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Atalanta Draw PSG, Lazio Struggling, and Fiorentina's Future (Ep. 50)
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Match Recap: Atalanta vs Juventus
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the Seria show!
00:00:16
Speaker
Hello, everybody. We are back for another episode of the CEDA show. We hope you are doing well. Chloe Nima, incredible week. Again, with these multiple matches per week, it's really difficult to like stay up to date and sort of think back to what happened. But all lies, it seemed like, were on Atalata Juve, which again, in terms of entertainment, I don't know if you're getting much better than Atalata at the moment. It ends two to two.
00:00:45
Speaker
Nima, I'll just start with the penalties. You were awarded two of them. I will let you take this because I saw your tweets. I know you were you feel very strongly about this. So take it away. No, I do. I do. And the thing is that, look, they're both clear penalties based on how the rules are today. And, you know, I don't like the rules. I think they're, you know, they're a bit they need clarification because right now there's
00:01:10
Speaker
I mean, the fans don't know what's going on. It doesn't seem to, and that's fine. But as long as the players and the coaches and people involved in football do, but they don't seem to know either. And the referees don't seem to know. And there's a discrepancy between every game or, you know, earlier in the season and now.
Penalty Controversies and Rule Interpretations
00:01:26
Speaker
And that's the issue for me. It's the lack of consistency and clear interpretation and application of the rule. And, but both are penalties. I think, I mean, the excellent Luca Marelli who I, you know, it's worth learning Italian just to follow him.
00:01:40
Speaker
is quite simply, he explained it so brilliantly in his homepage and blog post why that is a penalty, both penalties. I mean, the Muriel one, he said, he barely spent three seconds on that. He was like, look at the picture, that's a penalty. And so to me, there's not much to talk about. But I mean, there's no doubt that Atalanta have reasons to feel
00:02:09
Speaker
you know, disappointed because they were much better than you, but they completely dominated that game. Much to my surprise, to be honest, I didn't think they would be that dominant. I didn't think they would dominate, but they really did. Chloe, what did you make of it? As Nima just said, I thought Atalanta were better. I think it'd be very difficult to argue against that. Were they hard done by that final result? It's difficult because a lot of us are rooting for Atalanta and I guess that's what
00:02:36
Speaker
made the penalties difficult to swallow for some people. But like Nima said, according to the rules, those were two penalties. You can't say otherwise. And, you know, I actually don't mind the rule in the fact that it does take away, you know, this like in the past where we were saying, was it ball to hand or was it, you know, that kind of
00:03:03
Speaker
It seemed very ambiguous in the past and it does now make it more clear. The only problem is, as ever in Italy, the referees, even though it's their job, don't seem to know the rules.
00:03:19
Speaker
Not that it should be really, really clear, right? If your arms are away from your body and the ball hits any part of your arm from your shoulder downwards is a penalty. So you've got to keep your arms in line with your body, you've got to keep them behind your back or whatever so that you don't get a penalty awarded against you.
00:03:41
Speaker
But in
Juventus and Rule Development Critique
00:03:42
Speaker
the Fiorentina match, not that it really mattered, because Fiorentina are obviously not going anywhere mid-table, there was a very clear incident that was the same exactly as what had happened in the UVA match that didn't get given. And it's not conspiracy, it's not anything, because this was, let's face it, a pretty meaningless game.
00:04:03
Speaker
it's just that the referees are not doing their job properly when it's been made really much simpler for them and that's what the annoying thing for me.
00:04:12
Speaker
Yeah, so the thing that bothered me was there were some neutrals who, when they saw those two penalties awarded, they kept saying, oh, typical, Juve. I saw them bring up Calcho Poli. And it's like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now, listen, I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next person. But we have to remember, Juve have been on the receiving end of this rule because, hold on, if you want to take issue with the rule,
00:04:40
Speaker
You're complaining to the wrong person. It's not the city of referees. Go over to IFAB. They're the ones who are the enemy in this. Yeah, yeah. They're the ones who came up with it. Well, we've seen you van the receiving end of this one a number of times. Did we forget what happened against Milan? Yeah, the week before. And if anybody is looking for somebody who is receiving a lot of penalties,
00:05:04
Speaker
We know where to look, don't we? And it's not Uwe. Well, it's not in Milan and Turin. It's not in any of those cities. Oh, boy. No, but seriously, I mean, no, but seriously, I mean, I think I find it ridiculous. I mean, look, I think a good friend of ours, David Amuel said it best. I don't understand why when he says that. Why do you waste your time watching a league if you think it's rigged?
