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KubeCon NA 2024 News Recap
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Join Bhavin Shah and Ryan Wallner for a recap of announcements and news from KubeCon North America 2024.
Check out our website at https://kubernetesbytes.com/
- https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20241119538933/en/Spectro-Cloud-Closes-75m-Series-C-Led-by-Growth-Equity-at-Goldman-Sachs-Alternatives
- https://northflank.com/blog/northflank-raises-22m-to-make-kubernetes-work-for-your-developers-ship-workloads-not-infrastructure
- https://snyk.io/news/snyk-acquires-developer-first-dast-provider-probely/
- https://www.nutanix.com/blog/introducing-nutanix-enterprise-ai
- https://thenewstack.io/stacklok-donates-minder-security-project-to-openssf/
- https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/akamai-launches-cloud-agnostic-ready-to-run-application-platform-302302446.html
- https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20241112064093/en/Loft-Labs-Introduces-vCluster-Cloud-a-Managed-Solution-to-Simplify-and-Reduce-Costs-of-Kubernetes
- https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/containers-kubernetes/gke-65k-nodes-and-counting
- https://www.veeam.com/resources/wp-whats-new-veeam-kasten-for-kubernetes.html
- https://www.netapp.com/blog/trident-24-10-best-storage-kubernetes/
- https://podman-desktop.io/blog/2024/11/14/podman-desktop-cncf
- https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/streamline-kubernetes-cluster-management-with-new-amazon-eks-auto-mode/
- https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2024/12/amazon-eks-hybrid-nodes/
- https://thenewstack.io/kueue-can-now-schedule-kubernetes-batch-jobs-across-clusters/
- https://cloudnativenow.com/kubecon-cnc-na-2024/solo-io-donates-api-gateway-to-cncf-to-advance-kubernetes-connectivity/
- https://blocksandfiles.com/2024/11/08/tintri-unveils-kubernetes-container-storage-interface-for-streamlined-management/
- https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/stringerai-announcements/kubiya-launches-captain-kubernetes-ai-tool-for-simplifying-kubernetes-management/
- https://cloudnativenow.com/topics/cloudnativedevelopment/application-dev/cncf-automates-kubernetes-secops-with-kyverno/
- https://www.cncf.io/announcements/2024/11/15/cloud-native-computing-foundation-expands-certification-to-platform-engineering-and-more/
- https://training.linuxfoundation.org/platform-engineering-programs
- https://cloudnativenow.com/topics/cloudnativedevelopment/cncf-kubevirt-v1-4-vms-are-now-just-another-kubernetes-resource/
- https://kubevirt.io/user-guide/release_notes/
- kubernetes.io/blog/2024/12/11/kubernetes-v1-32-release/
- https://thehackernews.com/2024/12/296000-prometheus-instances-exposed.html?utm_source=tldrdevops
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Introduction to Kubernetes Bites
00:00:03
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You are listening to Kubernetes Bites, a podcast bringing you the latest from the world of cloud native data management. My name is Ryan Walner and I'm joined by Bob and Shaw coming to you from Boston, Massachusetts. We'll be sharing our thoughts on recent cloud native news and talking to industry experts about their experiences and challenges managing the wealth of data in today's cloud native ecosystem.
00:00:29
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Good morning, good afternoon and good evening wherever you are. We're coming to you from Boston, Massachusetts. Today is December 16th, 2024. Hope everyone is doing well and staying safe.
Boston Broadcast and Personal Updates
00:00:40
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Bobbin, every time I say from Boston, Massachusetts, I keep moving further west and I feel like I have to change it or just like say we're coming to you and Bobbin's from Boston. Or you can just say New England. ah or coach New England or Greater Boston. or so I feel like I'm lying at this point. And I don't feel good about it. So I think that's that that maybe we get more audience like they didn't. Isn't this what the Patriots did? Like what they call like Boston Patriots before and then when Robert Kraft bought it. I'm not an old school New Englander. I don't know. ah Maybe that's a um yeah maybe it's we're coming to hear from New England. That's not the same. Yeah, I think to it right.
00:01:21
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I don't know. Maybe just add intro. I think we have been doing so coming to you. We're coming to you from near Boston. massachusetts but this is nice We'll put a location in Google. fast Nope.
00:01:35
Speaker
Oh my goodness. It's almost the holidays. I hope everyone is preparing to um get some time off ah if you're not, if you're on like a pager duty or whatever. yeah Feel for you. We'll be thinking about you. I know I'll be working up until the last minute. I actually can't take off some time to move. But what about you? You getting out of here? You stopped working for a little while?
00:02:00
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No, I think I went, I took like a short trip to India, right? So I used my videos. I'm working, okay except the the Christmas day, the like the holidays, but that's it. Like I'll be what here and online too. cool Well, then we'll have to, we'll have to catch up and chat. I did, I did get some Christmas kitties. We rescued Christmas cats. I don't know if I told you this yet, but if you hear some noises behind me, it's because there's a cat tree right there my souls playing on it.
00:02:26
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That's awesome. Yeah, you need to unglure your video for people who are watching us on YouTube. Hopefully Ryan does that and we can see those kitties. ah but already if not Moose and Mateo is their names. And let's see, I don't think I have.
00:02:41
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I did unblur it, but then your camera. Oh, I do see my like blurred kitties. My my Lumia camera is also blurred. It's a double blur is a situation going on. Can't never be too can't be too careful. Well, I keep forgetting that Lumia is that like that smart camera. And then you have a totally separate ah situation here. And while I'm figuring out um how to unblur this. Oh, here we go.
00:03:11
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There we go. There we are. Nice. It's awesome,
Community Engagement and Goals
00:03:15
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man. Hey, this way we can drive our YouTube audience up to our subscribers. We are so close to 500. I would like to like end the year at 500. So maybe this gets those 20 more subscribers that we need. That'll be QCom News 2024 and Cats. And Cats, yeah.
00:03:33
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I'll let them hang out there while as long as they are there. Yeah, Moose and Mateo. Moose has a black nose. Mateo has a traditional pink nose. Nice. OK. Anyway, are you staying? Are you saying warm has been freezing up here? I know. Yeah, I'm staying indoors and warm. Yes, I. Whoa. You OK, buddy? All right, this is going to be more distracting than I thought. Yeah, no, I think the only time I'm stepping out is actually if I have to meet friends or like just do some chores. That's it. Like I'm not going outside for any other reason. You're not doing what I'm doing. You're not doing mountain biking for an hour and a half. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah. Like I'll become an indoor person in the winters for sure.
