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Speaker: Hey, Tommy from the Run Testers and welcome back to the Run Testers podcast. In this episode, we are going to be talking about marathon kits. So we are all going to be picking our individual favourite items that we choose when we run marathons.
Speaker: Let's dive in and see what we all chose.
Speaker: Evening gentlemen, how you doing? Hello. Evening, and evening. Yeah, good. What's going down? good i'm Not a lot, Tom. Well, I assume training volume. Because you're tapering?
Speaker: I thought so. And then I just got my training next week. I'm doubling tomorrow. So, and then... ah just Does Andy know you've got a marathon next week? Well, 10 days out, we do do a last... decent session you can still absorb that before the marathon and then the weekend is like park run and stuff like so it's slightly more fun things that you know, your,
Speaker: going hard, but you're not like too stressed about it. But yeah, hopefully the volume came down a bit. last week and it should come down again this week just about how about you are you tapered now tom It started yesterday. Very nice, very nice. So I've got a session tomorrow, but it's not a track session. It's a... Three. times three kilometers.
Speaker: ah Marathon Pace. Okay, it's not the same. I'm doing... 10 times 1. alternating marathon pace, half pace, and then 2400s in the afternoon, but half of them aren't very fast again. So it's Sort of. Should be alright. I'm sick of the long runs.
Speaker: Well, I haven't got any fast shoes to test. That's my problem. like I'm just using the Rebel over and over again. I might do a long -term review of that because I'm i'm waiting for the runs to fly. AlphaFly obviously just didn't happen. Yeah, of course. um adios profile didn't happen to me so yeah i'm just um The fastest show I have is the Brooks Hyperion Max 4. which is 310 grams. So I did 15 miles of six -minute miling of that at the weekend and the weight did start to to tell a little towards the end. and It doesn't feel like a real super trainer. Kieran, you're reverse tapering, I guess.
Speaker: I don't know where I am now. um Yeah, I was supposed to be doing, although in the last pod I said I wasn't going to find any more races for India, I was supposed to be doing the Maverick Jurassic.
Speaker: Coast 55K Ultra on the weekend. Oh, he did Royal Parks instead. I did Royal Parks for this last weekend and Jurassic's supposed to be next weekend, so oh I did Royal Parks off. Sneaked in at one second. One second PB. which is Was that a PB? so Because you were getting very close to... so Well, what do you call it? What do you call it when you get fast? Sub 80? Yeah, you can go to different numbers, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm 40 seconds off basically So much.
Speaker: Did you film yourself during the run? I did. I filmed myself. About 40 seconds right there. Might be. Might be. I was carrying, yeah. started. Started four watches going across the start line as well, so I don't know about that. But yeah, I don't know. Maybe there was more on the day, but yeah, I'm quite happy. Listen. It's a tricky race to go too fast in.
Speaker: I've PB'd at Royal Parks a couple of times, but it isn't. You think if you get a time there, you can definitely beat it somewhere else because it is quite narrow and windy at paces. Yeah, and I feel like maybe on like fresher legs, that's two weeks after Berlin, so...
Speaker: Maybe on a little fresher legs or something there, but yeah, it was good. It was a good race. And then, I don't know, Jurassic, Jurassic, I want to call it Jurassic Park Ultra. It's not a Jurassic Park Ultra. That's definitely different. It's... Yeah, Jurassic Coast, one of the Mavericks races that I'm signed up for, but... Bye.
Speaker: My accommodation, which was going to be a tent box on a Dacia, has fallen through. so Beautiful, beautiful. I might not do it, but... Hmm. We'll see. Yeah. How are you boys feeling about Frankfurt? Are you gunning for times?
Speaker: Well, Nick's always got it for a time. i'm' I've got so... IPB, what February last year Seville. The two marathons I've done since. I've gone all out. And... um are blown up second half. So this time I'm going to do what I did in Seville, which was to start fairly slowly just to stay with the group. But the the setup of Frankfurt is quite nice, actually. So you do 13k in the centre.