00:05:29
Speaker
And I got to agree with that like this isn't the 1990s that was so in your face and what happened happened afterwards, right? But this is this is not how it is because it clearly is goes against some teams and for some teams back and forth and and and it's I really I really don't see any
00:05:48
Speaker
Malfeide, as the Italians say. I don't see any malicious behavior here. I see incompetence. And I see a league that, as John always so brilliantly says, can't get out of its own way. And the communication that they are the worst at communicating. And we have so many examples of that. And I just find it so draining to listen to this. And I just hope that now I read that Colina is getting involved. And I'm happy.
00:06:17
Speaker
I'm happy. Whenever Pierluigi Colino gets involved, it's good because the guy is brilliant. And I hear that he's getting involved and he's educating himself personally. I think he's kind of, you know, sidestepping, not sidestepping, but he's kind of running over Rizzoli here who is useless. Let's be honest.
00:06:33
Speaker
So I think he's going to basically take matters into his own hands and say, look, dear children, this is a penalty. This is not a penalty. Are we all on the same page here? And that's good. That's good. That can only be good for the league. You're not going to take any shit from him, are you?
00:06:50
Speaker
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like, you know, I think it was, I think it was Mehmet Scholl in Bayern Munich who said he was afraid of God and Oliver Khan. I'd say I'm afraid of God and Luigi Colina. Like, he's that stare. Like, he could break you down by just looking at you hardly, like in that way. So, no. So I think it's a good, I think, you know, we should remember this is the first year of this rule. It's much more clear now than it was before.
00:07:17
Speaker
I think that they will, you know, when he gets involved and the competent people get involved and fix it, I think this could actually go out and turn out really well in the end. You guys
Atalanta's Unlikely Success and Future Prospects
00:07:26
Speaker
brought up this whole Atalato winning the Champions League thing, okay? Yes, we did. They drew PSG. So listen, okay, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm also not not saying it's impossible. Are you changing your tune? Yeah, I was going to pay.
00:07:42
Speaker
Okay, here's the thing, okay? Atalanta are a very well-oiled machine, okay? But in the end, Palomino is still Palomino. I just, all these names, if you look at some of these guys that are playing these huge roles for them in the team, it's so weird because it's not like any of them have had stellar careers, right? I mean, I look at somebody like Rafael Taloy. He was at Roma. They had an option to buy him. They didn't activate it. He returned to Brazil for a couple of years, and then he goes to Atalanta.
00:08:12
Speaker
It's no, it's not meant as an insult, but certainly not a career where you're like, oh my God, Atalanta, they have this guy who played it, you know, Real Madrid or something. It's just very weird to me that they have this, it's like a cast of throwaway toys. Yeah, it is, it really is.
00:08:30
Speaker
are in this place at this singular moment and it's just working. And part of me thinks that regardless of how absurd I think the possibility of them winning the champions like actually is, I wouldn't put anything past them because there is something there. I don't want anybody to send bangs bow jokes. I'm not referring to bangs bow or any sort of doping when I say that. But seriously, it's weird because again, guys like Pasalic,
00:08:59
Speaker
Who was that, Chelsea? He gets sent on 300,000 different loan spells, but at Atalanta, it just works. I just don't understand it. That's the thing. It's so interesting. That's a really interesting point you bring up because you can say that about everyone from Gasperini, who's been everywhere, failed at Inter, was the youth team. Palermo. I mean, this guy... Yeah, and he did good at Genoa, but here he's peaking. You can say the same thing about...
00:09:28
Speaker
Papa gomez who was a catanya and then he was in russia and then he comes back to atalanta and turns out to be fantastic elichic you know decent at palermo or a good at fear and tina explodes here i mean all these places exactly like you say it's like that show when i was growing up to throw away toys where they just.
