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Speaker: Hey welcome to the Peak Pursuits podcast. This is episode 129. I'm Jess Jason, logging in from sunny Perth. And today I'm joined by regular host Brody. How you going? Yeah, pretty good. Thanks, Jess. um Yeah, pretty nice day down here. like we We usually enter this by talking about the the weather, but it's just that's the thing front of mind. I was just out for a lovely walk in the sun. with Kate and Laura, which was very nice, and Margot and Finlay. So we went for a little bit of a spin in the prams. um So, yeah, it's been a good day. Beautiful. The baby crew. Love it. Yeah. yeah um and today we are also joined by a special guest. She's one of the OG in Australian trail running. um I think...

Speaker: Yeah, definitely one of the biggest names that i first came across of in the sport and has been doing it for many years. um She's just made her eighth Australian team, which is pretty epic. um The one and only Kelly Angel.

Speaker: How are you? Hi guys, I'm good. Thanks for having me. I've also been out for a run in the sunshine. It was lovely. Break up my work day. so Amazing. And um you have been on the podcast a few times, but for people that don't know, you are still based in Melbourne?

Speaker: Yep, based near the Dandenong Ranges. And that's where you do most of your training? It is, yep. We're pretty lucky to... To have the mountain close by, i can be up the top of the mountain in about 5km from home.

Speaker: Amazing. um Do you think, Kelly, you're the person that's done the Glasgow grind the most times ever? That's a good question. I always make that. I look that up. I just see a lot of photos of you at the top with the Smiley Rock.

Speaker: If anyone's seen Kelly's Instagram, you'll see the Smiley Rock sometimes. It just shows how many times she's done that climb. His name is Stumpy. Get it right, Bruce. Oh, it's a stump, not a rock. I should know that.

Speaker: Amazing. So how did it feel making your eighth Australian team? Because what year was it when you had made your first team? The first team was 2015 in Annecy in France.

Speaker: So, yeah, to be coming back 11 years later and still still representing is is pretty amazing. um I guess each each one I sort of think, oh, this is probably it, and then still trying to keep going, find myself there again. So do you remember how you felt when you made that first team? Like super excited, surprised? Like did you expect to make the team? I don't know what my expectations were at the time, but, you know, it was pretty – it was really exciting um and, you know, ah something that i never dreamed of, you know, being possible. So, um you know, that was such an amazing experience. amazing time and I remember my family all came and surprised me um the day before the race and um just made it a really really special event yeah amazing and um how have you seen sort of like trail running progress since then in terms of like the teams that you've been part a part of and like the events that you've traveled for

Speaker: Yeah, look, it's it's progressed a lot. um That first year, i think i I managed to get in the top 20 and um I've never been able to do that again because the competition has just been getting fiercer. um that We've had, you know, many more women competing and and the level of competition has just just gotten higher each each year. um And and it's I'd love to see the participation rates because I imagine it's just, you know, the numbers have have really grown as well. Yeah.

Speaker: But its you know it's taken me to some amazing places um all around the world. And um um it's been great to to sit on the trail committee for ORTRA as well and and I guess help try and improve things for the team and make each each event bigger and better and and more supportive for the Australian athletes.

Speaker: Yeah, amazing. And um so the most recent team that you've made is ah for the long trail at Asia Pacific Champs, which is in Wui Shan in China um in late November.

Speaker: um And you've also been announced as team captain. um So what it what does the role of team captain entail? Like what do you what are your sort of jobs once you land in China? um Yeah, I guess the the role of team captain has changed a lot over the years because um sometimes I'm needed there as ah as ah a full team manager as well. um But this time we're lucky enough to have Simone and Brodie coming over to support that side of things. So um this year I guess it's just focused on on supporting the team, um you know, particularly looking after the junior athletes and those who –

Speaker: have have never represented the country and, um you know, just helping with different logistics and making sure they're all feeling okay. You know, sometimes everyone just needs a hug. You know, it's just being that person to, you know, to share my knowledge and experience and and support the others.

Speaker: And how do you find balancing um being team captain with having to focus on your own race at the championships? um Yeah, look, ah I'm drawn to leadership positions so you know in my in my work life as well as as my sporting life, so um it doesn't phase me too much and I like um you i like having having that role. um This year, you know, it will be nicer to just be able to focus on on the race and the team um as ah as opposed to managing all of the logistics and administration stuff on the side. So, um yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. Cool.

Speaker: And um what led to the decision ah to apply for your eighth Australian team? um Yeah, it's a good question because at the towards the end of last year I wasn't going to apply. um i um I think I did a little bit too much last year and I crashed and burned and learned the hard Just did a few too many long races and, yeah,

Speaker: ah i tore my hamstring ah probably June last year um right before i went to Europe to train with the Hoka team um and do OCC and then World Champs. So I did everything possible to be able to run, but it really took probably close to 12 months to properly heal and feel myself again. um So I really changed my my training. I backed everything right off. i was running five days a week and my long runs were only two hours long.

Speaker: um And that led into um Mount Fuji. so we went ah over to Japan for my 40th. And um the main aim of the trip was to do a crazy bike ride around Shikoku Island. um But we finished off with with Mount Fuji Ultra Trail, the 100-mile event, and which I hadn't really trained all that much for. it I was just you know focused on it being more of an adventure.

Speaker: um And it's really nice going into events when when the pressure's off. um and i actually had ah had a pretty good race and managed top 10 there. And, um yeah, I guess that got me thinking, okay, maybe maybe I can perform and maybe I'm maybe i'm still there. So, yeah, thought I would apply. um I'd also been given a nice box of tea from Janet, the president of ITRA last year. So it was still in the back of my mind that, she you know, she was trying to try and persuade me to be there. so

Speaker: Yeah. Was that the tea from Boya Shan? Yes. Amazing. Yeah, I'm excited to try that. Let me over there.

Speaker: Yeah. Cool. And so how has the training been going? um Because what was your last race? and So um after after mount Fuji, um you know, you normally after a 100-mile race, you'd feel you feel pretty smashed. um But because I didn't have the normal lead-in that I normally would training-wise, I actually felt pretty fresh and ready to go. Yeah. I had a nice lead in to Transcend over in Perth um and, yeah, had ah had a pretty good run there um and had and a couple of weeks downtime recovering from that and then it's been um rebuilding again from there. so um training's been going really well. I've started with James as a new coach um earlier this year and, um yeah, it's been a really, really positive experience so far. Yeah.

