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Danny Price: Hey everyone, welcome back to Table Talk Discussions podcast. I'm Danny and I'm here with Shane. we're going to be going over the sermon from this last Sunday. Which were still in revelations on our revelations series. So this is a One of the last, Shane, how do you say this church name? You said it earlier and I delete.
shane: Diatyria?
Danny Price: Let us.
shane: Diatyra?
Danny Price: Thyatira. So this is the little section in Revelation 2, Revelation 2, 18. through 29, which is the letter to the church in Thyatira. Um, So... Just a little preface before we get into this episode. Not sure who you guys listen with, if you're listening by yourself in the car or if you're listening with...
Danny Price: your family. We are going to be talking about some... more adult themed. um Just sexual sins, I guess. And so just wanted to kind of preface that. So as you're listening, and if you're with younger kids, you might want to just.
Danny Price: Um, you know skip that one with your kids if they're younger if they're you know, ah older than junior high and they have your guidance. We're not going to be vulgar. We're not going to be talking about anything, you know. graphic or inappropriate it's just the themes and what we're talking about is going to be a little bit more mature so just a warning um give you guys a heads up So yeah, Shane.
Danny Price: this was ah This was a big sermon. This was a hard sermon to to cover. What were your thoughts?
shane: Yeah. I think I preached the longest sermon I've ever preached. And they're.
Danny Price: For real?
shane: just Yeah. 48 minutes in third service i don't think i i don't know i might have had one or two ah that long in my life but I definitely, I feel bad for the children's workers.
Danny Price: Oh.
shane: ah
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Um, But yeah, no, it was... um you know I knew going in, um i was gonna I really felt conviction that we needed to hit on some real hard. the pu things and um I mean, honestly, I...
shane: You know, I obviously don't hear from the people that Maybe you get upset or any anything. off you know or bug by it or anything but um Man, I got a lot of really good feedback of people. I mean, shoot, each service ended with an applause at the end of the.
shane: Um,
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: sermon and then you know i probably had You know, I probably had like 20 people come up during a certain yeah in between in the lobby.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Say how much they appreciate it. I got two texts from different people saying how much they appreciated the straightforward and honest.
Danny Price: Amen.
shane: um And then. A couple of cool things is, you know, we talked about. porn addiction and i had at least five guys come up to me and confess in the in the lobby.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: and We talked and prayed and kind of hooked him up with. The Ever Accountable app, like we talked about in the sermon. and um and and i real
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: in We had a couple, a brand new couple. Come up tears in their eyes and saying Man, this is our... um First time here. And.
shane: The reason we came is on Friday, I confessed to my wife. That. um i was I was planning on starting an affair
Danny Price: um
shane: and um
Danny Price: Wow.
shane: Yeah. And so they came and they just kind of totally felt like. It was. you know aimed at them and for them to kind of really Have them both look at. their lives and what God...
shane: wants for them. And so we prayed. and got um you know got them connected to some people and yeah so
Danny Price: That's really cool.
shane: Yeah, so just...
Danny Price: That's.
shane: ah
Danny Price: Awesome.
shane: It was a good sermon overall. I will say... And then I'll drop it. i ah In third service, if you were there for third service, I'm not even going to say what I said at the end, but I did.
shane: say a phrase that is kind of a bit of a edgy and Honestly, I would have had no problem saying it to a group, a room of men. But it being a mixed.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: gender room, I afterwards did feel kind of. Bad for that. So if you got a little offended by a phrase I said in the third service and you're there just know that i did i did feel a little convicted afterwards.
shane: I shouldn't have said that. So.
Danny Price: That's fair. well
shane: but
Danny Price: I wasn't there. So I was just, I was a second. Um,
shane: Okay.
Danny Price: Yeah. I would say if you're listening. you're probably already like, what is it? What are they talking about? If you haven't listened to the sermon. so definitely this is one of those i always say it but man this one especially you're you're going to be confused by what we I mean, you won't be confused about the topics, but just why are we even talking about this? It's because this is what's in the text. so Um,
Danny Price: Just interesting.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: And that's that's also kind of the beauty of when you're teaching through. section of scripture. you know, Shane could have. He could have tried to skirt around some of this stuff, but it's kinda it kind of just presents itself.
Danny Price: Um, you know sexual morality over and over and over again in this this these letters and in the bible so it's kind of hard to avoid it so if you really wanted to dance around it i'm sure you could but That's the beauty of working through a section of scripture. You're just going to have to deal with some of these.
Danny Price: Dicier. topics and harder things to to work through. So anyways. Um, Before I... Kind of get into my questions, anything that you, I mean, you kind of already did, but anything that didn't make it into the.
Danny Price: sermon that you wanted to maybe reference or talk about? before we continue on.
shane: Um... I think I covered most. Everything. I mean, there there were details, more details I could have gotten into. Like, one of the things I thought about getting into that we didn't is...
shane: You know, when we think of porn, so often we think of just men. But quite frankly, statistics are showing that. um ah especially among younger women.
Danny Price: Mm hmm.
shane: um The statistics are growing um of porn addiction and porn habits. um And then, you know, even outside of viewing pornography.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: i mean So much of what is considered... Uh, leisure reading for women. is basically porn.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: Um,
Danny Price: Yeah, sure.
shane: You know, I mean... Some of these books that I... I've read some of the pages before and I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah, this. This is ah just. it's It's written pornography.
shane: So not all of them, but but a lot.
Danny Price: Right.
shane: And so I didn't have time to get into that and and deal with that. But, you know, that's just one of those areas I would say, check your heart. You know?
Danny Price: Yeah, right No, that's good. I appreciate that. so Um, Just to kick it off, just my first question... And maybe this will kind of help set the tone just for what's. And by the way, not all these are my questions. I'll try to differentiate, but some of these other people have sent in. So the first question, why is sexual, sexual excuse me, immorality?
Danny Price: seemingly worse. than so many other sins in the Bible. And the reason I ask that is just because you see this happen over and over where not only is it mentioned a lot, but it also seems to be like. Um,
Danny Price: harsh more harshly critiqued and there's certain things that You know, it's just like, wow, that okay, that God, Paul, whoever really cares about this, this is not just like ah like a light thing. Why is it mentioned so strongly that that it's so wrong and so sinful?
shane: Well, I mean, there there really is, I think... is A spiritual element. to sex. Um,
Danny Price: Yeah. Hmm.
shane: you know, we We connect spiritually through sex. There's a, um you know, it. it Thanks. breaks patterns of loneliness and anxiety and and so many things we battle and struggle with. and And we're affected sexually. I mean, we're affected spiritually so much.
shane: through sexual sin. um You know, and I use this. 1 Corinthians 6.
Danny Price: Mm -hmm.
shane: In the circle... you know, Paul. but it's pretty clear here that you know he says the body the body is not meant for sexual morality, but for the Lord and the Lord for the body. um You know, and then later on, he goes on, he says, do you not know that? Your bodies are members of Christ. shall i then take the members of christ and make them members of a prostitute Now, I even kind of alluded that I...
shane: Honestly, if you were to... The first century reader. That was a lewd statement he's making. um yeah He's basically saying...
Danny Price: Sure.
shane: i'm i'm betting. Christ with a prostitute, you know um
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And. ah So, you know, and it's not just a prostitute. We were made for marriage. Marriage is a covenant relationship that God established and set up. and sex is meant to be this beautiful amazing fun exciting adventurous thing that a couple shares And.
shane: When we... distorted. We're distorting something. beautiful that God created that is something we do for the rest of our life. Hopefully, you know, we're in a healthy relationship.