00:04:18
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I'm more so, but yeah, I still gotta get out. you You've been skiing though, I think, right? You've tried? so That wasn't you? Two years back, I took like an intro lesson and then- I think that's what I was- Yeah. And then realized this is not for me. Maybe I had a bad teacher, but then one of my friends who took a second lesson and did like three or four skiing sessions on his own, ended up tearing his MCL and had to get a surgery done. And yeah, yeah so I was like, yeah, that,
00:04:45
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I don't think I'll have as much fun skiing anyways. That's what like the nine months of pre PT, surgery, post PT. Yeah. Nope. I'm good. Yeah. We can't live in fear, Bob. And you know, yeah sometimes it breaks some ribs. Sometimes you need some MCL surgery. ah This is, this is like, uh, so I've never had a fracture. Like I've never had a cast anywhere. Knock on some wood, Bob. Yep. Yep. Always do that.
00:05:10
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Like, why now? Like, why? I'm 34, so, like, nope, don't want to do that. It's like a while to recover, yeah. I know. i i My daughter's wrist finally is, like, fully healed. But after, like, two weeks in a cast, she was, like, hanging from stuff. I was like, why, you know, i it took me six solid weeks to feel better with these broken ribs.
00:05:31
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but She's like, I'm good. Just remember that we were in the office and like the doctor was like bending her wrist all the way back to her broken wrist. She's like, Oh, she's then they like show you all the space between the bone because she's still yeah growing. And I'm like, Oh, oh to be young again. yeah This makes me sound just old and crotchy, but whatever. I just own it.
Funding and Open Source Contributions
00:05:53
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No, so but I think for this episode, right, we have been postponing news for about two or three episodes, two episodes, I guess. We've been happily and gladly postponing saying news. um Yeah. Yeah, we're going to do a news episode.
00:06:07
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Yeah. And normally um normally we go to KubeCon and get all sorts of firsthand knowledge. And I was supposed to be there. I had ah and a last minute sort of emergency move. I'm in a new house. Yeah. Buy Ryan a beer next time when you meet him in person to tell you that story. It's ah it's a fun story for sure. I will absolutely buy you a coffee whiskey beer if you listen to me. um Yeah, so I would didn't wind up going, but we're going to capture as much as we can realistically without keeping you here for like 14 hours to talk about all the news about so pretty much news starting around that time frame up until this morning when we picked up ah an article. So yeah but why don't you kick us off, Bobbin, on this news journey?
00:06:49
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Yeah. and like Okay. Let's do that. 2024 hasn't been a great year for M and&A and see ah funding new funding rounds. I know we have seen a few here and there, but Kubernetes at least brought us some news in that domain. so I have like a couple of funding rounds and one acquisition. Let's start with the first funding round. SpectroCloud, a vendor in the Kubernetes multi-cluster management space, raised $75 million dollars for your CDC.
00:07:15
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ah so the the The way they put present this or market this is they want to use this funding to fuel the transformation of Kubernetes management at scale across data center cloud and edge. Those are the words i like, okay, this is where everybody's running Kubernetes. Just like word vomit, but I think it's mostly due to like the the changing landscape. I think i so I read something, the changing landscape around VMs, right? and yeah And I guess that makes a lot of sense. We might see more M&A.
00:07:39
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Yep. Yes. But one good sign, I think they they didn't share their revenue numbers, right? Like, because they're still CDC might not have great numbers are not worth sharing, or they might not want to share. ah But they did share a stat that ah they have been growing your annual recurring revenue area by triple digits for the past three consecutive years. So basically, more than 100% growth for 50 last three years. So at least they are on a good trajectory. I think Their seed was in twenty twenty and now twenty twenty four bring CDC and with like ah a in twenty twenty one and being twenty twenty two. So they are on a good trajectory overall. I think they are solving a good problem. ah And now I think as you highlighted, ryan right, like with newer workloads like VMs on Kubernetes and AI on Kubernetes, I think the need for a multi-cluster management tool might become more apparent. So congrats to the Spectre team. And yeah, we are excited to see what you have cooking for us.
00:08:32
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you know, or just at a sort of more basic level, an opportunity for investors again, right? So for for companies to kind of emerge and in a space like that. Oh, yeah. Because it's the Wild Wild West out there right now.
00:08:45
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Post VMware, where do you go with your VMs type of stuff? I think in the next year, we're goingnna we're going to hear some pretty awesome stories though. And I'm hoping KubeCon, maybe even you will have some ah user stories where they really talk about how they're running their virtual machine infrastructure somewhere else.
00:09:05
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yeah i Yep. And I think this year I went to Red Hat Summit in May. ah they had of they They had like three or four sessions. I think Nvidia uses or runs VMs on scale for their gaming platform and Red Hat themselves uses it. And then ah some some bank also, I think Ally Bank or something. All of these were breakout sessions, if I remember correctly. So yeah, but these sessions coming into KubeCon would definitely have a bigger impact because it's not just the Red Hat audience, it's the overall community that gets access to this information. So, no, I agree. Looking forward to it. Sweet, sweet. So we're going back and forth, right? Yeah. All right. um The first one I had on here was solo dot.io, some wow ah past guest, I believe. And we've done a whole episode, I want to say, either on networking or API gateways. It's hard to remember.
