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Salukis and German Shepherds with Jonny Devaney - Ep 08
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In this episode, David chats with good friend and guest Jonny Devaney.
David had interviewed Jonny on the David Ian Howe Show a few months ago and on that episode talked about possibly doing another, and being one of the first guests on Ethnocynology.
David and Jonny begin the episode by catching up and talking about dogs. And then Jonny begins his deep dive into his obsession with Salukis and begins their very interesting history.
After the break, David talks about facts about German Shepherds.
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Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
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You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network.
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And so we we're here with episode eight of ethnocynology. Sorry about talking about my deceased dog last time. This will be a lot more uplifting. ah We have my friend, Johnny Devaney, who you know from the David Ian Howe show or his, you probably know him more from his skits on YouTube and TikTok and ah ah Instagram. yeah it just The, my YouTube video that has like, what, 8,000 views with you is probably the biggest you know thing you've ever done in your life. I think so. Probably, at least to my mom. Anyway, so Johnny and I had this idea of, we're just going to talk about dog facts and I'm going to let him just roll, but you want to say hi or, you know, what's up? Hey everybody, I'm Johnny. nice Nice to see you again if you're here for the second time and nice to meet you if you're here for the first time.
00:01:02
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well you Damn, for the listeners, he just did the click, wink thing. I did. All right. but He's wearing a Christmas sweater. This is Fender, which I appreciate, not Gibson. Gibson, you can get out of here, dude. yeah what What about Taylor? Are you okay with Taylor? Taylor's a okay. I'm more of a Martin guy, but Taylor sounds good. I'll go fuck myself.
00:01:22
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Okay. So we're going to talk about ah facts. Oh, so the homework, do you want to explain it? Yeah. No, you go. It's your show. It's your show. Okay. Okay.
Exploring Dog Breeds: Salukis and German Shepherds
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The homework was that him and I are both dog guys on the internet. So we were like, we should probably know things about dogs. So the homework was to come in and get, do facts and research on a specific breed.
00:01:44
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I picked German Shepherds and he picked, what was it? I picked Salukis. Oh, right. Cause he's a Saluki kid. I love it. So I want to let Johnny just roll with Salukis. And here's the thing, right if we're wrong, please let us know in the comments or send me a strongly rewarded email to David at Davidynow.com. Lots of swears. You can DM me too. I won't read it. I'll just cry. But yeah, just let me know. OK. right. So Salukis, if you don't know what a Saluki is, David's going to put one up on the screen, please. Got it. All right. All right. So I wrote this in grade 10 when I learned what ah this place was. If your a loved one has ever been diagnosed with Mesopotamia, you may be entitled to an ancient civilization. Symptoms include agriculture, organized religion, writing things down, math and a king named Gilgamesh that will bang your wife.
00:02:37
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Thank you, that's my opener. Wow. I'm not going to throw this. That was awesome, dude. Thanks, dude. And you wrote that in grade 10? What is grade 10? Is that ninth grade for us? Are you dumb? There's grade 10. So it's 10th grade for us. Yeah. We have the same. We're not, I'm not English. I don't do like year 10 and all that shit. Okay. I just know from trailer park boys, he's like, I got to get my grade 10 or whatever. So it is, it's equivalent. Okay. wow they're They're out in like Nova Scotia. They're weird over there. That's true. They're better than Ontarians, but uh,
00:03:10
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Yeah, anyway, so Mesopotamia, you know it, you love it, and we thank our entire existence for Mesopotamia because they gave us the most important thing.
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ah some dickhead that can't smelt copper properly. Oh right. That guy is the most roasted dude in history. Oh man. I feel so bad. Just the time it took to write out a tablet, just talking shit about your copper. Tough. Anyway, so 20,000 years ago, we domesticated dogs ish. Probably that's what you said in your video. I take it as gospel. So About 10,000 years ago, people were like, I hate hunting. I hate gathering. I'd rather plant some shit in the ground and ah eat that. And so everyone's like, actually, that sounds like a really good idea. We're going to join you and we're going to create what's called civilization. And so here we are in ancient Sumer, ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Babylonia. Yeah, that's one. Yeah.
00:04:18
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This is where the Saluki would have emerged as a breed. One of the oldest cities in ancient Mesopotamia was the city of Sumer, about a 6000 year old city. The Sumerians were through and through dog people. The oldest piece of writing was the Epic of Gilgamesh, which shows the goddess Ishtar. And she, while it's not depicted in the epiccail Epic of Gilgamesh, there are a lot of statues that we found.
00:04:44
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I have links for this, I'll send you everything. Sure. Where it's her and seven of her prized dogs. I have seven dogs here with me today, so you can call me Ishtar if you want. Yeah. But one thing to note is that all of the dogs had collars and leashes, and a lot of people think that the Egyptians invented collars.
00:05:05
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You're stupid. It was the Sumerians. They're starting to learn things here. Ish starting to learn. Yup. Hell yeah. All right. So ancient Mesopotamia is the first time we really see dogs being used for jobs. You got your guard dogs, you got your livestock dogs, right and you've got your hunting dogs. This is where the saluki comes in, baby. Because this thing,
00:05:33
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I will send you this video. I want you to put it up right here as I'm talking. okay This is the craziest video I've ever seen. It's the fastest dog I've ever seen. Just chasing down a gazelle. Oh, there's a bloodhound. There's a bloodhound in the car just like barking them in with encouragement. And it's just three, I think it's three Salukis and they're just hauling ass, ripping it to get a gazelle. And it's, it's so sick. It's really under gazelle. That's crazy. Yeah. That's what, that's what their main shtick is because I guess, I don't know,
00:06:03
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You take like the wolves, you start like whatever, whatever. We're moving down to hotter places. Let's get rid of all that fur. Oh, let's make them taller. Let's make them leaner so they can run faster through the desert. And then I guess somebody was just like, actually, I want really pretty ears and a really pretty tail, but I want to keep the fast juice. And so hunting in the Middle East would have required extreme skill. Can you shut up lightsaber? Sorry, that's my lightsaber.
00:06:30
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I respect everything that's happening right now. What a shit show. Hunting. Oh, yeah. My dog's blind now. I don't know if we talked about that. Oh, yeah. Life update. Yeah. My dog has no eyes. He can't see his dog. I can't see mine. No way. Your dog can't. but
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His dog can't see, I can't see. There we go. Oh, Jesus. excuse ah That's piece. director he's like He's still dumb.
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but but Yeah, so hunting in the Middle East would have required extreme skill and patience because they had big open planes, which is easier to spot game, but it also just made it incredibly hard to get close to animals because you can see the animal, they can see you. And so, as you know, humans are the best long distance runners in the world because we kind of just jog lightly till the animal gives up.
00:07:26
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But come on, people, it's the birthplace of civilization. We don't want to work hard. Let's do what humans do best. Let's get an animal to do it. Yes. so So they're like, all right, let's grab the fastest dog that we can find, which was apparently a saluki. I think greyhounds are like two kilometers faster, but semantics, let's not get into it.
