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OAWB with Jeff Hurr Designs
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Go On A Water Break with Jeff Hurr & Chris Lewis of Jeff Hurr Designs. Whitney and Duffy dive deep into the beginnings of the company and how some of the most amazing props were made
Guests:
Jeff Hurr - @jeff_hurr_designs
Chris Lewis - @jeff_hurr_designs
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Transcript
Introduction to 'On A Water Break'
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of season two of On A Water Break, the podcast where we talk about everything you and your friends are talking about at rehearsal on a water break.
Meet Jeff Herr Designs Team
00:00:09
Speaker
I'm Whitney and I'm here with the amazing guys behind Jeff Herr Designs and some of the most amazing props you've ever seen. Eight off the Met and go. Welcome to On A Water Break. The podcast where we talk everything marching arts.
00:00:29
Speaker
Everyone, bring it in. It's time for a water break. Hey, everyone.
Special Guest: David Duffy
00:00:36
Speaker
We have someone super exciting hanging out on the sidelines with us today. But before we get to the main guest, I just knew this person would have to join me for this interview. It's the amazing David Duffy. Hey, how's it going, everybody? Hey, Dan. That's the most applause I've gotten in quite some time.
00:00:58
Speaker
Duffy, can you tell us um the story of how you met Jeff and how you know the amazing Jeff Herr? Yeah, that's a great story actually. So I was hired to design for West Johnston in North Carolina the very first year that it opened and then with the promise of like possibly moving down there. So The second year of the school that was open, the principal hired me as the assistant band director. There were hardly enough kids in the program to have two directors, but she was so pro-fine arts and pro-band that she was like, she hired me, and and I had to move down to North Carolina. so
00:01:38
Speaker
The band director at the time, Lance Britt, said, hey, we're gonna I'll send somebody up to move you. And then the person that came up to move me from Virginia to North Carolina was Jeff Herr. And that's how we met. like That's the initial meeting of Dave Duffy. And and Jeff, you were the band were weren't you the band booster president? In the second year, not in the first.
00:02:02
Speaker
Yeah, so the year that I came down there, you're getting ready to be the Bambisha president, which is, yeah. So that's how we met. And then we started designing, and we were designing actually the shirt that Jeff has on right now. we I know this is like a podcast, you can't see it, but he has the H2O shirt on. and So we were doing a show called H2O, The Properties of Water.
Innovative Show Designs
00:02:22
Speaker
And we wanted to kind of like, have these water walls, kind of like what Kennesaw Mountain use, but like, I think cooler. And so we were talking about how to make these things. And Jeff was like, he literally made like the first one and we went over to see it. And Jeff was like, Hey, well, you know, maybe I'll just like, weld some, we'll put some aluminum things right here, make it artistic, whatever. I was like, okay.
00:02:45
Speaker
weld as in like aluminum. He's like, yeah, yeah. I was like, like, you can make this like, so it's not like a million trillion pounds. He was like, oh yeah, sure, sure. So we went to eat somewhere. And then we came back like an hour later, it was me and Michael Townsend. And we came back and Jeffrey had fixed this thing. And I was like, okay, this is a game changer. Like you can, you can do that. And so it was like a band parent that could do these things. You know, well mostly at every time everybody was using like,
00:03:13
Speaker
like PVC and trying to like duct tape everything together. And the next thing you know, we're like, we're like, got these like water walls that are like the coolest thing ever that everybody was like, Ooh, yeah. I think we won that. I think we won our shows that first year ships simply because the water walls were so cool, but that's it. That's, that's the story. And then after that, Jeff heard just became artistic. Jeff heard AKA West Johnston band parent. They can make incredible things.
00:03:42
Speaker
Sure did. Duffy, I don't think I knew that Jeff moved you to North Carolina. I don't think I knew that. but I just thought about that. Because when when we were talking about like how we met, I was like, well, you know what? like Jeffrey literally loaded my IKEA. I had like IKEA things I hadn't even opened up in my house, like opened up and and where you know where my where my mom lived. And so I like it was pulling stuff off the carport. Remember, Jeff? I was like, pull on yeah that up. Let's take that. you know ah Buffy, are those your notifications that are going off? I don't know how to turn those off. Oh my goodness. I know, I'm sorry. Somebody help this guy. I don't know how to do it. So, Jeff, how so how are you connected to the West Johnston program?
Jeff Herr's Family and Band Involvement
00:04:29
Speaker
and People might not know about your daughters.
00:04:32
Speaker
yeah Well, I started with Lance Britt, who was kind of our Harold Hill for band. And he had gone to the middle school that Katie, my middle daughter, Chris's wife, was going to. And he was pitching the idea of the kids going into marching band in high school. So sure enough, she came home that night and said, I want to do Color Guard. And sure enough, so it was off to the races.
00:05:01
Speaker
We had no clue, Leanne and I, my wife, had no clue what band was about. She started sewing flags and cooking for the band. That was eight years of doing that with two daughters, Katie and Lily. And then I was doing props. My work at the time was kind of slow. And, you know, Duffy, you referenced me coming to pick you up. In that second year when I was BPA president,
00:05:27
Speaker
i I calculated that I had contributed in excess of 2000 hours to the marching band, which was a 40 hour week for 52 weeks, or 50 weeks anyway. I was over the top, and so was Leanne and the rest of the family. but Emily, our oldest daughter, who is a few years older than Katie, couldn't believe that we were as into it. I love these dings that we're hearing.