00:09:55
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Exactly all the episodes we've done at this point. um But Sola.io donated the API Gateway to CNCF. um And so this is their ah glue mesh based on ambient. um And yeah, I think, you know, the API Gateway market, I i felt like spiked pretty hard a year or two ago. yeah um And so to see, um you know, Glue kind of donate a big piece of their infrastructure is, I guess, interesting, but also telling about, you know, where maybe people's focus are or um maybe it's just strategic for solo. I know they're a huge ah supporter of open source and they do a lot in there. So
00:10:36
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um But it's it's good. Adeep does a ah great job leading that company and ah exciting to see ah their API gateway as part of the CNCF, I guess. I know. more More logos on that complex CNCF landscape chart. So, yeah, let's go. Exactly. like Okay. Next, I think for second funding round, Northflank. Again, I just learned about this company because of the funding round news. um they are Their goal is to make Kubernetes work for the developers. Their whole pitch is but all All the efforts right now, all the work or majority of the work that the developers are putting in is to deploy infrastructure needed for their applications and not focusing on workloads or not focusing on applications. So with this $22 million dollars Series A and seed funding, I think they combined it. um They are trying to pick off where pioneers like Heroku and PCF or the Cloud Foundry left off and they want to... circle Yeah, I know. And they want to focus more on workloads to provide an application level level abstraction on top of Kubernetes. So ah they have like they they were trying to say that IDPs are not solving everything that developers want. So they are building their own platform or not like flying platform that allows dev to build, deploy, scale applications, services, jobs across any clouds in a self service way. So you can use their platform and connect to AWS, Azure, Google, whatever cloud accounts, and then deploy infrastructure or deploy applications plus infrastructure in a consistent way. so um yeah we'll see We'll have to keep track of them and see ah how they deliver this or how good of a solution they build, but definitely an interesting space with all... ah around IDPs. One thing that I found interesting was they didn't really mention as much of platform engineering. So I think we need to catch up with Luca Ryan and see if he's still talking about platform engineering or if that's kind of settling down and becoming more mainstream that it doesn't require like a lot of columns.
00:12:30
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Yeah, you know, I think the whole ah build workflows in infrastructure and using terms like endless YAML files and infrastructure overload, it's going to resonate with a lot of people because the reality is it is a real ah thing people deal with every day, yeah dealing with YAML, building YAML. um And so platform engineering was, I think, you know, gold at trying to make these golden paths to make that easier for people. um But I think what's what's interesting here is that they're saying like Cloud Foundry was the right abstraction.
00:12:59
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but yet we we moved away from that abstraction as an industry so interesting kind of coming back to that bet yeah and at the end of the day you still need some level of abstraction that someone has to understand.
00:13:12
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to deploy these applications. Unless it's, you know, low code, no code, which it might be, I don't know about it, but as much about it, but I've never heard of the company either. So, yeah. No, I think CDA,
Acquisitions and Security Enhancements
00:13:24
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right? So they are, they are still looking for that product market fit or trying to find those early customers, but definitely an interesting space. Cool. Yeah. North flank. We'll have to keep them on our radar for sure.
00:13:38
Speaker
All right. ah The next one I have is about a company adding a CSI interface, which I thought was done. I thought people stopped doing that. You know, yeah I thought I didn't know there were storage companies out there that hadn't yet done this. I get new like net companies that introduce their ones, but Tintry has been around for a really, really long time.
00:14:02
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yeah um and supporting really great workloads and and huge customers. So anyway, Pintry released their CSI interface for, or they're calling it VM store container storage interface, but I'm pretty sure it's like CSI for VM store.
00:14:17
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I don't know in depth too much about Tintry's stuff, but ah basically ah their CSI interface gives you the best of the sort of product underneath the covers that you're used to using with Tintry, of course, um bound by the ah CSI ah protocol and and what it can do. So, ah yeah, late, late joiner. But again, I think this is probably fueled by the VM container consolidation market. yeah um If I were to make a big guess, because that's really been their bread and butter. And so they probably saw this and was like, let's get on Benway. Yeah, I'm sure yeah yeah their customers are like, yeah, we are moving away from vSphere. Can you give us something that works with this Kubernetes thing? Like, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think we're gonna see a lot of change. um
00:15:05
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should say I was going to say induced, but maybe inflicted by that ah ah larger change. But anyway, Tintry joins the likes of like many others in the CSI space. ye but and like the The funny thing is, if you look at Broadcom, right like we we talk about this people thinking about VMware licensing. If you look at the Broadcom stock, last week they announced their earnings.
00:15:27
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It know was up 20%. Like they crossed the $1 trillion market gap and joined. Yeah, like they force people to pay their prices, right? Yeah. Maybe that's going to be a spike until people figure out where to go. I don't know. Or maybe people are just like, we'll pay it.
00:15:42
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kind And I'm sure like VMware is not the only piece of of the the balance sheet, but yeah. ah Man, a trillion dollar market cap company, yeah they are okay losing $100,000 or a million dollars. It's okay. It's not a big deal.
00:15:57
Speaker
yeah Okay, ah next I think talking about acquisitions, sneak, um a vendor in the the Kubernetes security or cloud negative security space acquired. I've been saying that snick for way too long if that's the way to say it. Oh, yeah, I think that somewhere I think you're on their LinkedIn or maybe their website they have sneak, and they actually Yeah, pronounced sneak um in brackets. ah They acquired ah another startup called Probly, and Probly is categorized as a modern DAST provider. And if you are like me and don't know what DAST is, it is dynamic application security testing. Another acronym for us, right?
00:16:34
Speaker
just just have an acronym episode. If you want an acronym episode, let us know. yeah We'll just rally through some cloud native acronyms. That would be fun. It can be like a 15 minute quick episode and with a lot of fun for sure. But but okay, I think the the reason for this acquisition was listed as probably focuses more on testing, like making sure APIs are secure and helping organizations with API security testing. And API security, according to the press release, is becoming more important and mission critical because of the reliance of APIs on things for consuming LLMs as well. So as organizations are adopting LLMs or AI workloads, they are focusing more and more on APIs. I don't think that's the only reason. like APIs is the new way of every application or even microservices talks to each other. So ah yeah, API security testing is definitely important. Probly's DAST platform will integrate into Snyk's existing DAST platform, but what it will add as new things will be the discovery and scanning capabilities that can help them identify. ah We basically get an inventory of what apps or APIs exist and and give you a list of vulnerabilities that might exist in your environment today. So
00:17:44
Speaker
ah Definitely a good acquisition. Snyk also announced that they passed the $300 million ARR number, which is definitely great. And I'm hoping that as soon as the public market, that like the floodgates open, we see vendors from the Kubernetes ecosystem, right? Like Snyk and Viz and those guys ah go public and and yeah, I don't know, generate some liquidity for for everybody in the ecosystem.
00:18:08
Speaker
Yeah, as a as a person who first heard of this while you're telling me, I feel like that value prop for me that came out of that article is really the the the discovery and scanning piece of it, meaning like as we go through this sort of ah sprawl mechanism where we have containers, we have VMs, we have a whole bunch of microservices, yeah um knowing what APIs are out there, what they're doing, if they're secure, those kinds of things, having sort of a A single point of um access to those things and control. ah I don't know. I get it. I get it.
