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Speaker: What's up, everybody, and welcome to episode one of the Stakeouts and Shakedowns podcast. I am your host, Wes Clifton. Just to tell you a little bit about me, I recorded a little brief ah episode zero. Maybe you'll hear it, maybe you won't, but to tell you a little bit about me, I'm I'm just a ah movie nerd from way back.
Speaker: I do other things. I'm a musician. I've done a little writing, things like that. um i'm ah I'm a history fan, but I just really love movies. And and I always have ever since I was a kid.
Speaker: ah I was in one of those families where my my family kind of bonded over watching movies and and going to the video store and snagging a pizza on a Friday night. And a lot of what we would watch were action movies.
Speaker: Uh, and you know, we would watch things like Beverly Hills cop and lethal weapon and things like that. Um, and I just always really loved those films. And so, you know, as time went by, I worked at a video store for a while.
Speaker: um, I just became a big movie fan. I love horror movies. I love action movies. I love Westerns. always tell people have a special place in my heart for anything kind of wild and over the top. So zombie movies, uh, commandos, ninjas, anything that explodes, motorcycles, helicopters, uh,
Speaker: anything like that is right up my alley. um but ah But I do, going all the way back to you know being younger and watching Lethal Weapon and Beverly Hills Cop, I got really interested in the buddy cop subgenre.
Speaker: And so you know as time goes by, you seek out more and more movies like that. And I decided it would be fun to do a podcast to just sort of explore that little particular corner of the cinema world.
Speaker: And so that's what we're going to do here. ah My initial idea was to call this podcast Hey Buddy, and we would have a a different one of my buddies on every time to talk about a buddy cop movie. And it turns out there's a lot of podcasts already called Hey Buddy.
Speaker: So now we're stakeouts and shakedowns, but the concept is the same. And for our first episode, our inaugural episode here, our very first guest is my good friend Mo Long.
Speaker: Hey, buddy, how's it going? It is going great. I am honored to be here as the guest on your inaugural episode. Awesome, man. Well, I'm really glad you could do this. I'm glad you wanted to do this.
Speaker: ah Mo and I have done some podcasting together before for our podcast, Celluloid Fiends. And so I thought it'd be great to bring Mo on as the first guest, you know, my my old podcasting partner in crime.
Speaker: ah We could we could kind of the boys are back in town, Mo. The boys are back in town. The boys are back in town. ah And so, yeah, great. Well, I'm glad you could be here. Mo, for the listeners, maybe tell little bit about yourself, who you are, what your background is as like cinephile.
Speaker: I am an editor, a writer, and a podcaster. i always loved films and watched them growing up with my family, but really started to get into cinema more.
Speaker: When I was in high school, as well as in undergrad, I took a couple film courses. And my first ever paid, which I use that term very liberally, writing gig was as a film critic for the now defunct examiner.com.
Speaker: And when they went offline in 2016 or 2017, I ended up taking all of my movie reviews and movie best lists and use that as the foundation to start my own website, cupofmo.com.
Speaker: And then started, as you mentioned, the Celluloid Fiends podcast. And I just, i watch a ton of movies. I'm genre agnostic. I'll appreciate pretty much any genre of film.
Speaker: Yeah, and Mo knows a ton about movies. always like Anytime he and I and several other other friends get together, we're the kind of people who just – we talk about movies until people are like, okay, don't you guys ever talk about anything else? The answer is no. i um um Most of my writing gigs have been paid very conservatively, so you know I feel you on that.
Speaker: um All right, cool, man. So since we're talking about in this podcast, we're talking about buddy cop movies. ah what What are some of your your favorites? Do you have a favorite buddy cop film? Do you have a few?
Speaker: ah what What's your thoughts on the genre? Yeah. It is. It's really hard for me to pick a favorite film. im same What I often do is say that I i have to do like top five or 10 by genre and then further break that down into sub genre. Although I think if I had to say a favorite buddy cop movie, this might change if you ask me tomorrow.
Speaker: I might say Beverly Hills Cop. I just think it is is one of the rare to me perfect films. I think I'd probably give it a five out of five. ah But I also I love Lethal Weapon. i love Bad Boys, Tango and Cash, 48 Hours.
Speaker: there are There are just so many buddy cop movies that I adore. Well, Beverly Hills Cop is the right answer, so that's good. and no that's definitely my my favorite as well. i Like you, I think that Beverly Hills Cop is just one of a handful of like essentially perfect movies. It's just so great, and it's definitely one of the things that drew me to the genre, and Lethal Weapon as well.
Speaker: ah and When you said that, it actually made me think. Another thing I should say for the listeners, in case ah hopefully all of you will join us for the long haul, um but this podcast, my plan is to... sort of not only hit the the big ones of the genre, you know, your Lethal Weapons, your Beverly Hills Cops, your 48 Hours, ah but but also hopefully get into some of the the ah unsung gems of the subgenre. I mean, you know, I'm goingnna i'm going to get into probably things like Stakeout and Shakedown, hence the name of the podcast, ah but also even things like I might do Cop Game and and movies like that.
Speaker: Uh, so ones that are less known. So we're going to mix it up a little bit. I'm not going to necessarily go in any particular order. Um, well, that's awesome, man. And so just final thing here in the little introduction section, have you seen any good movies lately? What have you been watching? You see anything you'd recommend to the listeners?
Speaker: I have seen a lot of stuff recently that I enjoyed the heck out of. I saw Sinners, which was phenomenal. I know it's only about halfway through the year right now, but to me, that's a contender for one of the best films of the year.
Speaker: I loved for the new Final Destination movie, Final Destination Bloodlines. And I thought it was just a phenomenal return to form for the series. I saw Strange Days recently, which I didn't really know anything about going in. And it was it was pretty it was pretty wonky in a lot of places.
Speaker: Just very... over the top and, and, and really gritty, uh, very experimental in some regards, but I would, I would recommend that one as well. and What about you? What are some films that you have seen recently that you might recommend?
Speaker: And you're listening all these, these new movies. I feel like this year, somehow I've just been really like negligent in seeing new films. Um, so I, um,
Speaker: Let's see We did see the new Mission Impossible, which I really liked. i mean, I've liked all those movies. It's funny. I was reflecting on that, and people were talking about, like, what's the best one? I don't know, because from movie to movie, I kind of just tend to let all those Mission Impossibles run together. And my idea is, like, cool, let's go see Tom Cruise just get progressively crazier and crazier and do crazier stunts. And and the new one was that. So I dug it. I liked that one a lot.
Speaker: I do need to see Sinners, like... When I saw the trailer for that, I remember thinking that this it doesn't appeal to me, but everybody else has said what you just said, that it's so good. um And so I definitely do want to check that out.
Speaker: But man, my VHS collection is getting out of control again lately, and so i've been watching a lot of old movies. like In the past week or so, I watched this, I think it was 1989 movie um called One Man Force, which was a, I think it was straight to video, action movie, cop movie about the guy who played...
Speaker: who played Sloth in the Goonies, plays a detective. And so like like the whole thing is basically just he's like this huge dude, and like the movie like definitely lets you know like this is a big guy. So watched that, and then I revisited Ernest Goes to Camp the other day on VHS, which was a childhood favorite, and in my mind, holds up. I really had fun watching that movie.
Speaker: Oh, that's a classic. The first time I saw that was actually at Boy Scout camp growing up. It's a good place to watch it. ah we So you said your VHS collection is getting out of hand by that. Do you mean you don't have enough VHS tapes?
Speaker: Yeah, that's definitely what I mean. I, uh, I did, invest in another set of like, I guess you call those drawers or they drawers or shelves or whatever recently. So maybe that'll help me get it under control, but I'm going have to take a trip out to, uh, Acme rewind soon and maybe, unload a handful of ones that I don't need as much anymore.
Speaker: I do still have a few duplicates. I've tried to to trim it down except for avenging force, which I, you know, I have two copies of that, but that's not a duplicate. It's a backup. It's important to have, um,
Speaker: right, well, cool, man. ah So let's go ahead and get into talking about the main subject of the night. Let's talk a little bit about about buddy cop movies. And so since this is the first episode, I thought maybe we would spend a little while i just sort of discussing the genre writ large ah before we get into tonight's film, which is 48 hours.
Speaker: ah So. What is a buddy cop movie to you? That is that's a great question, and it was something I was thinking a lot about as I was prepping show notes.
Speaker: I feel like there were are a few hallmarks of buddy cop films. It's usually a pair of cops. Normally, i feel like they're of bit at odds throughout the film, especially at the beginning. But then over the course of of the story, they come together in different ways and become a united front.
Speaker: as the picture progresses um that can manifest in different ways it could be like good cop bad cop uh it can be kind of more straight-laced and breaking the rules but i feel like usually there is some sort of opposition initially that at least somewhat dissipates as the film goes on Yeah, I think that is is pretty much it. You know what I mean? like So I kind of had written down the quote-unquote textbook definition, not that there's a textbook for buddy cop movies, but you know typically it's an action or action comedy flick.
Speaker: It is a subgenre of buddy films writ large, kind of the buddy film, which is also, ah I guess it's a genre. And it usually centers around two protagonists with very different personality. They're often cops or other law enforcement.
Speaker: And I did put, but not necessarily. I mean, which might seem counterintuitive, but... um you know i do think that there are certain movies where ah where I could say like, oh yeah, this feels like a buddy cop movie, and and maybe neither one of them are cops, or maybe they're they're criminals or you know something else.
