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Speaker: Hello, everybody.
Speaker: Welcome to UAP Book Club at Quantum Witch Cafe.
Speaker: Today, I have my lovely book club people here with me.
Speaker: But before I get to them, I want to say thank you to anybody listening live later, to audio only, as well as on YouTube.
Speaker: Quantum Witch Cafe is sort of just your place to talk about all these
Speaker: anything you want really that's weird, strange, fringe, UAP, UFOs, all that stuff.
Speaker: But we kind of focus on books here, especially on book club duties.
Speaker: So today we're going to be talking about, see if I have it so people can see, Earth Light, Revelation, UFOs and Mystery, Light Form Phenomena, The Earth's Secret Energy Force by Paul Devereaux.
Speaker: And we also read about cappuccinos.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, that's what we're reading today.
Speaker: And we are joined today.
Speaker: Most of the other book club members were naughty and they didn't read it.
Speaker: So we've got my three good students here.
Speaker: I got Vinny, Graham, Dan.
Speaker: How's everybody doing today?
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: Yeah, fine, Vince.
Speaker: I'm great.
Speaker: Thank you so much.
Speaker: I'm doing good.
Speaker: I just I feel out of practice because I feel like it's been so long since I've seen everybody.
Speaker: but it's all right.
Speaker: So right away, guys, so what is the book about?
Speaker: So if somebody's, you know, I'm putting a lot more of this on audio now.
Speaker: So can you, who wants to go ahead and describe the book, what it covers and kind of give like a summary of it or everybody can do it if you guys want.
Speaker: I'll have a quick go, I suppose.
Speaker: The book really, hence the title Earthlight's Revelations is focused on earth lights.
Speaker: So we're talking about
Speaker: Strange light phenomena that have been witnessed globally and for centuries that fall under multiple categories of things that are just understudied and sometimes definitely unknown.
Speaker: These can be things like ball lightning, things within folklore like Willow the Wisp and earthquake lights, all very...
Speaker: like I said, understudied, very unknown and very mysterious and regularly and have always regularly been mistaken for the UFOs.
Speaker: And so there's a real good connection there between all of these things.
Speaker: Yeah, these are things that have been sort of talked about.
Speaker: I suppose you call them 14 events.
Speaker: And there were certainly the types of things that Charles Fort would have picked up in his books back in the early part of the 20th century.
Speaker: uh and as vinnie says it covers quite a few things so yeah you've got ball lightning you've got these will the wisp type events and the earthquake lights there's a explanations for all of these in the book and then there's a series of um sort of just chapters which look at various sightings over the years and over the decades and even over the centuries uh it goes back a fair way as well right into history so they've got accounts from the i think from the 1700s onwards and possibly even earlier
Speaker: A lot of it's focused in Britain, but there actually are chapters devoted to other places around the world.
Speaker: I have to hold my hands up here and say I've only got halfway through the book.
Speaker: It's actually quite involved.
Speaker: It's not something you can just read overnight.
Speaker: It's much more kind of detailed than that.
Speaker: And I'll pass it to Dan for the rest of it.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, so I'm not just repeating what you guys said.
Speaker: I think it's worth emphasizing that when we say Earth lights or ball lightning, we use these things interchangeably.
Speaker: And the first thing I noticed in the book was actually there are a lot of different phenomena that contribute to this term, whether it's just like flashing on mountain tops, flashing in the sky, actual balls of light that emerge from the ground or the sea.
Speaker: And sometimes they seem to exhibit intelligence and they move through metals and
Speaker: They there's one case in that was amazing that is in the book where they talk about one entering the cockpit of a of a commercial aircraft and just kind of sitting in it, which is I mean, it must be wild to experience and 100 percent that was reported as a UFO.
Speaker: But the other side of it is where it talks about, you know, he said Will of the Wisps.
Speaker: talks about our cultural lens on these things and how we interpret these events as UFO events when actually they seem to be a natural earth phenomena that was probably here a lot longer, a lot, long, that was here way before we were, that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker: I need coffee.
Speaker: And has been here forever.
Speaker: And the fact is that science doesn't understand the mechanisms which makes these things.
Speaker: It has some ideas, but
Speaker: We haven't been able to pin down exactly what they are or where they're from or how to make them.
Speaker: And there's so much potential in terms of energy systems from these things that it's just, it's mind blowing to me that scientists aren't running to this subject.
Speaker: And this book is 100% the place that people should start reading about this phenomenon.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: Everything you guys said is spot on about the book.
Speaker: I do love that it covers, you know, around the world.
Speaker: It's not just focused in one area.
Speaker: I love that it has lots of maps and pictures in it because as somebody that might be more visual, like, you know, somebody can describe something beautifully and use a lot of great words, right?
Speaker: But the way our brain puts it together can kind of form these like individualistic like pictures.
Speaker: So you might be thinking something in
Speaker: one head and one part um you know one head might be thinking one thing and the the event actually looked like this so i appreciate the pictures from everywhere especially the maps um i tried to do a reading of this um in twitter spaces i only got to chapter four before i got like a respiratory infection so that was fun um but um i'm i need to help pronouncing welsh because some of these are well
Speaker: You and everybody else apart from time.
Speaker: Generally, the rule is that if there's something that you don't understand in Welsh, just kind of make a sound.
Speaker: And it's probably about that.
Speaker: But yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to butcher this Welsh name.
Speaker: So don't listen to my recordings.
Speaker: But unless you're from Welsh land, I guess you don't get it.
Speaker: I do.
Speaker: One of the most...
Speaker: interesting things to me about light phenomena around the world is that it ties into the culture of you know the people that are around these things and this is even in you know i'm in america so i think of like culture i don't see us it's very cultured but when i see things like north mountain and all brown mountain and all these lights around the us i mean there is a lot of folklore around it you know um so
Speaker: But I just love how he goes back like what Graham said all the way back to like 1700s, 1800s, these different things that people were trying to interpret them as.
Speaker: I think that he does a great job of keeping like everything like straightforward.
Speaker: And as you said, it's very in depth.
Speaker: But what always blows my mind is like, how do these things sometimes appear sentient?
Speaker: And sometimes it's straightforward science.
Speaker: Like sometimes you're like, yeah, there's, you know, groundwater.
Speaker: There's all these minerals in the ground creating this.
Speaker: There's plates there shifting.
Speaker: And
Speaker: That all makes sense.
Speaker: But then how does it transform from that just science to people having these full on experiences with consciousness?
Speaker: And sometimes it's just like a normal Earth light.
Speaker: What is the most confusing or interesting thing about these Earth lights that you read in this book or in anywhere else?
Speaker: That's a really good question.
Speaker: I think what I liked about the book as well, before I directly answer that, is that he started off by going through the ball lightning, well-o'-the-wisp, earthquake lights, moved then into connections with ancient history and tales of this, then moved into UFOs and went right at the end, moved into consciousness.
Speaker: So it builds really well.
Speaker: So there were many things through the book that I really picked up on.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I found the geological and tectonic aspects really interesting.
Speaker: Um, because some of the science that was discussed about the crystal bearing rocks, I've got it here estimated that 10,000 to a hundred thousand volts per square meter could be produced by these crystals and things rubbing together in the earth.
Speaker: Uh, and it, with the work that we've done in Columbia, that connection, it just blows my mind.
Speaker: And, you know, things like that really stood out to me.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: But then it goes into things about witnesses.
Speaker: In fact, can I just read this one passage?
Speaker: Because it blew my mind.
Speaker: It says the electric column could affect the brain function of a witness standing within it while observing a light form.
