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Speaker: Hello, hello.
Speaker: On this episode of StellarPod, we will be revisiting where we left off yesterday.
Speaker: Not exactly on the same topic, but we'll still be in the realm of stellar talk.
Speaker: To get to it, today's episode, we're going to get down on transgenderism.
Speaker: It's a very big topic in today's world.
Speaker: As a matter of fact, something I know me and Matt have talked about quite a bit.
Speaker: What makes a man a man?
Speaker: What makes a woman a woman?
Speaker: These things are up for discussion in today's society, whether or not they are already outlined in curriculum on the internet.
Speaker: You can look it up, but not everybody abides by the norm, and personal opinions are at an all-time high.
Speaker: We're going to look at some opinions towards these things, as well as we're going to pull out what does the
Speaker: internet say about them, you know, credible sources, obviously, we're not just gonna pull off of anything.
Speaker: Let's try to stay away from Wikipedia, though I am a big fan of Wikipedia.
Speaker: So let's start off with Matt.
Speaker: With in regards to transgender people, would you like to go ahead and take a crack at defining what is a transgender individual to you?
Speaker: Transgender, I think if I had to define it as closely to the textbook as possible, would be someone who is not of the gender that they were born with.
Speaker: I think there's a lot of options that that can take, but I think that's probably the most broad, but the most accurate as well, I think.
Speaker: I'd like to hear what
Speaker: textbook definition is yeah and totally go ahead don't don't switch your personal opinions to what the textbook is i'll have i'll have that for you because that's what my truth is but i want to hear what your truth is i don't want you to tell me what i'm trying to say to you go ahead and tell me what you want to say because i know 100 that's probably not what you think a transgender person is um
Speaker: at least not to the effect of how I believe you would say it.
Speaker: If I were to say it a different way, it might not be the best for the politically correct, right?
Speaker: Don't get the answer before it started.
Speaker: Go ahead and be the real you, as much as you want to.
Speaker: Obviously, censor yourself where you think is where you should, but go ahead and be yourself.
Speaker: That's what this is for.
Speaker: So when I hear the word transgender...
Speaker: The first thing that comes to mind is the word tranny, right?
Speaker: Like that's just, it's, I think you hear those pretty side by side.
Speaker: You hear lady boy, especially being in this region.
Speaker: I've been to Thailand a couple of times.
Speaker: And whenever I go to Thailand, people always ask me or they always mention, don't mess with those lady boys.
Speaker: And with the technology today, you,
Speaker: transgenders look very close to the gender that they're... The sex, I think, if we discuss it last.
Speaker: And we'll get into sex and gender.
Speaker: But they, like... It's someone trying to be something they're not.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: And I don't know if a gender-fluid binary person is considered transgender.
Speaker: I kind of just...
Speaker: think that it's a big quote-unquote mental disorder that might be controversial, but when it gets down to the basis, I think what these people think when they think that they are not a certain gender or sex is not
Speaker: normal right now gay and lesbian I think that's a little different but like if if you just think you're something you're not if you think you're a furry or if you're a man you think you're a woman I feel like that's you're just living in delusion at that point like that's just or I saw a video of this woman who thought she was like a five-year-old girl I just I don't see how that's possible if you're living in reality um and so
Speaker: I think when I think of transgender, the two big ones are man becoming woman, woman becoming man.
Speaker: But as you look at the numbers, it's probably staggering.
Speaker: Probably about 80% is of transgenders from what I just said is a man wanting to be a woman and
Speaker: And then 20% woman becoming a man.
Speaker: Because from what I've seen, from anecdotal evidence, it is harder to be a man.
Speaker: And so men kind of, quote unquote, take the easy way out and just become a woman.
Speaker: And then that's where you get the ladyboys in Thailand.
Speaker: Where people are like, oh, don't mess with the ladyboy because it's really a guy.
Speaker: And when you really think about it, it's pretty gay.
Speaker: That's just not what most men are not gay.
Speaker: And so that's where that correlation kind of comes into effect.
Speaker: So I don't actually have the definition of transgender for you.
Speaker: I'm going to break it down for you as the podcast goes along.
Speaker: I'll definitely say there isn't always a correlation between being a transgender individual and your sexuality being transgender.
Speaker: considered, if we're talking about biological, if you're a biological female, then make the transition to man.
Speaker: There's not always a correlation to the biological female being attracted to females or men.
Speaker: That is a completely separate issue, but we'll get into that eventually, probably not on this podcast, but eventually we'll get into it.
Speaker: I will definitely say tranny is probably going to be considered
Speaker: offensive by transgender people due to the fact that, you know, they just deal with hate and prejudice from hateful and prejudiced people.
Speaker: But there we go.
Speaker: We got to hear what your actual thoughts were on the, on the topic.
Speaker: And we're not going to dive into the sexuality of transgenderism today.
Speaker: So stay away from your ideology on that too much.
Speaker: And we'll get into that a different episode.
Speaker: We're just going to work on a,
Speaker: transgenderism so next up so you have that now go ahead and take a crack at this for me what do you think sex is in comparison to gender what is sex sex i would think would be are you born with x or y chromosomes
Speaker: I think from what I know, that's pretty straightforward is there's two sexes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So now this, I do have a little bit more.
Speaker: So it is, yes, kind of the chromosomes.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: But, you know, there's more to it on top of the chromosomes.
Speaker: First of all, I have the,
Speaker: Definition from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
Speaker: So it is two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as females or male, especially on the basis of the reproductive organs and structures, which you didn't really hit on there, to be honest.
Speaker: You just more said the chromosomes, which is correct, and we will get into that.
Speaker: But yes, sex will be more of the...
Speaker: physical traits regarding male or female.
Speaker: Your gonads, hormones, chromosomes, bodily anatomy, etc.
Speaker: Now, will you take a crack at what is gender?
Speaker: Dude, from what I've heard, I have... Like, I thought I used to know what gender was, right?
Speaker: Male, female.
Speaker: But I...
Speaker: To be bluntly honest, I have no idea anymore.
Speaker: Like it's, I feel like there's 2000 genders.
Speaker: I have no, I, somewhere between two and a million is how many genders there are.
Speaker: And I can't really define it because I don't know what it is anymore.
Speaker: So yeah, gender, the meaning of gender is actually changing.
Speaker: English is an ever evolving language.
Speaker: It's never going to stay exactly the same.
Speaker: Slang words are always going to be added.
Speaker: Words will take different meanings.
Speaker: Things of that nature.
Speaker: Are you saying words take on additional meanings or the words we mean them?
Speaker: How often do we change the meaning of words?
Speaker: Very often.
Speaker: Can you give another recent example of a word that we've changed the meaning on?
Speaker: Yeah, well, the word that you said, gay, everybody is, that's very well known that gay was before, like homosexuality, but also just, it's a way, if you read like more traditional English writings, if you have a gay man that could easy as much just mean he's a jolly, joyful guy.
Speaker: You have, back in the time of like knights and stuff like that, there were like male and female, but if you said gay,
Speaker: I don't remember if it was boys or girls, but they would just kind of use the name as the gender, the sex, whatever you want to call it, because I'm not even sure, to be honest.
Speaker: But it would kind of be an all-encompassing over everyone in regards to what you'd say.