Speaker: um I mean, you know tonight, the movie where at first movie we're talking about here, one of them is a cop, but one of them is not. One of the buddies is not a cop. Um, so, well, I would point to a couple of things there. one Like buddy cop, it's, it's singular, so it doesn't necessarily mean they both have to be cops. Plus I would point to one of your favorite genres, giallo, how oftentimes the principal investigator in giallo films isn't in law enforcement at all.
Speaker: So i I totally agree with what you were saying there. I think it is a genre that can work really well. even if the main characters are not actually cops or in law enforcement.
Speaker: Yeah, very true. I mean, like you just said, i wasn't even thinking about that. But, you know, you get movies like Deep Red and Bird with a Crystal Plumage. I don't know. I couldn't think of that for a sec.
Speaker: And were there, you know, they're journalists or or something like that or musician, you know, that are just kind of thrust into a into a mystery. So, yeah, it definitely could work. um To me, you get your like sub sub genres here of like ah cop and kid.
Speaker: ah You know, like ah Cop and a Half or Last Action Hero or you get like the the cop and dog, Turner and Hooch, K-9, Top Dog. I don't think i mean those are all buddy cop movies. they They all pretty much fit the definition.
Speaker: Of course, you know, you could argue that in some of those the dog is a is a cop. um But yeah, and it's the good boy cop. Absolutely. well Yeah, absolutely. Or is it? I mean, Turner and Hooch, I don't know. Who's the good who's the good cop? Who's the bad cop? I don't know.
Speaker: ah We'll get there eventually. ah But yeah, cool. So I do think, and that's what I wanted to address. like I think it's a genre that has, it's like anything else, especially with the movie were we were talking about tonight.
Speaker: um you know, maybe some of the later ones they did set out to like, okay, cool. We're going market a buddy cop movie. We're going to make a movie. That's just like these other movies that have been popular. So some of them, they probably do set out to make a buddy cop movie, but other ones, maybe not. Maybe it's just like something that happens or something that it becomes.
Speaker: And so it might not always fit the the definition. I will say like for this show, I'm probably going to push the genre pretty far. Like there are certain movies that I'm thinking of doing where it,
Speaker: Well, I guess I'll just say to me, it's a movie that focuses on the interaction between two characters that are paired together and usually involves some kind of crime or action setting. I think the line between a buddy film and a buddy cop film gets, it can get a little blurry.
Speaker: Like recently i watched Midnight Run for the first time and I, and like, I feel like that's a buddy cop movie, even though neither of the characters are cops. Um, But it felt like a buddy cop movie to me.
Speaker: But then I started thinking, what what separates this from planes, trains and automobiles, which is certainly a buddy movie, but not a buddy cop movie. um And I hate to like be gross, but it made me think about that like famous quote when somebody asked like a congressman or whatever to define porn. And he was like, I can't define it, but you know it when you see it.
Speaker: And I feel like that about a buddy cop movie. Like, I don't know if I can always define it, but you know it when you see it. Like planes, trains and automobiles, I wouldn't say so. But something like Midnight Run? Yeah, maybe I could see that.
Speaker: I have not actually seen Confession Time. I haven't actually seen Midnight Run yet. It was pretty good, man. I saw it for the first time the other day, so it's not like something that I grew up with either. They showed it at the retro, and and I went to see it.
Speaker: And then, of course, I have learned that there are three made-for-TV sequels, ah the first of which I own on on this little DVD pack, Another Midnight Run, and which is a that's a naming genre that I really like.
Speaker: Oh, the first movie was good? Let's just call it Another So-and-so. but So I like that. Wolf Cop did that as well. There was Wolf Cop and then there was another Wolf Cop. Yo, I've still never seen Wolf Cop. I need to see you would love. You will love Wolf Cop. i Real quick. like You mentioned the you mentioned retro. Can we let some of the the listeners who might not know what retro is? Absolutely.
Speaker: You can do it. You want to do it? Oh, fantastic. I would love to. Yeah. Give him plug. So retro, when we talk about retro, we are referring to the retro film series over at the Carolina Theater of Durham in Durham, North Carolina.
Speaker: It is what I would call a film mecca on most Friday evenings. They have retro double features, part of the retro film series. They also have a bunch of different features.
Speaker: ah festivals throughout the year where they'll show ah retro movies. There's splatter flicks in October, which has, as you can probably guess, horror movies.
Speaker: There's mystery realm, which has mystery films. There are a bunch of different ones. If you are at all interested in film and live in North Carolina's triangle area, i cannot recommend going to retro enough.
Speaker: And if you are not from North Carolina, Then if you're passing it through, but yeah move here. ah If you're passing through, it's worth going. It's even worth making a special trip to go to Carolina Theater.
Speaker: and my Yeah, dude. and And you and I actually met at the retro. And i've I've actually like a lot of my friends that are like my movie friends that I've met either at or through the retro. So, yeah, I totally agree. It's a great place to like gather and appreciate, um you know, classic films, cult films, things like that. I do wish they would go back to doing the action flick series again.
Speaker: I think they only did that once or twice, but you and I went and saw Kickboxer. That was fun. Yeah, man. love that movie. ah And another thing I mentioned earlier, once again, i probably throw out a lot of like North Carolina specific things and the and the audience.
Speaker: If you live here, you should check it out. And if not, you'll just be like, man, that sounds awesome. ah But I mentioned Acme Rewind earlier, which is a kind of ah video store in our in our local area. I guess technically that's a triad, not triangle thing.
Speaker: um Cool. ah So another thing that I wanted to say about, ah about buddy cop films, and I like this. So tonight's movie, as I already mentioned a couple times, we'll get to in a second, we're gonna be talking about 48 hours.
Speaker: I thought, Hey, if we're starting a buddy cop podcast, what better to do than talk about 48 hours ah for the first episode. And so the director of 48 hours was the famous Walter Hill.
Speaker: And as I was researching about, the movie, I found this little snippet of ah of a line he said that I thought was a pretty neat summation of of kind of what he thought and and kind of where the buddy cop thing would go. so And I just kind of start mid-sentence here. And he says, in fact, they're not buddies. He's talking about 48 Hours.
Speaker: In fact, they're not buddies. They don't like each other. i think what the imitators always tried to do was copy the structural foundation of 48 Hours, but fill it in with the more homogenized sensibility of Beverly Hills Cop.
Speaker: And I think that's pretty true, man, because like if you think about it, most of the buddy cop movies, even the ones where the cop like the characters don't really get along at first, ah they don't feel quite as venomous to each other as they do in 48 hours. it's It's more of a Beverly Hills cop vibe where they start off and they're like, who's this out of town cop who plays by his own rules? And by the end of it, they're like, oh, he's cool. He's my best friend.
Speaker: Yeah, i i totally agree with that assessment. And that was something that i that I was thinking about as I was revisiting 48 Hours because I hadn't seen it since or probably like high high school or something like that.
Speaker: But i was like, there's a lot of animosity between these characters, much more so than you see in a lot of the later buddy cop movies. Yeah, and I guess we'll probably talk about that in in just a moment. But so that actually does answer one more question that I was going to ask you before we get into tonight's feature.
Speaker: i was going ask you if this was, you know, how many times or, if you know, if this was by any chance your first watch of 48 hours, I assumed it wasn't. So you've seen it before. I have. This was one that I actually got on DVD. I think my uncle gave this to me for Christmas one year on DVD when I was in probably middle school or or high school. I don't exactly know what age. So it was one that I watched a lot growing up because i had the DVD and because I enjoyed it.
Speaker: Okay, cool. Yeah. So you're like me. I've seen this one a bunch of times to the point where as I was watching it for the podcast, I was like, man, it's pretty difficult to to really even think about what I want to say about this movie because it's just always sort of been with me. It's one of those things you just accept it like, oh, it's a part of creation. It's a part it's a part of the universe.
Speaker: So yeah, 48 hours. Well, with that being said, we're going to take just a little break and we're going to come back on the other end of this break and we're going to talk about 48 hours.
Speaker: We ain't partners, we ain't brothers, and we ain't friends. I'm putting you down and keeping you down until Gans is locked up or dead. And if Gans gets away, you're gonna be sorry you ever met me. I'm already sorry.
Speaker: Nick Nolte is a cop. Eddie Murphy is a con. I can help you get Gans, but you gotta get me outta here first. You're crazy. He pulls some strings. i See, ah you needed me a little more than you thought. I missed the case. He pulls some scams. So where do you wanna do it, honey?
Speaker: Wanna hop up on the counter? Nah, we can go in this room over here next to the bathroom. Come on, we're in the mood. Let's go. They've got two killers to track down. Toss me that piece and he won't waste it.
Speaker: thank They've got a kidnapping going down. I want the money. don't know what you're talking about. Let that Indian to snap her neck. They've got a fortune to hunt down. I want to know what's going on between you and Gans.
Speaker: Half a million dollars. And it's all coming down in 48 hours. but I gave you 48 hours to come up with something and the clock's running. This guy got a real itchy trigger finger and he's a nervous cop.
Speaker: You better listen to him because your brain's blown out. I'm the calm type.
Speaker: I'm looking for a good old boy by the name of Billy Bear. Never heard him. You heard of him now, man?
Speaker: You know, you are real stupid for a cop, man. You're following this guy too close. Yeah, well, most cops are pretty stupid, but since you landed in jail, what the hell does that make you? What's
Speaker: happening, Luther? I'm sorry about the door, man. Did that hurt? It looked real painful. You come clean and we're going again right here, right now.
