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Listen to This Before 'Celtic Films' (Ironically) Censors Us! – Muppet of the Month: Oct 2021
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Welcome to Watching Brief. As the name implies, each week Marc (Mr Soup) & Andy Brockman of the Pipeline (Where history is tomorrow's news) cast an eye over news stories, topical media and entertainment and discuss and debate what they find.
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0:00 Introduction
2:33 Who is Celtic Films?
5:36 Beneath the Surface
14:13 Quality & Motive
20:58 Compared to Game of Thrones?
26:20 Celticism & Final Thoughts
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Link of the Week:
'Reaction to Celtic Films Folder’:
Links:
‘Reaction to Celtic Films Folder’:
Celtics Kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaelkingsbury/celtics
US Plan for ‘Celtics’ TV show knocked back by disbelieving Scots:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19606416.us-plan-celtics-tv-show-knocked-back-disbelieving-scots/
Archaeosoup - Mr Soup Comment:
https://www.facebook.com/Archaeosoup/posts/4374916712587942
‘Celtics’ TV Series - IMDb:
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B01M98XYN5/ref=atv_dp_cr_1_star
‘Game of Thrones’: By the Numbers:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafeldman/2019/04/11/game-of-thrones-by-the-numbers/
Fascist Fantasies and the Celts:
https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2021/09/28/the-celtics/
Gulag Vorkuta: Amazon Reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B01M98XYN5/ref=atv_dp_cr_1_star
Weird ‘Belenus’ Video:
https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1442762865644027904
The Celts! Did they Even EXIST? - Archaeosoup Video:
The Celts! Revisited… - Archaeo-Chat:
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Format
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Sheep Humor with Mark and Andy
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I never asked for this burden. Hello, and welcome back to Watching Beef for the 25th of October 2021. I am joined by my fellow sheep person, Mr. Andy Brockman. Good afternoon, Andy. Good afternoon, sheep person, Mark. Good afternoon, sheep viewer. Good afternoon, indeed. And we'll become clear in this instance. Well, I hope so.
00:01:16
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the strangest openings we've ever done and it is it is um but regardless of our sheep sheepy status um where there's a wall there's a way you will have to ill you ill will have to um
00:01:31
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have to hold on just for a little longer to find out the point of this, but then again it will be in the title of this video.
Social Media Buzz on Celtic Films
00:01:38
Speaker
This week's watching brief is our Muppet of the Month. This is a Muppet that we hinted at a couple of shows ago, but we wanted to see how it how it evolved, how it matured, how the mushroom cloud expanded on the horizon of Twitter in particular,
00:01:54
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because it was around about a month ago, almost to the day, in fact, the day before the day of filming, that Twitter was exploding with the question, who on earth are Celtic films? Why haven't I been blocked by Celtic films? Yay, I have finally been blocked by Celtic films. People were tweeting all sorts. And in fact, it's continued right up until a couple of days ago. Misery Vulture on Twitter said, it's the day that every young Irish child dreams of.
00:02:23
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I've finally been blocked by Celtic films.
00:02:27
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And I have to say, my chance, my Celtic stamp was finally stamped for me. In fact, on the 27th of September, when I was bought by Celtic Films, I did, in fact, asked if I got a badge or not. I think it's in the post, quite possibly. But we had a whole range of people. We've captured various tweets below in a folder. We'll put the link for you guys to take a look at, with people pondering whether or not they're truly Irish until they've actually been blocked by Celtic Films.
00:02:56
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And finally, we have Stephen Elliott here saying, better late than never, hashtag Celtic Films, and highlighting that he had been blocked. But the question is, Andy, who on earth are Celtic Films and why, I suppose, will come on to? Why on earth were people excited to be blocked by them?
Celtic Druid Series Crowdfunding
00:03:15
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This has to be one of the most bizarre social media stories I've looked at in all the time we've been doing this.
00:03:26
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Celtic films is effectively one person because when people started to look behind and when we started to look behind what was going on and where this had sprung from, we were led to a gentleman called Michael Kingsbury and a Kickstarter campaign
00:03:47
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where Mr Kingsbury was trying to raise, in pound sterling, just shy of £73,000 to create something called druids in quotation marks, episode one. And
00:04:10
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And this was to be a 20 year TV project, I believe. I'll come to that in a minute.