Speaker: Then you cross the river. So that first 13K, I'm going to be behind pace for PB. I'm just going to try and relax into it. Then you've got the other path, there is a big loop from 13K to about 35K. when you get back to the city center. So the aim is to basically gradually get onto pace during that and hopefully have something to go in that last 7k in the city. But yeah, most of us can try and get with a group and not go too fast. I'd rather be slow first half and actually try and feel, I haven't felt good. You know, like I felt good. I've enjoyed the marathons like in London, but I haven't felt like I'm running well.
Speaker: from about 32K in a marathon since. Probably Seville, so... ah Even Loch Ness, where I ran quicker, was... I was really struggling towards the end up the hills. Mmm. Tom, you've got you got PBs in sight. No, not for this. I'm in good shape now, so I'll back down to...
Speaker: Bye. Almost. Peak. speed at the moment so I did a Kingston half last week, 1 -2 -4.
Speaker: so that bodes quite well because when i like pretty much dead on one two four and when we did pleshy which is before chicago which i got two five five i was on one two three thirty i think or something like that so i mean i know you know time of pleshy is the king of races so i guess it it's hard to judge it compared to other races but you're definitely in shape yeah yeah well pleshy you just you're just high on life when you're doing it aren't you so you just run faster pleshy pace your pleshy's worth like 30 to 60 seconds yes nobody knows what we're talking about so ah But I don't think... I don't think I'm as fit. endurance -wise. So I don't think I'm fit at the distance. So I'll be happy around three hours because next year that...
Speaker: been in a good position to start actually taking out some, um, some actual PVs I think next year I'll just carry on getting the carry and getting coached I think from after the marathon sometimes I stop and have a break but I'm not going to do this time and it looks like is everyone so will you be good for age London as well Tom?
Speaker: ah You won't have it in time, will you? No, I don't think I'd get it anyway because I'm... Still 44. Okay. I think I missed the cutoff for the age and I think I'll probably if I get like three hours that's not fast enough Hi. Probably is fast enough in the 44 edge bracket, isn't it? Well, I thought one of the problems with Frankfurt is isn't it beyond the cutoff for when you have to get applications in?
Speaker: Oh, I don't know. But if that's the case, then that's good because I don't want to do it next year anyway. Yeah, I don't think times now count towards, because the application process is open. No, it's done. So that's so what? So when I was talking to a lot of people looking at Frampa, I was saying, oh, you make sure you've already got a time from earlier of the year if you want to do London. So I think for me, it would have been too late if I'd completely blown at London and hadn't got any kind of time. That's a good point, actually. I hadn't even thought about that. If I do get good for age in it, that's perfect because I don't want to do London next year, but I wouldn't mind doing it the year after. Yeah. Well, I'm quite annoyed with London because London next year is... I'm doing Manchester, theoretically. I need to get that confirmed. uh, with England, you know, vets, old people. And, um, but now, but now I was going, Oh, London, I'll cruise around. I'll pace a friend, except all of the, the female friend I was going to pace is on the Sunday. So I can't remember. And also it's one day sooner after Manchester because it's a Saturday race. Um, But yeah, so... Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel. i think
Speaker: i don't I like the idea of two days of London is great, but I wish we didn't split up the championship and good for age runners by gender so much. but Hmm. Yeah, that's cool. I was looking. I had a cheeky little look to see if... um If Hamburg's entries were still open. There was a part of me I was going to do London. On a Saturday. Head from the race. Oh, it's the same weekend. Yeah, yeah. It's the Sunday. so then And then go and do Hamburg on the Sunday. but It's already full up, so... Yeah. I bet you can find some...
Speaker: But yeah, it sounds like a good idea now. It might feel like a worse idea on a Saturday evening, depending on how hard you ran London, but... You arrive and yeah, I don't know. there must have there will be someone will do that I'm sure ah but I mean, someone will bandit London somehow probably in Dubai for them, but... i mean Are they going to leave stuff up overnight? Could I have to short it? It'd cost too much money to move anything. Yeah. We'd have to have security guards up all night probably. People would be running it all night, wouldn't they? It'd be a whole thing.