00:18:50
Speaker
Cause I kept, while I was reading this article originally, I was like, how does it run? You know, where is it or what is it doing? What it needs to do? How is it affecting the APIs? You know, and, uh, that's kind of what I, I took away from it. Yeah. No, I think, uh, and I agree, right? Like with API, like having a tool that gives you that single pane of glass interface or giving you a ah good inventory, I think is important because you can't rely on each application team or owner to.
00:19:17
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have proper documentation around what their APIs are supposed to do and what vulnerabilities they might expose or what access they might expose. So yeah, having an external tool to improve your security posture is definitely important. ah Proper documentation. That's why you laughed when you said that. Dude, it never happens. like We aim for that. like Even with GitHub Copilot where we want we are trying to use AI for generating docs from our code, yeah it's not perfect for sure.
00:19:47
Speaker
It's just anyway good. It's good, but so true. I hope other others are laughing while they're laughing as well. All right. um The next one I had here, um which again, i'm I'm a fan for naming of things.
AI Innovations in Kubernetes
00:20:02
Speaker
um I hadn't heard about the company, Cubia.
00:20:05
Speaker
K-U-B-I-Y-A, um but Cubia has launched something called Captain Kubernetes um and immediately made me think of Captain Underpants. I don't know why. yeah um ah but um But nothing like Captain Underpants, other than it being like a superpower or a super thing, I guess. It's sort of an AI tool for ah simple mining simplifying Kubernetes management. And now we've seen a ah number of different companies come out of this space um you know in in the past and probably is worth its own episode at some point right in terms of you know how do you how do you ah let AI ops um sort of manage and help you manage
00:20:50
Speaker
ah Kubernetes, but basically it's it's aimed at and at at enhancing the efficiency of the teams managing Kubernetes. So um whether you call that an SRE ah you know model ah where you have sort of a another colleague always on and always available for questions that you know knows your system really well, or if you call it Captain Kubernetes as like an overarching ah thing to your kubernetes Either way, and it really provides um the same thing, which is ah using
00:21:22
Speaker
you know, and actual human beings' natural language to interact with this thing, to act and ask questions, um have some sort of auton autonomy ah where it can yeah basically act on behalf of what you're asking or telling it to do, um reducing learning curve. So, you know, if someone comes on to a new Kubernetes team, they don't know everything, they can kind of like start to dig in and ask questions um without really knowing all the intricate details of every bit of YAML or kubectl command they might not know. yeah Anyway, so I really like this space. um I think I expected to see more ah more sort of bang for the buck in terms of
00:22:09
Speaker
these tools in these companies like ah K, ADS, GPT, or RunWen, you know, other ones that we've kind of talked with on the and the podcast. yeah um i'm I'm wondering if people are just using them and not telling people like they're like, this is our best kept secret, or if it's not taking, if it's not sort of like, you know, getting the sort of use that I expected.
00:22:33
Speaker
much Maybe they're still in the evaluation phase, right? Maybe a couple of teams are trying it out. And then once they actually trust it to give them the correct information, maybe they then they start talking about it. But as as you listed a couple of vendors, right, I also saw Newbird.ai, like Gu and Vinod. Yeah, Newbird, that's right. Yeah, they raised, like they had closed their series, ah sorry, seed round. And then I think last week they picked up another 22 million from Microsoft M12 Ventures. So yeah, congrats to that new new bot team. But I think they are in a similar space, right? Okay, they're not just focusing on Kubernetes, but they are building like a digital assistant with Hawkeye. And I like that name actually more than Captain Underpants, to be honest. Sorry, Captain Kubernetes. Come on, Ryan.
00:23:17
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you have
00:23:21
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Yeah, it's perfect. ah Yeah, I think we are going to get some hate mails from Kubia guys. like No, no, this is good. This is all good press. Yeah. No, but I think yeah, that definitely an interesting space. I'm excited for 2025. Hopefully these things become more of a reality and actually become that AI assistant that we want ah for Kubernetes. Yeah, Kubia was actually founded in 2022.
00:23:44
Speaker
OK, so it's fairly new, but um been around for some time. And I want to say, um you know, the everything they do is around the eye, but and maybe they weren't stealth until more recently. But anyway, I feel like I've noticed I feel like I've recognized um if you look up their website or anything like that, um they're a little like um Logo guy. Yeah, I feel like I've seen that at a recent coupon. Okay. Anyway, anyway
00:24:19
Speaker
Okay, moving on, moving on to a different vendor talking about AI. I know we had Toby Knopf from Nutanix on the pod last time. ah They also had an announcement during KubeCon, they GA'd their Nutanix Enterprise AI solution. And just a quick, like a one sentence on what it does, it helps enterprises run AI models on Kubernetes. So basically, once you deploy Enterprise AI, ah that's what the the the solution is called. ah You deploy it on Kubernetes, log into the interface, they give you a list of LLMs to choose from. You can choose from like in the NVIDIA NGC catalog, Hugging Face, Model Hub, or upload a um ah ah model manually. ah It helps you deploy those models on Kubernetes, helps you create an endpoint that you can use to test model access, give those endpoints to developers so they can start integrating those as part of your ah part of their application. so um For Nutanix customers, this is definitely a cool solution um that can help you play with models easily inside your
00:25:19
Speaker
um data center, I guess, or inside your Nutanix and what? Yeah, I imagine there's a large number of companies doing this kind of thing. yeah Whether it's hardware companies putting together sort of a stack that does this with some ah some software popped on top, or Kubernetes you know ah industry or or market leaders that come out with sort of their maybe maybe they're a platform and they have this as a module that you can kind of add in and and do that kind of thing. I think it's it makes a ton of sense, although I'm curious about you know if if there's a whole bunch of solutions that do this kind of thing, it seems like it's more of a standard thing that we're going to need to do it as an industry, meaning like find your model, deploy your model, and it shouldn't be
00:26:04
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in my opinion, Nutanix specific or X specific or Dell specific or whatever it may be. um You know, who knows? I like that. Yeah. Although I, you know, like when when it comes to ah the value add of something like Nutanix in terms of like unified storage or anything like that, then fine, like tack on those bits. um But, you know, i I'm curious about where that whole thing will come. I think this is sort of like a um a lot of companies' first ah the approach to it at least.
00:26:35
Speaker
and and new analyticnic calls your solution Enterprise AI. I think NVIDIA has a similar solution that helps you deploy models called NVIDIA AI Enterprise. And then Red Hat has a similar solution called Red Hat OpenShift AI, which, again, doesn't just focus on on deploying models and inferencing. They also help you train by deploying Jupyter workspaces and things like that. But I think that's the ecosystem that's evolving. The podcast that we did earlier this year with the Microsoft team and their open source project called Kite or Kubernetes AI Toolchain Operator.
