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Free Monday Pod - Atalanta On Fire, Juventus & Bologna Clinch Champions League Spot, Leao - Pulisic AC Milan Show & Much More (Ep. 417)
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From Charles De Ketelaere brace when Atalanta beat an exhausted Roma, Thiago Motta historic achievement for Bologna securing Champions League football, Max Allegri's Juventus limp to UCL after last gasp equalizer from Adrien Rabiot against Salernitana, Napoli can't wait for season to end, to Christian Pulisic and Rafael Leao show for AC Milan, Nicolo Barella masterclass as Inter Milan hammer Frosinone, and Lazio could still clinch UCL football, and Sassuolo need a miracle as relegation dogfight reaches fever pitch, plus previewing the Coppa Italia final on Wednesday in Rome's Stadio Olimpico as well as Baggio, Premface and Serie Ass of the week and much, much more when Nima and Carlo break down all the main talking points from an action-packed weekend in Italian football.
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Introduction and Episode Overview
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Welcome to the Italian football podcast.
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Hello everybody and welcome to the Italian Football Podcast, the official podcast of Football Italia. I'm Carlo Garganese, joined again by Nimatovale, who was ill last week, but he's back and he's raring to go. On today's show, we will review the weekend Serie A action. Juventus hit a new low with an embarrassing draw at home against relegated Selena Itana, but they did qualify for the Champions League thanks to
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Charles De Kettler inspired Atalanta who continued their own brilliant form with a 2-1 win over Roma and Roma are now in danger of missing out on the Champions League. Bologna though have also clinched a historic Champions League qualification after winning 2-0 at Napoli and Napoli now risk missing Europe altogether.
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Let's see who keep their pressure on the top six by top six by beaten emply and champions into thrash frost in honor Milan also thrash calorie five one to clinch second place for the season and all the teams at the bottom pretty much lost this weekend So the the relegation race remains very exciting going into the last two weeks We'll also have our usual bad show prim face and steady ass of the week And we will preview the copper Italian final between atalanta and Juventus on wednesday
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Atalanta's Tactical Brilliance and Challenges
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OK, so let's get into today's show. So some big matches at the top of the table, especially for the Champions League race. And there's only one place to start. And that is the big Atalanta against Roma Champions League showdown on Sunday evening in Bergamo. Atalanta win 2-1. We'll start off by discussing this from the Atalanta point of view. It's been a fantastic last week for Atalanta winning first.
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thrashing, must say, and playing upstanding in that game to get into their first European final in their history. And then beating Roma 2-1 on Sunday to put one foot in the Champions League next season. And I thought in this game that Atalanta were
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brilliant in this game for the first two thirds of the game. They should have been five or six up. They were only two up and then Roma got a goal back from a pretty soft penalty and then Atalanta got a little bit nervous and they risked even equalising. But if we look at the game, the first two thirds of this game, Atalanta played as well as I've seen them play all season. They put on an absolute clinic and just confirmed the amount of just what an outstanding end to the season that Atalanta are having.
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Yes. And, um, but it's also for me, I'm looking forward to the Europa League final. And this is what I'm scared of. Um, this is exactly what I'm scared of. What you saw against Roma, what you saw against my say to certain extent in the first half as well, they dominate teams completely and they should be four, five up. And, but they're not, they're only one or two goals up and against a team of by a liver cools and quality.
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that could harm them. Roma are too tired and too exhausted mentally, physically, to be able to muster any real challenge at this point in the season. And I think we saw that also in this game. So there are the warning signs there. That's what I'm a little bit worried about. But if we're looking at just the game in isolation and how they played, especially in the first half,
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They were outstanding. Again, I mean, this tridente of Lukman Skamaka, the Kettler, and then you got two, and then you got Cop Miners in midfield. I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous. They are so, so good. And they're really, really hitting form in a way that, well, I did not expect them to do this early. And
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And they, and then, you know, they've got Ederson, they got Pachalic, Mateo Ruggier is playing left wing back now and he's been outstanding doing so. No, it's, it's, it's, it's really, really looking so good for them. And they, again, you know, what is this Gasparini's Atalanta 4.0 that he's built? I mean, since he's been there, it's the fourth team he's put together and he's writing history for the fourth time with them.
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doing things that we've never seen that this small provincial side from Bergamo should not be able to do. It should not be possible in this day and age with the incredible influx of money in football that a side like Atalanta continuously deliver and play this well and deliver these results and continue to get the best out of every player they sign.
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You know, now the Kepler, he's on nine goals and six assists in the city are alone this season. He's going to stay. I hope certain of it, of it.
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And I think he's going to be... Yeah, De Ketzle, we have to talk about De Ketzle because this game confirmed what Gasparini has done with him in 2024, especially. I mean, people forget, actually, the first half of the season, he wasn't actually very good with Atalanta. It was more of the same with what we've seen at Milan. And we were almost questioning whether, you know, is that, you know, is this it, De Ketzle? Is he, you know, he's not going to make it to be the player that people... Well, that's the same you could say about Skamaka.
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Well, yeah, absolutely. Both of them. Well, De Quetzalet started a little bit early when Scimac has come really hot since probably since March in the last couple of months. De Quetzalet has been fantastic in 2024. I mean, he's got 15 goal contributions in in 2024 in all competitions, I think nine goals and six assists, I believe. And he he I mean, this game, you know, lovely first goal cut. I mean, Mancini will come to Roma all for defending, but fantastically taken goal cut inside on his right foot and then curled it in.
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his movement and intelligence to find space for the cutback for the second. He's such an intelligent player and Gasparini said that after. He's got very, very high football in IQ. He knows where to move, when to pass, when to hold on to the ball, when to just delay the pass before releasing it so that the team mate who's passing it through has run into the right position. His spatial awareness is very, very good.
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He could have had four in the first half, he hit the post, he had another shot that went just wide, and he's playing great. And like you said, like with Schumacher as well, I mean, this is, I mean, Gasparini, what a job he's done, not just in creating these four teams, as you said, but also the way that he develops players, but also resurrects players, but maximizes their talent. It's not just players that are young, like at the kettle there,
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but it's also plays a little bit more further in their career like mid-career like Scamaka or if we go further back even further in their career into their kind of late 20s like Illichik and like Papugomes and you know he is, Gasparini is just a master at maximising...
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you know, all these guys, but he's a master at maximizing the potential of these players. I mean, I mean, even talking of schematic, I mean, he didn't score against Roma, but I was just watching his like, he's starting to do things that I didn't that he just wasn't doing before, just like his movement off the ball and like getting into the right space, you know, and, you know,
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coming off his man and then making himself available like putting himself in positions to receive the ball. I still think he could improve he can improve Skamaka his movement in the box like when you know there's chances for a cutback or crosses I still think his movement there needs to improve his box movement because I saw there was one time when when Skamaka hit the post and he's looking for the cutback and he's looking for the cutback and Skamaka didn't make the right movement like I still think he can improve there but watching his movement outside the box
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making himself available for the team. He's improved so much there, Schumacher, in the last couple of months or so. And not just that, his link-up movement and his link-up. You saw that before the first goal, that pass, that assist for the Kettler. Sure, there was quite a lot of work left to do for the Kettler.
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But Skamaka's build-up and his movement to drag players out of position, his ability to time that pass perfectly with players running behind,
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that he that is something he didn't used to have and that's something that yeah that's what that's exactly what i mean yeah that's exactly what i mean by it's out of the box kind of movement and work for the team and Spelletti will love that as well because that's what Spelletti wants in a sense of forward so let's just pray that he can bring that to the to the Italy national team because that is exactly what i have to say i have to just say about Gasperini i i know he's not getting any younger but i'm looking at
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I'm looking at like where Spaletti is in his career. And I don't think Spaletti wants to just stay in the national team. I think he's going to do a Euros and I think he's going to do a World Cup. So in two years time, that job will be will be will be available. And I think I can't think of a better way for Jampiero Gasperini to end his career. He's only 66 now.
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In two years' time, he'll be 68, and I can't think of a better way to thank Gianpiero Gasperini for the last decade on top of a career well done than to give him the national team job, honestly. I really can't think of anyone better, more suited to do that too, especially given where Italy are, where you have to make it work with the players you've got,
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with some players that, you know, building a unit that is better than the sum of its parts, playing and attacking football, trying to modernize Italian football and also working with youngsters, getting the best
Roma's Struggles and Tactical Analysis
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out of what he's got. I really can't think of anyone better to be given. He's definitely got the right identity and he's definitely got the right, you know, the way that he wants to play the game is modern and
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you know, obviously there are question marks. I mean, you know, his age, he will be 68. I mean, will he still be, you know, still be what he is now? There's obviously, because there is that question mark. There is the question mark about how he manages kind of bigger stars. We've seen that in the past, but then you probably reply with that and say, well, it's, we don't have that many big stars anymore. Certainly not. Who in the Italy team, like, who's the big star? Like, yeah, so there's that. There's certainly no,
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I think the biggest question mark was probably the same question mark we would have for Spelletti. And I guess the question with Spelletti will be answered at the Euros.