Speaker: This would allow the possibility of explaining exotic UFO encounters where humanoids, abductions and short periods of amnesia
Speaker: allegedly reported further energy fields surrounding life phenomena, radiation-like effects of witnesses, as well as on the immediately local physical environment.
Speaker: So they're talking about proper health effects that are related with close encounters with aerial phenomena or abductions.
Speaker: And yet he's referring to that this could be potentially because of the power of a prosaic Earth light.
Speaker: And it's like mind-blowing.
Speaker: That's just the two things.
Speaker: let's i mean off the top of my head i can't think of one of the one of the six observables we've got biological effects instantaneous acceleration um yeah there you go you guys have more uh equipment available to you so i'm gonna let you google them but my what i'm getting at is that so many of those observables are present
Speaker: that it's stuttering.
Speaker: And I'm not saying that all UFOs are this, but also I think people need to realize that this phenomenon is so much more interesting than we realize.
Speaker: It's not just, oh, it's just swamp gas.
Speaker: It's something that affects people on a really fundamental level, whether we're talking about electromagnetic connections between witnesses and the events themselves.
Speaker: But the most interesting thing for me so far
Speaker: was Rippersund Farm.
Speaker: So Rippersund Farm is a place in Wales that kind of experienced kind of poltergeist activity.
Speaker: It's essentially a skinwalker ranch from Wales, that's what it's seen as, and so much has been written about it, but it kind of stops at the, you know, sharing the stories and the experiences.
Speaker: This book kind of puts it in a new frame by looking at the context, looking at the geological area, looking at what could have happened there.
Speaker: And that really stood out to me.
Speaker: And when I get back home to Wales, I kind of want to go and explore the place a little bit.
Speaker: One of the startling events there was
Speaker: There's a place called Stack Rocks and it's always been thought that there was an ET base underground at Stack Rocks because people would see these balls of light going into the cliff base, basically.
Speaker: When you look at this phenomena and you look at the geology of the area, you look at the kinds of things that can happen with electromagnetism in the brain.
Speaker: It all seems to paint a pretty compelling picture that actually Wales kind of has this beautiful little hotspot of this phenomenon that we're discussing today.
Speaker: And it could be like a study site for it.
Speaker: And like Vinny already painted the picture of, the amount of power in this phenomena, we're aching for more energy sources, for clean energy sources.
Speaker: And quite frankly, this stuff seems to be a bit of a Hail Mary.
Speaker: I think I'd draw a little bit of kind of a line here and just say, look, you know, just be quite cautious about taking everything in this book as kind of gospel and also something that explains everything to do with the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker: It clearly doesn't.
Speaker: It has a pretty good stab at actually trying to solve some parts of it.
Speaker: of the equation and it's probably a little bit part it's a little part of the puzzle and it no doubt as with everything else in this weird and wonderful kind of issue that we're looking at and over this over the centuries and over the decades that certain things probably do explain certain parts of it but i think to try and say that you know earth lights are responsible for you know a vast amount of stuff i've seen the comments already that somebody says the true fighters were you know balls of light and
Speaker: I'm guessing that the kind of comparison is being drawn that they're going to be, you know, earth lights.
Speaker: Now, my response to that would be, well, it's all very well, but why haven't these things been reported in the same areas where you've got allegedly something that's causing it?
Speaker: Why hasn't it been reported en masse since then?
Speaker: You know, so it's a case of,
Speaker: Yes, okay, it might explain certain things at certain times, but why can't it be reproduced through the decades and through the centuries?
Speaker: Why isn't it only happening in a couple of places, but the rest of the places, it's only sporadic.
Speaker: Why isn't it happening more regularly?
Speaker: Why aren't people picking up on it?
Speaker: Now that doesn't take away from what Vinnie and Dan and their colleagues were doing out in Colombia because clearly that's somewhere where it's happening quite regularly.
Speaker: And also we've got the House of the Lights, so in Norway and there are other places around the world which are mentioned in the book, which I've yet to get to, but I know they mentioned the book because I've got a quick skim through the right half of it.
Speaker: So there are places, but other places you can't necessarily say, look, that's to do with earth lights.
Speaker: So whilst it's quite compelling, the book, and it's quite well written and it's quite well argued, it's not necessarily the case that everything that the author is trying to put across
Speaker: is completely valid.
Speaker: And I think I would just take like a lot of things that you read that people are pushing a certain narrative and trying to push their argument, just take it with a little pinch of salt and say, yeah, that's all very well.
Speaker: But actually until it's proven, you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, then it's a theory and I'm afraid that's all it is.
Speaker: But that doesn't get away from the fact that this is really, really interesting.
Speaker: And it's something that I probably should have read a long time ago.
Speaker: And I'm sure I've seen things like this as the subject of articles in 14 times over the years, but it's the first time it's ever been put in book form.
Speaker: I know there's an earlier version of this book, and this is like a kind of, you know, another title.
Speaker: by the same author which has a lot more information so you know grab the first book maybe and read that as well but this is it's really worth reading um even just for food for for thought so yeah for that for that alone it's definitely worth putting on your shelf
Speaker: I'm really glad you're here today Graham, just for that reason.
Speaker: Like you have so much experience looking at the food fight and you're completely right.
Speaker: Like this stuff, if it was just geological, then it would be repeated.
Speaker: But we know like that Kestalan stuff, it's kind of in an inactive time at the moment.
Speaker: so the the amount of influences on this phenomena and the actual mechanism behind it is unknown and one of the ideas that i really love and if anyone's seen you know um you'll kind of click with this there's some interesting music kind of going on
Speaker: It's a dude just driving around with his boot open and a cooler and it's full of love.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We have those in Arizona, like where I grew up, the Hispanic area, you know, we were, my family's Mexican.
Speaker: So everybody would run out, the paleta man, we'd run out and he'd be on his little,
Speaker: But that was some loud music.
Speaker: Sorry, go right ahead.
Speaker: Sorry, yeah, it distracted me too.
Speaker: So yeah, the possibility that I love kind of throwing out with this is the idea that some of what we're looking at is a really rare kind of extremophile.
Speaker: And there aren't really many of them left, but they could possibly be popping up in places.
Speaker: And that would explain the kind of the inconsistent results.
Speaker: And as humanity is kind of spread out over the globe,
Speaker: these things, you know, like kind of, I don't want to kind of use this language in a way to paint them like it, but just like wildlife, it hides from the kind of advancement of civilization, of human civilization.
Speaker: So, you know, when you look up at the clouds, they could be in the middle, who knows?
Speaker: One thing I would do want to highlight from the Hezbollah studies is that in this book, it talks about the
Speaker: the things that you can see.
Speaker: Whereas from Hessdalen, we know that these things can move from the visible light range to infrared and to other areas of the electromagnetic spectrum that we can't see.
Speaker: So they could realistically be all around us.
Speaker: And the kinds of reports we're seeing from pilots on the East Coast saying, yeah, we could see something on radar, but we couldn't see it with our eyes.
Speaker: I mean, more scientific studies would need to be done to establish that.
Speaker: I'm just putting the idea out there, but it's really intriguing that this mystery is just, it's there for the taking and no one's going for it.
Speaker: That's true.
Speaker: And a lot of people even capture, will be taking a picture of the sky and they'll find something in it they didn't see with the naked eye and people that are doing, you know, human initiated contact or heist, you know,
Speaker: they'll be doing something and they'll have a camera running while they're doing it and they won't see anything with their eyes and then they go back over the footage and there's something there that the camera caught that they didn't so I have a kind of a question about that what sort of now where would that fit on the five observables something that can be seen with technology but not by our own eyes so the five observables are sudden and instantaneous did you did you think did you which one low observability low observability okay yep you're right
Speaker: So yeah, because it's just, we don't see a lot.
