, episode 17, Little Italy. So you know what's funny? This is episode 18. Oh, yeah The last one was 17. Let me reread that then. Yeah. If you're on the if you're on Amazon, it sees it's 17. But if you're in... Oh, that's what I was doing then. DVD order, it's 18. Yeah. Season episode eighteen little italy Welcome everybody to one of the worst rated episodes of the season. Yeah, one of the worst ones too. is it? So it was well rated. Yes, this is one of the worst rated episodes along with ah the two prior to the final episode. Yeah, the second to the last is like the lowest rated.
Speaker: and guess who like are the featured people in all of these horrible ones? The Capras. Yeah, well, not just the Capras, a whole cast of people. New people. Who we have never even imagined were living in this city for the past six years. Oh yeah. Even in this opening scene, it's like Dr. Capra's doing a house call He's in a completely different neighborhood in a town that we've never seen this we never seen throughout this entire series. We've never seen these houses. And Dr. Capra, turns out he has an incredible sense of smell, which I respect as a person who also has a very good sense of smell. I can tell like when there is enough garlic and there is never never enough garlic. So I respect this one part of him. But I do not respect that they just allow us to assume that there's been like a secret Sicily. this whole time.
Speaker: Yeah, i ah I have a special ability with my nose. I can always smell when things are have fully cooked. How does it smell?
Speaker: Um, I don't know. like this. It's like the I don't know, it get like especially when I'm baking. If I'm baking something, I can always smell exactly when the cookies are done.
Speaker: um It's got a different smell over time as it's cooking. it ah hits this like peak thing. But like before they turn, like I've never burnt anything ever. but like soup?
Speaker: like I'm thinking of cooking. like Baking, I can i can imagine like the caramelization hits a certain point and there's a certain burn point, but like can you smell cooking? Yeah. a like blu like Oven. Mostly oven stuff.
Speaker: um and I'm more of a visual when it comes to stovetop cooking. Yeah, I could see that. I can smell. Yes, when it's I can smell a good room for like Cajun cooking right before it's about to go over the edge.
Speaker: That's a skill that I'm working on. I can smell when it's about to snow. What about you, Caleb? What can you smell? um I think I have a decent sense of smell.
Speaker: have very poor hearing, so I feel like my smell has made up for it. um But I think aside from the fact that I now have to wear glasses, my eyesight has always been good. I can see more colors than the average person.
Speaker: Huh. Are you sure of that? I've taken the color test, and i um I can see more than the average person, which is interesting because men usually can't see as many colors. Exactly.
Speaker: Exactly. But yeah, i have i have I can see extra colors. That's my sensory gift. That's cool. Pistol shrimp. i think the Is it the pistol shrimp that can see the most colors on Earth? Yeah.
Speaker: I can't see like ultraviolet. I'm just saying like I can differentiate between shades yeah of colors more so than the average person. My husband, I think, is slightly colorblind.
Speaker: Because I'll be like, oh, you're wearing your orange shirt. And he'll like, this is an orange shirt. And I'll be like, what do you think it is? And he'll be like, it's kind of like a red. And I'm like, uh-uh.
Speaker: And then I'll be showing him other orange things in our house and be like, put this next to this because this is orange. And he'll be like, hmm. And I'm always like, I can't stand it because we we get into the stupidest fights over colors.
Speaker: i I like that I think that's great. No, I like that like people have very specific visions of color. And it reminds me of, to go off on a wild tangent, when, what is it, in the Odyssey? A wine dark sea.
Speaker: Because they believed before a certain point that people couldn't really see the color blue. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. That's crazy. I had something to do the light. I really like ah to go back to c Sicily for a moment. Yeah. i was feeling I was feeling a little catty when I got to this episode, but then I went to Moose Chick, which shout out to you, Moose Chick. I'm still loving your website, and I wish you would reply to my emails. Yeah.