Speaker: you in some hurry or something? Yes, I'm in a hurry. I haven't done anything for three years. Oh, you used to be a priest or something. Save my night.
Speaker: If you screw up, I can promise you, you're going down. They couldn't like each other less. They couldn't need each other more. You wanna bet? And if they can get off each other's case... Look at you. You got a $500 suit on. You're still a lowlife. Yeah, but I look good. They just might solve this one. Being a cop is a hard job, Jack.
Speaker: We ain't brothers, we ain't partners, and we ain't friends. Now, if Dan gets away with my money, you're gonna be sorry you ever met me. I'm already sorry. um 48 hours. Y'all be cool.
Speaker: shabi cool All right, so we're back, and we are talking about our feature presentation for the night, 48 Hours. This movie came out in, well, it was released on December the 8th, 1982.
Speaker: The director, as I mentioned earlier, is the famous Walter Hill. ah The score is by one of my favorites, and I think one of your favorites as well, Moe, James Horner. Yes, sir. We're definitely going to talk about that score. like Not to skip ahead, but I love this score.
Speaker: Yeah. um The writers on this movie were Roger Spottiswood, Stephen D'Souza, Larry Gross, Walter Hill. Producers, ah Joel Silver and Lawrence Gordon.
Speaker: And some of the stars, i don't know if I need to list all the stars, but obviously you get Nick Nolte, you get Eddie Murphy, and you get Annette O'Toole, who seemed to be sort of the top-billed stars. um But there's several others as well. Sonny Landem from ah Predator.
Speaker: Every time I see Sonny Landem, I just want him to go, we're all going to die. ah uh frank mccray who i'm sure we'll talk about in a little bit uh so yeah and i think mo you had um looked up some uh this was a big success at the box office but i think you you had some of those numbers right Yeah, so it had a budget of $12 million, according to IMDb, and according to Box Office Mojo, it made almost $79 million at the box office, which is just an incredible performance.
Speaker: ah One thing that I was intrigued by, Tomatoes scores 92% critic, 69 audience. Nice. Do you... sixty nine audience why do you yeah
Speaker: Why do you think it had such a discrepancy between the critic and audience rating? Tell me again, the critic score? i got so distracted by that audience score. 92%. ah ninety two percent Yeah, I don't know, man. It kind of surprises me once again.
Speaker: Like, I just think that, I say once again because I was thinking about something we said on Cellular Fiends, but like, I ah i ah tell you, like, it always surprises me for one thing when a critic likes a movie that I like, and and I do love this movie. So if anything, I kind of thought it would be the other way around. Like, I feel like they were trying to do something a little different um and and like audiences would have loved it, hence the big box office. Yeah.
Speaker: and then critics went. So I actually don't really know. I mean, maybe it's just like on the strength of somebody like a Walter Hill or somebody. I don't know. What do you think? You got thoughts on that? I was really intrigued by this. i' i was curious if the discrepancy was because at the time this came out, it was so influential and continues to be.
Speaker: And then maybe modern audiences are discovering this and then comparing it to some of the later buddy cop movies and didn't like it as much as like Beverly Hills Cop or or Bad Boys or different things like that.
Speaker: But i I'm not sure. But I was super intrigued by that because I would have also thought it would have been the other way around. That's kind of what I expected when I pulled up Rotten Tomatoes. And I was very pleasantly surprised to see that critic score.
Speaker: So that's interesting thought. like So you know more about Rotten Tomatoes than me. um like so that is So that's not necessarily like the people at the time. like That's a retrospective look back, right?
Speaker: Yeah. Exactly. The critics, it can be critic reviews from the time it came out, but it can also be new reviews. It can be pretty mixed. But then the other thing about Rotten Tomatoes scores is I had looked this up at one point, so this is at least how it worked at some point, but their algorithm, I think, tended to kind of bump things up a little bit ah because it wasn't good with if there was like a half star or something or or
Speaker: So you would end up, maybe something was rated like 3.5 stars and it would bump it to like a four. i think that was how it worked. So there was a little, there's a little bit of wiggle room there, but that was still a big gap with the 92 and 69.
Speaker: Yeah, so I guess the thing I was thinking is if it's like a retrospective, another thing that might bump down that audience um that audience score is that – I mean straight up, man, and we'll talk about this in a little bit, but then there's some things in this movie that are said and some points of views that are portrayed that ah I feel like might strike a modern audience like pretty uncomfortably.
Speaker: you know You know what I mean? So maybe that might drive it down a little bit too. Oh, for sure. And I'd forgotten a lot about a lot of those. A lot of that, a lot of those elements, because i think the last time I saw this was probably late high school or or early undergrad. Like it been a minute.
Speaker: Yeah. So upon revisiting, this was like, oh, there's a lot I forgot about. Okay, cool. like i um So I went, they showed it I can't even remember if I said this already in the episode, but they showed it at the retro very recently as a double feature with Midnight Run.
Speaker: And so I went, I mean, I've seen it a lot, but I hadn't seen it in several years, I guess. And so we went and saw that, we went and saw that double feature, which was awesome. And then I did watch it, I watched my, well, I say watched it on VHS, I watched my, I ripped it off my VHS a while back. So I watched the VHS version, ah you know, which is the way any movie should be watched ah for for this podcast.
Speaker: So I had revisited. Superior format. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. I believe that. Long live VHS. I, um by the way, also the listeners will just hear me talk a lot about VHS in this podcast. And that just is what it is. I love VHS.
Speaker: um And a lot of my guests will probably love VHS. Yeah. So, um yeah, 48 hours, man. ah let's ah I'm going to read the plot description from the back of the the DVD, which is the exact same as on my VHS.
Speaker: um But I don't know that it's a great description, so we might have to throw a little bit more in. So it says, ah Nick Nolte is a rough-edged cop after two vicious cop killers.
Speaker: He can't do it without the help of smooth and dapper Murphy. who is Eddie Murphy, who is serving time for a half million dollar robbery. This unlikely partnership trades laughs as often as punches as both pursue their separate goals.
Speaker: Nolte wants the villains. Murphy wants his money and some much needed female companionship. Watch for Murphy's hilarious scene in the redneck country Western bar. You'll want to see it again and again. i didn't realize that part was in the description.
Speaker: ah Yeah. So basically, and maybe you throw in some things if I miss anything out, but this movie is about, so we start off and we see a a prison break. Basically there, James Remar's character, which we find out his name is Ganz.
Speaker: um is working on like ah like a chain gang. And this guy comes and and fakes that his car is broke down. Well, it turns out that Sonny Landam, who plays Billy Bear, who's like his partner in crime, and they do this breakout where they they kill several cops and they get away Switch to Nick Nolte.
Speaker: He plays ah Jack Cates, who's kind of this hardscrabble cop. We find out a little bit about his life because we see him waking up with his girlfriend, and and they seem to have kind of a ah rocky relationship, and he just kind of he kind of seems to not have his...
Speaker: his act together maybe and one of your favorite lines that you had put in your show notes uh about the clean shirt and made me think about uh maybe maybe his life is uh he's not got his act together oh yeah elaine says you know if you let me come over to your place once in a while you could put on a clean shirt in the morning and jack says what makes you think i got any clean shirts in my place So he's he's that kind of guy. Maybe he doesn't have any clean shirts at all. And so anyways, they have a little bit of a fight. Then he leaves and he goes to this call that he hears about on the radio.
Speaker: Some of his cop buddies are there and and they think they're just going to to catch a guy who who stole a credit card and checked out a hotel room to get with some ladies. Well, it turns out that that that card has somehow ended up in the hands of our main bad guys who are up there with these these ladies and they it turns into a shootout and these two cops get killed and Gann steals Jack Cates his gun and gets away so Jack Cates is mad they got his gun they killed some cops on his watch and he he needs to go find them so he tracks down some of their known associates and he comes across Reggie Hammond played by Eddie Murphy who's in jail ah for a crime and he goes and gets Eddie Murphy out he's got
Speaker: 48 hours ah with Eddie Murphy to try to track them down. and So Eddie Murphy has his own um his own reasons for wanting to get out. One, he just wants to get out. Like I said, in the plot description, he's trying to find some female companionship.
Speaker: But also we find out that that what happened was there was this kind of gang and they stuck up a drug dealer and they stole his money and hid it away. And so Gans has busted out because he wants to get to that that money.
Speaker: And Eddie Murphy wants to make sure to get that money before Gans can get away with it. And so, you know, i would say hilarity ensues, but most of this movie, like cop stuff ensues, like they're chasing crimes. There's a lot of violence. There's a lot of like ah rough around the edges stuff, but also some funny interactions ah while they try to stop Gans and Billy Bear from their crime spree. And they try to get the money and and find the bad guys.
Speaker: Yeah, I was kind of surprised upon rewatching this. Probably because a lot of the buddy cop movies that I've seen more recently did have a lot of comedy. i feel like there are so there are some laughs for sure, but it was it was more like gritty and and action oriented than I think I was expecting.
Speaker: Yeah, I think from reading through some of the interviews and things with people like ah Walter Hill and Larry Gross, who actually is's kind of interesting. If you look it up, Larry Gross, one of the writers, ah kept a ah diary, during like ah like a film diary during his time on 48 Hours. And you can find that if you if you Google it and look it up.
Speaker: ah So you can kind of read his thoughts as they were making the movie, which pretty neat. But it seems like... um I guess they always sort of thought that it was going to be funny because as we talked, to as we're going to talk about um probably eventually, like they considered people like Richard Pryor for the role, but, it but it seems like they weren't really sure what they were going to do. It seems like they were making this action movie at first. Apparently it was, ah it was took place in Louisiana and it was about these convicts like kidnapping the governor's daughter and duct taping dynamite to her head. And they were going to blow her up in 48 hours if they didn't get out.