00:05:57
Speaker
So em Emily couldn't believe that we were as exuberant about band as we were. But Katie kind of got it
From Props to Artistry
00:06:05
Speaker
started. And then my work being slow, I got in and started building props. And early in the early days, it was mostly steel. Then it evolved into aluminum. And we almost never used wood and PVC, which is a material of choice for a lot of groups. but Yeah, and Duffy showed up and he had this goal, this mission of going to the moon. You know, everything was going to be big. It was going to be dramatic. And the nice thing about Duffy is that he he's telling a story and he's sharing that with the kids. And Leanne and I really kind of fell in love with the idea of the fact that
00:06:47
Speaker
uh that Duffy was teaching our kids you know not just music but here are all these life lessons and so and Lansbury it was the same way you know so uh we got on board right away but as you guys know uh it's probably 20 percent or maybe 25 percent of a band parent group that does all the work you know and the other ones stay behind and uh you know, sit in the car waiting for the kids to get done with rehearsal. And I feel for those parents because they miss so much of, you know, what their kids are doing. And Leanne and I saw this as an opportunity to kind of capture an extra four years of our kids' lives. And otherwise they'reing they're going off and doing their own thing and we'd be kind of left out of it. So,
00:07:41
Speaker
you know, Katie did it for four years and Lily followed right behind that. and And we wouldn't trade it for the world. It was, you know, a boatload of work, but but it was well worth it every every step of the way. And duck I attribute Duffy, who I think of as my Obi-Wan Duffy, you know, he's the one that, you know, is the mentor that got me started. And it as it turns out,
00:08:10
Speaker
kind of opened the door for me to doing sculpture. yeah Because before that, all my stuff was more practical. ah You know, furniture, trade show displays, houses.
00:08:24
Speaker
you know, framing houses and doing trim and boxing and siding and cabinetry. two responses but Cool Cool sconces. Yeah. And and then it then it became, in the 90s, it was mostly steel, you know, furniture and accessory kind of things. And then the 2000s hit and Katie was off in the band and Duffy showed up and boom, it was off to the races. And so now whenever,
00:08:52
Speaker
whenever we're not producing props, which is not often, it's about a month and a half of downtime in September and October. That's what I'm doing is building sculpture. So thank you, David.
00:09:06
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, some people might say like, I abused you, or I don't know. It's just that you you you were able to make all those dreams and all those things come to life. You know what I'm saying? like And and then again, it actually happened. Sorry. like It actually happened.
00:09:22
Speaker
oh
00:09:25
Speaker
The year before I even moved to West Johnston, because we were doing Winter Guard, and my independent Winter Guard, that Whitney marched. But the year before that, the study, we were only around the first year we were in A class, then the first year of West Johnston was the first year of Katie and Jeff. They were in Winter Guard, but they were kind of like a little sister group to the study when they were in open class. And Jeff actually was the one that helped like figure out the whole like water thing that we did. Like, I mean, that was like for way back in its time in 2003 was like, what? I mean, but you know, WGI lost its mind when people were pouring water on Adam Dalton, you know what I'm saying? And like just the the whole phobia thing. and And that was Jeff. Jeff like figured all that out simply by me going like this. Hey, Jeff, I don't even really know you, but can you figure that out? And it just got figured out. And it was like,
00:10:21
Speaker
you know And that's kind of the way, I don't know, there's kind of the way the whole relationship kept going all the way all the way through those West Johnson years. It was like, okay, well, this is the problem and this is what it needs to be. Can you just figure it out? And then I would turn around and next thing you know, Jeff had figured it out. And then Chris was along and all of a sudden next thing you know, Chris had just figured it out and I didn't have to worry about it. And so yeah, I mean, some people might say that that's like parent abuse, I don't know.
00:10:49
Speaker
but Well, if I could interject here that you didn't just abuse me, you abused everybody. guy No, no, I'm serious. Are we roasting me right now? yeah wow Just kidding. It's actually the roast of David Duffy. This is not a about Jeff and Chris. do like There's going to be like 3000 people that are going to join this call in a minute. god I got something to say. Oh my gosh.
00:11:16
Speaker
oh my god we we thoroughly enjoyed, you know, the whole thing, you know, and we got to travel with the band and, you know, support them in ways that were meaningful to us, you know, got to go to the Macy's parade and and march on the route and march the Rose Bowl parade. You know, how many pain parrots get to do that? I know a boatload, but ah no, we just we had a great time.
00:11:46
Speaker
and And every time I get to i get the chance to meet up with band parents that are coming to pick up props, you know, they're just as youthful and exuberant about band as we were when we were first getting started. You know, what and what a cool thing that we got to support these kids. And and now when Chris and I and and his brother Sean and Katie, who works with us full-time, we get to build props and be able to support these kids that are having these kind of life-changing experiences you know from their adolescence, and all of a sudden, they're they're getting they're getting to think outside the box.
Collaborations with Drum Corps
00:12:28
Speaker
So again, back to Lance and to you, David. Thanks thanks for opening that door for us.
00:12:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:12:40
Speaker
ah Chris, let's get your 32 count life story. So yeah and if you're ready, I don't even know if he's here anymore. Steven, is there a Steven? Okay. Okay. um So let's do Chris's a 32 count life story. You'll get ah eight counts and you're in.
00:13:02
Speaker
god All right, so basically I followed my brother around when he was a marching band. I was in third grade. I went to West Barrette High School. well And then we were like the best band in North Carolina. And then Wes Johnson came along with Duffy and we started clashing. And I heard from my instructor that Duffy was out for us and we were in a clash. And and then After high school, I went to Boston, I worked with Procter Boston, and then the next year, Katie Mark Boston, and then we met, got married, and that's what I do now. He quit his ink, but he didn't quit because he's got two engineering jobs in addition to working here with Jeff Hurdesigns.
00:13:45
Speaker
But he he does most all of the design and engineering, cut leting makes the cut lists, and does CAD drawings, and communicates with the customers, and takes that load off of me, which used to be all me doing it now. I just get to build stuff, which is my dream. So thank you, Chris. Nice. Chris, I'm not sure that I knew that you marched Boston.
00:14:13
Speaker
Well, so I didn't march. I was a, I was a woodwind player. Uh, and I had some friends that were marching Boston and they were homesick. And I happen to know the tour director of Boston and she was like, why don't you come travel? We've got some props. And so like now I recommend every drum corps do this. It's like find woodwind players that are adamant and like love band and like, let them try. They'll pay money to do it. Like I paid like 300 bucks at the time. Yeah. But.