Speaker: yeah Yeah. They must open the roads again in between. I guess it means when do you do the reverse? You know that reverse thing? Does that happen now happen on the... Saturday night or the Friday night and the Saturday night I'm splitting those up as well yeah but yeah i am pretty excited for frankfurt or just pure on the basis i was looking at yeah the hotel Everything was within 10 minutes, the start, finish, the expo, like everything we'll need in terms of food, drink, post -run celebrations, you know, flying from London City to Frankfurt City. I gave up on City. Yeah, yeah. This couldn't be easier. It's just such a treat. like the whole and it's like It's going to be the most relaxing. Compared to London, which is just you spend a week just getting G'd up, doing too many events, and you're never even quite in shape. It reminds me very much of Seville, where I was there by myself the day before the marathon. I just was in my hotel room reading and watching ah listening to football. And actually, it was that long ago Spurs won the day before. Those days may well return as well, Nick. They may return. Yeah. This time we're playing Chelsea Saturday night before the Marathons. I won't be watching that or paying attention to that. ah um But yeah, no, i'm I'm super excited just for that aspect of it. Very relaxed. um very relaxed fast if anyone is going to flat fast course as well right yeah yeah I think last year it was super windy and people still were running really fast um I think it's a bit The bit in the middle I think is potentially a bit dull. But that's fine. A marathon doesn't need to be exciting. Hmm. Yeah.
Speaker: I like that. Yeah. Well, normally we we have a we'll talk about all the training stuff we're doing but we'rere We're basically going to be talking about marathons in this next bit anyway so um Yeah, we should we start talking about our marathon kit? for this year? Let's, let's. Oh, sorry. just Just before we do, i've got I've got to give one shout out, and I should have said this earlier when we were talking about the Royal Parks, but at the end of the race, I um ah bumped into Joel Ward, Crystal Palace player. Former Crystal Palace player. And... Actually interrupted him. I didn't realize he was on the phone. He was on a FaceTime to his family, done his first half marathon, was having the family call saying, well done. And I busted in and yeah, and interrupted him. and and
Speaker: did it cut a kind of whole footballer big run test as well didn't he and Not anymore. I just wanted to say thanks for being a good thanks for be a good sport and not, you know, he should have bought me off immediately. But um yeah, and he's here for his first half. So he's going to be listening now. He will. but Yeah. okay So big no pick up joe Joel for doing 124 first half to and being and being really kind. The note. Yeah. Joel Ward. Played for three other teams, Kieran.
Speaker: England. No, I don't know. That's how you time. somewhere out it was Derby now he's So he started his career as a youth player on the South Coast. Bournemouth.
Speaker: Bournemouth he went to on loan from his first club. They had glory years, won an FA Cup and then it's all been downhill from there. Don't know. Portsmouth.
Speaker: And then he did a little 15 appearances at Swansea. Swansea City, who, by the way, were fourth in the list of money owed by Man City based on recent things. We did well out of that. Everton and Spurs. Spurs top of that league. It still doesn't count because I maintain to this day if Chelsea and Man City hadn't cheated so much we'd have won one title and Harry Kane would have stayed and been the greatest striker player in Premier League history. But never mind.
Speaker: Play football. Football. Yeah. Cool, well that's enough of that. That's, uh... Talk marathon kit. Let's do it.
Speaker: Right there then, guys. In this video and podcast, we are talking about Marathon Kit. So, Kira, you've just finished doing Berlin Marathon, so you're going to be talking a bit more about your sort of... ideal kit based on that and then me and nick are about to head out next week to frankfurt where we we well i'm still choosing a bit of my kit but um the idea is that we're going to basically give our top top tips and picks on um our marathon kit that we're choosing this year um Did that sound about right? Perfect. Excellent. So what I was thinking is we go through... We don't do it all in one go. We'll go through like
Speaker: start Start from the bottom up, I think. That's the most logical way, isn't it? Is it? I like it. Well, the the longest chat is going to be shoes probably, isn't it? Well, because you're in pictures, yeah. It will be, yeah. Yeah. and So why don't we start with, well, Kieran, you've done your marathon, so you can tell us what she's used. I'm assuming that's... Is that going to be your pick or is that... Are you going to... Well, they they're on the list. Like, I... I ran Berlin in the Adios Pro 5. Um, and I mean I didn't run
Speaker: A brilliant race out there. I ran pretty well, I think, until kind of like 18 miles, 19 miles, and then the wheels fell off. And yeah and actually, the biggest thing I can say about the Pro 5, for that last sort of chunk of the marathon there, pretty smooth and controlled and comfortable underfoot and they kind of helped get me to that finish in relative comfort you know they're not quite as aggressive as some of the other shoes I would probably pick to go chasing an all -out PB and I really needed that at the end of Berlin they ran well when I was running well they looked after me when I wasn't so although I did Berlin in them if I was probably going to go and chase a PB tomorrow.
