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Free Weekly Episode - Juve-Salernitana VAR Scandal, Raspadori Lifts Napoli, Suning Selling Inter Rumors, & Much More (Ep. 255)
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From VAR scandal in Juventus draw with Salernitana, why Thomas Tuchel should replace Max Allegri, Giacomo Raspadori saving Napoli, Suning selling Inter rumors to AC Milan beating Sampdoria amid controversy, Carlo, Nima and John break down an absolutely mad weekend in the Serie A.
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Introduction & Promotions
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast with John Solano, Carlo Garganese and Nima Tuvali.
00:00:25
Speaker
All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode that will not be even remotely controversial. The Italian football podcast. Thank goodness today.
00:00:36
Speaker
No conversation of VAR. We won't have to discuss the futures of any of the managers of the big clubs. Everything is pretty straightforward today. We won't have to talk about- Nothing controversial. Yeah, no, no, no, no. No sendings off that weren't, that were a bit controversial.
00:01:00
Speaker
No Federico Fancio, potentially a power bombing, one quaternado from the top rope. Nothing at all took place. That was controversial. So this should be extremely straightforward.
00:01:15
Speaker
Very quickly, before we get into everything, today's episode, again, obviously free. If you would like to become a patron of the Italian football podcast, you can go to patreon.com slash T-I-F-P, $2.99 per month, excluding VAT. You can get everything, our questions episode, obviously this episode, Thursday episode, our interview episodes, written stuff.
00:01:41
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You get it all. So again, patreon.com slash T I F P. Now let's get started with this. Before we do that, also, if you can, if you, if you can give us a five star rating on Spotify, iOS. Oh yeah, we have. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot the groveling part. Please, please leave us good reviews. Um,
00:02:02
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Obviously just the general tone of reviews because I don't know. And if you don't like Nimr, just give us a five star just for me. Yeah, if you're going to title tale, don't do it. But you know, but also, yeah, YouTube, we're on YouTube.
00:02:23
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Yeah, we're on all that. We're on Instagram, all that stuff. But if you're listening to this on Spotify, iTunes, whatever, Google Podcasting, we'd really appreciate a subscribe. Yeah, I made the mistake of installing all of the podcast platforms. I didn't even know half of these exist. Alarming to some of you that go beyond like the fifth choice. I don't know. I don't know what's going on there. I've checked the stats most different Spotify and iTunes and Google. Correct. Correct. We'll stick to those three.
00:02:50
Speaker
Well, who knows? I mean, if one of these meddling ones at the bottom wants to give us an excuse, I mean, hey, hey, we will move to wherever. We'll do live shows from Kazakhstan.
Juventus & VAR Controversies
00:03:00
Speaker
We're fine with that. OK, let's go. I'm trying. I'm trying my best to avoid having to get into this stuff because we know where this is headed at the very top. And you all know it's starting with the event. The event is at the top. That's for sure.
00:03:14
Speaker
Oh, okay. Hold on. That's the perfect transition. I mean, if we, instead of a whoosh sound, we're just going to use that. I'm going to edit out that sound. All right. Here we go. Here we go.
00:03:33
Speaker
Okay, well, we can start with, you know, there's ways when you're studying history, when we describe the prehistoric eras, you know, how you had like the Mesozoic, you had all of these things to describe when certain dinosaurs roamed the earth. Well, apparently, you know how they say, like, crocodiles are descendants of the dinosaur. Apparently, Max Allegri has also
00:04:03
Speaker
transcended from dinosaurs as well, which I'm sure Carlo cannot wait to get into. But before we get into all of the Allegri stuff,
00:04:12
Speaker
Listen, we get into VAR a lot here, if you're new. We talk a little bit about refereeing VAR only because, I don't know if you know this, but in Serie A, there's just a tad bit of a controversial relationship between some clubs and referees. Not the one we're going to talk about, obviously, you've had it.
00:04:35
Speaker
Nothing's ever happened there, but in all seriousness, we pine against VAR a lot on here. And basically every critic against VAR, last night in UVA in Torino, that was your nirvana. Like if you just wanted a reason to get rid of VAR or just banish referees all to Mars,
00:05:01
Speaker
You put what happened yesterday in the final 15 minutes on loop, and you never allow it to exit people's minds. So just a quick recap, okay? The final what, 10 minutes? Even though it took like 10 minutes in playing time, but really 45 minutes in actual time? Well, injury time. The injury time was enough.
00:05:22
Speaker
I mean, injury. They have to come up with a new name because that is not replacing injuries. That is replacing added time. Yeah, we do call it added time now. It should also be, I don't know.
00:05:38
Speaker
brain lapse time from I don't know anything. So just a quick recap. So let me let me make sure I have it because it is it is quite an extensive list. I mean, this looks like I don't know. This looks like number of songs I've had written about me from Marco Violi or something, or I should say number of a number of hits written by my hits.
00:06:01
Speaker
Okay, so let's go down the list. Let's relive all of the wonderful action just in case you weren't upset enough. Okay, so we have Bonucci. Okay, so he misses from the spot, scores from a rebound, two to two. We have Arik Milik. Let me make sure I'm getting this right. He puts U of A ahead. They go up three to two. He subsequently celebrates by removing his shirt.
00:06:31
Speaker
somehow forgetting that like eight minutes prior to that, he had to be booked. So he removes his shirt for celebrating. He gets sent off.
00:06:43
Speaker
Just after that, VAR review, after already having kicked Mirek in the right testicle, now goes to the left and says, oh, by the way, that goal rolled off. Which is like, this is the thing. It's put in the Louvre. It's genuinely astonishing. So his goal gets rolled off.
00:07:08
Speaker
And then we have, I haven't watched WWE in some time, but like Royal Rumble breakouts. We have Allegri going mad on the sidelines. We have Fancio Quadrado. I don't know the weight classes.
00:07:25
Speaker
I just can't imagine that Quadraro goes past like Fazio's nipples. Featherweight, featherweight, heavy weight. I mean, Fazio's as tall as I am, so I don't know. I have a very difficult time Quadraro would have had a good goal of this. So they have a bit of a tussle and they're sent off. So just to do the math, that's one, two, three, four sending offs and it was technically
00:07:53
Speaker
five minutes of uh it was 95th minute and the 99th minute so we've had basically one setting off per minute in the final four minutes of the match it's fantastic
00:08:05
Speaker
So I don't even know where to start. Well, I mean, I think we've got to talk about in the sending cards. Look, the rules are what they are. You can't take your shirt off. You get a booking. He got a second yellow. That's nothing straightforward to talk about. And also, if you're going to have if you're going to start fighting on the sidelines and insulting and shouting, you're going to get sent off. But none of that is controversial. But the issue is this. He got his first booking. What are you doing? Yeah, but that's dumb. Whatever. His stupidity is not a controversy. That's whatever. That's between him and
00:08:34
Speaker
You know, they got to sort that out themselves. But the thing is, this is the thing. And this is what I've been thinking a lot about this since yesterday. The image that they showed that the Seria who produces, you know, these this is the fun part. Yes, that the image they show is Bonucci being offside and he is offside and he is impacting play. But here's the thing that is weird. Can they have us further down? This happened in Lazio Spezia as well when Lazio scored an offside goal last season, which was
00:09:04
Speaker
at least two meters offside, and they approved it. And this is where I think it's, this is a technical problem, clearly. And this is my, what I think it is. I think that the VAR doesn't, like the technology doesn't give the images to the referee, to the referee sitting in the VAR room, because there's not even a debate. The goal is so good. I mean, there's no debate.
00:09:32
Speaker
It's a goal. It's a good goal. Can they have us further down? Bonucci is not offside, so he's not impacting play from an offside position. The goal is good. I mean, this is utterly bizarre. And it's the second time it's happened in the Serie A now, and everyone has seen it. And I don't think that the referees are missing this on purpose. I think it's a technology issue here, because they don't even I don't even think they've got the right images in the barroom. Otherwise,
00:09:59
Speaker
If they missed it, if it was just the human error and the handwriting images, then none of them should ever work again. The only explanation is that the zone also does the VAR feed. That's the only acceptable explanation. Well, exactly. I mean, it's bizarre. It's onside. It's not even...