00:14:41
Speaker
I got to travel for the summer with the drum Corps and go to every show and like live the drunk or life. Just didn't have to rehearse. Uh, I mean, it was awesome. And, and then, uh, yeah, I did that for two years and then that was Oh four and Oh five and Katie March Boston. Oh six. Uh, we were always crossing paths. and Then in college we, we met and, um, then I started teaching at West Johnson with her and,
00:15:10
Speaker
She told me her dad makes props. And I was like, yeah, I'm sure he does. Every man dad makes props. I like this guy. Yeah. And then then it turned out, no, he makes them for the drum corps, like for cadets. And, you know, I was like, Oh, okay, let me go check these out. And yeah, and then I started working the shop part time and Katie and I got married and Yeah. i Then I was like, I just got, I got tired of the engineering work and was like, I'm going to do this full time. This is a fun business. It's something I love. You know, if I hadn't been an engineer, I probably would have been a band director. Uh, but it's, so as a way that I could stay in the activity, uh, but still use that side of my brain, you know, the mathematical side of my brain. So, uh, yeah, so it's kind of the best of both worlds now. And I live right behind Jeff. So we,
00:16:02
Speaker
but It's a short walk to the shop and yeah. That's awesome. Jeff, are you ready to do your 32 count life story? Can I interject something? I think we need to go back to hashtag fake news of Wes Carteret and Wes Johnson. That was in Chris's 32 counts of fake news. There was never a clash. Wes Carteret was a thing and then Wes Johnson stole its crown. in the That's right. All right. Yeah. That's a blast. Fact checking. Fact checking by David. I'd have been on y'all's end, not on ours. Stephen, are you ready for Jeff's 32 counts? OK.
00:16:56
Speaker
Um. I had a really creative mother. My dad was also creative. All my siblings, our two older brothers, and one younger s sister, they were very creative. I've been making things since the early days. And when I say that, I mean maybe 10 years old. Started out finding houses, lived with an architect when I went to design school at NC State. And he was another one of those mentors like Guppy.
00:17:23
Speaker
and run Just had an opportunity to work on wood framing of houses, cabinetry, trim, furniture, wood furniture, then metal furniture, and then that slowed down, then Katie got into band and And here we are. you know a For me, it's about, I don't know, that on average, probably 80 hours a week of production in the shop, whether it's on props or some other project. But it's just this need to be creative in making things. And so I fully suspect that I probably want
00:18:02
Speaker
ever retire I'll always be making something as long as I'm physically able. And thus far I've been blessed with, you know, body that does what I want it to do. Love that. You, you took advantage of your 32 counts and I think you did like 164 counts, but it's okay. You can have as many counts as you want. I'm not the musician type like Chris. I saw him like, he was like, okay, that's, that's your cue.
00:18:33
Speaker
yeah Okay, we're going to take a quick break and once Jeff and Chris have shown the parents how to put the props together, we'll set up at the opener. Be right back with the what his what are we doing in Gush and Go.
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00:20:05
Speaker
All right, Chris, do you have a ah gush and go? Anything you guys want to talk about? I mean, you know, we're just excited for DCI finals. We're going to go like we've decided to make a, you know, we never went to any shows. So we're now making an annual thing. You go to DCI i finals ah so we can see some props. We did props for 10 groups this year, uh, eight, eight of the top 12. Uh, so,
00:20:35
Speaker
Yeah, we're excited to go see, you know, as many as we can. And, uh, you know, just take a break too. It's like, we don't have the time to do it, but we're going to take the time because we think we, you know, it's exciting for us. We love, we love the activity. So, uh, yeah, it's, it's what we enjoy. Like we look forward to DCI season and and watching all the shows cause we've been involved in it since November of last year. So. Right. Yeah.
00:21:04
Speaker
Jeff, will you tell us which drum cores you guys did props for this year? Uh, Boston blue coats, Cavaliers, uh, crown scouts, Colts, Colts, blue, blue stars spirit. Uh, we're missing some battalion was an open class. Um, Phantom Phantom. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:31
Speaker
And the beauty of that is we get to work you know like the early days with Duffy. And even today, we still work with Duffy on on various high school projects. But you know we get to work with some of the most talented people in the industry. And that's that's a real boost for us you know to get to hang out with some of these people.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yeah, I think what I love about it is, ah like like I said, in November, we're getting the calls about like, hey, do you think this is a possibility? And then as the conversation goes on, like we know what but like where everybody's going to end up, you know what the final thing is, because it's like it needs to be a part of the prop or it needs to evolve throughout the season. And so we've gotten the the lay of the land of where it's going to end.
00:22:21
Speaker
You know where everybody's going to end up like they've already given you the placements. Knowing how you't progress and and knowing where we're you know know one that crown is going to come out with the flame, you know ah all those types of things.
00:22:38
Speaker
like you got that the you You know where we're going to end up. kind of Spoiler alert. So we should all just come to you guys for for the the hot goss. That's right. What's funny is is that usually I get to see the hers mid like somewhere around the 4th of July. And so I go there, we hang out, we talk about it. And so things i haven't sussed themselves out. The one thing I was going to ask about was, I was like, really? like You guys, y'all didn't make those phantom props to spin?
00:23:06
Speaker
and like it's so funny and then like the next thing you know it's like shabam! They spin! I'm like yes! And that would be my question go is like Phantom regiments like you know the spinning cubes whatever those are so awesome like every time I see it it just like it makes me giggle and smile. And then yeah like they're just spinning cues. But it's one of those great i moments of like music and energy and what the core is doing. And then they start spinning. And you're like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, I don't know. Just makes me smile. That one makes me smile. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff, do you have a gush and go? Or is DCI i finals your' your something that you're excited about?
00:23:52
Speaker
Oh, were definitely excited about that. And like Chris said, we don't have time to go, but we're making time. We've got, what, 25 bands that we're doing prompts for. And I'm afraid we probably are going to disappoint a few with the timing of getting them delivered. But you know we've got to take a little bit of a break, because when you're working 80 to 90 hours a week, it's just it's it's time for a break. but great ahead Do you want to let them know right now? who Like who should be expecting their props? Like like you just tell them now. We've got nine groups left to finish before long. so Okay. Well, if you want to say any names, like we can just tag them. Does their area code start with a seven? I'm looking off this phone call.
