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C2 Ep. 185 Racing Towards Dread Chapter Two
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Making plans and risking danger
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Introduction to 'Ever Under Need'
00:00:09
Speaker
D20 radio, your game is roll.
00:00:46
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Ever Under Need, where I shall play podcasts at Neighbor on Campaign Sitting. I'm your game master, Eric.
00:00:52
Speaker
I'm Phillip. I'm Trevor, sorry. Hi, I'm Randy. I'm Jeff.
Recap of Last Episode
00:00:57
Speaker
Welcome to another episode. Gentlemen, what happened last time? Milo was interrogated by Verla. Everyone was a little bit interrogated. I wasn't interrogated. Okay, how about Milo was questioned. Off screen, Hob was interrogated about some physical fitness for the whole group. Eris is still grievously injured and is working on
00:01:20
Speaker
a hand for Ulvin. Yep. I've had a pretty chill episode. Other than he's going to start making brochures for his new gym opening. Hobb, Hobb made one quick ask to see if Aeris wanted to get her shoulder stronger. And we're going to pick up where we left off in the four sales with you all discussing the recent happenings because there's also a couple of things we haven't touched on yet in this conversation.
00:01:46
Speaker
Yes, Hob, have you seen... Did I already show you the newspaper, Hob? I don't remember. Yes, yes. I'm gonna shoot you really straight. I just blanked on what
Viggo's Release & Safety Concerns
00:01:54
Speaker
the newspaper says. It's not... All that's in my head now is, oh, oh, God. Yes. Viggo's release. Yes, Viggo release. Yes, duh. So, I gotta be honest. I can't see how this makes things better or worse for us. It's just a thing that is a new wrinkle.
00:02:08
Speaker
Well, I'm certain he'll probably in some way or manner try to seek revenge. Sure. We've been on, I mean, we've been on the Boromar crapplist since that night, though. I'm not concerned about Viggo as a personal threat. And I'm not a totally, he can't have more power or resource than his sister who also wants us dead. Cousin. Cousin, pardon me, but we'll see.
00:02:39
Speaker
I'm not the new cool take it in stride, huh? That's just really how he feels about Vigo getting out of prison. The more pressing concern based on the headline in the article, Milo, that they have dismissed Vigo as being the guilty party. Right. Yes. So they will be looking for who killed Saint. Are we concerned the watch is going to come down on
Milo's Reflection on Viggo
00:03:00
Speaker
us now? Is that?
00:03:01
Speaker
Well, since they essentially acquitted Vigo due to being coerced, then certain they will be coming after us now, most certainly. I mean, if that was true, wouldn't Verla have arrested you? See, we've talked with Verla. I mean, I thought we were clear with the...
00:03:20
Speaker
the big boys, the feds, like... Yes, yeah. You know, I really need to talk to Koldor because I handed him Vigo, and this was not supposed to be the sort of thing that happens when you hand someone to the Dark Lanterns. That's a great point. There's been a miscarriage of justice here. Yes, well, perhaps I will carry it out correctly.
00:03:37
Speaker
Fracked that, secret agents failed to deal with what they were supposed to do. Hang on, let's go back to Milo's thing. What dude? Did Milo say that? Yes, certainly. Well this is very new for you, Milo. I really don't think that it is. I mean, without Vigo, I wouldn't be in...
00:03:59
Speaker
The situations I find myself in, my wife would still be alive, I'd still be running keg bottoms, you know, he goes, it's just, he has to go one way or another. I'm trying to remember if we had to stop you from killing him when we had him dead to rights in the, in the firewall. Yes, you did. Okay. You did. I could not remember if, if, if, if we actually had to physically keep you from doing that or not physically, but actually keep you from doing that or not. Okay.
00:04:27
Speaker
Then you're right, it's not new. I apologize for saying that, I misremembered. Hey bud, don't! This would not be a good time to do that, right? There's no way he's not being surveilled.
00:04:36
Speaker
Time to think about it after I had the newspaper and absorbed the information. No, I would definitely have to be very, very discreet. Now is probably not the proper time, but the time will come. All right, just like- But no, it is not your concern. I do not wish to implicate any of you in any of my doings. If and when it happens, it will be all on me.
00:05:05
Speaker
Well, that doesn't make it none of my concern. You're endeavoring to make it none of my effort. We've got to remember, and I feel like sometimes maybe I'm the only one, that we are intertwined cosmically, and that the actions of one affect the outcomes of all.
00:05:23
Speaker
You're getting better at that. I'm getting better at that. Absolutely, yes. I feel I might be getting worse. I think also, yes.