Speaker: Awesome. How did you find um Transcend? Like bit of a different different trails over here in Perth? Yeah, for sure. um i wasn't really sure what to expect, um but it was probably a lot harder than than what I realised. Just a lot more steep climbs um and really mixed terrain. So yeah. You know, you've got some really nice single track and then you've got some really rough mountain bike trails, off trail, a bit of navigation required, um lots of stairs. You're really a bit of everything. So, yeah, I really enjoyed it. Apart from the rain. It would have been nice to be able to hang around after the race in the sunshine, but next time. Yeah, next time.

Speaker: um Awesome. And how has, so you started with James Sieber as your new coach. um How has training been different since starting with James? I think the main thing for me is that um he's been really engaged and interested and, um you know, gives me a lot of feedback and we have a lot of communication. So, um you know, it's, yeah, I guess so far he's been been the most engaged coach that I have had in my career and, um yeah, it's been a really, really good start.

Speaker: Yeah, because I guess you moved from more of like a bigger coaching business. So you've got someone now that has sort of a smaller cohort of athletes to focus on, which is nice.

Speaker: Yeah. Awesome. and what does the training block look like leading up into Asia Pacific Champs? Do you have any more races in between? um Yeah, so we're going to head away camping with the family for the last weekend of school holidays and – race down in Beechworth this weekend and then um we'll do do the 33 at GPT as a final sort of leading race.

Speaker: Oh, wow. So is that a week before or two weeks before? It's two weeks before, yep. Yep. Awesome. ah Yeah, that'll be epic. feel like, um yeah, the ter we've sort of had a look at the terrain a little bit in Wushan. It looks um kind of like Blue Mountains-esque with a lot of stairs cut out of rocks, but I assume GPT would be like a really good training ground for that sort of terrain as well, having a lot of rock faces to run on.

Speaker: Yeah, I hope so. And yeah, no that no I know Grampians pretty well, so um it should be just an a nice fun way to sort of round out the training block. Yeah. And um have you raced in China before?

Speaker: um i haven't raced in China itself, but I have raced in Asia a lot. So um I've raced the Nine Dragons in Hong Kong. If you stairs, nine dragons. is I've also run the Hong Kong 100 last year um and I raced in Vietnam, South Korea and Japan. So I'm pretty familiar with Asian racing. um It's always quite enjoyable and it's nice to go somewhere where you don't have to travel so far, um you know, when you compare it to the the flight times and travel for Europe. So, yeah.

Speaker: Are you going to incorporate any sort of heat training or like humidity training into your blog? Probably not. um Look, if I knew that was going to be super hot, I probably would try to, but I don't think it's going to be like that. It it will be humid.

Speaker: um But it's hard juggling a family now. um You know, leading up to Western States, I did a lot of heat training in the sauna, um but I wasn't working then um anywhere near as much. So, you know, I could,

Speaker: flex around a lot but now um you know the actual run training takes takes priority and trying to fit other stuff in gets a bit challenging so yeah i could get in the bath but there's just so much effort yeah yeah because are you working full time now uh essentially i work in in my in my um ah occupational therapy leadership role, um seven days a fortnight and then I'm coaching as well. so yeah yeahp Yeah. Yeah, that's a busy life with two young kids as well. Yes.

Speaker: How, like are you travelling with the family to China? No, not this time. um I guess that's the other challenge. It gets a lot more expensive to travel as a family of four. so um I'll just be going solo this time.

Speaker: yeah we've We've agreed we'll try and take the kids on one one international race holiday, yeah. Yeah. and how long before the race are you planning to arrive? and so I'm going to head over on the Friday before. um So i guess the aim will be to do a final little longer run um on the Sunday before the race um on course.

Speaker: Yeah. And yeah I like to be there a little bit earlier just to get over the travel and um just sort of settle in and and um know where to find all the food and, you know, all those all of those things.

Speaker: Yeah. Um, yeah, amazing. I think, yeah, I'd be keen to, for you to run us through, um, a typical training week. So like maybe thinking of, yeah, like what you're going to be doing in the lead up to,

Speaker: GPT and Asia Pacific terms. um Yeah, like Monday to Sunday. What does your week look like? Yeah, sure. So I guess I don't really know yet because James has been really sick.

Speaker: But a typical week. Monday i normally go to the gym and do a strength workout in the morning and then do an easy run on my lunch break, anywhere possible. um Tuesday I head to the track um and do some sort of threshold work or intervals.

Speaker: um Wednesday, head to the gym again, um do another strength workout. um Usually that's a run free day. um Then Thursdays, I do an early morning session on the mountain, um trying to incorporate a few more stairs at this point. And sometimes I'll do a double run day if I'm leading trails and nails that night. Yeah.

Speaker: Friday is another sort of easy ah run day, maybe with some hill sprints. And Saturday is usually some sort of trail session, trail sort of threshold session, and then Sunday long run.

Speaker: Most of the time. Maybe mix it up. hope by Yeah. yes Pretty quality week. Lots of good stuff in there. yeah that's the The amount of strength that you do there, given that you're already you're also doing sort of sounds like three quality sessions in and the long run. Is that something that's new with James or is that something that you've always done? Because I know he does have a ah strong focus on on strength work. Yeah, no, after I had the kids, um I made a really solid effort to start doing some strength work twice a week.

Speaker: um Well, I say start. I'd always done strength work. I was a ah body pump coach back in the day um as well. But yeah, making it more of a non-negotiable that I was going to be doing two sessions a week.

Speaker: um and when I crashed and burned towards the end of last year I um I joined the local strength gym and started doing um um and that was just a really nice way to mix things up and um you know have someone else telling me what to do and building another different community I guess of of of new friends and and um you know they really taught me how to lift properly as well um so yeah try and and do that i still have have made that non-negotiable with james that i go to to one class a week and then do one session a week

Speaker: Okay, fantastic. Nice one. And in terms of getting started with James and and and then working through towards the end of the year, um was there anything that that you identified together that was like something, like obviously you've been running for so long um and you have a lot of experience and a lot of training behind you. Was there anything you identified as...

Speaker: I want to we need to work, well, not we need to, but this is something that we could work on a little bit more or something that we could strengthen a bit more, a weakness maybe that was still hanging around? Was there anything you identified? I think the main thing is... um doing a lot more threshold work and threshold our work on the trails.

Speaker: um So i was probably used to doing a lot of, um I guess, more sessions, like specific hill rep sessions or things like that, but, you know, changing the focus a little bit to to doing a bit more rolling trail threshold work, which really helped me at the end. Yeah.

Speaker: Is that more that the trails is the new component, like doing it specifically on trail terrain, like say like rolling stuff, or is it that the intensity is different? Like a you lower, like that sort of moderately hard intensity more of that stuff?