00:09:47
Speaker
You know, all of them just, they just work together. The Raggy Dolls, do you mean? The Raggy Dolls, yeah. Oh my God, that was so good. I love that show when I was a kid. That is Atalanta from now on, the Raggy Dolls. The Raggy Dolls. And it really works. And they play some damn good football. I mean, look at Muriel.
00:10:08
Speaker
It's just weird because all these guys, it's not like you have a superstar who excelled at another huge club. You have all of these guys who, by all standards and measurements,
00:10:20
Speaker
They're not bad players, but none of them are out of this world, or at least they haven't shown it anywhere else. But here they are at this time, at this place, at this club, in Bergamo of all places. But for this, this thing, I'm doing the air quotes, this thing to be happening in Bergamo at Atalanta, a club that has yo-yoed up and down between the Serie A and Serie B for how many years? For this to be taking place there is still mind blowing to me. Mind blowing.
00:10:49
Speaker
But I was gonna say I mean if you think about like if after hurricane Katrina and the Super Bowl like in American sports New Orleans won the Super Bowl after that and if you think about how I mean the bergamot was the city that was hit the hardest
00:11:02
Speaker
um by the corona virus and and you know i mean i don't know there's just so much so much going on there and and and i mean you know again duvan zapata rejected firmly by napoli did all right at santoria comes to atalanta and turns into some sort of
00:11:21
Speaker
I don't know, some sort of poor man's Lukaku Lukaku. I mean, that goal was vintage Zapata, vintage, muscling somebody off. I mean, it's incredible to me that the level that they're playing at all of these individuals, the level that they're at collectively is incredible to me. I can't get past it. It's the same story with the players that they've sold as well. Like they all did brilliantly well while they were playing at Atlanta. But I don't think anybody that they've sold in the last couple of years is really
00:11:51
Speaker
worked out when you think Gal Jardini, Spinnat Sola, Comtee. Okay, Jesse is playing well at the moment, but... He's really depressed by that one, John. Oh my God. But these were all brilliant, brilliant guys when they were at the Atlanta, and the big clubs wanted them, and now they've gone. Caldera, Caldera, another one. Yeah, and he's back now, and he's playing well again.
00:12:18
Speaker
It is the Raggy dolls. They are the Raggy dolls. I think we really... We just need to work out who is SadSack, the one that's the one that's the one we didn't think. To be honest. It's probably Gasparini. I was going to say. Okay, but okay, we know the draw now. They've got PSG. All right, now we can't sit here and pretend that PSG has an attack anywhere near
00:12:43
Speaker
anything they faced in the Serie A. I think we at least have to acknowledge that. But I have to tell you, they're going to be facing a team that, regardless of what people tell you, I just don't know how you can remotely be even close to being informed. After your season ends, you're going to be playing non-competitive friendlies.
00:13:02
Speaker
And this is like if you could pick a month where you would not want to face this Atalanta team.
Atalanta's Style Against European Giants
00:13:08
Speaker
I mean, barring major injuries, barring two or three catastrophic injuries, this is going to be tougher for them than they think. And I've seen people do a couple of things. I've seen people maybe overate Atalanta a little bit, and I've seen people maybe
00:13:24
Speaker
underrate PSG, overrate PSG, while also underrating and or overrating at the latte. It's very weird. So you're getting in on both ends. I like their chances. I'm just going to say I like their chances against PSG. They may, they may get pummeled seven to zero, but I like the chances. It's okay to change your mind.
00:13:43
Speaker
No, I'm not changing my mind. I don't think they will win the Champions League. No, no, we didn't say that. We said that we were there. We think they have a good chance to win our dark course. And I still think that. And I think this draw, if anything, I've spoken to Chloe and we kind of agree in this that.
00:13:57
Speaker
PSG suits them so well. It's an attacking team. They will have acres of space to attack as well. This game can go anywhere. This game could have five, five, six, six. Honestly, it really could. Sorry, if you think about it this way, for PSG, they've had more than a month of not playing. It's like in a normal season, having your normal break.