Speaker: I'd actually be popping on something slightly different. I'd probably go still for, and this is this is quite funny because these shoes are still, they're old they're older now, but I think they haven't, in my esteem, been kind of beaten yet. And that's the Puma Fast R3. and the S6 Metaspeed.
Speaker: Edge Tokyo. haven't run in the sky, running the edge. and Both of those at the moment are probably the punchiest. I've discounted the Pro Evo 3, which is probably the best. yeah shoot out there but um Yeah, I don't because it's not really very accessible and affordable.
Speaker: I've got to put that to one side. So those would be my marathon picks, I think to go. And later before I was going to go, if you're on Frankfurt, were you boys? Hmm.
Speaker: Nick, similar similar picks? Yeah, I mean, I've got, you know, any old choice, free choice for Frankfurt. So I'm going with the Puma Fastart Nitro Elite 3. I think that and the Asics Metaspeed Sky Tokyo are my favourites, both from last year, like Kieran says. Don't think they've been... topped this year apart by necessarily maybe by the pro evo 3 which actually I... I'm not using it in Frankfurt, even though I have it.
Speaker: ah Not only is it not very accessible and not durable at all, but it's I think it's probably just a tad too soft for me for the marathon. I kind of learned that lesson with the Metaspeed Ray this year, I think. So I need something a little bit... firmer underfoot to help me kind of shuffle through my last few miles so Puma Fast R3 is the shoe I'm going for. um Yeah, I think... it's Pretty great. I mean, that extended plate, I think, really works. I think the whole design of the shoe really works. It's just... I think it's maybe a little bit harder on the body maybe than the Sky Tokyo and actually... you know you can it's not
Speaker: you know if you're not in the shape to go and do the marathon really well i think it might work against you by the end because you might just feel a bit too kind of beaten up by it but actually if you're in hopefully in perfect shape ready to go I think it is the fastest marathon shoe for me right now
Speaker: Okay. Thank you, Tom. which you say you've got three you're picking between. Yeah, so I'm still deciding. I've got, um I was going to bring him pick them up, but there's no point, is there? Pick them up, Tom, go on. No, no, I'll put a cut way over it. ah So the options I've got are the Asics, Man, Sweet Sky, Tokyo, which is my safe bet. Um,
Speaker: You know, if i'mm I'm going seriously this time, so I'm going to pick a shoe that I... I want to go fasting. I'm not going to be... too experimental with it. So my safest bet is the Essex Metis Free Sky Tokyo. My second one, and that's because I keep banging on about it and I haven't actually run a marathon yet, is the Sockney Endorphin Elite 3. Okay, nice and cushy. Nice and cushy, but I am worried about it in the lattice. Dages. if the squishiness does cause a problem and I'd
Speaker: lose any sort of Benefit of... firm you know any major roll -through. uh, or turnover And then the other one I've got, actually, which I will bring up. Is the tier... Talk really.
Speaker: Me too. which I'm really into at the moment. This is like... I think this is one of the best races out at the moment. It works. Pretty aggressive, pretty fast, but i did that's what I did. um ah kington in the weekend last weekend and it felt so comfortable the whole way no issues at all apart from I did have quite bad DOMs because I think like the FastR3 it's quite aggressive and um you know,
Speaker: That's all right. Dom's is fine as long as it's the next day. I don't mind Dom's. I'm going to be drinking around Germany for a week, so Dom's isn't a problem. but these ah ah there So I've got those in my three picks. At the moment, I'm veering towards the Metaspeed Sky Tokyo just to be safe. So you're ah you're going on after Frankfurt, so you will have actual luggage. You could afford to take more than one shoe. you know because I've only got hand luggage. My choice is made when I leave the country. I'll just have hand luggage. Oh, really? Okay. I travel light.