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with a Gasparini, he's somebody that needs to work on the training ground, like Spoletti, to get those movements, those patterns of play. That is so crucial. You don't get that in international football because you're working with them so
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So few occasions over there, you know, just don't get that training time with them and and you know I think there was an interview with Edison I saw recently where he said it took him six months to understand exactly what what Gasparini wanted for him and you know Edison who's been Unbelievable and he's a player that isn't spoken about enough about what an incredible player and what an incredible season he's having He's good enough for any big club Edison. He's got everything he's amazing player and
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I remember tipping him to be one of the signings of the season last season. I remember, yeah. And he was okay, but he wasn't really great and he wasn't bad, but he just was okay. And then this season he's just exploded, but that's because it took time for him to understand Gasparini's system. So there is that concern with Gasparini.
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I mean, look at Atalanta now, they've all come together now, haven't they? And right at
Juventus' Champions League Qualification and Critique
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the right time of the season, they look fresh now, they look physically fresh, which is, you know, which is very impressive because they've been playing, and Gasparini said it, and they haven't even been playing twice or three times a week. However, you want to look at it since February. They're playing every single Thursday, Thursday Sunday, Thursday Sunday.
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That's the thing that I find the most interesting and the most impressive with this is that Gasparini has learnt rotation and he's learnt how to play three times a week continuously for months on end and to get the right level of training, to get the right level of balance mentally to not
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to not exhaust the players physically and mentally and keep them going and hitting towards the end of the season where they need to be hitting form. That's the most impressive. That to me is the hallmark of a great coach. On top of everything else we've said about developing players and getting the best out of young and old players regardless of the players where they are in their careers to get them to get the best out of them. That and also being able to manage that three times a week for months on end.
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that to me is the hallmark of a great coach. But also we do also have to praise the the Aetolanta transfer team which is the best in Italy and its scouting department and its use of data and it's so advanced of everyone else in in Italy and he has players to use in rotation system.
00:14:44
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I mean he's been rotating those attackers and it almost doesn't matter who plays in attack they still produce, you know and he even felt the confidence to bring against Marseille, he brought Scamaca off and somebody else off in like the 56 minute when they were too nil up and like he was so confident with the players he was going to bring on that they were going to still be good and you know that's also part of the rotation and he's put them in a great position now I mean they
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they are very well placed now to qualify for the for the Champions League. If my maths is correct I think they need three points from the last three games to qualify for the Champions League because they've got they're three points ahead of Roma and they've got a better head to head.
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and they're four points ahead of last year. And they've got a game in hand as well. And they've got to play Lecce away, Torino at home, and then the rearrange Fiorentina game, which will take place at the end of the season. So even if it comes to that, they'll know what they have to do. So I think that they're in a very formidable position and they should qualify for the Champions League now. And they've got a Coppa Italia final on Wednesday, which is an Europa Leaf.
00:15:54
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That's a little thing I'm worried about. I just don't want them, because I want six Italian teams in the Champions League, and that means that if Rome are outside of the top five, then Atalanta will have to beat by Leverkusen to get six teams in.
00:16:11
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And that's where I'm a little bit worried because I'm not... Has that actually been officially confirmed yet? Has that actually officially been confirmed? We've seen people reporting that there's going to be... I haven't seen it officially confirmed that if Roma win... Well, I have. It is. No, no, no. Listen, it's like this. Italy have five spots because of how well they performed in Europe. So them and Germany will have five teams, right? If you also win the Europa League,
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And that's been officially confirmed. Patrick spoke to one of the heads. Yeah, I know about Patrick. I know Patrick spoke to him. It hasn't been officially confirmed like in public. Well, that is an official confirmation. It's coming from someone inside UEFA who's working in charge of this, saying this is how it works. If you win the Europa League, you go to the that. It's not like it's been in previous years.
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you know, if you win the Europa League, that spot. Yeah, it's been confirmed. It's been confirmed in a private conversation between Patrick and it hasn't been official. They haven't put out a statement. Official confirmation is when a statement is put out by UEFA that this is how it is, you know, so until that comes out. Yeah, well, no, no, that's that's how
00:17:18
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I believe Patrick, I'm sure he's right. I'm saying it hasn't been publicly stated. It has been, if you look at what they've put out in terms of next season and how to interpret the rules and laws of the game, and it's been widely reported in media as well.
00:17:36
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You can just go on Google, you'll see everywhere from ESPN to Guardian. I know, I've seen that. I've seen all that. I'm just saying, until UEFA put it out, it hasn't been officially confirmed. That's what I'm saying. That's all. But yeah. Well, no, they've not verbally said it that if you wouldn't know, but they've said how the rules work ahead of next season and that's how they work. So they don't need to spell it out.
00:18:00
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I think it was unclear until... Anyway, we're splitting hairs here anyway, but the point is that Roma are not going to get in the Champions League. They've got no chance of getting the Champions League unless... Yeah, that's the thing, though. And Atalanta need to win. Atalanta need to win, and I'm really worried about that by a Liverpool game, because I think it would be so beautiful for Atalanta to win in Europe.
00:18:25
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Um, more than anything. And I'm so concerned. I'm really, I'm a little bit worried that they'll end up with zero titles. Cause I don't think beating Juventus midweek is gonna happen.
00:18:39
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Yeah, you have this. What comes to the corporate earlier? I love it. I love your look. I want to get into your logic on that after. But yeah, listen, their form is fantastic. One six drawn one of their last seven. They're playing great. And they are. Yeah. Now is the time for them to win a trophy. As for Roma, they really needed to win this game to kick, to qualify for the challenge, try and have a chance to qualify for the Champions League through the league.
00:19:06
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And now, as we said, that they'll need to rely enough to win in the Champions League and they need to come six, which there's no guarantee because that's your only one point behind them with two games left. And, you know, the way Roma are playing now, I mean, let's have into a way, which isn't easy, but obviously into our.
00:19:22
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have nothing to play for. And they have Simone Nizaki, former Lazio manager. So I don't know what will happen there. Biscotti time maybe. But, you know, I think, listen, I think Roma, I said it.
00:19:38
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I've called it after that Napoli game over two weeks ago. I said Roma looked dead. I said it after Napoli game. They looked like they were dead and everything that's happened has proved that. They were exhausted against Napoli. They should have lost. They drew. They were exhausted against Leverkus in the first leg. They lost 2-0. They were exhausted against Juventus and they were probably lucky to draw that.
00:19:59
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And then they showed great fight against leather coos and they showed mental strength, you know, they battled but if you watch the actually watch that game, there's no doubt who were the fit and fresher team was leather coos and they had about 30 odd shots in that game and Roma just battle them for and you know, just just, you know, that was the way that they got themselves into a position where they could have, you know,
00:20:24
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created a miracle there and then obviously you know it fell away at the end and then again we saw in this game the first this wasn't even a match the first two thirds of this game until Roma got the penalty it was it was there was only one team on the pitch I mean Roma were was so far second best they they should have been five or six nil down that's no exaggeration it was chance after chance after chance they didn't even get out of their heart they got a penalty out of nothing
00:20:49
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And unfortunately, that is the story of Roma at the end of the season, if their season has fallen apart because they're exhausted. No, there's really nothing more to add to that, to be honest. They really have fallen apart towards the end. And it's been a pretty difficult season for them. And it's been quite
00:21:20
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It's been with the Mourinho situation and all of that happening. And, you know, then de Rossi coming in and then he kind of rejuvenating them. And, you know, all of that has happened and.
00:21:37
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You know, it's kind of taken their toll on them and it's a team that, you know, some players, you don't know if they're going to be there, who's going to be there, who's not going to be there and so on and so forth. So it's, you know, I think De Rossi has done the most that he can. And I think what they did against Bialivica was heroic.
00:21:55
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But, you know, they showed, you know, Sveela's mistake. People are blaming Mancini for that, which I think is weird because he had nothing to do with that. That was a mistake by the goalkeeper. But which one? Oh, for the Liverpool, the Liverpool season one. Yeah. Yeah. The one, the one, their first goal. I mean, that's not, that's not Mancini. That's on Sveela.
00:22:13
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Yeah, Svela. But you
Bologna's Historic Achievement and European Prospects
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know, again, I don't want to say I told you so, but I called that as well. His handling in the first leg against, he made about two or three similar handling errors and he got away with it in the first leg. And then this second leg, the same thing happened and they conceded a goal. So Svela has been fantastic, but you know, if there's one weakness, there seems to be his handling. His handling, he seems to drop a lot of
00:22:37
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a lot of balls. So that's something that cost them as good as Fela has been, but Mancini as good as he's been as well. I mean, the absolute state of that defending on that, on that steketileko. I mean, what the hell was that? That is as embarrassing defending as you'll ever see. He literally just walked past him.
00:22:56
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He didn't even do anything, he didn't even do any skill, he just literally cut in from his left onto his right without doing any skill, just walked past him, he was nowhere near him and then he just passed it into the net.
00:23:10
Speaker
That's made me question again about Mancini watching that goal. Like, you know, we're saying I got to go, you know, go to the Euros, maybe even start for Italy. And then I see that and I'm thinking, wow, no defender can defend like that. That was so bad for Mancini. Maybe we can put it down to tightness with him as well, maybe. That's that's true. No, it's it's it is it is tight. I mean, it's been a difficult season for Roma and it's
00:23:38
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I really hope for all my sake, they make the Champions League because it will make the summer less bloody for them in terms of what they have to do financially. And I think they're also deserves.