Team's Interconnectedness
00:05:31
Speaker
What's important is we're all self-aware, I guess, of where we're at on the spectrum. Radar, do you got anything to say? Don't worry, I had a completely new group of friends to get in trouble with you all, so. So, I would maybe want you to help make it my concern before you do it, so that I can make sure that
00:05:49
Speaker
I don't have to be concerned. Does that make sense, Milo? Perfectly, Hob. It's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust him.
00:05:58
Speaker
or them at this point. I think you're capable of killing Viggo. I don't think you're capable of shutting down the Boromar vengeance initiative. Yes, I know. I know, Hob. I always appreciate your concern and all of your help through all of our times together. I already, you know, I would not be alive if not for Hob's protection. So I always, I always appreciate your concern. I mean, none of us would be alive without the others. That's kind of,
00:06:27
Speaker
Well, Milo's referencing before Milo became this Milo. Oh, sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, thank God I kept you alive long enough to get here. Thank you for that. On the run, scared and angry. Yes, we have other things to deal with, I believe at the moment. Look, I think that you're right. Clearly, Vigo is going to be coming after us or sending people after us. And we haven't dealt with that for some time, but we have dealt with that.
00:06:54
Speaker
So, while it is concerning, I am not going to let it break me down
Milo's Psychic Message
00:07:00
Speaker
today. What's a guy gotta do to get a chicken around here? Ulfin rounds the corner. Hey, everyone. Sorry about that, Eris. And Ulfin slides the plate in front of you. Yeah, what can I get everyone? How's business looking now that we've moved him? Are there people here eating seafood? There's, no, there's nobody here yet. They aren't, like, officially open yet. Okay, okay, I didn't know if we'd gotten them ready to go. Nope.
00:07:20
Speaker
Ask for a chicken. Milo. I'll just have a coffee this morning. I ate breakfast on the way out as I figured you'd be busy this morning. Anything with mushrooms, please. All right. And Ulfin returns back.
00:07:34
Speaker
You know, when you say that, all he has to do is bring you an uncooked mushroom and he's, you know, I've got a lot on my mind right now. I mean, technically he could bring me a live chicken, but we know he's not going to. There's there's certain unnecessary unspoken in the restaurant industry, like cook the food safely. Milo. Yes. You get a.
00:07:55
Speaker
like a magical tingle in your mind and you realize that you are being targeted by some kind of sending magic. A message is being sent to you as a person and it's, uh, Tarvel here.
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Speaker
heard back, ready to talk when you are. Where do you want to meet? And you know, Milo, you were able to send back a brief message that Tarble will hear. That's one. Wait, can I not tell my friends here? Quit counting! What's going on? Or do I, whatever happens now, that's what happens.
00:08:34
Speaker
Just, yeah, give him a spot to meet. I don't know of a spot to meet. The King of Shoren's Castle. No, I mean, part of me just wants to say the four sails, but I don't know that that's a good idea. I mean, if you tell our little four sails, then we can meet him in the empty lot where the four sails used to be. Exactly. No, no. Kind of exposed, but. Flip a story point. And how does Milo know how many? I like how much he can convey. About 25 words.
00:09:04
Speaker
Okay. How about we meet at the old warehouse where, when we were younger, we used to meet at. Okay. And your story point is that that warehouse exists and Tarvel knows about it? Yes. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. And you feel the message fly off? Right.
Intel on Dreadhold
00:09:23
Speaker
Well, I just heard from Tarvel in my mind. He has information and he's heard back on what needs to be done. And we are going to meet at whatever time I sent him. You didn't. So Tarvel is probably
00:09:42
Speaker
I need to go meet him at a particular warehouse that he and I know about from our earlier days. So I'm going to head that way. I don't know if we all need to be there, but if you wish to come, you're more than welcome. I mean, I don't want to, but it seems like we should.
00:09:58
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, sure. If you want us there, especially. Yes, I feel it would be good for us all to hear the information, but there are a lot of things going on right now, so. I say let's do it. Okay, so is everyone going? Okay. I guess you should get to go with the food to go, possibly. That food's not going to be ready for a minute.
00:10:17
Speaker
Yeah, wait, you got to choose when you met and you chose right now when we just ordered food? Well, unfortunately, that was quite a new experience for me and I did not think to elucidate a time. So I assume he's probably on his way. Alright. I communicate with you by magic every single day. It's just in a little thing you're wearing.
00:10:37
Speaker
Yes, but this was different. It was in my head from somebody different than Kylie. Let's just go. Right. Yeah, let's just go. OK, you all don't run into any. Actually, let me.