Speaker: but what like a rucksack hand luggage for yeah for a week impressive okay so you are going to have to choose your shoe before you go then so when are you when you're going to pick the shoe Three times 3K tomorrow. i Do each of the 3Ks in one of them. I don't think that's going to tell me much. I've got a 12 miler on Sunday. Bye -bye.
Speaker: I might choose the Soccer Endorphin Elite 3 for that. It's really... The Soccer Endorphin Elite 3 is the one that's confusing me at the moment, so... um Nice. It sounds like you're going to be in your own head for a week and a half. So that sounds good. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll make the wrong decision like when I stupidly Decided to run the marathon in the Mizuno Wave Rebellion 3. you did big up that shit for ages about ever running a marathon the most uncomfortable shit I've ever run a marathon
Speaker: All right, so that's shoes. Let's move up. of Well... It's very slightly to the Sox. Did you pick Sox? Up. Yeah, I've got a socks pick. ah Okay. Kieran, you go first. Kieran studies marathon. Kieran can go first in all of them. Yeah. um Well, i've I've... basically been wearing the same socks for God knows how many years since I've had them. I've actually washed them. I mean, they do get washed occasionally. Sometimes between. Just take the bag out and put it in a drawer and pick it up the next race I go to. But they... they
Speaker: Basically, the stance performance socks.
Speaker: and There's a couple of different, sort slightly different varieties of these. Some of them, they're the thicker performance socks that I'll wear. The only time I sort of change for that is there's another Icon sock that's like a thinner performance version which um if I've got a set of race shoes that are going to be a little bit more snug a little bit more tight I might switch between those, but I've basically been running in the stance performance socks. so They've got a little bit more padding underfoot, so they do fit a bit tight in race shoes. But I quite like having that little bit of extra cushion. And they... i know they've've I've had these sort of same three or four pairs. for years now that,
Speaker: Dirty grey. They were white. They're no longer. But they just... sit there, do the job and, um, They seem to be durable as anything. so Very durable. That's that's my my pick. they've They're great. And I'm... um needing a I'm going to need to invest in some more new ones. but yeah they're great
Speaker: I'm using my Spork socks. My daughter got me some Sporks socks, a brand called Sporks. They have unicorns on them. That's why she got them. if They say stay magic. They're teal. So I'm mostly going on looks, design, and emotion with my sock choice. But they are very good socks, I will say. They have they like padded enough around the kind of toes. and heel to be comfortable but i'll have a quite breathable on top and stuff like that so yeah i've run a lot of races in them now over the last kind of two years and Yeah, they are my go -to
Speaker: Big, big day sucks. My A game sucks. A game sucks. I am going for so as you know I'm the most boring man in the world when it comes to socks I basically just wear smart black black and grey smart black socks M &S all the time but when i when I just come to race day the thing about these smart ones that I wear all the time is they're probably a little bit too padded for race day
Speaker: and a little bit warm. So I'm going to go for the inside out, my Fuji Trails, Essex Fuji Trail socks. Great sock. It's a great sock, isn't it? I've got that sock. It is a good sock, actually, to be fair. That is a good sock. I use it... And when I race... I'm a very boring man. I don't really care about like colours on stuff. But when I race, I think, well, I'm going to wear socks that are a bit more colourful on the day. He looks a treat on race day. Brighten up. Good attitude, positive mentality. You can't be wearing black on race day.
Speaker: so so And I hardly ever wear these. like If I see these in the draw, most days I'm like not touching them. Too colourful for Monday monday and Friday. It's a race day. I'm all over them. If you ever see Tom in a bright socks on a training, shout something at him because he he'll be embarrassed. You won't see him go by because if he's wearing colourful socks, it's basically faster. I'm actually racing. Just shout nice socks. That'll be enough to put him in a spiral, I reckon. I would stop and go, oh, don what have I done? and What have I done? So that they get as it lasts even though they're trail cheryl socks, they don't I mean, most socks aren't really trail socks, are they? They're just... They're just socks, but they are very good. And then ah I think there's loads of colours of them as well. So good.