Speaker: ah But, but I don't know if they really knew, that they were making a comedy or or an action movie. It seems like it kind of maybe started off being more action oriented then eventually the the comedy started creeping in.
Speaker: I would not be surprised if that were the case. And one piece of trivia that I read on IMDB was that Paramount Pictures Studio execs were worried about the movie being too violent and that it wouldn't work as a comedy. And it was particularly that hotel lobby shootout that you mentioned earlier.
Speaker: Yeah. That gave them concerns. It's rough, man. Like there's a lot of violence going on in that, like a lot of shooting and I'm, you know, it's, it's rough scene. yeah it it's rough and even kind of the the dynamic between kate's and hammond is is pretty rough for a lot of the film ah they're trading ah kind of verbal blows throughout a lot of the movie.
Speaker: And then there's even like a fight scene that they have in an alleyway, which as I was watching that, I started cracking up and I wrote down. This is almost as long as the alley fight scene in they live.
Speaker: OK, that's a movie. Man, you're already like I'm already like on the spot here. I've never seen they live. That's crazy, right? That's crazy. I know it is. I think you will really love they live.
Speaker: Yeah, man. I'm sure I will. Like I love Rowdy, Rowdy Piper and I love John Carpenter. i i honestly, I don't know. I don't know why I've never seen it. I feel like it's just been on my list forever. And there's like, i have more than one person who's like, Oh, we got to watch that movie. So now I'm like, who do I watch it with?
Speaker: Or do I one day just sneak it on my own and just tell people, Oh, I saw it and I loved it. I don't know. Uh, but I've never actually seen that movie. Um, But yeah, I think that it's ah i think it's a lot grittier than like, you know, once again, like we were saying earlier, when I think about buddy cop movies, like first thing comes to mind is Beverly Hills Cop or even like Lethal Weapon, which there's a lot of rough stuff in Lethal Weapon as well.
Speaker: this movie just somehow has like a like a venom to it that those don't have, like just a ah kind of a darker edge than those do. I agree because I think in in some of those cases, yeah, there's some dark moments and lethal weapon for sure, but I think they're offset by a lot of the over-the-top moments. So I think there was yeah there's definitely like a balance there. And I feel like 48 Hours kind of means more biting and acerbic with some of its content.
Speaker: yeah I think acerbic is a good description. um and so, you you know, the reason why i chose 48 hours for the first episode of this podcast is because, uh, it's usually sort of considered like a lot of people would say this is the first, uh, buddy cop movie.
Speaker: Um, but I think in reality, it's safer to say it's sort of the father of the genre. Um, There are people point to earlier films, um things like Freebie and the Bean and things like that that came earlier that that that you could possibly consider buddy cop films as well.
Speaker: But this is the one that sort of that sort of kicked off the buddy cop. trend that had people kind of copying it and and they saw this movie was a big success at the box office and so they start kind of copying it i told you before we got on that i think it's like you can think about this sort of like ah halloween it was for slasher films like there were slasher films before halloween there was black christmas there was texas chainsaw you could even say psycho uh but after halloween it was off to the races with slashers and i think 48 hours is that for buddy cop movies Yeah, it may not have been the first Buddy Cop movie, but i think it's the probably the best known early one, and it really popularized the genre. It kind of showed studios that this kind of film could be really successful. I mean, it did it had a budget of $12 million, and it made...
Speaker: so almost 79 million at the box office that's a that's a pretty good ah roi that's 19 and two dollars yeah i know hey and just that for inflation that's a that's a lot of cash uh but then if you look at after that like the 80s and and 90s uh like especially early and mid 90s had a lot of these buddy cop movies like beverly hills cop what came two years later yeah uh and then that uh franchise lasted for four films.
Speaker: I think it really showed that, I think 48 hours really showed that Eddie Murphy could headline a buddy cop movie. Well, that's, that kind of brings me to another one of the want to talk about, which is that like this movie is the breakout role for, I mean, I guess I'll just go say that the person that I usually say is, is the greatest comedic actor possibly of all time.
Speaker: i mean, in my opinion, I, I just think, especially early career Eddie Murphy, but straight up, I love the new Beverly Hills Cop as well. So maybe, maybe late career Eddie Murphy as well. Maybe we just have to kind of dodge that mid career Eddie Murphy, but like, I just think he was one of the ah great comedic actors of all time. And this is his breakout role.
Speaker: This is debut film role. or Are you saying you did not enjoy the adventures of Pluto Nash? You know, I took a girl to see the adventures of the universe date. That relationship did not pan out. ah like Which was a better decision?
Speaker: That or watching Rising Shun, another wonderful buddy cop movie with with your with your parents. Yeah, ah all around not great decisions.
Speaker: All around not great decisions, man. Yeah. ah who Rising Sun, I forgot about that. That was an awkward, we had to turn it off eventually. My parents were not digging that.
Speaker: uh yeah dude no i'm not the biggest pluto nash fan hey maybe it's time for me to to revisit it uh i just want the best for eddie murphy and i'm so glad he's back but i just think he's one of the the greats of all time man he was in so many movies that i just love uh beverly hills cop as we've said before like it's a movie that's really important to me and i know it is to you as well uh perfect score and not to just like get off on a beverly hills cop tangent was so good but like I just love like trading places. I watched that again the other day and coming to America and and just, I even love the golden child.
Speaker: Like a lot of people don't love the gold. John, I love the golden child. Have you seen that one? I have not, but I thought about picking it up because ah vinegar syndrome, a boutique Blu-ray distributor that I know we both love dearly.
Speaker: love vinegar. Very, I think put it out on 4k dude. Yeah. I think you're right, man. i I might need to pick that up. I really liked that movie. I feel like it sort of doesn't get its due.
Speaker: but this and And I don't know if you saw the SNL 50th anniversary special, but and Eddie Murphy was on there and he was on a skit, Black Jeopardy, and he was impersonating Tracy Morgan like' Tracy Morgan right next to him. okay Like actual Tracy Morgan. And was in tears laughing so hard. I think people forget how...
Speaker: talented Eddie Murphy is in general, but especially at impersonations. Yeah, man, he he's just so funny. I just really love Eddie Murphy. And he's coming off of ah he's coming off of SNL to do this movie. So like he kind of made a big smash in sort of the early days of SNL. And he comes off of SNL to do to do this film, his first film.
Speaker: and What did you think about this as his debut theatrical role? Like, how do you feel like he did? I feel like knocked it out of the park, man. I mean, I feel like, I mean, you know, he, he definitely that comes into his own a little bit more like, uh, trading trading places comes out the next year. And like, I do think he's funnier in trading places. I think he'd kind of found his footing a little bit, but like,
Speaker: Coming straight out the gate and and it with a performance like reg Reggie Hammond in this movie, like he's he's hilarious in this, but he's also ah just a good actor in this. like He handles the he handles kind of the the racial tensions. He handles the action scenes.
Speaker: And I think that kind of like is one of the things that sort of would set Eddie Murphy apart in his early career is things like that. He can handle the action scenes and things like that as well. Yeah, I totally agree. I knocked it out of the park was the exact turn of phrase that I was thinking while watching this.
Speaker: He just nailed it. And to put some perspective into how quickly he transitioned from SNL to 48 hours, he apparently didn't start working on the movie until a few days into principal photography because he was finishing up season seven of SNL.
Speaker: Yeah, I had read that. Like, apparently it was like, I know, I don't want to say the wrong number. like two weeks or something. He came two weeks late into the film and and like they didn't really get to do a lot of rehearsals or anything. He just kind of had to jump in. And I mean, he absolutely killed it in this role on very short notice.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's awesome, man. I think it's great. Another thing that I was reading a lot about this is that apparently they had a lot of problems um from the studio, like reading the script. The studio was reading over the script and thought that it that it wasn't funny enough, like the the movie wasn't going to be funny enough.
Speaker: And one thing that I had read that some of the the writers and filmmakers were saying is that that just kind of demonstrates that what Eddie Murphy was bringing to this film was wasn't necessarily evident from the words on paper. Like it was Eddie Murphy, the script, the studio is reading it and they're like, this is not funny enough.
Speaker: But then you see what Eddie Murphy brings to that character. And it like, it makes it a whole different thing. It puts it in a whole other level. And this, I know, comes as no surprise to you. you probably thought this while watching it because it's true of a lot of Eddie Murphy films, but he improvised a lot of the script. I think a lot a lot of the dialogue between Cates and Hammond was improvised.
Speaker: Yeah, man, he's he's just the best he's just a ah rare talent. I just really think that Eddie Murphy's great. ah You know, what's what's funny about this is that ah apparently at first they were... um You know, they were hesitant. The studio was hesitant to cast um to cast Eddie Murphy. And it also even seems like, it's crazy for us to think about now, but it also even seems to think like maybe um like maybe there was some pushback at different times about even about casting a black actor um in in one of these big roles like this.
Speaker: But the person who kind of like they they considered first was Richard Pryor. You know, and and I'd written down on my paper the Richard Pryor effect, ah my own term, but I just feel like, you know,
Speaker: ah Richard Pryor becoming such a big breakout comedy star um kind of paved the way for for roles like this. And so when they were kind of first thinking about this movie, they had a Richard Pryor type in mind. But by the time they ever made this movie, which, like many others, you know, kind of sat in development hell for many years, um they they considered Richard Pryor too big of a star by this point to to get for the role.