Speaker: Yeah, correct. Yeah. Yeah, nice. yeah Fantastic. probably Yeah, I think that... I'm probably going too hard in some of my sessions and, you just pulling that back a little bit. Yeah, and it's so it's so easy to do that and I seem to see this... We see this a lot everywhere and I see it so much in my own training and my own approach is that we always... We get pulled towards more is more. in everything is like, I feel like carbs is the other one that I i see a lot at the moment is more more appears to be more always. as no that There's not as much a people thinking about the nuance all the time. So yeah, it's it's cool to hear focusing in on that. And I, ah yeah, I feel like that doing some fast, not some controlled intensity on actual trails is something that maybe in Australia where we

Speaker: grow up in a very running background I think a lot of us have done a lot of running road running track running that sort of stuff we may be mis transitioning it into the real specifics so yeah that sounds great hopefully that sure that pays off yeah at transcend did you feel like that like I think you I don't know how long you've been working with James before transcend but was it in turn maybe even like It sounds like Mount Fuji was a great performance for you, but um you said the end of last year was was tricky. Do you feel like you're sort of on your way back to some some really good form again? like is if you Have you got some motivation that there's something still left there, like you've still got a few years in the bank? Yeah, for sure. And that's the thing. I turned 40 this year, so you you really don't know.

Speaker: what you've got left. um But, you know, i want to make the most of the time that I've got left and um I'm definitely in a better frame of mind and my body's feeling much better. And even Tegan will say, you know, you sound hopeful again, whereas before, you know, towards the end of last year, I was probably...

Speaker: you know, feeling the opposite way and, you know, sort of like, oh, this is the end, this is it. yeah Yeah. Whereas, you know, but I know that we've got so many amazing older um role models, um you know, other mums out there that are doing amazing things. um You know, look at Emily Schmitz, a friend from from the Hoka team, you know, she just came second at UTMB. She's 45. Yeah. you know the rest You know, I would like to think that I've still got still got a few years in the bank.

Speaker: Yeah, amazing. Well, you're giving you're but you're one of those people now for us to all look towards and say, look how good, I can still i can still run through to 40. That's what I'm hoping anyway. You're motivating me to keep pushing on.

Speaker: Exactly. You will come back from this injury, Brody. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the hope. Fantastic. Awesome. I mean, I'm very excited to see how you race at Asia Pacific and and everyone else in the team, Jess included. So it's going to be it's going to be really fun. Totally, yeah.

Speaker: Really, really excited and I'm really proud to have a couple of athletes in the team too that I coach. So, yeah, I'm excited to see how they go as That's awesome. that's very That's very cool to have those those people. like I think one of them is one of the junior athletes as well. Is that right? Is that someone you've been coaching for a little while?

Speaker: Yeah, no, um fairly recently, um Iris. um So, yeah, she looking forward to see how she goes. And then the other one is Josh. So um he was, I think he was a wildcard entry. So, um yeah, but if you've seen some of his performances, he's pretty incredible. So I'm glad that I managed to get him on the team.

Speaker: Yeah, it's awesome. King of the Dandies, he's got some some of some really tough segments on the dandies that I don't think people are touching. Yeah.

Speaker: Very nice. Is there anything like you would say to yourself, like thinking back to when you started trail running in like 2015 or earlier, um that you would say to yourself like given everything you've learned now? Yeah.

Speaker: Particularly. I think it's, you know, I'm not sure that I would do anything differently. I've i've taken every opportunity that's come my way um to go and see the world. um And that's been the funnest part. It's just, you know, using using race races to travel and to find destinations that you wouldn't necessarily choose to go on holiday. um But, you know, finding yourself in these amazing places and, um you know, I haven't,

Speaker: refrain from competing against the best athletes in the world and you know I've managed to find the the toughest competition and and some of the biggest races and um that's just helped me grow as an athlete and and you know learn from different experiences and and push on so yeah it's been it's been pretty cool no and you've been like pretty consistent over the years like you said you had a little hammy niggle at the end of last year but other than that um have you had many injuries No, I've been pretty lucky, touch wood.

Speaker: You know, I think that it comes with, for me, you know, actually having a career and having um a family and having all these other aspects of life. um You know, I haven't had time to be, um you know, to be too focused on the running as ah as the sole thing. um And, you know, I haven't had time to do too much mileage or anything. So I've never, You know, I've i've never done anything particularly excessively compared to lots of the people that I compete against and um I think that just helps with putting things but into perspective and um listening to your body and, and you know, taking a chill pill when you need to and and finding ways to rehab things that that might be, you know, causing a bit of grief. Yeah.

Speaker: yeah Sounds like you are much smarter than me in your long longer career than mine as well. so yeah We can all learn a lot from Kelly in that regard, I think. Be smart and take opportunities. So

Speaker: um oh so is there anything else you're going to focus on in the lead up to Asia Pacific Champs other than stairs? like Anything else you're going to change like nutrition-wise? Yeah. I don't think so. I managed to get the the nutrition i'm really good at Transcend. So hopefully I can um just extend that out a little because that has been ah a bit problematic in the past. um So, yeah, I would like to think that that that wo will work. Yeah.

Speaker: But obviously being in Asia, you know, who we're going to be eating a lot of rice and noodles. and Whether I choose to do that in the race or not, i'm not sure yet. We'll see. yeah um But, yeah, other than that, I think it's just mostly, yeah, trying to trying to get strong on the stairs again, similar to what I would do for UTA training.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, yeah the the the terrain looks like a weird combination of the Blue Mountains and the Grampians mashed together because there's all these like staircases built into granite rocks that look like the Grampians.

Speaker: Yeah, and I guess the second decision will be, you know, whether whether to pole or not to pole, but um I'm probably leaning towards not at this stage, having raced UTA and GPT without really using them much.

Speaker: Yeah, right. And is that because of the stairs? Yeah, and and because there's no there's not really any particularly long climbs from what we know. That may change. So we're still waiting on the course. But, um yeah, I think if there were some really big climbs, you know, 1,000 metres sort of thing, then I would. But um I think everything's going to be a lot shorter.

Speaker: It will be steep. But, yeah, we've just got to practice some hiking potentially as well. Yep. And my technical down. So i guess one of the the key things that Jane's analysed after Transcend was that compared to first and third place, I lost a lot of time on all of the downhills. So I am trying to become a downhill beast. Let's see if that works for me. My Thursday morning crew are ah kind of hating me for it because rather than just pushing the ups now, we're pushing the downs as well. um

Speaker: But, yeah. It's fun. It's it's an interesting um thing I've been chatting with a few friends about ah of that risk rating after you have kids um and whether that's what has changed, um you know, because it does come with confidence and and the fear of falling and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah.