00:23:52
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and Roma deserve and I think Italian football needs a Roma who's in a better place financially and doesn't have to sell off all the furniture to survive because we need a good Lazio, we need a good Roma, we need a good Napoli, we need these teams to be competitive and I really hope that Roma, if they make the Champions League then of course they'll have to make, they have to end the
00:24:15
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the fiscal year on less, so to speak, because of in terms of less profit, so to speak, because there's more money coming in. So I really hope for Italy's sake that Atalanta can, because I mean, we have nine teams in Europe already now, we have five in the Champions League,
00:24:36
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So we've got eight right now, five in the Champions League, two in the Europa League and one in the Conference League. So if Argentina can win, that's nine. And if Atalanta can win, that's 10. That's half the Serie A. And I think
00:24:48
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I would love that. I really need 10 teams in Europe next season. I need this. I need Ivan Urich to play in Europe. I literally just want the entire Serie A to play in Europe. You just want Ivan Urich to be in Europe. Just admit that's what it's all about. I need Urich to stay at Torino and I need him to play. I need him to go far in the conference league and to win that.
00:25:12
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Neil, I just want to see when you reach Neil, Neil, his way to the conference league final. I would love that. I would love that. I would absolutely love that. And I would love Bellotti too. I mean, you know, we'll see what happens with talking about talking about coaches who can't attack. Let's move on to Juventus who are in the Champions League. They've qualified for the Champions League now officially, thanks to Atalanta and not thanks to Juventus. I mean, thanks, Atalanta.
00:25:40
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How is it thanks to Atalanta that you have got 67 points? They qualified for the Champions League. If Roma had won, they wouldn't have qualified for the Champions League last night. It's not thanks to Atalanta. You can't say that after 36. That's at Atalanta last night, it's thanks to them. If Atalanta had lost, Juventus wouldn't have qualified for the Champions League. That's why. That's to them last night. It wasn't thanks to Juventus. Juventus played still any time.
00:26:06
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Sunday afternoon, they just needed a win to qualify for the Champions League against a team that's already relegated bottom of the table, that conceded 75 goals in 35 games, no clean sheet for three months. And they come to Turin and they nearly win. They conceded a 90-second minute equaliser to stop them winning. And this was just, I mean, there's been
00:26:26
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I don't want to say it's the most embarrassing performance of the season because there's been so many. I wouldn't know which one to pick, but this is almost as bad. I mean, the first half is probably the most embarrassing half of the season. It was abysmal and it had a 0.13 XG at home to Selene Turner in the first half.
00:26:44
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just horrendous. The second half was, you know, they created enough chances in the second half, Juventus, but overall, they can't even beat Saloni Turner. They draw 1-1 with Saloni Turner. I mean, it's just embarrassing. I don't even know what to say now. I mean, what all I can say is,
00:27:06
Speaker
I tweeted it out. Alegri has stolen 27 million euros. He has stolen 27 million euros. He doesn't deserve a penny. He's so dramatic. He does not deserve a penny. You should donate that money to charity.
00:27:24
Speaker
And he's about to steal another nine million euros for next season, whether he stays or leaves, even with him likely to leave, he's going to steal another nine million next season.
Napoli's Season Recap and Future Concerns
00:27:34
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I mean, it's it's absolutely embarrassing. It is embarrassing. And the absolute so dramatic state, so dramatic, embarrassing. I mean, give us a take that isn't dramatic on that performance.
00:27:51
Speaker
Because he's never stolen 27 million euros. That's the dramatic buzz. He's stolen 27 million for doing nothing. Nothing in three years. He's stolen 27 million euros. He's so dramatic. He hasn't just stolen the 27 million. He's stolen more than that from the others.
00:28:28
Speaker
Oh yeah, the Spanish Netflix show. It's a great show. It's a fantastic show and they should make a new series, they should bring that back and they should cast Allegri in it.
00:28:41
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oh my god you you went as fans
00:28:48
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And also they've all got names. It's so dramatic. They've all got city names, haven't they? There's like Berlin, there's Tokyo. So what would you call him? Turin. Yeah, Turin. What would you call him? I don't know, Turin maybe. Oh, days. That should be it. Listen, it was a shit game and Juventus have checked out completely.
00:29:14
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And it's obvious that Allegri is not going to be there next season. I think it's clear for anyone to see. I wonder if it's Thiago Mota or Antonio Oconte. I'm not entirely sure who it's going to be. But one thing I am certain of is that Allegri ain't going to be there next season. There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to be there next season. And I think their only focus now is on that Copa Italia final.
00:29:41
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they've completely checked out. I mean, if you look at their form in the Serie A, the last five games, it's five draws. It's goalless against Torino, 2-2 against Cagliari, goalless against Uwe, 1-1, sorry, Mila, 1-1 against Roma, 1-1 against Alain Itana. They've completely checked out. This is Allegri when he just puts on the brakes and just puts it on the low cooker.
00:30:09
Speaker
No, no, no, no. This isn't by design. This is dreadful form for second half of the season. This is one win in 10. This is 17 games since the Emily game in January. Three wins, nine draws. This
Milan's Success and Key Players
00:30:24
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is the second worst second half to a season in the history of Juventus.
00:30:29
Speaker
History of Juventus is the second worst second half to a season another negative record Juventus record under a leg Yeah, he's in the Champions League and he's in the Copitalia final and he's going to he could potentially win a trophy. I mean this is an achievement they still this this
00:30:52
Speaker
How is it not an achievement to win a trophy for this for this side? I mean if you look at the game itself it's only Turner. It's not an achievement to qualify for the Champions League with Juventus. It's not with these numbers. He's got 67 points now, two games to go. It's looking very likely now that this is going to be the worst of the third seasons for Juventus under Allegri.
00:31:14
Speaker
and in a season where they're playing once a week. All three seasons, well short of even Pirlo's points, Sally, that that absolute amateur novice that everyone had a better team. Pirlo had a better team than Allegri has this season. And Vlaovic, I mean, if it I'm starting to think if it's, you know, yeah, he's had this has been a step forward for him this season, but
00:31:40
Speaker
in terms of goal tallies and he's improved, but he's 24 years old now. He's not a kid. He's actually, this is when he should be hitting goals. He should be hitting his prime. And you can't blame Allegri for him missing these many chances. You can't blame that on Allegri. That's on him.
00:31:59
Speaker
Well, listen, I think it's a bit of both, but I think the bigger picture isn't just Vlawic, it comes down to everything about how Allegri has just been incapable of developing any players in these last three years. He just hasn't, especially the attacking players, the midfielders forward, midfielders and attackers,
00:32:17
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he just doesn't develop players. I mean, you know, who was, I mean, a Vlaovic, I still think, I think, I do think he's a bit better in his all round game from when he comes to Fiorentina. Do I think he's a better player? Do I, would I rather have the Vlaovic of Fiorentina or the Vlaovic of now? And, you know, I don't really see much, I don't really see much improvement, if any improvement right now, compared to the Fiorentina.
00:32:41
Speaker
I think you'll need to ask yourself. And then you look at the others as well. I mean, Rabio, I mean, Rabio's, oh my gosh, I know he scored at the end. That Rabio performance, oh my gosh, every single pass, I haven't looked at the stats, couldn't even put simple passes, were going straight to the opponent, straight out of play. It was the worst Rabio performance I think I've seen. I mean, you know, everybody was going on about Rabio last season, this season, back to the usual average.
00:33:07
Speaker
if not worse, Rabio and Locatelli, oh my gosh, so bad. He's been awful this season. Locatelli in the second half of the season, absolutely horrific. And you could go on and on and on. I mean, it's just, you know, so, I mean, listen, it's, and where were the Juventus Ultras in this game? Another Allegri State banner? I didn't see any of them yesterday, but I mean, this is- No, they were. They were, I mean, they was,
00:33:34
Speaker
They're on a protest, aren't they, at the moment, the events of Sultras. They're doing a silence. They're embarrassing. Allegri will leave at the end of the season, but as I said last week, this summer,
00:33:52
Speaker
There's so many big jobs available around Europe. There's Liverpool, there's going to be Manchester United, there could be Chelsea, there's Bayern Munich, and there was Barcelona until they realised they have no money, so they've had to stay with Javi. There's Milan!
00:34:09
Speaker
There's Milan, there's Napoli, there's Fiorentina. There's lots of big jobs in Italy and all around Europe. Not one of these clubs has even considered Allegri and he's not even been linked to small teams. So that says it all about the standing of Allegri in football. Now, everybody realises that he's completely finished as a coach because
Inter's Dominance and Strategic Strengths
00:34:34
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there's no interest in him.
00:34:36
Speaker
at all. Everybody knows he's going to leave Juventus and he's going to be available for a job. No one's even interested, not even being talked about as a possibility. So that says it all really. And now it's just down to this Coppa Italia final.
00:34:51
Speaker
Juventus fans and Allegri especially, they need to win this Coppa Italia final just to salvage something, not just from this season, but to salvage something from these three years because it's just been a total waste of time, these three years. Total waste of time. This season, I said at the beginning of the season, this season's a write-off.