Speaker: I really wonder what this movie would have been like with Richard Pryor. I think Eddie Murphy is unquestionably the yeah man perfect fit to bring Reggie Hammond to life. But I was kind of reading over some of the other casting choices and wondering like if Richard Pryor had gotten this role, do you think it would have leaned more comedy?
Speaker: Almost certainly. I mean, almost certainly. Right. I love Richard Pryor, but like if I think about all the the Richard Pryor movies that I like, like the first one I think about is always Brewster's Millions. But I think there's a lot of other ones ah you can think of. But, you know, he just ah is he going to do the action the same way that that Eddie Murphy does? I don't know.
Speaker: Like, I don't know about that. The one that I was thinking about was Superman. i thought that was it was like it was it was a part four. think it's part three. I think he's in part three. I'm wrong about that. I think he's part three. But that was the one that I was thinking of because it's taking this genre action and then yeah Richard Pryor was just super slapstick in that. And so I feel like this would have been a very kind of over the top, a much sillier film. I don't think it would have been kind of the more subdued comedy that we ended up getting with Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte headlining.
Speaker: Now, another person that apparently they considered was Gregory Hines. um And so if you want to see what that might have been like, um you know, you can look at running scared a little while later, which we'll get to on this podcast for sure. And and Gregory Hines winds up in running scared.
Speaker: So so that would have been an interesting pick as well. But but definitely they land on the right. They definitely land on the right guy with Eddie Murphy, in my opinion. I 100 percent agree.
Speaker: And it launches him into the stratosphere. I mean, at this point, Eddie Murphy becomes just like one of the hugest stars of the 80s. And thank goodness, because like i said, one of my all time favorite actors. um So, you know, another thing to well, really the thing about this movie. Right.
Speaker: And what kind of once again sets the template for these type of movies going forward is that as much as it is a movie with a plot and a plot that I find very, you know, very interesting, sort of a. I guess, ah well, I don't even know if you would say run-of-the-mill crime movie because there are some elements that are sort of run-of-the-mill, but really like the the concept of getting the prisoner out on a 48-hour release to help out the cop, I don't know. that That's not exactly all that run-of-the-mill, but the main thing that this movie relies on ah is the interaction between the two characters. Without the interaction between...
Speaker: Nick Nolte as Jack Cates and Eddie Murphy as Reggie Hammond. Like this movie is not the same. And as you know, it's the main push of this film. So so what what do we think?
Speaker: What are your initial thoughts on the interactions? You know, just the interplay between these two characters? It was really unique because there's there's so much animosity between them throughout the whole film.
Speaker: Nolte's character, Cates, is just putting Reggie down the whole time. But still, there's this chemistry between the two characters. And I think a lot of that was probably...
Speaker: the behind the scenes chemistry between the actors with a lot of this, like, and it manifests through this kind of quick witted retorts and this fast paced dialogue.
Speaker: So kind of underneath the veneer of, of animosity between the characters, they, they work so well together. Yeah, I think so too. And like, I don't think the movie could be the same without just this, like,
Speaker: bitter vitriol. Like, I thought both actors did good. I keep talking a lot about Eddie Murphy because I'm such a big fan, but I think Nick Nolte also great in this movie. And, like, I just find, like, their disdain for each other very believable.
Speaker: Like, they they do a very good job, especially that scene when Nick Nolte first comes in. and like, I always love that scene. I think about, um whenever I talk about this movie, one of the first things that happens is just by instinct, I go, Roxanne!
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: ah So like he comes into the the jail and he's trying to find Reggie Hammond and like immediately Reggie Hammond is like, what do you want cop? You know, and they just have this like real animosity for each other. They kind of know that they need each other, but they just do not like each other. I find it um really interesting.
Speaker: we've said this before it was a little shocking because other body cop movies are a little like for example let's just address the elephant in the room mo you and i watched collision course a little while back and while jay leno and pat marita are giving each other the business it's just never as as as mean as as uh jack cates and reggie hammond it is not and i think a lot of that comes down to jay leno's acting chops were subpar at best Hey, man, you watch what you say about Jay Leno.
Speaker: ah no i ah No, but so I think they did great. Now, my my next thing to say about this is what do we think about Nick Nolte's character? And I have some things to say, but I just like I don't want to I don't drop that bomb on you. But what what do you think about Jack Cates?
Speaker: the Nick Nolte it just is so chiseled at playing these really scuzzy characters and these like sleazeball characters so like when we meet Kate's one of the first things he does is pour some kind of liquor into his coffee mug.
Speaker: And he's doing that through throughout the whole movie. Like even he's at the station. He's just like taking swigs out of his, out of his flask. And I feel like the Nick Nolte just was born to play those really disheveled sleazeball roles. And I think he, he did a ah great job at kind of embodying that element of his character.
Speaker: I'm afraid to look it up because I know it's going to be like, I'm going look it up. It's going to be like Nick Nolte was 34 years old when he made this movie. But like in my mind, looks like he's what was due to like, he could be 34. He could be 50.
Speaker: I don't know how old he is, but he definitely does a great job at like the whole like disheveled. Like you said, like drinking in the morning cop. Um, you know, the other thing about this is like, um,
Speaker: He's got that real gravelly voice and everything. But the other thing about this is i was I was interested because, once again, one of the things I was reading, and I can't remember now what it was, said that Nolte apparently was like kind of hesitant to to do this role. like he um He didn't really love how...
Speaker: violent and mean and aggressive and even like bigoted he had to be to play this role. And so he he was kind of hesitant to do it. um And as much as like, you know, and this is the next thing I was going to talk about, but like the kind of bigoted moments are are really uncomfortable.
Speaker: ah He Nick Nolte does a really good job of making me believe the character of Jack Cates as like a real character.
Speaker: Yeah, I agree with that. And who I 100% on that statement there, lot of the dialogue that Kate's says is is is tough to hear. Man, straight up, like, ah you know, if you ever go back and watch old movies from like the 80s, there's a lot of times where I'm thinking like, whoa, they could drop some real ah they could drop some real bombs back then that you wouldn't hear in movies anymore. like But even not necessarily back to the 80s, I went back and watched old school recently. And there was a few lines where I was like, whoa, it just felt really weird.
Speaker: um ah Old school, like the ah the the comedy movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I revisited it for the first time. in launch I used to love that movie and still do. i'll see that one in a minute ah well but yeah there's there's a lot of there's a lot more racism in the in the script especially kate's his dialogue towards hammond the i didn't remember a lot of that uh and i found it i found it difficult very difficult yeah for sure watch
Speaker: I mean, there's there's the hard R's for one thing, but then also, like, there's just some other slurs about various other things where you're just like, man, that's it's rough to watch. But it does add... I do think it does add something to to the nature of their...
Speaker: dislike for one another. um You know, you just like, I feel like in the long run, it's uncomfortable to hear, but like you, it does help you believe like these two dudes do not like each other and it helps you to feel that way.
Speaker: Yeah. It felt very believable. Yeah. And I do like, um so we we had talked about this a little before. And so one thing you had pointed out is there there is a line that I really liked, because I do think you were asking me before we started recording, like, you know, to what degree do I think this movie was supposed to take on like racial tensions um of the day?
Speaker: And, you know, I don't know that that's like what Walter Hill or anybody else would say they set out to do, but I definitely think it was intentional to like, they definitely play into racial tensions.
Speaker: You know, you you can feel what race relations might've been like in a time before either you or I were born by watching this movie. So i do think they were definitely trying to address that. and And what I was getting at was you had mentioned the line where when they kind of start to make up with one another at the end and kind of start to respect each other, um you know, Nick Nolte says, you know, um um I'm not gonna say the words, but he's like, I'm sorry about all that stuff I said.
Speaker: And ah Eddie Murphy says something like, you know well – oh, Nick Nolte says, you know I'm sorry about all that stuff I said. I was just doing my job. And Eddie Murphy says, well, doing your job doesn't doesn't take care of all that. the Yeah, because throughout the movie, I was like, lot of this is really uncomfortable.
Speaker: and And then that scene happened, and it kind of made me wonder if this was trying to to make ah to make like a point. I still i still feel like, I agree with what you said about it kind of makes you really feel like these characters hate each other.
Speaker: But one of the things I was wondering is, I feel like there were ways you could have established that animosity without all of the racism. Yeah. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I mean, definitely if we, if you make this movie today, there's ways you can do that. You know what i mean? Without, without some of that stuff for sure.
Speaker: it's really uncomfortable to watch it. And like I had forgotten about that. Um, but, uh, So, yeah, in no way am I saying like, oh, I'm glad they had that. but You know what I mean? But I just I just kind of thought that that interplay between the two characters is is definitely worth exploring.
Speaker: One thing that I did before we move on from this that I did want to note was that one of the quotes I read in this Walter Hill interview, which I'm referencing Walter Hill enough to where I should say. lot of this is coming from an interview that Walter Hill did with John Zelazny called Walter Hill Last Man Standing. But one thing he said was he was talking about how really, even though it's like ah a gritty game and a mean spirited game, he said that in his mind, these two characters are playing a game with each other and they know they're kind of playing each other.
Speaker: And so his quote was, I don't think Nolte's character is really a racist. So at least in Walter Hill's impression, like he was doing all that, like Nick Nolte's character was just doing all that to kind of,
Speaker: kind of keep Reggie in check. Uh, but he definitely goes too far. And that's why I liked that line where Reggie says, you know, just, ah just doing your job doesn't cover all that because it's sort of like, he tells him like, Hey Jack, in my mind, he was telling him like, Hey Jack, you know, I get it, but you know, you need to work on that.