Speaker: come on girls, and then all the guys would come and the girls would stay.
Speaker: It just kind of depends upon the context.
Speaker: There's ain't.
Speaker: I don't know if you're tracking on ain't, but in the early 2000s, ain't was not even a real word, but due to the usage as its slang term, it was actually added to the dictionary.
Speaker: I forget what the exact definition was, but one of my teachers made me write, not really a report, but I had to bring forth the information because that used to be one of my favorite words, ain't.
Speaker: I will say, excuse me, I will say maybe another example of a change in language.
Speaker: Off the top of my head, that's all I got.
Speaker: But I think those are some good examples.
Speaker: And I think, I think you definitely prove my point in terms of, um, the language does change contrary to, I think most of my belief.
Speaker: I hadn't actually really thought about that.
Speaker: I knew, I knew words had taken on new meanings and like, um,
Speaker: We do make like cap and stuff like that.
Speaker: I get that.
Speaker: Things of that nature.
Speaker: And it's the exact same thing.
Speaker: It's just a little bit more official because it is a real word.
Speaker: So gender.
Speaker: So when you think about sex as the physical characteristics and what makes a man or a woman, gender is going to be the psychological characteristics.
Speaker: Now back in...
Speaker: Like the pre 2000s, like you said, gender had a different meaning.
Speaker: It was more so used as a way for like gender roles.
Speaker: Like, yes, it was more male, female.
Speaker: And it was used in a way to identify, oh, she will do the cooking.
Speaker: He will go do the, I don't know, I'm going to say yard work, something along that line, work on the vehicle.
Speaker: But post 2000 in today's society, gender has taken on a meaning closer to gender identity to kind of just drive home the distinction between sex and gender.
Speaker: And gender identity is exactly gender where it's the psychological traits, except it's how one views their own psychological traits.
Speaker: So gender nowadays is going to be more so gender.
Speaker: in line with gender identity rather than gender roles.
Speaker: That was where the switch kind of got made.
Speaker: And it's actually, it's interesting because the first time that the word gender was recorded was back in the 15th century.
Speaker: And like we said, back then it was used definitely in the lines of basically a synonym for sex, but now they're no longer synonyms per, you know, the jurisdiction that will
Speaker: give us what these words mean because somebody's doing it.
Speaker: It's not me or you, but somebody's doing it.
Speaker: And that's, that's where we're getting it from.
Speaker: Now with that, we now have the basis, you know, sex will be the physical characteristics.
Speaker: Gender is going to be, we're going to look at it as the psychological characteristics.
Speaker: both use towards categorizing individuals.
Speaker: Sex biologically, gender is, like I said, more identity.
Speaker: So now I'm going to get into, so the distinguishing factors for sex and what makes a male a male, a female a female.
Speaker: The first one you hit on when we were talking about, I actually don't remember, I think it was gender is what you set it on, but there's three factors that really emerge when talking about this.
Speaker: You have hormones,
Speaker: The big prevailing ones, you have estrogen and androgen, which is like what testosterone falls under.
Speaker: You have gonads, which are the sexual reproductive organs.
Speaker: Do you know what the sexual reproductive organs are?
Speaker: Do you know what a male and female gonads are?
Speaker: I believe there's only one reproductive organ for a man and one reproductive organ for a female.
Speaker: So what are the gonads for a male and a female?
Speaker: I have never heard the word gonads, I'm not even going to lie.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'll go ahead and give it to you.
Speaker: So in the male, it'll be your testicles, your testes, and in the female, it'll be the ovaries.
Speaker: That is what the gonads are.
Speaker: So you have, to reiterate, hormones, estrogen and androgen, gonads, ovaries, and testes.
Speaker: And then you have the chromosomes.
Speaker: You have the XX chromosomes in females and the XY chromosomes in males.
Speaker: So those are the distinguishing factors of sex.
Speaker: In regards to the impact of hormones on gender,
Speaker: Now we're pivoting back to gender, right?
Speaker: So there was a study conducted on mice.
Speaker: And with the mice, the mice, when they are birthed, they're in a different like brainial developmental stage than humans to the point where humans come out with a little bit more like set gender identity.
Speaker: identity upon like birth, whereas rats, their brain development, they get birthed a little bit earlier.
Speaker: So the brains are a little bit more malleable once they enter the world.
Speaker: And the scientists actually, they can inject either testosterone or estrogen into the rats of males and females, and it will impact the psychology of the rats as they age throughout life.
Speaker: I thought this was real funny.
Speaker: So for instance, when a female rat is birthed, and it was only from what I was reading, it was only within five days of birth that this really kind of took effect.
Speaker: But within five days of birth, if you injected a female rat with
Speaker: testosterone throughout that female rat's life, she would be less likely to display lordosis, which is, you know, those, uh, have you seen those pictures of the women that have like the super curved spines with their butts popping out and stuff like that?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I know what you're talking about.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So if you, uh, inject them with testosterone, lordosis, lordosis does not take place, which is that curvature of the spine.
Speaker: And the, you know, in extreme cases, obviously in humans, that's called scoliosis, but for the most part, especially in mice, um, you know, we don't want to personify them.
Speaker: They're more animalistic, but when that low door lordosis, like it aids them in reproduction because, you know, gives the male access more easily, better access.
Speaker: And,
Speaker: So it kind of, so the hormones that their brain is exposed to at birth will change their gender.
Speaker: That's actually, I guess that that's a sexual characteristic, but it does affect their gender is that the, the females become less receptive towards being mounted and are more likely to, once they display that characteristic, they're more likely to mount other animals as well, even though they don't even, you know,
Speaker: They're still biologically female.
Speaker: So in regards to everything that we just said, do you want to take a moment to expand on any of that or should I continue?
Speaker: I think we're rolling right now.
Speaker: Can I linger my water to your quick break?
Speaker: Yeah, we'll take a quick break.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Now that we have, you know, gone over the definition of sex, which we're going to leave at physical characteristics of a biological male or female, we have gone over gender, which, you know, as defined today is going to be closer to gender identity rather than gender role.
Speaker: And actually, I'm going to pause here real quick.
Speaker: So now, nevermind, gender identity rather than gender role.
Speaker: We know that the distinctions of sex, the three things, hormones, estrogen and androgen, gonads, ovaries and testes, and chromosomes XX and XY.
Speaker: I want to hit on the hormones real quick for you.
Speaker: So both males and females produce estrogen and androgen, i.e.
Speaker: testosterone for androgen.
Speaker: The only difference is females produce more estrogen and males produce more testosterone.
Speaker: Just to get that out there as well.
Speaker: It's a little tidbit on information.
Speaker: So now, Matt, I want you to take a crack at this.
Speaker: How many... And so, actually, before we do that, one thing I'm going to say.
Speaker: So I'm not going to call them transgender just to...
Speaker: Uh, for me, it's just to be politically correct, you know, uh, not really because I, I think we need to, but just to spread awareness.
Speaker: Cause I want to normalize the terms around these topics.
Speaker: You know, we remember my first paper for the, the sexuality class, I wanted to normalize the ideologies that people can make good informed decisions.
Speaker: So instead of saying transgender and especially tranny, um,
Speaker: which are just considered outdated because words come and go, get created.