00:10:51
Speaker
Well, don't run into any issues as you head to the warehouse. Now the V goes out. You don't run into. Yeah, you all arrive with that issue mile. You're able to head to the entrance and you see Tarvel in there sitting on a couple of crates. Milo waves and heads that way. OK, follow.
00:11:12
Speaker
Yeah, thanks for thanks for coming, everyone. I've been talking with Aaron about the interior of the Dreadhold layout, guard patterns, things like that. And I have as much information as she's going to be able to get me is basically where we've landed. She's in the the red cells, which is the most common, heavily populated area of the Dreadhold. She has about four hours a day where she's able to roam free.
00:11:41
Speaker
I mean, and he just holds up a folder with some documents stacked in it and hands it out to Milo. Okay, Milo opens it up and looks at these documents.
00:11:52
Speaker
I mean, there's a lot to go through. Like if you stand there in silence, you're going to be right now. Milo just takes a brief glance, sees what's in there like there's some sketches, like some like drawings of layout notes, things like that. So I don't know how you all want to do this, but that's.
00:12:12
Speaker
All I can do on my end of the bargain. Well, I mean, that's quite looks like quite a bit of information. It should be. I mean, it is. It's a lot of information for what you get in there. Yes. Tricky bit is the steps prior to that. Yes. Is there anything in here about getting in? Unfortunately not. When Aaron was taken there, they they knock you out. You wake up in your cell. So no, she doesn't.
00:12:40
Speaker
having information about how you get in or anything like that. She did mention visitors are allowed. There's obviously a visitors galley that they go to, but once again, heavily guarded.
00:12:56
Speaker
lockdown. Any visitors that enter have to give up all magical implementation. Anybody capable of shape shifting is given special clothing that they have to wear, that the clothing itself cannot be shifted in any way to mark them. So there's a lot of precautions when you get in there in terms of trying to do something on the inside. Yes, very well. I don't know if you all read the papers. I was just about to ask.
00:13:26
Speaker
You can print the paper? We knew as soon as it happened. It's just most of the city watch is still on the take. So it was easy enough to sweep under the rug. And there's enough of the legal system outside of the watch that is also in good. Compound that with connections with the houses. And yeah, it was going to be tough to make anything stick to begin with.
Clan Tensions & Alira's Threats
00:13:49
Speaker
yes i assume the heat is going to ramp up on us now potentially that's obviously the direction that they'd like it to go in i don't know names or anything but i know that there has been some component of significant resistance internally within the sharton city watch when it comes to
00:14:09
Speaker
going after you all. There's someone stopping Alira from using her might to come after you. Mala also doesn't think that you specifically, Milo, would be capable of it. So I don't know if they can't put it on you, they'll find someone that the clan's got beef with.
00:14:30
Speaker
depending on. Yes. Well, all right. I guess when we come up with a plan for this. Do you have any leads? I've been doing stuff on my end. Have you all been working on your end about an approach for this?
00:14:43
Speaker
Honestly, Tarvel, things have been quite insane on our end and we have not as of yet. Okay. Well. But we will definitely work on it and come up with a plan and we'll let you know. He's not trying to hide it. You can sense a bit of annoyance on Tarvel's face is keeping me in the loop, I guess. Yes.
00:15:08
Speaker
We certainly will, and like Sam, sorry Tarvel that we have not been able to do anything on that endeavor yet, but I can't say that we want her out as much as you obviously do, but I definitely want her out as well. Tarvel, like, gives kind of what I was like, it's not just about getting
00:15:31
Speaker
her out though. Like, Alira's been making moves within the clan this whole time, getting people that were loyal to Satan out, getting her own people in. Like, Alira believes it was you all that killed her father.
00:15:47
Speaker
Nobody's going to be able to shake her of that belief short of the man himself coming back. So the hammer will fall while she's in power. Understood, yes. I just don't want you all to have a sense of security that, you know, she's not concerned about you.
00:16:03
Speaker
Like, that's all she's working on right now, is trying to get as much consolidated power that she can launch at the city. And you all are high on that list. Yes. Well, it, in my mind, after you put it that way, it's number one priority for me. Okay. Well, I had to leave the core and overseeing things, so I need to get back.
00:16:29
Speaker
Hey, Eric. Yes. Can I spend a story point to retroactively do something? Perhaps. Many moons ago, Eris made a whole bunch of little recording devices. We'd like to have recorded this conversation. Sure. I'd like. All right. I guess we better let you get back to it and thank you for all of this information. Sure.