Speaker: And if these things are just light, we're not equipped as humans to just spot that.
Speaker: And it's definitely interesting bringing up that point because you don't really know what's happening around you if you think of it that way.
Speaker: And we've kind of thought that way before, I think just being like UFO land, but yeah, that's,
Speaker: that's crazy to think about that you could just be looking up in the sky and these things, this phenomenon is happening all around us, but that's how it is, right?
Speaker: We've got wifi around us, all sorts of electromagnetic stuff happening.
Speaker: There's been times where I've been outside with my EMF reader and it starts going off and I can't find the source of it.
Speaker: And it's like, what is happening in that area that's changed since yesterday?
Speaker: And you can detect it with the equipment, but you can't see what's happening.
Speaker: What are your guys' thoughts on,
Speaker: So I like the way the book kind of started very like almost scientific, and then it slowly takes you out there.
Speaker: So for my science guys here, how did you feel about that buildup and his kind of thoughts behind the consciousness and the lights?
Speaker: I thought it was really good because it showed at the end, and I'm not going to quote it because I can't think how he said it, but he says at the end when he starts discussing the consciousness aspect that he goes, you know, it may sound crazy and all the skeptics out there will be, you know, ready to pull this apart, but I'm not afraid to drop in every potential possibility that
Speaker: until it's off the table and again I'm not quoting it but it's basically saying I'm willing to put everything down there however improbable you know improbable some of them may sound it's got to be mentioned you know otherwise you know he's ignoring a portion of the data because it doesn't fit with a certain belief system or a certain narrative and you know as anybody knows any good researcher or investigator has to look at the data all of the data and work with all of the data so
Speaker: Yeah, I think it was a really good move, a really brave move, and it really paid off to add credibility to the book overall.
Speaker: I'm not ready to write off anything that's been said in this book yet, without further investigation, without further time, because it's one of those things that there's quite a lot of imponderables in there.
Speaker: There's a lot of stuff that
Speaker: quite frankly, I can't get my head around.
Speaker: And there's some other stuff which, yes, OK, it makes complete sense.
Speaker: And then the rest of it's somewhere in between.
Speaker: But that's a ufology for you.
Speaker: So it's a crazy subject.
Speaker: And this is just, again, this is just like another kind of
Speaker: brick in the wall that makes up ufology and it will account for a lot of things that people have seen these kind of transient light you know phenomenon whether they are earthquake lights and whether they are will of the wisps or whatever you want to call them even more lightning
Speaker: It does make up part of the puzzle and I'm sure that people, things that people have seen and actually some of the things that are reported in here, you've seen in other UFO books reported a straightforward UFO as in craft, whereas he makes a good argument as to what, you know, to be something else.
Speaker: He mentions about, you know, things that we've seen in whales on the hills.
Speaker: Dan mentions about Ripison Farm and places in the so-called Welsh Triangle.
Speaker: And yes, he mentions those in connection with these.
Speaker: He mentions Kenneth Arnold's 1947 sighting in connection with these.
Speaker: He has quite a substantial part of one chapter where he goes through the elements of the case.
Speaker: And then he, well, he's sort of suggesting because Northwest America and Northwest parts of the United States is quite an active subject.
Speaker: a seismological area of activity.
Speaker: But this could be a case of some kind of light phenomenon, which is streaking across the heavens, which caught Arnold's eye, because that's part of the case where it was to do with these things maybe moving about and the reflection of them.
Speaker: that caused him to see them.
Speaker: And Paul Devereux actually argues that actually it was to do with strange lights appearing in the sky rather than structured craft.
Speaker: He might have a point, but then again, he might not as well.
Speaker: He might be just trying to sort of like kind of
Speaker: build a narrative for the rest of his book by using that because it's again it's one of these grey areas and unfortunately this is to me this is where the book falls down but that's the same right across other books as well it's not particular to his book nor his narrative
Speaker: And it's where there's just enough wiggle room that you could say on one given day, if you have a particular bent in terms of this is how you feel the cases should be resolved by explaining them as this.
Speaker: Then you could say, yeah, this explains it.
Speaker: You could have somebody else who takes the same data, comes up with a completely different conclusion, and still a valid one as well.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Again, this book is not a panacea for everything to do with ufology.
Speaker: This doesn't explain everything.
Speaker: But it might explain a very, very small percentage of them, including the ones that these two guys see out in South America.
Speaker: Yeah, just to switch it back the other way, sorry, Dan, is that he may be trying to, and debunk's probably not the right word, but try and explain all the UFO things in a way that it's natural or something here.
Speaker: He does, like I said, he's not afraid to offer up other potential explanations.
Speaker: And at one point he does say it is just about conceivable that an advanced species somewhere else may have such profound science that they could manipulate humans
Speaker: things here on earth by you know using focused power from wherever they are and suddenly appearing over here through these light phenomena almost saying like they could be portals without saying they could be portals so he's really is he's talking about these things he's not afraid to so i will give him credit on that that he does go both ways he's just overwhelmingly on one side more than the other but it's worth mentioning
Speaker: So I loved, you said the ponderables in passing, Graham, and I love that.
Speaker: Dib's on the band name, and I think we should have like the five ponderables as well.
Speaker: Ultimately, both of you guys are absolutely correct, right?
Speaker: Like the way that you kind of have to do these investigations is to look at the science, you gather the data, and you see if any correlations can be drawn.
Speaker: And even though in this book correlations are suggested,
Speaker: Graham's correct, like they don't fit everything because we don't understand this.
Speaker: And it speaks to the idea that, you know, we call things the supernatural when really they're just natural, you know, and it's our lens on it that kind of makes us see it that way.
Speaker: And once science explains it, we will just see it as natural, kind of like, you know, Lou Elizondo always uses the example of like the giant squid on the edge of the map.
Speaker: At one point there was,
Speaker: you know, monsters be here and now it's just, oh, cool sea life be here and pay and do a tour on a glass bottom boat and you can go see it, you know, it's really blasé.
Speaker: The example I always like to bring up is the James Ardell's book and how it's on Uranus.
Speaker: And we're so used to seeing
Speaker: I bet there are some Snickers in the audience.
Speaker: We should change the name to the Urakadun, right?
Speaker: How that planet has been there forever and we don't see any rings around it with our eyes.
Speaker: Yet, as soon as the James Webb telescope looked at it in near infrared, we saw rings around it.
Speaker: And that was a revelation for people.
Speaker: There are rings around Uranus.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: They've always been there.
Speaker: It's just that we look at your brain, Priscilla.
Speaker: It was like in class.
Speaker: I looked at Vinny and Graham and they were like, stop.
Speaker: That reminds me of a spitting image sketch from the 1980s where they were talking about Uranus.
Speaker: And then also the fifth moon of Uranus, which was Boomholy.
Speaker: So bad.
Speaker: Sorry, that was like a bad kiss.
Speaker: No, it's like one of those universal things, right?
Speaker: It doesn't matter where you are in the world, you say that planet name and everyone just kind of goes, tee tee tee.
Speaker: But yeah, that's been there forever.
Speaker: We only just built the eyes to see it.
Speaker: And now we're kind of understanding it.
Speaker: To some people who don't have access to that information, it's still this incredible thing.
