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Juve Roll Past Cagliari, Atalanta Shine, and Milan Discussion (Ep. 38)
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The CDR Show's Return
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Speaker
Welcome to the Seria show!
00:00:16
Speaker
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another edition of the CDR Show. I hope you missed us. We are finally back after the break. We apologize for the delay. We were going to record this a couple of days ago, but then we ran into a recording. Snafu, we'll call it, but we are back. Very excited. Joined just by Chloe today. Nima's not here, although he may unexpectedly hop on just because we had another scheduling conflict.
00:00:41
Speaker
So, just Chloe and myself for now, and we'll see if Nima, he is to be determined at this point. So, yeah, quite a lot
Fiorentina's Managerial Changes
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happening. Chloe, I know in your team, Piotr and Tina, I just cannot understand. So, we didn't address this because we were off when it initially happened. So, let's just get this out of the way. Montela gets the sack, which is something we all expected, frankly. But come on, they have to make a better appointment than that, right?
00:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, obviously as a Fiorentina supporter the appointment of Yakini isn't the most thrilling you can imagine. However, I think they were in such a dire situation that maybe all I can think is that they've got him in because they know he can do a job, they know they won't go down with him involved and well, we hope, and
00:01:39
Speaker
that they'll just keep him until the end of the season before getting somebody really good. Because at the moment I can't see how, even though they have the funds and the ambitions, I can't see how they can attract somebody really a big name because they've just been so terrible and it doesn't look like an attractive prospect. There's, you know, there's still talks about the new stadium still ongoing so
00:02:02
Speaker
There's nothing concrete. It's all just promises at the moment. And while I believe that those promises are true and that they are on the right path, I can see how somebody who was going to be appointed as manager might not be able to see that quite yet. So do you see this as merely a short term prospect? I would just be so uninspired if they actually stuck with him beyond the summer. Or do you think there's actually the possibility
00:02:27
Speaker
They start getting results. Maybe from an aesthetic standpoint, they start to look better. Do you think they could actually make this something just beyond the short term? I hope not. I really hope not. Because we all know that Yakin is a pragmatic coach. He can get the job done, but it's never going to be pretty under him. It's never going to be.
00:02:48
Speaker
enjoyable attractive football and I hope that the owners know that attractive football is something that's so important to Fiorentina supporters and that they're not even if they're getting wins they're not really going to be too happy with somebody who's
00:03:06
Speaker
just defend, defend and nick a goal on the break is that, you know, it's just not, that's just not the way to do it. But my only concern is that they kept Montela so long. And I think Miso is a kind of a loyal guy, he's loyal to his employees. And if Yakini starts doing well, maybe they could keep him, but I so hope not, because they really need to just have this as a short term appointment.
Serie A Game Reviews
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Speaker
just salvage what they can out of the rest of this season and then move on to somebody hopefully when they've signed some good players they can attract an equally talented coach to come in. Sure, yeah I agree with that that's fair enough. All right well let's move to the latest results then so this past weekend we had a number of
00:03:52
Speaker
eye-catching results. We're not going to talk about Oroma. I don't want to talk about it. Matsari, I don't know how he pulled that one off. Oroma had 31 shots. Just very little to say. I thought they were very unlucky, although the performance wasn't great. But I want to start with Juve Cagliari.
00:04:10
Speaker
I think the concern for, well, let me just say I speak for myself when I say this, but I, it seems to be sort of the underlying concern we all had for Cagliuri. For me, Maran was the biggest question mark for them coming into the season. We all praised what they did in the summer with the transfer market. You know, they brought in Nangolan, Nandez, Simeone. They did a lot of good things in the summer. I thought they improved dramatically.
00:04:36
Speaker
But I feel like this is where the obvious limitations to having a manager like Maran, they just, it's so easy to pick out because I thought his approach was absolutely dreadful. Juve was good, Ronaldo obviously with a hat trick, but I thought Maran was just dreadful. I thought he got it all wrong in that one.
