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Extended Clip - Should Juventus Sack Max Allegri & Appoint Thomas Tuchel?
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Carlo Garganese details why Juventus must sack Max Allegri and replace him with Thomas Tuchel, whilst Nima Tavallaey argues Bianconeri should keep Allegri but time is running out.
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Transcript
Introduction & Juventus Under Allegri
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast. Okay, enough of refereeing VAR discussion. Time to talk about Allegri Carlo, so go ahead.
00:00:13
Speaker
Did anyone see Paredes last night? Did you see him? It doesn't matter who Allegri has in his team now. Whether it's Paredes coming in, whether it's Pogba de Maria Keyes... That's me taking a sip from IT by the way. That song you heard. Juventus, they still have and they will never have any style of play and they will continue to be unwatchable.
00:00:32
Speaker
And as I tweeted out last night, the stats say it all about Allegri. Juventus have won one win in six games. They have two wins in their last 11 games under Allegri, including the end of last season. That would get a coach who is fighting against relegation sacked.
00:00:50
Speaker
That's fact. Let alone a coach who is coaching the biggest and most powerful team in Italy and being paid nine million euros a year while they're doing it. So for me, there's no doubt about it. I've said it.
00:01:04
Speaker
implicitly, Allegra needs to be sacked now. Now, enough is enough. Sacking before the game against Benfica, because he's turned the Juventus into a complete joke. They're a banter club now.
Mainstream Criticism of Allegri
00:01:16
Speaker
I mean, even BT Sport, who are the mainstream media, that the official broadcasters of Serie A in England, right, this is the mainstream. Now, mainstream media, and this is a reason why people love to listen to our pot, is because we can say what we want on this pot.
00:01:31
Speaker
we can we can be and we do and we do just listen to the effing and blinds in of me and nimmer just five minutes ago we can you know that this is the kind of stuff we can say we can slag off the league for corruption we can slag off managers we you know we don't have to worry about not getting interviews and being blackballed by clubs we can say what we want now even now i've been recording
00:01:51
Speaker
Alegria Dinosaur for over a year now. Even BT Sport, a mainstream media, broadcasted the match last night. They called Alegria Dinosaur. It's even gone mainstream now. This is how much of a laughing stock that Alegria has turned Juventus into. So, yeah, I'll take a breather now, but that's my first bit that he has to be sacked now.
00:02:11
Speaker
No, I don't think he should be sacked. But I do think that there was a dreadful game. It was an unforgivably poor performance by Juventus and Allegri. And I think he should be he should he really needs to be ashamed of himself. And he this is not this is simply not good enough. I don't want to take anything away from Salering Tana. I thought they were good. But Juventus and Allegri has has failed this so far this season. It's as simple as that.
00:02:39
Speaker
I mean, the other games, I still think that, I think it matters because if you will win that the same way that Inter beat, you know, Brozovic scores the late winner for Inter against Torino, that late winner could have changed the course of the season. That could have given them the energy and boost and belief they wanted and instead,
00:02:59
Speaker
they did, they weren't. So I actually think it does matter. I think these things, I've always said that, that
Financial Implications of Sacking Allegri
00:03:05
Speaker
these things matter. These kinds of errors can ruin and derail the season because Juventus would have had momentum, they wouldn't have been proud, they wouldn't have been happy, but they would have had, you know, that last, you know, everybody knows the kind of positive energy that a last gasp winner creates in a team that is struggling, in the squad, the belief, the self-confidence for the manager, for the coach, as well as the players.
00:03:26
Speaker
And that's why I say this should be an opening, that when you make these kinds of errors, you should be able to adjust the result afterwards. Because this is absolutely unforgivable. But it doesn't take away from Allegri's incredible... I mean, they were so poor. In my opinion, that was Juva's worst performance this season.
00:03:50
Speaker
Yeah. For large parts of it it was. It was up there. No, this season, yeah. For me, for me. For this season. Given the opposition, given the opposition as well. No, given everything, given everything. I think it was a horrible performance from start to finish. I liked the, okay, they started showing a bit of energy and anger after going to no doubt.