Danny Price: Mm -hmm.
shane: Hopefully we're doing it. for the rest of our life and so we're distorting something that is meant to be this beautiful thing that oftentimes causes ends up causing damage you know I do counseling with people that.
shane: Things that they did for... A year, two, three years. end up causing damage and distorting their sexual relationship for 45, 55 years.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: You know, and so there's so much repercussions that go with it as well. Consequences, you know, like all sin is equal and God dies in that it.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: It all. is off of his.
Danny Price: Separates.
shane: Yeah, it separates us from him. but But it's not equal in the consequence. And God knows that.
Danny Price: No, yeah.
shane: And so anyway, I mean, that's just a ah brief summary of why. But, you know.
Danny Price: No, I like that. That's that was that was that's good. Yeah, and just... If I'm talking to you know ah older adults, I feel like most older adults realize that. Like you said. um But to the young people, I think that's something that...
Danny Price: it's almost like, well, okay, it's not that big of a deal. All my friends are doing it, whatever it is, you know, X behavior, X thing.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: you know all my friends are having sex on prom night or all my friends are posting pictures of themselves, like, you know, whatever, like whatever it is. And just not really. really realizing the impact and. Unfortunately,
Danny Price: you know like you said a lot of these issues don't necessarily arise in the moment. it can It can kind of carry with you where expectations can be set, patterns can be set for later on. And.
Danny Price: Just for the young people listening, I mean, I hate to say, just take my word for it, you know, dig into scripture. you know, read up on these things but If you're younger listening and you're maybe a little skeptical and you're like, okay, they're kind of making a big deal out of something that's not that big of a deal. It's just sex or it's just this or it's just whatever.
Danny Price: um you know really dig into that. you know ask ask wise people in your life you know dig into what the bible says It really does go with you for a long time and some of these marks and some of these things it's the consequences of just sin And it's really felt deeply even later. I mean, immediately after maybe sure, but even later on, like Shane said, there's things that.
Danny Price: haunt you for a long time. um if you're not willing to deal with it and remove it from your life you know early on so
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Anyways. um And if you're feeling a little scared by that or a little bit intimidated, that's probably better than to feel a little bit too casual about it. so I won't.
shane: Yeah. And hey, real quick, on the other side, if you... It's also never too late. If you're in sexual sin.
Danny Price: Oh sure. Yes.
shane: you know I mean, God can redeem it. God can redeem you. he can You can still have. an awesome sexual relationship in your marriage. um but there it does usually require some work.
shane: and and some effort that God didn't intend you to have to go through.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Exactly.
shane: so
Danny Price: um Yeah, thanks for balancing that out and saying that. um This was just me, you know, reading through this. so If you're... following along in revelation you know you can read through this this letter Um, and he's talking about you know jezebel and sexual morality and all this stuff and what You know, Jesus is writing to this church. And then it says this this phrase, I will not impose on you any other burden.
Danny Price: Um, or I do not lay on you any other burden, depending on the version. And so my question is, what is the burden that Jesus is laying on the church here? If you just want to maybe answer that quickly.
shane: Yeah, um honestly, it's it's pretty simple. It's just a the... the The... Wait, wait, you're saying what is the burden he is laying on? Or what what does it mean?
Danny Price: Mm -hmm.
shane: Oh, okay.
Danny Price: or both Or both, or either, yeah.
shane: so Yeah. Well, so basically the the burden one, there's there's a couple ways of looking at the burden of. you know staying pure it is a burden right it is something that is difficult
Danny Price: Gotcha.
shane: for us. um And he's saying, hey, I'm not those of you that will stay pure. I'm not going to lay anything else on you. There's nothing else that I'm i'm calling you to. um And...
shane: Yeah. So, I mean, that's.
Danny Price: Okay. OK.
shane: thats Legit.
Danny Price: Okay, that makes sense. Because I was just like, he's he's laying a burden. Or he's not laying a burden, but he is laying a burden. Anyways, okay. Easy.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Um. so this is going to be maybe a can of worms this next question and just because So some of these things are going to be a little bit harder to answer. And I can actually have that in the question. So here here it is.
Danny Price: What are the biblical standards for sexual purity? What does the Bible say about, you know, porn sex? And then in quotes, I have other things that aren't exactly sex, but they're sexual. you know kissing dating whatever, how do we, you know, the bottom line is how do we live biblically with all of those things and you know, what is right, what is wrong. And then obviously there's going to be some things that are gray. So take your stab at that.
shane: Yeah. Well, i mean let's start with marriage versus single. Um,
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: And basically sex is meant to be something is reserved for. a man and a woman to share within their marriage. um Excuse me.
shane: i'm Starting to get a cold. It's fun.
Danny Price: No.
shane: Om.
Danny Price: Bummer.
shane: Anyway. um And with so if you're single. You're not meant to engage in sexual activity. Now. I think we have to. with like we talked about last week about liberty you know we have to look at And...
shane: Ask yourselves what that means for each of us. I've known Christians that it means. I don't like I've known. people that they don't hold hands until they're like engaged
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: you know um Not very many that set that strong of a standard.
Danny Price: Sure.
shane: but um But, you know, for others, it's, you know, we allow kissing, but it's just kissing. It's not even making out, you know, it's no other kinds of, you know.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: activity. um you know And I would say we're we're called to try to set that line as... as pure as we can, you know, and, and to really. seek to honor Christ with our bodies. And, you know,
shane: if If you're a young person listening to this or your mom or dad are making you listen to it. um you know, a a single person basically, you know, to think. Like. What would I, if...
shane: If I had to watch... At This Girl I'm With. is my future wife. And I had to. Watch this. what I'm going to be doing with her.
shane: being done with her Later if I had to just see this, how would I feel about it? you know? um
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: you know and not and to kind of just have that mindset i'm like i'm not going to break any lines that i would be mad that she was doing it with someone else or it would make me jealous or it would just kind of make me wish.
shane: She'd only done that with me. you know set those kind of standards but if if if you're even like well that just doesn't bother me well
Danny Price: and
shane: Then the next question is. What is holiness? You know, God calls us to holiness. So, you know, um if you're the kind of person who's like, well, that wouldn't bother me, then I would still say, well, you got to look at what's the standard of holiness that God calls you to. so um So I would say for outside of marriage.
shane: and We should stay as far away from the line as we as we possibly can. if it
Danny Price: Yeah. Gotcha.
shane: Within the marriage bed, or relationship. um we We were kind of, you know, we were all talking about this. around about the table our family's weird um and if we talk about this stuff among parents and kids um
Danny Price: Yeah, trying to figure out what's yeah what's what's what's what.
shane: The adult kids, the adult kids. And we were kind of talking about like, well, what what are the lines? Are there any lines, you know, between two consenting adults? And you know there again, lots of liberty. um I've... for one would.
shane: Challenge someone who. you know, is treats another person demeaning in the sexual. experience or in a demeaning way puts them down because honestly like if someone's consenting to that it's probably because they have some really messed up history that you should be trying to help them heal from not
Danny Price: Yeah totally.
shane: taking advantage of. Um,
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: you know, um violence, you know, but, you know. There again, I know this is way more than a lot of people maybe want to hear. But... You know... Violence to some might not be violence to others.
shane: You know, there are ah some obvious lines, right? But. but
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Different people.
Danny Price: But hurtfulness for the sake of trying to be hurtful to the person and hurt them.
shane: yeah like to actually hurt them you know and and you know then you probably need some counseling and need some things you need to need to do but some people you know like more
Danny Price: Um, Yeah.
shane: physical, I'll just say more physical activity. in their sexual experience than others.
Danny Price: Sure.
shane: and And I'm kind of... one of those like hey i think it I really do think that's something you need to. both be talking about. and and seeing where we land and then obviously bringing anyone else into the marriage bed.
shane: I would say we would all 100 % say that is wrong.