Speaker: um We'd still love to have you on the show. Yeah. But she starts off the synopsis for this episode. Surprise, surprise. After six seasons, it seems that Cicely still holds some wild cards.
Speaker: And I was like, I hope that she's also feeling a little bit catty because yes. So Dr. Capra is, he smells a whiff of ant. Now I am always thrown by this name.
Speaker: Gemma. Gemma. Yeah. Right. Gemma's spaghetti sauce. I see the name written. I see it in my head and I want to say Gemma because it's G emmma ah i've known a j E M M A. M M Yeah, it it always throws me and I know the Brits often say Gemma Gemma.
Speaker: ja Yeah. It makes sense though, right? Because gem in the holograms is with the J. But like, it's a gem, so it should be a G. So it should be G-E-M in the holograms.
Speaker: Yeah, but it's not. And I love Jem. Shout out to Jem and the Holograms. Also the myth yeah Misfits. I loved the Misfits. We get a little bit of a like a breaking the fourth wall kind of scenario after Aunt Jemma's pasta sauce because Robert Siegel makes an NPR little brief debut talking to Ruthann on the radio show, on the radio programs. She was great.
Speaker: She was phenomenal. Yeah. As they start waxing poetic about basically like trying to remind the viewers like, hey, remember how good this show was? Yeah, she was like telling the story of the fling. Yes, exactly. And very like very artfully done. It took me back to happier times. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: yeah was just trying to remember to remind everybody we only have a few more episodes. Everybody stick with us, please. Please stick with us through the end of this. Well, it's almost like the arc that they had with Ed where they're like, this is the origin of the story, right? Where it's like, oh this is being seen through the lens and the eyes of a Native American boy who is abandoned and became a filmmaker. And then they're like, nope.
Speaker: This is about all of these quirky people in the Tales of Sicily. And it ended up on a PBS a radio station. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, I looking at my notes, Caleb, I feel like I am so much more vibes than you are the beat by beat of this episode because my notes go straight from NPR and Ruthann talking about the fling and making us try to remember the previous seasons to Michelle's hair being pulled back. And it looks like she has a buzz cut.
Speaker: That is my note for that next scene. Because I couldn't, I couldn't handle how crazy Dr. Capra gets at this point. go Oh my God. He's going nuts, man.
Speaker: He goes full fake cartoon Italian. Yeah. Italian to the level of the commercials for spaghetti sauce in the 90s. Yeah.
Speaker: Agaba go. They do go to this cool restaurant in the basement of Because the speakeasy restaurant. The speakeasy restaurant is great. And also, how, again, are they expecting us to believe that we don't understand that Cicely now has a secret nightlife and a secret Italian? Yeah, all of our main characters are there. See, I i got this.
Speaker: i I got this, and this was actually one of my questions to you guys. Have you guys ever been to a secret restaurant?
Speaker: I've been doing some secret like speakeasies and bars and stuff. Okay. um See, you haven't been to one. you haven't been to one. So I've been to those too, where you get a card and it gets punched and you pay the end night. I'm talking about secret restaurants. So I've been to multiple ones.
Speaker: and New Hampshire, which is very Sicily, kind of like our little towns in New Hampshire, we at um my college, we had this secret brunch restaurant and it moved.
Speaker: It was always in a different person's like house. But when you would go, it would be like the living room and the family room. Everything would be gutted and it would be turned into a like a little restaurant. um And you got a the only way you got in was if you got a flyer.
Speaker: So there's people that walked around campus and they would pass out flyers to people that looked cool or whatever, because it wasn't just like a pop-up restaurant that was secretive. It was also a place that you went and smoked weed while you ate brunch.
Speaker: Now, this was in like 1993. yeah, that was and it was like if you didn't get it,
Speaker: one weekend you were like, man, ah really, I really wanted to go. So it's like, every time you got it, you were just like, hell yeah. And you would bring your own accoutrements and you could smoke and eat like really good brunch. And then the other secret place I went to which is not so secret anymore, but it's in Manhattan and the Lower East Side. And you go down a staircase and you have to ring a doorbell to get in. And back in the day, you used to have to also know a password, but it was this little tiny, um Japanese restaurant that had basically like dim sum and sake. And it was like, there's no sign.