00:35:11
Speaker
And if they can at least win a Coppa Italia trophy, at least they've got something tangible to take. They've got nothing else to take from it, but at least something tangible to take. So now they've got to try and win this Coppa Italia. There's not much positives to give you hope going into it. Maybe Kiesa. I thought Kiesa was pretty lively. He's been good in the last three games. Yeah, he will look lively.
00:35:30
Speaker
He looked lively, that's good, and he got a bit of rest, so he should be fresh coming into this. I think, hopefully, from Juventus' point of view, Chiesa can bring it, and he usually does in the Coppertalia. Hopefully he can bring it in the final. And the second half, they created chances, Juventus, so hopefully they can, you know, at least chance creation can bring that against Atalanta in the final, but it's, yeah, it is all down to this Coppertalia final. This is the only thing that can
00:35:57
Speaker
can salvage something from this really depressing last three years? No, I mean look, it's also been the last three years where you, Alexandro, we've seen these numbers of how much money he makes and the kind of money that Juventus have waste on absolute dross and a lot of those contracts are disappearing and that has also been
00:36:22
Speaker
a part of why things have looked the way they have and you've had the Paul Pogba situation, big money spent there, not got absolutely nothing from him.
00:36:30
Speaker
Um, and and and you can go on for for for quite a few things like that. Sorry Nimmin to button but that is you make a good point there because this summer Juventus can get rid of um Of alexandra who I think is the fourth or fifth highest paid player in seria Yeah office book of their books rabbio who's very highly paid off their books Uh, and then pogba will see what happens there if they can, you know legally, um
00:36:58
Speaker
get rid of him and tear up his contract and so that'd be another one and then Allegri but it looks like I mean Allegri it looks like they've had the pain for another year on huge huge salaries I mean this is the mismanagement from the event as paying these ridiculously high wages for players who players or coaches who are not worth it who are finished I mean paying Sandro a finished player that money
00:37:20
Speaker
you know, paying a leg we're finished coach that money paying Pogba a player who was physically finished
Serie A Relegation Battle and Predictions
00:37:27
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before they signed him, you know, anybody could see just look at the numbers that he was physically broken and they give him that kind of money. So obviously that has had an effect as well. So it's it's
00:37:37
Speaker
The positives are that Juventus are in the Champions League. Now they needed that money, badly, after not being in the Champions League this last year. They wouldn't have been able to cope with that. It would have been meltdown if Juventus weren't in the Champions League. So there's that. And now Juventus fans can look forward with a bit of hope for next season. Well, they can. And one thing they're doing, which I think juntally is, I mean, they brought in Thiago Jallor on kind of a free transfer in January.
00:38:04
Speaker
and they want to sell him on at a huge profit and bring in Calafiori. This is what Giuntoli is good at, the player trading, creating plus Valenza, actual plus Valenza, unlike the other one who, well, we know what happened there, inventing stuff and boasting on the phone that he runs three clubs and that it's all legal, writing contracts on cocktail napkins and God knows what. But Giuntoli actually knows what he's doing.
00:38:34
Speaker
This is what he's good at. So this is this is actually rather, you know, I'm looking at all these wages disappearing. I'm looking at then I'm looking at Kiesa and I'm thinking, well, they can actually do something there, clearing off these these wages. They can actually do something with Kiesa. They can extend his contract. They can build around him. They need to offload some other players like Timothy V.R. and these players, you know, Alkaras. Did they have to make a decision on him? Do they buy him? Did they let him go?
00:39:04
Speaker
you know, and if they can bring in Calafiori, if they can bring in Thiago Mota, that actually gives Juventus something to work with for next season. I don't think there's going to be any stretch of the imagination. Juventus are going to fight for the school next year, but they should finish in the top four and they should be able to start something to give you the fans hope looking forward. And because this has been this has been so toxic now for so long,
00:39:33
Speaker
that it's just not, you can't have a situation where players are feuding with the coach, half the stadium is feuding with the coach, the other half is, I mean, it's just not, you know, it's just not, it's just not tenable. This is not tenable. And also Juntholi has come in and he needs to be able to put his mark, excuse me, he needs to put
Coppa Italia Final Preview
00:39:52
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his mark and stamp on the project as well. Otherwise, what was the point in bringing him in?
00:39:56
Speaker
So, you know, we'll see if the new coach is going to be Tiago Motta and Nima. And I mean, he has now confirmed Champions League football for Bologna after they win at Napoli. And then the Atlanta result coupled with that means that Bologna are playing in the Champions League. And first of all, we just have to say congratulations to Bologna and to Tiago Motta. What an incredible achievement from Bologna, you know,
00:40:24
Speaker
People forget that actually they've won Serie A. I think they're one of the, in terms of the list of champions in Serie A, they're actually quite high up the list. It's been a long time, 60 years since they last won the Scudetto and they haven't been a big team like in modern times, but they are a big team in Italian football. So we shouldn't probably be wrong to describe them as like a provincial team or minnows. It's probably the wrong description, but in modern times, I mean,
00:40:53
Speaker
I think they're on the same level as Fiorentina, like they're on the same level. Historically. Yeah, like they're a big team historically, but if you look at who they are, they're just under the Inter Milan, Juve, Napoli, Roma, Lazio in terms of fan size and size and following. They're there with Fiorentina and you know, those sides. But look,
00:41:14
Speaker
They've done absolutely fantastic. There's no doubt about that. It's a miracle, really. Let's call it what it is. It's a miracle from where they come from. I think a lot of people need to understand that he's not conceded very much. He's only conceded 27 goals all season. So if you're expecting to see Pep Guardiola take over at Juve, you're going to be mightily disappointed. He is about risk minimisation.
00:41:40
Speaker
But the difference is that in the attacking phase he's got much more
00:41:46
Speaker
to offer than Allegri right now. There's no doubt about that. The difference is the motto, the Bologna of I think second in Serie A for possession, if I'm not mistaken, they were the last time I looked a few weeks ago. I might be wrong there, but I'm pretty sure that that's the case. And so they keep the ball, they dominate the game, they dominate territory and they've got fantastic patterns of play to build their way. And that's one thing that winds me up the most about Allegri is they literally
00:42:12
Speaker
There's just no build up. If you give them the ball from the back, they cannot build their way up the pitch at all. It's just horrendous. We also have to acknowledge that for big chances missed in the Serie A, Juve are top of that. They've missed 59 big chances, followed closely by Napoli at 57.
00:42:32
Speaker
So there is that aspect that both of these teams have created but missed. And that is also something we should... Well, there's a lot of underlying metrics we can look at. I read through, I did one a few weeks ago, which I can't remember when it was, about three weeks ago, where I went through a whole load of them. And that kind of told the story about how horrific Juventus is attacking it. But anyway, listen.
00:42:58
Speaker
We're talking about Bologna now. And what Motto has done is absolutely astonishing. And he hasn't played like a provincial coach either. Hasn't played like a team that are batting above its weight. They played like a big team. They wanted to take control of the game. They wanted to dominate the game. And they played good football. They keep the ball. And their record against the big teams this season is absolutely insane. They proved to be a big team. Now Napoli, which they won this game,
00:43:28
Speaker
deservedly won this game, winning a draw against Napoli. They drew against Juventus, they beat Roma and Lazio, both those two teams, home and away. Atalanta as well, drew and lost against Milan. That loss was the first game of the season. They drew and lost against Inter, but they won't beat Inter in the Coppa Italia.
00:43:50
Speaker
You know, and so I mean, it's an incredible, incredible achievement. They shouldn't be. I mean, I said at the start of the season, I got laughed by pretty much every laugh that everyone I said that Blondie could qualify for Europe this season. I'm not going to sit here and say I thought they qualify for Champions League. I didn't. But
00:44:08
Speaker
Even European, even you to qualify for European competition was laughed off by the vast majority of people in, you know, in, you know, Italian football fans. Because I remember I said it, I called it on this on this show. I said, I think that Bologna got a chance to qualify for Europe at the start of the season. That was my prediction. And that was seen as a wild call. That was that was seen as a hot take and mad and most people were like, they're not even they're not going to qualify for Europe.
00:44:35
Speaker
And now here they are. They haven't just qualified for Europe. They've qualified for the Champions League, done it with two games to spare, and they've done it deservedly. And they're now in third place, and they're probably going to finish third as well. I mean, it's unbelievable what he's done. I mean, he's overachieved so massively, and the development of players as well this season. I mean, Xerxes is his masterpiece, but it's Call of Fury. He maximizes and develops players, and that's something that, if he goes to the event, it's going to be so important for their project as well.
00:45:05
Speaker
Absolutely. No doubt about that. And I think it's the right move to do that and for him to move away. Although I do feel a before Bologna because them going to the Champions League is going to be. Well, that's the question. I wonder how well can Bologna do in the Champions League next season?
00:45:23
Speaker
Oh, it's way too soon to say, but we need to know who the coach is going to be. We need to know if Calafiori and Zirkses stay. If all three of them leave,
00:45:37
Speaker
They'll struggle to make, you know, unless they find jewels, which Sartori can do, he is that good. But unless he does find little jewels and they can get the best out of the players they've got in the squad who they believe in, who have not done well, like Jesper Carlson, then they'll have to bank on that. But it's going to be difficult. But I think it's way too soon.