Speaker: It's taking a few more risks. so um yeah yeah, trying to find some more confidence again. Yeah, because I i feel like running down stairs is a bit trickier as well um if you're not used to it. off going In South Korea, lots of the stairs were really uniform and like timber stairs, right? So it would often be too small to do singles. But if you tried to do doubles, you'd start having this optical illusion it would just mess your head and you're worried about falling flat on your face. So it's a real skill. And if you watch some of Asian athletes, you know, they're incredible.

Speaker: um At Hong Kong 100 too, some of those stairs were so big and they're just, you know, I described it at the time as jumping off tables over and over again. And you watch some of these guys just fly down. was, yeah, quite amazing. Yeah.

Speaker: well So will you do some downhill stair reps as well in your training? I think I need to, yes. That's for discussion with James, but yes, I think I need to. yeah tricky It's tricky finding like big – I think I've spoken to this about a few people that are doing races that are stairs, whether it's UTA or whether it's some of these races in Asia that have a lot of stairs. And it's not the easiest thing to find like a staircase that goes for long enough um apart from maybe in a big building, but I don't know how you get access to one of those. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure. I've got like a couple of good routes that I do over in Fentany Gully, but yeah, they're not super long. Oh, yeah, you could go down a thousand steps, except that's probably chaos, isn't it? Well, we're not allowed. It's one way down. Oh, it's one way. But you can go down Lyrebird, and I've got a few other secret spots around near the Anglis Hospital. Yeah.

Speaker: um But I really hate using the stepper as well. like i I'm a little fearful of that thing. So we'll see. I prefer to do it outside. Have you had an accident on one before?

Speaker: No. I can't imagine going down on one of them. like That would be. kind Have you tried to go down on it, like backwards? Oh, I was going to say that's wild. I can't imagine trying to do that.

Speaker: I was saying the same. It's hard enough to go up on that, let alone go down.

Speaker: That's the next crazy training technique is jump on the stepper and turn around and go back the other way. It's like the treadmill one, right? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: So funny. Yeah. Well, Thank you for that. I think, um yeah, it's going to be epic seeing how you go in Asia-Pacific terms. I'm really excited to hear that you feel like you have like a refreshed mindset going into racing this year. So, yeah, I think that's that's a huge part of it. Like mindset, um yeah, having a strong mindset going into racing is so important. So I'm really excited for you.

Speaker: And I remember watching you crush the Lavarito 80K. So 80K is a good distance for you. I think it is a good distance for me, yeah. It's sort of um short enough that I can normally get through, hopefully, without gut issues and being able to get nutrition in, um but long enough that I can keep up the pace. So we'll see. Fingers crossed.

Speaker: Nice one. Beautiful. Cool. Well, um yeah, Kelly, if you need to jump off to tend to your children, that's totally fine. But, Brodie, how are you going?

Speaker: Yeah, pretty good. I was on um i was on last week, so I probably don't have heaps to update. But um yeah, I'm going all right. Probably the main thing that happened since last week, I can now do... I'm very happy about this. I can do pogo hops, like double leg with a... like holding on to a resistance band. um It still doesn't feel like I'm doing heaps on my left leg. Like it's hard to get the sensation of...

Speaker: full power because the power difference between my two cars is so different um but it's it feels meaningful so yeah that's probably been the biggest progress i had a chat to my physio he thinks that i'm still going to be about two months off running which was not exactly what i wanted to hear but was sort of what i expected based on my progress so far um so yeah a little bit frustrating but I was already realizing that that was probably the case. It's been a lot slower than I thought.

Speaker: And um yeah, I've just got to be patient and and take it as it is. um so yeah, I'm not too worried. I'm very busy at the moment. So to be honest, it's good to not have to worry about training too much. I've just got to get to the gym and make sure I do my rehab and ride to and from work so it's uh yeah I feel i I feel healthy I feel i was saying to someone I feel I feel fit for the things that I need to do I feel like a fit healthy person I'm not sure that would translate to running a 20k hard race or or longer but um I definitely yeah I feel I feel good in myself so I think that's the main thing probably good and have you been able to go on like longer rides or you're still just doing like commuting Mostly commuting. um i did do a longer ride yesterday. um and again, i just like, I don't know. I think as my calf gets stronger, I feel like I can push a bit more and then I still get a little bit sore. But that soreness didn't translate much into today. Whereas when I was doing this,

Speaker: about a month, maybe month and a half ago, i would then get a bit sore in the ankle for a few days. So I think it's progressing, um but I'm also not pushing it. But what has i got a lot better is going upstairs. I can walk upstairs on my toes, which I couldn't do. Like I would have to have my heel on the ground to sort of, I couldn't essentially hold my weight with my s sollus So I couldn't sort of go upstairs with my my heel hanging off the ground, whereas now I can. And I think that's translated to the stepper actually being beneficial, whereas I think when I was doing it maybe a month ago, ah probably wasn't achieving anything, especially on the calf.

Speaker: um Whereas now I feel like it's probably the most effective exercise training I can do um ah without sort of aggravating my foot because the long ride still seem to. Unfortunately, it's hard to accumulate like a lot of volume on it. So I'm still doing this short, sharp sessions. But given I'm a bit time poor, it's actually not too bad. And yeah, hopefully I can be in decent uphill shape off the back of that for at least a short race when I come back. Hopefully that translates into the running. But again, I'm not

Speaker: I'm not too worried about pushing things. I've done too many years of pushing the needle and um just need to chill out and let it come as it comes.

Speaker: I've got till 40, supposedly. Yeah. More longer. Probably 40. Let's say

Speaker: thanks So, yeah, it's ah it's ah slow but okay. Yeah. And how um has it been since you've been named as the one of the team managers for Asia Pacific Champs?

Speaker: Has there been like much work to do already on that? Yeah, a little bit busy, probably busier than sort of i I thought maybe. You know, these things are always a bit more involved than you realize, like what happens behind the scenes. And I've been on teams and stuff. I've done team management before. I think always you just don't realize the little bits and pieces that you end up doing. um me and Simone are very keen to try and support the team like I bought I think Simone is as well but I was very keen to support the athletes as much as they can because that's something that I would want if I was an athlete so yeah hopefully we can give the athletes the best possible environment both in the lead up and at the event

Speaker: And I think that that obviously takes a little bit of work, but um it's great because, yeah, I've done some team management and orienteering before, so it's something I enjoy doing, um team coaching stuff. um So it's nice to still be involved in trail running even if I can't run um and right at the moment. And, yeah, something that I'm definitely keen to be involved in in the future as well. Like I do, obviously I do my coaching, so I really enjoy the coaching side of things. So I think it bleeds. It's nice. Those two things link up really.