00:07:50
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They can reach up to speeds of about 72 kilometers an hour. I have no idea what that is in miles per hour, probably around 40 to 50 is my guess. We call those freedom units. I don't know what that is. Yeah. Everybody else will know, except for Americans. Yeah. Oh, sorry. The Greyhound is 62 kilometers an hour and the Saluki is 69 kilometers an hour. Nice. Yeah.
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yeah And so this kind of and this kind of speed and endurance made it a really good gazelle hunter. and They use salukis or at least a very early version of modern salukis because there are artifacts after artifacts of like carvings, statues, and a third thing, pottery. That's what it is. That have dog dogs with feathered ears and legs that are just like incredibly long. Like if you wanted to dominate a fashion show and go hunting after, just grab a saluki. Makes sense. They're pretty fab.
00:08:47
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As the ancient cities began thriving, there were a group of people that rejected the idea of living in one place. And you may know this word as nomads. And there were a certain type of nomads in the Middle East called the Bedouins. I pray to God that I'm saying that right, because it comes from the Arabic word Bedawi.
00:09:05
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I also pray. Bedouins? Bedouins? Bedouins? Bedouins? I've always heard Bedouin, but that might not be the right one. They i probably say like Bedouin or something. Okay. something from I asked, my my barber is, we'll get into that to a sec, but my barber's Iranian and I asked him a bunch of questions. Cause he'd know. yeah Yeah, everything about Iran, I just ask him and I take it as gospel because he's the only person I know. Just like how I'm your only Canadian friend, hopefully.
00:09:32
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And if you have any others, I'm going to kill them. So it's still it still talks to me. But Bedouins Bedouins, a third way of saying it, they would have been like desert dwellers that shut up. Don't make fun of me. I'm trying really hard.
00:09:51
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a The Bedouins are the Bedouins. Yeah. Which means desert dweller. would have lived in the desert and they kind of just traveled around the desert with salukis and used it for hunting. And while it's not a hundred percent certain, it is thought that these nomadic tribes are what brought the saluki to Egypt. Either that or a bunch of Sumerians just went like, hey, we got a bunch of leftover stuff. You want to sell it? And they just went west to Egypt. OK.
00:10:20
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And now we can talk about my barber, Yasser, beautiful Iranian man. Nice. I asked him, hey, have you ever heard of a Saluki before? And he goes, yeah, like the dog, right? And I was like, yeah. And I asked him, I was like, hey, do you know like what the name comes from? And he goes, isn't it like the Seljuk Turks? And I was like,
00:10:43
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I don't know. That's why I asked you. And so I went and did a little bit more research on it. yeah I saw there, there was a couple of sources where it was like a line in a thousand year old Arabic poem. My bra, my dog brought my dog brought by Kings from salute. And then I tried to like find actual verifiable references that weren't somebody's blog post. And, uh, yeah, they're absolutely, absolutely none. Okay. A lot of blog posts though.
00:11:09
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lot yeah That's like, whenever you Google something about dogs, you'll just find a blog post and it's like, Oh, actually someone feels about it. yeah Exactly. Yeah. Cause everybody wants their dog to be like the coolest and the oldest breed. Like I know a lot of Sam white owners like, Oh yeah, my dog's like 3000 years old. I don't know. Could be. They probably didn't write shit down. He was like, I was there 3000. I was there when the magic was written or whatever that quote was. but So anyway. Yeah.
00:11:37
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He thinks it's from the Seljuk Turks, very well could be. Supposedly there was a lost city called Seluk, famous for armor. Again, I couldn't find anything verifiable, like, or reputable to confer this, confer, whatever. But somebody in the 1800s suggested that Saluki comes from the Turkish tribe of Seljuk and Saluki comes from the Western bastardification of the word. Another theory is someone or coming from someone you might know was Lawrence of Arabia. I don't know anything about Lawrence of Arabia. I just know that he was a man and he existed and I think like World War One.
00:12:17
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Yeah, it's something to do with like, yes. Yeah. Okay. well Peter O'Toole's the guy in the movie and he like, I think he like, it's something to do with like, uh, kind of like Dune. There's like a white dude, like help us okay helps the the Arab guys living in the region fight off the British or something. Yeah. Nice. Okay. Good for him. Classic Disney story. Yeah. Classic white savior. Literally, literally think it's the white savior movie.
00:12:46
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So he got a letter from a woman named Florence Amherst and we'll get into her in a lot of detail coming up because she is very important for Salukis as a breed. Florence was English and she was like, I really need to know what the hell this name means and where it comes from. And so she was like, Hey, dear Lawrence of verri i know sheez was not texting hey dear lawrence of Arabia, I have do you know where the name comes? And he says,
00:13:14
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And I quote, I'm not particularly doggy. We should bring that back. That's really very doggy, but that's besides the point. And he goes on and he says that the men he travels with call them Shami, but I can go and check. And then he signs it off really sweetly saying, sorry for not knowing anything, but yeah, I promise I'll get back to you. And guess what?
00:13:37
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What? He ghost her. ah Dude, nothing worse than a Victorian era ghost. I know. But apparently she was like really adamant and sent him a shit ton of letters and was like, bro, hey, it's been like a week. I haven't heard from you. What's going on? Are you OK? What are these dogs called? And he just was like, yeah, this bitch is annoying. I'm done. I don't want to a But it was Florence Lawrence.
00:14:01
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Yeah, but it was Florence Amherst who decided to just name it Salukis in I think 1922. Okay. Was the exact date that they were recognized as a breed and she was just like, yeah, we'll call it Salukis across the board. Don't even worry about it. Moving on to the Egyptians. As we know, Egyptians loved their animals. They did prefer cats, but They had dogs as well because I think as you said, cats were more of like independent and kind of just could take care of themselves where dogs required a lot more care and you had to pay attention to them and make sure they didn't eat their own shit. Right. It seems that most households had a pet cat.
00:14:41
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often more than one, and to a lesser degree, a dog. Cats were more popular because of their close association to the goddess Bastet, but also on a practical level because they could take care of themselves and rid the home of pests. Dogs, requiring more care, were more often kept by upper classes who were able to afford them. This is a quote from somebody who I linked. I'll send that to you later. No, it's okay.
00:15:06
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As a lot of people probably know, Egyptians mummified their pets and I looked into it. It turns out, yeah, when you died, they would just kill your dog too and bear the bear the dog with you because it seems to be the case. Yeah, which is like. Tough, that's.
00:15:24
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Like I like Egyptians, but that's I don't know. I don't know how to feel about that. I don't care. That's how I feel about it. If it helps, it seems where most dogs are buried with people. It's like that's the case. Might not just be the Egyptians, but OK. Yeah, even.
00:15:40
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Oh my God, what are they called? The Aztecs? Cause I know they, they liked their sholos. Dude, they, yeah, they were bright dogs too, right? Yeah. They ate them. They sacrificed them. Like they bred them for those reasons. And then, yeah. Hey, respect a couple thousand years ago. I'm not here to judge. I'm just here to tell you what's happening. Mexican street corn tacos, but with dogs, maybe I don't know, but I'm going to factually check that. Uh, we'll be right back. Sure. Good. That's good.