00:14:26
Speaker
and then having your pre-season couple of friendlies and then straight bang into a Champions League quarter-final, it's crazy for them. I don't know, you see the level of teams and you saw the level of play on the first couple of Serie A games after the break. It wasn't that good and it's taken a little while to improve and I think PSG are going to struggle in that respect because they've not played competitive games in a long time.
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree. And two, I don't know if you saw like the way it worked out, but if they can get past PSG. You see, that's where I think they'll struggle because you see that I think I've atletico Madrid get through. They, I mean, Simeone has this ability to completely shut down teams and games. And, and that's, that'll be, I think they will struggle there a lot.
00:15:17
Speaker
I think for me, not because I think Atletico are a better team than PSG, but I think just because of the style they have, I think Atletico Madrid doesn't suit Atalanta as good as PSG does. And I think if they play them, they will struggle.
COVID-19's Impact and Positive Coaching
00:15:31
Speaker
I don't know. What do you think, Chloe?
00:15:35
Speaker
I think in a lot of ways, obviously only teams, Italian teams, but other teams have tried to stifle Atalanta and the way that they attack is not really like the way any other side attacks and they sort of go forward hunting in packs and in numbers. Yeah, they really do.
00:15:58
Speaker
to try and stifle that I think would be very difficult because if you write will shut down this player will then another player pops up you know they've got this like
00:16:10
Speaker
They just come at you and come at you and it's relentless. And it's in so many different ways. Yeah. And then, you know, you just think, all right, I think we've got the measure on the game. And he brings on three subs and it's like Zapata, Illichich and Malinowski.
00:16:29
Speaker
And you're like, what the hell? God, the shot on Malinowski. Jesus. Yeah. What a player. He is so good. But that's the thing, too. You don't know what to make of these guys individually, because if your club buys them, you just have that thought in the back of your head. Like, what is the bad of them all? Like, what is that extra oomph that they get there that probably won't be delivered at your club? And maybe I'm just saying that, because I have some of the worst PTSD with Brian Christate, who is
00:16:59
Speaker
without a question, one of the most useless players I've ever seen in my life. What is he doing as a central defender in the back three? What did I just witness last week, like the other week? Well, it's hilarious because he played behind the striker at Atalanta. He scores nine goals. Roma purchase him. They put him as a mediano, which is like a defensive midfielder. Then they put him as central defender. So a few more weeks, he might be between the posts.
00:17:23
Speaker
I really don't know, but it's incredible. You don't know whether these guys are fool's gold or whether like it's so hard and it's very unfair to them, to a lot of them, because I think a lot of them are talented, but I don't know. It's just so crazy to me that all of them are making this work. It's so weird that the only players that, not the only players, but the biggest examples of former Atalanta players who are actually doing well at other clubs,
00:17:50
Speaker
are players that didn't fit and got to play in Atalanta, Bastoni, Kouluszewski. I mean, it's so weird. It just reinforces the raggy doll thing even more, I think. Well, I have to say, Gianluca Machini and Ibanez. That's true.
Management Models in Serie A
00:18:07
Speaker
Ibanez is this guy that they purchased.
00:18:10
Speaker
Roma purchased him from Atalanta in January, and I think he made one appearance for the club in the time he was there. And he's done phenomenally well in his last three starts with Roma. He's been really, really good. But Mancini's been good too.
00:18:26
Speaker
And he's, and he's, and he's, and he's the glaring exception that confirmed the rule. Cause he played a lot for at the lumpen. Right. Right. All right. Well, this is going to make Chloe happy because Lazio earned free fall. They lose.
00:18:47
Speaker
Come on, come on. They lose to the Wonder Boy, Robetto Dizzarrabi, who... Please stop comparing everybody who has possession-based football to Pep. Please, because I saw that comparison at least half a dozen times over the weekend. Please stop. Please, just stop, okay? I don't know whether that match said more about Sasuolo or Lazio, but first off, Inzaki is back to his ways of moaning a lot, and I don't like it.