Speaker: Good option, that one. Okay, anything on the legs before we go to the midriff? No, no. You sometimes wear a calf thing, don't you, Tom? I'm not wearing that. I think I will do. I've got a bit twingy at the moment, so I might do that. Okay, okay. It just gives me a bit of peace of mind, doesn't it, after I've had but marathons where I've... I had to, well, hobble in for 10K. It's nice to have a bit of mental support. We're not in knee support territory yet. ah So what, underwear and shorts?
Speaker: Let's go Kieran's favourite underwear. This is it. It's actually a sting. We just want to hear this. i've I've got a setup which is already, I've had people comment on under our videos about how nuts this is. But I go for a three layer setup. hath Like I did. Remember all those years ago, Kieran, when we did my this first marathon kit with me and I had three things on and we were going, that's mental. And I've now gone to two, but you've taken on three. Well, I've got some really, I've got some, basically they're like boxer briefs that I really love. this They're really, really thin, really soft. They're called CXP Endurance. There's a few different lengths of them, but they're basically like nothing's there, but they give a bit of support and they all, and then I'll now use, use a half -tight. So normally the Janji...
Speaker: eight inch trail half ties, which I really love, mainly because they've got a lot of storage in the pockets. It's like... three pockets on either side and you can look after your phone your gels lots and lots of stuff if often we're carrying ah um carrying a camera or whatever to film and all that kind of stuff I can basically load everything into those and it's all good they're comfortable I really like having that sort of um I know, it's like a suit of armor sort of locked in feel as well. And then I'll just, I'll layer up on top of that as as kind of... thin and finer outer kind of shorts I can find. So Hoka have got some really good ones called the Stride, which are nice and thin. um
Speaker: Saw have got another pair that I've forgotten the name of right now, but they're also really kind of fine race. They're shorts that are unlined or with the Hoka ones, maybe I'll cut the pant, the little pant brief line. It's just for modesty, is it?
Speaker: A modesty pair, or...? Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah, I just, I'm not, I can't, I don't feel right running with everything out on show. I don't feel right with you running with everything out. No one needs to see, you know, Berlin doesn't need that. I mean, it's like, or whatever. Yeah. Now it's,
Speaker: Yeah, call me old school, but that's just me. I go full halftime, obviously. I have no modesty concerns. but Yeah. ah Yeah. Nothing against people who do. I'm not judging, but we've got to feel right. and it's um Three shorts and two t -shirts. I don't want to spoil the t -shirts, but... You are layering up. Yeah, they are layers. But the the one thing about the the CXP... ah
Speaker: box as well as I know that they won't chaff there. Rub and cut in. so that's the other reason I do that bottom layer because there's no sort of seams in them so I'm a big bottom lane fan as well. i ah um um I've never been... You know, when running shorts come with a brief, I've never ever trusted that brief to be what I use in shorts. I always wear running underwear. Still my favorite actually since back in the day when we did one.
Speaker: for my first sub 230, Kieran. It's the Bjorn Borg pants, the Iceman. The Iceman always delivers. They're very durable. They're very silky soft, very comfortable. They're boxer briefs. And yeah, I wear those as a first layer. And then I wear a pair of half tights now. For a long time, I used these Decathlon women's half tights, which are unable to get because they had such good storage. Because when I first started using them, it must have been you know seven, eight years ago. There wasn't a lot of high storage half tights. I think now we are.
Speaker: There's a lot of good options. um I really like the Saw Trail. Rion shorts, they're crazy expensive, but um I really like those. They've got really good storage. They're probably what I'll use in Frankfurt. Or as' actually, if I'm not going to go...
Speaker: Four and a half die and I go for shorts. Decathlon have a looser pair, which I've actually used for a couple of runs in training recently, which again have great storage and they're much cheaper. I don't know the actual name I'm not exactly sure of what they are but the decathlon some kind of high storage shorts they're always really good but yeah I need to carry just two soft lasts this time because I'm trying out a new Morton approach which will talk about later. um And then, i'll yeah, I'll either go with the tried and true.