Danny Price: Sure. adultery yep
shane: and and then even and now it ah say that through pornography as well.
Danny Price: Yeah. 100%.
shane: so But outside of that, I'd say we have a lot of liberty.
Danny Price: Um,
Danny Price: Yeah, okay. um One thing I'll say to... for the at least for the people listening that are maybe single and like listening to this and just...
Danny Price: There's this whole idea of purity culture. that It really gets a little... really bad rap nowadays. And this is more of a thing when I was younger. Um, and you would see like, you know, youth pastors and they'd do the whole, all the analogies like.
Danny Price: have someone like squirt a whole tube of toothpaste out on a piece like paper plate and be like Try to put that back in. That's like your, you know. And I think there gets to be a lot of shame. associated with mistakes that you made or even or even talking about this kind of stuff and I think. Just want to say a couple things. First of all,
Danny Price: Number one, our goal here when we're talking about this stuff is not to shame you if you've engaged in this stuff or you are and you're... trying to trying to get out and you know that it's a sin. The Bible is going to call. you know there is very you know it calls a spade a spade so there might There is this element of kind of holy, not shame, but holy conviction. So if you're feeling that, I'm not trying to dissuade you from that. I am trying to say what we're trying to talk about here, or the goal of this is just to show.
Danny Price: This is what the Bible says. Not necessarily try to mix too much of our own opinions and own. you know. thoughts in with this or we're not trying to shame you if you're you know Engaging with this and you're feeling a little bit of a natural shape. Maybe that's a little bit of conviction. So I know a lot of people are like already like listening to this or like, Oh, they're talking about, you know,
Danny Price: these things in such a shameful way you know and It's really popular to... kind of bang on purity culture right now and so i understand that there's been some of that in the movement and it's it has been hurtful to people but i do want to you know, just say like.
Danny Price: there is a little bit of conviction that that can be good when it comes to this stuff. Cause again, you're holding yourself up to the Bible and hopefully, you know, you're trying to become more Christlike with this.
shane: Mm -hmm.
Danny Price: And then the second thing I wanted to say was. If you, you know, dare to try to read Song of Solomon. Um,
shane: yeah
Danny Price: not as maybe Maybe not as a single person, but just you know you see this really cool picture of... you know, how much Solomon loves his wife. And obviously, you know, he loved his wife too much because he had so many of them. um
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: But. you get this You get this really sweet picture, you know, about what sex is and what about this relationship is and, you know, the whole idea that Jesus talks about of two becoming one flesh. It's such a sweet. and special thing.
Danny Price: Um, And you can just you can just so easily see... How. It can be distorted. And when you start looking at the way that. the Bible. show sex versus the way that Our culture is showing sex. You see it total just.
Danny Price: opposite picture. So when, you know, a lot of times, you know, when you're looking at this question of like, should I do this? Should I do that? Is this appropriate? Is this not appropriate? Um, you know Kind of what Shane is saying, there's a lot of this that that's freedom, but then if you're holding it up to the other standard of just...
Danny Price: What does the Bible show that sex should be like? And not even like in explicit terms, but just the way that you know a husband loves his wife. I mean, you really got to, you know, especially husbands, like think about that. Think about, you know, am I loving my wife like Christ loves the church in the same way of not like in a sexual way, but just having that like.
Danny Price: Love and respect and kindness. and you know amazing heart towards her. Am I doing that or am I not? And I, once you start holding that up as a. kind of the litmus test it changes a lot of your perspective because you're no longer looking at it from a okay is this allowed can i do this can i can i do this can i do this whatever it is
shane: Yeah. this thing
Danny Price: You're looking at it more of like, man, is this honoring and loving my wife? Is this a sweet relationship? Or is this just like. you know, not that whatever it is, and you you fill in the blank of behavior or whatever. So.
shane: Yep. So, hey, real quick, I just want to summarize what you said the first thing. that you know We're not trying to shame anyone you might be feeling a little conviction But.
shane: And that that is a good thing.
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: But conviction should move you to do something. Don't live in the shame. And then. um yeah i mean you know we have freedom but we should definitely be lifting our wife up is it would you Is that a yes or no?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: to Okay. Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: And then, and vice versa. It's not just for husbands and wives.
shane: Yeah, not just our wife, our husband as well.
Danny Price: I just. Yeah.
shane: and um you know And I will just say, you know men especially. you know i don't know maybe it works the same way for the women But when you treat your wife that way,
shane: I have found that more often than not, wives respond a lot better. better the way you're wanting them to respond to.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: let's go Anyway.
Danny Price: No, that's that's that's very accurate.
shane: Alright.
Danny Price: Um. So just to keep keep it moving If there is someone listening. and but maybe even potentially attend to the church, and they're in sexual sin.
Danny Price: How do you get out of that and how do you flee that? Um, How do you flee that temptation? Is there forgiveness? And how does that work?
shane: um Well, I would say you do exactly what that word says, flee. you know We we get see that example of Joseph in Genesis um when Potiphar's wife grabs him and says he fle he fled.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um you know, um I don't know any other way than to flee it, than literally to run in the opposite direction. You know, if you're.
shane: In the apartment together, and you know... you're you' tempted, man, jump up off the couch and run out the door.
Danny Price: get out of there
shane: You know, I mean, there is no like, well, okay, well, let's just stop and watch the movie of some more. andre yeah i mean I mean, maybe there's better men than I am and you know on people than I am, and that works.
shane: I don't know. but Um. But from my experience and the people I've counseled. That's... the way It. It goes, you know, and I mean, I had one couple one time and I'm going to I'm going to get a little.
shane: Um... Polgar here. Not vulgar, but but...
Danny Price: Oh, geez.
shane: Not vulgar, but I'm going to be a little bit more ah specific. i you know I had a young couple in their 20s, and this Christian guy was trying to convince me that... it was going to be okay for him and his um fiance to move in together.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: And. You know. And I just literally have someone like. do you Do you have a penis? because Because I...
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: You know, and he because he was like, well, why is that not wise? And that so that was my question.
Danny Price: Ah.
shane: And, you know, he laughed. But then he was kind of like, well, I i just think we'll be able to be. And I was like, dude, why?
Danny Price: Oh, man.
shane: Why put yourself in a situation?
Danny Price: Why? Yeah, even if you could, why? why
shane: Yeah. So.
Danny Price: tempt yourself like that yeah
shane: So anyway, you know, and... Yeah, we're all different, but I would say fleeing is a really great way to do it. And accountability, like, man, if you're going out with your girlfriend.
shane: um Text two or three Christian buddies and say, hey, we're going out.
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: Can you text me at? nine o 'clock and You know, do do things to be accountable. If you're serious, be accountable.
Danny Price: Yes.
shane: I have found that especially sexual sin, if you don't.
Danny Price: Yes.
shane: If you're not accountable... Um, you're You're probably gonna fall. so um do that but then is there forgiveness there's always forgiveness every every sin there is no sin that is unforgivable in christ's eyes and we're we're always redeemable um But there's a difference between seeking redemption and...
shane: been forgiveness through repentance and then saying, well, I'm just going to live how I want and hope and God's going to forgive me afterwards.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: um That, man, I don't know. You're messing you're messing with, you got to. D. You're the one who's going to have to stand before God. and and say where your heart was? I can't answer that, but...
shane: Um... But that is not the pattern of the Bible. You know, I mean, Paul says, what, should we go in sinning that grace may increase? By all means, no, you know.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: and So, no, we don't. You don't do that. and But are you ruined? No, um you know, I mean, I think we've all made mistakes in our life, right?
Danny Price: No, yes
shane: um And. you know, I've known people that... have you know, gone. you know, had had pretty...
shane: sexual, sexual past that they're very i'm embarrassed by. And yet I tell them all the time, like, Hey, you know what?