00:46:03
Speaker
to see to see anything. But I can't pretend them and I'm not worried for them because listen, they're going to lose motor. They're probably going to lose sexy and color fury. I mean, they have no control over six because of his, you know, well, there's the release clause for buying, which might not be reactivate or buying could and they could sell him on who knows. But
00:46:26
Speaker
They're going to lose all the pillars of their team. They're going to lose Mota, their manager, who is the most important of all. He's masterminded this. Zixi, they're going to lose. They're going to lose color fury and without focus, he's done his ACL and he's out until 2025. We're talking about their three best players.
00:46:49
Speaker
and their manager. Even if you've got money to spend, and Sartori is a genius in the transfer market, and I'm sure he will do some good work, but we're talking Champions League here, we're talking about a team that already, let's be honest, there's no way this team is equipped to play twice a week, even with the current team.
00:47:06
Speaker
Current squad they know there's no way they're equipped to play twice a week and then they're gonna have to replace all their best players and their coach and After that then build try and build up a squad that's deep enough for the Champions League I think it's gonna be very very hard for them for the next season very very hard Which is a shame, but listen, I don't sure what's not bad about that. Yeah about I think you know
00:47:29
Speaker
We should enjoy what they've done because it is amazing. We don't get beautiful stories like this and we should appreciate this beautiful story really and how amazing it is. Next season it's going to be hard. I'm really interested to see who takes over after Tiago Mota.
00:47:47
Speaker
I'm looking at Vincenzo Italiano, if now that Stefano Pioli is picking up steam and we're looking at content going to either Milan or Juve, it's all kind of crystallizing De Rossi staying at Roma, Tudor is doing a great job at Lazio, it's all kind of crystallizing itself, isn't it? And I'm thinking when the dust settles,
00:48:10
Speaker
I think, and if Vincenzo Italiano is able to actually pull off something against Olympia, of course, which he should be able to do and win that trophy, that European trophy, given the profile that Bologna have, as I've been saying for a couple of months, I wouldn't, I mean, I wanted, I thought Italiano should have gone to Bologna three years ago when they appointed Mihailovic instead, because I think
00:48:34
Speaker
That's the right place for him to be at in terms of also how good he is with, with improving youngsters. That makes more sense to me if that, you know, uh, Italiano at Bologna makes more sense to me than it does. And also it's a, it's a good little peak in the champions league because no one expects him to do anything in the champions league with Bologna. But if you, you know, this is the thing, if you, if you have a chance to play in the champions league, usually when you're with one of the big ones, they expect you to go through, right?
00:49:04
Speaker
with Bologna, no one is expecting Bologna to go through. So it's kind of, he's got everything to gain by playing in the championship. I think Italiano could be a good fit, because he's also good at developing players for his style, even if they don't necessarily fit. So with Sartori working there, he can probably get him the kind of players that will work for his system.
00:49:28
Speaker
But yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how Polanyan do. It's going to be a great story. It's their first time in the European Cup since 1964-65. They were knocked out in the preliminary round that year by Andalect. Do you know what the score was in that game, Nima? Can't remember. No, I've read about it, but no. Okay. They lost that game. They lost that game on a coin toss.
00:49:58
Speaker
Oh, wasn't that the season when they won the Scudetto on a coin toss as well? Like the following season, it was something crazy like that. Because I remember needing something about it in a playoff. I think they won it in a playoff against, was it against the Inter? It might have even been. I think it was against Inter. Yeah, they won the 1994 Scudetto.
00:50:18
Speaker
Bologna did, qualified for the European Carport, you know, former Champions League and they, I think, yeah. There was something with a cook.
00:50:29
Speaker
There was something about a coin toss. The coin toss, the most famous coin toss was, no, they beat into 2-0 in the playoff. A goal from, own goal from Faketi in the 75th minute and then Harold Nielsen, former Denmark player, scored the second goal.
00:50:50
Speaker
and that got them into the European. The famous, the most famous coin was the Euro 1968 semi-final, Italy beating the Soviet Union on a double-sided coin. Right, let's move on to Napoli.
00:51:08
Speaker
Napoli losing this game, Bologna deserved to win this game. It was another really abysmal Napoli performance. All there is to say now really is that this season just needs to end. There's no point repeating ourselves. The players turned about Juventus' motivations. I think the Napoli players, their heads have gone. The coaches go in.
00:51:52
Speaker
No, I've really got nothing more to add. It's a horrible, horrible, horrible
00:51:56
Speaker
season, Napoli really have a problem with penalty takers because Osimeng, Huicha, Politano, they're just not good enough. And they just need the season to end and they need to bring in the new sporting director, the new sporting organization. They need to appoint a new coach and then move on from there. There's really not much more time. Yeah, given how well the Serie A has done, they're probably going to be in Europe anyway. The question is if Fiorentina win, they'll be in the Europa League or if they're in the conference league.
00:52:26
Speaker
That's pretty much. They're currently in eighth position, which will get them a conference league position right now. Is that correct?
00:52:36
Speaker
Yeah. So they're in the conference league position at the moment in eighth, but Fiorentina have two games in hand and a one point behind. So Fiorentina could go above them and go into eighth. And then if Fiorentina and Atalanta both lose their finals, and that means ninth place won't get a European place, will it? So Napoli could
00:52:58
Speaker
Right now, you would back Fiorentina to finish above Napoli, given they've got two games in hand. So there's no guarantee that Napoli are going to be in Europe next season, which will be just incredible, really, after winning the Scudetto last season. They've got 51 points from 36 games. I mean, the worst title defence in Serie A history. It's not even close now.
00:53:22
Speaker
Milan. Milan now have clinched second place in Serie A. They can't be caught by Bologna in third or Juventus in fourth. I don't know who has seven points behind Milan now. And they thrashed Caliari 5-1 in this game. So they ended their banned run. Milan had gone six games without a win. And they started without Liao, Tio Hernandez, or Tamori. And they brought on Liao and Tamori at half time. But it really was the Pula sitch
00:53:49
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Rafael Liao's show this game. Pulisic scored two more goals. Great finish for the first goal, especially after a really good play from Liao. He's got 15 goals now in all competitions and nine assists. That's 24 goal contributions. I think that's really impressive. He now has 12 Serie A goals for the season, all of them from open play.
00:54:15
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And the only wide attacker, if we call it a wide attacker, say somebody that plays like the right or left of a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, that's how I would describe a wide attacker. Or an attacking midfielder like a 10 or someone in a attacker in a 4-2-3-1, central attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1.
00:54:36
Speaker
the only ones that have more goals this season in open play is well there's only one and that's Albert Goodmanson who to be honest plays more in a front two really so I'm not even sure if we'd describe himself. We could probably say he has the most from from his position from open play and only three players in total have more Serie A goals from open play
00:55:03
Speaker
than Pudasic. He's had an incredible season as a whole in terms of his numbers, Pudasic. There's no doubt about that. I think the only thing we need now from him next season for him to push on is we need to see this more in the Champions League. I think he was pretty poor in the Champions League. I know he scored against Newcastle, but he was disappointing. Also in the big games, if you look at who he scored all his goals against, they're all pretty much against
00:55:30
Speaker
bottom half teams. I don't want to call him a flat-track pulley, but he seems to get... But that is important, though. I don't want to use that as a... That's actually something that's important. You need players that will...
00:55:46
Speaker
will guarantee you goals and points against the small teams because it will guarantee you so many number of points over the course of the season. But that if he wants to push on now and if Milano want to move up to become a real Scudetto challenger and also do better in the Champions League then that's where Pulisic needs to step up. If we look at as a first season we have to say it's been very very positive for Pulisic.
00:56:09
Speaker
Incredibly positive. I think he's been together with Reinders, their best player this season, consistently. I think he's been consistent throughout the season. He's had some dips, but they've not been that bad. And he's delivered and he works perfectly in the system. And I think he's shown that
00:56:30
Speaker
Well, everything we predicted, I said in, you know, going into this season, I think he's going to be the first US men's national team player to become a star in one of the classic football clubs in Europe. And I think we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're well underway to him becoming that he's becoming someone who Milan look to, to be decisive. If you score that many goals, that's what happens. And next season is well, exactly like you said, he's going to have to do that next season. He's going to have to improve and do that against the bigger teams and maybe hit 15, 20 goals.
00:56:59
Speaker
you know, doesn't have to score more goals, but he's going to have to do it against the big sides. Yeah. And there's going to be more. Yes, the fifth most assists as well in Serie A this season. He's not just scoring goals, he's making goals as well. No, Peter Sitch has been outstanding this season. And I think he's he I'm not surprised at all. I really think he's a he's a he's a good player. I think he's a decent, you know, he's he's a he's not the world class player, but he's just under there.
00:57:23
Speaker
But and he works if you use him properly in the right system. And he was he came with the attitude that he knew that he had to prove himself in Milan. And he has done. And he he reads the game really well. He understands where the ball is going to come. And and he times his runs really well. And he's been really important for Milan. And I think together with allow the development allow has undergone the season.
00:57:49
Speaker
It's going to be important to have these two guys kind of firing on either side because Milan have been too reliant on their left side. They have to do something about the right back situation because Calabria is a absolute disgrace.