Speaker: you can't get them anymore decathlon women's half tights or maybe these very expensive sore ones those Those Rayon shorts, you know when I still talk about locked -in feel, those... with that kind of they've got elastomer or and whatever whatever they've got different yeah fabric which is really really kind of it's quite compressive on the thighs right so that
Speaker: I don't know. It just gives you that sort of bulletproof. I like the feeling. I think there was another study recently suggesting there isn't a performance benefit to compression during stuff, but... I like that the little Kipron also have some Rayon half ties. Actually, I was going to, I really like them, but the way they do their storage system, I don't like quite as much. It's got the same amount of pockets. It's just the way they position them on me when I'm carrying two soft flasks. I don't like as much as the old Decathlon shorts I have. Okay.
Speaker: Tom. Well... So... ah This is probably going to annoy some viewers because I'm going for expensive ones. but my two hundred and eighty pounds jobs I pretty much always have...
Speaker: done races in um saw jaw layer shorts so yeah That varies. modifications they had one called the dual air they had one called the four season shorts and However, they've all perished. Because I've not had any for quite a long time. And also I get told off as a lot. I wash it on much too high heat. So they perished a while ago, my older ones. So easy to wash things on low heat these days. I know. Well... Not for me. So I am layering at the moment when it comes to races. Normally, I don't layer at all when I'm training. So I've got these sore... Luckily, he sort of printed the name on there. It's all speed shots.
Speaker: Mm. Good chance. which are very good shorts. and I don't use them very often, but I use them as an undergarment And then I got sent these, which...
Speaker: I can only wear... for like race day because they're like sort of split shorts. These are the, what are they called? Marathon shorts 2 .0. Oh, yeah. Good storage. And I did erase in these once, and I didn't wear any undergarments. And um ah the the photos didn't look very good. Release the photos, Tom. Coward. They're not very good. yeah ah so So now I've put them on top as of the other ones. but um dev No Like, nothing.
Speaker: Just that is yours. Yeah, I just swear in them. Yeah. Well, we need to know this race then, Tom. Give us the race. It's a trail race, actually. A trail race? Trail? some People coming up behind the trail on on the steepness. People coming up behind me, yeah. People finishing the race. who There's a predator out in the hill? very very comfortable
Speaker: Very free and easy. Too free, it sounds like. Yeah. Well, so that' ah's that's that's what I'm going for in Frankfurt. and um but it's a very expensive pairing. You don't need to go that hard, but... I'm going to hide the ah half tights, Kieran, and I'll get some photos of him in his split shorts, don't worry. They're two items that I never wear normally, apart from if you combine them. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, and a bit light blue for me. I'd like a nice black pair of... Gosh, it's really going colourful for this marathon. Yeah. A lot of sore stuff, it's fair to say, come come the biggest race. I mean, um i I either go sore or decathlon. There's no middle ground with me. I always argue that, and a lot of my friends are pretty thrifty when it comes to running kit, but on race day, they will happily... Normally, they you know they might get a sore pair of shorts for a Christmas present or something, and it's a nice for Christmas present to have, isn't it? Because you really do use it. But I don't mind, you know, it's a bit... more money on support for race day if it just makes it slightly more enjoyable. I mean, I know none of you guys are either be using a running belt as well or...
Speaker: Always. See, I have to ask for the high storage shorts because I don't have to use a running belt, but what are you using, Tom? Well, I use the same belt all the time. I need to get... I'm actually going to do the the really belt video at some point soon, so I am getting more belts in at the moment. But I bang on a lot about this belt all the time. Oh, the legendary belt. This is It's really simple, but it's got a massive... section here, which I normally use for my phone because I've got a massive Pixel 9 XL phone and not many... but bragging all bit And
Speaker: Well, I don't want it. It's too big. I don't want it anymore. I want a smaller one, but they're too expensive. And then it's got this like credit card one, which is just perfect for marathons because I don't need to carry that much, but this really does hold tightly against you. So even with a massive phone, like it doesn't wobble around. I mean, I've had this for... I've had two of these in my life. I've had this one for probably seven years.