Speaker: There's like no way you could find it on a map or anything like that. um And that was kind of the same deal, but it was in a really busy place of in Lower East Side.
Speaker: That's cool. Yeah. That is cool.
Speaker: We used to go to, in Lawrence, we used to go to a I think it was secret from the police, at least to the point that they knew about it, Mexican food restaurant. It was, I know they knew about it, but they couldn't technically know about it. It was amazing. It was like this,
Speaker: Mexican family in their house, like they lived upstairs and then downstairs, you'd have to drive across the river and go down this road where you're like, where the hell are we going? And you walk in and you have to get your own silverware and you just sit, they had just picnic tables in their living room.
Speaker: Yes. And they had, They had a ah ah piano. And so like the mom would run the counter and she would get you your drinks. And then one of the kids who could also speak enough English to take your orders would take your order and she'd run back in the back.
Speaker: And then the as soon as an order would go back, the piano player would stop mid song, stand up and go to the back. And then food would come out and the piano player would come out, sit back down and start singing and playing piano. Turns out it was the dad who was the entertainment and the chef. So whenever there was an order, he'd get up in the middle of the song and he would come back and start that song without skipping a beat right where he left off. That was a cool place.
Speaker: It was 100% illegally run. Right. No permitting. Yeah, yeah. We had tons of those in New York, too. Where it's like you had to be in the know to know. You'd go to like a, it would be like a community center, but really that's where all the Ethiopian people would go to eat because it would be like this authentic Ethiopian food. So I never could go in, but you know, we all knew about it. And it was just like, oh, man, I wish I could get in there. But it was like strictly Ethiopian people in there.
Speaker: Yeah. Yes, I have never i I don't think I have ever been. i know that there were a few in Denver that like the Westward profiled and then the health department shut them down because they have licenses and they were just operating out of the house. um I guess the closest thing would be a lot of the the food stands.
Speaker: like the street vendors, but no, never a secret, a truly secret restaurant. Yeah. I feel like you and Austin would have done that. You will at some point. I know it.
Speaker: Yeah. I know it. I'm so ready to take my own digestion. and gastric health into my hands. Oh, yeah. You don't think about those things. i've got a pretty strong constitution. I'm not concerned about that. And I would not be concerned to go into this restaurant because it does look like an underdone buca de beppo inside. Yeah.
Speaker: Do you guys want Penny Stanton's IMDB? I forgot I have hers on here. Go it. She's Mama Grippo. um Okay. Yeah, I did hers because it's so ah eclectic. So she has, um she passed away in 1999. So she passed away like almost ah eight months after doing this episode.
Speaker: um she had 158 credits um she the first tv show that she was on was called mr peepers in 1952 but here are the notable ones that we would all know because a lot of it was like variety show stuff um that i had never heard of but uh she was on zorro she was in west side story of the movie She was in Funny Girl, the movie. She was in Bonanza, The Flying Nun, Bewitched, Laverne and Shirley, Airwolf, Highway to Heaven, Fletch, the movie, Short Circuit, the movie, another Moonlighting episode. She was in an episode of Murder, She Wrote, Quantum Leap, Murphy Brown, Friends, And she always seemed to play like ah like ah an old Italian mama or a cook. She was like in almost everything that she was in.
Speaker: Yeah, that's good. That's all we know. I mean, i would love i've I've told Austin this and I think I've probably said this on this show. I don't want to be ever any more famous than the ability. I never want to be able to go to a grocery store and be mobbed by people. I always want to be able to shop at a grocery store, but I wouldn't mind having a typecast.