00:10:15
Speaker
It's on site. What are we just like? I don't understand how you can have technology How can sky have that that that image? That's what I mean. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. I think it's a technology issue I think it's a it's clearly that the technology they use because it has missed that there's a player there I think this is this got to be a tech technical issue what that technical issue is I don't know because I didn't do the software, but I think it's a technical issue because
00:10:45
Speaker
When you look at it, because he's so far away from the situation, I think they've been fed the wrong image. And I think given that this is happening to Juve, if it had happened to Inter, no one would give a shit and they would just continue. But if that's happened to Juve, something will happen. Oh, everyone knows it. Google 2006 cultural policy.
00:11:11
Speaker
It's not the biggest. It's not the biggest. It's not the biggest. It's not the biggest. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not.
00:11:20
Speaker
Only you, if only you as a human, didn't cost how much did it cost in that game? When they're not the victims. Did it cost them two points in that game in the last kick of the game? No, it didn't. So this is the biggest. They won the game because of that. They won the game because of that. But they've lost. You guys have lost two points because of this game, because of this. And they won.
00:11:38
Speaker
And they want to, and Spezia lost two points or whatever it was because of that decision. Let's not spin this about Juventus. Let's just look
VAR: Technology or Human Error?
00:11:47
Speaker
at this specifically. No, because it is about you. No, this is the thing. Something's going to happen. Actually, if you actually look at the table of whose VAR decisions, the most that have gone up, Sky actually published it today, it's on Switzer Everywhere, Juventus are actually bottom of the table. So it's not, the history of VAR isn't in favour of Juventus. It's not supposed to be in favour of Juventus. It's supposed to be in favour of the rules.
00:12:07
Speaker
And what I'm saying is, given that Juventus are powerful, and your denials of that fact that Juvan and Yelly family are powerful, and literally- Hasn't shown that in the VAR, hasn't shown that in since VAR started, because you've entered the bottom of the table, so that's probably false. They can be bottom of the VAR, I don't care about that. It's probably false. No, it's not, it's not, it's not probably.
00:12:45
Speaker
You're not letting me finish you're not letting me finish because
00:12:49
Speaker
because this is you over because this is you over something will happen is what I was going to say because this is the Aniele family something will happen and heads will roll it's as simple as that it's as simple as that and your denial and that wouldn't happen and that wouldn't happen if it happened to anyone else of course not wouldn't happen to you if it was a bottom of the VAR table that's completely subjective and the fact that the VAR makes mistakes
00:13:15
Speaker
is as a problem that should be addressed. We don't hand out decisions on the VAR to be nice to people. The VAR is there to enforce the rules. If they fail, they must do better. That's what I've been consistently saying since the day I was born, in every issue, political, football, everything. You're trying to make it sound like you are this poor people. No, you are oppressed.
00:13:42
Speaker
Listen, I'm happy this guy was disallowed. So I've got nothing, I'm not here with any agenda like you are. Look, you have an agenda. You literally have an agenda. No, you have an agenda. No, you have an agenda. No, I'm not. I'm pointing the truth. Do you come here and start to say that talking about Juventus' power? Well, look at this decision. They have a power.
00:13:59
Speaker
They have a power. They have power. For the umpteenth time, for the umpteenth time, because, because, because the image did not, because the technology isn't working and it's happened to space. It's not working now. That's, that's, that's not working now, isn't it?
00:14:15
Speaker
Of course it's not working. No, I forgot. And the 26 cameras on Diana's, and the 26 cameras when Diana died in that tunnel weren't working. And that was just the technology wasn't working either. Literally the biggest straw man in the history of football. Yeah. No relevant. No relevant. The biggest straw.
00:14:36
Speaker
Oh, no, we've brought. I love how this, I love how the biggest disgrace and VAR history, the biggest scandal and robbery, even Fabio Caresa said it on Skype, who's been totally impartial, says it. And this becomes about Juventus being all powerful. When they have the biggest robbery go against them, it suddenly becomes about Juventus being powerful. I mean, if there's ever an example of them not being powerful, it's this decision last night. So, you know, it's just
00:15:09
Speaker
We'll stop this from being a debate show. This was fantastic. But in all seriousness, OK, so we know how NEMA feels. Carlo, I think we know all I said was all I said was that something will happen now because Juventus are powerful. Juventus and the Aniennalee family are powerful in Italian football and something will happen. OK, OK. This means that this is an improvement in Italian football. But in all seriousness here,
00:15:29
Speaker
It's incredible. But anyway, we'll go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
00:15:35
Speaker
I'll tell you what will happen. Nothing will happen because VAR was never ever going to change anything in football and people that thought it was with them because mistakes happen and that's just how it is. It's important to get to the bottom
00:15:51
Speaker
of why it's important to get to the bottom of why this mistake was made. I personally think that it's got to do with that there's a technical glitch because this has happened before and the VAR was supposed to guarantee that offside decisions were because it's an absolute rule either it's offside or not. I don't think they've got the images. If it's a technical issue and they haven't gotten the images
00:16:14
Speaker
then the VAR, they need to work on the technical side of it. However, if they have been given that, and it's a human error, every single person in the VAR room should not work ever again. Simple as that. Same as the people, same as the Spezia Lazio game where they missed the most glaring offside ever. Look, it shouldn't be allowed. Some mistakes are so fundamentally incompetent and unforgivable, this is one of them. And that's what I'm saying.
00:16:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think my biggest issue here is I'm sure all of you remember into the buildup into the season. We kept hearing from Roki all summer. We're going to improve. VAR, we understand where mistakes were made, so on and so on and so on. The usual crap that we heard when there wasn't VAR. Now you have VAR, and I have to tell you,
00:17:09
Speaker
It seems as controversial and nothing changed more than it was to change. No, it will change because they are unforgivable, which is unforgivable. This is what I predicted and everyone called me a dinosaur. No, because you're wrong, because you're empirically wrong.
00:17:25
Speaker
VAR has improved the accuracy in the game and to claim that it hasn't is nonsense. It's earth is flat level of factual incorrectness. So stop saying that you weren't right. What's happened here today is quite simply that they have not gotten the right images. No one is debating that Juventus goal wasn't good. It was on site. There's nothing to discuss. We're discussing why this happened. That's what's interesting. I think they haven't gotten the image because the way that they showed the image on TV
00:17:54
Speaker
The way that the Seria showed those images showed that they didn't... I don't think they had access to the full image, and I think that's down to technology. I could be wrong if it is because they missed it, meaning it's a human error. My solution to that is, just like the referees in the Spezialatio disaster, which is just as scandalous,
00:18:15
Speaker
as this one because it was the same thing, every single person involved in that fuck up should not be allowed to officiate ever again. Simple as that. How can the people in charge of technology doing an offside not have the full width of the pitch? You literally need the full width of the pitch in order to see an offside. That's why I think it's the software that has not worked here.
00:18:36
Speaker
That's why I think it is because, obviously, unless they are suicidal and have wanted to destroy their careers, they would have ignored that. This is why I continue to keep saying I think it's a software problem. I think this is a technical issue because it's happened before, because anyone with a pair of functioning eyeballs can see that that goal is not offside. Simple as that.
00:18:59
Speaker
And I think, and what I meant by that... The footage should be available. The footage should be available. It shouldn't be... Well, I mean, if the TV's got it, if the TV stations have got it...
00:19:09
Speaker
Yeah. And by the way, the referees, the entire crew of the VAR, they should, the VAR, they have to be made available. Rocky said they would be open to doing that after matches. Guess what? Not one. Well, of course they said that's not going to happen. We know it's not going to happen. They were going to make the audio, they were going to make the radio communication between the referees and the VAR room readily available as well for complete transparency, which I fully support, but they didn't do that either.
00:19:40
Speaker
That's never going to happen. Of course they're not, because then they have to invent a new language to speak in code. But regardless...
00:19:47
Speaker
My point is that I think because of this happening the way it did, something will happen now. There will be a review and we will know if it's a human error or if it's a technical issue. If it's a technical issue, then they have to be transparent about why that happened and fix it immediately. I'm going to be honest, I know it's not legally allowed, but I think
00:20:10
Speaker
you should be able to, when it's something like that that costs a team, whether it's Saler and Itana, Lazio, Spezia. I think they should be able to change that, because it was a good goal. There was nothing wrong with it. So you meant they should get the free two wins? Yes, of course they should. Even I would argue for that. I would. Oh man, I would listen. Well, you know, because you have an agenda against Allegri.