00:16:54
Speaker
Um, if you need anything and Tarvel reaches in his pocket for a second, fumbles with something and pulls out a small coin and hands it to Milo. This will allow you to send me a message the same way that I sent you one, and then I'll be able to respond one time.
00:17:11
Speaker
just place your thumb on the face and one side of the coin is like waves and the other side of the coin is like a kraken but the tentacles are kind of in the background and the face is in the foreground. Place your thumb on the kraken's face and that will
00:17:27
Speaker
One time use only context. That's a really bad idea. True. Yeah. It's a, I have to recharge it. So yeah. In fact, the coin will disappear after you use it. So yeah. Okay. Very well. All right. Well, I guess I will be seeing you all hopefully soon. Yes. Farewell. Farewell. And Tarvel goes to exit the warehouse.
Reflecting on Priorities
00:17:51
Speaker
Well, sounds like we possibly should have been taking this a little more seriously.
00:17:56
Speaker
I didn't say it to Tarvel because I don't know that it would have done any good, but I never stopped taking this all seriously.
00:18:07
Speaker
We weren't thinking about Eren because we were trying to survive the many things trying to kill us. I know Alira still wants us taken out. Tarble wasn't telling us new information, right? Yes. Well, no, but I think he approaches it from his viewpoint, which I totally understand. Sure. And which me being a member of the Clan, I just feel like perhaps I've let him down a little bit and maybe even let us down a little bit.
00:18:37
Speaker
Milo, how many other members of the clan, or employees of the clan, have agreed to break his wife out of the unbreakoutable prison? I think we're doing plenty for Tarvel. I understand. I understand. I do, Milo. But you gotta suck giving yourself such a hard time when we're doing some big things for some big people. Yes.
00:18:55
Speaker
Don't let him make you feel bad for helping him. Right. Point taken. You're a good man, Milo. I don't know, I'm just gassing Milo up for fun. You're handsome and the workouts have really been shaken out, I can tell. Those are separate things, by the way. Being handsome and working out. Did you guys go work out in the last hour? Apparently. On the way here, on the way here. Did I black out? Milo carried me here. Well, I feel like I should make a meeting with Koldor. You still want to keep those solo?
00:19:23
Speaker
The last meeting was not solo. Coldwar showed up at soaring spirits and talked to you. Yeah, right. This time he just wait, not not soaring spirits. He was at the four sales. No, he was soaring spirits up on the second level. When was that? When he told you all about the four sales getting destroyed. That's right. Yes. OK. Yeah. I don't know. I'll see what he wants to do. All right. I have a lot less confidence in him than I had a little while ago. OK. And she. Wait, I have a frequency for him, right? You have a frequency. I think so.
00:19:53
Speaker
I don't know. You know, you got a freak. I have contact. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Eris moves the runes appropriately on her ascending stone. Hi. Hello. OK, so here's my thing just right off the bat. When I handed you Vigo, I didn't think you were going to put him in like regular jail. Yeah, we're we're we're trying to deal with that. Eris, don't you outrank everyone on the watch?
00:20:21
Speaker
I don't outrank anyone on the watch because the jurisdictions are very different. Right. But your jurisdiction belongs to the king. It isn't the king's jurisdiction like everybody. Aren't you just aren't you supposed to just be able to do what you want? No, no. The short answer. No, Harris. I did. What the point is. I'm able to do a lot. But the problem is in like if ego needed to be taken care of, then we have ways of doing that.
00:20:47
Speaker
But he was a wanted suspect for a very public crime and him just disappearing, wasn't going to help anyone. So he tried to make it to where the crime would be settled, but would be on it. Forces that we did not anticipate got very involved and we're trying to fix that. But yeah, no, super not stoked about what happened. Wait, forces you did not anticipate.
00:21:14
Speaker
That has to mean someone other than the Boromar clan. We're trying to get to the bottom. Obviously, you anticipated the Boromar clan, right? I mean, I'm right. Yes. You anticipated the Boromar clan would object. I assume that you called me because you don't think I'm an abject idiot. So I just assume. That's what I just said I was doing. I just said I was assuming that. Yes. But then you waited for me to confirm your suspicions. Yes. Eris.
00:21:40
Speaker
I'm you've called me on the worst morning I've had in a very long time.
Plan to Break Out Erin Boromar
00:21:43
Speaker
What can I do for you? Ditto. OK, what's up? We have something we need to. Well, I need to talk to you about something. Is there an I can do it this way, I guess, but it's easier if we go somewhere. Is it pertaining to something we've discussed before?