Speaker: We hit that, gender identity, gender role, gender in general.
Speaker: I won't say correct term, but today's term for a transgender individual will be intersex, which is the term I'm going to use from now on just because I want to normalize intersex as a word as well as the definitions around it so that
Speaker: people listening will be able to have informed thoughts and up-to-date thoughts, thinking towards what they could produce as a result of voting and policy that they would support in regards to everything that moves forward from here in today's society.
Speaker: So intersex is the term I'm going to use.
Speaker: Now, how many intersex individuals, Matt, do you think there are worldwide?
Speaker: intersex individuals worldwide, I would probably have to say you want a percent or you want a raw number?
Speaker: No, just give me a percent, please.
Speaker: Percent worldwide, probably like 3%.
Speaker: Hey, that was a pretty big number.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: Go ahead now and give me a percent on how many people you think are ginger.
Speaker: Ginger, trying to think of other cultures, probably 1%, honestly.
Speaker: So I'm gonna go ahead and tell you now, there are 2% of the world's population is gender.
Speaker: It's ginger.
Speaker: So think about all the gingers that you have met in your life and know around you right now, 2% of the world's population is ginger.
Speaker: Now, for intersex individuals, it's estimated approximately
Speaker: 1.7% of the world's population exhibits intersex traits.
Speaker: And of that 1.7%, about 0.5% of people have clinically identifiable sexual or reproductive variations.
Speaker: Now, we're going to get into that.
Speaker: So earlier in the show, you stated, as a matter of fact, can you go over one more time?
Speaker: What do you think a transgender person is?
Speaker: Someone who does not identify their gender as the same thing as their sex.
Speaker: And you said that they're probably confused.
Speaker: They're trying to be something they're not.
Speaker: Those are words in which you said.
Speaker: So, and I don't know if I hit on this already, but when we're talking about how things change, so in the DSM,
Speaker: The DSM is what psychologists use to diagnose mental illnesses.
Speaker: I don't know if it's still a thing, but there used to be one.
Speaker: There was a diagnosis for gender dysphoria, which is a lot of what intersex individuals would have been classified back in the day, I guess, depending on what time they were around, what year they were in.
Speaker: So that was called gender dysphoria.
Speaker: And we're going to get into gender dysphoria in a little bit here.
Speaker: But so you said they're trying to be the sex in which they are not.
Speaker: And they are trying to be something that they are not.
Speaker: So on the contrary, we hit on what is sex and what is gender.
Speaker: So we're going to look at that a little bit more.
Speaker: Did you know that there are individuals who,
Speaker: which, oh, actually, never mind.
Speaker: We can keep using the term transgender.
Speaker: I messed that up.
Speaker: So instead of intersex is not transgender, X that out, cross it out, abort mission.
Speaker: Intersex, you know what a hermaphrodite is, Matt?
Speaker: I've heard the term, and I think it's basically someone who's
Speaker: sex is up in the air because of a birth defect.
Speaker: So, yeah, so intersex is actually the term you use for hermaphrodite.
Speaker: I don't know
Speaker: how that plays into transgenderism.
Speaker: I'm not that up to date.
Speaker: I'm not that politically correct.
Speaker: I'm just trying to give the facts here.
Speaker: So intersex is, we're going to use in regards to hermaphrodites.
Speaker: What a noob.
Speaker: I know, I know.
Speaker: But so, so intersex individuals are often individuals that later in their life will have to become transgender because either, and there's multiple reasons here.
Speaker: So we went into sex, hormones, gonads, and chromosomes.
Speaker: So we're going to start off with gonads.
Speaker: A hermaphrodite is probably most notably, my bad, an intersex individual is most notably known as there are people out there that have sexual, their sexual anatomy is not male or female.
Speaker: They either have an underdeveloped penis or I don't know if you would say overdeveloped or underdeveloped vagina, but they have a
Speaker: Their sexual reproductive organ is either not fully developed or it could even be a mix of the two where you have a penis and a vagina.
Speaker: You have a penis, but then your gonads are ovaries instead of testicles.
Speaker: And then we're going to get into chromosomes.
Speaker: There are individuals that have XY chromosomes, which is male, but the Y is basically turned off.
Speaker: So they have the physical... Well, yeah, that's what I was talking about with the penis, but they have ovaries.
Speaker: have the x y chromosome but the y chromosome is turned off so now they're not producing as much testosterone they have ovaries and that chemical as we said the hormones in the rats change their gender identity it does the same thing to people so for the trans community there it's much more than me being if i woke up tomorrow and said i'm a woman
Speaker: Between me and you, I mean, as far as I know, you never know what you don't know, but I feel like a pretty normal guy.
Speaker: And if I woke up tomorrow and said I was a woman, I think me and you would both be like, what the fuck?
Speaker: Where did this come from?
Speaker: That's out of nowhere.
Speaker: But if you heard what I said, so gingers are 2% of the population.
Speaker: And me and you know quite a few gingers, especially me, because I pick up on that thing.
Speaker: For those that can't see me because you're listening to the podcast, I'm actually a ginger myself.
Speaker: But so 1.7% of people on Earth can be considered intersex.
Speaker: And 2% are ginger.
Speaker: And I have met hundreds of gingers in my lifetime.
Speaker: Like literally hundreds.
Speaker: There's...
Speaker: quite a few for 2% of the world being ginger, I feel like I've met quite a bunch of gingers.
Speaker: And putting that into perspective with intersex individuals being at 1.7%.
Speaker: That means and it's not something I could always tell because as I've been looking into the different causes with like the XY chromosomes turning off having a penis, but still having ovaries, the hormones being off, you're not you know, you're a male, but you're not getting enough
Speaker: testosterone.
Speaker: So you're more estrogen filled with your body, which leads to like the development of breasts and things of that nature, you know, like people that take steroids and then crash their testosterone later in life, they start inhibiting these characteristics.
Speaker: So what do you think, Matt, if 2% of the world is ginger, think about how many gingers, you know, now only point point 3% less of the world is has intersex characteristics
Speaker: Does that change your mind?
Speaker: And we're not even talking about like they declare transgender, but at birth, doctors are like, you know, along the lines of, oh, this child's penis or vagina doesn't look right.
Speaker: Or are they going through puberty and the doctor says, oh, you're not giving enough testosterone.
Speaker: You're not having enough estrogen.
Speaker: or your Y chromosome is turned off, or you have a double X chromosome and a Y chromosome.
Speaker: So now your chromosomes are crazy, crazy, which is something I actually still don't have enough information on because I, you know, there's just a lot of things to learn about within this topic, which I feel like a lot of people are uneducated on.
Speaker: And as we progress through this podcast, I'll keep on, you know, building from here.
Speaker: But what do you think about that?
Speaker: 1.7% of the world's population has intersex characteristics
Speaker: And 2% are ginger.
Speaker: And how many gingers do you know?
Speaker: What do you think about that, Matt?
Speaker: So you're saying 1.7 is intersex from birth?
Speaker: They have.
Speaker: Or from before 18?
Speaker: What's the stat?
Speaker: So 1.7% of the population have intersex traits.
Speaker: And that means either they have...