Speaker: really well um and I've got a couple of athletes who are running in Asia Pacific as well so that's really cool um I'm going to look forward to helping them prepare specifically for the event as well as the whole team so yeah it's ah there's lots of things keeping me involved which is great so yeah it's funny I i don't think I've ever felt so ah relaxed about not training in my life so that's pretty good yeah We're very happy to have you there, Brodie. And I think it's a really key point that there's so many other ways to be involved when you can't run.

Speaker: You know, you can volunteer at the races. you can jump on the some of the ultra things. Like there's, you know, there's a heaps of options to to still stay, stay involved and help the community. For sure. Yeah. I'm hoping to get along to roller coaster in a few weeks. So I got one of my athletes racing, um but I also, yeah, just keen to be at the event. um I've got to figure out what's actually possible before I put my hand up to do something and be away for too much time from the family. But um yeah, I'm looking forward to,

Speaker: getting involved in, in a non non competitive sense myself. And I think it'll bleed quite nicely into coming back as an athlete as well. Um, that I will hopefully not push myself too much to the absolute limit. That's what I'm hoping. Cause that's what I've done in the past. So I'm hoping if I've got other priorities, then, then the running, like I don't have to absolutely take my stuff to the limit. I can, um, I can sort of just enjoy it. And, uh, and enjoy being a part of other people's journeys as well. For sure.

Speaker: Yeah, I was pretty stoked when I saw your name announced as team manager because I feel like we really needed someone like you at Worlds last year. Yeah. Hopefully. um yeah Yeah. I like this stuff is like, so it's funny because me and James are very similar. We we have a, like a regular phone call cause we both obviously do some coaching um and we love nerding out on this stuff as, yeah as probably all the listeners realize how much we love talking about this stuff and, and getting into the nitty gritty. So yeah, it's a good opportunity to do that for the benefit of other people rather than sort of just me and James talking about race results or something like that. So um yeah, it's, it's, yeah, I've enjoyed that aspect and I love sort of like orienteering. We do a lot of like figuring out as much information before you turn up. So I'm very used to that sort of approach. So I'm bringing a little bit of that hopefully to the team. Yeah, bring in the hype. gonna really yeah I think but you also have a really good understanding of what happens on the ground. And, um you know, having your support in in South Korea was was amazing. um So yeah, it's nice to be able to translate that um more formally. Yeah, it's going be great. And um I'm very excited because we've managed to get, we have some crew coming along as part of the team as well that we can, that Autra can have, the allotted spaces for accommodation. So we can at least pay for their, Autra can at least pay for their accommodation or or not pay for their accommodation, but it's covered. um yeah And one of the people that's going to come along and help is going to help with socials, um which I think is going to be so good um for both the team and the individuals and also Ortra itself in terms of showcasing trail running and and what they do. And, um yeah, I'm hoping that that will be really key. So, yeah, it's great to have Lily coming along to help out with that stuff and she's very keen. So, yeah, hopefully everyone will see a bit of content coming out both before and during the the championship about ah the athletes preparing and then and then the racing that actually does happen. So keep your eyes peeled on the Ultra page.

Speaker: Yeah, epic. It's going to be pretty cool. I'm excited. And Jess, you are also in the team. I don't know. No, we haven't spoken because you went on last week. We announced the team. So this is the first time we've, I think you alluded to it a couple of times, but it was before we were allowed to say that you're in the team. yeah You're running the short trail. ah How's the the sort of recovery from OCC and then and then sort of obviously getting back into it towards Asia Pacific going?

Speaker: um Yeah, it's been pretty insane. I feel like, um yeah, I'm a bit over like a month now post and I feel like super fit. Like I think I, yeah, just like backing off after for a couple of weeks.

Speaker: um i Yeah, I did still do like some easy runs for like the first couple of weeks after OCC but I think I did like just little enough to allow that adaptation. So I feel pretty amazing which is super nice. um So good.

Speaker: Yeah. um that's it that's a um That's a shout out to Coach Kate and also just being conservative after doing a race, I think. like I think people have a tendency to rush back into things and i was actually saying this to Kate today when I saw her. I said, um i was we talked about you, but I was just talking about an athlete that I coach who who I got to have a break after their big race and they're feeling the fit fitter than they did before the race.

Speaker: um And i because I think if you play your cards right, you can you can do this. So, yeah, it's great that you've been able to feel like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um yeah, I don't know. I think just last week I had, I felt like I had one of the best training weeks I've had in like all year.

Speaker: um And I was only like week two into doing sessions. So I'm pretty excited and it makes me want to race in between now and now.

Speaker: Asia-Pacific champs, but we'll see how we go. I've got my eyes on rollercoaster potentially but haven't signed up yet, we'll see. um I think that would be that'd be a good race for preparation, I think, that and the that both the that and the GPT race, either of those. Like they're both pretty relevant, I think. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: um But, yeah, I think like I'm also conscious of just like not peaking too early. um i think sometimes when when you're in this kind of phase of like being super fit, it's it's really easy to like get carried away, um especially for someone like me. so I think, yeah, as long as I can just stick to the plan and not do too much. then I think um I'm really, yeah, I'm really excited um to see how I feel at Asia Pacific because, um yeah, it was so cool being part of the event two years ago um just because, like, the Aussies did really well. Like, we had a few Aussies on the podium um and in the short trail Trish was fifth and I was seventh. So, like, we were right up there. Um, so it's really cool to think that like, if you have a good day, you could be like close to the podium. Um, it just makes it like such an exciting, exciting, um, race to plan for and train for.

Speaker: Um. Definitely, yeah. And I think, like, based on, like, obviously OCC was a great race for you. i Well, like, personally, I thought it was it was really good. um And if you're feeling even fitter after that, I think you're going to be pretty dangerous in China. So, that's yeah, that's exciting too to hear. And, um yeah, it's like you said, it's good to have race...

Speaker: closer to home but also one that maybe like there's still going to be great depth there but it's not as maybe overwhelming as a potential OCC or world champs it's a nice stepping stone and ah a good chance to be competing for the top five um so yeah that's awesome I'm really interested to see if there's many Chinese athletes um this time because um in Korea they I believe they don't have a national organization um like we do. And so they were a few individual athletes, but they didn't actually have a team.

Speaker: um But being in China, I wonder how that's going to differ. Yeah, I actually have no idea. yeah There's lots of great Chinese athletes. exactly Exactly. Yeah, we'll see. It might be a deeper field than last time, but I feel like it's still i don't know it's still good to like have big parent-nation goals. Yeah, for sure. was so proud of the team last time. It was amazing.