00:24:43
Speaker
ah a No, uh, I think,
Artistic Expression in Drum Corps
00:24:49
Speaker
I just, one of my things about band or the way this thing is going, I love the, how creative Drum Corps has gotten, you know, it's gotten away from the real regimented, uniformed militaristic look, you know, and it's gotten way more artist to me, way more artistic. And to me, they're pushing the boundaries, which I love being a part of.
00:25:16
Speaker
I remember back in the early days Duffy wanted us to build one of me to build a 30 foot tall tree because the year before somebody had a 32 foot or 30 foot tall clock tower at BOA finals you know well somebody got hurt apparently when they were disassembling that at the end of the show well I tried building this 30 foot tall 32 foot tall tree And it just wasn't realistic. And I went back to Duffy and said, we just can't do it. So we ended up with a 30 or a 22 foot tall tree. Well, to me, the football field is so big that it needs big props. It needs a big production you know and loud music. And that's one of the things I like about drum corps. It's so dramatic. But ah it seems like out of safety concerns that people are you know trying to cut back a little bit. and
00:26:10
Speaker
That concerns me, but I also realize that with things like Troopers, oil derrick, and calet or crowns, Mount Olympus, you know those are things that we definitely are concerned about, the safety of the kids. And we we make sure that we do our best to make sure that it's safe you know for everybody that's going to be handling it. But so far,
00:26:37
Speaker
To my knowledge. Nobody's been hurt with things that we've made so I keep wanting to do like Duffy would do you know, it's kind of go to the moon Yeah, I mean I you know, I agree the biggest thing about Like it and challenging Jeff to do that is that it's always the scope and scale of it. The football field is so big of a stage um and Yeah, and and I think that's like one of the things that a very early little Dave Duffy age with that I kind of learned from ah Michael Rayford and Carl Lowe. It's just like how to treat things as a stage as you look at it. and just ah when i When I got to work with them at Magic of Orlando, it was like such an eye-opening experience. And it's so funny because then now Michael Rayford is like yeah It does the stuff with you know some stuff with the blue coats. And I know Jeff's gotten to meet him and and work on that side of the thing. And it's just really cool like how that all those to be like to say what Chris is saying, all those like creatives. and And I think a lot of all those people that I know, they all have like different um ways of getting there. And it's just that would be the one part that of like i could if I could be a fly on the wall, at
00:27:50
Speaker
at the hers like to just to like listen to all the different creative people like how they get there I just think that's also something that like I guess maybe that's another podcast or whatever it's just like talking like how people get to their to their zero how they get to their ground zero you understand and because everybody does it differently and so yeah that's cool yeah that's that's the exciting thing is like yeah we get the calls from michael rayford or andy toath or you know keith potter and it's like they're all creating amazing shows but
00:28:28
Speaker
It is, it's all different and and working directly with them, it's like, I start to know, okay, it's Keith, this is what, this is the direction we have to go. This is Michael, like I have to be very particular about what we're doing because he is he is very particular about what it's going to end up like. And so, you know, there's just a different, but it's, yeah, it all comes out and it's all amazing and it's all different and it's all fresh. And yeah, that is the fun part of it. It's seeing how people think. I mean,
00:28:57
Speaker
definitely outside the box of what ah the way I think. I'm like geometric and like, um how am I going to pack this in the truck? That's what I need to figure out. ah How is a kid going to push this out into the field? like you know We can make a greenhouse, but how is this thing going to collapse and fit on your truck every day and be loaded three times a day? and you know Those are the things that and I think about.
00:29:21
Speaker
And that's the one thing that you guys were always so great about. Like you're also, I always tell people, I was like, hey, just so you know, like the, the hers, they're, they're going to, you know, they're going to figure that out. They're not, they're not. Cause there was plenty of times where Jeff was like, we can't fit that on a truck like that. It's not possible. And I'm like, what do you mean it's not possible? He's like, it's not possible. And I'm like, okay, well what is possible? You know what I'm saying? Cause that, that in my mind, I don't even think about that. Like I just go, okay, well it'll get there somehow. I don't know, you know,
00:29:50
Speaker
Yeah, but luckily, there are people like you guys that like think that through and instead of like, you know, whatever 3075 foot tree, I don't care. Yeah. let's not attach it To the bus. That's fine. just pull it behind the bus flat um Duffy, do you have a What are we doing? What are we doing?
00:30:20
Speaker
What are we doing so anything you If it's going to deal with props, I would say this. like Don't just have a prop just to have it. It needs to be make sure it's part it's part of the design holistically. That would be the thing. that And a lot of people get this prop, and they think this, oh, and the prop's goingnna like it's going to solve their problem. And it's like, no, it doesn't solve your problem unless it's well-designed into what you're doing.
00:30:50
Speaker
I'm saying, and there's a reason for it. And so that that would be the thing that I would like you know would say, what are we doing? It's just make sure that it's it's well. it's and And again, it's not that's not up to the prop designer. That's not up to that person to make that part. they They're going to build the prop. You've got to make it be a part of the show. It's not the prop's fault. yeah It's just doing what people have planned it to do, if that makes sense.
00:31:19
Speaker
you know and And the last little thing is like, um you know, you saw solving any problem is like, like shouldn't DCI already be over? I'm just saying. Like, can't we make the season shorter? Is there any DCI person listening? Sorry. I'm just saying. I'm a band director. Listen, I just, I want my kids, I want them to have a break. And I know school's starting to start, you know, global warming, even if that is fake news or whatever. I mean, it's like,
00:31:47
Speaker
you know, I don't know, I just think the drunk wars are great. And do we really need all these extra weeks? And so I agree, honestly, like when I was at San Antonio, like a lot of like the top seven or so I was like, is this DCI finals? Like, we could just we could just call it a season here. And that, you know, that was the 20th of July it was like,
00:32:08
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and and whatever And whatever else they have to give, all those designers that are drum corps designers, I mean, they're all so incredible. like it doesn't matter Like if you told them that they had two less weeks, they would still get the the group to where they need to be.