00:19:14
Speaker
I love it. I love his crankiness. It doesn't bother me anymore because I just love how cranky he gets. I mean, he just sulks like a child and it's so funny. But does he not see it coincides with the team on a downward trajectory? When he starts, the team get worse.
00:19:34
Speaker
Well, maybe he needs to look, because that's what Konta does. And he can suck the energy out of a room that's already drained of energy. And that never did anybody any favors. And that's what they don't understand any of these guys, I think. And I think that they need to be the voice of positivity and give these players confidence and not sit and sulk in the corner. I think that that's exactly what Konta does as well, when he's at his absolute worst.
00:20:03
Speaker
you know, when he starts sulking and it just, it becomes a negative spiral and it can easily spiral out of control. And they need to understand that, that they need to, sometimes you can yell, you can scream, you can sulk, but you also have to remember that you need to change the mentality as well. And I think that's where, that's the next step that Inzaghi needs to take to really become the great manager that we all think, I think agree he could become or already has the talent to be.
00:20:30
Speaker
If you look at it though, no, it's okay. If you look at it, after the stop, the three-month stop, the coaches that have done really, really well are all the ones who've got a good positive attitude. Gattuso, Gasp, Deserbe,
00:20:55
Speaker
And I think after a period of, you think these footballers, they're very much in the routine during the season. They go to training, they play a match, they do some recovery, they have a day off, then they start training again for the next match. And they're in this bubble, they're in this very set routine, and that must keep their minds occupied. And then all of a sudden, when you're not expecting it,
00:21:24
Speaker
football is cancelled and you don't know how long for and you're just kind of in this no man's land and then all of a sudden you have to start playing again and I think following that crisis the the ones who have nurtured the players they've they've had a good attitude and said come on we can turn this around and you know galvanize the players are the ones that have done well and the ones that have moaned like containing ragi
00:21:52
Speaker
I've done really, really badly since the restart. And I do think it's in response to that crisis period, that period that wasn't normal for anybody at all. And some of them had the virus as well. Another guy that's doing very well is Ranieri since the stop, and he's another positive coach. So I do think that is having an effect at the moment.
00:22:17
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great point. I think we have to talk about those Sasuolo because they're, I think they're rightly starting to get the attention of many who don't even follow Siria that closely, to be honest. So I think it's easy to talk about guys like Boga, who everybody, if you watch the Siria, I mean, this is a guy who's captured your attention, incredible dribbler. But again, they're another side who they seem to be getting a lot from these like miscasts.
00:22:47
Speaker
who have had problems elsewhere. Like Toyan, I know his agent pretty well. Absolutely failed at Borussia Dortmund. Now he's doing great with Sasuolo. Locatelli, I mean Milan, they rushed him out the door. He's doing great now. I mean, Nima, what do you make of this Sasuolo side? Because again, I mean, they're doing fantastic. I mean, we should note that the only other team except for Atalanta to have three players who scored double digits is Sasuolo.
00:23:18
Speaker
Caputo, Boga, and what's his name who alludes me now? Let me know, I can't remember if it's Berardi, but I remember I was looking at him. Oh yeah, he said Caputo already.
00:23:36
Speaker
Caputo's like 45 years old. I mean, we want to talk about a late bloomer. My goodness. Yeah. I mean, he did say well for Empley, didn't he? Yes, he did. He did very well for Empley. Yeah. I didn't think moving to Sasuolo that he would do as well as he has done, really. I mean, I guess the only... Sasuolo were top of the form table, by the way, along with Atalanta in the last five games.
00:24:01
Speaker
And the only thing I can think and compare apart from Deserbe doing a great job is the fact that they've got Saswello and Aslan to have got their shit together off the pitch. They own their own stadiums. And I know Squinzy, the president of Saswello died recently, but I guess his family are carrying it on.