00:27:07
Speaker
We also saw it's not officially part of the news, but during the week of QCon or after it, ah they made, ka or they donated Kaito to CNCF. So it's now a sandbox project. So maybe that takes off Ryan and becomes that multi-vendor AI deployment thing that you were talking about. So yeah, well, yeah, another interesting space for sure.
00:27:26
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I could see some kind of standardization process coming. Unless, of course, it's specific to you know pulling data from from me owns yes yes from ah from a proprietary place or whatever. yeah Anyway, blast it and lots to unpack there. yes um We could probably talk about for and another two hours all by itself.
00:27:47
Speaker
Um, uh, okay. Moving on to the next one I had, which was around sec ops, you know, we've done a lot. I feel like 2020 for podcasting wise was the year of AI and security when it came to like.
00:28:02
Speaker
I'd have to actually go and and take a look about all the episodes we did. But I feel like we've done a lot there in both of those spaces. um Rightly so, because, you know, those were two areas that were really taking off and and kind of in the ground running. But Civerno was ah officially certified ah to and formalized into the Civerno certified associate exam by the CNCF. And the reason I brought this up is because um Iverno was just one of the ones that um were added um into the sort of the examination. There's also um I think some that are coming are platform engineering specific, meaning like I think one that might be out today is certified backstage associate. OK. But there's also um platform engineering specific certifications, I want to say.
00:28:56
Speaker
um which are coming soon, um which is cloud-native platform associate or engineer certification um coming from the CNCF. So I think um it's interesting to see a Kyverno associate, which is KCA.
00:29:15
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like c Yeah, talking about leave that for the acronym episode. Exactly. Sort of my backstage associate CBA. All right, we're gonna leave those alone. Open Telemetry came out with one of their own, and obviously, interesting though um and then the platform engineering one. So I, um it's interesting people kind of jumping on the bandwagon through CNCF if their project in CNC landscape kind of getting their project.
00:29:39
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Into a certified ah you know getting people to have the knowledge ah to be probably an advocate as well as an expert an SME and that and that thing and then platform engineering i think it kind of shows where maybe where that.
00:29:55
Speaker
the importance of that is going there. At least the CNCF sees it that way, that government engineering is the thing that is here to stay, that you would want to get certified in yeah for the value of years to come, right? Whether that's either looking for jobs or providing expertise to your team.
00:30:13
Speaker
interesting right like I don't know and I don't think the CNCF this is just personal opinion I don't think CNCF needs is like 13 different certifications like if you if you have the CKA CKA DCKS like those three I think you know Kubernetes enough to figure out anything that runs on top so 13 it might be just an overkill also feel bad for the there's the like CNCF also runs a cubester knots program right where if you have all the five original certifications you are a cubester knot which is similar to like a CNCF ambassador so you can go and talk to people about uh kubernetes 13 man those those guys got a lot of work to be do to be done like on their backlog over the holidays or maybe over the next six months so good luck to all the cubester knots Yeah. I mean, so I get it when you're on a team and you want to maybe provide expert. So say you use Kyverno or ah backstage no and you have your general CK or your application developer one.
00:31:09
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That doesn't give you necessarily the the fine grain ah ah knowledge of that project. So I understand as like a third tier. So you get like CKA, you get your application one, maybe security one, but then you're like, Oh, well, you know, my team makes huge Exactly. So then you go in and kind of dive in there, ah you know, as like a third or fourth stage um to your learning process. That's where I would see it yeah valuable, not like coming into CNCF and then going right for that thing. That's just me.
00:31:43
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Uh, I think talking about CNCF or actually, no, this is not for CNCF. So stack lock, uh, like they are another startup in the community security ecosystem. And the reason we follow them is because and Craig McCluckey founded it after, uh, doing heptio. So, uh, definitely an interesting startup and for people to track. Uh, they donated their mender security project to open SSF.
00:32:09
Speaker
So not CNCF, but open source security foundation. Again, it's a security tool. So maybe maybe that makes more sense than having it part of CNCF as ah as an incubation project. ah But their goal is ah open source. Mindr is an open source supply chain security program. And it provides like a common control plane for multiple different open source tools. So instead of you managing different tools on your own, different open source security tools on on on your on their own, Mindr provides you that single pane of glass for different interfaces or different tools. um so i' I'm happy that they donated it. But since StackLog is a startup, I think they also want to make sure that they can generate some money or revenue out of it. So they will still continue to offer a commercial hosted solution for Mindr. where you can connect your cluster and have different tools, ah part of it. But yeah, you can now, it's also part of and of a foundation or a community that can drive the project forward. So, no, definitely an interesting project to look out for.
00:33:08
Speaker
Yeah, sounds cool. I mean, and they got the all the right tooling there, right, to play with Helm and all the those kind of things. um yeah I haven't, again, like, it's so hard to keep up with all the processes and everything, but I haven't touched Minder myself yet. But yeah, I think, um I don't know, I don't know if it's it's telling when companies start donating their things to open source foundations, like when they don't,
00:33:30
Speaker
You know, it's hard to know whether it's because it wasn't productized or monetized and then they're doing something with it, or if it's a strategic plan, they've always had yeah two two very real possibilities. But I feel like we're seeing more of it this year. No, for sure. I think ah at least for this project, right I feel that Craig understands
Open Source Security and Virtualization
00:33:49
Speaker
the value of Yes, open source projects. I know he was part of like the early, early Kubernetes ah team at Google. So yeah, even in the article that they published when they donated Mindr, like they saw value, the value it created or the adoption that Kubernetes got once it was open sourced by Google. So he's like, I want to do the same thing with Mindr as that control plane for different security tools and and ah have it have the adoption be increased. And then they'll similar to how all the cloud providers build
00:34:17
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ah a managed Kubernetes solution ah for for simplifying things for customers. I think Stack Logs of a commercial solution will do that for a vendor. But no, ah I get your point. yeah Absolutely.
00:34:31
Speaker
um So the other big one, um, or I feel is big given everything that we've been seeing going on with VMware, as we were talking about earlier, uh, is, uh, Kubernet 1.4 was released, uh, I believe on November 13th. Okay. That was during KubeCon, I think.