Speaker: and they just keep casting me as the same person over and over again and i just get to i was listening to an interview with missy pile i love missy pile and she always gets typecast as the weird girl and she's like i would go out for the serious role i would go out for the on go out for the sultry but just always the weird woman and she's made an incredible career out of it yeah never stopped working yeah
Speaker: I feel like we're diverging because I am very pained by this episode. So to like bust through it very quickly, synopsis, Dr. Capra basically breaks down the door of this restaurant, asking to get in. A very nice gentleman tries to tell him very politely, no, you cannot come in. He makes his way in. He then ingratiates himself to the grandma and then works his way into this Italian community that we've never met. The Cusimano's, the um what was the other, the the Trapani's, the Macello's, like he makes his way into this entire Scorsese film that we've never been allowed into that's taking place in
Speaker: in Sicily. Yeah. Which is, I mean, appropriate, like Sicily, with a name like Sicily, you would think, not seeing the spelling, that this is an Italian community. Yeah.
Speaker: and Of course it is not. They had to do it. They had to. And he puts on these fake aesthetics and then he gets caught in, I love a family feud. I love a, not a family feud, but like um warring neighbors.
Speaker: I actually, if I had to like any part of this episode, it was the part of the episode where these two families were fighting because it was just like, oh this isn't Northern Exposure at all. It's just some other show that I'm watching.
Speaker: Yeah, I wrote about this whole family feud. I was like, wait a minute. Is this a little too stereotypical? Is this Italian storyline a little too on the nose? Almost a little racist by chance?
Speaker: You mean an Italian beef? Yeah, but I'm like, they leaned in hard, and they went for all the stereotypes. And like Phil, like you said it earlier, he literally becomes a cartoon character. Yes.
Speaker: And it's funny, because I'm only realizing this now, what I just said. If you would have come in and watched that part of the episode, you would have no idea that you're watching an episode of Northern Exposure. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I just thought you were watching no All Right, Fellas. Yeah, none... None of the original cast members were in like a good portion of this episode. We were just getting like, maybe they were wildly trying at spinoffs.
Speaker: Maybe I've never thought about this, but all of these weird subplots that they're throwing in, in these last few episodes, maybe they were like hail marrying ideas for maybe we can get a spinoff. Maybe we can get a Joanie loves Chachi out of this show. Yeah. I think they were trying really hard, too, to ingratiate the Capras, like these new characters, because they haven't been very involved. Like, we've had a couple of episodes with them, but, like, even the last episode, they weren't a big deal. Like, Michelle hasn't been in a couple of episodes by this point, right?
Speaker: They haven't been the central figures. And then all of a sudden they're super prominent. And I even noticed in the opening credits, Rob Morrow is gone. Both of them used to be like guest starring and now they're featured in the credit role. They've changed up the actual imagery like the shots in the credit roll for these guys yes so wondered if they were just at some point was there something with like i know the new producer comes in and goes look i'm tasked with killing the show but what i'm really tasked with is getting rid of the morrow legacy and all these other jabronis i'm gonna really keep this thing going but we're gonna call it the capras you know because maybe they end up moving to somewhere else and yeah yeah maybe that's what he was trying to do
Speaker: I mean, at this point in the kind of timeline, Sopranos is being greenlit. Like this is. it wasn't.
Speaker: When did Sopranos start airing? They didn't start filming it, but the idea and him pitching the Sopranos was right during this kind of time period, the Italian episode.
Speaker: which is ironic. so he's trying to prove that he can do it. Interesting. These were the early sketches, the napkin sketches of what but Quite possibly. We've got notes. Quite possibly, yeah. um The music has gone really downhill. I made a note of that in this this episode. like You can just feel in every element of it the difference. The music has been going downhill for a while, but at least in the past few episodes, it wasn't as bad. This one, it took a big, big turn. Yeah. um
Speaker: And then it becomes even more pandering when everybody in the town starts I don't know, plead to Ruthann to become a part of her stories because of how beautiful she made the city sound and how eloquently she spoke. And now everybody is just like lightly pitching her ideas like she's the next producer. And they're just like half-heartedly tossing. And I and love this. Listen, I've done this myself as a performer. If I know somebody's producing a show and I'm like,
Speaker: I do have an act that is kind of similar to what you were talking about. um Yeah. Everybody wants to be a part of it once there's a little success. Exactly. that Nobody has any chill.