Speaker: It's kind of how I read that line. That, that was my interpretation as well, which I thought was pretty cool. So, um, so yeah, I think that that, um, What I was going to say, though, that I do really like is I do really appreciate um as the film goes along and the two, their relationship starts to improve.
Speaker: And, you know, for me, and I think it's pretty obvious, it's not like I'm discovering some deep truth, that that moment happens when... um after probably my favorite scene, and we can talk about this later, but is this long, like kind of chase scene where the character of Luther is got the money and they're trying to trail the money so they can find Gans. And then everything goes awfully wrong and they all break up and split up. And, and in the chaos, um,
Speaker: Eddie Murphy's character kind of gets away ah and he could just split. But instead, he he calls Nick Nolte and is like, hey, here's where I am. You know, you can come you can come get me.
Speaker: And I think Nick Nolte like really seems to appreciate that. Like it kind of is a way of like find out that Reggie Hammond is sort of an honorable guy and didn't want to get him in trouble, even though he could have jumped his sentence early and took off.
Speaker: Yeah, I really liked that part ah because there was there was a scene earlier in the film. It was when they go to the the the redneck bar.
Speaker: and think it was like Torchy's or something like that. And I feel like that is kind of when Kate starts to respect Reggie. That's interesting.
Speaker: I, I kind of thought he, maybe a little, but I think after that, in my, after that, he still seemed kind of like, cause they have their fight after that, right? Like their big fist fight, I think.
Speaker: So I think he was still kind of trying to keep him in check, but I think that was the moment he started to kind of respect him. I don't think it was like full on respect, but I think that was like a, a turning point in, in his, in their relationship.
Speaker: Yeah, I can see that. I can see that for sure. but but I do have a question for you here. Can we can we talk about the sequel very briefly? Yeah, I'm probably going to do an episode about the s sequel eventually, but we can we can intro it a little bit. Sure.
Speaker: Time out. All right. So it's your buddy Wes here. We're about to drop a major spoiler for another 48 hours, which is the sequel to the film we're talking about on this episode.
Speaker: ah It's been out for a really long time, so there's a good chance you don't care about that. But I'm probably going to do an episode about another 48 hours at some time in the future. So just thought I would drop in and let you know there's pretty major spoiler coming up for that film.
Speaker: So you have that knowledge now. It's in your hands. If you need to skip ahead just a couple minutes, it's not very long, just a couple minutes in this podcast. ah Great. If not, keep going. All right. Great.
Speaker: Time in. Okay, because here's here's my question. So there's a there's kind of a just a side character in 48 hours. Kehoe. Yeah. yep And the the scene you were talking about where where Reggie calls the the police station.
Speaker: and leaves the message so kiho gets the uh the message and then he doesn't give it to to kate's right away ah in the sequel in another 48 hours kiho is he's the big bad he's the the primary villain and what i was curious about upon re-watching this was that story arc for that character do you think that was planned from the get-go or do you think that was like a retcon and they came up with that as a twist for the sequel i got no clue man uh I mean, surely they didn't already have that planned out. Surely they didn't that far in advance. But it is kind of interesting to me that that the character of Kehoe comes back to be so important in the sequel.
Speaker: I remember thinking that at the time, the first time I saw another 48 hours was way after I'd already seen 48 hours. And I remember thinking like, oh, OK, cool. um So I don't know if it's a retrofit. It's a really good one.
Speaker: I thought it thought it was a retrofit, but it was just something I was curious about as we were as like I was watching 48 hours and just kind of wondering, was that planned? or I don't think it was, but it was it was something i that piqued my curiosity.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't even know. It's pretty interesting. But like um the thing I was going say about about Nolte and Eddie Murphy's character's relationship before we move off of that was just, you know, then at the very end, after they kind of make up for it, I love the part when they take up for each other in front of the in front of the shouting ah police lieutenant played by Frank McRae, who I really love in that role.
Speaker: probably because of how much I love him in last action hero, but he's like shouting and screaming. And is he the best? Is he the best to ever do that role? Like that kind of role? He is right. I think he is. And but if think it was at least like three or four times that kind of, he played that character. Yeah.
Speaker: I love that. i well I want, I want him. wanted to, I want to see him in every movie is like a police captain shouting at the, the renegade cop who plays by his own rules. He does it so well. I love in last action hero when he does it so hard, it breaks the glass on his office and everything.
Speaker: it was the best, but they, they start taking up for each other, you know, and Nick Nolte eventually says like this guy, he's, he's got more heart than anybody I've known. And he's got more courage than any partner I've ever had or something like that, which kind of flies back in the face of, you know, the, the, the classic line, we ain't brothers, we ain't partners and we ain't friends.
Speaker: Uh, You know, so I just really like that. So I think the thing I was going say about that was Walter Hill has said that he thinks the term buddy cop is a misnomer, at least when applied to 48 hours, because they they're not buddies. They don't like each other. But I think it's safe to say by the end they are buddies.
Speaker: I think it's safe to say, in my opinion. Yeah, I think that's the trajectory of the film. They start out with with so much. animosity towards one another. And then by the end of the film, there is this kind of mutual respect and they are buddies.
Speaker: And I think it all comes, but I really do think it all comes down to that lot, that scene where Eddie Murphy could have done anything, but he he calls Jack and he's like, Hey, I'm here, come get me. going to run off on you. And think that, you know, you can see that means a lot to the Jack Cates character. Cause he, he seems like a guy who has a hard time trusting really anybody.
Speaker: And so I think that's the kind of thing that is impactful to him. And then Kate's kind of tries to reciprocate. And then he lets, uh, he lets Reggie drive to his, uh, back his car back to, uh, jail.
Speaker: And he, he lets, he lets him have a, an adventure with his, his lady friend. was on a little adventure. Yeah. Yeah. And he ah he even, uh, he lets him keep his, uh, ill gotten gains. Like he even tells him like, you can keep this money. And Eddie Murphy's like, you don't want any of it. and He's like, that's not my style.
Speaker: I thought that was cool. He's not a crooked cop. He's kind of a dirt bag in a lot of ways. You know, took my girlfriend to see this movie and she's like, I hate that guy. but ah yeah But, you know, like ah but at the same time, like, you know, he's at least not a crooked cop.
Speaker: ah So my next question is, what what do we think of the bad guys in this movie? what do we think of James Remar and Sonny Landem as as Gans and Billy Bear? i I thought they had I thought they had some good chemistry.
Speaker: They're they're both pretty.
Speaker: Sadistic. I love the opening scene when.
Speaker: Sunny actually. ah Billy Bear, when he breaks Gans out. ah with Because Billy Bear drives up in this pickup truck and there's the the chain gang.
Speaker: Although they none of them are actually chained up, ah which had me curious. It was like, was that minute was Gans in minimum security? i don't know. He's only on like a five year stint or something like that, they say at some point.
Speaker: but ah But Billy Bear drives up and so Gan starts taunting him and then they fight, but it's it's a fight. They're actually kind of rolling around in the mud, but it's staged so that Billy Bear can then shoot one of the cops watching over the prisoners and busts Gan out.
Speaker: And then and then there were some really interesting parts there, like at the end in the third act when her Billy Bear and Gans are trying to get the money from Luther.
Speaker: Billy Bear pulls up driving a bus. Where did they get a bus? Yeah. I mean, you got to assume they killed somebody. These dudes were killing everybody. That's what struck me is that you said they were sadistic. These dudes are really sadistic.
Speaker: They are killing everybody. And it surprises me because Gans, like I said, maybe I'm getting this wrong, but at the first time, I'm pretty sure they say he's on like a five year sentence. He's serving five years.
Speaker: maybe Maybe they say he has got five more years, but I think they said he has a five-year sentence. And I was like, dude, a five-year sentence? I mean, he's got to bust out because he wants to get this money before Reggie can get out and get away with it. It's a half a million dollars, which, you know, an 1982 money.
Speaker: He wants that money, so he busts out to get it. But, I mean, he busts out of prison. He's killing cops. They kill that guy who we find out later was actually one of their associates in the gang that they leave dead on the park bench. and we Yeah, on the park bench.
Speaker: Yeah. Do what now? I said on the park bench. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy. Then we find out real briefly that he was like the fourth or fifth, I guess, member of their old gang. um But they're just killing everybody. And I just was really struck by how evil these bad guys were.
Speaker: Yeah, and ah one thing I really liked was the juxtaposition of how evil Billy Bear and Gans are. And then Gans is watching cartoons in a lot of scenes, and I thought that was kind of a neat dynamic there and contrast that was they were set up in a number of shots.
Speaker: That's sort of a thing, right? Isn't there a bad guy watching cartoons and stuff like Speed and movies like that as well, or am I making that up? I think probably it's a good, it's a really effective foil there. Something yeah that's kind of really innocent and then something that's really sadistic.
Speaker: Yeah, I think so too. I just, I don't know. i was just, i I would say a lot about that. I think both those actors are are cool. I mean, Sonny Landon, I mostly only know from, from this and Predator. um Apparently he like tried to run for like mayor of some town or something at some point.
Speaker: And then James Remar obviously has been in everything and he's, he's great. um And then my next question, again, we don't have to spend a long time on this because the movie certainly doesn't, but what do we think of the love angle?