00:32:25
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yeah Given the last time, Scott Chandler will still make the Blue Devils be fabulous yeah even if he has two weeks left. Michael Townsend will still bring you the best colored art ah in known creation jim saying with two last weeks. Same with with with the horn people and the drum people and all those people.
00:32:43
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you know and And then there's two less weeks of travel and housing. And you know I know that's such a a headache, and it's it's easy to be an armchair, DCI, whatever I am. But that that would be my one thing. It's like, if there's anybody listening, you just send this to anybody. It's like, please, like come on. So there you go. That's my water what are what are we doing? What are we doing? Chris, do you have a what are we doing?
00:33:13
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Hmm I don't know I kind of going on with what Duffy's saying about you know the props of it's like We we can do a lot we can do most anything But you have to you have to know what you want ah and and we can help you get there But you can't just like, like Debbie said, expect us to come up with all the functionality. We're going to ask you the questions. I'm like, do you want people to climb on it? You know, doesn't need to be easy to push. Uh, but there's a lot of groups that aren't thinking about, Oh, it's going to take two kids to push this, or it's going to take four kids to push this and manipulate it. And it's like, you know, a lot of kids are frustrated with having to push furniture around, uh, you know, but
00:34:03
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You know, like somebody told me, it's not, it's not our fault that it's that way. It's, you know, you got to teach those kids the proper way, how to, you know, how to move these props and do those things. We try to make it as easy as possible, but, uh, you know, it's still, it's, it's a new experience. It's like, we push it, the three of us in the shop every day and it's easy for us. We know how they move and manipulate, but teenagers, 14, 15 year olds, like,
00:34:31
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you got to teach them how this thing functions oh But, you know, yeah, go ahead, Duffy. And if I may ah interrupt, usually the kids that are pushing the probs, if their extras are usually um maybe not the... Top tier, just say it. They're not the top tier kids in the band. They're the freshmen. They're the alternates. They're going to need a little extra love. Yeah. Yeah. this thing functions.
00:35:02
Speaker
And by love, I mean, gentle pushing to do it right. And by that, I mean, maybe some yelling. but Well, well, that was like I think for Jeff, going back to meeting Duffy, like that's the great thing about Duffy is Duffy, like the thing we talk about often in the shop is it has to work 100 percent of the time. Yes. and Work 75 percent of the time. And so we have to constantly think, like, can a 14 year old do this?
00:35:30
Speaker
And it not fail. Yes. ah You know, like, that's, that's a realistic thing that we have to think through. And you can want the world, but there's also other, there's downstream effects of how we have to build and how we have to make it. And then that costs more money sometimes. you know like Yeah, i'll I'll often say all the time, I'm like, okay, well, you know, this isn't something that's being built for um New York City stage, because if that's what you want, there's a whole different price tag on that one. Right. A whole different, yeah, fan booster can't afford it price tag on. Yeah, it's it's that constant, like, okay, we can make it work 100% of the time, but it's not going to be
00:36:15
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remote control, spinny, do all this stuff, like, that's not going to happen. You're going to have to, like, we have to simplify some things. Manpower. Manpower is needed. Yeah. Like the Bluecoats kids, they are pushing those stages all over the field constantly. Like that's, and that's just a whole other layer of production too. Like you have to have somebody that's literally dedicated If you have moving props, you have to have somebody that's dedicated to just, just the props, like something else happens. That's their job. Yeah. There's 32 of those things and they weren't light. And they're not like, I mean, they're, I mean, we spent a long time just figuring out where the casters were going to be placed so that they could step anywhere on it and not think about it. Did tipping. It was a lot of like, can we get one more half inch?
00:37:08
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Like we just need a half inch so that they can step and not think about it. And I mean, it was a law, a lot of back and forth. And that's the side that other band directors don't see. And they just think, Oh yeah, it'll happen. It'll work great. It's like, no, like that was Michael Rayford on the phone with me.
00:37:26
Speaker
and Like take a video of you guys Can you get six people to step on this at one time and it not tip over? No, you can't do that. Okay, I'll shift the casters a little bit more You know, so's how lot there's a lot that goes into it. Yeah, that's a lot of moving. That's a lot of moving parts literally um Jeff do you have a what are we doing? I'd say ah When band directors and core directors and and indoor performing groups too, and when the directors come to us, if they come to us early enough, we usually have an easier time to kind of massage through all the the iterations to get to that final ah design.
00:38:11
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thats That's, to me, probably one of the biggest things. But getting to work with some of these fantastic people is It's just all inspiring, you know.
00:38:25
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um
00:38:29
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I don't wanna see props go away, but i'm I'm afraid for the kind of money that people are spending on props. I know that because we came from kind of a ah relatively poor rural area when when we were at West Johnston and we had to work our butts off to afford props. And there's a lot of groups I think that would probably come to us except that they know that that we're out of their league or out of their price range.
00:38:59
Speaker
and I hate that for a lot of groups because we want to help anybody that walks in the door but it's it's scary to see how much money some groups are spending but you know back to that point of ah the way props are used I think like Duffy was saying if you can Create energy with the way props are used. And instead of just presenting them and flipping them around and then flipping them back, that's OK. But if you can you know have kids climb on them and perform on them in different ways and create kind of a third dimension and assemble them in different configurations, I think that's that to me is a good designer's job. you know And again, we're we're lucky to be
00:39:51
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ah hooked up with a ah lot of designers that think that way. you know Phantom's a good good example of that. yeah It's not just a prop that moves from here to over here. It's used in a variety of ways, which I think is really creative. what um Jeff, what are some of your favorite props that you guys have made? I look back and I think the tree for Rock River Tree at West Johnston, I thought that was and for early on was a really good one. they The props was a kind of a creative challenge and an engineering challenge too because it had water in between two layers of plexiglass and the first attempt you know bulged out and almost broke the plexiglass but that and
00:40:44
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I did props for, back when it was just me, for Cary High School here locally, and they were ah Easter Island heads. And I thought those those were so cool. Yeah, expressive. are Very cool. Yeah. Crown's Stagecoach was another one of my favorites. Love that one. I remember taking a selfie with that in the, like, in Lucas Oil. It was like, Helen. Do you know they named her Helen? Oh, yeah? Yeah.