00:58:05
Speaker
in terms of quality and off the pitch. The fact that he wears that captain's armband is an insult, not just to Milan fans, but to anyone who likes Serie A because Milan's captains are Barrezi, Maldini, not that guy. It's a disgrace and they need to do something about that regardless of who the new manager is going to be. And if they do that and if they replace Giroud properly, then Milan are in a very good place to push on and push for an actual title charge.
00:58:35
Speaker
Um, because Milan are in a good place. And I think like overall in the squad. And so no, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm pleased for him. Um, I think he, it's going to be a very interesting, it's going to be very interesting to see what Milan do in the summer and who the coach is going to be. And, you know.
00:58:55
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I think Liao will also be interested to see what happens to Liao as well. He was sensational coming off the bench. The play for the assist for Pulisic is his goal, but also a great one-on-one.
00:59:12
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finish when he took on the goalkeeper, which I love to see because that was like, I used to love players from my childhood that used to take on the goalkeeper and used to get quite a lot. They used to do it back when we were kids. If you used to take on the goalkeeper, that was the goal.
00:59:29
Speaker
Class players used to take on the goalkeeper, you know, I remember like, it used to be quite a few, used to do like Kureka used to do it, used to be brilliant at it, Badgio used to be one of the best, he used to always like, he used to open up his body and then and then take on the keeper, Kanu, Kanu used to love how Kanu used to take on the goalkeeper and then used to get like the kind of speedier players that would take on the keeper, like Ronaldo, like the way he took on the goalie and the
00:59:55
Speaker
the 1998 UEFA Cup Final against Lazio, against Marc Gajani where he sent him for like three hot dogs. I mean like I used to love, I just love that but you don't get players nowadays that take on the goalkeeper very much. It's so rare you get goalkeeper that you get players so when you see like Liao take on the keeper like that it's really beautiful to see and that just kind of shows like he has got these qualities that there's only a handful of players in world football even less
01:00:22
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that can do the things that Liao does. He hit the bar as well. He was devastated in this game and it's just frustrating that he just doesn't have that consistency.
01:00:34
Speaker
the game has to be set up for him in the right way for us to always see his best. And he just hasn't, yeah, I mean, it'd be interesting to see what happens to Liao next season, who the coach will be as well, like what they do with Liao, if Liao stays, how they will use Liao. But I mean, in this game. Well, for me, it's, I think he will state Liao, but I'm more concerned about the Mike Mignon situation. And that is one that they need to
01:01:00
Speaker
resolve uh given where his when his i think he could potentially i do think he could potentially go but then again it also depends on what goalkeeper positions are open in europe right now that is that is the question i mean i'm looking at the premier league and i'm thinking ask no we're not going to sign someone man city have got edison um you know i'm looking at psg to be perfectly honest with you i'm looking at psg because donaruma and luisa rica
01:01:28
Speaker
do not mix. And I think Dona Ruma. But then they have to find a place with Dona Ruma and then he needs to move somewhere. They need to find a club for him, you know, first before they can do that transfer. But yeah, PSG could be one buying could be one because I think that manual noise 38. So maybe manual noise, I mean, buying could be the biggest opening for him, I think. I think he has. Buying or PSG?
01:01:53
Speaker
Those are the ones I'm looking at, Bayern and PSG. Yeah. I don't see anywhere in the Premier League. I mean, you could say Man United, but is he going to go to Man United? Who in their right mind would go to Man United right now?
01:02:05
Speaker
no and also Chelsea needs someone to be fair Chelsea need a goalkeeper but again you know depends if you want to go there if you want to go there I guess money does talk and that is the problem with him signing a new contract that Milan is the money so it's going to be interesting to see where Osseman and Mignon end up to be honest if they you know what happens with them that's two things I'm watching
01:02:29
Speaker
Yeah. Osseman, I think, I do think Osseman PSG. I do think Osseman PSG. But yeah, let's see. It's going to be interesting to see because Milan, I think, will lose one of Manion Liao or Teo Hernandez, I think, will be sold this summer. I'd be surprised if, it's just the way Milan do business, that I will be surprised if they all stay. I will be surprised.
01:02:55
Speaker
Okay, enter very, very quickly. Back to their clinical best. They smashed frozen on it for five.
01:03:02
Speaker
I'm not sure if it finished like this, but I know when they scored their fifth goal, Intrude had five shots on target and scored five goals, which was quite amusing. I thought it was a little bit harsh on frozen on it in this game. I thought it was a little bit unfair. I think they deserve to lose by five goals. But, I mean, the players I want to single out are Barella on the first two goals. Absolute genius pass to Frateri in the second goal. I mean, Italy, this is the Barella. We need Barella like this in the Euros, man, because this was
01:03:33
Speaker
He's magical. I mean, he's now doing those touches of class. He's probably sometimes unfairly seen Barella as this kind of player that just covers all the grass, is so energetic, does a bit of everything. But he has the touches of class. He has everything. He does. He has everything. That's the thing. He really is a complete midfielder. He's technically brilliant.
01:03:58
Speaker
He has his vision and creativity is fantastic, but he's also his tenacity, his work rate. He is a complete midfielder. He really is a complete midfielder. In many ways, he reminds me, everyone compares him to Stankovic, but I remember Lothar. This is Lothar. Lothar was this good. He could do everything in a midfield.
01:04:23
Speaker
He could dominate possession, he could create, he could shoot from far. His crossing was fantastic. His set pieces were brilliant. He had a touch of class. He was tenacious. I see more... I see more... I see more of a poor man's Mercedes than I do Stankovich. I don't see Stankovich comparison at all, personally. I see the Mercedes. For me it's Lotto.
01:04:49
Speaker
Yeah. And this is what pisses me off when he's given a tactical role, either for Italy or for Inter, like when he's just played at right midfield basically and told to just play that role for the team. He's way too good for that. Just let him free, unshackle him, let him do what he did for these first two goals or for that second goal. Give him the license. But when you've got a freer role,
01:05:12
Speaker
I mean, when you've got a brain-dead footballer like Denzel Dumfries, and I use the term footballer very loosely here, on the right wing, which you have to think, run and play for, then this is what happens. I still disagree with it though. I still disagree with it. I still think that Inter will gain more from, and Italy especially, will gain more from freeing him up than from
01:05:36
Speaker
from minimizing the damage from another player for using him for that role. So I just think he's so good now and he's in the peak of his career and I just hope that he brings this to the Euros because he's just world class. This is world class. This is a world class player. No, we can say that, right? We don't call many Italian players world class because there isn't many, but he is
01:05:57
Speaker
He is our, maybe he is our one outfield world-class player, I think, right now. Probably the only one that you can say for definite is a world-class player, but it's the outfield. It's not a rumor, maybe you could call it a world-class goalie, but he's fantastic, fantastic.
01:06:16
Speaker
Yeah, and some interesting other points. Grazie got a goal. Buchanan. Buchanan. Buchanan. Buchanan. Buchanan. Jesus Christ. Buchanan got his first goal for Inser as well. La Torre ended his goal throughout. And even Sensi came on as well and was balling apparently.
01:06:37
Speaker
Yeah, well, as he does the, I mean, after... Was that into Twitter? Was that into Twitter? No, who was it? Stefano Sensi is like the ultimate prick tease, isn't he? I mean, a football term. It's just exhausting to watch him. It's just...
01:06:55
Speaker
He has these fantastic moments and bursts of world class, and then he's a Ming vase, which chips you have to put him in behind a glass case. I'm exhausted with it. It's such a shame because the talent and technique and ability is there, but it is what it is. I hope wherever he goes, I don't know, because if not even Inzagi can find a way to keep him healthy and be able to play him and trust him,
01:07:22
Speaker
then I really don't know who who can do it and where he goes, you know, I really don't know. Maybe it's one of those things where Juventus could look at him and go, well, you know, we can afford to have him as a rotation player. No way. Because no one in their right mind is going to sign sensei with his injury situation. I mean, it's just there's no one, no big deal. On low wages, on low wages, because I mean, look, again, the qualities, like when he is
01:07:47
Speaker
like he his vision is like he is oh no doubt about that it's a big shame it's a big shame really yeah it really is a big shame and i'm getting tired of like i said i'm tired of italian talented players getting injuries ruin it it's starting to like this is enough now it's not your look here's a sense like can we please just have a bit of luck now yeah it's like enough
01:08:08
Speaker
But with senses, it's always been a serious injury, like, isn't it? It's always been lots and lots of little injuries rather than like a broken leg or an ACL. Like, does he ever done an ACL? Was he ever done his ACL? Off the top of my head, I don't even recall if he's ever done it, had a serious injury. It's just been muscle in with him. It's muscle injuries. Yeah. But look, Buchanan, for me, the most positive thing is Buchanan, because this is someone you need to believe in. And he's been really shoehorning him on the left.