Speaker: Nobody has any chill. Except for Marilyn, who, but also. Oh, I loved her note. Yeah, I love that she's just like, I hope the next one's about me. you're just like, Marilyn? Marilyn?
Speaker: oh This is more proof that, yeah, they're just throwing everything at walls. Shelley has an incredible brooch in this one. I really liked her brooch. um And then, of course, Shelley brings us to the fight.
Speaker: Shelley and Holling get into it, and Holling punches a moose. Dead moose. Yeah, it was aggressive. I mean, also, it's... Oh, yeah. He needs to get better at expressing his feelings. So, the hauling is very closed off.
Speaker: He's getting very frustrated because, like, Shelly's taking over the bar. Like, she's running all over him. She's had to run it for a long time. He up and disappears more often than not. He sleeps four weeks at a time. He goes off hunting four months at a time. She's had to run this. Yeah, I'm not saying she hasn't earned it but he needs to express himself a little bit more with his feelings.
Speaker: for sure. But there's no therapist in town. Wait, is there therapist in town? Oh, wait, Maggie, the mayor. It's part of the. Exactly. It's part of the. Governmental responsibilities. I love this, by the way. Like, could you imagine if any of us have fights with our spouses and we have to go to Mayor Mike Johnson.
Speaker: Denver, Colorado to solve our issues. Of course, I guess now Margarita and I would have to go to whoever the hell the mayor of Aurora is, but. Ooh, who's your mayor of Aurora? I have no idea. You changed whole cities. Yeah. I'm i'm an Aurora-itarian now. I'm no longer a Denverite. That's wild. Yeah.
Speaker: Aurora-itarian. Yeah. That's what I'm deciding to call it. i I like the sound of that. I don't know what they're officially called, but I feel like Aurora-itarian is the right word. I don't think you need to keep workshopping it, but I think I would just be open to other alternatives where they present themselves. Well, if other people want to be Aurorians, that's fine with that. But I consider myself an Auroritarian. I feel like I'm part of something. It's very George Orwell.
Speaker: Yeah, i feel like or like ah a lunch group for businessmen. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. All right. um Moving right along.
Speaker: ah I want to take us back a little bit because we were introduced to multiple Italian couples living in this little Italy area. And one of them is a police officer yeah named Angela that we have never met.
Speaker: In the entire time that we have lived there. And over the course of the past six seasons, we have been told multiple times that police officers have to drive in from sleep mute or from yellow knife. Yeah, we've got to get Szymanski in there. We've got to get Szymanski. And all the while, Angela's been here.
Speaker: Angela's been here for how She only patrols Little Italy. She only patrols the four houses of Little Italy. that one yeah street where a Michelle got a dead battery. the The one street that Michelle got a dead battery and Little Italy. So she's like a, she's a very zone specific police officer. yeah But what the hell is going on? What do they take us for? This is such an insulting episode. Cannon is out the window.
Speaker: absolutely She's bent. She's a bent cop. She's crooked. Yep. So, like, Michelle wanted to live there in the last episode. Now, like, it everybody wants to... We don't even pay attention to what happened in the previous episode, let alone canon for the entire series. ah Michelle keeps flip-flopping. Phil, Dr. Capra, keeps flip-flopping on whether they want to stay. Now, now there is a meeting of the families. Like, we've gone full godfather.