00:16:09
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Oh, this is a crazy fact that I had no idea and I'm wondering if you know it. If you were an ancient Egyptian and Strider had just passed away, yeah what do you think you would do as a symbol to mourn?
00:16:22
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reach in and pull out his liver. No, you'd shave your entire body. Ah, damn, dude. Um, did you know that? I did not know that. It's pretty cool. Yeah. ah So apparently it was very common. Again, please for the love of God, listeners verify this because again, it's really hard to find out this kind of information. Is that specifically for dogs or for people ah in general morning? I mean, I think it's specifically for pets.
00:16:48
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So it's like Frank Reynolds when he's all covered in the germex and always sunny. I'll put that right here. Anyway, I don't know. Cause I also wrote that shaved heads were very common as to avoid lice and shaved eyebrows were a notable sign of grief. So maybe it is. I read that it was for dogs, but it very well could be for people as well.
00:17:12
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Regardless, very unique, very cool thing that I think we should 100% bring back. So that, I don't know, my brother is bald, so I could just keep asking him, like, oh, are you okay? Did your dog die? When I see a kid in a wheelchair at Disney that's bald, I'm like, lost your dog, huh? but No, no, I will assume leukemia.
00:17:36
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Rough day, am I right? Oh, man. and Jesus Christ. All right. Uh, we talked about this. Yeah. Bearing dogs isn't unique to Egypt. They did it in Greece. They did it in like Scandinavia during the Viking age, the minds and the Aztecs did it with the show though. Okay. Yeah. So I did say that. Um,
00:18:05
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Yeah, which is like, I don't know. You ever see people like, oh, why are there pyramids in Egypt and in Mexico? It's like, OK, why did we bury dogs in Egypt and in Mexico? Was it aliens as well? Exactly what I wanted to say to these people. Come on, Joe Rogan. Could have been aliens. They had dogs, man. Wow. Yeah. Jamie, pull that up. Jame-o.
00:18:28
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One of the most popular groups of people to have a Saluki was the pharaohs, because if you look at a Saluki, it just screams elegance and beauty and it go fast, which is sick. Like, don't you just love having a fast dog? I do. My dog's slow as hell, but like whatever. You should gladiator too.
00:18:46
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I did. oh Dude, there's salukis in there. That's right. There's the rich lady has salukis. Yeah, two of them, too. I was like, fucking, let's go. This is a track, dude. I think you're right. I think so, too. ah Because I know the ancient Romans would have brought I know for sure, greyhounds, but probably salukis, too, as like a symbol of wealth. Yeah. It's like, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which now I mean, I
Cultural and Historical Significance of Salukis
00:19:10
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do it with my dog, even though I got it for free. He's worth like two to three thousand dollars, which is fucking astronomical. You flipped a dog, dude.
00:19:17
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I did. And now he has no eyes. So, you know, to the right. Oh man. ah man I'm not going to be able to say this. I remember learning how to say it. Fuck me. Whatever you have to say. I've said way worse and they've still ate it. No, it's just like the pronunciation of, Oh, ah okay. Noomhotep.
00:19:42
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Yeah, this sounds right. Numotep the second. I've heard of Imhotep, but Numotep makes sense too. I think Imhotep was way before him. No, wait, is that the guy in... Who does Rummy Malek play? oh ah In Night at the Museum? Yeah. I don't know if he's Imhotep. He crushed that roll. He's just a sick guy. I think he's a little weird, but... eat Well, yeah, to say the least.
00:20:08
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Anyway, regardless, ah pharaohs often use so salukis on hunting exposition, and there is a painting in the tomb of showing a scene of salukis hunting gazelles. Okay.
00:20:27
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Yeah. More evidence can be found dating around 6,000 to 5,000 BCE BCE. There's a carved ivory head of a saluki and the site of Benny Hassan. There's a dog given his own tomb and hits his name in the coffin.
00:20:43
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What the fuck did I write? Is named in the coffin text five times. Oh, his name was Hebb. Sorry. Hebb. Yeah. Hebb. Have you seen the video of Fenton? Fenton. Yeah. Oh yeah. but The dog is so good. Fenton. I always tell people if you're going to name your dog, name it something that you're fully comfortable chasing the dog down the street and yelling at him. Yeah. and Other people will hear you. So just like make sure it's not a cringy name like grandpa. I met somebody whose dog's name is grandpa and I was like, so you're just going to run down the street one day. Grandpa, grandpa, my grandpa. and would like Oh, fuck. There's an 80 year old on the loose. All right. Less ancient history.
00:21:28
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The Silk Road and China. This is completely my theory, so I'd love for somebody to verify this, but around 130 BCE, the Silk Road emerges as the world's longest trading route linking the Western world to China and other areas around there. Probably still the Han Dynasty at this point. I have no idea.
00:21:49
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While it's not certain, it's most likely that so this yeah the Silk Road played a huge part in spreading the saluki to places like China and Mongolia. By the 7th century AD, hounds resembling the saluki can be seen in art across China. There's a Tang Dynasty figurine that I'll send you. There's a big-ass mural. There's a Jesuit painter in Beijing that painted salukis for the Kuang Long. Good Catholic kid. Nice. my and queen Queen, Queen long emperor. It would have had the same function as it did in the Middle East. I don't know if you've seen those guys with the big ass Falcons riding on horseback in Mongolia. Yeah. and they're like yeah Yeah. So Bedouins or Bedouins also do Falconry like that. And they've just got salukis posted up on their left.
00:22:42
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Falcon on their right. ah There's a dog called the Tassie, which is astronomically similar to its Saluki. And so my theory is that through the Silk Road, Saluki's just traveled with nomads and traders and stuff. And they were just like, oh, actually, I like this dog. Can I buy that off you? And a bunch of Mongolians just party with Saluki's and call them a Tassie. Don't take my word. T-A-Z-Y. yeah Oh, my gosh. Yeah, they look similar. they it Very similar. Yeah. And I don't know if that's like Is that Kazakstan? Is that a Kazakstan dog? Yeah, the Kazaktazi is a breed of Sighthound hunting dog originating from Kazakstan. Interesting. Isn't that mongolian bor it's bad nice? in My-wife.
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but
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um Modern history, yeah white lady brings this dog to England and absolutely changes the game for at least me personally, because without her, I wouldn't have known what this dog was. So Florence Amherst, I mentioned her earlier, her dad was an Egyptologist, absolutely obsessed with Egypt. I think his name was William. Yes, it was. And he went on lots of trips to Egypt and I don't know. I think this one to like archaeology started becoming a thing in like the 1800s, right? Like modern archaeology as we know it. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he would have been right, right at the.