00:20:34
Speaker
I don't care about that. I think what's right is right. You've scored a winner and they should get the points. It's as simple as that. I mean, what are we even discussing? You start doing that and then every single game. No, I'm not talking about penalty decisions. I'm talking about offside rule. The offside rule is one of the few things that is not down to interpretation. It's either offside or onside. It's an absolute push.
00:21:02
Speaker
Please, nobody go go 2014. You've roamed, you went to stadium. Speaking of Bonucci potentially interfering with, not potentially. No, but what I'm saying is what I'm saying is offside. What I'm saying is the offside rule is one of the few things in football. Yeah, he was offside. I know he was. So what I'm saying is I think that when when you miss a glaring offside like this, I'm because, again, it's an absolute it's not an interpretation thing or like a penalty or a handball or anything else in football.
00:21:31
Speaker
The offside rule is absolute. It can be, though, sometimes, like if it had been for the Champions League final or whatever, whatever it was, whether, you know, I get that. But this is not one of those situations. This one, is it? But the original one could have been, you know, if it was interfering with when the players. But that's a moot point. That's a moot point. Not all offside decisions are like that, though. They're not, you know, so
00:21:57
Speaker
No, no, no. I'm saying, look, that is up to the referee. I mean, again, the interpretation part is up to the referees and that's up to them. No, I'm talking about objectively. Was he on or was he off? He was on. There's nothing to discuss and it's an absolutely horrific decision. You can't change results after the fact because you just can't.
00:22:19
Speaker
Every single game, and then when do you stop the line? Where do you stop the line? With decisions like this, whether they miss a player playing another player onside, that's when you set it aside. Okay, we've spent 20 minutes on referees of the AR. Forget it. Let's get to the fun stuff. Carlos, tee off now. Time to tee off. Allegri. Okay, put the refereeing stuff aside. We were only supposed to talk about the ref for seven minutes because... Yeah, we knew that wasn't going to happen. No, never mind.
00:22:45
Speaker
How much editing am I going to have to do? No, you don't edit anything. People love this. When they shut their AirPods into the bin, when they hear you two yelling at each other. The last time we yelled at each other, it was our most listened to pod of the season. And I have to say, this absolutely wasn't a plan. Nima triggered me with the power stuff. And I went mad.
00:23:09
Speaker
because Allegri have denying that the Allegri family has power in Italy and Italian football is like claiming that the earth is flat. Come on. What I'm saying is that now that it's happened, let me start it again. Go to Allegri. That's what I'm saying. Go to you.
00:23:30
Speaker
I'll give you a nice segue. At least the referees want Allegri out as well. I'm being censored. I'm doing a Morino with a handcuffs gesture right now.
00:23:47
Speaker
The way last night ended, I am perhaps viewing that as a bit of an alibi. Or maybe even Allegri is doing the same. I am viewing that as a way, oh, look, it's an injustice. We were hard done. And I think you're going to miss some very clear issues at hand. I mean, they were down two to zero at home at the break.
00:24:13
Speaker
For me, that first half, I can't even explain what that was. That was basically everything you hate about Allegri Carlo coming to fruition and being replayed over and over and over throughout that first half. That was unwatchable stuff.
00:24:30
Speaker
Yeah, I'm glad that the goal was disallowed at the end because all it would have done is masked the latest shit show that we saw from Allegri. It was a truly abysmal performance. They were outplayed for the entirety of the first half, but for much of the game, they were outplayed at home by Selene Turner. Now, you know, I don't want to take anything away from Selene Turner because I like them. I love them as a team. I think they'll stay up this season. Yeah, me too. I thought Boulay Dia was exceptional. I thought he was brilliant, man of the match.
00:24:59
Speaker
Juventus couldn't touch him. He held up everything. He used it. He turned players. He was fantastic. But this is Serenity Turner. You're playing Serenity at home. They had a minus 45 goal difference last season. They've never scored a goal against Juventus in Turin in their entire history. They scored twice last night. They should have scored more. And once again, it was the opposition that were playing the football in this game, not Juventus. And so there's no point really me sitting here and repeating what I say every single week about
00:25:29
Speaker
Allegri's non-existent style of play is clear now.
00:25:33
Speaker
It's not going to change. It's not going to improve. He's been here 15 months. He's brought in the players that he wants. The latest was Paredes for 22 million euros. Did anyone see Paredes last night? Did you see him? Did you see the mistake he made? Did you see the mistake he made for the build up? Yes, I did. Yes, I did. He was unwatchable. It doesn't matter who Allegri has in his team now, whether it's Paredes coming in, whether it's Pogba Di Maria Kiesa.
00:26:03
Speaker
Yeah. Juventus, they still have and they will never have any style of play and they will continue to be unwatchable. And as I tweeted out last night, the stats say it all about Allegri. Juventus have won one win in six games. They have two wins in their last 11 games under Allegri, including the end of last season. That would get a coach who is fighting against relegation sacked.
00:26:30
Speaker
That's fact, let alone a coach who is coaching the biggest and most powerful team in Italy and being paid nine million euros a year while they're doing it. So for me, there's no doubt about it. I've said it.
00:26:44
Speaker
implicitly, Allegri needs to be sacked now. Now. Enough is enough. Sacking before the game against Benfica because he turned Juventus into a complete joke. They're a banter club now. Even BT Sport, who are the mainstream media that the official broadcasters of Serie A
00:27:01
Speaker
in England, right? This is the mainstream. Now, mainstream media, and this is a reason why people love to listen to our pot, is because we can say what we want on this pot. We can be... And we do. And we do. Just listen to the effing and blinding of me and Nimr just five minutes ago. This is the kind of stuff we can say. We can slag off the league for corruption. We can slag off managers. We don't have to worry about not getting interviews and being blackballed by clubs. We can say what we want. Now, even... Now, I've been calling...
00:27:31
Speaker
Alegria Dinosaur for over a year now. Even BT Sport and mainstream media broadcasted the match last night. They called Alegria Dinosaur. It's even gone mainstream now. You know, this is how much of a laughingstock that Alegria has turned Juventus into. So, yeah, I'll take a breather now, but that's my first bit that he has to be sat now.
00:27:51
Speaker
No, I don't think he should be sacked. But I do think that there was a dreadful game. It was an unforgivably poor performance by Juventus and Allegri. And I think he really needs to be ashamed of himself. And this is simply not good enough. I don't want to take anything away from Saler in Tana. I thought they were good. But Juventus and Allegri has failed so far this season. It's as simple as that. I mean, the other games,
00:28:21
Speaker
I still think that it matters because if you ever win that the same way that Inter beat Brozovic scores the late winner for Inter against Torino, that late winner could have changed the course of the season. That could have given them the energy and boost and belief they wanted and instead
00:28:39
Speaker
they did, they weren't. So I actually think it does matter. I think these things, I've always said that, that these things matter. These kinds of errors can ruin and derail a season because Juventus would have had momentum. They wouldn't have been proud. They wouldn't have been happy, but they would have had, you know, that last, you know, everybody knows the kind of positive energy that a last gasp winner creates in a team that is struggling in the squad, the belief, the self-confidence for the manager, for the coach, as well as the players. And
00:29:07
Speaker
And that's why I say there should be an opening that when you make these kinds of errors, you should be able to adjust the result afterwards. Because this is absolutely unforgivable. But it doesn't take away from Allegri's incredible... I mean, they were so poor. In my opinion, that was Juva's worst performance this season.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, for large parts of it, it was up there. Now, this is for me, for me, this season, you got given the opposition, given the opposition as well, given everything, given everything. I think it was a horrible performance from start to finish. I like the OK, they started showing a bit energy and anger after after going to no doubt. But
00:29:47
Speaker
They had a good start the second half and then it just went flat again and then they had that rally in the last in injury time. But that to me is unacceptable. This is not good enough. I mean, I've always consistently said last season is year zero, this is year one. Well, he's playing year, this is minus one. He's regressing. This is regression. No, this is regression. And when you have regressions, when you have a regression like this,
00:30:19
Speaker
then you have to ask serious questions. I don't know, you have to. The thing is, I don't see why they shouldn't sack him. Because some people will say that it's going to be costly to sack Allegri. And it's true. And replace him with who? He has two and a half years of his 36 million
00:30:37
Speaker
pound or euros contract left. So it will cost you they over 20 million to sack in plus taxes. So work that out. Yeah, john is the john is the bank man here. So he can work out. Yeah, he's the banker here. So I mean, it's gonna cost you a hell of a lot of money to sack him. I would like to think that, you know, there would be a clause in the contract that Allegri doesn't get his full pay off if they decide to sack him now. He's clearly failing. He's what you know, he's not fulfilling
00:31:04
Speaker
But wouldn't that be tied to Champions League football then, like failing to? Well, yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I mean, the thing is that when Jose Mourinho was sacked by Spurs last year, he had a clause in his contract that he would only get a certain payoff depending on what position he was. And the reason why he was, remember he was sacked before there was a Cup final at the end of the week and he was sacked at the beginning of that week on like the Monday or the Tuesday.