00:04:07
Speaker
But they had a good start the second half and then it just went flat again and then they had that rally in the last in injury. Yeah. But I mean, but that to me, it's unacceptable. This is not good enough. I mean, I've always consistently said last season is year zero. This is year one. Well, he's playing year. This is minus one. He's regressing. This is this is regression. Perfectly aligned with his dinosaur. No, this is regression. And when you have when you have regressions,
00:04:39
Speaker
you then then you have to ask serious questions. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, you have to. I mean, the thing is, I don't see why they don't shouldn't sack him. Because I mean, some people will say that it's going to be costly to sack allegory. And it's true in replacing with who he has two and a half. Well, I'll get to that. He has two and a half years of his 36 million pound euros contract left. So it will cost you over 20 million to sack him plus taxes. So work out. John is the John is the bank man here. So
00:04:59
Speaker
when you have a regression like this.
00:05:09
Speaker
Yeah, he's the banker here. So, I mean, it's going to cost you a hell of a lot of money to sack him. I would like to think that, you know, there would be a clause in the contract that Allegri doesn't get his full pay off if they decide to sack him. He's clearly failing. He's what, you know, he's not fulfilling the requirement. But wouldn't that be tied to Champions League football then, like
Aniele's Decision and Leadership
00:05:28
Speaker
failing? Well, yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I mean, the thing is that when Jose Mourinho was sacked by Spurs last year,
00:05:35
Speaker
he had a clause in his contract that he would only get a certain payoff depending on what position he was. And the reason why he was, remember he was sacked before there was a Cup Final at the end of the week and he was sacked at the beginning of that week on like the Monday or the Tuesday. They had a Cup Final at the end of the week but they also had a league game on the Wednesday. Oh yeah, you're right.
00:05:58
Speaker
which was quite an easy game, if I remember rightly. Now, the reason why Mourinho was sacked was because it would have cost Spurs a lot more money if they were over a certain position. I think if they were like fifth or sixth or something, it would have cost them certain money. And if they won the cup as well, it would have been in Europe, he would have got... So they basically said, I would like to think that any properly run club would have had a clause in the contract that you're paying someone 36 million over four years.
00:06:23
Speaker
that you're going to basically you know you don't have to pay them half of it unless they're in a certain position or or you know i would like to think there's that no italian club has that even umentis who are the best well like in terms of organization and well and all that no but i mean structurally even though they've got their ducks in order there's no italian club that has that club i can't imagine well
00:06:44
Speaker
Oh no, that's what I'm saying. I would like to think there would be one, like there was one at Spurs with Marillio. I'd like to think there was, because then there would be no reason not to sack him. So I'm thinking, yeah, okay, maybe there is an economic reason, but I think it's got to the point now where it will be even more costly to keep him, because for me, and I've said this since the Champions League group draw was made, State draw was made,
00:07:04
Speaker
You know, Juventus don't look like they're even going to get out of the Champions League group. And they're playing Benfica, who have won all 11, played 1-11, 1-11, conceded two goals so far this season. And if the performances continue in Serie A, as they are, they're not even going to make the Champions League next year. It's going to be very competitive again.
00:07:20
Speaker
this year, as it has been for the last two seasons when they've struggled. So, you know, I just don't see why you would keep him. I think that one of the reasons why he will stay is also because if Aniele sacks him, then that is a damning indictment on Aniele. He has to go.
00:07:39
Speaker
Aniele, this was Aniele's choice to bring him back. We know that the Nedved didn't want him back. We know that some of the other people high up didn't want him. This was Aniele. Aniele put in all his eggs in Allegory's basket.
00:07:53
Speaker
If he sacks a legary after not even a year and a half, that's basically admitting that you've made a huge fuck up and he's made a huge fuck up. So what does he do? Does he just keep, does he just carry on? You know, I mean, they've just announced losses of over 240 million for 2022.