Speaker: There's this whole section in the book where they talk about how life phenomena is through the ages and it adds some adjectives to each case and kind of says, it seems supernatural or it's seen as a meteor falling out of the sky and things like that.
Speaker: And one of the ones I loved was where it talks about seeing these flaming dragons come out of the ground and come out of the sky and then disappear.
Speaker: And even though they have that cultural lens on it, they still used it in a kind of seasonal sense for agriculture because they could see that, okay, if it's acting this way, if the light is doing this, it means that probably, you know, we should consider that a storm is coming or rain is coming and we can do X, Y, Z. So in certain areas, it certainly was treated like a natural phenomena, just like the changing of the seasons where it could be relied upon as a kind of...
Speaker: And well, an omen slash sign that something something in the environment was changing.
Speaker: So even though they call it a dragon, they still kind of had the reason behind it enough to be able to use it in their everyday lives.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: We see that like all around the world too with these with all sorts of, you know,
Speaker: anomalous phenomena from like God, the gods to dragon, right.
Speaker: They relate to some sort of like seasonal change or weather change.
Speaker: And it just, I mean, but then sometimes they interact with people.
Speaker: So it's, you really have to keep thinking of everything.
Speaker: Is there anything in the book that you really want to research into more now after reading the book, you know, because I feel like books like this, they just kind of like, they just like,
Speaker: you know, you get a little taste or something you're like, well, now I have to go research that for the next three months because it's it's you know it's interesting and there's more to it and even though he's very thorough.
Speaker: Each one of these chapters, because he could easily be a book, if you think about it, so is there anything like that in the book that's made you like inspired I guess.
Speaker: I mean, for me, it's literally just the continuation of the research that we did in Colombia last year with you yourself, Priscilla, joining the team in, what, three weeks, just over three weeks.
Speaker: It really is just a continuation of that.
Speaker: And there was one small part in the book.
Speaker: In fact, before I get to that, I'll explain.
Speaker: When I saw the lights in Colombia, it was about 7.30 p.m.
Speaker: in the evening.
Speaker: That morning, we took a ride into town.
Speaker: It was just me and Ashley in his little wagon, car, van thing.
Speaker: And I said to him, something in the air feels different today.
Speaker: It was the end of the season.
Speaker: It was the season change, the end of the dry season coming into the wet season.
Speaker: And something felt different in the air.
Speaker: Then later that night, the lights appeared and we witnessed them.
Speaker: Now, in the book, they very briefly mentioned something called mountain peak discharge.
Speaker: And the only explanation they give is that it has long been known that certain mountains and ranges produce glows, columns and balls of light.
Speaker: Balls of light.
Speaker: at sporadic intervals, especially after the long dry season.
Speaker: And of course that just went bang, hit me in the face and like, well, if that's not what I saw, then I don't know what it is.
Speaker: So these things just keep coming up for me and knowing that we're going to be back out there in three weeks with all of this new information in my head, I'm just like, let's go.
Speaker: Yeah, that's definitely interesting because we pick up on like changes, you know,
Speaker: there are changes in the atmosphere when rain's about to happen or like the weather is going to change and we don't give ourselves enough credits we don't give our body enough credit to recognize that and our ancestors did this you know um just like some people would walk outside be like it smells like it's going to rain even though there's not clouds and then the rain comes the clouds come in later like there's we have like spidey senses and um
Speaker: that's you know as much as I kind of was like butthurt that he decided to go with Kenneth Arnold and start saying they were just like earth lights I was I made myself listen and I made myself read it and it's like man that kind of makes sense now now I'm kind of like that's the one for me because you know emotionally attached to Kenneth Arnold for obvious reasons but um it's just we have to keep all of it on the table and as excited as you were when you saw the lights in Columbia you still have to like play both sides you still have to
Speaker: You're allowed to be mesmerized by something that's prosaic as well.
Speaker: And I think some people don't give that enough credit.
Speaker: Like it still is amazing that if it is just the earth doing its thing and our atmosphere interacting with these elements in the earth and these geological features, it's still an amazing thing to witness.
Speaker: just like the Aurora Borealis.
Speaker: Like the first time I saw that I pulled over in Alaska and I was like crying and I was like, Oh my gosh, the planet's amazing.
Speaker: Like that's been, so just, I think people need to remember that even if there is an explanation for something that you thought blew your mind, it's still blew your mind.
Speaker: And it's still beautiful the way science can interact.
Speaker: Different elements of the world can interact with different types of frequencies and, and minerals that we have here and fallout from space.
Speaker: It's just,
Speaker: It's still amazing.
Speaker: So that's just my rant.
Speaker: No, no, it makes sense because if you've got science at one end and the things that we know that have been studied, then you've got UFOs right over here.
Speaker: This phenomenon we're discussing at the moment sits somewhere in the middle.
Speaker: There is so little has ever been known about it, been researched, because it always gets dragged back into the fringes.
Speaker: I'm just going to read this quote here, which really, again, stood out to me, that the light phenomena –
Speaker: It begins to be separated from the camouflage of possibly related and somewhat different light phenomena, but becomes swallowed up by that voracious and ill-disciplined monster, the UFO.
Speaker: It always gets dragged back into the UFO law, and it really needs to be dedicated and focused on separately, with science, but from UFOs and in this new zone that we want to take it forward.
Speaker: I imagine it's kind of part of what we saw Abby Lowab and Sean Kirkpatrick release the paper this week and kind of say, these are the bounds of known physics and anything outside of this is truly anomalous.
Speaker: And this is kind of what we have to do here.
Speaker: We've got to figure out what's possible to understand what's possible.
Speaker: We can't just keep going back into these, as McQuest likes to call them, low information zones and just relying on them
Speaker: for the mysterious.
Speaker: That low information zone is full of unknown phenomena, unknown effects.
Speaker: And quite frankly, some things that we're never gonna know.
Speaker: Like the Kenneth Arnold stuff was, it blew my mind because I worked with Graham and Ulrich to that site and then we looked through the blue book
Speaker: of reporting, early reports and things like that.
Speaker: And in my head before reading this book, I was like, yeah, they were sources skipping along kind of thing.
Speaker: And now I'm kind of looking at them with a mind of, okay, could they have been some natural phenomena interacting with the electromagnetic fields and kind of bouncing along them instead of employing this kind of crazy propulsion?
Speaker: And either one for me is incredible.
Speaker: Like I said earlier, this could very well be one of the next unknown propulsion systems that we just don't understand yet.
Speaker: And it will probably take the time, you know, kind of reading around the lightning and kind of the things that it does, because there has been work done on it scientifically, even though you don't.
Speaker: even though we don't understand it.
Speaker: You know, you look at Hutchison effects and things that are called kind of, there's so many different names for them.
Speaker: But they all seem to, and I'm gonna just pull something in that I hadn't seen mentioned in the book.
Speaker: They all seem to do what we would refer to as transmuting matter, which is just basically alchemy.
Speaker: You know, we have these reports of these kind of giant light balls dropping material out of the bottom of themselves.
Speaker: Now, if there's a light ball in the air pulling elements and kind of compressing it to levels that are just, you know, humanity can't achieve, then it's perfectly possible that there is this mechanism within that ball to kind of do these things that right now we see as a miracle.
Speaker: But really, a miracle is just science that we don't understand yet.
Speaker: And we have to remember that even the scientists
Speaker: can be wrong or can step on each other.
Speaker: Just think of Galileo and how that stuff progressed.
Speaker: It ultimately wasn't Galileo that convinced the church that he was right.
Speaker: It was someone else.
Speaker: Many years later, they brought it in and they finally put Galileo's book on the shelf and said, actually, he was right.