00:34:51
Speaker
um And, you know, there was a lot of, I think, ah talk this KubeCon route sort of um what Qvert's role is going to be currently and in the the future, given sort of the love-hate thing that's been going on with Broadcom and their acquisition. um So a lot of, I think, questions that were brought up in the article I brought it up is sort of Is it really a VMware workaround? Are we there yet? um Can you do enough with it that um you know if you're a Vexpert, you have alternatives to things like vMotion and all those things?
00:35:28
Speaker
um So, uh, anyway, one dot four was released. And so there was a, um, it aligns with one three, one, I believe. e s Um, and it it, it kind of came out with a whole bunch of, uh, new API features and, uh, bug fixes and deprecations. Um, this is a really fast moving space.
00:35:50
Speaker
ah Meaning that there's a lot of changes in every release. um But if I guess if you're not new to the Kubernetes ecosystem, this might not be that surprising yeah yeah when things get deprecated or or things like that. um like ah some of the flags of volume clone PPC or volume data source are deprecated favor of volume import, which is, you know, seems like a small thing but is could be a big change so there's a whole ton of
00:36:21
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um ah release note information that I won't go through here, but I will make sure and post to our show notes. Okay, perfect. Definitely an interesting space. I think I like your approach, like no point in going through each feature. is detail We can go and follow up Cube word episode. ah But yeah.
00:36:41
Speaker
important for the community to to get this supported. I think my next thing was Akamai, one of our local like Boston-based or Cambridge-based companies, they announced a new app app platform called Akamai App Platform. This is based on the autonomy, like the IDP that they acquired from RedCubes, I think earlier this year. This was kind of a blend of ah of a past Kubernetes bytes. Yeah, so but true. So ah they they they want to with the Akamai app platform, they want to provide a ready-to-run solution that makes it easy to deploy, manage, and scale distributed apps. ah they They provide templates that ah address the common challenges with deploying, managing, and scaling Kubernetes pressure at scale. They also have a catalog of golden path templates based on industry best practices and open source tools. So I think checking all the boxes for an IDP, this is just a solution provided by Akamai, so it has more backing than what maybe RedCubes could have provided. So ah if you are in that space and if you already use Akamai for maybe your CDN use case or something like that, maybe look at ah the app platform as well for deploying your applications or deploying your Kubernetes clusters.
00:37:49
Speaker
Yeah, and and I've used Atomi before Akamai acquired it, and it was really simple, intuitive to use. So I'm guessing it's a nice integration exercise into the Akamai cloud platform. um I'm curious to see how much either it's changed or they've kind of um tailored it to fit Akamai's use case and needs. But yeah yeah, I imagine that's going to be a super useful tool and to the users. I guess time to bring, I think, Stefan back on, like a friend of the part from Akamai back on the part to to talk about what they have been up to. Like ah with the with the storage OS or on that acquisition, they they have um they have a a chief architect who was the CTO of of that startup as well. So they they are definitely investing more in the Kubernetes ecosystem. Maybe it would be good to get like an overview of everything that Maybe we get both of them on at once. Oh, yeah. Right. And good idea to talk about all the change that has been going on. But yeah, we'll see. If you're listening to this, let us know either that or we're going to reach out. Cool. So the the next one I had was Kubernetes 132, Penelope, which was um ah the release for this big Yukon to December 11th.
Kubernetes and GKE Updates
00:39:07
Speaker
lots of ah big key features. I'm finding that more and more often in my day job at least, I don't know about you, Bhavan, but it's getting harder and harder as time goes on for companies to stay at the latest and greatest. And I'm finding that Rarely are people um running, ah you know, 132 for instance, right away. In fact, yeah not for a little while. So I think this just also shows sort of the maturity of of where Kubernetes is and where and and also where it's running.
00:39:40
Speaker
in production and things like that. But anyway, lots of um ah key features and highlights. um Just a couple of them ah is ah memory backed volumes um to not did i dynamically size those.
00:39:56
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ah custom resource field selectors, um structured authorization configuration, auto-removing PVCs created by Staplesats. So this is um something I think that has been in the stateful world for quite some time.
00:40:12
Speaker
um So ah meaning that the um automation to delete when they're no longer needed. yeah um And meaning that when you do delete data, it's a really sensitive situation because you don't want to just bork someone's data and and get some data loss. So this feature I think has been around for at least in Kepp for quite some time. um So anyway, um, that's just some of the other ones and there's a whole bunch of beta ones, but, uh, we'll put the link in the show notes and you can make sure and go through that and prepare yourselves for when you reach one, three, one, 32. Yeah. At least this one has an easier name, like Penelope. Like, come on. I can say that I still can't say over netties or whatever that is, but yeah. Uh, another money release.
00:41:01
Speaker
Oh, I'm always surprised, I was just going to say, um about how things like, you know, they move pretty slowly through the pipeline, like some of the features graduating to beta volume group snapshots, for instance, right? We've been, I feel like using that as an industry for years and years. yeah um But now it's it's it's moving to beta. So go ahead, take a look.
00:41:20
Speaker
I know, yeah, definitely a lot a lot of interesting features that move to GA and then move to beta as well. um I think talking about oh Kubernetes enhancements, I want to like skip through my list and talk about GKE and Google Cloud announcing that they can now have like a 65,000 node cluster as a GKE cluster. So 65,000 worker nodes, all with maybe different inference chips or training chips or sorry, a Mr. Cloud vendors, TPUs,
00:41:47
Speaker
as part of your WorldKit nodes and having a big cluster for to enable model training, I think definitely interesting. But I like the one thing that I like about this, and ah ah you can read this in the blog as well, was all the enhancements that they made to Kubernetes for supporting this, they also contributed the relevant bits back to the community. So um contributed like major, they they led the major overall of the job API, they incubated the Kubernetes batch working group and which produced tools like Q.ACH, the de facto standard for job queuing in Kubernetes. They built like a highly optimized internal model server of Jetstream. and One interesting thing which wasn't part of the contribution back to open source, but something that caught my eye was instead of relying on HCD as a key distributed key value store, there ah internally for this large scale deployment, they're using ah Google Cloud Spanner, Google's distributed database that delivers virtually unlimited scales. I think
00:42:44
Speaker
maybe they figured out like HCD can't scale to see and and maintain state for 65,000 nodes. So maybe they need to use a different service. But hey, again, like this is, this is like a great step forward for, for the Kubernetes ecosystem. So yeah, go read through that ah blog that we'll have in the show notes for sure. Yeah. 65,000 nodes. Yeah. I wonder how, how much your, how long your free credit or $300 free credit for GK. Like two seconds.