Speaker: Yeah, and we've got a really strong team across the board this year as well, um possibly even stronger than we had last time. We've definitely got more more depth this time. So, um yeah, it's going to be great to see. Yeah. um But, yeah, like terrain-wise, I'm thinking it'd be nice to get back to the Blue Mountains if I can once I'm back in Canberra because I think it looks so similar. Yeah.

Speaker: And, yeah, just wanting, yeah, like to practice running downstairs because that was like the really like slow point for me in South Korea, like what um Kelly was saying with like the stairs that all were super short together and like look the same. um so i yeah, I'd really like to practice running downstairs, especially if there's going to be long sort of sets of stairs because I feel like you can lose a lot of time down there if you're not super confident going down definitely um yeah yeah i know particularly for myself i've i've been able to make up a lot of time on going downhill on stairs it's been um yeah it's been useful for me in the past it definitely is like yeah obviously you have to be strong across the board but it's always good to work on an area that you feel like you could make some you can make some big gains in so i think that yeah that sounds like a smart smart choice Yeah, um and yeah, I guess the only other thing I've changed is I'm back to three gym sessions a week, so that's nice and painful. um I feel like I just have DOMS every day, but um while the running volume isn't like crazy high and the long runs are like only –

Speaker: like two hours or so, um it's sort of doable. And like I think for a short period of time at the start of the block, like it's just a good opportunity to get super strong, especially if there's going to be like a lot of short, steep climbs, like I think, and on stairs, like I think that's quite muscular endurance.

Speaker: Definitely. So, yeah, that's what I'm changing at the moment just for the start of the block. Yeah, and you need a lot of power for that that stuff. And I think like the – The sort of gym training that that you do probably translates really well into that, um being really strong on those uphills. Yeah, it's um it's been kind of like six to eight rep stuff. So like not super power-based but like still in that strength building yeah kind of realm.

Speaker: Yeah. But your key lifts like double leg squats, hip thrusts, like – reverse lunge, step up, things like those.

Speaker: yeah Beautiful. Yeah, nice one. And I'm sure you're lifting at least double what I lift. I said to Lachie, I think I'm his weakest athlete and he said, I think you might be. I'm like, I'm trying. I'm just built this way. I'm not that strong.

Speaker: um I'm being the best. I just aim to be the strongest version of myself. Don't compare. Yeah. well so that's cool no you can take the running downstairs and i'll take the hip thrusts Yeah, yeah, trade. Okay, deal. Lock that in. I don't think we can change either of those things too much, though. I don't think I'm ever going to hip thrust more than you. And I might i might take you on the stairs. We'll see. We'll do a race one time.

Speaker: You beat me now, I'll tell you that. All right. I think Kelly has to go. So thanks so much for joining. Thanks for having me, guys. Have a great night. Awesome, Kelly.

Speaker: Thanks so much for joining us. Cheers. Bye. See ya. So now going to get into some news topics. A quick break in the show to thank Bix. Bix has just come out with their 30 gram gel in two brand new flavors. This is a new gel, new flavors. You've got the choice of the salted strawberry or the berry. The salted strawberry is also packing 300 milligrams of sodium as an increase, whereas the berry has 200 milligrams. Both make them perfect for the conditions we have in Australia, whereas most gels on the market do not have sodium within them. What Bix has done here is take the recipe for the gels that work so well, that 1.8 ratio that is very, very friendly on the stomach and added a soft, subtle, but very tasty twist that you can dial in your race day and your training nutrition to that extra fine detail. As you know, bix has been supporting the show from the start and it literally helps keep the podcast coming to you every week. So if you want to support the show, level up your own nutrition game, head over to the Bix website, use our brand new code PEAK, P-E-A-K for 20% off at checkout. And with that, let's get back to the show.

Speaker: So we have had the Q90 Mountain Run announce some athletes' support on their Instagram page. um So this is what the post says. The applications are open now um and this is for support for heading over to Tassie for the Australian Mountain and Trail Running Championships, which is going to be hosted by cunani Mountain Run in 2027.

Speaker: um so they're wanting to bring together a really deep field to make the Australian champs really competitive um and part of that is offering support to athletes that may not have a sponsorship that gives them sort of funds to travel um which is yeah it's a really cool initiative because it means that um like younger runners um will be able to head over and Yeah, I think it's it's awesome. um What are your thoughts, Brady? Yeah, I know that Lincoln earlier in, I don't know if he was speaking about it when he was on the podcast or um maybe I was speaking to him outside of it, but he really wanted to help.

Speaker: he like He wants a really good field there because it's the Australian Championships. Obviously, it's his event, so it would be great to have a really strong field there, but he wants to support as many people to do that. and I know he was tossing up whether they should offer prize money as that sort of like an attraction to get more people there or to go down the athlete support route and they decided to be like, okay, well, if we can funnel all of the funds that we could associate to that just to athlete support, then we can support more people to come. So, yeah, it's it's great, I think. like ah We talked a little bit about this when we were talking about Transcend and is it like would people, ah can't remember who we asked, it was someone we had on um and it was like would you prefer to have the chance to win prize money or would you prefer to

Speaker: not get any prize money, ah but be supported to go. And and a company that person was talking. Obviously, those two work. um That person was saying that was the support. And because then you don't have to like, there's not as much pressure on performing. You obviously will still want to perform as best you can. um But also, I think it's a better way to support more more people. So, yeah, I think for this sort of race, the Australian Championships versus some other races, it's more appropriate to have prize money. um i think this for this race the athlete support is a really good idea and it's great that um km are sort of taking the lead on this and getting as many people down there as possible yeah i think it's really cool and it kind of follows um the same model as like the athletics national champs like they don't give prize money there but uh i assume they offer like accommodation support and things like that to um

Speaker: like entice their athletes, the bigger athletes to come. So and it's all about bringing the best fields together so that um the event is more legit and creates hype and excitement. And that's what we want in the sport. So it's really cool. Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, if people are interested, you can head over to the Australian Champs website. So there's an Australian Champs page on the KMR website. And if you scroll down to the bottom, there's the the information there. is open...

Speaker: it is open Now, opened on the 25th and it closes on the 18th of October. So make sure you put your nomination or your application in for athlete support if if you're interested. um and yeah, you can find all the information over at the KMR website um to have a look there.

Speaker: Yeah, and then the other bit of news that we have for this week um comes out of Cunani Mountain Run as well. and they're actually introducing new state and territory rankings, um which will come out of the Australian Mountain and Trail Running Champs next year. um And I guess, yeah, that it looks like they are trying to follow suit with what what Australian athletics do um in athletics ah where um the athletes will have like a state or territory that they're signed up to with a club and –

Speaker: They're a state champ, so they have like rankings um in that way. So I guess it just adds in another layer of competition um within our national champs in trail. um So I assume, yeah, they'll be announcing the podiums for each state and territory, um which is really cool.