Speaker: And now we finally have a way to explain it that isn't kind of
Speaker: sacrilege to the church and you can kind of incorporate it into the known worldview.
Speaker: The way that society advances along with this knowledge is absolutely fascinating and it's such a deep integrated part of the conversation.
Speaker: For me, I would love to
Speaker: you know, research the phenomenology of experiences of UAP, UFOs, ball lightning, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: But also just keep gathering data on this phenomena.
Speaker: And as I was reading this, I was just like, oh, God, like roll on Columbia, because this is one of the sites where we see this phenomena happening.
Speaker: And we essentially stand to put a flag in it and say, hey, you know, scientists, if you're interested in this and you want more data in this, this is where you should be setting up.
Speaker: This is something that comes out from reading the book or at least half the book that I've read so far, plus talking to the likes of these two guys, is that it's such a shame that scientists on mass haven't actually got involved in researching things like this because it's such an interesting kind of topic anyway.
Speaker: It has so many kind of
Speaker: maybe applications if you like who knows what it could be if it's harnessed if it can be harnessed it could be used for but it's also it almost seems the reason why that isn't the case is because it's wrapped up in the kind of ufo law um obviously the the authors do try to do a good job of actually separating the two but they are constantly interlinked um and it's the kind of thing that you know on its own
Speaker: would make an excellent BBC Horizon documentary back in the 80s and 90s.
Speaker: A team of scientists looking at this strange transient light phenomenon on top of mountains or coming out of fishes on the ground or whatever and presenting as balls of light.
Speaker: And you can imagine the interest of a documentary just
Speaker: with that kind of scope and those kind of limits would be, it would still be really entertaining, it would still be really interesting.
Speaker: And it would set the world on fire in terms of what could be possible and just this kind of new thing that people would discover.
Speaker: Whereas because it's got a kind of this kind of like sort of flying saucer quality about it as well, because it's all wrapped up in the same sort of thing, people just don't touch it.
Speaker: You know, it's beyond the pale kind of stuff.
Speaker: So unfortunately, if you could separate those two things apart,
Speaker: you might be able to get more people involved in it.
Speaker: And I think it is definitely something that should be much more kind of sort of looked at scientifically with a view of trying to understand some of it, at least if not all of it, because it's an absolutely fascinating kind of topic.
Speaker: And just listening to these guys and not just seeing the documentary, but actually talking them, the two of them themselves afterwards and all the kind of things they saw and the things they simply can't understand themselves.
Speaker: It's something that definitely bears much more examination.
Speaker: It made me think of you guys are familiar with the late Nikola Tesla.
Speaker: He might be known by some people in the comments.
Speaker: But at one point, Tesla, for all of his genius, he picked up some radio signals from space.
Speaker: And he declared that he was communicating with extraterrestrials from Mars.
Speaker: now we know that what he was picking up actually was a natural phenomenon given up planets and supernova and things like that so they produce radio waves and it doesn't take away from the work that he did but it certainly kind of you know he was the first person to pick up that phenomena had he had modern day instruments he would have figured out in a heartbeat and it would have upended science anyway
Speaker: Thinking about when this book was written, and there's a few points in the book where Paul does say, we tried to get data for an area and the data wasn't precise enough for us to draw conclusions.
Speaker: Now I can just jump onto Google Earth and overlay an electromagnetic map or gravity map or cosmic ray map that people back in the past didn't even have any idea existed.
Speaker: and we can compare this data.
Speaker: So we stand in a really great spot in terms of like pulling this work forward.
Speaker: I would love to see an updated version of this book or like Graham said, you know, a BBC Horizon type documentary that just kind of lays this out and kind of paints a really compelling picture for this stuff existing and even to draw scientists in.
Speaker: I would love to hear what Abby Long has to say about the phenomena, but, you know, I'm just going to say as a side,
Speaker: I would hope that he would inform himself about it before this meeting.
Speaker: It's 34 years old, that book, by the way, just to, you know, just to, you know, just to.
Speaker: I was just thinking the same thing.
Speaker: I just checked.
Speaker: I was going to say 90s and I realized I can say that.
Speaker: 1989.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Think about like the little advancements that have been happening with like analysis, just with getting more people having access to Internet and satellite images and different types of maps that are kind of out there in the public now.
Speaker: that maybe they didn't do it in the past because they didn't think there'd be interest.
Speaker: Like you said, like, you know, like the, like the space noise, but I still think that it's cool that we can experience something perfectly prosaic, find out what it is and think back to like Nick, think about how inspired Nikola Tesla was by that.
Speaker: Even though like, he's probably, you know, we're, if we told him now he'd be like, Oh wait, what, you know, but just the inspiration that comes from seeing like natural things,
Speaker: that seem supernatural that are actually just natural and unknown to us.
Speaker: So I just, you know, we have to maintain a sense of wonder.
Speaker: Even scientists realize this, you know, and Avi Love talks about that.
Speaker: And when in his book too, he talks about like maintaining that curiosity of a child.
Speaker: But even if we know what it is, it's still very inspiring because how cool is that?
Speaker: You know, that we're picking up on sounds from space, like, and we can just do that.
Speaker: Just like you said, overlay a map.
Speaker: Just like that, you know?
Speaker: It's just a while to think we didn't have that even like, you know, as accessible when this book was wrote, so.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: It kind of makes you wonder, you know, in 50 years in the weather reports on Daily on the News, are we gonna get, oh, we're actually moving through the Tauric meteor stream and therefore the cosmic rays are gonna be increased and we might be feeling a little depressed.
Speaker: Like, is that kind of where this is all going?
Speaker: could very well be.
Speaker: We don't know.
Speaker: This stuff affects us on an electromagnetic scale.
Speaker: And there are all these forces in the universe that we keep discovering.
Speaker: And I think it was like 94, 95% of the universe is unknown to us.
Speaker: We just call it dark matter.
Speaker: They be expansion of the universe, dark energy.
Speaker: And they're genuinely interesting phenomena there that science needs to understand.
Speaker: And yeah, they be monsters, but they also be solutions.
Speaker: Very interesting.
Speaker: You mentioned how it affects us, like our body.
Speaker: Some people think that's very woo, but there are physiological effects reported from Earth lights, right?
Speaker: That people come into close proximity with it.
Speaker: And it makes sense.
Speaker: It's just another form of energy, like traveling through our sensitive little bodies and even electromagnetic energy.
Speaker: What holds molecules together?
Speaker: You know, it's all electromagnetic and I was actually was just talking to Deb about this earlier today because I had coffee with her from Deb's Data Dojo.
Speaker: And we were talking about like neurotransmitters being affected by electromagnetism and how like literally like neurotransmitters you think are only in your brain, but they're everywhere.
Speaker: Like you literally need them everywhere to talk to your brain.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: we were talking about that earlier, so it's interesting you bring that up, and you were talking about the physiological stuff that happens earlier.
Speaker: We just don't know, you know?
Speaker: And it's not ethical to expose somebody to like, oh, there's an earthquake, go stay on the mountain.
Speaker: There might be some, you know, earthquake lights happening, see what happens to you.
Speaker: But it's definitely an avenue.
Speaker: We hear it with regard to, just to bring up a case that is on Anthony's mind right now, Chris Bledsoe.
Speaker: He always says he has a feeling
Speaker: when these things arrive and then he goes outside and there they are.
Speaker: Some people have kind of called it a euphoria, but you know, kind of, kind of.
Speaker: And that could just be that, you know, if they're within a certain range of this phenomena, their, you know, happens go up and they know that this process is going on.