00:08:09
Speaker
You know, it's a complete disaster everywhere. I think it's time for, I mean, I think Andrea Nieli, I've said this before when we've spoken about it on Juventus many times in last season and even before that, but maybe the cycle coming to an end should also be Andrea Nieli's cycle as Juventus president, because it's not working with some of the decisions he has made consistently since Marota left, which led to Marota leaving, have been disastrous.
Potential Replacement: Thomas Tuchel
00:08:39
Speaker
Okay, so Carlo, who should they appoint? Thomas Tukul. In fact, the players that Juventus have available, although he probably does need to get some depth, definitely needs to get some depth. So you're saying go for Tukul. He plays a back three, which you know, which you nimmer. Three, five, two, three, five, two, or three, four, two, one, you know, whoever, you know, we've one man up front. I agree.
00:09:02
Speaker
I think he's got the wing backs for the system anyway, that way. Absolutely. And yes, OK, they lack depth in the attacking midfield position. They probably need to sign some players there in January. But, you know, I think Thomas Tuchel, you know, he's he's pragmatic enough for Juventus' traditional identity. And he's also cranky. He's also cranky. Like he's not he's you know, he's he's to me, he's he's classic Juba Tuchel. Like to me, he would fit in like a
00:09:31
Speaker
Like he would fit in perfectly. And we've seen what an impact he had with Chelsea. People forget when he took over with Chelsea, they were they were the same laugh in Stockham banter club that Juventus are right now as we speak on the Frank Lampard. It was a complete joke. They were near mid table. They were no no. We're way out of the top four. No, he's done it before. He's done it before for sure. You know, so. And I think the three I mean, Juventus will will if Juventus play three five two, I think they will get much better results. And I think he's the right person to as well. He's done this before. He's walked into a big club that's
00:10:01
Speaker
Well, yeah, you can handle the personalities, you can handle the pressure. I mean, if you've been at PSG, I mean, look, if you've coached those clubs, PSG, Chelsea, you can handle Juva. I mean, there's no doubt about that. So no, I think also be expensive. But that's the thing, though, that you can use the growth decree on him. So his wages could end up costing Juva less per year. You can do that with coaches as well. Yeah. Anyone, not just coaches, anyone. Why do you think Lionel Messi's dad moved to Milan with all the money? Yeah.
00:10:31
Speaker
And that's when all the rumors about England join in. Absolutely. It's just too. You've got to go straight after me. It's too much of a leg right now. I mean, again, did you see his post-match comments? I love it. I laughed so much. Of course you were. He was mocking journalists. He was mocking the journalists who questioned him about Juventus playing poorly. And he says, well, you say they play poorly. You don't want you.
00:10:55
Speaker
you see the games but you don't and they didn't want to talk about the referees either you didn't say a word about the referees which i think i want to give him credit for for at least that makes him a little bit coherent he said he said Moysekin played a good game i mean i mean did you see Moysekin i mean yeah but yeah he was dreadful but he should never have signed him in the first place but um no look it's uh i i think it's um
00:11:17
Speaker
I think it could happen. I think it's not like you were to do that. But I think I think a bad result against Benfica and that could really begin to happen. I really think if they lose to Benfica, you would think surely I think it's untenable because they're like he would resign as well. I think he I don't think he would be sacked. I think they would have. Yeah, I think he would given the relationship he has with you and
00:11:41
Speaker
and Aniele, they're very good friends. I think every morning they go jogging together and have breakfast together. I mean, they're really good friends. I think at some point... Well, maybe Aniele can use his power and force him to resign. I think they'll agree to a mutual termination if it happens. I don't think they'll sack him outright. I think he'll basically say, I want the best for Juve and I've spoken and it doesn't seem like it's possible.
Engagement and Patreon Promotion
00:12:05
Speaker
And then they'll agree on a payout and then he'll eat.
00:12:09
Speaker
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