Speaker: Yeah, I'm a big fan of this. I think like it's a nice way to start bringing it ah bring some sort of state-level organization together as well. Obviously, we have Autra, but it's a nice way to sort of set the scene to...

Speaker: organize some more state level things that then can help develop the sport in these areas so yeah I think I think it's really cool and it's nice to be able ah to compete for a team um I think running is an individual sport but a lot of people enjoy the part of running for a team as I know a lot of people who want to go and represent Australia is part of A big part of that for people is they want to represent Australia and be a part of the team.

Speaker: um So this gives an opportunity for yeah everyone really to be dear part of their state team. I don't know exactly how it works. It looks like because there's there's not sort of the same clubs as maybe athletics clubs all the state organizations necessarily, i think yeah it's based on like what state you enter with. So you can like designate what state you are from when you enter and then, yeah, it looks like they'll add up all the results across and name a winning state or a podium for the state and territory. So, yeah, that's I'm a big fan. I really like this.

Speaker: Yeah, and I think it will also um contribute to having deeper fields because there's like an extra layer of Yeah, like representing a team, but also like extra layer of competition and incentive um to be on the podium for your state or territory. So yeah, it's it's an awesome idea.

Speaker: Yeah, KMR doing great things next year for the Australian Champs. So, yeah, if you're not already thinking about it, then start thinking about it because it's going to be a very cool event down in Tasmania. And, ah yeah, for those who've been to KMR before, you know how how cool the event is. For those who haven't, hopefully you've seen it. But, yeah, I think this year it's definitely taking it to a new level with with the sort of things that we were talking about today. So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.

Speaker: Awesome. And, yeah, the next bit of news that we have for this week um is UTMB related. So ah they have changed the way that people can qualify ah for the UTMB finals. So ah the way they've changed that is with the majors, which includes ah races like UTA um and Chiang Mai and a few others. um But basically what they've changed is that age group championship champions will no longer have a direct auto qualifier. So they will still offer ah auto qualifier for the top 10 finishes in both male and female.

Speaker: um But they won't be offering it anymore to anyone outside of that top 10 that has placed first in their age group. um And, yeah, I assume that comes out of the UTMB finals and the Chamonix Mayor wanting to reduce numbers a little bit on the trails um just because it is getting a little bit out of hand. Yeah.

Speaker: So, yeah, thoughts on that, Ray? It's interesting. It's another sort of like, I don't know, UTMB seems to be like growing faster than it can control what's going on and and therefore these things always seem really rushed and a bit confusing when they release them. I think this was most this was shared on Instagram rather than not only like anywhere else and it was a bit like,

Speaker: confusing in the post exactly what it meant. um So it was it was a bit weird. um But like James has found a nice article sort of summarizing it and it sounds like maybe obviously they they didn't want people thinking that they could – ah qualify for the finals ah in an age group and therefore entering an event. And there was lots of registrations. They have so many events now. One of them being, I think, the the European major Valderran. I think the timing was that registrations were about to open. and They didn't want anyone signing up thinking they could qualify and then not being able to. So, yeah, they yeah it seems like they're they're having a lot of issues trying to keep up with things changing. And and and it sounds like probably it is...

Speaker: driven by the what's going on in the chamonix valley and trying to avoid overcrowding that this change takes it from 210 qualifiers down to 60 so it does make a fair difference uh the bit that was a bit vague was they said they're not removing age group qualifications they're coming up with a new system that they hadn't announced so i think it sort of left a lot of questions open but they obviously hadn't had enough time to finalize that yet. um So yeah, I'm assuming they get a lot of criticism for this, but I think in general, they're trying to do the right thing and not disadvantage people who were entering thinking they were getting something and they're just trying to keep up with with things. i don't know. I'm a bit of an optimist. So to me, I'm like, I think they're just trying to, it wasn't that they were trying to keep anyone in the dark. They were trying to get what information out they could, but yeah, was it seemed a bit messy. Yeah, I don't know. I think I was always kind of shocked by like how many entries they would give um at the majors. I thought it was a bit extreme. Because if you think about every age group that they do because they're not – they're quite small age ranges as well that they do the age champion champions by. So i think I think it makes sense as like a first protocol of cutting down the numbers. yeah devyn like To me, it makes sense. I think there'll be like a lot of age group runners, especially because they didn't announce like what the what the new qualification would look like. I think there's a lot of age group people who would have been

Speaker: betting like that's their route to the final potentially. um So there will probably be a lot of some disappointed people but I also like yeah I agree with you. I think the from like watching UTMB finals from afar, it did it does like you can tell the impact that it has on the Chamonix Valley and I think yeah trying to manage that as much as possible so that the event can continue is is is probably the most important thing um and some sacrifices will need to be made unfortunately.

Speaker: Yeah. um Cool. So moving on the last bit of news that we had for this week was um that the Run Rabbit Run 100 Mile in the US announced a some big prize money so 100k us for first place male and female in 2027 and 2028 um yeah that's that's big money so it's so much money it's crazy

Speaker: Yeah, so I guess, yeah, I don't know who the sponsors are, but um they seem to just love the sport over there and just get around it. Yeah, so from what I understand, it's coming from a like ah outside of trail running sponsor. um I can't remember what exactly they were called. I'm trying to find it in this article. I listened to ah the free trial coverage that they were talking about this. um I can't remember what the company does. They call it the Insight Global.

Speaker: um i'm not I think they do. I can't remember actually what they do. Anyway, oh, staffing agency. they put like um They put people in different jobs across the world, sounds like. But, yeah, I don't know why they've got so much money. I think potentially there was chat that the CEO is an ultra on himself and he's – I think it's just something – so it sounded like a little bit of like ah his interest area. um But, yeah, it's – it's It's cool to sort of see these ah sort of non-trail running brands getting involved. um

Speaker: Yeah, I don't know exactly the ins and outs of what they do and their impact. So that's ah another kettle of fish. But it it sounds like then it's not like it's ah a big oil brand or something like that. um So it might be something that's a bit more um ethical to some extent. But yeah, it's huge money. um It'll be interesting to see how that impacts...

Speaker: like attendance, like will we see some of the best runners from outside of the US go to the US to go for that race? It sits in September. So it's like after UTMB, before Worlds in Cape Town. So it's it is somewhat like clashing with those two things.