00:41:15
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ah i' start but um I think the downside of props for blue coats and the tilt props had a great energy and created a more three dimensional show, which I really related to. But, you know, there's there's I can't I can't think of the others, but there's there's dozens that I would want to include in my portfolio for sure. Battle on from Santa Clara. Yeah.
00:41:42
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but on I mean, like that's what I like is something that's so simple. Like it's such a simple idea, but there's like the intricacy and and that it takes and like the amount of time that we sat and like, where does each caster have to be so that these things move independently, but then can pull out and free like nest. Yeah. There's so many things, but like everybody loved that.
00:42:07
Speaker
And it's, and that's what, I mean, Phantom's prop is that way this year. Uh, it's just so versatile. Um, yeah. I mean, i I think the Phantom props do remind me of the Babylon props a little, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like, I mean, there's so, so many people that we do work with. I think that, you know, if they think through like, okay, I'm going to use this for a drunk or then I can sell it to my high, one of my high school groups, like, and they can do,
00:42:36
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And yeah, I already know how it works. I know how many people it takes to push it around. Like we like to see a prop have many lives, uh, because sometimes we just like, I can tell you, we don't want to make Mount Olympus again. We don't want to make, you know, a lot of these things and because it's just, we've done it. We want to do something different. We, I think the one problem we've made the most is the blue coat, uh, tilt props, like We've made those for probably seven or eight groups. I look for the country, but you know now it's like, okay, we're let's do something else.
00:43:11
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hu
00:43:14
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oh Is that a portfolio that you have in front of you? We kept talking about the tree and there's a picture of Jeff next to the tree. Yeah. massive Yeah. And then on the other side of these this, notice was the water wall. Do you have pictures of everything that you've ever made?
00:43:32
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Uh, no, well, I mean, this is just portfolio that he's got just kind of all sorts of things, but well, we're trying to use our website now as the portfolio. So it's like, we don't have to keep taking pictures because it's hard. Like we take pictures in the shop and it just, when it was finished work, like the tree, it's like, yeah, that take a picture of that. It looks great. But now when it leaves us, we don't have the time to do the finish work. So.
00:44:00
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it looks kind of bland and sterile. And so then seeing the way they end up is, you know, that's what we want pictures of. Yeah. And that's one of the things that I think I would change with the activity is that nowadays, since like Chris said, we're not doing the finished work on props, all we do is manufacture it and send it out and we leave it to the grandparents or to the core to either add, you know, printed vinyl or, you know, painting them.
00:44:30
Speaker
And a lot of them, I think, get underdone. A lot of it ends up just being silver aluminum. And aluminum is a material of choice these days for a variety of reasons. But I would love to see some of these groups get more creative with their finished work. That's a good what are we doing?
00:44:50
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well Yeah, but that but again like count point counterpoint, I mean Jeffrey like my favorite prop That's one of the ones that I was like, come on mention it. Come on. Mention it. Come on. Mention it. What is uh is Hendrickson the the yarn ball? Oh, yeah. Oh my god that that that prop is like but You know, it's also like, what also part of this like um episode now is also as where's Waldo. If anybody has seen that ball, does anybody know where that ball is? Please contact Gabe Guppy or Jennifer, please let me know where that is. Cause it's like I'm Gollum and that's my precious. i I like, I want that ball back so bad to use. And we use it for three shows. I think we kept joking about that. We're going to keep using this prop until they put us into BOA San Antonio finals. We were just like, but but again, the first year we skinned it, we made it look like a yarn ball. We like covered it. Then the next year we painted it and we left it, which was beautiful, like not covered. And we used it like an earth.
00:45:52
Speaker
Like, I mean, it was just the coolest thing. And it it kind of it like Madison's ball from last year, kind of a knockoff. But like it's kind of like that. And like I know that Cedar Park used it like it was their son for their Icarus show. Like somebody else used it. If anybody has that ball, I want it. yeah And you we really don't know where it is. That's crazy.
00:46:19
Speaker
No, I really don't if anybody knows. we Yeah. Because that that prop was, I mean, again, like what Jeffrey's saying, that pop, that was not aluminum. That was wasn't that steel, Jeff? you Yeah. Yeah. It was like, that was like a a ride at Disney World. It was made like a kid had to get hoisted into it. I mean, it was crazy how safe that ball was. um ah But I mean, that ball was beautiful skinned and not skinned, you know like covered and not covered. It really was beautiful. So from some of that, Jeff, I just think some of that stuff they all do is so beautiful that it doesn't necessarily, I mean, I get it. I get the finish work, but yeah give yourself credit too. Like the work is so great that y'all do. It is. Oh, thank you. you know it's it's so that's why ah yeah That's why what I love about it.
00:47:12
Speaker
yeah I think that's kind of like your staple too. like I feel like I can pick out a her design easily because it's it's probably made of aluminum. you know like I feel like it's easier for me, but I you know i i know your work now for like 20 years. so And I've used it many different places. So I don't know. I like that. like I'm like, oh, that's Jeff her. you know like So I like what but Duffy's saying about that.
00:47:39
Speaker
Well, I also feel like if they if they ever, if you watch somebody ah ah somebody struggle, like trying to get it into the door or getting it through somewhere, it's like, that's not a her prop. It is surely not because Jeff bur and Chris have thought about how this goes through this. I know they have. So if that prop is not getting through, it's like, yep, that's not a her prop. I guarantee. you theres it There's going to be an interesting one at BOA this year that We did. ah It'll be fun to watch. I mean, I think it's awesome the way that it has to go through the gate. but And then all of a sudden it's going to transform into this whole other thing. If they do it the way that we envisioned it, it'll be awesome. Did you make a transformer? Is someone doing a transformer show? It has that feel. It does have that feel. And really, they came to pick it up, and we hadn't tried that feature of it. We knew how we wanted this thing to work.