Danny Price: Yeah. Yeah.
shane: Turn it around. God loves you. He'll redeem you. Um, You know, another one, especially women I know who, um unfortunately, a lot of sexual sin can oftentimes lead to pregnancy. And I know women who, as a result. of pregnancies have had abortions even.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: and And, you know, and and carry great shame for for that. And, you know, and I've counseled. Definitely. many different, well, not many, but a few different women that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: you know that You're not. You're not unforgivable. Everybody is forgivable.
Danny Price: yeah praise god
shane: And. God has grace on you. so Yeah. um
Danny Price: That was great
shane: I don't know what you're joking about.
Danny Price: Yeah. I'll throw in there, and again... what I'm about to say. There's some things that are like, I can draw a clear biblical line. This is just um my personal opinion so again you can discount it but i'm hoping this would be Good good advice.
Danny Price: If you're in a relationship. Where. you're maybe you're one you know you're the you're the girl of the boy you're listening to this and you're like okay i would be more pure in my relationship. you know i would We wouldn't engage in whatever this is.
Danny Price: but... I just, I don't know how my boyfriend would respond or I don't know how my girlfriend would respond. Maybe they would break up with me or maybe they would. want to leave me because I'm turning and turning this behavior off like you know know what we're gonna stop having sex or we're gonna stop doing whatever this is um I would. say, you know, for for the most part.
Danny Price: maybe not all, but in my experience, like, you know, when I've talked to people about this younger boys and you know, younger younger men and women that are in relationships. A lot of the times... you know, it in Christian relationships, I should preface with that.
Danny Price: The other person is oftentimes kind of waiting for someone to kind of lead the way with this. And unfortunately, guys, we... we're not We're not good with this a lot of time. We're waiting for the girl to lead with this and kind of set her boundaries and her lines, and we don't lead her well at this.
Danny Price: um Oftentimes, you by you just suggesting something like, hey, you know what? I've been really convicted recently about XYZ behavior. The other person will oftentimes respond in the same way. You know what? That's a great idea. And if they don't...
Danny Price: I... I hesitate to say this, but that might not be a relationship that you wanna pursue. If. The only value that they see in you is. because of what they can get from your body or from whatever.
Danny Price: Ow. I'm not saying anything is not. you know, Um, conquerable like maybe this is something that you could you could work through but That's one of those things where you really have to kind of have like a...
Danny Price: come to Jesus moment with them and go, okay. you know if if you're gonna con The only way this continues is if we continue to have sex, then I don't know if I can be part of this relationship, especially if you're feeling conviction about that.
shane: God help me.
Danny Price: Um, That's a really difficult conversation, and I'm not telling you how you should have that. or you know I don't know exactly the right way to go about that. but For those of you who are in relationships, hopefully the person, you know especially if you're with a Christian, hopefully that person also understands the value of this. And maybe they've been battling this in themselves too. And maybe they would.
Danny Price: Really? ah Appreciate you bringing this to the table, especially guys. bring this Bring this to your girlfriends if you guys are struggling. Be a leader in that situation. And girlfriends, you know, by all means, bring it up to your boyfriend as well.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: This goes both ways. I don't know.
shane: and think
Danny Price: That's kind of like a side. That's not a biblical thing, but that's just something I figured I'd throw in there.
shane: Yeah. And guys, I will say, you know, Danny and Luke. mention it but Um... That... Oftentimes, yeah, you're waiting for her to bring it up. and Unfortunately, there's a lot of pressure on young ladies.
shane: That. because we live in a sexualized culture and So they're worried that if they're not. engaging with you. that you will move on to a different.
shane: girl So.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: well make So, you know, man up and, you know, basically bring be the first one to bring it up and you might find. you know how relieved she is to know that that's something that you do want to work on.
shane: together. So.
Danny Price: Yeah. Just like for a little bit of a moment of just... vulnerability my wife and i you know hannah you know we didn't we didn't have sex before marriage We did.
shane: la la la la la la la la la la la hit
Danny Price: Well, yeah. no they good But. there was moments that were there there wasn't like the relationship was a hundred percent pure and it took, you know, the best literally the best moments of our dating relationship for me.
shane: It's worth it.
Danny Price: were me. going to her and her going to be to get like and we had individual moments of where we both were coming to each other like you know what i'm getting super convicted about this you know I feel like we should. Not be alone together in the car or whatever it is. And there was a lot of different boundaries that we had to set up Um,
Danny Price: And it just, it was really healthy to do that. and it it's uncomfortable to be the one to bring that up at first but if you don't then... You're essentially just consenting to go along with something that you might know fully as sin and fully be convicted as sin, but you just aren't stopping. which you know, to me is you know, it's incredibly, like Shane said, you're playing a dangerous game when you know something to sit and you're convicted about it and you're continuing to do it. um And repeating it, like, and it's not something that, like, you... have you know a struggle with it.
Danny Price: Like this is something you're choosing to do consistently. That's something that you really have to take a look at yourself. So.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Anyways.
shane: And.
Danny Price: anyways
shane: Yes, for those that didn't know why I did that. um Danny is married to my daughter, Hannah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: In case there's anyone who doesn't know that. um But, you know, also going back to that relationship, Danny, you know. Um... We... We put pretty strict rules on you guys at first, too.
Danny Price: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
shane: you know
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And so parents, that's. There again, I feel like that's you got to remember that it's your job to set some of those if we're talking about young, young, young people. so Anyway.
Danny Price: Yeah. Um,
shane: Wow.
Danny Price: Really quick just back to the question Just to sum this up, even though we've been talking about this for a while. you know. These things that we're talking about, there's some things that are clearly wrong. Porn is wrong. you know Sex outside of marriage is wrong. um you know having sexual relationships that are dishonoring to god are wrong you know this is between a man and woman that are married The other things, the kissing, the dating, the hand -holding.
Danny Price: um you know, That a lot of it is going to come down to individual choices I do know people that go. You know, and they'll set crazy boundaries where it's like you're not even allowed to look at. someone of the opposite sex because that might stir up thoughts in you or whatever. in I mean, if you want to go that route, I guess, sure. I think you got to be really wise as to what you're calling.
Danny Price: impure and what you're calling just like looking at someone and noticing that they're attractive So. I'll i'll let that just speak for itself. but um it isn't a bad idea to set up guardrails around yourself you know and you can kind of have you're gonna have to figure out where you set those honestly it's it's hard to make a one -stop rule for every single person all all that stuff on the kissing on the dating on the hand holding on all that other stuff that's a little bit less Um,
Danny Price: obvious I guess. So.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Um... Let's see here. Should the church... have more of a role of calling believers out for sin they are living in. Specifically, and I guess with this, you know specifically with sexual sin, but and sin in general.
shane: Yeah, I mean sin in general ah Yeah, we should. And man, this is a tough, tough thing in our culture because we're in a culture that. When people don't like stuff, they just leave you know um
Danny Price: Yeah. have
shane: So. And unfortunately, One thing about... It used to be like... even with denominationalism, There might have been 14 churches and in a valley, but...
shane: You're Baptist, and you're going to the Baptist church. you know You're not going to switch and go to the Methodist church.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: so it It kind of, it kept. accountability will be a bit little bit easier where now Shoot. I think. two -thirds of people in most churches couldn't even tell you like what their
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: denomination is or you know anything like that so now it's just a matter of are people really truly willing to submit to the authority and leaders of their church and um if we're just being really frank we live in a culture where no most people are not and most people even What I would call.
shane: people who call themselves strong, committed believers. Um... Do not submit. to the authorities of their church.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: um That said... You know, I think what we do need to have is at least standards for certain things of that we would consider.
shane: Um, in any way, shape, or form. ah leaders. you know, um and then also in discipleship. in discipleship relationships you know i mean when someone is saying hey i'm i'm wanting to grow in a relationship with christ yeah i think there should be people calling them out And.
shane: you know, calling out sin and and we're talking about. consequences and repercussions. and um You know, I. I've not hidden, you know, I talked about it on Sunday.
shane: I had a porn addiction when I was young and really almost about your age where I was.