Speaker: those traits displayed at birth, either with their genitalia, or their hormones are off later in life, or their chromosomes are off.
Speaker: So 1.7% of the population just inhibit intersex traits.
Speaker: So there is something about them that is off from the normal male to female.
Speaker: What do you think about that?
Speaker: Does that include people who want to transition later in life?
Speaker: It doesn't matter.
Speaker: That doesn't take into effect anything.
Speaker: 1.7% of people in the world inhibit traits of intersex.
Speaker: Whether or not they want to transition doesn't mean anything.
Speaker: Just expand on that.
Speaker: I'm just trying to clarify the stats so I know what...
Speaker: what the facts say, because all I, all I really care about is facts, right?
Speaker: It doesn't, I don't really care about people's, I do care about feelings, but not nearly as much as facts.
Speaker: Um, our inter, and then we're saying trans is different than intersex, right?
Speaker: Because you went over that.
Speaker: Yeah, so transgender is including people like me and you wanting to switch genders.
Speaker: Intersex, we're talking about either that their hormones, gonads, or chromosomes are off.
Speaker: I know a lot of gingers, and so the fact that only slightly worse percent
Speaker: is intersex means that i probably know a bunch of people who are intersex that i just don't know that they're intersex because you probably can't tell yeah no that's and that's what i wanted to hit on right there i'm glad that you said those exact words because i also know a ton of gingers and that there's only that i mean overall when you're talking about eight billion that's might be a lot of people but regardless
Speaker: it's small enough to where we definitely know intersex individuals and we obviously we don't know there's not something they're going to share with us continue expanding on that but that's the point i was trying to make right there because that's pretty big i think that there's no i mean for things that are out of your control um
Speaker: I'm not one to judge on that, right?
Speaker: And I'm not – I don't really want to judge anyone.
Speaker: But when the whole transgenderism conversation usually comes up, it's about – it's usually about people who are choosing to do certain things.
Speaker: Intersex and – So let me stop you right there.
Speaker: Let me stop you right there.
Speaker: How do you know they're choosing that?
Speaker: You just said that you probably know intersex people in your life because there's very little difference statistically between gingers and intersex.
Speaker: You don't know what they are.
Speaker: You're assuming because you see them.
Speaker: And as I said, you have XY males that have ovaries on the inside and producing androgen.
Speaker: You have no idea what's going on in their bodies.
Speaker: So that right there, that...
Speaker: Just saying, do you see the ignorance in that statement, but continue expanding.
Speaker: But I had to call you out right there.
Speaker: I'm not quite sure what you were saying.
Speaker: So let me hit it again.
Speaker: So you said that.
Speaker: Usually when the topic of transgenderism comes up, it's people that are trying to be something they're not.
Speaker: How do you know they're trying to be something they're not when you can't even identify who is intersex in your life?
Speaker: You can identify gingers because we have red hair, but neither me or you can identify intersex because we don't have the training, nor do people go around with a sign on their head saying, hey,
Speaker: I have a penis and a vagina at the same time.
Speaker: I'm intersex.
Speaker: So how do you know that the people that are like making the transitions are in fact, um, we're going to say, I don't know, is cisgender.
Speaker: I think cisgender, cisgender rather than intersex.
Speaker: I see.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I understand what you're trying to get across.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I think the follow up to that would be based on facts, right?
Speaker: What percent of the population is considered transgender?
Speaker: Because I don't think transgender and intersex are the same thing.
Speaker: But like you said, if someone is intersex, they could be transgender as well.
Speaker: So I think it all depends on what percent of the population is transgender, right?
Speaker: Let's say 3.4%.
Speaker: of the population is transgender.
Speaker: They are choosing to be labeled as transgender because like you said, transgender is mostly psychological, right?
Speaker: If 3.4% of those people of our population are choosing to identify as transgender,
Speaker: At max, 1.7% of those people or 50% of the transgender people could be intersex.
Speaker: So that means at least 50% of the people that are transgender are choosing to be transgender, not because they were born intersex.
Speaker: That's more what I was referring to because from anecdotal evidence, I do not have, again, I do not have stats or research and I love to know it.
Speaker: If you do have, you can correct me.
Speaker: If 3.4% of the population is transgender, that means at least 50% of those people are choosing to be transgender and are not intersex.
Speaker: That's what I meant.
Speaker: So I do have that stat for you.
Speaker: I don't have it worldwide.
Speaker: Unfortunately, that's, you know,
Speaker: It's not – there's not something super easy to find.
Speaker: But in the United States, 1% of the population is transgender.
Speaker: And to put that in perspective, we're going to look at the amount of genders.
Speaker: What year is this?
Speaker: That seems – It's 2021.
Speaker: So in the midst of when all this was happening.
Speaker: I feel like that's outdated.
Speaker: I'm not even going to lie.
Speaker: Regardless, it's within the past two years.
Speaker: So I don't think it made a massive jump.
Speaker: I think you're just used to seeing social media, which puts it all up in your face.
Speaker: That is very impossible.
Speaker: We're going to look at the percentage of redheads in the United States.
Speaker: So in the United States, 6% of the population is redheaded.
Speaker: Approximately it's somewhere between two to 6% in the United States and worldwide is 2%.
Speaker: And worldwide, there are 1.7% of intersex individuals and only 1% of the United States is transgender in 2021.
Speaker: That being said, that means if you, if you use it to the amount of logic that you're saying,
Speaker: you could make a strong case that 100% of, like, obviously it's not true, but you could make the case that if 1% of the United States
Speaker: is transgender and 1.7 of the world is transgender and 2 of the world is ginger but two to six percent of the united states is ginger then that those stats mean that that and one percent could entirely be a hundred percent intersex individuals or that a vast majority probably are do you see the point i'm trying to make there
Speaker: I definitely agree with that point.
Speaker: I see the math.
Speaker: I cannot disagree with facts.
Speaker: That's what I'm here for.
Speaker: However, I would agree that from what we see over here not being in the United States, it's pushed a lot more on social media.
Speaker: However, I would really like to get
Speaker: closer data points because I also think that with how much it's been pushed in the last two years, I think there's probably a correlation and or causation of the amount we've pushed transgenderism to how many people are actually identifying as transgender.
Speaker: I think it is probably exponential within the last two years.
Speaker: I, I,
Speaker: I will try to get you some more updated data, but I don't see how it's going to be increased that much in two years.
Speaker: There's definitely, I would say the reason why, so one of the explanations for the rise in so much transgender, for trans rights is we're getting to a point in society where we can have these discussions because we're not out fighting for survival
Speaker: we're fighting each other, you know, we're kind of prospering as a nation.
Speaker: So we can kind of hammer down these more minute niche things.
Speaker: And I mean, at the beginning of this podcast, you didn't really even know what a hermaphrodite was.
Speaker: And now you might still not know what hermaphrodite was, but I have explained it to you.
Speaker: So you're being now, it is, you're being exposed to these new tidbits of information
Speaker: And these people, intersex individuals, they live in a world where it's meant for cisgender individuals, cisgender being guys like us.
Speaker: You know, we're cisgender males.
Speaker: At least as far as I know, you're a cisgender male.
Speaker: But regardless, those people...
Speaker: They are making a push because I guarantee you that there are not, you know, I don't know if it's the majority.