00:04:18
Speaker
What basically the Kickstarter says, this is an independent series on Celtic Druids as they resisted the Roman Empire invasion with its censorship, slavery and traitor, Romano, Britain collaborators. We have a brilliant cast of actors bringing it to life. We have filmed a few short scenes in the studio. These are only the beginning and beginning to bring the characters to
Kingsbury's Eccentric Vision
00:04:40
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life. We need to film the meeting and dialogue between the gods in a natural quotes, iron age forest with a real set
00:04:48
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to really bring it to reality to really bring it to reality yeah um and uh as you say he goes on to say that this is this is mr king street is not without ambition um he says in the in the again in the kickstarter um we aim to expand the series and film nine episodes per season with a total of 20 seasons planned
00:05:17
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and um i'm sorry it's barking you know it is it is barking but the thing is the thing is it could be eccentric that that's the point it could just be eccentric and and for example on twitter initially when i first saw him i saw tweets like this um and people counter pointing his tweets so for example celtic films is the first film production company to make a tv series in which celtic brehan law uh the oldest law in europe
00:05:47
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and the one that gave women equal rights is prominently featured. Oh, in which it is prominently featured. Women's rights is the basis of Celtic films. And what was interesting there was on the one hand I was thinking, oh, I mean, it's an assertion, but it's an eccentric assertion. It could be worse. There were academics, for example, from Ireland who were pointing out
00:06:10
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That's not necessarily the case. This legal provision didn't create a feminist idyll. But it very quickly turned on its head when it became clear the sheer scale of his blocking endeavors.
Social Media Controversy
00:06:30
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On Twitter, he said that he's blocked over 250,000 English speakers who are far-left extremist globalists. We're starting to hear some high-pitched whistling, I think, there. There's a little bit. Blocking over 1,000 neo-Marxists, Gaelic speakers who are pro-destruction of Scotland and Ireland, and globalist types is nothing.
00:06:57
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So he's more than just eccentric, he's actually, well how would you describe it? I would say that we've had some fun with this but this is the serious point.
00:07:14
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Now, I could have gone on to look at, for example, Mr. Kingsby's record on the Internet Movie Database, where he has a record as a writer, a director, a cinematographer, a producer, an editor. He's part of the visual effects department. He's been an art director. He's been a set director. He's also done sound. He's been a casting director and he's done camera.
00:07:44
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He's an absolute auteur, because basically his previous work on the IMDB, he's done everything. Now, that is either because he can't get anybody to work with him, or he can't afford to have anybody else work with him.
00:08:03
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Now, again, if you look at his record, up until now, he's shown no real interest in the Celtics, as he calls them. We'll come back to that. His previous work, and there are three principal films listed on
00:08:24
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the IMDB. And they're all about the Russian gulags, the Soviet gulags. And they appear to fall into a kind of genre of sort of horror, maltreatment sort of type of videos, the kind of
00:08:47
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like the kind of straight to video really bit nasties that were set in concentration camps and things like that.
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um and there appears to be a strong um slant on uh on
Critique of Historical Portrayal
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some uh you know put it this way women are put into these very stressful situations um well he's claiming that it's anti-leftist propaganda highlighting how how the soviet union treated women and we can't use the word here on on youtube or in this podcast but it includes the most extreme violence that can be
00:09:22
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brought upon a woman, and it seems that he seems to have a bit of a problem in terms of his obsession with women's bodies. For example, here are Celtic films on Twitter. In our Celtic series, the Druid women are dressed very respectfully. They don't need to show
00:09:42
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B or T or cleavage to get attention. We show their brains and courage. In fact, they are fully clothed as druid goddess women are hashtag respect women. Now again, at first glance, that could be seen as a slightly eccentric thing to say, but actually not
00:09:59
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long after or before that on the thread, you come across another tweet from the same account. I watched with the sound off this video and saw a traditionally dressed young woman with bosoms just bursting to break out of her traditional low cut alluring dress. Then I turned on the sound and she sounds
00:10:21
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very different. An irony of irony, this is actually a TikTok video, a TikTok video by Miss Penny Penny, Penny Penny, who is sharing the Scottish word of the day. In this case it was scumfish and she's explaining what scumfish meant and she is a Scottish woman
00:10:39
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And for some reason, this person who was trying to make this Celtic films, Celts TV series occur, didn't like the sound of a Scott talking. It's hypocrisy, it's obsession with women's appearance, it's ironic representation of women's rights, and claiming, for example, that the powerful Celtic druid Queen Maeve, who lived at 3000 BC,
00:11:05
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although apparently fought off the Romans, what, 3,000 years before the Romans appeared? Don't obsess about the timeline, keep it, you know. It's literary license. He highlights how powerful Maeve was but then highlights also as well how she was married off to the King of Ulster and also subject to sexual violence.