Danny Price: Mm hmm.
shane: I still struggled in it. And finally, a Christian friend. was like... Amen. I'm done hearing you talk about this. you I'm talking to Tonya about it.
shane: and He was like, I'm giving you a week.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I'm giving you a week. to talk to Tonya about it or I'm going to.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: And I was like, well, you didn't even warn me. but well He's like, well, if I warned you, you would have stopped telling me. You know, and
Danny Price: Yeah fair.
shane: And I was I was a little bugged, you know, but at the same time, I mean. at the same it only brought us closer as because we were both seeking to walk in the Lord. And, you know, and then I ended up. He ended up helping me break that bondage because once I brought it to light in my marriage.
shane: um Tanya and I were able to deal with it. and Um, you know and then from there
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: We. You know, i we went through the steps. I went through a lot of steps. and um you know figure figured it out so You know. um i Yeah. Do we have a responsibility? Yes. Should we be more probably trying to at MBF specifically? We're still we're kind of trying to figure that out. and We were talking a little bit on Sunday about this, that our 201 class. We're kind of at that place where we're saying, hey, you know, we're gonna we have to have a covenant for that.
shane: And then when you graduate from that 201 class, you sign the covenant. And now you're agreeing that. yeah, I'm going to come under the authority of the church. And, you know, so we assume that not every single person that goes to our church
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: is at that place as a believer. But when someone is at that level where they're like, yeah, I want to be really plugged into this body, then...
Danny Price: This is my church. Yeah
shane: Yeah. Ciao. um That's where we're at.
Danny Price: No, but... You're right, though. It's... Being submitted to authority is just a very unpopular thing you now. um in every way because you you have so much mobility with where you can move you can just decide to you know quote unquote to church online or whatever it is like you can
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: you can really get around you know. accountability, and authority if you want to. So. same Same thing, and you kind of already mentioned it, but... or alluded to it at least. This is my next question. Really, really same thread. How should you go about discussing obvious sin to a friend that is living in sin? So maybe you're not in a church authority. You're not in some kind of shepherd or elder role, but you have a friend that's engaging with some of this behavior. What's the relationship? How do you go about that?
shane: Well, honestly, that's the best relationship
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: for it. I really do think. I mean, when it comes to the Shepard. um Once it gets to that point of elders, shepherds, Pastors. unless they happen to have a pretty good relationship with us, you know what I mean?
shane: I would say there's probably 20 % of our congregation that we have the kind of relationship with as shepherds. Dead. they They would listen. You know, they're going to really take heed at ah at a.
shane: a personal level, maybe another 20 % that they would still listen and submit. but it would be more of like super embarrassing and you know, um
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: they would feel... shameful the fact that we're even being brought in to talk. I mean, it blows my mind how many times if I just text someone. Hey, can we get together?
shane: and and they come meet me.
Danny Price: Instant anxiety.
shane: Yeah, they by the time like they're like, oh, I've been stressing out for two days. I'm like, I was just good. before I was just checking in on you. I just wanted to ask you about this. that You know, anyway.
shane: so
Danny Price: That's funny.
shane: You know, but in a relationship. that's where people know that you care about them. you know and Um... I mean, hopefully they know we care about them as church leaders. but You know, not in the same way that that friends do so i think we bring it up we bring you know and it usually is hard it you know it's not going to be an easy conversation um But we just say, hey.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I think all of our relationships should be at a place where we... we You know, we. eventually should get to a place where we say, hey do i have permission to speak into your life. And. You know, and sometimes that's non...
shane: you know, not like it. in an informal way
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Well, we just start doing it in small things and we increase, increase, increase. Um... But sometimes it's a question. Just flat out. pain is
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: is that okay, can I do that? I've had many conversations around a campfire or whatever where I'll just ask someone that kind that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: That thing, hey. Can I speak into your life for a minute?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And, you know. See it.
Danny Price: And I think to an unassuming way, and i'll I've done this, I haven't had a moment where I've had to do this specific. you know when it comes to sexual sin or something with a friend um Thank God most people are, you know, have've either come to me to confess a porn addiction. You know, I have multiple guys in my life where.
Danny Price: um you know we that's like we're accountability partners or have been accountability partners and we talk about it you know at camp this is a common thing with the younger guys that i get to mentor a little bit. But. One thing I've noticed that is really helpful is asking questions.
Danny Price: And a lot of times they're already there. So, hey, man. I've noticed that... you know. you You know, whatever it is. with with, let's say they're you know sleeping with their girlfriend. I've noticed that you guys have been really getting close and you you're living together.
Danny Price: um you know what do you think about that and just you know probing a little bit as opposed to you know, you know bristling feathers and coming right out and saying. Do you know that you're in sin right now? Let's talk about that.
Danny Price: um that might you know some for some people that might be a better way just because you know They...
shane: And yeah.
Danny Price: They appreciate when you shoot them straight, but sometimes asking questions and kind of getting to the root of the problem. Um, It goes a long way because you're hearing their side. and they might be totally wrong and totally sin, but you're at least hearing what their perspective is. And maybe they're like, they got, they have all these reasons. They think they have, I don't know, financially, I thought it'd make, it'd make more sense. And then maybe this. and I don't know she you know.
Danny Price: We love each other a lot. We're really committed. So I think our commitment is going to last us. and We're probably going to get married soon. And then you can ask, you know hey, do you really think you're going to get married soon? Do you think it's going to take some time? you know and you can start to kind of break some things down.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: as opposed to just kind of coming in. you know. guns guns a -blazing some people prefer that but i think for most people it it's easier to start responding to questions, kind of knowing where they're we're going.
shane: Yeah, and I'm actually going to push back. that No, it's never okay it's you're never going to get anywhere going guns a -blazing. i I think that you can be straightforward and ask the –
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And like I said, ask for permission. And then say that. very clear thing that that does work for some people but even and it has to be they have to hear that it's out of love it's out of you know and then yeah and then obviously the other is to you know ask ask questions and hear their answers.
Danny Price: Still in love, yeah.
shane: And I will push a little bit on that and that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I know a lot of people who will ask those questions.
Danny Price: But it doesn't go anywhere.
shane: and they've And they've opened up the great opportunity.
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: And then they don't do it. And the problem with that is now. What are you going to bring it up six weeks later?
Danny Price: Yep. Yep.
shane: You know, and now you're bringing up six weeks later and the friend goes. Well, wait a second. You've been having this problem.
Danny Price: Why didn't you...
shane: why You know, like, hey, I don't even know if I trust you now.
Danny Price: 100%.
shane: You know, so, man, once you start asking those questions.
Danny Price: 100%.
shane: Be ready to shoot. you know Be ready at some point to pull the trigger. And and say the hard things don't.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Don't wuss out on it. You know, you're doing yourself a disservice and your friend a disservice.
Danny Price: No, yeah
Danny Price: And hopefully I didn't get, i hopefully I didn't leave it like that. But yeah, no, if you're going to start asking questions.
shane: Well, you didn't. You didn't. I just wanted to make sure I pushed on it a little bit.
Danny Price: No, that's that's really good.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah, and it it will be a little uncomfortable. I found, and I know this just from personal experience, the people that have pushed me the hardest are the people that I respect the most. and that I want to be close with.