Speaker: I don't know how much, but there's definitely people within them that are struggling with their identity and it's coming to light, especially me and you can both get into sports.
Speaker: So now that we've gone over this, so I want to let you know.
Speaker: So there's this, we were talking about how hormones play a part in intersex individuals.
Speaker: So there's this, uh,
Speaker: There's this, I don't know what you want to call it.
Speaker: We're going to call it a disease because I don't know what else to call it, but it's AIS, androgen insensitivity syndrome.
Speaker: So it occurs when a biological male
Speaker: the production of androgen in that body, it's insensitive to it.
Speaker: So it doesn't process at the rate of which a normal male process it.
Speaker: So this individual with AIS has an X and a Y chromosome.
Speaker: They have, I believe they have, I want to say they have, oh yeah, they do.
Speaker: They have testicles and they have
Speaker: masculinizing hormones, because they're still producing androgen.
Speaker: So there's there's still, you know, they have manly things going on inside of them.
Speaker: But because of their insensitivity to the androgen, they actually have a female appearance.
Speaker: And there are times where
Speaker: The individual inflicted with AIS actually will appear to be just a regular female baby.
Speaker: She'll have a vagina.
Speaker: She'll come out, but she has this androgen insensitivity syndrome, which kind of doesn't allow...
Speaker: the and the the female the intersex female to truly be a male or truly be a woman and when they come out as female with ais they are usually raised as female because they look like a female and that that's just if they if they look like a female you know in our society we don't really know how to deal with it so they are uh
Speaker: They are raised as a female.
Speaker: So it came up.
Speaker: There's this world champion.
Speaker: She was a runner.
Speaker: Her name was Castor Semenya.
Speaker: She has AIS.
Speaker: So she looks like a woman.
Speaker: She has long hair.
Speaker: She has...
Speaker: for the most part, like a feminine face, but she has like male characteristics.
Speaker: You know, she kind of has a little bit of a broader brow.
Speaker: She definitely has much more muscle mass than other women.
Speaker: But she has a vagina and she has AIS.
Speaker: And so we're seeing things like this happen today with different athletes in different sports.
Speaker: So what do you think about this?
Speaker: I know that you'll have something to say about trans athletes.
Speaker: So she has a vagina.
Speaker: She probably has ovaries.
Speaker: She has breasts, but she has more muscle mass, a broader brow, and she's an intersex female.
Speaker: Do you think she's a male or a female?
Speaker: I think that these whole situations are just... I think, like you said, it's hard to assume, and...
Speaker: There is no assumption.
Speaker: This is public information.
Speaker: She suffers from AIS, and she's an intersex female.
Speaker: So what do you think?
Speaker: If they are intersex, I would lean towards letting them decide.
Speaker: And I'm okay with that.
Speaker: Look, look, look.
Speaker: If they have more testosterone or estrogen, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker: Yes, you did.
Speaker: You brought up intersex, right?
Speaker: But I think there's probably more nuances and more specific cases.
Speaker: Specifications?
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Yeah, I think that's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker: For intersex.
Speaker: What do you mean there's more specifications for intersex?
Speaker: Like based on percent of testosterone, I guess percent of man or woman you are, I think, in terms of having X fucking X big vagina.
Speaker: She has a vagina and she has breasts.
Speaker: But you got a lot of male testosterone.
Speaker: She actually has androgen insensitivity syndrome.
Speaker: So she doesn't really react well to testosterone, but more so I believe her penis just was never able to form because she doesn't react well to testosterone as a fetus.
Speaker: You're asking if she's a female?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Well, yeah.
Speaker: I'm asking what your thoughts are.
Speaker: She is a female.
Speaker: She's an intersex female.
Speaker: I think it's... I'm not saying it's... Being intersex is definitely not easy.
Speaker: Like, as you said, it's a cisgender world, and they're kind of living in it, right?
Speaker: And I'm not going to take anything away from how hard it is to be them, but I think the more they don't focus on that, the better off they'll be.
Speaker: So what do you mean the more that they don't focus on it?
Speaker: How should they not focus on it when somebody like you, one of your favorite things to talk about is all that's going on in the world of being transgender in the United States.
Speaker: It's all over social media.
Speaker: The Supreme Court is making jurisdictions on it.
Speaker: There's people out there that are saying, oh, a woman's a woman, a male's a male.
Speaker: And then she looks down and she has a vagina, but she's an intersex female.
Speaker: And we already went over the stats of genders in the United States to worldwide.
Speaker: And the amount of transgender people in 2021, when this was really popping off, it matches up with how many intersex individuals should be in the United States.
Speaker: I mean, for her specifically, obviously it's going to be hard.
Speaker: But if she can... I mean, you still got to try to do...
Speaker: a normal life, right?
Speaker: So you're saying a normal life.
Speaker: She is living a normal life.
Speaker: Intersex people are, it's not that they're not normal.
Speaker: It's just that you don't, you don't understand that they're a part of life.
Speaker: A part of life for all beings is that some people and some dogs and some rats and some probably, I don't know,
Speaker: other mammals come out intersex, but intersexuality is the same as it was for homosexuality when homosexuality was a big thing back in 2010, 2011, during like the early Obama administration.
Speaker: There's not a lot of information out there on intersex individuals and people are making all these claims and all these ideologies based on a subject that they don't know about and saying, oh, they should try and live a normal life.
Speaker: There's nothing not normal about them.
Speaker: They're here because they're born like that.
Speaker: That's normal.
Speaker: So are you saying that they have just as easy a life as I do?
Speaker: No, but I'm not saying that they're not normal.
Speaker: Nothing about how their life is.
Speaker: I'm saying that intersex individuals are a part of life.
Speaker: I'm talking about their day-to-day life.
Speaker: Obviously...
Speaker: They are like, yes, that happens.
Speaker: But I'm saying if people just keep talking about it and people just keep seeing them in that light, they have to try and ignore that.
Speaker: In what light are you talking about?
Speaker: As talking about them.
Speaker: If people just keep talking about them,
Speaker: They're not talking about them.
Speaker: They're talking about what they think are.
Speaker: When I asked you what a transgender person was at the beginning of this episode, you said it was somebody that was trying to be something they're not.
Speaker: But now what about those transgender people that are intersex and they're not really male or female?
Speaker: They're kind of their own thing, but they kind of still have to work into a cisgender world.
Speaker: Now it's it's not it's not people talking about them.
Speaker: It's people talking about something that they don't know about, that they're not willing to get educated about.
Speaker: They just keep on making claims without ever actually trying to learn even what sex and gender means.
Speaker: Cause we, if, and it is get down to it.
Speaker: No, not everybody has to accept that gender has changed as a word.
Speaker: And that's kind of where, whether or not you're progressive or conservative in that light comes in.
Speaker: But I'm a, you know,
Speaker: I'm a centrist.
Speaker: I'm not really progressive or conservative.
Speaker: I kind of just pick and choose how I like because I think that's the best way to go about it.
Speaker: But I know that there's going to be a lot of people that just see gender as a synonym for sex.
Speaker: But because society has moved on from that thought, there are these people in society that don't fall into these categories that are a part of life.
Speaker: And the information on them is being brought to the forefront of society.