00:11:31
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This is a very dark undertone and you know on the one hand we've got the historical inaccuracies things like the dates, we've got linguistic problems where he's invented this terminology. Keltyx I've asked just in case I'm wrong but I'm not wrong. There's no such thing as Keltyx, it's come out of nowhere. He's trying to create this narrative that
00:11:50
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that the Western world, the European Union, leftists, Marxists, all this sort of nonsense has created a... It was founded in this sort of Romanised globalist sort of agenda that he's imagining suppressed and aimed to disappear the Celts of old. And of course, this is also always based on people's appearances.
00:12:19
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There's a there's a I mean again we've collected an awful lot of this stuff into that folder below please do check it out but for example we have here one of the scripts where
00:12:34
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People are told, I see our Celtic people told our skin is too alba, too white, our eyes are too blue, that we must be made to feel ashamed, feel guilty for being who we are. Pause. Our sovereignty and our borders crushed our nation, nation, nation, sorry, our nation crushed our people enslaved.
Links to Harmful Tropes
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It's dog whistle, it's the great replacement, it's everything that that particular part of the political spectrum fantasizes about. And actually there's also a tweet here that we've captured where someone suggests that he's far too excited about this stuff.
00:13:21
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But again, I can't say what they're suggesting he's doing. You're absolutely right. Look, this fits into tropes that have been around for a large part of the 20th century into the 21st century in terms of this.
00:13:39
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sort of perversion of the history of what's now Western Europe with a
00:13:52
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people or peoples that have been called the Celts and other things at various times. There's a very good piece on a website called Bella Caledonia, which we're going to link to as well, which is entitled Fascist Fantasies on the Celts, which actually uses this particular controversy as a springboard. Look, I'm really torn by this in the end, because- Torn? I see what you did there.
00:14:20
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The Taun is a wonderful piece of early medieval Irish literature. Sorry, go ahead. The cattle raid of Cooley is translated into English.
00:14:36
Speaker
This thing is absolutely full, as you say, of far-right dog whistles and indeed of anti-Semitic dog whistles. The idea of it talks a lot about globalists and that is well recognized as an anti-Semitic trope.
00:14:52
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So this is serious stuff. At the same time, if you look at Mr Kingsby's record, on Amazon, he's described as a radical filmmaker in the trail for one of his videos.
00:15:12
Speaker
It is, but if you look at it, it's very interesting because if you look at the ratings, it's 48% five stars and 38% one stars, only a little bit in between. And that suggests a number of, first of all, it can suggest that there's been some kind of orchestrated campaign one way or the other.
00:15:39
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Now, obviously, we can't prove that, but it's not a normal distribution of Amazon ratings. No. Well, might I speculate that this five-star review here from a Celtic-y sounding Mehr,
00:15:56
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M-A-E-R-C-H. I love it when people put A-E in the middle of words for no reason, so they look more Celtic-y. Heavy subject that most people do not know nothing about. This movie is about so many genocidal crimes against Europeans.
00:16:11
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It's a heavy topic and because of the eerie silence on this topic in the media it falls on the shoulders of this filmmaker to provide the viewer with many of the statistics that through education should have provided. Okay, that a thorough education should have provided. This is an educational film wrapped in a romantic drama to bring humanity into the cold figures
00:16:31
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of 65 million Soviet-murdered Europeans. What better way to underscore this than placing a love story at Vokuta, the coldest city in Europe. The filmmakers made of the film set in the Soviet Gulag system. I look forward to seeing them. 65 million murdered. That means there are at least 65 million stories that must be told. I hope other filmmakers are brave enough to do so. So that, I would suggest, has been written by the director himself.
00:17:00
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Although I suggest this one wasn't. This is a verified purchase. It's one star from somebody called Crusader, so equally strange handle there, but anyway.