00:05:00
Speaker
Yeah, I think we saw the Kyovo version of Moran there very much so. I think, you know, the way he got Kyovo to stay up every single season was against the big teams, when you get more than one nil down to just give up and to just save the energy, save the energy for battles that you actually can win. Now,
00:05:26
Speaker
that's fine when you're Kieva, but when you're Callery and you've got this good squad, you have to put up a bit more fight than that, surely. They didn't really, they didn't really offer very much at all. I know that Juventus were very good, but the way that Callery had been playing, I mean, the way that they played when they beat Fiorentina 5-2, they were excellent. And that proves that they have got it within them to be very, very good. I think Maran just thought,
00:05:56
Speaker
He went back to his old Kieva mentality and save your legs lads, we'll do better next week. And that's not enough when you're trying to go for Europe.
00:06:05
Speaker
No, I completely agree. Now, do you think, because I believe a lot of people thought that, okay, Caliuri got off to a great start, but can they really sustain this? Will they finally fall back down to earth, so to speak? Do you think this is when we see that from them? Because I thought it was very overstated when people were comparing them to last season at the Lanta. I just didn't see it. I didn't think they have anywhere near the quality. They're a
Juventus' Midfield Dynamics
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good team.
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Speaker
but I don't think man for man they're anywhere near the level of last seasons or even this season's at the latte. It depends really it depends on how they react in the next match if they if they can bounce back then you know one defeat to a very good Juventus side is not the end of the world in itself but if they if they end up losing two in a row then I can very easily see them sliding down the table and
00:06:58
Speaker
and going back to maybe where we'd expect them to be a little bit more. I mean, the comparisons to Atalanta were fine because Callery were playing some sensational football. However, you need to realize that Atalanta's success has been built over several seasons. They've got a very set plan from right to the top with the owner, Picasi, and he's built that over such a long time that
00:07:25
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you know you can't a one-off season it isn't isn't going to be the same thing you know so let's let's see how they how they do how they bounce back and then then maybe judge what they can do for the rest of the season now
00:07:41
Speaker
Now we saw from Juve then play the diamond in the midfield. We saw Ramsey playing behind Dybala, Ronaldo. We saw Pjanic obviously in his deeper role alongside Rabio Matuidi. What do you think about this Juve midfield? Because Ramsey, he's dealt with the injuries. We really haven't seen much from him this season at all. And then you mix that with the attack which
00:08:04
Speaker
I think they sorely missed Costa. So as far as the balance between the midfield and the attack goes, what are you thinking for them? Because I still can't help but feel that we're in January now. I'm just still not impressed with what I'm seeing from this Juve. Now, they're still getting the results. Nobody is doubting that. But when you have this ink dead side battling them so closely,
00:08:27
Speaker
Are you at all worried for this Juve or do you think they have man for man the individual from an individual quality standpoint? Do you still think they'll finish at the top when the Scudetto?
Juve vs. Inter: Title Decider?
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Speaker
I honestly think it will come down to the the head-to-head game the next game between Inter and Juve. I think that Juve will keep winning and Inter will
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Speaker
We'll do the same. We know that Conte can get the results against pretty much any side in Serie A, but I think it's going to come down to that match when they play each other as to who gets the title because it really has been that close. I mean, you know, you mentioned Douglas Costa and Aaron Ramsey. I think when they're both fit that Juve do look really, really good, but can they stay fit? You know, they've not exactly proven that they can.
00:09:17
Speaker
I think it's important that Ronaldo is back on form. I think the fact that he's playing so well now and he's got his hat trick and is really proof that the whole storm over is he upset with Mauricio Sarri or we stormed off after he got substituted. I just think that was a niggling injury. He was frustrated by the fact that he wasn't in tip top condition because let's face it, he always is.
00:09:47
Speaker
And the reaction to the substitutions were his own personal frustration rather than anger or a problem with Sare. And people say, oh yeah, but he went to the international break and he scored three goals to Portugal. Well, scoring three goals in an international game against, I think it was someone like Lichtenstein is not the same as scoring goals in Serie A. And I think now he has got back to full fitness. It just proved that
00:10:12
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his dipping form, people were saying, oh, Ronaldo's finished and, you know, all that kind of reactionary stuff. And he is back on form. And I think if he can, he's the kind of influential player in a side that could really make the difference for them. And they're obviously still getting used to the Maurizio Sarri system. They're getting used to a whole new way of playing. They're trying to, you know, Sarri likes a consistent side, but his best players are sometimes injured.
00:10:39
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getting to grips with all of that, but to have Ronaldo consistently among the goals and back in form is a really important thing.