00:24:10
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not like the, what's the word I'm looking for, not at right at the start, but like, I don't know, but he hopped on the bandwagon and he was like, when let's go Egypt. like Rich guys would go and just collect stuff to bring home their friends. Exactly. And so William was like, hey, daughters, let's go. And he brought a few of his daughters, but the the main one was Florence. And On their trip, they were sailing down the Nile and Florence met a man named Jennings Bromley, an English man that was very close friends with the Bedouin tribe or Bedouin tribe, however you want to say it. and There's somebody out there. Jennings Bromley. Yeah. Just sounds like he has a monocle. Yeah. He, no, so I want you to picture like if Chris Hemsworth was in like a 1900s movie. oh yeah Like one of the things I read was that this man was like super charismatic and was just hot as fuck. But he was, but he was like really bad at his job. But for some reason, people just kept giving him jobs. But yeah, one of the things that the book that I read was like, yeah, this guy was like super attractive.
00:25:12
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Wow. Okay. Yeah. Good for him. che name jenning bra Which is Jennings. Is Jennings not like just a very, like if your name's Jennings, you're probably like six foot four to 20 ripped to shit. Super handsome. Everybody wants you. That's just when I hear the word Jennings of a trust fund. Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Jennings. All right. But there was something else that was super special about Jennings. He owned a zoo.
00:25:41
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which is pretty sick, I'd say. wow yeah And so he was to the flip to the to the Amherst, he was like, hey guys, you wanna check out my zoo? And they were all like, ah yeah, that sounds like a good time, we wanna see some animals. So they get to the zoo, and ah Florence was like, yeah, like this is fine, okay, elephants, cool, tigers, cool, oh wait, no, not tigers, lions, cool, hippos, probably cool. But there was one animal that sent her to the fields of reeds. She was like, what the hell is that over there? And Jennings was just like, it's fucking dogs. Like I don't, it's dogs. Like what do you want? And she's like, I want them. And he was like, uh, okay. Turns out they were salukies. Florence was like, yeah, get me these dogs immediately. I want to. So Jennings
00:26:28
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pisses off, he's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to Lower Egypt, which is, I think, technically Northern Egypt, like Cairo. And he's like, yeah, I'll i'll go find some bedwins and purchase two salukis. So he went, found a couple brothers, was like, hey, let me get get some salukis. And shipped them to England, and the Amherst returned home in August of 1895. And shortly after, the dogs Aisha and Laman arrived. And I think Laman eventually became Lumen,
00:26:58
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because she's English. Because if you see it, it's L-A-A-M-E-N. Oh, right. And they're like, no, no, no, no. Yeah, they're like, what the fuck is that? Florence still didn't know a whole lot about the breed, so she would spend literally decades of her life dedicated to finding out everything she could about salukis. And this was one of the reasons she corresponded with Florence of Arabia. This is the chick that wanted them in a zoo.
00:27:27
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No, no, no, no. She found them in the zoo. Found them in the zoo. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she's not confused and thought they were. Imagine a dog zoo. Well, yeah, that'd be kind of cool. I'd pay. She just was like assumed they were some other mysterious creature and not a dog because they were at a zoo. But like he you get you can't look at a dog and be like, oh, that's a wild animal. But it's some kind of gazelle. No, yeah, she she figured it out.
00:27:57
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Yeah, so she does a bunch of research and all that good stuff. And then she decides, I want to start breeding these bad boys. And she reaches out to a bunch of people and turns out there's literally nobody else in England with salukis. She got a bunch of offers from people with greyhounds and she was just like, nah, I don't want to mix her perfect lineage of dogs and denied the request because Yeah, I don't know. There's probably like a racism metaphor in there somewhere. Sure. Until she met Miss Lucy Bethel, Lucy and Florence would become friends and sometime between 1901 and 1903, they bred their salukis. Wanting a broader gene pool, she reached out to Jennings again and he shipped over another saluki that he acquired from the Beni Hassan tribe, which I think is in modern day Turkey. Is that true? I don't know. OK, shit. I know Benihana.
00:28:53
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Yeah, I think he owns Salukis as well. Definitely. And now with enough to ah seemingly, I guess, repopulate, probably not safely, but whatever, it's the 1900s. Nobody cares about that.
00:29:10
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ah Florence started entering her salukis into dog shows. In 1905, Florence began showing the dogs in prestigious shows that had the any other variety for section for sections of foreign dogs. This included elk hounds, Samoids, Afghan hounds, and salukis. No, yes. but Wait, say the, say the, say the list again. Al-Kouns, Samoids, Afghan hounds, and. Velasco Malamutes? Nope. German Shepherds? Yeah. Oh, right. Cause the next part of the episode is not true. You set me up so well. All right. 1914 hits. World War I starts and everybody goes.
00:29:58
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That's not very nice. No, actually, actually, this kind of fucking sucks. And so they were like, all right, let's smell stop with dog shows. And even though 1918 is when World War One ended, right? 18 or 19, 17, 18. OK, I think it broke out in 19.
00:30:18
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and but i get fourteen and then at at nineteen eighteen yeah that sounds right yeah yeah It wasn't until 1921, so two years after World War I ended, that dog shows resumed. okay And because men can't handle powerful women. Uh, we had our own dog shows and women had their own dog shows because, you know, obviously like when I see a woman with a pretty dog, I feel emasculated. And so it's just like not stay over there. Like do your own dog show that's our only competition.
00:30:52
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No women here. Yeah. During the war, she bred two more litters of salukis. And once the war was over, she jumped right back in at 1921. And in 1922, everything would change when two things happened. Number one, a little thing called tut mania.
00:31:11
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Oh, OK. Yeah. So King Tut, his tomb was excavated and everybody in kind of the world, but mainly probably England and like other similar Western countries right just kind of lost their minds and like, holy shit, Egypt is like low key. Awesome. This is sweet. Yeah. I want to know everything. And Florence was just like, oh, I'm going to use this opportunity and pitch to the AKC, not the AKC.
00:31:40
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whatever the English Kennel Club is. I think it's just the Kennel Club. maybe Yeah, okay. Just the KC. KC Musgraves. She was like, okay, but this is my opportunity. Everybody's obsessed with Egypt right now. I've got an Egyptian dog. The stars are aligning. And then one more star aligned with her and she met Frederick Lance. And this is the part that I'm sure pisses a lot of women off because If it wasn't for this man who was in the book that I read, he was known for being very charismatic and very like, well, let me handle this. I got this for you. I got this for you. Like, I'll do all of the work. And I'm sure Florence was just like, like, go fuck yourself, dude. Like, I've been in the trenches with these dogs. OK, not actual trenches, but I've been in it. I've been doing it for like decades and you just come along with your your pretty new dog and you talk to all the boys in the Kennel Club and get the dog approved, even though I did all the work.
00:32:36
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That's kind of what happened. She met this dude and he was just like, Oh, I'm going to schmooze everybody. And we're going to get this dog recognized into the kennel club. And I do still think that a lot of people that are obsessed with Saluki's recognized Florence Amherst as kind of the goat of Saluki's and getting them and being the champion of it. But this dude, Frederick Lance helped a lot, unfortunately, because Boys will be boys. Right. And women couldn't get their own credit card until 1920. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, 1922. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Where am I? At the meeting, Florence would completely dominate with her vast knowledge of the breed, declaring the official name to be the Saluki. After gaining recognition, they quickly became popular in the 1920s and were recognized by the American Kennel Club in 1929.