Speaker: And for me, my hope is like five to 10 years from now, I hope being intersex is something that's considered normal because I'm a ginger and at 2% of the world, people just accept us.
Speaker: Yeah, I get ginger jokes, but I mean, it's a light jest.
Speaker: You know, I don't think anybody's ever actually maliciously ever said anything to me about being ginger.
Speaker: And at 1.7% of intersex individuals that, you know, not all of them will go through the whatever transgenderism they usually use.
Speaker: I think usually it sounds like whatever they're raised at is how they kind of continue going about life.
Speaker: But I want that.
Speaker: I want it to be normalized because it's a normal part of life.
Speaker: I'm not quite sure where you want me to lead off after that.
Speaker: I think you,
Speaker: You went on a good tangent there.
Speaker: I just want your thoughts.
Speaker: Do you have nothing to say on it?
Speaker: No, I don't really think I have more to add to that.
Speaker: After what you said, I think, yeah, that sounds about... So then expand.
Speaker: So what do you think about how at the beginning of the show you said that transgender people are being something that they're not, that they're trying to be something they're not?
Speaker: When...
Speaker: I hear the word transgender, that's what I think of.
Speaker: As we use the statistics, the statistics from 2021 seem to state that most people that are transgender have a high probability of being intersex.
Speaker: which is them not necessarily choosing to be something they're not.
Speaker: That's just them being different than the rest of society, which is not a good or bad thing.
Speaker: It's just a fact.
Speaker: When I hear the term transgender, and I think when you ask probably like 75% of the population, if you hear someone say transgender, they are thinking about people who are choosing to transition.
Speaker: That's all I was getting at.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So now when I want to hit on something else that we talk about quite often, what is something that you have over 75% of the population?
Speaker: I'm in a first world country.
Speaker: So usually, you know, I didn't expect you to actually get that.
Speaker: Maybe I should have just said it.
Speaker: But, you know, something that we talk about is that we see that other people aren't critical thinkers for the most part.
Speaker: And especially you, you're a self-proclaimed critical thinker.
Speaker: And so 75% of people that hear transgender, what do you think they're critical thinkers?
Speaker: Do you think they, how, what percent of those 75% do you think have heard the term intersex before?
Speaker: How many of, so you, you identified that there's an X and a Y chromosome.
Speaker: You, you identified that's part of the process of which one becomes a biological male or female of the 75% that is on the internet raving about transgenderism.
Speaker: What percent of them do you think actually have any semblance of a clue into what they're talking about?
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: I have no idea that the numbers on that and I'm not going to.
Speaker: I'm just asking your opinion.
Speaker: Just just state your opinion here this entire time.
Speaker: I'm never asking you to state a fact.
Speaker: I just want to hear what your thoughts are.
Speaker: Well, it just seems like you are attacking my opinion.
Speaker: I'm not attacking you.
Speaker: I'm asking you a question.
Speaker: What percent of those 75% of people do you think are critical thinkers?
Speaker: It seems like you're going to use what I say and then bring it back and then make what I said law again like we did the last time.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Well, then explain yourself.
Speaker: What did you mean by it?
Speaker: Because it sounded like you said 75% of people that are asked what is a transgender person are going to say it's somebody transitioning into something they're not.
Speaker: Most people generalize, right?
Speaker: If I say what color is the sky, what's the generalization that you could make?
Speaker: Yeah, I would say blue.
Speaker: Is the sky always blue 100% of the time?
Speaker: Nope, it's not.
Speaker: That's all I'm trying to get at, right?
Speaker: Is when I say transgender, most people will think of people choosing to do that.
Speaker: Does that mean that they know what it is and every possible outcome?
Speaker: I don't know every possible outcome the sky could be.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: The sky could be red sometimes.
Speaker: I wouldn't know because I'm not
Speaker: quote unquote informed.
Speaker: But unless you can make generalizations, I'm not sure how you're supposed to have a conversation on anything because no one truly knows everything.
Speaker: That's why you, so the way that you have a conversation is you get informed on it.
Speaker: You go out like I did.
Speaker: No one will ever be completely informed.
Speaker: No, but it's how you have a more informed conversation.
Speaker: Yes, you have a more informed conversation.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: You can have a more informed conversation and you could have a more informed outlook on what it is that you're saying about how society is going to change in regards to these topics.
Speaker: Because if you think that we're just, well, not we're, if you think people are just out there, you know, transitioning because, oh, I want to be a woman.
Speaker: It makes life easier.
Speaker: But really that is a individual that looks like a man, but doesn't even have a fucking penis and is walking around with a vagina or they lack testosterone and are like have,
Speaker: you know, quote unquote pecs, but really there are more boobs because they don't have the testosterone to really build a chest like that.
Speaker: It just, it makes it different.
Speaker: And I'm not, I'm not attacking you at all here.
Speaker: What I'm doing is I'm spreading awareness to this topic to try and better inform you and the audience
Speaker: on what it is to be transgender and what intersexes, because, you know, I don't even, I don't even think you said you heard what intersexes.
Speaker: So it's just, it's going to be informative.
Speaker: It's not attacking at all.
Speaker: I just want a more well-informed population of the world into topics like this so that people stop so much combativeness towards this.
Speaker: And there's, you know, until they have better,
Speaker: thoughts because you can't make good thoughts on a topic if you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker: And I think that's fair to say, right?
Speaker: Like you can have the quick conversation, but if I'm talking about a rocket ship, if I'm talking about sending a satellite into space and I don't know anything about that, it kind of defeats everything I'm saying, right?
Speaker: I mean, that makes sense.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's kind of, that's what I'm hitting on.
Speaker: Well, that's what I was kind of hitting on all of today.
Speaker: That's why I keep on wanting to hit on that.
Speaker: I mean, does that sound like what I told you my very first paper about in the sexuality class was making sure people are informed and know what they're talking about before they start asking questions or making claims?
Speaker: It does.
Speaker: It just, it seems like you're kind of throwing...
Speaker: a softball with a wire attached to it so that as soon as they're about to swing, they're going to pull it back because they aren't informed.
Speaker: And so unless you just teach everybody everything before you ask them a question, I'm not sure how they can be fully informed.
Speaker: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker: There's nothing wrong with being wrong.
Speaker: And you're not even it's not even wrong when you think about it.
Speaker: You just it's just you don't have all the facts.
Speaker: There's nothing that's saying anything that I'm saying right now is right.
Speaker: I'm just saying something from my point of view.
Speaker: I'm putting together fact like taking the facts and putting connections together from my point of view.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm asking you your opinion and then I'm going to say what I'm saying to you because that's what my thoughts are on this topic.
Speaker: It doesn't mean that you're wrong.
Speaker: It doesn't mean I'm right.
Speaker: If you agree with me, then your mind got changed and look, oh my gosh, your mind was changed.
Speaker: If you disagree with me, you can say something against it and we'll continue having a conversation about that.
Speaker: But I mean, if if you if somebody is just going to get their feelings hurt whenever somebody brings something forward to them that they've never heard before, that's how you stay stupid.
Speaker: And that's what's that's one of the most dangerous things in society.