00:10:48
Speaker
I agree and that's actually a perfect segue because I know it's been a while since we've been on here and we have not had the opportunity to really dive into Ancelotti leaving Napoli and Napoli appointing Gattuso.
Napoli's Form Decline
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Speaker
So if you want to talk about just drastically different ways of playing, I mean my goodness, Napoli they lose at the weekend to Inter.
00:11:13
Speaker
But we've seen now get to his own charge for a couple of matches now. Are you at all convinced that this was the correct way to go? Do you think that maybe they are figuring things out? For me, I just I don't understand this Napoli the the midfield particularly I'm sure there's obviously you can point to the defense. Manolas has been extremely disappointing but for me
00:11:39
Speaker
Fabian Ruiz, this entire midfield, it's so confusing to me how they just look so bad under Ancelotti, under Gattuso. I just can't believe it. No, I mean, it's been a spectacular drop off from them. But if you remember when we were discussing this several weeks ago, we decided that really this Napoli side has come to the end of its cycle and we
00:12:05
Speaker
We said that we thought Ancelotti might leave before the end of this season, which obviously he now has. I don't think the problem is necessarily with the coach. I don't think it's something that Gattuso can necessarily fix. I think they didn't really have the right balance of players to make it work. And after Sarri left, it was...
00:12:29
Speaker
you know, Antolotti kept it going for a little while, but it was at the end of an era. And I think Napoli, we said it before, Napoli needs a complete reset, a refresh. I don't think the players are, have a particularly good or enthusiastic attitude like they did before. It's a mixture of things that have all come to a head and I don't think it's a very good atmosphere. And, you know, I question Gattuso's judgment in taking on a job
00:12:59
Speaker
that really is a bit of a poison chalice for him. I think we all said that it felt like this is the end of the cycle. And the thing is too, I mean the ones that you would think in the times where they're struggling, Kulibali, Insinie, I mean those seem to be the ones who are struggling most. Now Insinie above all has just been shockingly bad, but given that it looks like they needed an overhaul,
00:13:22
Speaker
Who do you build around in this Napoli? I mean, Marat, he obviously had the big mistake against Inter, but I still think he's a very high-quality shotstopper. In attack, I mean, is Mielek somebody you build around? Do you even hold on to Insinje?
00:13:40
Speaker
Alain seems like he'll be leaving in the summer. Fabian Ruiz, he'll certainly garner a lot of attention. I guess I don't know where you start because surely somebody will come forward with a big offer for Coulibaly and I can't imagine without Champions League football that Tilarenti says, yeah, you know what, no thank you. It just feels like this is the end, but I don't know who you start the next phase with. I really don't. No, I have no idea.
00:14:08
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I think he is going to have to take a completely clean slate. I mean you would think Lorenzo and Signe with him being a Neapolitan himself and you know having those strong emotional ties to the city and the club that he would be a leader and he would be bold and he would be trying to get his teammates through this difficult period and trying to instill some togetherness but he's not
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got the right disposition to be able to do that. His head's down. To me, the telling thing with Insinie is when he is asked to take a penalty in a big match, he very often misses when the pressure is on. And I don't think he's mentally tough enough to be the leader that really
00:14:57
Speaker
Napoli need him to be. And starting from scratch is just going to be a huge task, but like you say, he's not going to be able to reject some of the offers that are bound to come in for some of the very talented individuals that they've got. So I guess the sporting director has got a big job on his hands probably in the summer to bring in basically a whole
Inter's Success and Challenges
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new team.
00:15:21
Speaker
On the other side though, Inter, they get their first victory at the São Paulo. I think I've read since 1997. Just something extraordinarily long. From an aesthetic standpoint, it wasn't very pretty. But I think, listen.
00:15:40
Speaker
Lukaku, I think he got a lot of stick both England and in Italy when Inter decided to bring him. But oh my god, the partnership that he and Lautero Martinez have formed has just been sensational. And does Inter have the have the depth to take this all away? It remains to be seen. I think you and I both said that they would win the Scudetto, yeah? Do you still stand by that? Yeah, me? Yeah.