00:33:28
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During the 20th century, interest across the globe would increase, but the Salukis would always remain relatively rare. I think as of 2022, yeah. The Salukis, the 135th most popular dog breed according to the AKC. 125th? Yeah, and I looked at it, I think Samoids or Samoyed is I think 56, like 57, somewhere in the late 50s.
00:33:54
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And that's pretty much where it is. I always get very stoked when I see a Saluki and I go up to them and I go like, you know, a Saluki, that's a like really old dog. I don't know if I said this at all, but supposedly the Saluki is one of the oldest dog breeds in the world that has remained unchanged because there are like Molossian hounds. Those are all the shit, but they're not around anymore. They've yeah branched off into new different types of dog breeds. And yeah, the 1800s, everybody just kind of I don't know, whenever you do research about dogs, it's always the late 1800s where these dogs come about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's like, seems to be like the Victorian era where they were all. Yeah. Yeah. The Kennel Club became a thing. And so because this is a Mesopotamian dog, I'm going to leave everybody with a joke from ancient Sumer. A dog walks into a bar and says, I can't see a thing. I'll open this one.
00:34:51
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whatever the fuck that means. I have no idea. That's like an old Sumerian joke. Yeah. Yeah. No idea what it means. Okay. Interesting. I think I've heard that and I'm still trying to remember how i've I made the rounds a couple of years ago on the internet. Okay. And like, it's just the dog, the ty think and the dog's drinking something.
00:35:10
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I think it's either the dog was drunk and couldn't see the dog opened a door because like a bar is considered like a brothel at that time. And so he opened the door. I don't know. I can't remember. Somebody did a big deep dive on Reddit and I read it. Nice. And I forget all of it. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. I'm sure somebody smarter than me will. Somebody will comment here. Comment.
00:35:39
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Yeah, I keep hiccuping and burping. You're fine. There's also the one where it's like, it's a mess-between joke. And it was like, since time immemorial, a woman has not sat on a man's lap and passed gas. And like, that's like the line. And it's just like, the joke is that like women don't fight around men. Okay. And I was like, that's really the, someone etched that in was like, this Yeah, I mean, they had probably a lot more free time back then, just like waiting for the crops to grow and stuff. And so like, fuck it, why not write in a manifesto into this brick? Yeah, dude, man, that was rough. Their diet was just straight up chickpeas and barley. They're definitely farting a lot. Oh, one thing I did read or hear something, I don't know, I just heard this at some point in my life that one of the theories of why we settled in Mesopotamia is because a bunch of people were just like, hey, if we put this grain in water, we can get really fucked up off on it.
00:36:35
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because it just turns into beer. Attracts. I've heard the agriculture could have come from already knowing how to ferment beforehand too. like it okay yeah Like it might lead to that. It's like, we want more grain to ferment. And then I guess we can eat this, but I don't know. It's kind of like, it's one of those things like dog domestication. It's like, what exactly was the reason? It's probably many different top yeah reasons. I don't know. Cool, man. So was that it? Yeah, that was it.
00:37:05
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uh what is cool to me about that is one you put way more work in than i did which you're about to find out uh but two i see a lot of stuff about like you know colonialism has its like effects still today on like different things like that and it like dogs for sure. yeah But like Saluki, not necessarily the colonialism thing from England, but just the exonyms we use. Like we'd say, we're used to saying Kiev instead of Kiev, because Kiev's the Ukrainian word, but Kiev is the Russian word we're more used to.
00:37:37
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Saluki is the word in English that is standardized and reused, but I'm sure in other languages, they call it something else too. Yeah. and that like I've noticed that with dogs a lot. like Yeah. they probably didn't Even Samoyed, they had an E on the end because the Samoyed tribe described herself with an E on the end. Okay. and At some point in the early 1900s, they were just like, drop the E, whatever, just Samoyed. Yeah, get that off. Okay, cool.
00:38:06
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Yeah, that was a really in-depth history of the Saluki, man. I didn't know all of that. it's Good. I'm glad. That's a movie, man. You got characters. You've got plot. You've got... yeah Yeah, that's that I'll start. I'll start writing it actually. Now that you mentioned it. Fuck it. Let's do it. Let's go. It's like it'd be like a quick like on the airplane like movie. Like we bought a zoo with Matt Damon. But dude, I love that movie. That would be so good. I was going to reference it when you said the thing about the zoo and I was like, he won't get that reference. No, I would. I love that movie. Yeah. Matt Damon. It's it's Scarjo. You know, it might be. I think it is. Yeah. Scarjo or it's Cameron Diaz. But I think it's Scarjo. Hmm.
00:38:48
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Yeah. So like that kind of situation. But like, you know, how the silica came to be and and be a this lady, her whole life was like, I love this dog. Let's do it. And then this guy comes around and he's like, I'll make it famous. You know, just it's a plot. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Cool, man. I don't think he was like a piece of shit, though. I think it was just like like just. Yeah. Yeah. Just kind of happened like that. Yeah. And that his name was Jennings. No, that was a dude with the zoo. ah This dude's name was
00:39:23
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We know he had a nice suit. Yeah, probably. And he probably smoked fucking pack of cigarettes a day. Or like, like, sick pipes. Yeah, is this is is this still the time of pipes in the 1920s? Oh, 1920s? Yeah, pipes and yeah, big cigars. It was, well, because cigarettes came around oh during the war, right? His name was Frederick Lance. Okay. I can just send you this entire dock.
00:39:50
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All right. Yeah. This is it like at a whole video in itself. I was, that's what I planned on doing this because I wrote one and I was planning on doing like a history of this dog and it was going to be like a 10 minute video. And there's like a bunch of random fucking bits in there and like really stupid things that I say. And I had to okay re basically rewrite a bunch of it and like fact check myself and stuff like that and get sources. Was the preamble to it then? Yeah. the the exact run Exactly. Exactly.
00:40:17
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Cool. Well, with that, we're going to take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back. And I will talk about the German Shepherd. Or back. So, anything else on the Saluki that I missed that way you want to say? That that you found surprising? They're super pretty. They're pretty, dog. They're very pretty. Just a hand for me right now. Sorry, I can't even see myself. Yeah, I think I pretty much covered it all.
00:40:47
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so Okay. Yeah. Well, onto German Shepherds, which doesn't have the story and the lore that the Saluki does. The first German Shepherd to exist was in the movie Gladiator. I was kidding. Is there GSD in that movie? The opening scene of Gladiator, where they're like fighting the Germans, there's just a German, it's I think it's a Malinois, but like either way didn't exist then. And it's like,
00:41:15
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It's just going after Germans specifically and somehow no one in the the entire battle just like clubbed it over the head. like I've seen the movie. I watched it right before I watched. I literally sat down, watched gladiator, went to the movies with my friends and watch gladiator too, which made me so mad because in the next movie, he's like, what we do in life echoes in eternity. He's like, why do I know those words? I'm like, oh my God. Cause a writer that sucks at his job wrote it. Yeah, dude, like they had so much. Anyway, there were sharks with laser beams attached to their heads. And if I get in the water, freaking laser beams. I enjoyed Denzil Washington's performance for sure. I thought it was pretty good. I liked the
00:41:54
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You know, I thought Pedro Pascal was going to be the bad guy, but then ends up being, oh, you're like, oh, what? Yeah, I want a spoiler for people. But anyway, German Shepherd Origins.