Speaker: So I was really intrigued by Kate's love interest, Elaine. yeah And supposedly she was actually in the movie a lot more. i kind of would have been interested to see that relationship explored because the film kind of teases that in a number of scenes, and not just at the beginning, but also they have a conversation On the phone towards the end of the film when Elena's at she's working, she's at a bar and it just it seemed like there was more to Kate's and Elaine's relationship that.
Speaker: I think would have been kind of interesting to see. I think it would have padded the runtime, which I'd have been OK with. And then so I I liked that. I felt felt like it was a little underdeveloped for for well what I would have preferred to see.
Speaker: And then so at the end of the movie, Reggie meets Candy at a bar. ah yeah. It's your name.
Speaker: Yeah. And and he takes her to like the motel across the street. I can't remember. She was not in the sequel, was she? Man, I don't remember. I spent a long time since I've seen the sequel. My thought was if if memory serves, Eddie Murphy's still in prison in the sequel. So I guess he did. I guess that whole I'll be back in six months thing didn't pan out.
Speaker: No, it didn't. And I was trying to I was trying to remember, like, what happened? I don't remember. ah don't remember. i need to rewatch the sequel for sure. a lot of people hate the sequel. I remember thinking it was kind of fun.
Speaker: um But yeah, I don't really remember. my My thing about the love angle was funny. So like, I do agree with you that it was a little, oh, first off, I should just say this. ah The runtime of this movie, 90 minutes is perfect runtime for a movie. And I stand on that.
Speaker: I stand on that. 90 minutes, that's perfect. What's up, Sebastian? ah That's a perfect runtime. um Mo, you still there? Yeah, i'm I'm still here.
Speaker: Okay, cool. i heard I heard Sebastian going off. All right, cool. so But I was going to say the the love angle for me, a little underdeveloped as well. So apparently the story there is that Walter Hill didn't really get it.
Speaker: he was He kind of didn't think it added much to the film. And Larry Gross, like really ah that one of the writers, really championed that character and wanted to expand that character and do more with her. And so I think what we end up with there is like somewhere in the middle. That's not really satisfying either way. Like Walter Hill kind of wanted to dial it back and Larry gross wanted to amp it up, but his thought was, and I'm i'm specifically talking about Elaine, Jack Cates is his girlfriend there.
Speaker: apparently, according to Larry Gross, he thought it was important ah because he said that the lack of, basically, in his words, these guys haven't been laid in a while, and they're, even though clearly Jack Cates is with his girl the first, but he's like, you know, their rockiness of their relationship is is adding to the tension in their dynamic, and so that's why he thought it was important, Larry Gross.
Speaker: ah i Like said, I don't know about that because Cates appears to have just been with her the night before the whole thing starts. Yeah, that that part, I don't quite understand, but I do think it would have been interesting that to see their case and Elaine's relationship explored a little bit more.
Speaker: What I find so funny about it is, do you remember the last thing that Elaine says in this film? I do not. She says, you. And hangs up. That's the last we see of her is they're having this fight when she's at work and he put, Kate's puts her on hold because Reggie calls him from the bar telling him where to come.
Speaker: And he almost leaves. And Kehoe is like, Hey, your girl's on the other line. And he goes back and picks it up. And she's just like, f you. It hangs up. And that's the last we get. We get no resolution in that relationship. And I thought that was really funny.
Speaker: To me, that's that's where that love angle ended out there. So I think mostly it does serve to kind of give us this this side of of Jack Cates outside the job, I guess.
Speaker: And then I haven't seen the sequel in a while either, but I don't remember her being in the sequel. So I wonder I wonder if that was the last time that Cates heard from her or saw her. i don't remember. He's got to butter her up a little bit if he wants her to still be around in the sequel, which came out like, what, eight years later? so i did I did read.
Speaker: So the last thing she says is FU. The F word is used 48 times in various forms during the course of the film, according to IMDb. And that appears to be coincidental. It is not because of the title.
Speaker: Well, I just wanted to use this. It's not actually a joke. just wanted to throw that in. was trying to look for place. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Just ah a strange coincidence there. They definitely say it a lot. I didn't count, but they definitely say it a lot.
Speaker: um So kind of last thing I want to say before we move on to a few other things is is what are some of your favorite scenes from 48 Hours? I thought the scene of the redneck bar was phenomenal.
Speaker: I think that was just like a really kind of quintessential Eddie Murphy scene.
Speaker: where he's just improvising. He's getting to kind of do some different voices. he has some really kind of witty lines in there, such as he's, he's patting down this redneck guy and he pulls him lot of money out of the pocket and he says, man, you're loaded here.
Speaker: What the fuck's this? And the redneck says tax refund. And Reggie says, bullshit. You're too fucking stupid to have a job. yeah and and just the way that he commands that scene and he when he does he's a he's a convict and in that scene he's like pretending to be a cop and everyone in the bar buys it Yeah, it's the kind of the classic scene, I think, from this movie.
Speaker: And to me, that is above all other places in this movie where you see the Eddie Murphy that he becomes in later films. That's Eddie Murphy kind of trotting out the same chops he's going to do over and over again in a movie like Beverly Hills Cop.
Speaker: You know what I mean? like That's Eddie Murphy. It was... quintessential Eddie Murphy. also, I really liked, there was like a kind of a car chase scene in the, in the third act where they're tailing. i think they were tailing Luther and I liked that because it was just kind of this really, it was just like a very quintessential kind of car chase scene.
Speaker: i loved the finale that was in Chinatown because just the lighting the I don't know if they shot it on location somewhere the sets, but there are just some really cool visuals in that scene.
Speaker: Yo, man, yeah you can tell that we've been good friends for a while because basically what you're saying is all the things I was going to say about my favorite scenes. So like, yeah, definitely the bar scene is cool. It's really funny. I think that's the classic. But what I was going say, my favorite scene is for sure the one you're talking about, like the chase scene where they're they're tailing Luther like they Luther goes to get. But we haven't mentioned Luther, but I guess people have seen the movie. They know that Luther is another member of the gang and he's the one who knows he's the other one besides Reggie. He knows where the money is.
Speaker: uh gans doesn't know so luther has to go get the the money that they're looking for um because gans kidnaps his girlfriend because once again gans is evil and so luther goes to get that money and they they tail him to try to find gans and the whole time they're telling them they're in this car the cars chase is going on the music is and is incredible to me i love that music we'll talk about that in just a second but uh the i like the fact that even during the chase scene it's like tense they're trying to do the action stuff but even then they keep flicking back and forth the shots of reggie and and kate's like giving each other a hard time about stuff like making fun of each other and so they were still using it to develop character and then you get this really tense uh standoff with all the bad guys and good guys all showing up with guns and then
Speaker: Other cops who don't know what's going on come in and just ruin the whole thing. I just thought that scene was really good. And then the other one I was going to mention, well, I actually, I also really liked the bus chase scene. That one is not quite long enough for me. It doesn't go on, but I just, I don't know. I love that scene where they're like,
Speaker: Like you said, Billy Bear's driving a bus. I guess they killed somebody and that bus, and they're just like running them off the road. I love that. And I love the cinematography in the Chinatown scene, like when Jack Cates comes out and there's all these neon lights and Chinese symbols, and and he's kind of like the neon glow kind of silhouettes Cates for a second. i just I thought that was so well shot.
Speaker: That was a brilliant shot. and and Another scene, meant to mention this. I love the scene where we actually meet Reggie because it's just it's really unique for a couple of reasons to me.
Speaker: Eddie Murphy, had he had top billing alongside Nick Nolte. We don't see him until, what, 20 minutes into the film? And then we don't initially see him. We hear him first. He's singing Roxanne. Yeah.
Speaker: by the police and listening to it on his cassette Walkman. And that is what he's, he's listening to that tape and singing Roxanne when Kate walks up and gets him out of jail.
Speaker: It's a pretty good introduction to his character. You know, when you said that, when you said that about him being like kind of co-top build, it made me think it's his first film role. And he's, he's like at the top of the ticket. The only other person that immediately comes to mind is that that happened to is Steven Seagal, like with, ah with above the law.
Speaker: Like he kind of comes out the gate as the top build star, but like a lot of people have to work their way up to that.
Speaker: Hey, it it paid off. I mean, just look at all of the films. Yeah, it did. i mean, no matter what you want to say about Steven Seagal, that dude made some made some money at the box office. um Cool, man. Yeah. So I just think those are some of the best scenes.
Speaker: And now here's the I'm so glad you came on to talk about this movie because ah you love movie scores. I love movie scores. I love James Horner. You love James Horner. We think about this score.
Speaker: I have my notepad where that I busted out to take notes on when I sat down to rewatch the film. And one of my first notes that I wrote down was I saw James Horner pop up in the opening credits. And I thought this doesn't immediately sound like the alien soundtrack because i feel like so many of his soundtracks after aliens was made.
Speaker: And even a little bit before that had kind of that fingerprint in there. ah But then like, and I think it was maybe the hotel shootout scene, the hotel lobby shootout scene. ah There were a couple of elements where i was like, yeah, okay. That sounds like aliens and aliens was made 86. Yeah.
Speaker: That seems right. I don't remember. So I think that was like four years after this, but he definitely kind of had that timpani that he was really into. ah This might be one of my favorite James Horner scores.
Speaker: ah And while while I was typing up show notes, I tried to listen to it on Spotify. It's not on Spotify. So i I ended up finding it on YouTube, but it's just very diverse and it's more diverse than a lot of James Horner's other scores that are super timpani heavy.