Film Quality and Educational Value
00:17:12
Speaker
The nine people on the cover of this so-called movie are the entire cast. This was made in someone's backyard. Don't waste an hour or something of your life on watching this crap. Horrible for exclamation marks.
00:17:27
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and perhaps Elena, another verified purchase, one star, fascinatingly bad movie. Watch this movie if you want to see what an obvious lack of talent and resources looks like in the world of movie making.
00:17:47
Speaker
Now, at this point, what I'll do is I'll show you guys, and also, obviously, if you're listening on audio only, a little clip from the Facebook page. Just for context, here's a clip of apparently a Celtic, Pictish woman in front of some Neolithic monuments, I believe, exclaiming just how the struggle against the Romans in 3000 BC is something that she didn't want to, she didn't ask for this.
00:18:17
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I never asked for this. I never asked for this burden. I never wanted to be the one who decided the most. The best.
00:18:30
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Now, to be fair, we shouldn't be too harsh on the actors in these clips. They've been cast in a role by the same person who's written the script, by the same person who's selected that clip, by the same person who's put that green screen background behind them, by the same person who's using that clip in a particular context to promote what they see as being a high-quality production.
00:18:55
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but clearly hasn't been selected very well. So we shouldn't blame the actors involved, regardless of what they've been told, and hopefully they've been paid for their work. I truly hope so. But it is in the context of really, whatever they've been paid is not nearly enough. No it's not, it's not. But it is in the context of really poor quality writing, and there's nothing else. Historical research, after all this is an archaeology channel,
00:19:17
Speaker
This notion, for example, there's a still here from the website which has Ogham all over it, by the way. Ogham wasn't a writing that was used until after the Romans, more or less, or coinciding with the very end of the Roman presence in Britain, but apparently here it's being used in 3000 BC, 3040 odd years before the Romans arrived.
00:19:39
Speaker
there's still here that has Maeve, incredible story told by the Druids, censorship by the Roman Empire, her true story finally told here. It's fantasy, it's fantastical, it's ridiculous and the thing is it's not fantasy in a positive way or in a genre way, it's fantasy which is fueling a very particular man's ego, this man who apparently has his fingerprints all over this.
00:20:05
Speaker
And actually he tweeted this, more or less, as a statement. Unbridled man, he tweeted. Man as ram. The powerful male is back on this 20-year TV series, Get Used To It, he says, with this picture of him sort of ready to be fair. He's quite a good-looking guy. He's got a nice chiseled jaw and he's got muscles, you know, but he doesn't make him a great fan. He's straight out of Matt Gio Central casting presenter.
00:20:33
Speaker
He is. He is. But I'm not, in that sense. In that sense, you know, maybe he should just be front of camera. Maybe he shouldn't be doing everything on these productions. In response to those sorts of sentiments, for example, another tweet on Celtic films, a tough land makes for tough people. The director of Celtic's, the series, is very tough. Kenny Burns on Twitter, who I do believe is a Scottish citizen, said, what the actual F,
00:21:01
Speaker
The director of the Celtic series is very tough. I peed myself laughing more than Angus McLeod of the Clan McLeod. Pease is kelt, and as any good Highlander fan knows, I Angus Pease is kelt all the time. It's...
00:21:22
Speaker
It is rightly ridiculed this, but should it be commended in that sense for having a dream? Is this even a remotely realistic prospect? Never mind the unreal aspect of the history and the politics that's on the show.
00:21:40
Speaker
There's the famous song about the famous part of my childhood about a ram who bashed his head against a dam and eventually broke it. It's called High Hopes.
00:22:01
Speaker
He did describe himself as man as ram. That's what maybe brought it to mind for my deep Celtic subconscious, my deep non-Celtic subconscious.
00:22:19
Speaker
I'm not going to knock anybody who tries to create art and for every piece of great art there are many more pieces of art that fail or aren't nearly so great or whatever but I think this is
00:22:33
Speaker
just so out of left field and so unrealistic that it sits in a very, very old place. Look, I think it's worth looking at, for example, the Kickstarter. Mr Kingsbury was looking for, as we said earlier, in pound sterling, nearly £73,000.
00:23:02
Speaker
Now, if I tell you that a very basic documentary
00:23:12
Speaker
these days cost about 80,000 pounds minimum. And that's really, really basic with very little location sheets. And using sort of open source footage, you know, absolutely public domain photographs, all that kind of thing. Every corner cut. So something going out on Nat Geo or history or one of the terrestrial channels, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a very basic setup.