00:22:00
Speaker
Yes. What? This is a secure line. I'm in a secure place. There is a plan hatched by a different faction in the clan. Okay. This is about the clan stuff.
00:22:16
Speaker
This is about the clan stuff, which seems like it filters out into all the other stuff. But the person at the top, that's what we're talking about. Right. Yeah. OK, great. There's a plan among different faction to put someone else besides Allura in charge.
00:22:34
Speaker
Which I know is what you wanted my help with. OK. But that plan is involves Aaron Boromar, who's OK. Drettel. Yeah. Where where's a good place for you to meet? Because, yeah, I have some thoughts. I have some things I.
00:22:49
Speaker
was going to call you but then things don't get me entirely wrong. Don't don't take this entirely the wrong way. But how absolutely certain are you of not being followed by any of the now many people who are probably trying to kill me? I am extremely certain that I will not be followed. Then I guess you can come back to the soaring spirits. Okay, when now
00:23:12
Speaker
I will head that direction now. I'm down in. Where are we? I know we're at a warehouse, but I don't know. I'm down. I'm I'm in Dora. I'm in lower Dora. I'm taking a minute. OK, I'll be able to get there a lot quicker than you. So I'll hold off and see you there. Right. OK. OK. And Koldor hangs up. He's coming to the sewing space. I said that I understand. So that was probably not an idiot. OK. Head to the sewing space. He didn't react immediately, aggressively, angrily when I mentioned getting someone out of the dread hold. That's good.
00:23:42
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of thought you would. I thought that would be, like, a big thing. He'd already sounded a little angry, but Hob doesn't know that, so... So, if you're going alone, do you want to take this information? Do you think it would be a... Oh, I recorded that meeting. No, I'm talking about this folder. Sure.
00:23:59
Speaker
So just Eris is going to the meeting? Am I going alone? If you'd like to. It sounded like on the call that you were going alone. He didn't say one way or another. So I guess it depends on whether you want to go to a meeting with the Dark Lanterns. No, I don't. Yes, I might as well go. I don't mind not going. I just thought you had made it sound like you were going alone. That's all.
00:24:23
Speaker
I like standing in the background when you have to make certain checks. So I'll be there if you'd like. Sure. I mean, yeah, I don't know what he's going to do. All right. I do have a thing I'd like to do. Is your meeting right now? What? I have to get there. Yes. Sorry, I didn't know it was. It's Eris. Are you heading there now?
Logistics of Dreadhold Breakout
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, that was my plan. Yes. All right. I'll handle my other thing later. It's not time sensitive. Okay. I mean, I can't tell him to wait. No, it's fine. All right. We'll do your thing first.
00:24:52
Speaker
Away. Hobcrawls up on his cross. Hob has got plenty of spotlight time in this campaign for his personal thesis, Jeff. You can take it, take it. Foisted upon him. Okay, so as you all approach the soaring spirits returning to Highwall, yeah, you all enter. It's about lunchtime now, so it's kind of busy. New Orleans, they're like, hey, everyone upstairs is pretty cleared out if you just want to head up there.
00:25:17
Speaker
Is that a really, really inconspicuous person waiting for me? Like a weirdly inconspicuous person. Inconspicuous to the point of noticing them. I mean, now there's somebody just standing behind you staring at the back of your head. So that guy. Frack. He turns around and. Hey. With the pistol like halfway out of its holster by the time she turns. OK. I don't like that. Yeah. It unnerves people. You said that.
00:25:44
Speaker
Like pointedly, like I was someone who shows up behind people staring at the back of their head. No, I was just statement fact. OK, don't unnerve me. I don't like being a nerd. I'm a, you know, that's what we do. Right. But surely you're capable of not doing it. Table upstairs. Yes. Milo. Yeah. Brainard. Yeah. You all take a seat at the table. Yeah. So here you all have a master plan to bust someone out of an unbreakable prison.
00:26:13
Speaker
No. Hardly. Sort of have like the vague notion of doing that. What we've got is the drive. Why are you so comfortable with this? I thought this would be like, I haven't been telling you about this because I thought you'd be really unhappy about the idea of us getting Aaron out of the dress code. Dred, Dred, hold. The what is it? The what's the thing? The prison. I'm sorry, out of the dress code is amazing. I'm out of the dress code. Let's get her out of it.
00:26:43
Speaker
OK, correct me if I'm wrong, Philip, but I thought that Eris implied that Vigo is also responsible for killing the dark liners. Yeah, Eris is handed over. Yeah, Eris handed over every piece of evidence she had for that. But she did that. I think she specifically gave that to Verla because we found out about that after.