00:43:16
Speaker
ah mans yeah sixty yeah you are If you are running that, like you have a big budget for sure. I would imagine so, ah especially with attached TPUs and things like that. Obviously, this is tailored and and sort of aimed at the large language model and model training market.
00:43:37
Speaker
um which is interesting because I feel like you know the there's there's been a lot of announcements in 2024 about huge hardware deals ah ah for companies supporting building their own ah sort of server farms to to support these types of trainings on on data and It's curious, or I guess I am curious on how many folks are using huge clusters like this in public cloud to train models versus buying hardware or what the trade-off would look like of cost of ownership over the years. I'm sure there's some evaluation out there or some analysis someone's done, but um yeah, going to be interesting over over some time and and how much, you know, how often that that hardware needs to be refreshed and at that scale can't be
00:44:28
Speaker
It can be six months, yes. And I'm sure like Google got like a long term commitment or something from the customer requesting this because even as a cloud provider where you can get compute instances used across different customers, building and enhancing communities, building a solution to support this large scale is not cheap, like 65,000 nodes in a cluster, come on. I'm sure like they have a multi-year agreement and in some pre-buys that the customer did from a google Google Cloud credits perspective. So yeah, not cheap for sure. Yeah, some other some other their additions open source wise that you mentioned are really cool too, right? yeah Like an overhaul of the job API. That's cool that they did that. Introducing job set. yeah I feel like ah the job API is probably one that not a lot of people interface with that often. um So really cool to see know all that work given back, as you said.
00:45:21
Speaker
I think like the the Q project, right like with the with a K, because it's Kubernetes, ah ah like ki project has been adding more and more features as well. like ah Down in the list, ah ah down in my list, I also had their enhancements. So for people that don't know what Q is, Q executes, like all or nothing scheduling. So ah you it can help you schedule your jobs. And once it finds all the resources that the job is requested for,
00:45:47
Speaker
only then will it go ahead and schedule that job. if it doesn't Even if it finds one less CPU that you had requested or one less GPU, it won't schedule your jobs. um But the the feature the new feature that they added was ah using something called Multi-Q.
00:46:03
Speaker
which can allow you to manage oh your jobs across multiple clusters so it becomes that multi cluster manager kind of a thing that you can submit jobs, and then Q and multi queue working together can look at the resources available across different clusters can be on prem can and can be in the cloud.
00:46:19
Speaker
and it will Once it finds the resources, it will schedule that job on that remote cluster if if that's where enough the the resources are sufficient cap capacity is found. So ah it is a beta feature. So people, if you are trying out Qt, try out multi-Q as well, that you can turn it on with, I think, version 9 or 0.9 of Q. But definitely an interesting space and in the CNCF ecosystem. Multi-Q. Multi-Q. I just think of like video games. I won't say the actual word, but...
00:46:49
Speaker
Okay, yeah, because that would mess me up.
00:46:52
Speaker
Okay. I think a couple couple more things, Ryan, for me, the re-invent was also in the last couple of weeks, right? So um they had ah interesting announcements. Since we were talking about GKE, I was like, let me use that as a segue for talking about EKS as well. ah EKS announced two things. One is EKS auto mode, which is ah kind of like GKE autopilot, where they want to streamline Kubernetes cluster management for users. So instead of you become Like if you remember, AWS always talks about the shared responsibility model, right? So if you're deploying an AKS cluster without auto mode, AWS is only responsible for the underlying infrastructure and the control plane of your AKS cluster. ah Worker nodes, applications you're deploying on top, CSI drivers that you're configuring, everything is under user management.
00:47:38
Speaker
With EKS Automode, they want to um streamline that or or move up the stack and deliver a better end user experience. so they ah When you select an Automode cluster, that they will optimally select compute instances for you. It will automatically use projects like carpenter under the covers to dynamically scale resources, continuously optimize costs for you. It it will manage the core add-ons and EBS CSI driver is one of those add-ons that get installed and give users access to stateful workloads. It also patches the worker node OSS if you're running Amazon Linux 2023, if you wanted to ah patch the OS, you don't have to worry about it. aws's AWS will do it for you as part of the auto mode service. So definitely making Kubernetes simpler ah to run. ah So that that was one of the announcements during green when second around EKS was hybrid nodes and the hybrid node is
00:48:29
Speaker
like if you are familiar with the EKS family like there is yeah EKS in the public cloud so running EKS clusters in an AWS region that is EKS on Outpost so you can if you have an Outposts based setup somewhere which is an extension of an AWS region you can run EKS clusters on top of it as well then there is EKS anywhere where you can run both the control plane and worker nodes for an EKS cluster just using your version of Kubernetes distribution on your VMware or bare metal setup. And now they added another way of running EKS called EKS hybrid node where they're like, don't worry about running control plane at your edge locations. You can host the control plane
00:49:09
Speaker
in and in the nearest AWS region, but you can have your worker nodes running at your local site. So I think they want, they pitched use cases like model training or inferencing where you want to use Kubernetes, you want to use EKS, but you don't want to worry about, maybe you don't have enough resources, so you don't want to run control plane locally, or you don't want to worry about managing the control plane nodes for EKS anywhere, and you want AWS to do that as part of this as well. So EKS hybrid node is another thing that AWS announced a couple of weeks back, I think.
00:49:38
Speaker
Very cool, very cool. The automotive stuff is really interesting. I feel like it's probably something that people were building themselves anyway, you know, yeah giving ah given some of the projects that using under the covers. But I like this overall trend of like do do less or sorry, do less and think about less. And I'm curious if it all you know, if it really saves you costs. You know, if you can turn if you can flip this switch and it saves you some money like I bet you people are going to use it, right? um If it's flip the switch and um it's going to use a whole bunch more AWS services. So yeah, we saved you compute costs, but you're paying us more than somewhere else. um I would also not be surprised with that. It's really fun stuff, at least. And ah also like to add to your point, right? If if like one of the main value problems of Kubernetes is the consistency from an orchestration perspective that it gives across clouds, across environments. If you are an AWS only shop, maybe automotive makes sense, but if you are a multi-cloud Kubernetes shop,
00:50:41
Speaker
this I don't know if this is the right service for you because it will mess up how you operate Kubernetes across different clouds. Maybe you have to do something more if you're running Kubernetes on-prem and have a different set of gi GitHub repos to install the tools and packages that you need. Whereas as you said, and AWS, they might just use AWS services, the managed Prometheus instance, for example, for observability instead of deploying Prometheus on your own because they don't want to manage it for you.