00:31:31
Speaker
they had a cup final at the end of the week but they also had they also had a league game on the wednesday.
00:31:38
Speaker
and which was quite an easy game, if I remember rightly. Now, the reason why Mourinho was sacked was because it was it would have cost Spurs a lot more money if they were over a certain position. I think if they were like fifth or six or something, it would have cost them certain money. And if they won the cup as well, it would have been in Europe, he would have got it. So they basically said, I would like to think that any properly run club would have had a clause in the contract that you're paying someone 36 million over four years, that you're going to basically, you know,
00:32:05
Speaker
you don't have to pay them half of it unless they're in a certain position or or you know I would like to think there's that no Italian club has that even Juventus who are the best well like in terms of organization well and all that well no but I mean structurally even though they've got their ducks in order there's no Italian club that has that club I can't imagine
00:32:23
Speaker
I know, that's what I'm saying. I would like to think there would be one like there was one that spurs with Marina. I'd like to think because then there would be no reason not to sack him. So I'm thinking, yeah, okay, maybe there is an economic reason, but I think it's got to the point now where it will be even more costly to keep him because for me, and I've said this since the Champions League group draw straight as they draw was made,
00:32:43
Speaker
You know, Juventus don't look like they're even going to get out of the Champions League group. They're playing Benfica, who have won all 11, played 1-11, 1-11, conceded two goals so far this season. And if the performances continue in Serie A, as they are, they're not even going to make the Champions League mixture. It's going to be very competitive again this year, as it has been for the last two seasons when they've struggled. So, you know, I just don't see why you would keep him. I think that one of the reasons why
00:33:10
Speaker
he will stay. It's also because if Aniele sacks him, then that is a damning indictment on Aniele. He has to go. Aniele, this was Aniele's choice to bring him back. We know that the Ned Ved didn't want him back. We know that some of the other people high up didn't want him. This was Aniele. Aniele put in all his eggs in Allegory's basket.
Juventus Leadership Analysis
00:33:32
Speaker
Now,
00:33:33
Speaker
if he sacks Allegri after not even a year and a half, that's basically admitting that you've made a huge fuck up. And he's made a huge fuck up. So what does he do? Does he just keep, does he just carry on? You know, I mean, they've just announced losses of over 240 million by 2022. You know, it's a complete disaster everywhere. I think it's time for, I mean, I think Andrea nearly, as I've said this before, when we've spoken about it on Juventus many times in last season and even before that, but maybe
00:34:01
Speaker
The cycle coming to an end should also be Andre Agnelli's cycle as Juventus president because it's not working. The decisions he has made consistently since Marotta left, which led to Marotta leaving, have been disastrous.
00:34:18
Speaker
every single one. It's only now that with Ari Vabene and Kirubini that they've kind of returning to doing smart things again. But we're not often, like generally speaking, like going away ridiculous. But I don't see, I mean, to me, I think it's
00:34:36
Speaker
I don't see why you keep Allegri now. For me, he's a sunk cost. I think that the argument that, well, it's going to cost a lot of money to get rid of him. Well, I think that you've lost that money now. It's a sunk cost. You can only lose more by keeping Allegri, in my opinion. And I think there needs to be change. The fans have had enough. I mean, Allegri's even lost the cult members now. The fans don't even turn up. Did you see? I mean, we're in a state, we're in a season where Roma
00:35:04
Speaker
John will tell us, full, pat full, Lazio, not Lazio, not Lazio, Napoli, Inter, great Milan, you know, they're all full, these names are all full. Lazio could have higher attendance as well. Stop with that, John. Come on, die. Okay, Roma have solved more pre-season, but Lazio have improved as well. I mean, the
00:35:25
Speaker
People has been having a go at his own supporters all summer. Come on. But they've still... He said he couldn't pack the stadium if they gave away free tickets. Yeah, but no, they've actually increased as well. He sticks his finger up at all of them. What do you expect now? I mean, look at you. Did you see how many empty seats there were? I mean, people don't want to watch this.
00:35:44
Speaker
You know, people don't want to watch this terrible football, especially when they should. Who should they go after? I mean, I know you're going to say, well, there's a manager, there's a world class manager, there's a world class manager who just got sacked last week, who's available. I mean, the event is for me, go straight after him. Thomas Tuchel.
00:36:00
Speaker
He in fact the players that you've been to have available, although he you know, he probably does need to get some depth Definitely get some depth for it. But Thomas to call plays a three about three which you you know, which you never three five to three five to three five to or three four to one, you know Whatever, you know, you know with one man up front. I agree. I mean he's got that. He's got the wing backs for me
00:36:20
Speaker
the system anyway. And yes, okay, they lack depth in the attacking midfield position. They probably need to sign some players there in January. But, you know, I think Thomas Tuchel, you know, he's, he's pragmatic enough for the event as his traditional identity. And he's also cranky. He's also cranky. Like he's not he's, you know, he's, he's, he's, to me, he's, he's classic Yuba Tuchel. Like to me, he would fit in like a,
00:36:47
Speaker
like he would fit in perfectly. We've seen what an impact he had with Chelsea. People forget, when he took over with Chelsea, they were the same laugh in Stockham banter club that Juventus are right now as we speak under Frank Lampard. They were a complete joke. They were near mid table. They were nowhere way out of the top four. No one expected. He's done it before. He's done it before, for sure. And I think the three, I mean, Juventus will, if Juventus play a 3-5-2, I think they will get much better results. And I think he's the right person too as well. He's done this before. He's walked into a big club that's
00:37:18
Speaker
Well, you can handle the personalities. You can handle the pressure. I mean, if you've been at PSG, I mean, if you if you've coached those clubs, PSG, Chelsea, you can handle you. I mean, there's no doubt about that. So no, I think it's also be expensive. No, but that's the thing, though, that you can use the growth decree on him. So his wages could end up costing you less per year. Then you can do that with coaches as well. You can do that with coaches. Anyone, not just coaches. Anyone come into the country. Why do you think Lionel Messi's dad moved to Milan with all the money? Yeah.
00:37:47
Speaker
Yeah and that's what i don't know that you don't have to do it is to what you get to go straight after me it's too much of a leg we know i mean again did you see his post match comments i love you i love he was much he was of course you were.
00:38:02
Speaker
He was mocking the journalists who questioned him about Juventus playing poorly. And he says, well, you say they play poorly. You see the games, but you don't watch the game. And he didn't want to talk about the referees either. He didn't say a word about the referees, which I think I want to give him credit for, for at least that makes him a little bit coherent and consistent. He said Moisakine played a good game.
00:38:25
Speaker
I mean, I mean, did you say Moisakine? I mean, yeah, but he was dreadful, but you should never have signed him in the first place. But no, look, it's I think it's I think it could happen. I think it's not like you were to do that. But I think I think a bad result against Bemfica and that could really begin to happen. I really think if they lose to Bemfica, you would think surely. I think so. It's untenable.
00:38:49
Speaker
I think he would resign as well. I don't think he would be sacked. I think he would have given the relationship he has with Juovan and Anieli. They're very good friends. I think every morning they go jogging together and have breakfast together. They're really good friends. I think at some point- Maybe Anieli can use his power and force him to resign.
00:39:09
Speaker
Let's just say that. I think they'll agree to a mutual termination if it happens. I don't think they'll sack him outright. I think he'll basically say, I want the best for Juve and I've spoken and it doesn't seem like it's possible. And then they'll agree on a payout and then he'll leave. I don't think he'll, not him, not him in Juve, not him in Aniele. They're too, it's too BFF for that to
00:39:33
Speaker
to happen. You do the whole Yuva before everything. Yuva comes first, song and dance, and then he'll do mutual termination. But I think a Benfica game is a good... That's an import. Because to me, if you don't see a reaction there, if you don't see anything there, then maybe it is time.