00:27:00
Speaker
Yeah, the medium was colder. I assume it really passed along. Yeah. Well, looking at all the evidence surrounding Vigo and what he confessed to, it's pretty apparent that Aaron is Aaron could be described as innocent in regards. He's not guilty of that. Yes, potentially. I mean, we don't we don't know. Aaron was head of the peer lads when that happened. I can't confirm that Vigo wasn't acting on her request or orders, etc.
00:27:26
Speaker
follow-up question then can't you then just let her out no so the way the way putting someone in the dreadhold works it's not just a regular prison it's a contract system you have to pay to keep somebody in there and the only person that can get somebody out
00:27:44
Speaker
is the person that signed the contract or somebody with a greater rank than them. And in their colder kind of rolls his eyes, infinite wisdom. The Citadel thought that all Dreadhold assignments should be stamped and signed by Boranell himself. So nobody can supersede a Citadel Dreadhold contract.
00:28:07
Speaker
Can he then let her out? Then you work for him and you can let her out. Like what? On what grounds would I? You think you would say we looked at the evidence and we don't think she committed this crime. Primarily innocent. We don't know if Vigo was, Vigo could easily say I was acting on orders. I was, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I could make that. Wait now. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. If I.
00:28:32
Speaker
Wait now, because I've been avoiding being arrested for lots of things in my entire, in my life. If I were arrested, I said, sorry, Satan Boromar told me to. Does that mean you arrest him and not me? Well, we probably arrest both of you, is what I'm saying. Vigo would go away. Go arrest Vigo. But I'm saying- Oh, okay. Why is- Well, we don't get to tell him what to do, still Eris. Also, Eris, that confession in the court of law
00:28:59
Speaker
is now labeled as coercion, which makes it no longer admissible. And sure. If the Sean watch had arrested him, they'd have coerced a confession out of him too. Be that as it may. Listen, yeah, I could, and Cold War kind of looks right, I could bag and tag Viggo and have him in the drug hold tomorrow if I wanted to, but. Great. That sounds excellent. That would raise questions and suspicions, Eris. I am not an all-powerful entity. I have bosses that would ask me,
00:29:27
Speaker
What the hells? And I better have a damn good reason for why I just sin. Could you give us instructions, very careful instructions on how to go about bagging and tagging a person? For the Dreadhold?
00:29:43
Speaker
Sure. I don't think you could afford that. It's very expensive. I'm getting really cons... I had always assumed that the Dreadhold was a place that people who committed crimes went for their crimes. But now you're telling me it's just a matter of paying enough money to get someone thrown into prison?
00:30:01
Speaker
I mean, Kunderet can reject any contract they want. So yeah, if I just said this guy annoys me, please lock him up, they could be like, hey, no, but it's for governments to send potentially dangerous individuals or people that have committed particularly heinous crimes or political enemies that might be able to raise support in a traditional prison system that they don't want to have be afforded that ability are the types of people that get sent to the Dreadhold.
00:30:31
Speaker
But it's a, it's a for-profit thing. Like you have to pay for 70 to be in the Drenhold. So, Kundirect makes money off of it. Awesome. I agree with the sentiment behind your words.
00:30:42
Speaker
But be that as it may, we do have, and Koldor produces a small envelope, we do have some various contingencies if we ever need to get someone out. So what do you have in your folder? And Koldor pulls his folder back in front of him. Sketches. Milo pulls his folder out. Here's my folder. I trump yours and his mine.
00:31:03
Speaker
Okay, Koldor briefly kind of flips through it. Okay, this is good inside information. Basically, what do you all want to do with this information? I guess. Do you all want me to try and facilitate the release as insofar as I can, but that might raise suspicions, especially surrounding Erin herself. Do you all want me to
00:31:26
Speaker
create a circumstance in which you all can attempt to get her out yourselves, which I could also do. What's what's your ask here? I guess you called this meeting. So you tell me. OK, so just my position and I do not speak on behalf of everyone here. It really sounds like we just sell people to the Dreadhold and that really bums me out because, you know, I've been I've been there and that sucks. So if there's a version of this where I don't have to go to the Dreadhold,
00:31:55
Speaker
That sounds amazing. Like I'm really good at doing things here in Sharn and I have just like the slightest inklings of ideas on getting into the Dreadhold. I don't really understand how we get out without killing the entire garrison.