00:16:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'll say yeah. I'm not completely convinced, but... Okay, so I guess for me, is that the biggest trepidation with you? Do they have the depth? Because Conte has complained about it a number of times this season. The January window is obviously open, so you would assume that they do something, whether it's something major, minor, who knows? Obviously bringing in another striker to rotate with Lukaku and Lautoro seems to be the priority right now, but
00:16:36
Speaker
From their standpoint, what is it about them that worries you? And do you think that this form that their attack has with Lukaku and Lautoro, do you think they can keep this up? Because they have been incredible. Yeah, they have. I mean, Lukaku seems to have formed this real friendship with Lautoro. He said that he's friends with him off the pitch as well.
00:17:00
Speaker
It just shows with Lukaku and as well Chris Smalling that just because they both struggled at Manchester United didn't at all mean that they were going to struggle elsewhere. There is clearly a deeper problem going on there. And Lukaku has come in and defenses aren't really used to playing against the type of striker that he is and he's just done phenomenally well and I'm so pleased for him because he
00:17:26
Speaker
he looked like he was a shadow of his former self before he made the move so you know that that is a one positive but I don't know I think maybe a lack of depth it depends on who they bring in during the summer window and we all know that Marotta is sorry the January window we all know that Marotta is very talented and who he brings in it's a tough one I think it
00:17:53
Speaker
Again, it comes down to whether they've actually got the quality to beat Juventus. I mean, it's not necessarily
00:18:01
Speaker
how good Inter are, it's how, it's if UVA are capable of losing a Scudetto after they've won eight in a row. Getting over that mental hurdle is a big one, but if anyone can do it, Antonio Conte is the ultimate motivator. Any mental barriers, he'll break them all down and we've already seen he'll have his players just running and running and running for them and it might not be pretty, but
00:18:29
Speaker
He knows how to win in Serie A. He's done it before and, you know, to be fair to him, he's done it in England as well. Yeah, another team who likes to run and run and run and run.
Atalanta's Consistency
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Speaker
Atalanta. They absolutely pummel Parma by a score of five to zero. They've got Duvan Zapata back. Ira Chich has looked great. Papu is Papu. They are one point behind Roma in the final Champions League play. So can they possibly do it again, Chloe?
00:18:59
Speaker
I am never again going to say that Atalanta can't do it. I'm never again going to say it because they keep on and on proving people wrong and every time you think, oh they've probably reached their limit now, they just come back. We thought they were dead and buried in the Champions League. We thought they were
00:19:16
Speaker
you know they were out, they'd lost, I think it was three games of the first games they lost and then they they ended up going through, they never ever give up and the way that that club has been constructed and the way that the sensible way in which it's been run and that the players are even the ones that they've sold it's not mattered because they've invested the money they've received very sensibly
00:19:45
Speaker
I don't see them going away anytime soon because they're really, apart from Juve, they're a maybe inter, there are no other clubs in Serie A that are run that intelligently and that is beginning to tell on the pitch and it doesn't matter that they're a small club, it doesn't matter that they're only a few miles from San Siro and the two huge
00:20:07
Speaker
Milan clubs. It doesn't matter, they don't care and that is their ethos and their mentality. We don't care who you are, we're Atalanta, we're together in United and we're going to beat you and that's just it.
00:20:20
Speaker
Yeah, and the thing is they have their identity and they will play that identity every single time. Now they got pumped by Manchester City when they went with that identity on the pitch, but it doesn't matter. They play the same way every single time and it's at just such a quick, the running, the pressing. It's a sight to behold. I implore you, if you haven't watched them, to take a look. And this weekend is probably one of the
00:20:48
Speaker
best times to do so because they face Inter in Milano while Roma hosts Juve so top of the table clashes that should be very very exciting.
Milan's Ownership Insights
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Speaker
Now I'm very excited to get to this discussion about Milan because we're going to talk about Milan we're going to talk about Zlatan and we're going to talk about a piece that you wrote for Forbes Chloe in regards to the previous management.
00:21:10
Speaker
So let's start with that. I read the piece that you wrote. It was great. If you could just summarize for people who you spoke to, what you talked to them about, just give them a little bit of an idea of this piece you wrote for Forbes on the former Milan management.