The Rise of German Shepherds
00:42:05
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I i got a list here. Their first bread in Germany in the late 19th century by Max von Stefanitz, who aimed to create the ideal working dog. Of course, they were originally used as herding dogs to protect and guide livestock.
00:42:25
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The first dog, recognize the first recognized German Shepherd was There we go. We're going to call him Horand, and he became the foundation of the breed. his The dog's name was Horand von Graf-Rath. The dog's proper dog should be a two-syllable Fido, Strider, Thor, one syllable works, you know, but, um, what was the one in in your story? Hoth? Lumen and Aisha.
00:43:05
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lumiic aesha see ayesha ayesha
00:43:11
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Let's see, World War I, World War II, German shepherds served as messenger dogs, we knew that, guards and rescue workers. And then in World War I, they were temporarily called Alsatian wolf dogs because the UK wanted to avoid anti-German sentiment.
00:43:27
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Let's see. I had like a multiple things all over. So yeah. So here's the, great side did you say there, sorry, I'm going to cut you off. Yeah. Where did you say isolation? How do you say that isolation? Alsatian wolf house station. So are they do they, are they like check wolf hounds or they come from actual wolves or were they bred to fight wolves?
00:43:48
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Uh, you know that I don't know. I just, they were called that, I think to just, cause it said here in the UK to avoid anti-German sentiment. So they just didn't, it was like freedom fries for us during the war. Okay. Okay. Cause they didn't want to use French for that. I think that was the Iraq war. Nevermind. Uh, so these dogs are just propaganda.
00:44:07
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this propaganda machine in the face of it. Let's see, this contribution to society. So I did a history of German Shepherds. Creation of late 19th century, by 1800s, this Max von Stephanets, we got that. And then Horand von von Grafroth was the first, that's just such a mouthful to yell at it, which he believed embodied the traits of an ideal working dog. And he became the first registered German shepherd in 1899.
00:44:34
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Um, my camera should probably not look off the camera and then yeah, pretty late Origins of herding, the breed was originally developed to help herd and protect sheep in the German countryside. ah Their intelligence and agility made them exceptional at this task, so we know that. And then the German Shepherd Club, which I would like to join that. Kavon Stefanitz established this rose again in 1899 to standardize and promote the breed, and they wanted to emphasize the working dog's abilities.
00:45:05
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Let me move on to a little thing called World War I, which was a fun time for a few. I think so. and During World War I, German shepherds gained recognitions for their bravery and their versatility, useless messengers, sentries, rescuers, and even and ammunition carriers, which is pretty sick. Because if you're like, I need ammo, so and then this German shepherds just runs up. Yeah. They're like, all right. They're popularly able to grow outside of Germany as soldiers from other countries witness their capabilities. So they were like, that thing is cool.
00:45:37
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And then World War II, German triplets again proved invaluable, serving as military dogs for various roles, including bomb detection and search and rescue missions. The Nazis also used them extensively, which caused controversy post-war. So Nazi dogs. But, you know, I have one and him and he's fighting on the other team. Me and him get along just fine. So.
00:46:02
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That was me being Jewish joke. you can see I'm like ethnically, yeah. Name change in the UK. Due to an anti-German sentiment during World War I, the breed was temporarily renamed the Alsatian Wolfdog. We got that. I really should have vetted this. And again, your story was a lot more fun. And it wasn't until 1977 that the original name, German Shepherd, was reinstated in the UK. It's good to know.
00:46:30
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Oscillation, Atlantean Bulldog. Oscillation, which is the Alsace, I think it was a river. I think we figured this out last time. Like the Alsace Lorraine is the big line in World War II or World War I. So they changed that. But then they changed it to the German Shepherd in 1977. And then it got popularity in the US when GIs would bring the dogs back or talked about the dog and talked that brought the idea of the dog back. And then they were introduced to the United States in the early 20th century.
00:46:59
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which I guess is World War One. Their fame skyrocketed with the help of Rin Tin Tin, a German Shepherd rescued from World War One battlefield. Didn't know that. And he became a Hollywood star appearing in over 20 films. So. Oh, what? So he was like a hardened veteran. Yeah, I just assumed he was like a dog actor. Yeah, me too. That's crazy. This dog was just purely shell shocked and they were like probably still like. hey Yeah.
00:47:29
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Modern-day German Shepherds. Today, German Shepherds are one of the most popular breeds worldwide, prized for their intelligence, loyalty, and versatility. They excel as police dogs, search and rescue dogs, service animals, and loyal family dogs. ah And then I had, how did they get to America, which is relevant to us. Late 1910s, German Shepherds first arrived in the 1900s, brought by enthusiasts who admired their working abilities in Europe.
00:47:55
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Enthusiasts might mean PTSD to GIs that were attacked by them. I need a companion. Get mauled by this dog, like, oh shit, I should get one of these for home. I was like, I got mowed down by a tank. He's like, yeah, we've seen the dogs. So yeah, military dogs in World War I, American soldiers encountered the German Shepherds used for the German military and noted their bravery and intelligence.
00:48:22
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and then they brought some home after the war. Okay, so I really need to combine that. um Let's see, we're we're still there, yeah. Rinton-Tin Phenomenon in 1918. So the guy who brought him was Lee Duncan, discovered a litter of German Shepherd puppies in a bombed out kennel in France. And he brought one of the puppies, Rinton-Tin, back to the US. Yeah, so he was just like a- That's wild. The rescued of rescues, rescues of rescue dogs.
00:48:52
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He became a film star in the 20s, appearing in over 20 silent films, and his fame helped popularize and de-stigmatize German shepherds in America. So there we go. And he became a symbol of the breed's intelligence and loyalty. That keeps popping up in here. This is chat DPT, by the way. But i have I had it all pasted into a document. I didn't vet it.
00:49:12
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The AKC recognition, American Kennel Club, which yeah, the Kennel Club is the original one, so officially recognized the German Shepherd breed in 1913, further cementing their place in American culture. And then the impact of World War II, we've got all that, but the post-war boom, after the war, German Shepherds became a favorite choice for families, police departments, and service organizations cementing their role as one of the most common breeds in the US due to their you know prowess in the war.
00:49:42
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And then I typed in historical German Shepherds, Rindenden obviously, Strongheart, one of the first canine movie stars. He appeared in silent films like The Silent Call in 1921, and he paved the way for Rindenden.