00:39:54
Speaker
Wow. 40 minutes for all of our non-uventini condolences. This was the biggest talking point. It's not true. I know. I know. To be fair, it wasn't, you know, we're not saying to everyone tune out now it's over, but you know, this, this was the talking point. And I'm saying that I took a 40 minute nap. You join me next time. Um, but, but now, um,
00:40:21
Speaker
I mean, if you weren't the Uventino and you're not Unterista, I don't know what to tell you for this. Well, Roma plays tonight.
Milan vs. Sampdoria & Offside Rule Debate
00:40:30
Speaker
That's why we haven't spoken about them. But I wanted to talk. Milan won. Yeah, Milan won. And that was not controversial at all. We want to continue refereeing, but that's too much to digest. But I have to say, I think it's, I honest to say, I think the
00:40:46
Speaker
I think the referee got pretty much every single call right. I don't think it's a penalty on Kiar. Rafael Liao shouldn't be kicking like that unless he's certain, so it's a second yellow card, that's correct.
00:40:57
Speaker
And the disallowed goal was correct as well. I mean, I think they got it all right. I don't, you know, Gianpao was upset because his Sampdoria team don't play well. And he was screaming about, yeah, after they sent Liao off, they should have, you know, the referee was only on Milan's side and blah, blah, that's just not true.
00:41:17
Speaker
I look at that Keyar tackle the same way as Giroud and Alexis Sanchez in the Darby that Milan won last season. I think he doesn't obstruct him. He goes into the ball, he goes into the situation to win the ball and you're allowed to tackle. It's still a contact spot.
00:41:36
Speaker
I'd be very annoyed if we're not allowed to in any physical context. I don't think he did anything wrong, Keir. I think it's a fair, hard tackle, and he's not tripping him. He's not obstructing him. So I don't have a problem with that. I thought that this allowed Milango was the most debatable.
00:41:56
Speaker
out of it. It was irrelevant in the end, so it didn't really matter. But I thought that when they were 1-0 up, I thought that was the most debatable. You know my opinion, I've always said that I would go back to the offside rule of
00:42:12
Speaker
pre-1990 World Cup. Well, if it were up to you, we'd all ride horse and cart to work and school because that, I mean, let's not, you going back to the old, the olden days. Well, the reason why is because I believe that anybody, anybody who is offside, pretty much anybody that is offside is interfering with play. The idea of, well, he wasn't interfering with play.
00:42:35
Speaker
the idea that, oh, well, he wasn't interfering with play, I think is an absolute nonsense. Because, because, I mean, just take, take the Bonucci, take the Bonucci one, for example. Now, for me, that's the correct decision. That's how it that should always be disallowed. I mean, before we saw the, yeah, before we saw the Kendraver pictures. Now, for me, you know, that that he isn't interfering with play, because he's right in front of the goalkeeper. Now,
00:42:57
Speaker
that has actually become a little bit more liberal. That's been relaxed a bit. If that happened two years ago, three years ago, that goal would have been allowed originally. It would have done. That goal would have been allowed. We saw that and that used to drive me crazy. And we used to see lots of other examples. We used to see where players were in the line or in the eyesight, eye line of the goalkeeper and someone else would take a shot and the goal would be allowed. And, you know, I'd be like, well, he's in the eye line in the golfing. Well, he didn't affect, you know,
00:43:21
Speaker
If you're in an offside position, at the very least, you're affecting the defense because a defender might have to keep an eye on you because you might come back into play and you might have to mark them. You're always affecting play, always. So I would like to go back to the rule. So for that reason, I'm fine with the Milan goal, but that's just my personal view of what the offside rule should be. But I am happy that they have relaxed it and they have become a little bit more
00:43:49
Speaker
favorable to the defense. I think the referee got it right in that. Given how the rules are today, and I have no problem with the offside rule, I have a problem with people who don't understand the offside rule and disallow goals and put a farcical stamp on the entire league, like in the Juve game, it was embarrassing. It's utterly bizarre that this can happen in this day and age.
00:44:15
Speaker
I genuinely don't understand it's just like, like the special last year is just un-ridiculous. It should be. The biggest thing that did happen in this game was Rafael Liao getting sent off because he's now going to miss the Napoli game this weekend. And that's huge. That's absolutely huge because I think if there's one irreplaceable player for Milan, it is Rafael Liao. They just don't have
00:44:42
Speaker
Well, he can do two, three men. I mean, this is the thing. Yeah, but a technique and physique and the technique, physique, speed, he has it all. And he can do it on three men. The land are slow in attack without Lappoli. He injects all the pace into their attack. So I think that's huge. I know Lappoli have got plays missing, Ossemane and Spelletti is going to be suspended as well. I know that, but I do think that's absolutely huge. And Giroud at the moment is literally having to play every single game.
00:45:09
Speaker
I mean, he's going to catch up with him because they've got no Liao. Also, they've got no Origi. He's injured and no Rebic. He's injured. It's Latin, of course, is out this year. So Giroud's having to play every single game twice a week for 36 year old. I mean, it's too much. He's going to catch up with him and it might affect him. Like he did with Jekyll last season. Yeah, I was going to say exactly what I was going to say. Yeah. Jekyll last season. No, it's it's I can't wait for that game. It's a mouthwatering prospect.
00:45:41
Speaker
We'll talk about that on Thursday, on the Thursday show. We'll preview that more then. Yeah, absolutely. We have to talk about him today. John, I think, has had enough of us and he's gone. Someone called me and they asked if I had the time. I said, yeah, just hold on one moment.
00:45:59
Speaker
These doofuses are speaking of the same crap. And so I'm going to tune out again. Inter. Okay. I want to hear you. I want to hear about what you think about the Roma situation as well. I mean, Inter for me, it's pretty, it was a gritty win. It was not much to talk about really. I mean, I think, you know, it's not a situation. You positively jinxed. No, I didn't get him to know what I want to talk about. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why I didn't jinx.
00:46:29
Speaker
Not a single one of those saves is not one that you can say is, oh, it's an amazing and magical world-class save. They are standard bog saves that every goalkeeper at this level should be able to make. And I'm not having a go at him. I think there was one. I agree with you mostly. I think there was one outstanding save in them. I can't remember which one it was. No, I'm not having a go at him. I think, again, I don't want to have this discussion again, because that's why we did that thing on
00:46:58
Speaker
on Handanovic, which I explained. It's on YouTube for just that segment. That's my opinion on Handanovic, so I don't want to keep repeating myself. I think he had I think that competition for places is good. And we saw that throughout. I think that's why Inter won this. Belanova as an option to Dumfries will make Dumfries perform or he gets benched because he was good. Belanova, Andrionana was great against Bayern. Samuel Handanovic raised his game. Competition for places are good.
00:47:25
Speaker
And I'm happy that's good for Inter, but it's not a, I don't think this was, you know, I think Torino is such a difficult side to break down. They're so tactically well positioned. They're so disciplined. They know when to press you, when not to press you. They move as a cohesive unit. They know exactly when to do what and when not to do anything. And it's just as important. They've got some really interesting players in GG and Bongiorno.
00:47:52
Speaker
who I really liked in defense. And no, it's, they're pressing. No, I really liked them. And they made life, they made life superb. No, they were, they were. I thought they were so undone by they really did not deserve to lose this game. No, no, they didn't. And Inter didn't deserve to win, but that's why that's why that victory tastes so sweeter from an Inter perspective. Because, you know, this has been such a,
00:48:21
Speaker
I was talking about the Allegri and Juve thing, late winners like that, they build confidence, they build belief, they give you momentum. And Varela was dreadful, but he got that brilliant assist. Brozovic didn't have a good game, but he got that goal. These kinds of things, when you're not playing well,
00:48:39
Speaker
but you win, that builds confidence, that helps you get out of that mental spot as a team, and Inter did all that. So yeah, no, it's not much to talk about. It was just important to get that win and to keep it and to concede a goal. I think defensively there are still things, there are lots of question marks defensively on an individual basis. What I did like the most though, from an Inter perspective, was the balance.
Inter Match Summary & Ownership News
00:49:03
Speaker
Finally we saw some balance between defense and attack, between the defensive line and
00:49:07
Speaker
and the midfield line that they were working. They knew when to fall off. There wasn't this acres of space between them. I really like that. That's the most positive thing from a tactical point of view. But other than that, it's not much to talk about really. Yeah. Okay. Well, one thing there is to talk about is the inter-sale. So can you just explain to everyone, to the layman really, what is the situation regarding Sooning selling the club? Because there were reports
00:49:37
Speaker
in a lot of reports in the last days that's, well, the latest are that Stephen Zang is in talks with the Sacramento King's owner Vivek Ranadive if I'm correct. There's not, look, the situation is that, excuse me.