00:24:26
Speaker
Mape the company of Squinzy is heavily involved in sponsorship and stuff and they haven't got a massive fan base but they are really well run and maybe the cream is rising to the top in that respect
Serie A Relegation Battle Excitement
00:24:42
Speaker
in Syria. For sure. I think speaking of
00:24:48
Speaker
Like weirdness imagine remember we've said this so many times remember a year about a year ago when you were thinking of getting rid of Paulo de Bala and now he's turned out to be as Brilliant as he's ever been and they've just you know news breaking now that they're gonna give him a new contract and making the captain What a difference at 12. Yeah, yeah It's mad, isn't it? So no, it's just like you say I mean, it's like you guys say it's this this season has been weird for so many reasons and it's I
00:25:16
Speaker
A lot of weird stuff has happened. And to your point there about the positivity, Chloe, Konta started winning again after he started moaning and started giving TLC to his players and his surroundings. I mean, it didn't look so good against Hellas. He could have come out and ripped them all a new one, but he didn't. And instead, they showed up against Torino. And yesterday, when we were recording this on a Tuesday,
00:25:41
Speaker
And they showed up yesterday, and they really, really did well. And they turned it around. So I think we're really on to something. Yeah, I don't know what it is. And I blame that Torino loss for anybody who missed my tweet on this. The manager of Torino, Moreno Longo, he tweeted out, or he put it on Instagram, I think, a picture of like a stain on a wall. And he goes, oh, Padre Pio appeared to me.
00:26:09
Speaker
Get out of here. Get out of here. Go look at my tweet. Go look at my tweet. He put it on Instagram. So maybe he didn't pray hard enough. But Torino, Chloe, you talked about him long ago, some time ago. What in the hell were they thinking appointing this guy? I don't know. OK, so you you clearly have I'm on the record as saying Mazzarri is a guy I despise for many reasons. Most of them don't even have anything to do with the way he plays football. I just think he's
00:26:39
Speaker
as a human, I just think he's a whatever. But my God, they're barely above, they're barely above the relegation zone. They play horrible football, they play dreadful football, and they appoint a manager who looks like he has no idea what in the world he is doing. He looks so out of his depth, I genuinely feel bad for him.
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, I just I think they must have gotten because he was cheap or something. I have no idea why they appointed him and why they thought he might be able to do a good job. He's just not got he's just not got the right experience. He's not proven. He's you know, the biggest club he's been at is frozen only. And that was only for one year. I just there was surely so many better options to
00:27:30
Speaker
see the rest of the season out in a fairly smooth fashion, even if you want to bring someone else in for the start of next season. But that was just a totally bizarre appointment. I don't know if they thought they found the new deserbe or something. I really would like to see, speaking of that, I would really like to see Padre Pioli himself take over Torino next season.
00:27:57
Speaker
No, I really, really, really would like to see him do that. I think he could do a job there. I think that's his level. And I think that given how he is as a person and positivity and all that, I think he could do a good job there.
00:28:13
Speaker
because he's not staying at Milan. It's clear that it's Ragnik who's taken over and they're talking, you know, we've spoken about in the past how disrespectful that is to Pioli and the team that's there. But it seems that like you were talking about last week, last episode, last week, that Ibrahimovic is not happy with how life is going.
00:28:29
Speaker
Oh, that interview was hilarious. It really was. So I love when he's in that mood. You know, when he's in that talking about himself in the third person and I'm doing everything here from president to player, but I only get paid for being a player. Yeah. OK, so the thing is people.
00:28:51
Speaker
I can see both sides of it. It's like, okay, guy, you're, you're 38 years old. You still prefer to yourself in the third person. Let's, let's dial it back a little bit. But first off, it's also the year 2020. You can't really take everything he says seriously, which is funny to see people get. Oh my God. Right. That's exactly it. But he is speaking the truth when.
00:29:13
Speaker
I think at the heart of what he was trying to get at was this whole thing with Rydanyek has been ridiculous. It's been played out. And I don't think there's anybody who would disagree with that. I mean, they still haven't even appointed the guy yet. I mean, what are you doing? And then you have to drop Maldini out there before the matches to give these awkward interviews.
00:29:35
Speaker
knowing full well he's not going to be a part of the project moving forward. It's the same thing with the sporting director Masara. I mean, could this have been mismanaged any worse? Not even if you tried it, like not even if you did it on purpose, could you make a bigger mess?