Speaker: And we have... We have a meeting. And this is back at the chapel, right? Yeah. They're meeting the Yeah. Back at the church Yeah. Okay. And, oh it it was all a big misunderstanding come to find out over a misplaced $5. Of course. Or assumed $5. It was all, it was a mountain out of a mole hill. And it turns out that these family problems can be laid to rest. Yeah. you know what guys i think if we could just talk things out yeah the world would be a better place i really wish we could just sit down could talk things out during sleigh rides yeah or i believe that a keep a booklet of receipts of things you hate about someone and then have them apologize single each time for each did you ever write down the things that somebody did to wrong you so you could make sure to remember them no
Speaker: um Yeah, remember last episode how I told you about how I felt when I came into this theater? Yes. I have a little book. Did you write that out?
Speaker: I wrote down every single thing that was horrifying or that a particular person did. Because one day I thought I'd need it.
Speaker: Well, Amy, you're- I've kept emails and stuff when I think that there's going to be an issue with a client, but not like personal beefs. This is more like a- Oh, always keep the receipts. Yeah, this was more like a journaling.
Speaker: situation. Like if I didn't get it out, I would have been excessively drunk all the time, you know? So. I mean, 100%, you always have to keep the receipts when you're dealing with clients or or anything. It's always just good to have that. I tend to remember when people have wronged me for an inexcusable amount of time. Oh, me too. I remember when my music teacher passed me over for getting to hold the egg shaker and use the egg shaker in music class. Like I will remember that moment forever.
Speaker: I have one of those if you ever want to come over and shake the egg. Let's venture back, shall we? Let's see here. um Oh, that's what I was going to say. Amy, your journaling through the theater was something that Holling could have taken a cue from because Holling, like you said, Caleb, does not know how to properly express his anger. And he does not know how to express his anger towards Shelley in any healthy way. Shelley also doesn't like apologizing.
Speaker: Yeah, she takes advantage of it. She knows She said it's very un-chick-like. Yeah. Yeah. It's the ultimate and vulnerable thing to do, right? It's like, do you you guys have anyone in your life that refuses to apologize?
Speaker: Yeah. My sister. I have had multiple people. Me too. I mean, I'm talking like. Caleb's sister. Like legit will say, don't apologize. I do not apologize.
Speaker: Or is it, are you saying just like you, ah by happenstance, you've never heard them. i'm to I have a friend, actually a person who listens to our podcast. You know who you are. You know who I'm talking to. You know who you are.
Speaker: They would have a jar on stage when they would teach and if someone apologized in a scene they would make them pay a dollar in the jar they you're like ah are adamant about not apologizing for things uh i agree with that like during rehearsals and stuff i hate that when you're like doing something like i'm sorry like no don't like that's not productive but i mean their characters their characters couldn't either.
Speaker: Oh, that's what I'm talking about. Even if it was they needed to be apologizing for the moment, though, like even if that character should have been apologizing for a wrong that had been done. I mean, the person that I'm speaking of, feel free to correct me and call me and tell me. But I think it's because he doesn't think people should apologize for anything.
Speaker: Wow. That's not healthy. Yeah, people need to take accountability. And I feel like some people view saying I'm sorry as, don't know, like a personal moral failing, when in reality, it really just shows if they're able to apologize and then change the behavior, it just shows accountability. Yeah.
Speaker: Sure. Yeah. The older I get, the more I do it too. Like if I get off, if I'm a little bit cranky and I'm a little short with my mom or I i slip into lecture Caleb, I'm never mean to my mom.
Speaker: um But if I, if I lecture her a little bit or I dismiss something she said, and then we hang up, I'll literally call her five minutes later and be like, I'm sorry. i was being a butt. Cause like the older I get, the more I apologize. Same. Yeah. I apologize to my husband a lot now.
Speaker: I don't think I did that in the very beginning.
Speaker: I also, I am bothered deeply when people can't take accountability. When people don't see the error or they see it, but they just have a problem saying I'm sorry. Yeah. i feel like I feel like manners are so important. Manners matter. They truly matter.