00:48:37
Speaker
And we said, we need to try this before we send it off. And we started taking a few, we took a few pieces out and then all of a sudden it did exactly what we thought it would. And it was like, oh, this is awesome. It's going to be so much fun to see these long skinny things roll out. And then all of a sudden they become this massive whole other thing. I can't even imagine what this is. Is this a potential finalist band?
00:49:04
Speaker
They've been close. I think they've made finals, yeah. Okay. Don't feel no regroup. Yeah. Spoilers. They used to come to Cary Bandes. Don't say it. I won't. Okay. No, that's a tribute to engineering abilities that Chris has. He thinks in three dimensions and he and he can break it down into panels and you know different components and render it in CAD. I love the fact that I can walk away from this business today and Chris and Katie and his brother Sean will make this thing work.
00:49:50
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you know, right on. and And now their seven year old, eight year old daughter and four year old son are the heir apparent after they take over. so This thing's got a life of its own, but I never
Legacy of Prop-Making
00:50:06
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imagined. my my My eight-year-old went to a theater camp last week on prop building and stage setting. And I was explaining to her what the camp was about. And she said, so after I do Winter Guard, can I come work in the shop with you guys? Absolutely, you can. Yeah. Oh, my God. Please, dear Lord, let me live long enough to see that.
00:50:30
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ah
00:50:34
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oh Wow. Yeah. We need her under your tutelage too, though. I don't know about that. One was enough, Jeffrey. Yeah. Yeah. One Katie is enough. Is she in the room with you right now, Katie? Oh, no. Love you.
00:50:48
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yeah ah oh um Do you have um like a ah most expensive prop? Which one, or a hardest prop to come up with?
00:51:05
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oh what and North of $50,000, not for A-Pro, but for a drum corps, for example. On marching band, what, 40 something this year? Yeah, yeah about 42. To me, that's too much. But you know I'm also on the other side of that. I want to go big too.
00:51:32
Speaker
But but yeah it's like we're only giving them what they asked for. it's not We're not sitting here saying, yeah, let's do more, and more, and more. it's like They came and said, this is what we want. And it's like, OK, well, let us think through it. And oh and you know some groups can handle that. Some groups can't. And and we want to work with all of them. you know We want to work with you know, West Johnston still. We want to work with, you know, Vandy grip. So we want to work on both ends of the spectrum. Uh, and because at the end of the day, it's kids having like what I remember being the best experience of high school, where I showed up my freshman year and I had 200 friends and I knew my way around the school. And like, and I wasn't like the other freshmen because they hadn hadn't had that experience of band camp. Uh, and
00:52:29
Speaker
you know It's all I talk about with my friends. like I just had my 20 year reunion and it was like, where are the band kids? Let's have a band reunion. Let's have a high school reunion. ah And so it's just that it' that part of it that i like we love. It's like seeing these kids. like I wish we could be there when it comes off the truck. There's some bands that take a video of it. and why just You can sense the excitement.
00:52:58
Speaker
And that's, that's what it is. Like, that's what we love about it. It's remembering that all of the props I had when I was in high school were painted core plaster on two by fours. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't what we're doing now, but it was just as great of an experience. Do you, do you guys like think about the fact that you've kind of, uh,
00:53:22
Speaker
honestly revolutionized band and Winter Guard and Drum Corps. like Do you have any bearing on that? Do you understand that? I think it's a reality. It's something that we don't dwell on because for me, it's and I think Chris too, it's not about what we've what we've done, it's what we're getting ready to do. and I love the fact that you know, there's something creative right around the corner that we get to build. And, you know, for me, the most more artistic, the better. But that's not for everybody. And a lot of people just want, you know, a basic stage or, you know, 20 of them. and And that's what we do. But more creative, more artistic, the better, as far as I'm concerned.
00:54:14
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's fun. I think for us, we get, like, if we spend more than, much more than a week doing a project, we get really bored. Or we're like really frustrated because it's like, uh, yeah, I got to come back and do like, I got to bend this again. Or, you know, it's the same piece. Uh, but, uh, I mean, having grown up watching DCI and like seeing where it's gone, it's like,
00:54:44
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You can see the delineation of like, Oh, there's where Jeff starts making props. And then, you know, 2014 you hit tilt with glucose and it's like, okay, this is a complete, I remember sitting in the, uh, you know, theater on quarter finals night watching and going, Oh my God. Like it's something completely different. And, and yeah, it's, it's awesome. now And now that's what we get excited for. Like it's harder.
00:55:14
Speaker
with marching band to get excited because there's so many and it's everywhere. But DCI, we've got this tour we can follow. Same thing with Winter Guard. Like you have to be on Flow March and watching, you know, the Tucson regional. Yeah. It's hard to follow, but like with DCI, there's, we can check it out. It's a little bit easier to follow. So that, I think that's why we get excited about it. What are, um, what are some of your favorite like Winter Guard ah props that you've done? I think probably anything that we've done for Pride of Cincinnati, you know, those were all exciting projects. I mean, the weight of the world was somewhat more expressive, fun, creative. those are Those were all beautiful. um You know, the
00:56:06
Speaker
anti-gravity. That was, audio you know, that was fun to figure out. The balance beam, the balance beam had so many lives with Constitution Drumline and then moving on to, I think they used it twice and then it moved on to West Johnston. yeah And then it got rented to several different groups. I love that, you know, when props get, you know, I have a new life and get, you know, reim reimagined how it's going to be used. And I remember we didn't want any of that stuff to just like end up in the trash. You know, it's like you spent so much time on it. Somebody spent a lot of money on it and you want to see it have multiple lives. And most of it is like plenty durable enough to make it through many years. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Maybe that's another. Maybe that's another segue for me to say if anybody knows where that ball is.