00:21:27
Speaker
Yeah, so I spoke to David Hanley, who is the former AC Milan executive. He was very heavily involved in the day-to-day operations, sort of a right-hand man to Yong Hanley, the former owner. You know, they'd been silent for such a long time. So when I
00:21:52
Speaker
had the chance to interview David Hannah, I thought it was a huge opportunity, not just for me personally, but for the Milan supporters to hear their side of what happened because in the press, we'd only heard one side and I couldn't understand why they hadn't spoken out and why they didn't say what really happened. I mean, in that deal, they lost 500 million euros because
00:22:20
Speaker
they'd already put money in and obviously because they borrowed money from Elliot to complete the transaction, they couldn't make the payments and then they lost the club. So why hadn't they spoken? Why hadn't they clarified? And I found out through speaking to him that it was actually because they were very hurt by some misleading stories in the press.
00:22:48
Speaker
David Hahn was an intelligent guy, spoke very good English, and they're not as sort of foolish as people might think. So yeah, I got to speak to him. He said that he believed that there were forces within the club sort of acting against them. There was lots going on, and I think probably there's more to this story than meets the eye.
00:23:16
Speaker
because obviously the narrative has very much been like the Chinese didn't have any money and you know and then they lost the club but actually the very reason why they got involved with the club is because they had a long-standing
00:23:34
Speaker
real appreciation for AC Milan. In China, when they started watching Seriano, that was the only thing that was on television, the only kind of football that was on television through the late 80s and early 90s, very much like football. Italia was in the UK.
00:23:50
Speaker
it was the only sort of free to watch football. So they fell in love, obviously, if you don't have any affinity whatsoever for a team and you start watching Italian football at that time, you're gonna fall in love with AC Milan. And if you get the opportunity to buy that club and you speak to Silvio Berlusconi and et cetera, et cetera, of course you're gonna take that opportunity. But being from a complete different culture and a complete different background, they didn't,
00:24:19
Speaker
realised some of the pitfalls that they were going to face. They didn't realise how bureaucratic Italy is, how many difficulties they were going to have to overcome. So they really had a difficult time and that is why it's taken them over a year to speak to anybody at all. So it was a privilege to speak to them and to find out what had happened.
00:24:49
Speaker
Yeah, so if you haven't already, please read the piece. You can find it on my timeline. You can find it, obviously, on Chloe's timeline. So I messaged you with this, but after reading the whole thing, one of the things I took away was it really seemed like they were almost trying to put the blame on Elliot for the way things went.
00:25:07
Speaker
which I found a bit confusing because all it takes is a simple Google search to find out who Elliott Management is, what they do, their history. And you don't have to be a, you know, a financial guru to understand that the loan they took out from Elliott was absurd. The terms they got were insane.
00:25:32
Speaker
So it seemed like a deal, when they signed that deal with Elliott Management, it almost seemed like a certainty that Elliott would at some point be controlling Milan. So is that sort of your takeaway from it as well, that they almost feel duped in a way by Elliott? I mean, what are their thoughts on Elliott Management just in general? Because I assume there's obviously still a little bit of bitterness there.
00:25:59
Speaker
Yeah I think they've had time to reflect on it so they've they've kind of you know I think if I'd spoken to them just after they probably would have been really upset and angry but obviously time has passed and they've come to understand what happened a little bit more and when I asked
00:26:16
Speaker
you know, haven't you heard of Elliott and you know, surely you know what kind of business practices they have. They said that they like to take people at face value and don't forget they were also backed, really backed into a corner. They couldn't get the money out of China. They were trying to find refinancing and they were on a deadline. They didn't want to lose the club.
00:26:46
Speaker
So you know I guess like on a smaller scale like other people who were in a desperate financial situation they turned to unscrupulous lenders that's what happened and one of the things in the interview which David explained to me was that they had to put in so much money into the club's accounts every month and
00:27:16
Speaker
And that's quite sort of standard in football that obviously the owners, the club have a bank account which they have to fund everything they need to pay out for obviously. And usually the requirements for how much the owner needs to put in is calculated over a year. Now for whatever reason, there was some misunderstanding and they were asked to find 10 million
00:27:43
Speaker
euros per month into the AC Milan sort of bank account and that's that's really where they started to come up against problems because not only were they trying to find millions and millions for the Elliott repayments they had to
00:28:01
Speaker
put money into the AC Milan bank account and by the end when the default happened actually AC Milan in terms of bank account were very solvent because they'd been putting all the money into the account as was requested by Elliot who because they'd loaned them the money they did have a certain aspect of control of the situation so you know there were there were lots of aspects to this story that I think are probably still to come out we all know that Elliot are ruthless
00:28:34
Speaker
They clearly either wanted to think the best of them or were so desperate to cling on to the club that they had to accept their demands.