00:32:16
Speaker
Yeah, avoiding going to the prison does sound ideal. Okay. What kinds of questions might it raise about Erin that you're concerned about? Well, it would raise questions around if I start barking up the tree about getting Erin Boromar out of the Dreadhold, because we think that she might be innocent of the crime she was convicted, and I need to convince my superiors all the way up to the king, then it would be questions of
00:32:42
Speaker
Does Eren have a means of communicating with the Boromar clan as he knowingly taps the papers in front of him that has allowed her to facilitate the exchange of goods, coins, et cetera, to a certain Dark Lantern agent tapping in front of him for services to get her out? What if would it make anyone feel better if in exchange for this sort of help
00:33:12
Speaker
I were able to describe in extreme detail how all of that were accomplished, thus allowing
00:33:21
Speaker
House Kundarek to significantly improve their security. Like a white hat job. I don't like hats. I mean, if you wanted to... If the other half of that sentence is talk to House Kundarek, I do not. No, no, no. I'm saying if you wanted to come up with your own plan to break her up. Yeah, essentially, if we were to offer Kundarek a contract of if somebody is able to break into your systems and get a prisoner out,
00:33:49
Speaker
that prisoner gets to stay out, but they will reveal all the secrets of how they got them out. Well, I don't like that because I feel like if I break somebody out of the Dreadhold and, you know, I've done it.
00:33:57
Speaker
already pay. I don't need to give anyone anything about it. What are you offering an exchange like how you would have done it in exchange for Aaron? How how we got all this information out of the dress. I got you. Yeah. Obviously, I know how to get something into and out of the dress. Dreadhold, I don't currently know how to get a person into and out of the dress. Dreadhold. But that may just be a problem with scale. Yeah. Listen, the big thing that I have and he flips over his folder, the contingent. What's up, Harris?
00:34:24
Speaker
Nothing. I'll explain that thought, perhaps as part of whatever deal we're maybe making. We're not making a deal. I am presenting one of our contingencies for getting somebody out of the Dreadhold. Okay. So he flips open his folder. One of the plans that we have as a potential for when we want to get somebody out, but we don't want anyone to know that they've gotten out of the Dreadhold.
00:34:47
Speaker
is we have a list of criminals that have committed crimes against Breeland that the Dark Lanterns have apprehended. And fortunately, some of them are changelings. And a lot of them come from families and tribes that are economically not well off. And so in exchange for them assuming the identity of a prisoner in the Dreadhold and swapping places with them,
00:35:14
Speaker
their family would be very well taken care of. And we get that prisoner transferred to the gold wars where the political enemies like they would also have a much easier time in the Dreadhold than your average prisoner. But we would have to
00:35:28
Speaker
The difficult part about that is getting them inside and making the exchange. That would be the tricky bit that if we were to, you know, all things being equal, I'm just walking in this meeting blind, that would be what I would propose your piece be of it is here's the person you get them in and make the swap. And I facilitate everything else on the back end.
00:35:47
Speaker
How do we make this swap? Because if the four of us plus one walk in, wouldn't it still be the four of us plus one walking out? Because I assume we can't just turn someone invisible, because surely that's considered in there. They would go in assuming one identity.
00:36:07
Speaker
then switch to Aaron. You would acquire Aaron, have Aaron somehow assume the identity they had as they entered, and you exit with Aaron in that way. Okay, so it's like we're coming to visit Aaron, but one of the visitors stays behind and Aaron... We just leave someone who doesn't deserve to be there there.
00:36:28
Speaker
They'll have a better time in the gold cells of the Dreadhold than they're currently having. That sucks. I mean, this guy also sucks. Like, this guy is a prisoner for a reason under the Dark Lanterns. Like, you don't know this guy, Hob. Like, why do you think he doesn't deserve to be there? Because we're currently breaking out someone that doesn't deserve to be there, I suppose. Seems like it's a bit of a trend. You know one Dreadhold prisoner. And that one happens to not deserve to be there. You just told me it's simply a matter of currency.
00:36:56
Speaker
OK, yes, true. So question, because you seem to think there would be questions if Aaron just showed up not in the Dreadhold anymore. Won't that still happen if we then bring Aaron back here and then she's Aaron again and not in the Dreadhold? Won't somebody ask, hey, who's in the Dreadhold? Somebody might ask that. And the people that are in charge of keeping people in the Dreadhold will not care because they'll assume
00:37:21
Speaker
We've had a shapeshifter this whole time. OK, need to bump up our shapeshifters security because there's no possible way. It's a PR thing for Kundarak. The the two options are somebody swapped Aaron right under our noses with a shapeshifter, even though we claim to have protections against such infiltration or right. Aaron has been lying low this whole time and had a shapeshifter go to the Dreadhold for her to begin with. They're going to assume the less contingency. Does your contingency.