Danny Price: A lot of times, you know. People who are just... They might be, a and quote ah you know quote -unquote, a good friend. and they're fun to hang out with but they're never someone that you're gonna be you know tight with and accountable with because they're they might be a you know good hang Fun to hang out with.
shane: What?
Danny Price: but theyre They're never going to ask you these questions. They're never going to really, Hey, really, how are you?
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Hey, really? What about this? You know? The people that... I found that are like that I've slowly drifted drifted away from in my life that are just good hangs because As you get older, you kind of want to cling on to something that's a little bit more real. And so the people that I end up hanging out with the most are the people that are the ones that challenge me.
Danny Price: that I've had more on. comfortable conversations. We push each other. It's not just a. a hangout relationship there is room for that in some situations but i think for the most part i'm looking for and i think most people are looking for someone that's really going to push them
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Um, to be stronger and to.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: not just kind of stay where they're at so
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Um, Next question. we We got a couple more. Um, Sorry, guys, a little bit of longer episode. There's obviously some things we're working through here. it's not This is not easy stuff we can just rattle off. you spend You spend some time at the end.
Danny Price: of the sermon talking about how girls dress and just dads, especially just being aware of that. Um, So first of all, I wanted to say I like i liked that. that that but That was good. On the other side, on the flip side... And I don't know if I was only in second. So maybe you already addressed this in others. sermons or in other ah
shane: Yeah, I actually didn't. So go ahead.
Danny Price: What's the prerogative for the boys on that side? And i what I didn't want people to get from that part is... Girls should watch out how they dress because guys are looking.
Danny Price: End. That's how it's just gonna have to be. It's a bummer. And. you know and not telling and not telling guys, like what are you what are your thoughts or what are your what are your where where should your gaze be be located when it comes to women, regardless of how they're dressed? I just want to make sure we hit both sides of that.
shane: Yeah, well, obviously. Um, Yeah, and I did afterwards kind of think, dang, I kind of should have said something. Um, But. You know We should be treating our...
shane: our young men, boys, and men in general, to respect women.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: to look at them as daughters of the king, um especially their Christian sisters.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um But either way, to... to if anything Feels, feels. almost a... compassion on ah on girls that... that feel a need to look for attention that way.
Danny Price: Hmm. Yeah.
shane: Um, and you know and be training ourselves to look away. you know um and i do think it's a training of yourself to look away i mean you know uh unfortunately as a young man i did not learn that and i had to really work at training myself in that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: and um Uh, you know, so yes, boys, definitely. We, we have men have the. Um, absolute responsibility to look away to respect to treat with honor dignity um
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: However, what I want all girls to understand. Is it? Yeah. Christian men should be doing that. The rest of men won't. Do it. Every once in a while, you'll find some men that just get the need to respect women but But they're getting more and more the way our culture is.
shane: ah Boys are not being raised that way.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: man you know um they're The conversations aren't being had about respecting girls like that. and So. Even if your Christian counterparts...
shane: are learning to do it. to respect you you got to remember that that that's not most of the world most of the world out there is gonna is going to think disrespectful thoughts and they're going to not.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um And they're going to see you in ah in a light that you don't want to present yourself in. um and And you know, quite frankly, even a lot of the Christian young men. You know, they're... they're Cheers. They're sinners and they have that responsibility. They absolutely should.
shane: do it. But, you know, you hear a lot of girls do that, like, well, it's not on me how people react.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: And yeah, and I get, I'm not going to put on girls like, oh, you're causing your Christian birth. brothers to stumble. I'm not going to put that on girls. um Are they? Yes. but But I'm not asking them to carry that.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: I'm asking, how do you want people to look at you? What kind of thoughts do you want people to have about you? because Yes, the Christian men should... should be turning away, but the rest aren't. and um you know So is that what you want?
shane: Is that what you're wanting to think?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Because I promise you. They are. you know and And that's why I tried to speak to the...
Danny Price: Okay.
shane: debt. Because I think every dad in the room knows that. Because I think every dad, you know, all the dads were 13 to 16, even if they've learned. to think the other way.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: They remember being a 13 -year -old boy. a 14, 16 year old boy. And they remember image. They remember. images of certain girls in their classes that are still as 30, 40, 50 year old men. Burned into their... mind.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: And. You know. I don't want anyone.
Danny Price: When you say images, you don't mean like... actual like like the image that they had of them
shane: No, I'm not talking about pornography or anything.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I'm just talking about...
Danny Price: yeah yeah
shane: thinking about specific girls.
Danny Price: the image of that person.
shane: and Because the way they dressed, you had.
Danny Price: Yeah. Yep.
shane: Thoughts that you dwelt on. And you allowed those.
Danny Price: Yep. Yep.
shane: images to be burned into your mind.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And I don't want any girl, I don't want any guy carrying those kinds of thoughts about my daughter. for 30 years.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: So.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: You know. um
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: Yeah, so it's definitely, guys, we've got the responsibility. I'm just trying to speak especially to the dads to just man up and have the hard conversations. and You know, tell your wife, hey, I'm sorry. you gotta This is one I'm going to put my foot down on. And you don't get to.
shane: You don't get to say what's up. I'm seeing what's up.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: So. and wives i'm sorry some of you might but
Danny Price: Here's a question.
shane: I like that.
Danny Price: ha
shane: and I feel like... um Yeah. come Come give me your thoughts on why I'm wrong. i'd love I actually would love to hear a different perspective on that one.
Danny Price: So. Here's just a follow -up question with that. You're a dad. And this this is like a totally just detach yourself from like, you know. your parenting that you've done for the for all the kids just pretend you're put you're in you're in a house with a 16 year old boy and a 16 year old girl. They're twins.
Danny Price: what is the conversation regarding this stuff that you're having to your daughter? And how are you, how are you saying this stuff to her? And then how are you saying stuff to your son? Um, What? kind of tone, what kind of language are you using with your daughter to help her understand your perspective on this and why it's so important?
Danny Price: to carry yourself. And then what are you saying to your son? you know, on the opposite spectrum of how to look at girl, even at, you know, and also how to dress and how to, you know, present himself, but then how to, how to not to look and how to.
shane: Yeah. Yes.
Danny Price: you know, treat women women well.
shane: but So with my son in the dress. I mean... you know I'm gonna be... at least like hey talk about modesty and, and, and, but let me, let's face it, unless you, unless you were gifted with just a exceptionally handsome son.
shane: ah yeah and well -built son. That's not the stuff that most girls are getting that excited about. Um,
Danny Price: Yeah, right.
shane: So. Um. You know, I'm going to focus much more on how he treats girls, the respect he shows them. Like David had a rule. Hey, if you're going to ask a girl out, you need to go talk to her dad.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: You know. And like you need to ask her dad's permission to take her on a date. you know And that's not that long ago that that was the common practice. um but now all of a sudden it's like oh that's stupid you know i don't i don't understand why my the you know I...
shane: There are a lot of guys I like. But I wouldn't hire them to do. in my mind, the most important job in the world. and
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: Taking care of my daughter is the most important job in the world.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And even if it's for four hours on a date. And. I don't get why we consider that old fashioned. to protect them like that. So, um so anyway, treating, ah that's the conversation I'm having with my son, like how much he looks to girls to respect them, to honor them.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Um,
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: ah Training himself to to look away, training himself to what kind of woman to stay away from, to look for, you know. Proverbs 31 woman and not the... a woman described in the early parts of the universe.
Danny Price: Proverbs 7, yeah.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Huh.
shane: um You know, that's my conversation. And with my daughter. It's very much a lot of like. I know you don't understand these things. some and and And kind of in some ways isn't fair.
shane: and
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um You know, but it's not about being fair. It's about. how much I cherish you and how. how amazing I think you are and how I want guys to see you for the amazing girl that you are and not see you for something else. and um you know um why I believe God created you and, and, you know, and then setting some.
shane: kind of standards and saying look these are some of our rules you know and and it's because we love you And, man, it's not going to be one conversation.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: It's going to be 400.