Speaker: That's why I think it needs to be have these conversations brought forward, because if you just sit in your hole where you're comfortable, you're not doing anything and you're just staying stagnant, which is disgusting.
Speaker: Alrighty.
Speaker: I think from the sound of it, that's all we got today, but we'll get back at it next episode.
Speaker: Matt, thank you for your participation in today's discussion.
Speaker: I'm sorry if you got your feelings hurt.
Speaker: I hope in the future you can realize that this is just what it is when you just get informed.
Speaker: And this is what society needs to get more of so that our society can take
Speaker: steps in any direction.
Speaker: It doesn't have to necessarily be the right direction because we're going to go wherever the majority takes us.
Speaker: And I just want the majority to know where they're taking us, which I think is the most important part.
Speaker: No, I was just a little confused about the direction of it.
Speaker: I'll have to listen back to it.
Speaker: It just seemed like when I said my opinion, it just kind of
Speaker: Did you want me to agree with everything you were saying?
Speaker: I'm not saying that.
Speaker: I didn't say that.
Speaker: So what are you saying with that?
Speaker: I'm disregarding your opinion.
Speaker: I'm still explaining the full thought process.
Speaker: I'll be listening back to it just so we can figure out how we can
Speaker: move forward when you bring up a topic, I say my opinion, and then you bring out facts.
Speaker: Um, I'm, that makes sense.
Speaker: It's just, it kind of, from what you said towards the end where you're like, Oh, people shouldn't really, it seemed like you said people shouldn't say anything without being informed.
Speaker: I'm not sure how any, like,
Speaker: It seems like it defeats the purpose of answering the opinion question because no one is fully informed.
Speaker: And you're right.
Speaker: And that's what I want.
Speaker: I want you to make uninformed opinions.
Speaker: And then I want to see how if your opinions change or if you have different ideas when I start giving you facts from my point of view.
Speaker: Because mine and your brains are not the same.
Speaker: So when I'm going out and I'm picking up facts for these topics and I'm coming to my conclusions,
Speaker: and you want to come into these conversations dry, it gives me a perfect opportunity to bounce an idea off of... Sometimes I might have had the same exact ideas of you.
Speaker: Before, probably like six... I mean, I kind of knew what an intersex person was, but for most of my life, I thought transgenderism was the exact same thing as you.
Speaker: I wasn't wrong.
Speaker: I was just uninformed.
Speaker: I was ignorant, which is not a bad thing.
Speaker: It just means that I never did the research on it because why would I?
Speaker: And now I'm getting to a point in my life where these are things that are coming up in my day to day.
Speaker: And I'm using this podcast as a voice to spread information to the universe, because that's what I believe in is getting the word out.
Speaker: And as I said, not very first thing, I think society needs to be informed on these situations to come to a valuable conclusion and know where that where we're taking our country.
Speaker: I think it's great that
Speaker: You're coming in uninformed.
Speaker: It's all right if you think you're wrong.
Speaker: It just sounds like you think I'm attacking you and I don't know where that's coming from because all I'm doing is giving you my point of view with the facts that I made
Speaker: and I'm showing you how I'm looking at it.
Speaker: Yeah, I definitely am debating you because I'm giving you my personal beliefs depending on what you're saying, but that doesn't necessarily mean you gotta get butt hurt.
Speaker: That means you can tell me what your true thoughts are, or you can say, hey, I never thought about it like that.
Speaker: That might be cool.
Speaker: That might, well, not cool, but that might be true.
Speaker: You see what I'm saying here?
Speaker: Well, and I think,
Speaker: I don't remember the exact example, but I had said something, an opinion, and then you had said something, and then I said, if that percent means this, then I agree, and then it sounded like you said, well, what you originally said is incorrect, and I thought that was pretty straightforward.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm going to bring it back.
Speaker: So multiple times throughout the podcast, I went back to what your first
Speaker: answer was to what a transgender person was because that's a pretty promise that's but it's before you had any information which is what most of the population is at so i want to bring it to the attention of the podcast i want to keep reminding people not necessarily that i'm not saying you're freaking stupid i'm not saying anything i'm just bringing it to the attention that before you have the facts you have you come to different assumptions than
Speaker: Someone like me, because if I was in Europe, if me and you switch positions, I would probably say the exact same thing as you.
Speaker: I'm going to keep I am going to bring up other things you say because I want to make a critical thinking, a critical thinker out of you.
Speaker: I want to make sure that, you know, think that the thoughts are actually moving and that information is being processed, because if you're not doing that, then you can't really help me in a lot of areas in my life or my future.
Speaker: Because you'd kind of from, from the conversations we've had in the past.
Speaker: if you can't really critically think, then where are you going to go in life?
Speaker: So I want to just probe you and I want to make sure that me and you are having meaningful dialogues about more than just, yo, women are going to clubs and getting fucked by tons of dudes and now their societal value is worth zero, which is something we'll get to eventually.
Speaker: But, you know, I want to talk, I want to have more, I like stimulating conversations, not something that just, you know,
Speaker: sounds like something that came off of an Andrew Tate podcast.
Speaker: You know, my brand has to be different, and this is my brand because this is who I am.
Speaker: I'm not a top G. I'm an A.V.
Speaker: Stitt.
Speaker: No, I think we're still trying to figure out, or I'm, I'm definitely still trying to figure out, um, how, like the direction of the podcast.
Speaker: And it's definitely a learning experience.
Speaker: And I'm, I'm not, I didn't, if you're stagnant, you're dead.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I don't know if you said, I think you might've said that, but if you, if you're not, if you're not evolving, then you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: but throughout the conversation and as you explained right there, answer my question in terms of bringing up the original opinion.
Speaker: Um, I, it just, to me, it didn't seem necessary as we were growing the conversation further, but if, if that is how we can, um,
Speaker: revisit the original statements.
Speaker: I think that makes sense.
Speaker: It just, it didn't, it seemed weird.
Speaker: What pushes you the wrong way about me bringing up things that you said earlier in the podcast?
Speaker: Because I know back in the day when I would do that, you would just say, oh, I never said that.
Speaker: Okay, that was a little combative on me.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: But answer that.
Speaker: Why did that push you the wrong way when I brought it up?
Speaker: That made me laugh a little bit, and I definitely agree with that.
Speaker: I think we've said that.
Speaker: We've had a couple times where we're like, oh, I don't know who said that.
Speaker: I'm guilty of it too.
Speaker: I'm guilty of it as well.
Speaker: I just got done gaslighting you over a golf club this weekend.
Speaker: And it's, hey, I'll do the same thing.
Speaker: That's the story for the sports pod.
Speaker: Yeah, we'll get on that on the sports pod.
Speaker: But answer that question for me.
Speaker: Why did it rub you the wrong way?
Speaker: Why did it rub you the wrong way when I brought up something from earlier in the episode?
Speaker: I'd have to re-listen to it.
Speaker: I can't remember what.
Speaker: It just – we were going a good, different way, and then it just seemed like we were –
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: It just seemed like we're going back to a false thought and I didn't know why.
Speaker: I was just kind of confused.
Speaker: What do you mean by false thought?
Speaker: Like, I'm a fact guy.
Speaker: I like the facts.
Speaker: Yeah, and we've established that nobody can be fully informed.
Speaker: Correct.