00:49:59
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No, this one's a doozy. Blondie was Adolf Hitler's German Shepherd during World War II. Oh, shit. And it would have been weird if he didn't have a blonde dog. I will say that, because the kid liked blonde guys. And while Blondie's life is tied to a controversial figure, the dog is a notable part of history, is what chat GPT says.
00:50:23
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Was he, did he outlive Hitler? Or was it like a childhood dog or like how old was Hitler when he died? I think he's probably in his like 40s or 50s. Yeah. work one So he would have been 20, 40, 50s, maybe. Okay. Okay. Did he take the dog out with him in the bunker? I don't know. We should look that up. Just let it let me hate him more. Let's say yes. I fucking hate him more. But the kid Hitler did like shit called the kid Hitler did enjoy the classical civilizations and archeology. So maybe he's a big fan of Napoleon, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Napoleon has something about dogs too, right? Isn't there like a story with him and a dog? I don't know who cares. It's neither here nor there. He's not. Oh, cause he's not a German Shepherd. He's not on this list, but what I was gonna say was maybe Hitler did the Egyptian thing where the dog dies with him. I don't know. We'll have to look that up.
00:51:18
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But I know he wouldn't like bomb or take France because he respected but Napoleon. I remember that. He bombed France. ah paris He bombed the shit out of France. and so He was like, we're just walking into Paris. So that's Blondie. And then, but there's a whole, do you watch Always Sunny?
00:51:38
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I've only seen the first few seasons and the odd episodes here and there. Okay. there's There's a whole plot where there's a German Shepherd painting in Charlie's apartment and they end up finding out that it's an original Hitler and he's an artist. They're all fighting for it and who gets ownership of it. It turns into like a national treasure type episode or like they're they think they're indiana jones and yeah that's really funny it's funny that shows wild yes i love sunny buddy okay the first guide dog in america buddy was a german shepherd who helped morris frank a blind man navigate independently in the 20s i do know this story you do know do you know much about it
00:52:22
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I guess that's the story. Yeah, I guess that is the story. I do know that he, oh man, he put it in the paper and he was just like, hey, you guys should really like this dog or something like that, right?
00:52:33
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Because he went to, oh man, hold on, it's all coming back to me. He went to Germany. He was like, hey, no, somebody else went to Germany for him, gave him this dog. And he was like, yeah, this dog changed my life. Put it in the paper. And then everybody was like, oh shit, dogs can help blind people. And then they created blind guy dogs or no other way around.
00:52:53
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Something like that. Guide dogs for the blind. Yes, thank you. Yeah. Would be cool, though, to have a blind dog as your as a blind person and like you both just purely get around through smell and hearing. OK, gouge my eyes out, me and Thor can go fucking party. So yeah, just blindfold yourself one day and see how you can get around traffic. there Just maybe with the park first, then yeah ease into traffic. Anyway, German Shepherd's in pop culture.
00:53:23
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Ace the bat hound? I'd never heard of this guy. No idea. Batman's loyal canine companion DC comics, often depicted as a German. Oh, like super pets. Yeah. Isn't he? I don't know. Doesn't he have like a Rottweiler or something in that? Or is he a German shepherd? Oh, super pets like the movie. The newer one. I don't know. That's a good question. I'm not. I'm on a DC guy. Hmm. But let me see. Ace the bat hound. Is that what we were looking up?
00:53:53
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Uh, Jerry Lee, a German Shepherd who co-starred with Jim Belushi in the 1989 buddy cop film portraying a smart, but mischievous police dog. And then the littlest hobo, a star of a Canadian TV show from the sixties and the eighties.
00:54:12
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This wandering German shepherd helped people in need in every episode. Did you know about this? I've never heard of it. Me either. I'm googling it right now. ah The littlest hobo actually does kind of sound familiar. The littlest hobo dug. Oh, dude, he looks cool.
00:54:29
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And then, okay, so the military, let me look that up real quick. Willis Hobo, so it's a show. It's got a 7.7 on IMDb. Yeah, I'm looking that, that's crazy. It also has a, like six years it ran. That's pretty long. People must have liked the dog. Yeah. Military service heroes, Chipps was a German Shepherd collie mix who served in World War II. Chipps was the most decorated war dog earning honors for bravery after attacking an enemy machine gun nest in Sicily.
00:54:59
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Oh, shit. Yeah, I put that at the top fact and I that put it back down here. Pretty crazy, man, because I know Stubbs that we do a whole episode on Stubbs, like the World War One dog. OK. He was like, I think he was just a gsd bulldog. Oh, OK. But I'd never heard of actual German shit like I didn't know of any German shepherd specifically. So yeah, chips was good. And there's this guy named Mad Jack Churchill, who I believe Is that the dude with the kilt that ran around World War II with a sword? Kilt bagpipes, a longbow and a claymore. Yeah, that's what it was. OK. Did he have a GSD? No, but he took that that I know of. Maybe he did. He took a whole Italian castle that was like an Italian German nest by himself. And the telegraph said like the command just said Churchill because he did her magic. He got it by himself. But if he had a German shepherd, that'd have been a really cool.
00:55:56
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a cool one too. yeah But of course, the most known German Shepherd that I know from military history is Cairo, who is the Navy SEAL German Shepherd that helped to get Bin Laden.
Notable German Shepherds in History and Pop Culture
00:56:07
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I've heard multiple stories of that. that They shop in Laden, and but because of Islamic culture, you couldn't show his body. But then another military guy said, it was like, no, the dog mauled him to death, which is why he never saw his body. And I was like, oh, that that would track. Yeah. Didn't ah Trump also say that the dogs got him? And it's like, the dogs got him. It was a beautiful dog. yeah A canine they called it. I call it a dog.
00:56:35
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Yeah, that's very good. that was I do Trump impressions when I'm on the toilet. That's very, oh my God. You get bored. And that's where he does his best work too, when he's tweeting. Yeah, probably, yeah. But it's a Shane Gillis bit and he was talking about ah Because when they got Al Bagdaddy, he was the leader of ISIS. He died like a dog. yeah Abu. Don't cry Abu. But yeah, they were afraid that Bagdaddy was going to be wearing a suicide vest. So they sent the dog in first. And then the Shane Gilles bit was that he
00:57:14
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Like this guy was just sleeping and then the Navy SEALs exploded his wall and a dog came in and he was like the literal Paw Patrol. it to to get man um And then Max, the star of the 2015 film, Max, based on a fictional story of a military working dog returning home after his handler's death. Sounds like a sad movie that I probably won't watch. Is that the one with Channing Tatum or Oh, you know what that might be worth. There was a Channing Tatum movie with a dog. I think that's with the Belgian. Is it Robbie Amell? Max is twenty fifteen. um Oh, a different movie. Yeah, yeah, it is Robbie Amell. Yeah, so Robbie is the soldier. Oh, and this is the one with Channing Tatum or not? This is not with Channing Tatum. OK, so I got two movies to maybe watch one day when I'm really sad.