Danny Price: True. Sure.
shane: If they're like a lot of girls, they're going to wear one thing out the door, but have another shirt in the backpack. or i mean i've had I was a youth pastor. i i had these I had girls doing this stuff all the time. you know Walk out the door in one outfit, but they've got a whole other outfit.
shane: in the backpack so dad doesn't see it you know i mean all sorts of things like that that you're gonna you're gonna have to deal with and work and work through and walk through and and they're it's tough parenting i don't know if anyone else has heard this but parenting is hard um And it's not meant to be.
shane: You are not meant to take the easy way.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: yeah You know, we're meant to have really hard conversations sometimes and um do it in a loving way. And it's not for the weak of heart. So anyway.
Danny Price: Yeah. that's tough Yeah, that's tough. it it's not getting easier. with the culture around us either with some of these things.
shane: No, it's not. It is not.
Danny Price: on both sides. on the way that guys treat girls and the way that girls dress. on
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: everything I mean, it just is not. It's not getting easier. It's getting tough. Um, Next question. um that i had or actually this is someone else oh by the way that's that last one or no that the last one was mine then There's been some other ones that I've forgotten to notate that are different people's questions. So my bad.
Danny Price: These are not all mine. And these last two are not. What are some of your own things? And I think this person asking us was asking you and me, Shane, this, what are some of your own things you feel conviction or have felt conviction in the past that you tolerate?
shane: Okay.
Danny Price: and know you need to or have or have changed.
shane: Um... I mean, I've had all sorts of things in my life that I didn't have conviction over, and then as I grew in my walk with Christ, I gained conviction. um
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And. You know, so I would say at different points in my life, I've tolerated all sorts of things that now I would go, oh, no, I can't tolerate that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um you know, And then um and and am I answering the question? what what is I'm trying to read your question. whats
Danny Price: that's Yeah, that one's not mine. um
shane: past.
Danny Price: I think it's just the stuff that's happened in the past.
shane: that you tolerate.
Danny Price: Or that's that's happening now that we're... youre we have conviction on.
shane: Yeah, I mean... I guess I would just say that, yeah, I've had things in my life that. I... I tolerated because I really wasn't that very convicted on them. And then I didn't, you know, and then I've had things where, okay, I'll give you one now, right now. I went through a series of. I had 10 years where I didn't listen to anything but Christian music.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: And we didn't have TV.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: We had no TV in the house and I didn't listen to any anything but Christian music. And. um i and that i really believe i needed that i kind of needed to purge That. life That's. those influences of that. um But now i I do tolerate it.
shane: you know but i don't talk i I have wisdom to know what I... should and shouldn't tell it.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Sometimes do I push those boundaries? I mean, you and I have had conversations about some of the shows that were like. We'll allow ourselves to watch for a while. And then we're like, ah now, now. kind of i'm I'm stopping that.
shane: yeah you know so
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Um, I think it's ah it's a constant. So.
Danny Price: Yeah, that's where I was going to go for me is like. shows and music um And for me, it's it's not. I'm trying to think of right now in this moment, because I can talk about a lot of what's what's been in the past. For right now...
Danny Price: The the the responsibility that I'm feeling more of is the stuff When you have kids, this just changes your perspective completely. And now that Sam's at an age, you know, and Jenny's almost at an age where. They're starting to, you know.
Danny Price: I mean, they're already impressionable, but now even more so, like the littlest amounts of media and certain things, you're just like, wow, that really.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: affects them at such a different level than I mean, their friends could say something, but they see it on on a show. I don't know if it's the repetitiveness of it or what, but man, you're just like, what in the world?
Danny Price: So I'm just getting so much more guarded about what our kids take in as far as.
shane: You're also enamored. which shows they're enamored so they want to be like they want to pretend they're them and all that.
Danny Price: Oh my, oh, I. know I know.
Danny Price: yeah it's crazy and so you know we we let them watch certain shows that are you know exhibiting they're not all christian shows but some of them are and some of them are exhibiting you really awesome you know
shane: So.
Danny Price: you know things like for example they like they love paw patrol they love the idea of a first responder and conquering fear and courage and bravery and all these great things and it so it's really cool to see that but then you see like they'll watch a show or something that doesn't have that. Or there's characters that are talking rudely to each other or certain things. You're like, Holy cow. Like they just pick up on that so fast. So for me, a lot of the conviction is.
Danny Price: And what am I going to let inside my house for my kids? And previously, I think, you know, i'm and I'm still working through a lot of this, a lot of the lot of TV shows, a lot of movies. Um, have been challenged for me just trying to figure out what am i gonna watch like for me uh when I was in college age.
Danny Price: my My friends and I would watch like Game of Thrones. For those of you who don't know, um as far as like a storytelling just an insanely good show um really really interesting a lot of intrigue a lot of stories a lot of interesting characters and character arcs but There's tons of nudity in sex and there's tons of just like.
Danny Price: violence and certain things where I'm just like, I don't know how much I can.
shane: Yes.
Danny Price: stand it. So so i I don't even think I finished. Fully. watching it but i kind of had to tell myself you know i'm like i can't watch it i can't watch it again and i won't watch it again And. I might necessarily...
Danny Price: calling you a complete sinner or anything if you do or have but it's just for me listening or not listening, but watching that, I'm just like... I... Can't help but be, you know, tempted if I watch. the certain things that are on the screen and yeah, sure. You can try to get that whole.
Danny Price: you know software that takes out All the.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: nudity and violence in in like a show and you can still watch it and you could watch maybe 25 of that show like seriously like it's just so full of it and so
shane: yeah
Danny Price: I'm just like, my gosh, I can't, I can't do it. So for me, it was that. And then also just music, just a lot of like rap music and stuff I would listen to at the gym with with a lot of swearing and just really degrading towards women.
shane: Amen.
Danny Price: And I'm like, I. The longer like you try to listen to that and you're like, it's a cool beat and that's all I'm listening to because it's at the gym. And then you start like getting around it and going. I can't listen to this. like If really thinking about these lyrics, I can't listen to this. This is just not something I can listen to.
Danny Price: I'm not saying all sector music is like that, but there's certain rap music and certain...
shane: Yeah. What?
Danny Price: more like Jim style music.
shane: Yeah, and everyone knows I love 80s bands, and there are certain songs from 80s bands I'm like, nah, I can't listen to that.
Danny Price: It's like, Yeah.
shane: you know
Danny Price: It's so hard because you're just like you you want to say it doesn't bug you or it's it's fine.
shane: way too sexual or way too whatever.
Danny Price: It's like ah if I'm being honest with myself, I'm like, I can't, I can't do that.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: So this is not a me being holier than thou. If you're listening, if you listen to rap music, I'm not saying all rap music. I'm not saying. you specifically, that's something you're gonna have to. Searcher. search your soul on and look at look look at god's word but yeah those things for me specifically i've i felt a lot of conviction on um I don't know. I'm trying to think of anything else. that's those are Those are my two big things. So.
shane: Well, hey Do you care if we close with... this question that David literally just sent.
Danny Price: Yeah, let's do it. That's perfect. that was because That was my last question I was going to talk about.
shane: Okay.
Danny Price: so
shane: Okay, so David literally just texted this. um Nothing like waiting until the last minute. Anyway, um for many, I'm sure this sermon had several convictions, and may be and they may be overwhelmed.
shane: Where should a man looking to lead his home confess his sins and also step up? Begin and also step up begin. I'm not going to read the little
Danny Price: Yeah, sure
shane: Last party.