00:49:54
Speaker
The situation is that Sooning have been open to selling Inter since BC partners were interested and they signed a letter of intent and all that stuff. And also exclusivity at the time. I think it was, I can't remember if it was 2020. Yeah, Season 8 won the Scoredetto in early January, February. Excuse me.
00:50:21
Speaker
No twenty yeah twenty twenty twenty yes sorry i'm so basically so we know that what what soon you want they want an important offer and what what's an important offer they want north of one billion euros in cash to walk away. And what we know is that they were they were looking to bring in.
00:50:39
Speaker
The reason why that failed was because BC partners didn't meet the evaluation and also Suning wanted more of a partner kind of style. I think the closer we get to 2024 when the loan from Oaktree expires, because now we know it's a 12% interest rate and it's 275, so it brings it just to 296 million euros that they have to pay back by the summer of 2024.
00:51:04
Speaker
which is a lot of money, the closer we get to that situation, the closer we get to that date, something has to give. Because unless, yes, Sunin can remake that payment, fine, great, and then they stay on.
00:51:19
Speaker
But I don't think they will. And I don't think that, because Suning has pretty much been bailed out by the Chinese government, and I don't see how the Chinese government is happy letting almost 300 million euros leave their coffers to pay for the football team. That's just not going to happen. So I think we're going to see more rumors like this the closer we get. But the situation is not really, the only news, and I'm being generous with the word news here,
00:51:45
Speaker
is that Stephen Zhang is open to sell the club or has asked Goldman Sachs to find a buyer. But that's not really news either. I think that there is an opening here. I think they're more inclined to ever than before. But none of that matters unless their evaluation, what they want, is the same. And I think it is. From what I've understood, it is the same. 1.2 billion euros
00:52:12
Speaker
in cash, meaning whoever comes on will have to take on the oak tree debt, will have to take on the, or maybe will have to take on all the other debts as well. Maybe they can negotiate that soon and have to pay off the oak tree debt. Okay, well then they'll make a profit of 900 million euros, but then they'll still make a loss, which is something they're not willing to do, given how much money they've invested in it. My personal take on this situation is that
00:52:38
Speaker
I think the closer we get to TikTok, TikTok, the closer we get to 2024, the summer of 2024, it's a game of chicken. We'll see more of these rumors. I don't think there's, from what I understand, no letters of intent have been signed, no letters of exclusivity have been signed. There's just loose talk. No offer is on the table. There's just loose talk. As far as that's true, nothing has changed.
00:53:07
Speaker
But we're closer ever than ever now to assuming leaving than than than before that that that I do agree. I agree with that assessment. Yes. OK, right. OK.
00:53:21
Speaker
Nice and clear there. So let's move on. It's in there. We don't do things nice and clear. Okay, Napoli. Let's move on to Napoli against Spezia. So it was an amazing, amazing week for Liverpool.
00:53:37
Speaker
thrashed Liverpool 4-1 in the Champions League on Wednesday and then they beat Spezio 1-0 on Saturday, only just last minute, 89th minute goal from
00:54:00
Speaker
from Raspadori, it looked like it was going to be one of those days. They had so many chances. They had 28 shots, Napoli. And they just, yeah, just would not go in for them. I thought Spezia defended, heroically, so many blocks, so many last-gasp blocks and challenges. And I thought Kiwi or the defender, the center-pack, who's been getting the Polish defender, he's been getting a lot of praise recently. He had been linked to some big clubs. I thought he was brilliant.
00:54:28
Speaker
And, you know, it looked like Napoli weren't going to get the win. And it would have been having drawn with Lecce last week, beating Liverpool and drawing Mespetsia.
00:54:38
Speaker
then the whole narrative of lack of consistency would have been true again with Swaleti. And this is the thing, he needs to calm his head. He's in Naples now. He's not in one of the other clubs. This is a piazza that is more heated than Roma or anywhere else. He needs to keep his cool. And getting himself sent off like that, I expect more from him. He needs to calm down and be in control.
00:55:08
Speaker
and manage expectations, not fan the flames. It's Naples for crying out loud. You're not supposed to fan the flames. Yeah, because you're going to miss the Milan game now, which they need you for. Yeah, exactly. And it's silly. But I mean, I don't think that's such a disaster anyway, because they will have prepared for that game in minute detail anyway.
Napoli & Atalanta Match Analyses
00:55:24
Speaker
So he'll be involved in that. He just won't be involved in the coaching. And we know that they will have spoken, and I'm not worried at all.
00:55:33
Speaker
What was noticeable for me in this game is just how deep Napoli's squad is because they rotate a lot for this game, but they still put out a really strong team. But if you look at the subs that they brought on, you know, Lobotka, Lozano, Zielinski, Simeone again, even the youngster, Gaetano, who's very vibrating. I really liked Gaetano. I really liked him. I watched this game and I love, he gave that, I mean, he deserved that assist because he was really an injection when he came on.
00:56:03
Speaker
Yeah. And I thought that at Scalia again, amazing to watch. I mean, that double nutmeg was just unbelievable. And he did it to poor Emil Holm, Swedish right back. He actually played quite well, actually. Yeah, he did. He was all right. He actually played pretty well. Yeah, I did. No, he did. He used to play for IFK Gothenburg in my hometown as well. And he did all right, but he got absolutely ripped there.
00:56:30
Speaker
Um, I mean, everybody does. I mean, he rips everyone. I mean, he was, he was amazing to watch. He was amazing to watch again. Um, uh, the only other thing I would say is I thought when Don Belay struggled again and he got taken off. Yeah, he did. Uh, yeah, he's, he's, he's, yeah, he's struggling at the moment. Paolo di Canio, Paolo di Canio actually said before the game that if Spelletti gets the Don Belay playing great
00:56:53
Speaker
it will be his biggest miracle yet in terms of everything that you've talked about, about how good Spaletti is. Improving players. Improving players and getting players that haven't quite fulfilled their potential. De Canyon says if he does that within Dom Bele, that will be his biggest. And equally is true. If Spaletti can't get in Dom Bele to perform, then I'm calling it a day on that guy's career, just like Deliali. Do you know what I mean? It's mediocrity for you. Because if Spaletti can't fix you, then I don't know who can.
00:57:23
Speaker
Yeah, spot on. Konta's given up on him. Spaletti's given up on him. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, no, they can't all be wrong, can they? Right. Let's go on to finish off with the Serie A review with just a few reactions to the other games. We'll go through all of them quickly. So first of all, Atalanta drew 1-0 with Clemonheza. They were top of the table on their own going into this match day. I watched this game and I thought,
00:57:53
Speaker
Yeah, I thought that was a fair result, basically, put it that way. I thought it was quite an even game. And yeah, I mean, I think you're right in that Muriel and Zapata
00:58:06
Speaker
probably are on the slide now. They made a mistake at Allanta, they don't usually make these mistakes, but keeping both of them was wrong. They should have got rid of one, yeah. They should have got rid of at least one. Although I do like that Huyland, Huyland, who you all pronounce properly. I do like the look of him. He looked quite bright when he came on, but someone so young, holds the ball up really well, strong. But Cremonese impressed me. They did well. They fully deserved this draw. And the thing is, they've only got one point this season, but
00:58:35
Speaker
If you actually watch all their games, they've been in the games, all of them really. They've been competitive in pretty much every game that they've played in. And are good. Maybe the Inter1, the exception of the Inter1 maybe, but they've been... Well, they created quite a few chances in that as well. And also our good dear friend Andrei Radu is being touted as the goalkeeper of the week on these stats sites, which just proves to show that you should
00:59:01
Speaker
not trust blindly stats sites because Karimonese can see a lot of shots and therefore he makes a lot of saves and therefore he gets lots of points. But I'm not going to be a complete hater and say that he didn't do well because he did do well against Karimonese and I think he's done well these past few weeks. Hopefully for his sake and also for Inter's sake, he has an amazing season and he keeps getting into team of the week. That way Inter can sell him and call it a day.
00:59:32
Speaker
because he's only on loan at Clemonessa. Okay, Bologna 2-1. Now, we spoke about all the refereeing scandals earlier, but for me, this was pretty scandalous as well, but no one's going to talk about it now because of obviously what happened with Juventus. Now, I thought the winner for this game was a disgrace, an absolute disgrace that this goal got given.