00:57:05
Speaker
i really I really want that ball back. say Is it going to go in your front yard? Like, is it going in your apartment? like i'll I'll figure out something. I'll put it in your front yard. I don't know. Yeah, sorry. they'll put He'll put it in our yard and just come visit it on the front. Yeah. Do you guys have like a prop graveyard at your house? or but It's like the best ever. Yeah, we do. It's I mean, it's a lot of Wes Johnston memorabilia. but Like we've got the the old Lloyd from Carolina Crown show, you know, and two years ago, I guess, ah you know, we've got some we've got the balance beam is back there in the back. Yeah. Yeah, we got all sorts of stuff. Bluecoats. Oh, yeah, we got a big billboard from Bluecoats show with the
00:57:59
Speaker
To wheel the wheel. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's it in the front yard right now. So if anybody wants it, please. Do you guys do like, do you resell resell stuff? Like, do you have a section on your website or anything? Like where?
00:58:15
Speaker
Yeah, we we like try and get people to send you know updated pictures. And if they're trying to sell it, we'll just flag it as being for sale. We don't ask for anything. It's just like, hey, if you're on our site looking for props like or ideas, these are some that are for sale. And contact that person, because they'll be happy to sell it to you. so Nice. That's great. um Do you guys have any any other like closing comments before we wrap it up?
00:58:43
Speaker
Yeah, so what are you up to these days? and I know you're deeply into it, you and Duffy both, but I'm just curious what's happening with you guys. Duffy, you want to go?
00:58:54
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I'm at Colleen High School. I started over with a band program that is up in near Fort Cavazos, which is the the nation's largest army base, which is kind of cool. And ah it's a smaller band program. I'm having a really good time. We just finished our ah band camp long days. We're now getting ready to go to our short days, which is weird because I'm sure in Texas, everybody's like, what?
00:59:18
Speaker
But just the way our school is, we really can only do our short days starting now. So we'll only, her this is like Texas Bandcamp is on tomorrow because tomorrow's August 1st, tomorrow's the day everybody can put drill on the field. So tomorrow's like da da da da day, whatever. um But yeah, so I'm there. I'm ah the head band director, which is one of the first times I've done that since I left Virginia, um like even well before Bassett. so um which I'm enjoying. ah you know I've taught for a really long time. I've taught for 35 years. this is my This will be my 36th year ah for teaching. And ah you know every day is an adventure. it It truly is an adventure. And so I do appreciate that. And i've done you know I feel like I've taught at every level imaginable. And I'm still learning. I'm still learning from the kids. so yeah yeah Yeah, it's awesome. So it's fun.
01:00:18
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I'm currently getting climbed on by my restless restless puppies. um i'm ah yeah I live in Austin, Texas still, and get to see your props all the time everywhere. um But I'm i' am ah the color guard director at Round Rock and um Austin High School. So that's that's all I'm doing. It's just that. Yeah, cool. Yeah, yeahp that's about it.
01:00:46
Speaker
ah Question for you. Are you going to DCI finals or no? No, I want to but like it's I mean, it's the last couple days of band camp I'm not teaching anybody like I don't really have any like major connections to DCI right now So we're gonna watch from home
Watching DCI Finals and Contact Info
01:01:02
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Okay. Yeah, I would i i would love to go but is it's it's expensive just to like, you know, we've leaving Texas is expensive um and then you know buying DCI tickets all the things so we're We're going to watch on that ah that flow marching account. There you go. And then I can say and eat and drink whatever I want in my living room. And wear whatever you want. Yes.
01:01:30
Speaker
yep So I wish I would see you guys there. But yeah, not this year. Every year I'm like, oh, maybe I'll go this year. And then yeah I haven't been in a long time. Me as well. it's just not it's just not I'm just not able to go. I mean, I wish. but It's just not possible. It would be too crazy to go up there and come right back and be ready to do everything that you got to do to keep. And it always falls right at the end of band camp for us and then right into the first like day of school. like It's always that weekend somehow, which again, to Duffy's point, if we just had it a couple of weeks earlier, it would be easier for more people to go and not be at the end of band camp and the day before school starts. like it's just
01:02:15
Speaker
It's a lot. So I would love to. But but yeah, we we used to always get a night beat. because it was only two dollars two hours down the road, but ah you know we finally just said, no, we got to make this a bigger deal. like but We'd have a party and we'd do a watch party and watch finals, but it's like, no, let's let's try this. and and so we would Last year was the first year we did it and just loved it. Well, I usually see you guys at WGI. Yeah. We'll always go to WGI. I'll never miss WGI. i but
01:02:47
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DCI is a little bit harder yeah sometimes. um Did you guys go to Nightbeat? No, not this year. I always want to go, but i again, yeah not easy.
01:03:03
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ah Yeah, I think we would accept that we're going to India instead. yeah Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, um thank you guys for a great rehearsal. Thank you. Thank you guys for joining. um Thank you, Duffy, for being my my little co-host. And um where can where can we find you guys online? um Social media, your website, tell us where we can find you. So it's jeffordesigns.com, or I think it's at jeffordesigns on Instagram and Facebook.
01:03:41
Speaker
Yeah. um Follow us, check out, and if you need a prop, go onto the website. You can fill out the form. Get in now for WGI, because we're going to fill up. stuff What about you? Yeah. um I'm on the Facebook.
01:03:59
Speaker
oh no I don't really do social media. like i I have a an Instagram account, I think. to create around and I think I do Dave Duffy designs. I think I have that, but I don't ever, I don't post anything. Um, so yeah. ah So go to the, go to the herb website and then tell them that you want to try to reach me and it's just kind of.
01:04:21
Speaker
Especially if you can find them all. There you go. We're talking as massive people. It's big, big, big, big. 10 feet in diameter. 10 foot sphere. That's a beast. Yes. But no, i don't I don't have that. And so, ah yeah. And I think I'm OK with it. ah Good luck getting in touch with David Duffy. Yes. You know, in general.
01:04:49
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Yeah. we shop we'll We'll make the connection. yeah yeah We should just go and put Duffy's email on our website. yeah Oh my gosh. If you find the ball, please email.
01:05:01
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please
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The On A Water Break podcast was produced by Jeremy Williams and Christine Ream. The intro and outro music was produced by Josh Lyda. To learn more, visit ridamusic.com. And until next time, thanks for tuning in.