00:29:50
Speaker
And that's why I think that so much credit should be given to Pioli for what he's doing. I think he's just doing it to piss them off right now. He's like, right, I'll show you. But the fact is that next season, if Pioli and whom I'm thinking of, the previous guy,
00:30:13
Speaker
Yeah, sorry, I had a mental blank there. If Paoli and Gianpaolo don't get a job with another club and Rangnik is in charge, they're effectively going to be paying three coaches next season. Because Gianpaolo and Paoli were both appointed on two year deals. Why did they do that if they were going to bring in Rangnik? It just makes no sense. It just, it just highlights the point that they don't know what they're doing. And there's no real plan.
00:30:40
Speaker
I mean, that's the thing. I mean, what Skaroni and Gazidis are doing in terms of the business side is pretty good, and in terms of the stadium and that. But they don't, they seem clueless as to how to run a sporting project. And I think that's why, I think one of the good things that, one of the many good things Zooning have done is to have a CEO for the sporting side, Marotta, and have a CEO for the business and corporate side, Antonello. So they work with completely different things, but they work next to each other.
00:31:08
Speaker
But the thing I find most weird is Ranyik, we don't know if he's the manager, if he's a sporting director, if he's a director, a football technical director, whatever title it may be. I just find the whole thing weird because Gadzides, didn't he try this with Wenger and Arsenal and what did that work out? Yeah, exactly. That ended well, didn't it?
00:31:31
Speaker
Well, I guess what an antiquated footballing model that is, I would think most of the clubs are in England, they're actually trying to do what we can't say this too often, but they're trying to adopt more of a model what they're doing in the city. Yeah, right. I mean, we see all these clubs trying to appoint a sporting director. It's just weird to me that that gets zedis would see
00:31:53
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some sort of value in having that model in the city. I really don't understand it. I don't get it.
Fiorentina's Strategic Moves and Future
00:32:00
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Why would you get somebody to do both jobs? I mean, apart from anything, it gives them too much power, doesn't it? I mean, if they sign all the players that they want themselves to play, and then if that guy fails,
00:32:20
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Not only you've got to pay the rest of his contract up, you're stuck with a load of players that the new guy isn't going to want. For sure. It just makes no sense. Agreed.
00:32:31
Speaker
Yeah, I don't understand it at all. And again, the way it is played out, if it was any other guy, other than Maldini, I'd say, all right, whatever, just chalk it up to mismanage them. But this has been nothing short of a colossal failure, which is a shame because they've done extremely well following the break. For sure. Yes, I don't understand. Rebic, Rebic, Rebic is looking so darn darn good. And Ben Nasser, God, I love him. What a player he is. And we talk about
00:32:59
Speaker
I mean, talk about the right player in the right position. I mean, Milan have got, you know, and the thing is they need to sort that redemption clause out. It's only 50, 60 million, something like that. And with, you know, with Don Aruma's contract, I think for me, if I were Milan, I'd make sure just to sort that situation out first. Yeah. Before, before, you know, trying to buy other players, because that needs to be removed. You need to raise Ben Acer's minimum release clause to at least
00:33:26
Speaker
twice as much as that or remove it or remove it. Perfect segue because talking about sorting things out Chloe you got a front row seat to watch Amrabbat of Verona. Wow. Put on, oh man. Yeah. There's so few that we could say about this guy. Wow. Now listen Nima and I especially have a very um unique relationship with Verona not only as a team but
00:33:52
Speaker
the stadium, city, entire region of Veneto, I guess you could say at this point, even though I'm from there. They don't play this great football, which is weird because Jorich, their manager, he is a Gasparini prodigy, I guess you could call him. They don't have anywhere near the flashy players that Atalata have or players with anywhere near the technical ability that Atalata possessed. But Amrabbat, oh, my God. So good.
00:34:22
Speaker
Chloe, I think Fiorentina, regardless of this season, you bring Amrabbat back and I really genuinely think you have five to six pieces that you could build off that can make a genuine race for the Champions League next season. I really do think that.