00:59:57
Speaker
the Arnaltovic's winner. For me, it's an elbow to the head, back to the head of Martinez-Corta. I can't believe that the referee went over to the monitor, watched it and gave the goal, still gave the goal. I cannot believe it. I cannot believe it. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was strange as well. I thought it was strange as well. I'm going to agree with you there. I think it was a strange thing, but I do got it. I mean, we've slated the referees a lot, but I think the referee in Inter Victorino was really good. I like that he
01:00:23
Speaker
I like that the VAR mate told him to look at that Sanabria red card again, because it wasn't a red card, it wasn't an elbow, it was a hand, and a yellow card will suffice. So I like that. No, no, we should be terrible. This was terrible. And we have to say that Fiorentina is getting into
01:00:41
Speaker
many prices right now really well i thought vincenzo italiano was the second coming of the sittin savior of italian football look i'm sorry i'm not convinced of by vincenzo italiano i'm not i think he's a decent coach but the way that people have been flaunting this guy is
01:00:57
Speaker
Oh, he's going to be the next blah, blah, blah. No, I mean, I'm glad that Fiorentina aren't conceding as many goals and aren't as open as they used to be. But clearly, when they don't, when they are defensively solid, they can't score. Because what is it now? How many games? How many goals? Two goals in five games? To be honest with you, the issue this season is that they don't have the attackers. I mean, look at their attackers. I mean, who would you pick out from that attack and play and play in any of the other top
01:01:24
Speaker
None. Let's say it's okay. How many of them individually? I mean, you would say maybe before the season, you would maybe say you have it and everyone was like, well, how the hell can Real Madrid get rid of this guy for nothing? Basically give him to Fiorentina and pay 50% of his wages for nothing.
01:01:39
Speaker
I think we're now starting to see why. I think Jovic as a sole number nine doesn't work but if he plays in a two-man attack I think he will score you quite a few goals. He's been a disaster so far. He's been a disaster so far because he's offering nothing in the build-up either.
01:01:56
Speaker
And Kwame is a Serie A... I'll say it, he's a Serie A G player. He's a Serie A G player. I'm not going to say anything. A certain someone called him a future world-class player. No, he's not. But, you know, he's a disaster. He's not a world-class player. He's not anything. He's a mediocre player. He took one goal in two years. Yeah, well, he's like that Babakar, who Fiorentina had as well, who if he played Inter every week would win the Ballon d'Or.
01:02:22
Speaker
But the lack of consistency is the problems with these players. They can't do it. They can do one good thing, one game, and then they're away for five games. So I'm with you. Yeah, I think they've got a huge problem in attack. Well, I don't understand why they don't play Cabral instead. I'm not convinced by him either. Well, I'd rather play him. I think Gonzalez, they're missing him massively. They need him back because he's a wonderful player. And he would say, but I mean, they couldn't even beat.
01:02:49
Speaker
that team in the conference league, could they? RFS, the furniture store. They can't even beat the furniture store. It does sound like a furniture store. It really sounds like a furniture store, that name. Yeah. Anyway, OK. Let's say... Stefano Sensi scores a beautiful free kick. That's the only thing you take away from that. They had a 0.08xG. Don't understand why they don't just sang Stropa. What are they waiting for?
01:03:15
Speaker
I think that would, I mean, I didn't watch the full game. I saw the highlights, but that was the only highlight that they showed of Monza attacking the entire game was that free kick, which, so I'm, I'm presuming that that had a 0.08 XG, that free kick. And that was it. And that's it. They didn't have any other attempts or, or, or moments of the game and actually completely dominated. They should have won the game and they put out a complaint as well on the referee and about a handball they should have had for a penalty. But, um, yeah, Monza, they have to sack him because, because it's quite clear now that.
01:03:43
Speaker
that it's the coach that is the biggest problem there. Udenez there, we have to give a shout out to them. Four wins in a row, beats that soil off 3-1. They're now at one point at the top. The Samajic scored again. And Beto is the one I want to give out, because I've watched Udenez's last few games. And even though these were his first two goals, he has been a monster. No, he's good. He is, him and Imo Belair, really, I'm telling you, they will cause problems to most offenses. Those two are a real handful together. And Samajic, Samajic as well. I mean, that youngster.
01:04:13
Speaker
I really like what he scored again as well. Yeah. Yeah. So they're going to be dangerous against Inter this weekend. And Lazio. Finally, Lazio won 2-0. Immobulate overtakes Batastuta in the all-time sports charts. Insane. Insane. Wow. Ciro.
Serie A Highlights & Records
01:04:30
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Luis Alberto came on. He scored. I think Sarri sees him as someone to bring on as a sub when teams are tired and the pressing goes out the window. Teams can't press anymore. They can. And that's how Luis Alberto generally
01:04:43
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seems to shine when the games are in those circumstances. I can actually see him being used. He won't like it. I can see him being used like that more this season and also Saudi.
01:04:52
Speaker
Sarik's middle finger was brilliant as well. Love it. I love when Sarik gets cranky and angry. But then he kissed and made up with a guy and apparently the joke and laughed about it afterwards. A bit like me and you arguing earlier. Champions League. Let's do this really quickly because we've gone way over as usual. Where are we at? One minute, five minutes. Right. Okay. Rangers Napoli moved to Wednesday because of the Queen.
01:05:20
Speaker
No comment on that. So I understand that. No, it's not because of the Queen's because every policeman in the United Kingdom will be after won't be in, you know, they'll be occupied with other things because of the Queen. Well, exactly. And yeah, which is a really good, really good use of police. But still, it's like it's the head of state. I'm not exactly a monarchist, but I can understand that they're going to have a state funeral for the for the head of state dying. I mean, I'm not, you know, I get that. And also what's next week.
01:05:46
Speaker
Yeah I know but yeah but it's still it's it's state morning she's the head of state of the country yeah but she's the head of the she's the head of state and also Napoli fans were banned from going to to uh to to to Glasgow and Glasgow fans as to make it even have now been not been allowed to allocate tickets to Golden Age. Why can just remind me why were Napoli fans banned?
01:06:07
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No, because of the security aspect. They're not giving tickets away because the police felt they can't guarantee everyone security. So UEFA decided to make it easier for everybody and say, okay, your fans can't go there, your fans can't go there. I feel bad for the fans because I think it would have been amazing.
01:06:26
Speaker
Because both of the atmosphere at those stages, both of those stadiums is magical and electric when it's really a fantastic experience. But you know, it is what it is. The head of state of the UK and 14 other countries passed away, and you've got to respect it.
01:06:43
Speaker
I don't agree, but you got to respect it. Okay. Okay. I wasn't expecting that Nima. I'm not a monarchist, but she's still the head of state. What are you going to do? 2022 and some people are still treated more equally than others. Right. Look, I'm not for the monarchy. I'm saying she's still the head of state. Like, come on.
01:07:01
Speaker
Madness. It's madness. Absolutely madness. Right. Talking about former Queens, Victoria, Queen Victoria. This is a must-win game. Yeah. They have to win. Simple as that, right? But Victoria Pilton haven't lost in 28 games at home, so it's not going to be easy. Wow. 28 games? Yeah. So I'll start saying that. Does that include Europe? I think so, yeah.
01:07:27
Speaker
Really? Haven't lost a home in 28 games. Yeah. I suppose they probably got knocked out early last year and that's probably goes back to that. Yeah. Okay. Milan, Dynamo Zagreb again, another winning game. Must win. Yeah. Absolutely must win game. They have to win that match. Um, cause Dynamo Zagreb beat Chelsea in match day one. So that's open Milan. Yeah. Cause it's open. That's opened up. See, I think in a way that that's maybe a bad result because it's opened up the group and it means that if, I mean, if you say Milan don't win this game,
01:07:56
Speaker
Or if they were to lose this game, then suddenly they're in trouble because you'd still expect Chelsea to win this group. And then suddenly you're playing catch up on Dynamo Zagreb. So yeah, they definitely have to win this. Juventus Benfica, yeah, as we already discussed before, so we won't go into that, but absolute must-win game for Allegri. I think if he loses this, then
01:08:19
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you would think surely his position is untenable if they lose this because they will be out. They'll be six points out of the qualification places. It will be all over for them. It's going to be a difficult game. Benfica have been statistically the best team in Europe this season. They've played 11, 1-11. I believe they've conceded two goals, although I might be mistaken on that.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah, they look good. They've got some good players, Gonzalo Ramos, Nerez, they signed in the summer. Enzo Fernandez, really good player. They signed from Argentina. Yeah, you just have to win this game. It doesn't matter how they do it. Even if it's the ugliest Allegri ball ever, they just have to win. No, they have to win.