Speaker: Like he still has a little bit of that in there. And like I think I read that he reused part of this score, like a little bit of it in Commando. um but there are a lot of like kind of jazzy and like avant-garde almost numbers in there uh he builds tension really well in a lot of scenes with that with the uh the score like i think it was was it the it was the car tailing luther scene that you were talking about yeah um but what what are your thoughts on this james horner score I got a lot of thoughts on this James Horner. I'm sitting here getting all amped up in my chair. Just like, I got a lot of thoughts about this score. I love this score.
Speaker: So you're talking about the, how people say it was like reused for commando or whatever. And like you mentioned, James Horner sort of has the reputation of like ah plagiarizing himself ah for a lot of ah scores. I'm like, Hey man, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker: ah he He's, you know what I like to call that? It's content repurposing. yeah how can you plagiarize yourself? ah So anyways, like, ah but I don't know. I've heard people say, like, this score is the same as Commando or whatever. They're definitely very similar.
Speaker: but they But like, the Commando score especially is a score I've listened to a lot. And they're like... they're like twins. They're like not identical twins. They're like fraternal twins or whatever you call that. They're very similar, but they are a little different.
Speaker: I don't know that there's any part that's like exactly borrowed and put into the other one. I just think they're, they're similar in a lot of ways and I love it. So the commando score, i hope I'm not talking too fast because I just love these scores.
Speaker: But the commando score was the, one of the first scores that, and maybe like Basil Polydoras for Conan, the barbarian where I just kind of thought like, I love this. I love this. Even before I got into movie scores, I was like, the music in this is awesome.
Speaker: I remember being a kid and watching commando. I guess I shouldn't say that, but I mean, whatever. It was a different time. I was a kid watching a commando and like, I just remember those steel drums just like stuck with me. I loved them. And they have them in this movie too.
Speaker: Uh, and now I'm the kind of guy where like any like little tropical element like that in an action movie score, give it to me. Bongos, steel drums. Uh, and I've read online that people, like a lot of people hate that the steel drums, but no way, man. I love it.
Speaker: So I think this score is great. It's got, just write the right amount of synth and some driving bass and that saxophone going crazy and like the steel drums, man, I love it. And I have it on vinyl.
Speaker: Enjoy the Ride Records put out a great ah vinyl release of it not too long ago. Highly recommend that. i actually started looking after re-watching the film earlier need to get this on vinyl it is such a catchy soundtrack i uh ordered the uh i don't remember who put it out but i ordered the uh commando um soundtrack on cd some time ago so i've got that one on cd uh but this one having this one on vinyl just feels so good i was listening to it before we started recording
Speaker: I just love this score. I just wanted to talk about it for a second. yeah um Who doesn't love the steel drums, though? Hey, I hear you. I'm with you. I think people think it's a little chaotic. Like, for some people, they think it's a little chaotic. But for me, like, that works. Like, it works to drive the tension. It works here. It works in commando.
Speaker: Like, that saxophone just going crazy and those steel drums just being like, ding, ding, ding, ding. I'm just, I'm here for it. I'm into it. I agree. It establishes tension really well. It's kind of a little anxiety inducing. I feel like it was very intentional yeah in its usage.
Speaker: And it has that like that bass that's just sort like, um like, it I don't know. It does it for me, man. I guess people listen to this and be like, man, the mouth sounds. But I just I love this score.
Speaker: ah It's so good, man. I'm i'm i'm jazzed by this score. ah So ah final thoughts on this movie, Moe. Anything we haven't talked about that you want to point out about ah this classic piece of 80s action cinema?
Speaker: I, I just really love this movie. It's one that I will, I will totally revisit, it Like you said, it was it's kind of the father of the subgenre, but it just does so many things that are unique.
Speaker: I think especially with how it has very so it has humor in there. It has laughs, but it's very subdued, and it's it's really gritty, and there's this acerbic dynamic between the the two characters.
Speaker: main characters and how one of them is not even a cop i think there are just so many little touches there that make it unique uh it's it's got a lot of replay value um and it it has just been so influential on subsequent films Yeah, I totally agree, man. I read this. So I love Quentin Tarantino. I mean, got lot respect for Quentin Tarantino. But one thing that I read once, and I guess he's like pretty open about this, is like he thinks the 80s were a low time for action, which like, okay.
Speaker: We're watching different. Whoa. A low time. Yeah. And I, he loves like 70 stuff. And so he was talking about, um he was like, Walter Hill wasn't doing his best work in the eighties. And I, as soon as I heard that, I was like, dude, 48 hours. Like I love 48 hours. So as much as I respect Quentin Tarantino, love his movies,
Speaker: Got to disagree with him on that. I really like this movie. I think it's just a classic, like you said, so influential. um It just really like stands the test of time.
Speaker: i do think that it it's kind of unique in its like darkness and grittiness compared to a lot of other, I guess you could say, imitators. ah As I'm watching it, i mean you know like we talked about earlier, there's there's parts of it where I'm like, man, you know it's hard to watch. some of the things It's hard to like Jack Cates because he's not really a likable character for most of the movie. like you know He's just not really a likable character.
Speaker: a lot of things he says, he's very uncomfortable to hear. but um But I just think it's a great movie. It stands the test of time. Like you said, I watch it over and over again. I find myself kind of craving the...
Speaker: lightheartedness of a Beverly Hills cop at points. um But Beverly Hills cop already exists. In fact, there's four of them. So I'm glad we have something like 48 hours that's a little different, stands on its own or stands really before.
Speaker: Um, so before we wrap, I've got one thing that I'm going to try out. I don't know if I'm be able to do this in every single episode, ah but I wanted to do ah what right now, maybe I'll come up with a better name later, but I'm calling this buddy cop crossovers and maybe you'll spot some of these as well. But as I was watching this movie, I kept being like, yo, there's a name that I know from another body, buddy cop movie.
Speaker: There's a name I know from a different buddy cop movie. I made a little list. So if you'll indulge me, if you and the listener will indulge me. ah Eddie Murphy obviously is going to show up again in not only another 48 hours, but he's going to show up in Beverly Hills cop and he's going to show up opposite Robert de Niro in showtime.
Speaker: ah Frank McRae, we've already mentioned as the yelling, screaming police captain is going to show up again in Last Action Hero and Loaded Weapon and also another 48 hours, as you pointed out, or Loaded Weapon 1.
Speaker: ah Jonathan I'm loving this because it's kind of like the murder board that you see and in the police station, you know, like Makebridge and all the connections. so This is that hard nerd stuff, man. This is where if you've made it this far in the podcast, you're here for that hard nerd stuff. This is our six threes of Kevin Bacon.
Speaker: ah so Jonathan Banks, you know, playing one of the cops that gets shot at the first. He is obviously one of the bad guys from Beverly Hills Cop at the, you know, in one of the main bad guys in Beverly Hills Cop.
Speaker: ah Walter Hill, the director of this movie, would return for one of your favorites. Red Heat ah would return to the subgenre. And also he did another 48 hours. ah Roger Spottiswood, who wrote or was one of four credited writers on this film, also directed Turner and Hooch and Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.
Speaker: a much maligned, uh, buddy cop movie. That is the maybe only entry in the cop and mom sub sub genre, uh, Steven D'Souza. So here's the thing. Steven D'Souza is a name that anytime I see it, I'm like, Oh yeah, let's do this. If you see Steven D'Souza's name attached to an eighties or early nineties action movie, you are about to get some treasure usually, but,
Speaker: Really, going through his list, the only one that I really would consider another buddy cop movie is he worked some on Beverly Hills Cop 3. ah But, you know, he's famous for things like I hope I don't get any of these wrong, but like obviously Die Hard, ah Commando, lots of other movies that I love.
Speaker: And then Joel Silver, a name that everybody recognizes, was cer would do production work on Lethal Weapon and The Last Boy Scout. And that's it. Can you think of any I left out?
Speaker: I can't I can't think of any that you left out. Maybe, maybe if we get some, maybe we get some listeners, they might be like, you've missed one, but I feel like i didn't actually connect it all with yarn and and thumbtacks. But now that you're saying that maybe I should, maybe I should do that.
Speaker: All right, man. There's going to be some listener fan mail though. They'll send some corrections. you You missed this guy. ah Yeah, well, hey, I love it. You know what I just realized when you said that? I don't have ah i don't have an email or anything to plug for this podcast yet. i am on ah We are on Instagram.
Speaker: So as we're wrapping up here, I'll just say that's it for 48 Hours a Movie I Love. um The podcast is on Instagram at SteakAndShakePod. Steakhouse and Shakedowns was so long.
Speaker: And Crystal recommended I shorten it SteakAndShakePod. So it's S T A K E and shake pod on Instagram. So can send me a message there. Give us a little follow there. Hopefully ah once I figure this whole podcasting thing out, Mo's going to help me figure out how to get this everywhere that you get podcasts. I hope so you can like us, follow us, review us, give us a nice rating on there.
Speaker: If you want to follow me on Instagram, I'm at cliff Weston. on Instagram. Mo, where can listeners find you, man? You got anything you want to plug or just plug your social media or what's up?
Speaker: Yeah, you can follow me at Mitchell C. Long on Instagram and Twitter. You can follow me at Cup of Mo on Blue Sky. ah You can also ah follow the Celluloid Fiends podcast on Instagram.
Speaker: You can check out cupofmo.com. And also, i know I mentioned this earlier, but so check out the Celluloid Fiends podcast. If you listen to that, you will hear both myself and Wes.
Speaker: On a number of episodes. So check all that out. ah We will see you all next time. And until then, y'all be cool. Right on.