Speaker: um given that it is the the sort of 100-mile event. um So, yeah, um yeah it can only its can only shake things up a little bit. Supposedly, Run Rabbit Run have always been at the forefront of doing this sort of stuff in terms of prize purses and prize money and that sort of thing. So, yeah, they're just taking it to the next level.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure. It's it's exciting. um For people over in the US, I'm sure there'll be lots of big names that will want to do that race now. Maybe if Juliet Sewell's listening to this, we can send her on behalf Australia. Well, we claim her, but she's really New Zealander, but we'll claim her also as Australian. I know she's over in the US, so maybe this might be up her alley. Yeah. um Cool. So, yeah, let's move on to the results for the week. um So we didn't have anything internationally, but domestically we had the Q90 Trail Series.

Speaker: um So that one was The Ridgey Ditch. So um for the long trail, ah in the men, we had Titch Hagger in first place in a time of 55.36.

Speaker: five thirty six um And then in the women, we had Sarah Duncan in first place in one hour 11. And then we also had the Lamington Classic in Queensland.

Speaker: um So that one this event had a half marathon um and a marathon course. um So in the half marathon, oh, sorry, there was also Saturday and Sunday. So they had they had a half marathon on both the Saturday and the Sunday.

Speaker: um so on the Saturday in the women, our first place was Sophie Butler in 2007 Vanessa Sakhalidis was second in 2015. And then in the men, we had Lee Bauer um in first place in 1 hour 46 and David May Bush in second in 1 hour 49. And then in the marathon on the Saturday in the women, we had Persia Bowerwater in first place in 5 hours 25. then Amy Turner was second in hours

Speaker: 25.11, so just five seconds behind. And then in the men, we had Jared Killick in first place in 4 hours 03 and Alan Garner in second in 4 hours 11.

Speaker: And then, yeah just quickly, the half marathon on the Sunday, we had Taylor Bland in first place in 2 hours 28, taking out the win ladies. And then for the men, we had...

Speaker: Lee Bauer, again, so backed up the next day to take first in one hour 53 for the men. So well done to those runners. I can do Lonely Mountain Ultra if you want. yep so Lonely Mountain Ultra has a lot of different distances. They have 100 mile all the way through. Sorry, 2K kids race all the way through to 100 mile, but a lot of differences. So I will maybe read out a bunch of the winners. So in the 100 mile The men's winner was Jacob Garlick in 19 hours and 40 minutes. And in the women, it was Jodie Bailey 23-18. In the 100K, Thomas Allen took out the win in 11-49-35. And Catherine Johnson won the women's in 16-14.

Speaker: and catherine johnson won the women's in sixteen fourteen They had a 50 mile, the winner there, so 80 Ks roughly. Dane Briggs was the winner in the men in 10 as 23, 32. And it looks like it was a sprint finish. So I'll give a shout out to Andrew Christenthal, who was second, one second behind.

Speaker: That's tough after 50 miles. It's very close. And in the women, six overall was Ashley Hoofel in 12 hours and 30 seconds. To the 50K, the winner was Alex Bate in four hours, 28, 21.

Speaker: Decent time for 50K. Very good. Jill Fowler in five hours, 18, 41, won the women's. And I'll do the 32K. Leo Pedersen was out there at Lonely Mountain Ultra. He ran first in 2 hours 28.09 for the men.

Speaker: And in the women, Katie Ahern was first in 3 hours 56. I'm going to do the 22K and finish there because, sorry, there's been a lot. Gerald McPherson won.

Speaker: Geez, that they're all spread across all the different races. Gerald McPherson won in the 22K in 1 hour 41.19 and and Emma Gray was first and fifth overall in 1 hour 56.46.

Speaker: So that's Lonely Mountain Ultra. Awesome. um And then lastly, we just have the Eurobilla. trail run in South Australia.

Speaker: ah So that was the ultra-marathon, which is 56K. And in the men, we had Sean McWaters take out the win in 4 hours 27, and Nick Muxlow was second in 4 hours 36.

Speaker: And then in the women, we had Sonia Jansen take out the win in 5 hours 36, and Elisa Scary was second in 5 hours 49. yeah they look like pretty quick times i just had a quick look to see what the course records were they're a little bit off it must be a pretty fast course still because they're still not the fastest times which given that's though it's still very quick yeah yeah awesome um cool coming up this week we've got a few domestic trial runs on in Victoria, New South Wales and Tasmania. over in Victoria, we've got the Bark and Mad Ultra, which one like the more epic events where you can bring your dog along the run and they can do as many, it's sort of like a loop course. So like the dogs can do as many loops as they want, which is really fun.

Speaker: and then we have Beachworth Beer Run. and Macedon Trail Run. So those are in Victoria. And then in New South Wales, we have Reboot in Bermagui Fun Run, Saints and Sinners Lap Race, and Sydney Trail Marathon. And then in Tasmania, we have the Coastal Pathway Ultra. Nice one.

Speaker: and I think that Beachworth, maybe Kelly's headed, she said she was going to Beachworth. She might be headed up to the Beer Run. Oh, yeah. Awesome. I have feeling it might be the last running of it. I'm not sure. But um yeah, that one's that one's I don't know exactly how it works, but beer is involved somehow.

Speaker: Sounds pretty nice.

Speaker: um Cool. So that brings us to the end of the show. What have you got on this week, Brady? Not too much. Yeah, I'm pretty busy with work. I've been busy for the last few weeks and then, yeah, in a couple of weeks I'm going to dial it back a little bit when the weather gets better and ah spend a bit more time with the family and whatnot. So that's going to be good. Got my family coming over to visit. So, yeah, I've got to grind through a couple more weeks of work Yeah, busy work, busy life at home, um and then, yeah, enjoy the sun in October, hopefully.

Speaker: Yeah, awesome. It's very, yeah, it sounds like busy but fulfilling, which is good. Yes, definitely, definitely. What have you got on? You um in Perth for a little bit longer?

Speaker: yeah I'm in Perth for the next couple of weeks. um And, yeah, just a lot of time spent with friends and family at the moment. Yeah. Which is nice. I feel like, yeah, my training is like kind of an escape and like I've just been running on my own because i just need a bit of like oh my own time outside of like just the busy catch-ups, which is nice. Yes, yeah. um But, yeah, yeah, it's um it's so nice to be back here. It's a beautiful beautiful time of year to be in Perth.

Speaker: Yeah, and then you get away before it gets too hot. Yeah. yeah Yeah, back to Canberra for summer, which is, yeah, be nice. um Fantastic. Yeah, thanks to everyone for listening. I hope you enjoyed our little interview with Kelly. and Lots of insights from the one of the OG trail runners in Australia.

Speaker: So thanks for joining and we'll see you next week. Thanks, everyone. Catch you later.