Victoria Pilaton & Roma's Potential Crisis
01:09:06
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Just to add on that stat, according to the Gazette of the Los Sport, Victoria Pilaton have not lost at home since May 2021. So 28 games. Okay, well.
01:09:17
Speaker
Were they not in the Champions League last season? I can't remember. And then just quickly, Europa League, Roma, Helsinki, Mitchell and Lazio. I wanted to ask John this about Roma because I think is there a crisis there or not? It's going to be interesting. We can have a look at that for Thursday show because they will have played on Monday against Emily, right?
01:09:44
Speaker
Yeah. And then Helsinki in the Europa League. But after two bad defeats, Helsinki. There's going to be, I already know what memes are going to be out, if they lose to Helsinki. It's going to be the guy from Moneyheast, one of the characters from Moneyheast, his name is Helsinki. So he's a massive guy. And then Meet You Landlazio. That should be, I mean, Lazio should win that as well.
01:10:10
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Uh, and Istanbul, um, against, uh, against, uh, which is probably going to be quite a difficult game. They're not bad team. Those there they are. So that's, that's a tough one of your antenna. Okay. Let's finish off with prim face and bad Joe of the week. Okay. Right.
01:10:40
Speaker
Bad Joe. I've got a Bad Joe. It's just Napoli full stop. Yeah, it has to be. That game against Liverpool, it was so beautiful.
Napoli vs. Liverpool Victory
01:10:54
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It was Italian football at its absolute best and it was Naples at its absolute best. It was absolutely the atmosphere at that stadium, the way that Napoli ripped apart Liverpool. It was beautiful.
01:11:06
Speaker
All of it. Incredible football. One of Napoli's great European nights, really. Yeah, throughout their history. Agreed. I mean, all the European matches I've seen Napoli and watched back on Napoli, even from, you know, before my time with Maradona and everything. Yeah, it's definitely out there. That's a classic. For me, it reminded me of when they beat Chelsea at home in the first, you know, that season when Chelsea were under Di Matteo, or when then the, you know, the return like the last time. 3-1, that was. Yeah.
01:11:33
Speaker
they reminded me of that. They were just that unplayable. And they were just, I mean, that's the thing Napoli, when they have a great record against not only Liverpool, but against English teams at home. At home. Yeah. But that's the thing at home. I think they can beat anyone in the world on the night. It's just that there's something in the air that, you know, obviously you need to have good players as well and good coaches. But when there's something about the European nights at that stadium in the evening, it's just
01:11:59
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Yeah. It's mythological. No, it absolutely is. It is.
Liverpool Twitter Critique
01:12:05
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Prem face of the week. Liverpool Twitter, sorry. But, you know, when it's just, how can you be so, not everyone, of course, but some people talking about, they don't, I mean, this notion of the criticism that, oh, Liverpool's Twitter account didn't say anything wrong, that city having that
01:12:26
Speaker
that city and those fans having that reputation and saying that without any irony. That's been the main talking point. They deserve the reputation they have. And I'm like, who's been saying that? Just check on Liverpool Twitter. No, not him. But he's not a Liverpool fan. He's just a full time idiot. No, it's and he's a good friend of mine that saw people listening.
01:12:50
Speaker
No, I'm talking about the fallback with some Liverpool fans defending what Liverpool Twitter account did, saying, well, of course, it's going to be language like that. With that fan base and that city having that reputation, what do you expect? I'm like, self-awareness, look it up.
01:13:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's a thing going by yourself a mirror. I've got another one. I've got another one, which was which was brilliant, which is Adrian Del Monte seems to CC me and you into every, every prim face. And I love it. It does half our job for us. We don't have to. People send a lot of I please keep using prim face, prim face hashtag, prim face hashtag on Twitter.
01:13:37
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because I search for that every day and I love the... They send it to us as well and it asks us as well because we read out your name when you do that. It's so funny, so funny. And everybody does love this segment, it does make people laugh. I found that it's Adrian Chiles who is a broadcaster, presenter, journalist. I think you went on the show once actually. Is it Radio 5? No? What is it? BBC Radio 5 Live which is like the main BBC
01:14:06
Speaker
No, it was when Conte was appointed. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway, he's he's a guy. I just don't agree. Yeah, he's a nice guy. He's actually hard. I think he's half Croatian. I was just about to say that. That's what makes it so funny that he would write a column.
Adrian Chiles' Food Comment Debate
01:14:23
Speaker
You should have better taste in food. This is why I found it so ridiculous that you would pen a column called, after three weeks travelling in Europe, I'm calling it. British food is the best!
01:14:39
Speaker
Yeah, no, no, it's not. And I've lived there. And I love the UK. And I love this. I think they have some amazing dishes. But overall, it's not the best thing. Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, they really don't have dishes. They do have some nice, like, dessert. They do have dishes.
01:14:54
Speaker
talking about. No, but I mean, I mean, if you're doing your top 50, like well, then they're not making it, you know, you've got what you've got, you've got fish and chips. No, no, in the whole steak and kidney pipe. I mean, these are these are these are your main ones. Yeah, I like I like that. I'm not saying I mean, I like them all. But I'm saying you're doing your top 50 or top 100. And certainly if you're doing talking about English cuisine and you know, you know, it's not the best. No, it's not the best. And that's the thing. It's not the best in Europe. It's not even close.
01:15:24
Speaker
Nobody comes to England for the food. No, they don't. They come for the pubs and the football and all that other stuff, but not for the food. And I'm not saying that there is nice food in the UK. I've lived there for three and a half years. Scones, I like scones. Yeah, I went to university in the UK and I thought there is nice food everywhere, especially in Wales. I think lamb, they know how to cook it in all its forms and absolutely love it.
01:15:49
Speaker
But I disagree with Adrian Charles. I think Croatia has better food than British florias. Like Balkans generally. I thought that was a little bit. That to me is a little bit prim-facey. And so I'm surprised it coming from him. A little bit. Yeah, it was a massive prim-facey. Let's not sugarcoat it.
01:16:14
Speaker
It really was. OK, right. That's all we have time for today. We will be back on Tuesday. Tomorrow are questions from our patrons every single Tuesday. We take take questions from from our patrons and we answer them. And then we will be back for our Thursday review show where we'll review all the Champions League action. Roma's game on Monday and the other league.
01:16:43
Speaker
Yeah, well, yeah, but we're doing on Thursday, aren't we? Yeah. Oh, you're right. You're sorry. Sorry. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, all the other talking points that come, there'll probably be a lot more fallout to discuss as well. Alegre could be sacked by then. If, you know, in your dreams there is. That would be fantastic, wouldn't it? I'm kind of torn. Like, you know, do I want Benfica to win just to get Alegre out? Oh, come on. I mean, I don't know. It's a difficult one.
01:17:13
Speaker
No, it's not difficult at all. What are you talking about? Do you want your team to lose because you hate the manager so much?
Juventus Strategy & Allegri's Future
01:17:20
Speaker
Because I'm looking at the bigger picture and the longer term. And the bigger picture of you going out on the group stage. Well, I know there's no hope for this club for as long as Allegri's there, so I'd rather... You're such a drama queen. There is no hope for Juventus with Allegri. What the hell? No, there is. But we'll debate this further on Thursday after Juventus lose to Benfica.
01:17:44
Speaker
Brilliant. Okay, right. That's all we have time for, guys. Thanks for listening. Apologies, massive apologies for some of the swearing. Yeah, we need to make this, we need to make this, like, make this, put the E next to this. Yeah, we should probably put a warning, shouldn't we? We should put an 18. What do they put now? E explicit.
01:18:03
Speaker
Parental advisory, explicit content. Remember that on all the CDs he used to buy? Yeah, I was going to say, that's what they put on all the American rap. Exactly. And you know, if that sticker wasn't there, parental advisory, explicit lyrics, you wouldn't buy it. No, no, no. We should start putting that on him. We shouldn't. OK, thanks everybody. We'll see you soon. Ciao ciao.
01:18:32
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