00:37:51
Speaker
include how do we prevent House Condirect from knowing that a changeline walked in? So they have involved some training of this individual because basically you undergo interrogation before you enter the Dreadhold and they have people that are able to read your thoughts there. And so they ask about your intention. They ask about all these things. They also ask about your name, your race, et cetera. And so
00:38:20
Speaker
rely on that to pick up on patterns. Changelings have very specific ways of thinking. It's a lot more fluid than most people just do the nature of their physiology. So we, in preparation for this plan coming to fruition, we have some changelings that we've been training on this to hard assume identities, but
00:38:44
Speaker
There's always a risk, but we're doing everything we can to mitigate those. I see. Right. All right. Does anyone else have any questions about this? Thousands, but I don't... I'm worried that you all have the wrong image of the Dreadhold real quick. It sucks as a place, but it also...
00:39:00
Speaker
It's a service that Kundarak provides because most of the people there are extremely dangerous and heinous people that deserve to be there. Yes, some fall through the cracks like any other aspect of the judicial system. If Erin is truly 100% innocent, then it's awful that she's had to stay in the Dreadhold. But at the same time, the reputation of the Dreadhold
00:39:23
Speaker
It's not all the deep ward where it's solitary confinement and you're underground and you have no contact with anyone. That exists for very specific people. Most of the prison is general population.
Ethical Debate on Breakout Plan
00:39:38
Speaker
You're out and about like, it sucks, but it's also not the worst imaginable fate for a person. Unless it's the deep wards, then yes, worst imaginable fate.
00:39:49
Speaker
Aaron's not there. If you want to get into discussion about whether or not the prison system should be a profiting business in and of itself, we can get into that, but maybe not right now. No, no, we can't. No one wants that. I promise. All right. I don't have questions, Eris, because I don't do this part.
00:40:07
Speaker
I don't know. Right. Right. What part do you do, Hob? Not much of this operation, it would appear. I would be the one to make sure we get out if we were to go there, like helping me. Like that's my thing. You know, I don't, I don't make magic and I don't do tricks. So I don't have questions regarding those things. Fair enough. Okay. I do tricks sometimes. I don't know. Sorry, guys. It's true. And I also do magic sometimes. No, I don't. I try. I fail more often than I get it done.
00:40:38
Speaker
Okay. I think we need to ask other people some questions in order to figure out whether this is something we can accomplish. Okay. Well, just setting expectations. It will take me some time to get Erin transferred to the Golden Ward so that she can be in that position, which will make it easier because the people in the gold cells have like 12 hours a day. They're able to be out of their cells and out and about and hanging out with people.
00:41:03
Speaker
And they have specific they have special rooms for visitation and things like that. So it'll take me time to use to get that done. So don't expect time. Good question. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out if one of us would have put together if they move Aaron, we lose communication.
00:41:21
Speaker
I think we will. We just have to deal with that. Like that is right. Hob does have that question, but not in front of this guy. How long will that take? If everything goes right, three to four days, realistically, probably about a week, maybe a little over.
00:41:36
Speaker
Okay. Don't stop quite yet. I'll call you. There's just a couple of things we probably need to work out before we, sure. This is a good idea. Yes. And if we decide that this is a good idea, this shape shifter is this, do I understand correctly? This is someone you will provide. Yeah. I got his file right here.
00:42:00
Speaker
He sucks. He is being trained up for the specific assignment. This option has been provided to him and he knows this is a possible outcome and he is more than happy to have that happen so that his family
00:42:16
Speaker
will be taken care of. Okay. Yeah, sure. I mean, right. I mean, Hob's looking to Eris and to Milo and to Rainard. Hob's happy to go along with this if that's what they want to do. I think we need to follow up on some things. Sure. Yes. Sounds like it could be a viable option, but I'm with Eris. All right.
00:42:36
Speaker
Yeah, Eris, you know how to get in touch with me. And if you all have any questions, bring me up. Yes. Well, Koldor, thank you for all your help. I'm quite unfortunate that Vigo is out. Yeah, that's what I'm about to go continue dealing with. So not Vigo being out, but how that was able to happen. So yeah, it's a bad day. Bad day all around. Have we not solved that particular problem?
00:43:03
Speaker
We're very affordable. Noted. We might throw you that one for a real discount, actually. All right. See y'all later. And Coldor gets up out of his chair, turns, takes one step, and then vanishes. That's cool. Now, you think he was just lurking around invisible downstairs waiting for us to walk in so we could make that entrance? More than likely. I'm real concerned he's lurking around right here invisible right now.
00:43:26
Speaker
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