00:34:40
Speaker
Yeah, I think having Ann Rabat and if they can get the coach right, make the right appointment, get rid of sulking Federico Chiesa, who is just at this point an annoyance.
00:34:57
Speaker
Hold on, I have to interrupt you. They're not actually thinking about appointing Daniela De Rossi, right? No, I don't know where that rumor came from. It was the Mario guys who put it out and I was like, I couldn't believe my eyeballs when I saw that. No, I mean, maybe they had a conversation, maybe they spoke. I don't know. Maybe it was with a view to him.
00:35:21
Speaker
coaching the youth team or I don't know how it's become distorted but I really don't think that that's what they're planning to do and I can see in some ways I can see the thinking behind Appointing going for somebody that's different because they've tried the same old same old people You just don't want to go around that merry-go-round again
00:35:43
Speaker
But, and Fiorentina are not at the point where they could, even though they're backed by money, they couldn't really get somebody top level. So maybe it was a sort of a thinking out loud, out of the box kind of moment. But, you know, he's got no, he's not even got his coaching badges. So, no. Yeah. No, I mean, for me, the way I look at it, I think, you know, Amrabad, Castroville,
00:36:13
Speaker
Poulgar and if it's true that they want Nangolan, I mean that's... Milenkoevich. Milenkoevich. Yeah, I mean the poet Rlyrola and I think to me this is more and more and again I'm not trolling you, I honestly think Spalefi could do an absolutely brilliant job. Yeah, yeah, like after all, after everything you do, at the moment, at the moment why Fiorentina are, you think
00:36:38
Speaker
Okay, with all his antics, he's not exactly the guy to win you the league, but that's not what Fiorentina are looking to do right now. He probably, you know, he's going to annoy the shit out of me, it really is. I'm about to pull guard. I mean, Jesus, that is a damn good starting point in the middle of the pitch. For me, it would be absolute footballing, assault, crimes, whatever.
00:37:03
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to a point that I'll see. I genuinely think that you have a good base here and you don't even have to bring in huge names. I think you just need complementary pieces. I agree. Okay. You sell, you sell Kiesa. I mean, that could get you two to three very good players that you could insert into the starting 11 right away. Again, Petzella, Milenkovic, Dragowski. I mean, you're pretty much set at the back. I just, I don't... You need a proven goal scorer more than anything.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yes, yes, just don't don't do that. Just don't do it. I think it's not to me. No, I know. I'm just saying the pieces are there. I think people are looking at people are looking at this field and Tina side and they're looking at where they are on their table and think, oh, my God, they're shit. They're they're not. They're they're really not. They have a lot of pieces that they can build upon. I think I think having Dorothea at Fiorentina is some people's idea of a hipster dream.
00:38:01
Speaker
I think that's what it is. You know, it's not, they are a real football club, you can't just experiment. No, for sure. I mean, for me, when you're talking football hipster, there's no bigger name in management than Marco Rose. Oh, come on. It's to me, that's such a hipster name to go with.
00:38:20
Speaker
But I mean, he's doing well, so why not? I just wanted to talk about my fetish, as you call it. I knew it. Come on. It's already set. It's already set. Okay. Yeah, it is going down. Let's share going down. Yeah, exactly. I was just going to say, and it's looking really exciting between them. I think it's the lecture general thing.
00:38:43
Speaker
It's going to be really exciting. It's going to seem like ancient history. But was I correct? I wasn't in a coma or in a dream when Genoa appointed Tiago Malta this season, right? That actually happened. That happened. The three six one from 2020. I just want to say that this weekend on Sunday at half past seven C.E.T. Genoa play lecture. I'm not going to be missing that.
00:39:10
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tune in very brilliant football come on it's going to be exciting it's going to be really exciting and tonight to Roma Inter
00:39:20
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Yeah, I completely agree. All right, everyone. Well, there you have it for the relegation race. Yeah, that matches on Sunday. I'm sure that'll be a real cracker. So we'll be we'll be back next week. We'll discuss everything that has happened this past week. So as always, continue to like, subscribe. It really helps us leave us reviews. We would greatly, greatly appreciate it. So talk to you next week. Bye bye.