00:23:41
Speaker
You compare that then to a drama series, which is really what he's talking about. He's pitching a drama here.
Budget Ambitions vs Reality
00:23:50
Speaker
He's pitching something that is at least a third again as long as, no, twice as long in terms of seasons as Game of Thrones. And if I tell you that Series 8 of Game of Thrones, the
00:24:12
Speaker
The budget would have been around, well, $90 million for the whole season, which is around $50 million per episode. You can see the gulf here between ambition and reality. Yeah. $15 million per episode. Per episode. Yeah. Yeah. A big chunk of that is going into fees for the
00:24:35
Speaker
the principal cost. There were salaries in the region of half a million dollars per episode being talked about. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, you just look at the scale of a major and he's talking about he talks about visual effects and things like that. Game of Thrones, which is probably again, it's the nearest analogy we've got to the ambition here. 40 visual effects houses in 13 countries worked on Game of Thrones. Yeah.
00:25:01
Speaker
You know, well, yeah, over 13,000 separate visual effects shots in the first seven seasons. Yeah, no, exactly. And especially if he's talking about representing goddesses and these sort of surreal moments, which in the footage that we've lifted from the Facebook page and that we're using under fair use, I should underscore that.
00:25:29
Speaker
in terms of criticism and comment, he's attempted to represent a surreal moment in that sort of flashing of colours, but it's just not quite up to that standard. Look, I'm sure that the Irish film industry, Northern Ireland was the base for much of the shooting of Game of Thrones, Titanic Studios in Belfast,
00:25:56
Speaker
in use for Game of Thrones. I'm pulling these figures from an article in Forbes magazine where, for example, in terms of the Northern Ireland economy, over the eight seasons that they shot, they employed something like almost 13,000 extras across the series and 2,000 crew.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the thing is, I know from personal experience just how much Game of Thrones has benefited the Northern Irish economy. You know, we have obviously family over there, Mrs. Soup's parents, Mrs. Soup grew up there, and seeing nothing else, some of the novelty that's been brought into local shops, the footfall of some parts of the country now which are regularly visited because they featured on that TV series. We're talking about
00:26:44
Speaker
a scope here that has the potential to fundamentally change the economics of a country. And that's not something that can be supported with £76,000 on Kickstarter. The thing is that to one side, the scope and the ambition to one side, I don't want to necessarily big this guy up too much because
00:27:11
Speaker
Frankly, the fundamental quality of what he's doing is not only rife with hypocrisy as we've touched on when it comes to women, for example. Allegedly. Allegedly. But what we've seen, what we've actually seen on Twitter, he puts out these things which are utterly hypocritical, by the very least very difficult to reconcile. But also as well,
00:27:34
Speaker
It's the appropriation, I hate to use that word, but with this, the appropriation of Celtic culture, it's misplacing it in time, it's misplacing it in terms of its archaeological setting, it's misplacing it in terms of the artifacts
Mishandling of Celtic Culture
00:27:51
Speaker
and the linguistic capabilities in terms of written language that we're aware about, and it's also a pastiche, it's a fetishization of war, of primitivism,
00:28:04
Speaker
this idea of struggling, this idea of, you know, the plucky underdog. I understand why all of these things are compelling but a whole culture or a whole series of Iron Age cultures it does not make and it does not accurately represent. This isn't taking pride in an idea of Celtic ancestry or even, frankly, something a bit more generic and
00:28:34
Speaker
You know, race-based, this isn't taking pride in anything along those lines. This is a representation that's fundamentally actually about victimization, the idea that the Roman world was done to the Celts, that the modern world is somehow being done to people to this day.
00:28:51
Speaker
It's misplaced, misguided, misinformed, mis-pitched, and frankly it is ridiculous. But in that sense, I suppose on the final note, Andy, do you think
00:29:07
Speaker
Do you think therefore, actually, archaeology, Twitter, Celtic Twitter, languages, Twitter, history, Twitter, or Twitter itself, seemingly, that we overreacted to this particular muppet in so much as, is he just ridiculous? Is it simply a muppet of the month? Ha, ha, ha. Or were we right actually to actually point this out as being as in some places dangerous as it actually is?