00:51:05
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. but and And mind you, I've never tried it. So yeah but just we're just ah putting our opinions in here. So it may do exactly that. Or not.
00:51:18
Speaker
um I only have one more really left on my list here, which I found this morning, actually. so this But it was an article um ah about a month after KubeCon, so 12th, about a week ago.
00:51:34
Speaker
which was an article about 300,000 Prometheus instances exposed, their credentials and API keys leaked online. um So these cybersecurity researchers put up um ah information about all these thousands of servers hosting Prometheus for monitoring and learning.
00:51:53
Speaker
um And I think it was an exposure due to a DUS attack and RCE, remote code execution attacks as well. But either way, um the exposure of these endpoints um ah are used to control heap memory usage, CPU usage and others.
00:52:13
Speaker
um So they can do some damage to your pre Prometheus infrastructure. Anyway, during two thousand um ah these are assume presumably publicly facing um on the internet um ah services, of course, that if they can be scanned that way.
00:52:31
Speaker
But these are sort of ah an estimate of 40,000 Prometheus servers um and 300,000 node exporter instances, that is. So ah go take a look at um how to um basically harden your Prometheus endpoints and make sure you weren't one of the ones that um were affected, but um that metrics endpoint, valuable stuff there.
Security Concerns and Conclusion
00:53:00
Speaker
and It does say that I think um ah for people that are maybe panicking right now, there is a fix available, I think in the Prometheus September release. So make sure you are upgrading your Prometheus or running it at the latest version. Again, we don't want you to create, to be part of like a resume resume generating event inside your organization. So go ahead and update those, ah ah upgrade those Prometheus instances. Yeah, that I should have included that. If you've been updating and you were updated since September, you should be okay. yes Go ahead and do that.
00:53:30
Speaker
yeah Okay. I think I have two, or three more. I'll just combine into one, uh, the Veeam cast and had us 7.5 released during cube con. Although for some reason, this might just be my browser session. If I try to open the blog for cast in 7.5, it doesn't open it anymore. So maybe they pulled out the release. I don't know. I don't want to say anything. There is a a solution brief at least that lists out some of the features, but I don't want to say those but if the release is not out there. But it was another thing that that was reported during the week of KubeCon. NetApp Trident is something that I work on on a day-to-day basis. Had a 2410 release. Again, you can follow me on LinkedIn. I won't talk about those release notes here. And then Red Hat, OpenShift 417 is out in GA, but ah not talking about OpenShift because we do that a lot in our regular news episodes as well. But one thing that caught my eye during KubeCon week is ah they donated the Podman desktop project.
00:54:20
Speaker
ah to CNCF as a sandbox project. So Podman provides you a daemon-less, rootless container engine that enhances security and flexibility, whereas Podman Desktop gives you ah and an intuitive ah UI for managing containers and interacting with Kubernetes. So um no, ah like that was a project that I've tried out for ah the past six months. Definitely, I don't have some some reason I like it better than Docker Desktop. ah So I'm glad that I had donated it and now it will officially be managed as like a CNCF project.
00:54:50
Speaker
Yeah, I've used Podman for Gears, actually. I haven't yet tried Podman Desktop. yeah But if Bobbin says he likes it then. Oh, come on. I'm going to install it then. Thanks, Ryan. No, I think those were all the things we had um accumulated for. Yeah, and I'm sure there's stuff we missed. So if if it is stuff we've missed, um you know, I feel like it wasn't an overwhelming amount of news yeah during the week of QCon. Maybe that's just 2024 or maybe we just hope missed a whole bunch.
00:55:26
Speaker
Usually we're pretty good at this, but um if we did miss anything where, you know, let us know or, you know, we'll we'll we're always looking at news in next episodes. But, you know, as a listener, I want to say as we wrap up twenty twenty four, this is going to be our last episode of twenty twenty four. So we just want you to say thank you from the bottom um are of our hearts. I know. So thanks for listening and supporting Kubernetes Bites. If you are one of our regular listeners, it means a lot until but go ahead. And of course, we're always going to say Tell your friends, tell your colleagues. And, you know, let's get some more listeners to 2025. And of course, join our Slack channel. Let us know what you want to see different in 2025, whether we liked some things we did in 2024 or disliked some things we did in 2024. We want to know. We're always trying to make it a new. I think, Bob, and we've been doing this now for
00:56:17
Speaker
Three years? Yeah, this will be episode number 88. So we'll cross 100 next year. Let's go. Yeah. So it's it's been a journey, the same at least. And we're having fun. So we want to make sure it's fun for you, ah the listener as well. So Bob, at any last No, I think I want to thank the listeners, right like giving us an hour of your time every couple of weeks. We appreciate that for sure. And Ryan, thank you, man. like Again, another year under the under wraps, I guess we should do a Spotify unwrapped thing of our own stats, but yeah it has been a great year.
00:56:51
Speaker
We had so many good guests on the board. We discussed a lot of topics, everything from a dagger and CI CD, how we can improve CI ah to container security and a lot of AI topics for sure. like yeah I'm sure like that will increase in 2025, but yeah hopefully we we covered enough. and and help the community, right help our listeners ah learn new things, experiment new things, maybe get just exposure to different topics and ideas from speakers like we had the GuideWire folks. like They spoke about how they modernize their applications and they're on this modernization journey. We had Ahmad from New York Times on the pod, so like a lot of customers talking about their community users as well. We definitely want to do more of those next year, so if you are one of those users,
00:57:37
Speaker
come on the part we would love to talk to you but no I guess I want to echo your sentiment dry and like thank you and say thank you to our listeners and happy holidays. Yeah at the end of the day if we didn't have any listening um we really probably wouldn't be doing this we'd probably just be like getting a drink coffee or a beer or whiskey or something. We would still be talking about Kubernetes Ryan and I but not just hitting record we you just do this and then forget about it. Anyway um I hope everyone has a happy and safe a holiday and new year and we'll see you in 2025.
00:58:06
Speaker
yeah Thanks for listening to another episode of Kubernetes Bites. I'm Ryan. I'm Robin.
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