Speaker: Please and thank yous to me matter. Like I could go out of my way, make a huge dinner or a cake or something and really all you have to do is say thank you yeah and that like sends me to the moon all you've got to do is that little bit of acknowledgement and maybe that's bad of me to need that acknowledgement for doing the thing maybe I need to be journaling about that but when you fully ignore the gesture that is so that really like
Speaker: makes me so deeply sad. So yes, maybe should be talking to my therapist about that. Well, I remember someone saying, um it like struck me as odd, but now I understand it as I'm older now, but they would always...
Speaker: say like, just do nice things to do nice things. Don't expect even like a thank you or a acknowledgement. And it was like, I mean, i think it's intrinsically a religious kind of ah mentality, but it's like, it really, because it's like do unto others as you would want done to you, but like, don't expect any returns. Yeah.
Speaker: It's the hardest lesson I've had to learn as an adult is just to, because then you realize, oh, it's hard because i am doing this thing to get the thing. So it's like gift giving. I know we've talked about this, but like I'm a terrible gift giver because I get so excited to give someone a gift and I think it's so perfect. And when I don't get the reaction, like Christmas is very hard for me. Christmas day Christmas morning is very difficult.
Speaker: I know it is for a lot of people in different respects. But for me, i always build up how people should react to the gifts I get them. And I never, it will i will never get the response I want.
Speaker: I will never. i will it just won't happen ever. So I've given up I think that it is a very healthy thing to do. And on the flip side, like I love surprising people and them never knowing it was me. So maybe that's what I need to do. Maybe I need to trick myself into thinking just everything's a surprise for them and they never need to know. So they never have to say thank you. I like that.
Speaker: Maybe I'll just give people gifts and not put a tag on it. There you go. Maybe it doesn't have to ever come from you. So it's forever a mystery. And then there is no no guilt or sadness at what they don't say. I love that. Imagine if we could combine that with humanity, stop being such buttheads and actually saying thank you. Yeah. And then everybody sits down at the table together. And we have some gabagool.
Speaker: and some gobble go We have some. Oh, Get some. Bring back the the festival and everybody's happy again. Exactly. Let's fling a piano. No, actually, let's do the reverse. Ruthann will not go on Chris's radio show anymore. Instead of waxing beautiful poeticisms, she has decided to just stop that altogether. So fun over episode over.
Speaker: And also Maggie was a therapist. Yeah. I loved how Ruthann's whole thing, though, it was like um she didn't want it because she thought everybody was trying to cash in on her success. And then she actually turns around and admits that she's actually scared of the success. um Was it Chris she was talking to? Mm-hmm.
Speaker: where like he was talking about the whole idea of like good reviews can actually be more damaging than bad reviews. And so you start to get in your head, oh no, it was Ed. She was talking with Ed and Ed's like, yeah, sometimes good reviews are more damaging than bad reviews. And the best advice he ever got from one of his director friends was you have to move on to your second project.
Speaker: Um, so that you can get to the third. She flew too close to the sun. Dude, being, being afraid of the success is terrifying. So like I had a film a few years ago, they got into all kinds of festivals. I got to go to Paris. I got to go to, um you know, all these cool film festivals with it and everything.
Speaker: And I have since started four other original films and get them 90% done and then stop. And I think it's a similar thing Ruthann's going through. Like you're afraid of the actual finishing it because you're afraid of having to put it out in the world.
Speaker: It's a sophomore slump. Yeah. You just got to do it. You've had four sophomore slumps that have been waiting to become a junior. Yeah. Just put them all out. But also maybe Sophomore year has been the best four years of my life. It might also be kind of like the Coen brothers where it's like you have to make a... be in the process of making something and then you just start writing something else and like that ends up being your fun project after you finish that project kind of thing.
Speaker: Yeah, you just got keep moving forward. So yeah, she... Ultimately, she does get back on air. But yeah, with a little of a... can't remember the director that Ed was talking about, but it was one of the ones that guest starred several seasons ago that actually got him to finish the Shaman script.