Speaker: Yeah, I was just going to say as well, I think it's worth mentioning that since Graham mentioned the age of the book, 34 years, and this is something that still to this day is unknown and hasn't really been studied in the, well, there's certainly not much in the public eye.
Speaker: Before the book was published and following the publishing of the original book, Earthlights, in 1986, our good friend and colleague, Dr. David Clark, and his friend, Andy Roberts, set up Project Pennine, which is one of the chapters in the book.
Speaker: Now, that is an area of the Pennine Hills in England that they split into six zones and collected testimony and data from that area.
Speaker: And, you know, we have a baseline already set out for us that we could continue to work on now.
Speaker: And I'm just so surprised that it hasn't been done in all these decades.
Speaker: And so...
Speaker: You know, it's got my brain wearing and thoughts ticking that maybe now is the time to pick up where they left off.
Speaker: And, you know, I've had conversations with David, not only on my YouTube channel, but privately many times, you know, with a glass of wine and postulating all the possibilities of what these things are.
Speaker: And I mean, I just think you don't drink wine.
Speaker: you don't have to lie that'd be cool no empty bottles i mean if only there was somebody if only there was somebody out there that you know had the ambition to do something like that i don't know don't you think i live i live in the pennines now i live at the top you know the top end of the pennines so yeah so
Speaker: Did you read the Pennine chapter yet?
Speaker: Well, funnily enough, I have done.
Speaker: And because of the limitations of where they looked at, the bit I live in is actually just off the top of the map.
Speaker: It's still the Pennines, but not quite in the areas they looked at.
Speaker: But I think as they got progressively further north, it was either because they ran out of people to look at those areas or they didn't get up that area.
Speaker: Dave lives near Sheffield, so that's further down the bottom end of the map.
Speaker: So I think there were less reports because they did less investigation further north.
Speaker: But things happen around here.
Speaker: I mean, this is quite a geological area as well.
Speaker: There's certainly a lot of mining took place around this area, lead mining and quarrying and all the rest of it.
Speaker: And it's quite an interesting geological area anyway.
Speaker: So you get a lot of rock hoppers up this way looking at things.
Speaker: So I wouldn't be surprised if I delved into the folklore of this area.
Speaker: I'd find similar kind of stuff like that.
Speaker: And you mentioned before about, well, these things you'd like to look into.
Speaker: And I think that got my mind going.
Speaker: So I might just ask a few people around here if anything happens.
Speaker: I'm going to call that a synchronicity because all of a sudden you're there and there's cool things to research.
Speaker: So you don't have to comment on that because I don't want to know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But yeah, that's super cool.
Speaker: Wow, you just kind of came up with another project for yourself.
Speaker: I know you do a lot of volunteering.
Speaker: As if I haven't gotten enough already.
Speaker: You're all over the place, though.
Speaker: I always see you out and about doing cool things.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: It kind of speaks to the opportunities in this area as well.
Speaker: Everyone kind of wants to go out and research UFOs, but the truth of the matter is you just have to research the data no matter what it's called.
Speaker: Whether it's a flaming dragon in the sky or full lightning or Will-o'-the-wisp or someone thinks they're so Mary Magdalene.
Speaker: you know all of this is data and you have to collect it i'd be really curious because now now we have methods of communication that we just didn't have back in the 80s when these guys put this together so you know if graham kind of put out a call you probably get emails and all sorts of things like photographs you know all sorts of things that just they wouldn't have got back in the 80s so
Speaker: yeah i i wonder the depth of experience there in in those areas that that could be uncovered in the modern age as opposed to what what it was in the 80s do you guys know um if there's like a big database that's current for people seeing you know these sorts of lights that might be geographical or is it just kind of getting reported as uap
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, in England, it's definitely getting majorly reported as UAP.
Speaker: I know that, I mean, in theory, Project Pennine is still ongoing.
Speaker: To what degree, I'm sure it's quite minimal.
Speaker: But actually, funnily enough, almost like a synchronicity, I...
Speaker: Andy Roberts, David's friend who he set it up with, came up in my recommended friends on Facebook today.
Speaker: So I'm actually going to reach out to him and see if I can get him and David together to go over it on my channels.
Speaker: That would be amazing.
Speaker: Not only to work off of this book and the work that they did before, but to actually collaborate with the people that did the work 34 years ago, no, 38 years ago or whatever it was.
Speaker: I mean, it's just incredible opportunities to move a step forward.
Speaker: And yeah, like I said, separate it from the UFO subject, but it's still an absolutely amazing phenomena.
Speaker: Right, right.
Speaker: And it's an anomaly in its own right.
Speaker: You know, it doesn't have to be a UFO to be cool.
Speaker: Like, I know we're in the, I know we're, you know, UFO people, but I'm sorry, UAP people.
Speaker: I got to face with me.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I forgot Graham was here.
Speaker: I gotta be, I'm just kidding, Graham.
Speaker: I love you.
Speaker: But, you know, we just have to, like you, like there are so many mysteries in our own life and it's, it's just, I'm sorry, my mind's just like going because I, I think it's another exciting thing and just the thought of you picking up that research.
Speaker: So it just isn't sitting there.
Speaker: Like I'm sure things have happened between
Speaker: you know, they just need somebody to look into it and to monitor it because there's only a few people running that it sounds like so I think more hands on deck would definitely be able to make the study continue in a more active way versus it's just like it's still there but we're not really sure.
Speaker: So I'm glad you guys are inspired by that.
Speaker: It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, though, if some of the events that we talk about on a day-to-day basis could be explained by Earth lights, as some description.
Speaker: We're all after answers to the things that we talk about and that we research and we read about.
Speaker: you know so why we can't have these kind of sacred cows that they've got to be aliens i don't use that word very often but you know what i mean you know you know nhr non-human intelligence or or whatever you know whatever your kind of particular you know sort of like field of you know research involves um we're looking for answers and if those answers turn out to be something else that's great
Speaker: Because what it does is it narrows down the number of cases that we don't have explanations for.
Speaker: And that's what everybody's wanting.
Speaker: They're wanting to basically just shorten the numbers, get the numbers down to a manageable amount.
Speaker: Because at the moment, we've got a huge number of sightings that nobody can explain.
Speaker: And if you can take a few of them off as, yeah, OK, they've categorically been explained as X and some more as Y. And then if it's proven that you can, with a little bit of application, a bit of effort and a bit of research,
Speaker: write some things off as something like this, then surely other people can come along with a bit of more enthusiasm and go, well, actually, it's possible to be able to explain these.
Speaker: And they'll find something else to explain something else.
Speaker: And then we'll get to this little core of stuff that would say, look, this can't be explained by anything else but X, Y, and Z. So just because they don't turn out to be ET, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker: Yeah, and I think part of the excitement and
Speaker: And that of looking into these things is just figuring out the mechanism and what makes these things work.
Speaker: Even if we don't get the answers, we're still working towards that goal and we can still move it further down the field.
Speaker: That is where the excitement comes in for me personally.
Speaker: And it's unknown.
Speaker: Anything unknown, I want to figure it out and let's do it.
Speaker: It's the application of all this for me that is really exciting.
Speaker: Like everything that you guys just said, absolutely.
Speaker: You know, it filters out that data pile so we know what's truly in our lives and we can apply that word properly.
Speaker: But just as an example, fiber optics, we take that for granted, right?
Speaker: We all use broadband internet now.
Speaker: It's everywhere.
Speaker: At one point, that was like- They don't in Mexico.... technology.