Zlatan's Comeback at Milan
00:28:46
Speaker
Well, let's move down on the pitch. The big news was obviously Zlatan. What did you think about that? And we saw the very uninspiring match as they were held 0-0 against Sampdoria.
00:28:57
Speaker
So do you think this really has any effect? Do you think Zlatan is the answer? Does he move the needle for them? I think the return of Zlatan is good in one way and bad in the other, I think.
00:29:10
Speaker
that during this time where, you know, this is probably the worst start to a season in a very, very long time. I mean, I have to pull up the stats to find it, but we all know that this has been an absolute disaster. So the return of Zlatan
00:29:31
Speaker
into a squad of players who've been criticised for a lack of cohesion togetherness. There's been lots of niggling little issues. I think he's probably good in terms of being a leader, he knows the history of Milan. In a similar way to how Gattuzo did, he can probably unite them, which has been lacking since Gattuzo left.
00:29:56
Speaker
But on the other hand, I think it's foolish to place so much hope on a 38-year-old who's come back from MLS and, you know, how much can he really do? How much really at 38 can he do in a European league? I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure that he's going to work out the way that people think that he might.
00:30:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at worst, it gets people excited because, listen, they've had very little to get excited about. So at worst, it brings a little bit of enthusiasm. Maybe that could lift the team up a little, but still it's so hard to know with the January window open.
00:30:39
Speaker
I couldn't even tell you a move that they could make that would dramatically improve the team. I mean, do you see anything in January that they could do that would possibly, other than Zlatan, give them some sort of boost? Because I just don't see it. No, really. I think
00:31:02
Speaker
as we've seen with Napoli and also a little bit with Fiorentina as well, when you've had a bad run, it lingers on even if you bring new people in and, you know, mentally it lingers and that fear of losing creeps in, you know, it's toxic. And I think really until Fonseca came in, Roma was a bit like that too. I agree.
00:31:33
Speaker
So, you know, it takes something to snap the club out of the funk that they're in and really revitalize them. And I don't have the answer for Milan what that is. I don't
Lazio's Title Contention
00:31:45
Speaker
know. Before we go here, a quick word on Lazio. Three horse race or no?
00:31:52
Speaker
I was saying no, completely no, but they keep winning. I thought Badesha and Fairness were very unlucky. I thought they deserved a lot more than that. Yeah, they were unlucky. However, to win these things, you do need luck, don't you? Yeah. But I think that it's too difficult not
00:32:15
Speaker
really because of Lazio themselves but because they're not just going up against one team they're going up against Juve and Inter so they need really both to drop points and and then them to gain it back so
00:32:30
Speaker
To me, it's a two horse race, but I'm happy to be proven wrong if Flatsio just keep going as they have been. Yeah. I mean, the thing for me that has just been most shocking and impressive, the way they get these results in the dying minutes, it's astounding. Yeah. You can call it luck, but for me, yes, there's luck involved, but there is obviously a component to where Inzaghi has them believing until the very last second.
00:32:59
Speaker
I don't think that's something that can be learned overnight. I think that's something that a manager has to instill over a long period of time. Inzaghi has been there for a number of years now. The squad has not had much turnover. So clearly he's doing something there and it has been so impressive the way they get these results in the dying seconds of a match. Absolutely. And I think, you know, we have criticized him for a poor mentality in the past about making excuses and blaming the referee and
00:33:26
Speaker
moaning and that seems to have dried up really and he seems to be rather than concentrating on poor Latzia we're so hard done to, he's focused that on the team and trying to give them that belief like you say in the final minutes and you know Immobolee is the same, he can be dreadful the whole match and then
00:33:47
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pull out something out of the bag right at the end and score the winner and you just can't argue with that. Is it a two or three horse race? I really don't know. Um, but they're right there and the way they play is just so impressive. So, uh, we'll see if they can keep it up alongside Juvain Inter. So that is where we are going to leave this episode. Very happy to be back. We are going to go back to our regularly scheduled programming now. So we will be back later in the week as well. So as always, thank you so much for listening and until next time. Bye-bye.
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