01:08:38
Speaker
because he really believes in him on the left which I think is interesting because that suggests to me that when they sell Denzel Dumfries they'll buy someone for the right to start and that's interesting because I like Buchanan on the left the fact that he can cut in as opposed to Federico Di Marco who can't cut in or dribble past anyone but he's got a fantastic world-class left foot in terms of deliveries Buchanan offers something else because it's clear they want to play Carlos Agusto as the left center back
01:09:08
Speaker
and rotating him with Bastoni. And then you've got Defraya Cherbinic season in the middle, and then you've got Bisic and Pavar to the right. So of the back three, you've got Darmian who can play everywhere, and then you've got the situation with Dumfries, and then you're like, okay, well,
01:09:26
Speaker
He doesn't want to extend. They're looking to cash in on him, and given that they only bought him for 12.5 million euros three, four years ago, that's kind of already been paid off. So it's all plus valenza if they sell him for 2025. So it's a good business if they can find a proper replacement for him. And the fact that Buchanan can play on the left as well and has been looking better,
01:09:49
Speaker
It makes me happy, it really does. Yeah, enter in a fantastic starting position for next season, there's no doubt about that. They've got another clean sheet. They're an incredible position, already red hot favourites for the Scretta already now. Another clean sheet, best defence in Europe this season, statistically 19 for season 36.
01:10:10
Speaker
Real Madrid are the next best in Europe with 22 conceded and then Lebakouz with 23 and they've got the most clean sheets as well in Europe so big numbers there defensively 21 yeah 21 clean sheets in the city. Yeah, sorry. I'm in 19 for for soma for soma. Yeah, that's why I'm in Lazio Lazio win just about the employee so they they keep the the pressure on
01:10:38
Speaker
on the top six. I mean, they could definitely overtake Roma. And now, obviously, this weekend is going to be massive for the top, for the sixth place, let's say, because that's your go away to Inter and Roma play Genoa. And I mean, you'd expect Roma should should win against Genoa. Then they play emply away in the last game of the season. So that is a real Roman battle for that.
01:11:07
Speaker
for that sixth place. It could go either way. It really is. It really could. But the most important thing out of all of this is the fact that from spot 14 to 19 is only five points difference.
01:11:23
Speaker
Verona 34, Kalyari 33, Frosinona 32, Empoli 32, Udineir Serk game in hand, playing tonight against Leccia 30, and Sasolo 29. I mean, that is, we've only got two games left, this is madness. And I'm looking, okay, so Verona, Verona got Salah and Itana away in Inter at home. A win against Salah and Itana should keep them up. You've got Kalyari who plays Sasolo next weekend. And then,
01:11:51
Speaker
you've got Cagliari Fiorentina, the last game of the season. Frosinone have got Monza and Udinese at home in the last game. Empoli have Udinese and then Roma.
01:12:03
Speaker
And then you have Odineze, who have Lecce, Empoli and Frosinone. I mean, they should be able to take six, seven points from that and avoid this mess that they shouldn't even be in. And of course, you've got Sasolo, who got Cagliari at home and then Lazio away. I think Sasolo are going down. Yeah, they need a miracle, Sasolo. Then it's really up for grabs. I can't shake off the feeling, looking at these games, unfortunately,
01:12:32
Speaker
Davide Nicola's miracle, like, between... Well, listen, it's Udines et empley. That's going to be the decisive point. Well, tonight, leche. Look, Udines are playing leche. They have to win that game. If they do, they're on 33. And then there are four points clear of sasolo, which is very, a nice cushion to have, which all but relegates sasolo, if we're perfectly honest. So that's really important.
01:12:59
Speaker
Um, but it's, it's just mad the way this is going to happen. Like the way this is playing out is, is, is mad. It is mad. We'll have, and we will talk about it more, uh, for sure. On next week's show, um, corporate telefiner. We're just going to, we're not going to have time to preview this notes. We've gone way over, but, uh, yeah. Atalanta Juventus on Wednesday. Um, Skamaker is suspended for Atalanta. Locatelli is suspended for Juventus. Um, it's, uh, yeah, it's going to be a huge, huge game. We will do, um, we will do a reaction to that, uh, after the, the game.
01:13:29
Speaker
But I'm going to tell you why, I'm going to tell you why, Atalanta, why I think you are going to win this. And it's because Allegri knows how to be a party pooper tactically in finals. He knows how to do that. And he knows exactly how Atalanta play and how they attack and how they what their weaknesses are. And there are weaknesses and he's going to maximize that. And even if he doesn't have, even if there is some sort of a rift in the dressing room, it's a final.
01:13:59
Speaker
and players at this level want to win. And without Skamaka, that's a huge, huge drop-off for how Atalanta play and how they attack.
01:14:08
Speaker
So I really think that Juve are going to win this final. Skamaka is a big blow and Juventus can certainly win this final. There's no reason. It was a final. Final was a final. But it's certainly nothing to do with Allegri. I mean, it's because Allegri... Yes, it is to do with Allegri. You're going to have to... But you're basing that. This is what... Sorry, Nemo. I'm not taking out on you, but this irritates me, right?
01:14:31
Speaker
You're basing your logic on something like we've been good in finals seven years ago. It's irrelevant. The last three years have shown.
01:14:39
Speaker
He hasn't won anything in three years. So you're basing it on his first spell, which is irrelevant now. This is what needs to stop about Allegri. What he did in his first spell, again, is completely irrelevant to what he's doing now. Otherwise, we can talk about Mourinho and what he did in his before. We can talk about Fabio Capello being a major. We can talk about Ernst Hapel in the 1980s. What they did in the past is irrelevant to what they're doing now.
01:15:07
Speaker
You know, Juventus, I think, can win this final. There's no, you know, they, you know, they've got the they can win it. It's a final. And Schumacher is a huge play. But then I do think Locatelli is bad as he's been. I think that probably Atalanta have more possible replacements for for for Schumacher in terms of depth than Juventus do for for Locatelli. That would probably be fair to say, would you say? I mean, who comes in for Locatelli? Probably not as not a lukeman. And yeah.
01:15:37
Speaker
I mean, Atalanta got Lukman, they can play Ilbila Tore, but I mean, I look at Juve and I'm thinking, yeah, look, Atelier missing that is a blow for them. But given that they're, how they're going to play, I don't think it's that much of a blow either. No, it's good to spend anyway. I like it to shit house the shit out of this. Like if Juventus, I mean, it's going to be, I mean, I think it's going to be the most
01:16:01
Speaker
A legri win of all time. I'll tell you what, I'll say one thing. What I'll say is this, from Atalanta's point of view, my concern is, for them, is the same as the concern I have for Fiorentina before the Intercopitalia final last year.
01:16:17
Speaker
Is which which wasn't was the copper telefinder before the conference league final last year as well? Yeah, it was in Fiorentina players before that. Yeah, so my concern is that yeah, we did the Atalanta kind of need to win this game against Juventus not just to win a trophy which which they so deserve of everything they've done but also I fear that if they lose this final to Juventus
01:16:39
Speaker
then psychologically going into that Leverkusen final, it's like, I think they're going to lose that final as well. So I think it's almost going to be like, if they want to win that conference league final, they have to win this game. They have to, they have to. I look at it, I think that I see what you're saying, but my look at it like this, that I want them to view the Juva final as a dress rehearsal for the Europa League one, because they in the sense that they have to be
01:17:08
Speaker
be ready mentally in the sense that they know that how you are going to play. They need in the sense that they need to be clinical. They can't create a hundred chances against Allegri and score one and then wonder why they lost to one. You know what I mean? Like you can't do that. You need to be clinical. So I view this as a dress rehearsal for the actual one, which is the Europa League final. I don't think anyone in the world, I mean, as much as I think Chabi Alonso
01:17:35
Speaker
what we're seeing, his breakthrough this season is probably the most interesting and fascinating breakthrough of a coach since Mourinho's Porto side won the treble with Europa League and everything in Portugal.
Chabi Alonso's Managerial Breakthrough
01:17:51
Speaker
It's a fascinating career, managerial breakthrough this season in Europe, the way that they've won, not losing a single game all season. They can actually still win the German Cup
01:18:04
Speaker
and end the German domestic season with zero losses, which is unbelievable. Invincibles. And if they were to do it in Europe as well, that would just cement him as this is the next big thing in European football in terms of a manager. So that's why I'm thinking I'm looking at Atlanta and I'm going
01:18:24
Speaker
I'm not saying burn it away, but I'd rather they focus on the Europa League and try to learn how to handle that and study that game more. Because the Copa Italia final, they can reach that next year, but they can't reach a European final next year.
01:18:40
Speaker
That's a bigger launch.
Serie A's Mother's Day Campaign
01:18:42
Speaker
Listen, I think they have to win a trophy. It's going to be an interesting game anyway. Let's finish off with Bad Joe, Prem Face and Celia Ass of the Week. So Bad Joe, I've got two. First of all, I'm always very critical of Serie A and they're ridiculous campaigns that are always badly executed. But I actually like the one that they did this weekend, the initiative of Mother's Day.
01:19:08
Speaker
putting the names of the mothers on the back of the show I actually thought that was really really lovely and I thought it was a really really good idea and I thought it was well executed as well and that is very rare very rare for you to say that it's a simple idea but it was executed really well and I thought it sent out really a good message and
01:19:27
Speaker
and I really liked it. I thought it was innovative and something that I haven't seen done before. So I liked that. And also Komo going up to Celia as well, which is also a really nice story as well. I
Como's Promotion and Financial Backing
01:19:44
Speaker
love that. I love that. First time since 2002. Yeah. Yeah. First time since 2000. Welsh manager. Two or four more who've been through. Yeah. Ocean Roberts. Yeah. I mean, they've been through footballing hell and back.