Speaker: No, they don't.
Speaker: but they are using starlink in mexico which is like this whole other that's so cool i think that's so cool um fiber optics we look to nature to make that better we look at sea urges that produce light and send it through these these strands of hair and efficiency that we just haven't been able to achieve so we look to nature we find the mechanism we make our technology better
Speaker: everything that we have was inspired by nature in some way or another so the only thing really to do is to study nature and see what it gives us it'll give us new science it'll give us some more mysteries and and i'm really excited that you're going to be coming with us and i really hope you can see something and
Speaker: Kind of like you said about the normal lights, it's still profoundly effective, even if it's something prosaic, because it's this crazy, huge mystery of new science.
Speaker: How many people get to say that they witnessed new science, you know?
Speaker: Yeah, some ball lightning better show up.
Speaker: I want my money back.
Speaker: We're going to have to, like, I don't know.
Speaker: It's a
Speaker: I really hope I see something, but you guys saw it on the last night.
Speaker: So I'm, you know, we'll see.
Speaker: And one thing I have to say about that as well is like we captured the footage in high definition and it was great and all that.
Speaker: But what was, what I have to state is that being there in person, what I saw visually with my eyes can never be really portrayed properly on camera.
Speaker: It was it was really something to behold when you're literally stood directly in front of that peak.
Speaker: We were all freaking out on the on the, you know, on the last episode.
Speaker: I was freaking out.
Speaker: And, you know, and they have lived there before and they'd seen it and they were still freaking out, actually, and his wife.
Speaker: So it was like, it's just like you said, it doesn't matter sometimes if it's non-human intelligence or Earth just doing its thing.
Speaker: it's still going to be beautiful and it's still going to be fascinating.
Speaker: And you can't capture, people keep saying, oh, we want more HD images.
Speaker: We want more this, we want more this, but it's just going to be like a really big ball of light.
Speaker: Like it's still not going to cut through that light barrier.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So that's another thing people don't,
Speaker: quite under like forget to like talk about you know i don't want to say they don't understand it because i don't want to belittle anybody's intelligence but you can take a you can have a great camera take a picture of a light bulb and it can drown it out depending on the wattage right and if you're looking at something super bright like you guys had the close-ups it's still going to be a ball of light like yes you don't have that technology to just be like okay let's go like you know through the light and see what's in the middle or whatever so it's definitely interesting and
Speaker: I'm really hoping to see some cool stuff, but if not, it's still going to be a very cool trip.
Speaker: And yeah, once in a very, I don't want to say once in a lifetime because I don't want to put limits on things, but it's definitely going to be new and exciting.
Speaker: I wanted to go back to some of the comments.
Speaker: There was a super cute one when we were talking about Uranus and how it had rings.
Speaker: And Laura says, someone liked it, so they put a ring on it.
Speaker: So no, that's actually how Uranus got its rings, guys.
Speaker: then christian said something which um i haven't really looked into because i never thought of it until he said it so we have um nasa tastes with balls of light in space so that if that's something i kind of want to look into more so thanks for bringing that up christian have you guys looking for those sorry go on go on i was just gonna say we were both far too polite mind you really sure i was just gonna you gotta play paper rock scissors
Speaker: Anything occurring in space is still going to be something extraterrestrial.
Speaker: So when you have Avril Haines saying maybe it's something that occurs extraterrestrially, this counts.
Speaker: Yeah, mine was really quick.
Speaker: I was just going to say that we know that the ionization in the atmosphere occurs and these lights have been seen very, very high altitudes as well.
Speaker: So why limit it to the atmosphere?
Speaker: Why not out into space?
Speaker: If it comes down to the ground, why can't it go up as well?
Speaker: they also found discovered some years ago a phenomenon where in lightning storms they found lights that went shooting upwards from the storms oh that was something that wasn't even known about beforehand so you know yeah look at these two no i just thought you were doing upwards like that yeah so uh if you're listening to audio only they thought graham was flipping everybody off so
Speaker: Yeah, well, sublimal messages everybody there.
Speaker: But no, it was something that hadn't been discovered and nobody knew about until they actually captured it on film.
Speaker: So things like this can happen and nobody knows anything about them until they're suddenly discovered.
Speaker: And then you get people falling over themselves to try and explain what they are.
Speaker: And this is, again, this is something that probably should have those kind of people looking at this and going, yeah, we need to work this out.
Speaker: absolutely it's we're studying everything else so let's let's figure out what this is because like there could be applications so if you're greedy and you have money you could benefit from it um so we can talk about this more but we need to pick a book for next time so it's probably not going to be april because i'm going to be like create like like two like i have
Speaker: travel anxiety and i have adhd so like getting ready to go somewhere like a month in advance is like that's it that's all i'm doing like i don't know who's gonna clean the house because that's it i'm planning i'm planning on my what i'm packing um so um april will be dead for me um so we'll probably have book club in in may so um we have some time to read it when we get back or leading up to depending on how fast you read but let's pick a book
Speaker: So I'm going to put loose threads in the hat again because I feel like that is just a great primer.
Speaker: There was a lot of work put into it.
Speaker: It's free and it's great.
Speaker: It's very detailed.
Speaker: And I just want more people to read it because it's cool.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: They should put that out as a book, you know, just kind of compile it into an e-book and chuck it up on Amazon.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because you can access it, you know, through the article.
Speaker: But I mean, people will see it more.
Speaker: But I think they just wanted it to be super accessible right away.
Speaker: So that's very cool for all the work that went into it.
Speaker: So if you guys worked on reloose threads, thank you.
Speaker: OK, so Vinny.
Speaker: I'm going to choose Earthlights 1.
Speaker: No, not really.
Speaker: I'm not really.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: Everything Earthlights.
Speaker: I'm going to choose Leslie Kane.
Speaker: UFOs, generals, pilots, and government officials go on the record.
Speaker: It definitely needs a revisiting.
Speaker: I feel like I want to reread that one because I read it a long time ago and I feel like I just... Same.
Speaker: Sometimes you have to reread a really good one.
Speaker: It's a good primer for anybody new into the subject as well.
Speaker: You know, it doesn't cover everything, obviously, but it's a good in point where people can then branch out after reading it.
Speaker: So, there we go.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'm going to pick a contentious subject.
Speaker: Top secret magic.
Speaker: Stanton Freeman.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: MJ 12 is one of those kind of subjects where, you know, it's Marmite, isn't it?
Speaker: It's one of the things where you believe it or you don't and there's no middle ground.
Speaker: Actually, there is middle ground because like a lot of things, you know, if you want to lie about something, you basically hide it between two truths or whichever way around you have it.
Speaker: the jury's out on how true it is.
Speaker: Now, Stan basically comes out and says, you know, it's true.
Speaker: And that's his reasoning.
Speaker: And it's a good read.
Speaker: So put that in the final part.
Speaker: Definitely a fascinating topic.
Speaker: All right, Dan, your turn.
Speaker: So you guys have all chosen, like, real things.
Speaker: So I'm going to go for a little fiction and just throw in three-body problem.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because I think it highlights some really out-there ideas about how other civilizations can influence us here on Earth and how just the knowledge that they exist.
Speaker: My topic is somewhere else.
Speaker: You know, my husband, I got it from my husband because he's into all the weird sci-fi stuff, and I still haven't read it.
Speaker: And now he's watching the YouTube channel.
Speaker: The series, yeah.
Speaker: I'm on episode 30.
Speaker: I'll simply say that, like, be sure that, you know, if your husband likes the weird stuff, read the whole trilogy, because by the time you're in book three, you're about 18 million years removed from the beginning of the story.