Speaker: Say it again.
Speaker: We've established that nobody could ever be fully informed.
Speaker: Correct.
Speaker: I'm not even fully informed on everything I talked about.
Speaker: I just try to display it in the best as I could from what I had because I think it's valuable information to pass on.
Speaker: Continue.
Speaker: And so I'll try and explain from my point of view.
Speaker: Once I get facts that generate a certain...
Speaker: opinion, right?
Speaker: So like, like, like you said, I could think the ginger population is 40%.
Speaker: But then if you tell me that the ginger population is 2%, I now have more up to the information.
Speaker: And so now I can evaluate based on that.
Speaker: And so if my original thought was
Speaker: most people that are transgenders are not intersex, then you give me data saying that there's a good chance that most transgenders are intersex, then that evolves the equation and
Speaker: So you see, when I do that, though, I'm not attacking you.
Speaker: I'm trying to highlight.
Speaker: This is what I want to highlight.
Speaker: This is what I want you to say when I bring that up.
Speaker: What you're saying right now is that you're learning and you're coming to different conclusions than which you originally had, which is what, you know, that's like...
Speaker: That means that you're not stupid.
Speaker: It means that you can think.
Speaker: It means that you can learn.
Speaker: It means that you can process information.
Speaker: Now, does it mean that you're coming to the right conclusions?
Speaker: No, because somebody can get on this podcast and start debating me on everything I just said.
Speaker: And now I look like I have no idea what I'm talking about because I really don't.
Speaker: And I would say, oh, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker: And I can expand on.
Speaker: on that from there.
Speaker: It's not something I wouldn't be like, oh, fuck this guy.
Speaker: You just, you just put facts and now my facts are useless.
Speaker: No, if he gives me new information, it's a good thing because now I'm a more informed individual.
Speaker: I didn't just get, I didn't just get, I don't know, roasted or whatever.
Speaker: I just, I just got told more information and now I'm more up to date.
Speaker: Like you said, I just don't understand why that pushed you the wrong way.
Speaker: And I'll listen back to it, and we'll have some dialect in terms of trying to figure out what it was, but it's just...
Speaker: It seemed to just bring up the incorrect facts.
Speaker: And I just, it didn't seem necessary at the time.
Speaker: And it's going to be super necessary because like I said, I want to make sure people are informed.
Speaker: And when you said 70, I'm going to do it right now.
Speaker: When you said 70% of, or 75% of people that when you ask them what being transgender is, they're going to say it's somebody being something or not.
Speaker: Did you state that you don't think that anymore?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I'm not saying that this is what you still believe.
Speaker: What I'm saying is,
Speaker: is that that's probably the same exact thought that those 70% of people would have because they didn't have the facts.
Speaker: And if they are given this information, even if it came from this podcast, now they're going to be more informed.
Speaker: And that's a good thing at the end of the day, is it not?
Speaker: Because to me, that sounds like pretty good.
Speaker: Do you think I'd be kind of just, do you think that that'd be me shitting on them if I just gave them information that I think is probably valuable into this conversation?
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: No, and I'm not... Does that connect with anything that you were thinking?
Speaker: Because to me, it sounds like you think I'm shitting on you.
Speaker: In a way, it seems like... And I'll have to... Again, I gotta listen to what was said and the context of it.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: It seems like you're trying to pitch me a strike, but you're throwing the ball 20 feet to the left.
Speaker: And so what I mean by that is like...
Speaker: No, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker: It seemed like you were trying to set me up.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: That's exactly what I did.
Speaker: It wasn't malicious.
Speaker: It wasn't a malicious setup.
Speaker: I was trying to inform you.
Speaker: When I asked you what's the definition of transgender, I didn't even know.
Speaker: When I asked you what the definition of sex was, do you think I really expected you to verbatim tell me what the Marion Webster dictionary or gender or that gender used to mean more gender role and now it's gender identity?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Do I think you're going to know what hormones, gonads, or chromosomes had to do with sex or what freaking androgen insensitivity syndrome was?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I wanted to get your thoughts before I could explain them to you so that when I did –
Speaker: I could see how they changed, but you never really explained how they changed.
Speaker: You just kind of got pissed that you got that.
Speaker: Yeah, I set you up and you just got pissed about it instead of having a conversation on to what these new facts could kind of lead to rather than.
Speaker: You know, throwing the curveball, we just focused, we just have different mindsets, whereas.
Speaker: If somebody did that to me, I would say, oh, that's cool information.
Speaker: That's good information.
Speaker: I would explain how my thought process changed.
Speaker: But for you, you just thought I was shitting on you.
Speaker: Like I said, you still haven't even really said that, but that's just what I'm pulling away from it.
Speaker: I think that's relatively accurate.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think that's just the growing of the podcast and figuring out
Speaker: as well as myself figuring out how the podcast is going to run.
Speaker: And yeah, so there's a, there's definitely, this, this is going to be how most of it is going to be running this.
Speaker: I like this format a lot.
Speaker: This works for how I'm going to try and sell it.
Speaker: This is the kind of dialect that I want to get to the individuals that I want listening to the podcast, especially in the early stages when I'm trying to, you know, throw my ideologies on paper out there and,
Speaker: informed.
Speaker: I want people that want to be informed.
Speaker: I don't want people that listen to this and think this guy's a jackass.
Speaker: He's telling me things that I don't agree with.
Speaker: I want them to be like, hey, I might not agree with this, but it changes my mind.
Speaker: Or, hey, I agree with this and my mind has been changed.
Speaker: Or I want them, if they are, like, fuck you.
Speaker: I just disagree with you.
Speaker: I want them to tell me why they disagree with me.
Speaker: so that they can try and change my mind.
Speaker: It's not helping me at all if they're not giving me feedback in any way or form.
Speaker: I don't need the feedback.
Speaker: That's not what this is for.
Speaker: But what I need is that I need the country to be better informed so that when we, I don't know, 10 years from now, people are making better decisions regarding what being trans is and when it goes to their state jurisdiction on what they're voting on and what it means.
Speaker: Because lots of them are not going to care, but
Speaker: There are people out there that will care and it would be cool to see how it changes.
Speaker: That's the route it's going to go.
Speaker: So if you want, I can start giving you a heads up.
Speaker: I could have done that today.
Speaker: I kind of did a little bit, not entirely, but I gave you a little bit and then I gave you the rundown during the audio check.
Speaker: But in the future, if you want more of a heads up so that you can do some research, I highly doubt you will, but I can do that.
Speaker: That is an option.
Speaker: Or there's also the option if you don't want to be involved in conversations like this, I could kind of just run them myself.
Speaker: and do it more just kind of monologue format.
Speaker: But I like having you on here and it was good to get your perspective to show the perspective of what somebody that didn't have the information I had, as well as me being able to give it to you.
Speaker: And then, you know, like I said, I wanted to see how it changed, but that's, we didn't really get that at least this time around.
Speaker: Anyways, we're going to wrap up there.
Speaker: That was a good one.
Speaker: This will be Stellar Pod, Episode 5, Stellar Talk, Episode 2.
Speaker: We'll get back at it.
Speaker: Have a stellar rest of your day, morning, night, evening, regardless.
Speaker: We are out.