01:19:57
Speaker
They were, you know, after 2002 and how they were relegated down the, you know, down the tiers and, you know, coming back up again and Ocean Roberts, when he took over, I think it was in December and he was a caretaker manager in the way that he managed to turn everything around and, you know, Cesc Fabregas and, you know,
01:20:19
Speaker
Thierry Henry and like the way that they're doing it is just so nice to see it was there as well. Yeah, it was quite quite interested. They are well back though. Their owners are very, very rich, very, very rich. So it'd be interesting to see what kind of investment they put into the club going into Serie A next season. I have no idea if they plan to invest big or not, but they have the money like they are multi, multi billionaires.
01:20:46
Speaker
the owners. Prem Face of the Week, I've got a couple here.
Debates on Mbappe and League Quality
01:20:56
Speaker
First of all, from our Patreon, this was sent in by Claudio Calterruccio, who's a fellow Bedford boy. He sent in, he said, I was listening to Drive Time on TalkSport today, and there was a classic discussion between Andy Goldstein and Darren Bent. They were debating whether Kilian Mbappe is overrated.
01:21:16
Speaker
because he had never scored in a Champions League semi-final. Goldstein said that he is overrated. Bent said that he'd rather have Declan Rice in his team.
01:21:33
Speaker
Then he said that it got better because the listeners then started calling in and they were like taking it to the next level and one listener said that the English Championship is a better level than Ligue 1, so we can't talk about how good Mbappe is until he leaves Ligue 1. The levels of insanity are at a new high, he said. Four goals scored in two World Cup finals, eh? Best player in the World Cup, doesn't matter.
01:22:02
Speaker
It doesn't matter. I mean, for Hatrick in a World Cup final. Look, it's getting ridiculous now. I mean, it's like this is nonsense. The Premier League had one team in this in the semifinal of the European Cups this season, and it was Aston Villa who got there via penalty shootout in the conference league. So you have the most money. Yes, you have the best players, the best coaches. But you're not delivering the results.
01:22:32
Speaker
So maybe, you know, take a chill pill. Yeah. And also another another common of people can overeat it. Yeah. And another one is that I seem to hear this every single every single year with Real Madrid. We hear it from that. It's just like a staple of the prim face diet. And that is Real Madrid when the Champions League will get to the fire and when it's this Madrid are not even a good team. Man City should have beaten them. And Paul Sculls said those exact words again. And he said Bayern Munich were better than them. Did anybody watch?
01:23:03
Speaker
The Madrid against Bayern. Madrid battered them. They should have won 5-1. They happened to score two late goals. They absolutely destroyed them.
01:23:16
Speaker
watching that game. They were saying, oh, it's defensive masterclass. They were saying the same thing about Dortmund. When PSG battered Dortmund, they had an XG of four in the game. They battered them. They absolutely battered them. They just didn't put their chances away. It's like these people, they watch another sport. They really do. And the funny thing is that they were all praising Dortmund for a defensive masterclass. Yet when Madrid just about beat City, when City had 70% in the possession, they actually didn't have that many clear chances.
01:23:46
Speaker
They were saying that Madrid were lucky. So it's like, which one is it? The bias is unreal. And then the third one was, I got set this yesterday.
Marketing Critique in Serie A and Juventus
01:23:57
Speaker
This was hilarious. So CBS was showing the old firm Derby between Rangers and Celtic. And I think Celtic were 2-1 up at halftime. And then CBS was showing highlights of the first half.
01:24:10
Speaker
At half time only for some weird reason they were showing highlights of three goals that were in a previous old fan derby So not from the actual game that was on at the time. I love that. That's so good. So so good. Yeah Syria asks of the weak nimmer assuming don't have a prim face and
01:24:37
Speaker
Did you see this? The Mbappe thing is something I saw as well. And so, no, I don't have one. But for me, the Serie A is that... That create... Sorry, but that hyped post on Thomas O'Bondance again fouled. What was that? The Serie A official Twitter account.
01:25:05
Speaker
What am I looking at? It's just, what was special about that? They do this all the time. They put photos with no emotion or no that tell no story at all.
01:25:21
Speaker
And then they hype it up. I remember they did a photo of this female fan in the crowd. And she was just sitting there with no expression. And then they put a caption of like, this fan is having an amazing time or something.
01:25:43
Speaker
there's such a walking own goal this lot and it's like it's just it's it's for me it's the the number the number one wtf account on twitter and on football twitter is the seria english account it's just it makes no sense and who is running it
01:25:59
Speaker
I want to know who runs it. If they put this out on some company running it, I want to know who it is. What are they thinking? That's the reaction from everyone.
01:26:16
Speaker
It's not just Serie A. The clubs are putting out this stupid online content as well. We said about Inter putting out that stupid tweet on balling for Sensi, which was really random, kind of thing, Serie A. Juventus took it to another level. I mean, this Juventus influencer before the Selenium time again, you're in the worst run in history, second worst run in history for second half of the season. Just read the room, guys.
01:26:43
Speaker
And then you put out this kind of this teenage influencer who is acting like a child and she's standing there and she's high fiving all the...
01:26:53
Speaker
I don't know what she was wearing. I don't think she was wearing a bikini. It's a bikini and jeans. It's a Juventus shirt turned into a bikini. I'm not even that fussed with what she's wearing so much, even though you could probably pick up on that as well. But she's acting like a little kid. It's really infantilizing.
01:27:14
Speaker
And it is just like, it's just embarrassing. It's embarrassing. And they do this and they push this out before, you know, important game to qualify the Champions League against Selenium on the bottom of the league. And then everybody obviously sees it, you know, during and after the game, after just like such an embarrassing performance and result. And it's just like, is this what we're doing? And I've had a few tweets from people who are just like in the industry that even at work with the event, they're just like, what the hell is this? And it's just like, it just sums up
01:27:44
Speaker
like what sums up where journalism is going, but also just sums up Italian football, Italian teams, the Italian league. When it comes to marketing, the league, when it comes to their brand, they just haven't got a clue. They're just clueless. They just don't get it. And the way I described it is they pick up the way that they the way that Italians market now, the way that they're trying to do this modern marketing.
01:28:11
Speaker
is they pick up on some general truths about the modern world when it comes to branding and when it comes to marketing. And I'll give you a few examples. America. Everybody knows you've got to break America if you want to be successful with a world marketing campaign, for example.
01:28:30
Speaker
Inspore then there's influences. Everybody knows that influences now Unfortunately are you know a way to to build your product is you use much use influences? And then there's the social campaigns you want to kind of pretty you know If you want to call it virtue signaling, I would call it virtue signaling on some stuff There's there's no real substance to it, you know when it's whether it's racism whether it's diversity whether it's you know
01:28:57
Speaker
equality, you know, whatever it is, you want to be seen to be doing something, right? Even if it means just putting something actually has no impact. Like for example, you know,
01:29:09
Speaker
anti-racism campaign where you just put up a message saying no to racism, which is just a message and actually does nothing, but at all. So you want to be seen. So these things are general truths, right? But then, Seria try and do something with these three things, but they execute it so, so badly because they haven't got a clue how to do it. And that's where you get what's going on with the American stuff that was just embarrassing.
01:29:34
Speaker
And what you what you get with, you know, they're trying to use an influencer now, and this is what they do. This is how they execute it. I think it's just embarrassing. Do you understand what I'm trying to say there? I don't know if I've described it very well, but they take these general truths, but they haven't got a clue how to actually execute it at all.
01:29:55
Speaker
And it just ends up being embarrassing. Apparently, events have this creator lab for influencers now that they just invite them to come and create content, like what this woman is doing. And it's just like, what is this?
01:30:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's so cringe. It really is cringing. You see how she's standing there like a three-year-old. Like, oh, it's really, really, it's really, really embarrassing, to be honest. Yeah. It really is. It's so dumbed down as well. Yeah, it is. It really is. And it treats those... Like, hey, hey, fine guys, hey. You know, like... Yeah, it's so embarrassing.
01:30:38
Speaker
Anyway, let's leave it at that. Well, we've seen it before, but it's not the first time. They've had this cringy attention, attention and nonsense for quite some time. If you know, if you know, you know. But it literally is low IQ stuff. It's infantilizing, like you say, and it's embarrassing, really. And I hear what you're saying. I'm not having to go just at Juventus here, by the way. This is across the board. They haven't got a clue. Juventus are trying to get ahead of the curve with this kind of...
01:31:08
Speaker
you know, like you said, the low IQ stuff, because they think that this is the way to attract the young audience. They think this is the way to attract the young. That's that's what they're trying to do here. You know, there's concrete America and there's concrete concrete youngsters. Yeah, it's conquering kids like what they call it.
01:31:38
Speaker
Let's leave it at that, guys. We'll be back for the Q&A on Tuesday and then later in the week for a midweek show. Until then, ciao ciao.
01:31:46
Speaker
Yeah and then and then also yeah just one thing and then next week just to give everyone a heads up so this week we're doing Tuesday Q&A and then Thursday we're talking about the Copa Italia and other things and next week we'll be doing the Monday pod on Tuesday just so everyone knows because I'll be I'm gonna be in Italy too for the Inter Scoredetto party and also because there's big games being played on Monday so next week the Monday show will be on Tuesday.
01:32:12
Speaker
Until next time, take care of yourselves and each other. Ciao ciao.