Speaker: And it gets really crazy and abstract.
Speaker: But Chicheng Liu still kind of tries to ground it in science.
Speaker: And so there are some really thought provoking kind of subjects brought forward.
Speaker: just thinking about how a civilization that can manipulate space and time, why would they even need a spaceship anymore?
Speaker: We're really stuck in our anthropomorphic reasoning.
Speaker: So yeah, I'd put that out there as just something a little different and thought-provoking.
Speaker: I like that.
Speaker: I like that because we've been reading very factual books or books that are heavy on research, and that's great.
Speaker: We're here for that.
Speaker: But I think that there are some books that are out there that can have the backing of science
Speaker: that make it very interesting because even the Tom DeLonge books people love and based on.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So yeah, let's do this.
Speaker: See which one.
Speaker: I want three buddy problem.
Speaker: Not going to lie.
Speaker: And I'd be curious to see what you thought of it after watching the TV show.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The other way around.
Speaker: Guess who won?
Speaker: Graham.
Speaker: Not to Vinnie Graham.
Speaker: So can you hold it up?
Speaker: So we got top secret.
Speaker: it has a long name right top secret mad i can't see what it says yes top secret magic uh operation majestic 12 and the united states government's ufo cover-up and so it was written by stanton t friedman and uh there's a forward by whitley striber striber and it was written in 1996 but there's another issue in 1997 and then the uh this version that i've got here was 2005. so
Speaker: Have we picked any of your books yet?
Speaker: Did that ever happen?
Speaker: Yeah, the one we discussed today.
Speaker: Oh, that's right.
Speaker: That's right.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: I got Dan.
Speaker: I'm just going to get Dan credit for it.
Speaker: He wasn't even here.
Speaker: I'm just going to check that Stanton Friedman's not like 50 quid a copy, though.
Speaker: This copy was a fiver.
Speaker: i'll give you a five before i then go in yeah um yeah it's cool i have got a hardback copy as well uh which i got as part of a job lot i bought a job lot of ufo books um about a month ago on ebay for about 15 pounds um and there was 16 books in the job lot and this was one of them uh the hardback version of it so you can get stuff really cheaply on ebay
Speaker: Yeah, definitely looking at eBay.
Speaker: That's really cool.
Speaker: You can get those space shuttle pins as well on eBay.
Speaker: Those space shuttle pins, yeah.
Speaker: Pretend you don't know where it came from later if you want.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: So does anybody have any... Dan has just given everybody that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: no comments um no more i have nothing further to say on the spaceship pin anyways um do you guys have any closing thoughts on the book or anything at all what are you guys doing next um yeah all that stuff i mean i think anybody like graham said earlier i think anybody should read the book it really is
Speaker: it just connects a lot of things that we've all thought about and discussed and researched for years and it does it doesn't take away from the ufo subject it builds upon it in my opinion it adds more possibilities and yeah just just go and read it i think it's brilliant i think it's brilliantly written um as far as what's what's coming up next um
Speaker: oh so much i guess columbia three three just over three weeks we'll all be there i'm gonna be doing some live streams oh yeah i'm on talk radio with howard hughes tomorrow night i'm actually speaking at ufo expo virtually tomorrow night as well so yeah just so much just so much i love it i love it his instagram guys and you can see everything vinnie's doing
Speaker: Yeah, so as Vinny says, you know, buy it, read it.
Speaker: It's thought-provoking, if nothing else.
Speaker: So it's worth buying and obtaining a copy and reading it for that reason alone.
Speaker: As for what next, well, I've got a new book coming out shortly.
Speaker: Dan is still busy with the artwork and Anulaf is busy with the artwork.
Speaker: So as soon as it's done, it'll be out.
Speaker: So that's great.
Speaker: So something to look forward to.
Speaker: And then three months from now or three and a half months from now, Vinny and I off to the States.
Speaker: To speak Ed Roswell.
Speaker: Ed Roswell, yeah, that's right.
Speaker: We're really looking forward to that, aren't we?
Speaker: Oh, God, can't wait.
Speaker: And Dan will be there.
Speaker: We're meeting Dan there.
Speaker: And Dan will be there as well.
Speaker: Yeah, whether you're out there before us, Dan, or you're leaving England with us, I think everything's a bit up in the air, isn't it, right now?
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: I'm kind of in this flux where I'm kind of listening to where the universe wants me to be, and following the synchronicities.
Speaker: I will say Starry Night from Van Gogh is just following me.
Speaker: It's even here on the front of the door.
Speaker: Very cool.
Speaker: It's a little crazy.
Speaker: But yeah, I would recommend everyone read this book.
Speaker: Challenge yourself.
Speaker: Challenge your beliefs.
Speaker: Even if it doesn't kind of fit your puzzle pieces, it doesn't mean that it's not part of the bigger puzzle.
Speaker: The universe is just bigger than
Speaker: What was that?
Speaker: That definitely, that's definitely like a stream yard situation.
Speaker: Cause it happened to all of us.
Speaker: I'm feeling dizzy now.
Speaker: Your beautiful message got like glitched out and we all started glitching.
Speaker: So it must've been really powerful.
Speaker: You want to try and say that again, the universe?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh man.
Speaker: It was an in the moment thing.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Keep your mind open and explore things that challenge you because the universe is bigger than any of us.
Speaker: I love it.
Speaker: I love it.
Speaker: And universe, I want to go to Roswell in person.
Speaker: So find me a job so I can go.
Speaker: Okay, all the universes.
Speaker: I don't have anything to sacrifice anymore, but you know.
Speaker: So on that note, I have absolutely nothing going on because I have to like mentally prepare to leave my family, which I'm excited, but also freaked out about because like I've been with my babies since they were born besides like New York trips, which is like what, two days?
Speaker: So...
Speaker: So I'm mentally preparing for that and doing absolutely nothing.
Speaker: I'm finally not sick.
Speaker: So I'm just, I'm probably going to be around, but not doing anything productive.
Speaker: Besides, I'm going to be doing more research for Columbia.
Speaker: I'm going to be doing that probably getting ready to it.
Speaker: So that's where my focus is right now.
Speaker: And also on some other research I'm doing to do a virtual speaking at the Roswell thing.
Speaker: So
Speaker: That's what I'll be doing.
Speaker: You guys know where to find me.
Speaker: And guys, hang out afterwards.
Speaker: Everybody in the chat, thank you so much.
Speaker: I see Nathan.
Speaker: Nathan, Deb told me that you chose to go watch a movie instead of being here.
Speaker: I'm just kidding.
Speaker: He didn't read the book.
Speaker: And then we're like, come anyways.
Speaker: He's like, oh, I might not be back in time.
Speaker: Yeah, so.
Speaker: We look forward to see you next time, Nathan.
Speaker: You saw what we were reading.
Speaker: Everybody in the chat, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker: I really appreciate everybody that hops on here and hangs out in the chat.
Speaker: I love being in chats when I get to hang out with everybody.
Speaker: And I love that people have so much to add.
Speaker: And everybody was very well behaved today in the chat.
Speaker: You guys get to be on the green part of the behavioral chart, like the good boy, good girl chart.
Speaker: So good job.
Speaker: Does everyone get a star sticker?
Speaker: they do i'll make a chart for my people that show up every month thank you so much everybody everybody hang out afterwards that's uh on the panel and everybody else i will see you soon thanks again share like subscribe i'm almost a thousand subscriptions on youtube so get me there just so i could be like yeah i did it have a good one