Danny Price: He's funny.
shane: And... So where should he begin? i think Honestly, I think we kind of answered that a little bit in like our responsibility to talk. to our friends i we man i think the best place other than getting in God's word.
shane: um And I'll go back to our talk. last week where we talked about how um Once you're in, whether it be three or four times a week, it it starts to really start to change your life.
shane: you know
Danny Price: Mhm.
shane: um So getting God's word regularly, not just. you know haphazardly and then you know, have some Christian brothers that you can talk to. um You know, because even like I know. Like...
shane: Tanya and I talk about everything. She knows my struggles. She knows Where I, you know. ah Have temptations all those things But man, there's times sometimes I don't want to just call her and go, oh man, I struggled today with... There was, you know, there was this one woman. but Yeah, I don't want to talk to my wife about that. You know, so.
shane: Um... I... But having a couple men that I can go, man, pray for me or or like even just like. Hey, you know, I'm just finding like... I can tell I'm like lingering on um social media too long.
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: Cause I'm looking to see, so, you know, that's harder to to now maybe have that kind of relation with your wife you know um but
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: Sometimes I'm like, oh, I don't, ah you know. I don't want to hurt her. And I get that. And that's the excuse we use for never talking to him about anything at all.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: But. When I'm talking about just that regular daily confession. Sometimes it's it's great. it's Great to have a couple brothers that you can do that with.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: that would be my That would be my two.
Danny Price: Totally.
shane: things as far as where they should start.
Danny Price: Yeah. um I think. There's that whole at that whole adage about... How do you eat an elephant? And the answer is you know one bite at a time.
shane: Yeah. and not move forward.
Danny Price: Like if the ah the elephant of this, the elephant of sexual immorality or sexual perversion or purity or whatever, you know, however you want to. You know. um How do you want to like explain this?
Danny Price: It's... It's really just one thing at a time, so If you're a guy and you're like, I am. watching porn. maybe not regularly, but or or maybe not even watching porn.
Danny Price: Maybe I'm just scrolling on Instagram, like you said, lingering on these images for too long. And I find myself watching shows that have a little bit too much.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: of that section nudity. And I'm not fast forwarding in it. I'm just like lingering on it. And maybe I have these thoughts like late at night when I'm in bed by myself. And i just I just linger on these things that I saw during the day or whatever.
Danny Price: So start with start with one thing. Start with, hey, you know what, on Instagram, I'm going to delete Instagram or I'm going to put these filters on my phone so I can't look at that stuff. If you haven't looked into Ever Accountable, I'm... you know, I I've had it for.
Danny Price: So I've had covenant eyes for forever. But... recently about a year and six months ago i switched to ever accountable and i've loved it just because There's ways that you can have a filter set up.
shane: uh -huh
Danny Price: So it'll literally remove stuff off your screen. Like it'll just push the back button on your browser or whatever. So you can't.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Even if you wanted to, you couldn't linger. And you can set the filter to be as aggressive or not as aggressive as you want. Regardless, like I'm going to do that. I'm going to pick one thing. I'm gonna start there.
Danny Price: And then. Very similarly to like, and this again is just, this is. I think this is a biblical you know principle, but... This is a secular book, but the whole make your bed. um book i don't know if you guys have ever read that but it's this admiral in the military He wrote this book based off of a commencement speech he gave called Make Your Bet. And he just argues like you start one good thing and it cascades into the next thing because you have motivation. So same thing with eating this elephant. Start with one thing and get a win.
Danny Price: Finish. completely finish and do something. And that will cascade into the next thing that you want to completely finish and do, as opposed to you just looking at these 16. different things in your life that you need to fix. And you're like, I got to fix this and this and this is too much. I'm going to go take a nap because it's just too much to handle.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Pick one thing. Handle that. Get the win. finish it well and then that will cascade into the next thing and it might not happen immediately but at least you started with something and you're eating the elephant one bite at a time as opposed to just getting so like
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: I don't know what to do because there's I'm so sinful and so wretched. and Okay, sure, yeah, great perspective, but you know don't just let yourself dwell there. So.
shane: yep
Danny Price: Anyways. So. for For what that's worth, I don't know if that helps if you're listening and you're... You felt overwhelmed. Because it it was overwhelming. It was a lot. There's a... there's a lot, there's a lot there and it's very tight. All this stuff is very touchy and hard to.
Danny Price: it's hard to navigate. It's hard to swallow. I'm sure if for some of you guys listening to this podcast, you're like, Oh my gosh, so much talk about sex and all this stuff. It's too much for you. It's okay. It's, it's a lot. I'm i'm sorry. um But we, you know, again, we're're the The text went there, so we're kind of going there. so
Danny Price: Anyways, that's all that I had. Good question, David. Is there anything else you want to add to that before? We close i like on that question.
shane: now No, no, no. That's really good. So.
Danny Price: Cool. Um, we'll appreciate you guys listening. And again, you know, For parents.
shane: Now, as a whole I do i will end with asking this.
Danny Price: Sorry about this.
shane: As a kid raised in homeschool, was that the most longest you've ever talked about sex?
Danny Price: I guess. My parents are pretty good.
shane: but never
Danny Price: My parents are pretty good at this stuff. But then over the years, you know, especially with having so many young guys, like. working for big Canyon.
shane: No, I know.
Danny Price: Like I.
shane: It's just messed up.
Danny Price: every single check -in i do this is a question like dude how are you doing with porn how are you doing with like lust like it's just you can't not ask it to a young guy i obviously you don't ask us young girls because that's totally inappropriate but like the guys that i have that i'm kind of mentoring
shane: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Danny Price: That's just like, it's just like a second. It's like, I literally get through that. through our first check into the summer, you know, Hey, how are you doing with that? What's going on? Oh, really? Okay. So you've never struggled. Interesting. Let's dive into that more. and we just you know So I've gotten a lot more comfortable at...
shane: Yeah. Okay.
Danny Price: Like you said, I don't think it was you in the sermon, just like... you get stuff in the light and it loses so much power. But if you don't take that step, it's just.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: what's What's in the darkness really just binds you. It's crazy.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: So.
shane: Yep. Alright.
Danny Price: Anyways. That was really good. um Appreciate you guys. you know Feel free to send in questions for next week. um what What is a... What's the letter? What's the topic next week that we're going over with? Because we're now into Revelation 3.
shane: I think it's... Philadelphia. um Oh, no. Philadelphia is the next week. This is Sardis. a link
Danny Price: yeah that's right yeah i'm looking at it right now i just looked it up Sardis.
shane: Yes, it is. Oh, yeah, he. Jesus done yet nothing good to say to start us there
Danny Price: Oh, that's
shane: it's It's all just you guys said. Just kidding.
Danny Price: No, that's the stuff.
shane: kidding No.
Danny Price: I feel like there's a lot of that. There's a lot of there's ah there's a couple good things and mostly bad. like the Kings in ah the Old Testament. so
shane: Yep. Yep.
Danny Price: Anyways, well, appreciate you guys. Thanks for listening. Thanks for making it through. You made it. If you made this at the end of the episode, a good job. It's a lot to listen to, but. Appreciate you guys just ah supporting us and getting to listen to, you know, Shane and I's thoughts on things, especially since.
Danny Price: you know, he's putting a lot of work into these sermons and especially for like this sermon, there's just a lot to dive through. So I'm sure it's. Nice for him to be able just to just. kind of unpack some of that, more of his thoughts.
shane: yeah It is.
Danny Price: So.
shane: Yeah. All right.
Danny Price: Anyways, all right we will see you guys next week.
shane: Alright. Bye bye.
Danny Price: All right. Bye -bye.