00:58:15
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Yeah. Okay. Uh, and then the last thing I wanted, well, there's, there's more things here, fictional dogs, Rex and bullet from inspector. Rex was inspector gadget, I guess. And then, book but celebrities with German shepherds would be Ben Affleck's dog, Hutch. He's often seen walking him on walks in Boston and Brooklyn. And my favorite, he have a house in Boston still.
00:58:41
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I don't know. This says Boston and Brooklyn, but it is Chachipite, so it could be wrong. um I think he lives in, I want to say he lives in Brooklyn. I don't know. Yeah. All right. I thought he lived in California, but whatever. that That would make more sense. Yeah. And then Shakira, the queen, I had a dog named Chen, which I learned this two weeks ago. And I looked this up before we recorded this and I wanted to make it a whole thing, but I didn't want to be weird. So I just left it to one little sentence.
00:59:11
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The singer often shares photos of her German shepherd showcasing her love for the breed. So another thing that gets me just one step closer to her being my wife. You should try tax evasion. i I think I might have on accident. Who fucking cares? If the IRS is listening.
00:59:33
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Yeah. So that was the last thing I had on German Shepherds. I kind of thought you were just going to throw some saluki facts at me. And I was like, okay, we got this, but you came at me with a ah history lesson. And I think that made for a much better podcast. I hope so. I hope but I think I kind of stumbled and fell a lot, but we got back up. We kept going. We made it to the finish line. That's all that matters. That is it's all that matters, but I enjoyed it. It was very fun and I learned a lot.
01:00:01
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What did we, what are some of our favorite things we learned today, Johnny? That Rin Tin Tin was ah supposedly bombed by Germans, which is just like, that's pretty rude, but like whatever, I guess. Yeah. They like refused to eat hot dogs as treats. He was like, is that a German snack? like yeah house the schniz I got you. whatever Yeah. I got you. Yeah. Sorry. That was bad.
01:00:29
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but I liked learning that Shakira had a German Shepherd, but humanizes her a lot more. Even though the tax evasion thing just really humanized her for me. Taxation is back. I think I lived with the Queen. I was just kidding. She did evade a lot of taxes. Yeah, there was a lot of money. yeah Yeah, I think that was good. And then I didn't know that whole story of the Saluki, but I was going to say this earlier with the Saluki and you were saying that it's like an ancient breed or whatever. I think because it's so unique looking and just so pretty.
01:01:03
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is probably a reason it's remained so pure and like rare. It's very much like a, you don't mess with that or that line. But I feel like you could like, I don't know, you have a purebred Saluki, a purebred Greyhound, smash them together. I'm sure their kids will look more Saluki than they will Greyhound. And so I don't know, like,
01:01:23
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because of the hair. I'm sure there's some dilution of likeck greyhounds and like other kind of Egyptian, Middle Eastern kind of just run of the muck, like mills, not mills, mutts. But I don't know. I wasn't there. who Who cares? They're here with us now and they're super pretty to look at. Everybody, go look at pictures of Salukis and German Shepherds. Dude, I'm not going to lie, I think with your like iconic flowing hair,
01:01:49
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And, you know, just, you seem like a ah tall guy. I don't know how tall you are. I'm like six, two. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So it'll fli you and I next to each other will be C3PO and R2D2, which will be funny. How tall are you? Five, seven, five, eight. You're five, five. Okay. I'm a, I'm a little guy. can Get a box. ah But yeah, I think you, you with the saluki walking down the street, maybe like smoking a cigarette, like Ben Affleck and the meme is would be iconic.
01:02:19
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I would love to do that. I think a saluki is in your future. It's all good. I'm just trying to count how many are coming. He looked at you as if it was OK to walk over. Murphy, come here. Murphy, Murphy, come. These are dogs you're watching? Yeah. OK. Yeah. I need to start doing that. OK. Well, that's the end of the episode, unless you have anything else to add. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Happy holidays. Happy Hanukkah. Happy Ramadan. Is it Ramadan?
01:02:52
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i don't think so but rob on Kwanza? Kwanza, that's what it is. Yeah. Oh yeah, Ramadan's in February. Nevermind. We were close. that This might, this will come out closer to Christmas than February, but yeah, this will be after Christmas. But yes, happy, happy new year. Happy new year. and Happy holidays. Yeah. The sweet, um, I actually have a Hanukkah sweater back here. I didn't have a Christmas sweater, but I didn't want to like, you know, it's very vibrant and it just didn't want to, you know, um, anyway, it's, uh, let's see.
01:03:25
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What was I gonna say? I'm supposed to do something at the end of these episodes. Right, please rate and view the podcast on Apple Podcasts if you can. If you're watching on YouTube, please leave a comment. Let us know what Johnny and I got wrong, what we got right, or just something that you're interested in, or if you'd like to see Johnny with a saluki one day. And...
01:03:46
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Yeah, if you have another request for a breed for us to dive in, that isn't the Salish wool dog, because everyone always asks me about that. I'll make a video on that at some point. It's a dog Salish S A L I S H. It's a indigenous dog in Vancouver Island that they would use to make wool. It kind of looks like a really scruffy. Oh, wait, no, never mind. That's a painting.
01:04:15
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Interesting. Yeah. I get requests to do that dog all the time. I need to do it. I didn't know Canada had more than like four of the already existing dog breeds. It's got a lot to offer, man. It's pretty big. New fees, labs, uh, Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever. One of the Northern ones. And I guess now this never heard of that. I guess the Greenland is not your guys. It's Denmark. Yeah. Does Trudeau have a dog?
01:04:43
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No, I was actually going to shit talk all of my, uh, cause I don't think Pierre Singh or Trudeau, which are our three main kind of guys, uh, none of them have dogs. so And it's just like, I don't trust any of you now. Yeah. Trump's our first guy without a dog. I think they're like first modern president with without a dog. He was like, I don't like them. They smell. Did Obama have a dog bow? Yeah. Wait, doesn't what's his face currently have a GSD?
01:05:14
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Yes and no, he got a little chompy and he bit a lot of Secret Service agents and they were like, you need to go. Did they put him down? I don't know if they put him down. I think he might be at Martha's Vineyard or in Delaware.
01:05:26
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and probably not biting people there. But yeah, everyone was like, oh, he's ah the Democrats can't like candle their dogs. And it's like, no, I think it's just an overwhelming environment for a dog. Yeah, probably. would Yeah, probably. And then other people were like, well, at least he's biting law enforcement. And I was like, why are we politicizing this poor dog? Yeah, he bites indiscriminately. He doesn't understand law enforcement. He sees an ass and he goes, om, nom, nom. I think his name was champ, honestly. That sounds right. That sounds right.
01:05:56
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Yeah, it's champer ranger something. I think it's champ. Well, we'll pull it up. All right, man. Well, it was good to have you. ah You're always welcome on the podcast any time and preview the podcast, YouTube, all that. All right. I'm going to hit end here. Oh, wait, where can they find you? Right. That was what I was supposed to ask. ah You can find me at John C. Dev on pretty much anything that is J. A. U. N. C. Y. D. E. V. I make dog videos and that's pretty much it.
01:06:26
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Sounds good.
01:06:29
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