00:29:37
Speaker
That's a really important question and I think it's actually the most important question in all this. Particularly people in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, people with those cultures as a heritage.
00:29:54
Speaker
have had a lot of fun and also been quite angry at this, you know, we talk a lot these days about cultural appropriation and how inappropriate it is and this is certainly cultural appropriation but it's also and I think this is the real point and the reason why it's worth actually discussing at length and we've had a laugh and we pointed out how absurd it is and how you know the
00:30:20
Speaker
how the vision can never match the reality when you're trying to run fun Game of Thrones on Kickstarter. But in the end, we have to go back.
Dangers of Unchecked Narratives
00:30:35
Speaker
for those far-right tropes, the ground replacement theory, the idea of cultural genocide, the idea above all that the Roman Empire was this globalist conspiracy against free peoples.
00:30:55
Speaker
knowing that globalist is a far-right trope, as we said earlier, which is used by people who are anti-Semitic.
00:31:08
Speaker
So in the end, although we can have a lot of fun with it, although we can hold this whole enterprise up to ridicule, I don't think we can afford to just let it pass because when these far-right anti-Semitic tropes are allowed to go unacknowledged,
00:31:27
Speaker
they can be a gateway to much more sinister things than just throwing away a few dollars on a kickstarter on a kickstarter that's never going to happen. In the worst case, this kind of cultural appropriation is kind of misuse of history, as we've seen sadly in the in the all too recent past can end up in things like somebody walking into a mosque with an assault rifle.
00:31:50
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And I suppose I would just finally say that it also as well is something that is not just done by that extreme either. This sort of fundamental misunderstanding of, for example, the course of European history is something that we've seen in this country being misunderstood, shall we say. I won't go so far as to say misused, but
00:32:20
Speaker
misunderstood for very particular purposes, very particular political reasons. You know, this idea of, I do believe our glorious prime minister, when he was foreign secretary at some point, made a comparison between the Roman Empire and the European Union. The idea that, you know, well, the Romans tried to rule us and they couldn't and Europe's tried to, you know, whatever people try to. There's a reason, folks, there's a reason guys at home, girls at home, everyone at home,
00:32:48
Speaker
There's a reason that historians are required.
Role of Historians and Archaeologists
00:32:53
Speaker
There's a reason that archaeologists are required. There's a reason that we do this stuff. And that is in order to present to you good ideas that you can play with, that you can have fun with, that you can connect together and come up with new exciting questions and answers, but also as well in order to actively
00:33:16
Speaker
actively explain why this sort of reconfiguration of history is incorrect and at times dangerous. I think as much as we've started in a place of Muppertree, this comes really to the heart of why archaeologists and historians
00:33:34
Speaker
is that it stops people from creating this weird pastiche and then presenting it for whatever agenda, whether it's relatively benign political persuasion or whether it's damn right sinister narratives about all manner of different conspiracies and identities.
Conclusion and Historical Responsibility
00:33:57
Speaker
This is the stuff of history.
00:33:59
Speaker
It is the stuff, there's one point I would make just on what you've just been saying though and that is that archaeologists aren't somehow immune from all this. I just have to say one word which is the Ann and Eber. Yeah.
00:34:12
Speaker
the Nazi cultural organization where archaeologists were employed in pursuit of the kind of far-right ideology that is now seeping into this kind of cultural appropriation. Yeah, and hence ideas plural, which doesn't mean ideas plural. If anyone's feeding you one
00:34:34
Speaker
you know, then often it leads to dangerous places. Or at the very least wrong places, inaccurate places, ill-informed places. Thank you guys for watching. This has been an interesting one for us to construct this week in so much as we wanted to highlight
00:34:54
Speaker
the seriousness of it in terms of different aspects, but also as well the ridiculousness of it. Hopefully we've managed to walk a line there. Thank you for Andy for your time this week, Andy. You've had particular gremlins and technical issues in the background there, so thank you for bearing through that this week. Any final words?
00:35:19
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Just that, going back to the basic mapetry, anybody who thinks by blocking somebody, you're going to stop them looking at what you're actually doing when you've got a publicly accessible website, a publicly accessible Facebook group. And has he ever heard of alternate Twitter accounts so that people who've been blocked can actually look at things? You know, I mean, I'm sorry. The whole point, it's just the whole thing is just absurd. It is ridiculous counting thumbs.
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