Speaker: And yeah it's just such a good material. it's I'll never have any issues with it. so um All of my stuff goes in there. We'll talk about like drop bags and stuff a bit but basically I turn up to a race just wearing my clothes and this and that's everything that's all that's me done I don't need to mess about at all so that's Fitletic Bolt what about you guys? Uh,
Speaker: No, I don't need you. i like I did do a couple of runs this time experimenting with using, because I do like those sore speed shorts. I could race in those and wear a belt, but... Yeah, it didn't seem worth it to use the belt as well. um because there were some times where I thought maybe if I positioned my drinks a little bit higher on my body it might feel a bit better but No, they feel really good around the waist now, on the hips. nice well I won't be but ah maybe I won't marry the belt for frank fact because it's by high tails next to the start line so I'm probably not going to yeah we're going to Turns out, how many Joes are you carrying?
Speaker: Four. we'll get into that in a bit Yeah. Lovely.
Speaker: Okay. what's what's next? um Cops. Tops. tops
Speaker: How many cases, Darren? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um um i'm using it I'm always using a two -layer system up top. I think it comes from my old football days where... I just used to, whenever I was playing football, we used to, the football shirts were always You know, in the battering wind and rain of North Devon when I was playing. He'd get these old scratchy football shirts that would... rubs i always wore a layer underneath that didn't and i've always run with two layers so i've got some base layers that essentially they've just got really nice smooth kind of shiny material and there's a few different varieties and i just know that they won't rub my nipples and then i'll layer on a light t -shirt over the top so there's a couple from under armor they're like the under armor heat gear and simple kind of basic sort of base layers
Speaker: Those ones are really great. But one that I've been using, I used it in Berlin recently, and I don't think you can still buy this, so it's a It's not a very useful recommendation, but Innovate did a really thin... lightweight base layer top that it's so, so thin that you basically don't even really know you're wearing it.
Speaker: I probably could just wear that top and pin the race number on. But when you get sweaty,
Speaker: It shows a little bit. It gets... There's like wet t -shirt competition sort of stuff going on. And when you've got like big hairy chest like I have, it just it just looks like... ah Yeah, it doesn't look right. So so i can't I can't be wearing my half tights with nothing over and big sweaty kind of hairy boobs showing through a very thin top. That's the look of most running clubs I go to. various that like It's not an uncommon look, Kieran. I just... yeah i just yeah I just think maybe other people could get away with it. I don't feel right subjecting the world to that. but So I'll try and find another T -shirt to pop on top of that, and that will be something, again, like the lightest T -shirt that I can find. So there is a Hoka Aerolite 2 .0 T -shirt, which is super light, North Face 2, the Summit Series, they're trail T -shirts. but they're kind of super fine. Now you've got a couple of lightweight ones, but ones that are really kind of Daddy there. that I'm will go over the top.
Speaker: So i've got I've basically got two layers, but they're both quite fine. And there's probably not much more than a regular T -shirt. We have a bit of torque chafing. Do you, uh... I use a bit of Vaseline. I'll say that. and In areas, so my nipples. you you do you have some You're big on anti -chave creams, right, Kieran? Do you use them in the marathon or is that just for ultras? No, I do. I've got one one that I swear by. I used it, I basically found it and used it for the marathon to start back in 2015 and it's called Two Toms and it's a little roll -on. It's like ah and it's like an oily sort of silicone -y sort of roll -on and I'll just basically, yeah.
Speaker: Do the... both nipples and all all the undercarriage. And I never get any chafing problems from that. So yeah for marathons and longer, I'll always use that. I i don't bother over halves or whatever, but um yeah, I really rate that. And if you, if you do struggle, I can't be bothered to be taping nipples and putting plasters on and they never stay on anyway. I just don't want, and then you have to rip them off and hair. And yeah, so two times that, if there's one piece of marathon kit that I really, or ultra kit, I really swear by out of all of it, that would be, it's 15 pounds for a little. for a roll and bottle but it's worth it not to get in the shower and have that pain that you care the only thing I have with Vaseline is I feel like it's slightly stained my race vest around my nipples having used it there every race Yeah. yeah this stuff washes out it doesn't it doesn't mark so Yeah, it's good. I really rate it.
Speaker: Yeah. un global What have you got on top Nick? ah So I use my club vest. I've used so my club we now have a saw vest which is what i use lovely vest the saw race fest you know i Can't really fault it in any single way, but I have also raced in, we used to have like scimitar vests, the kind of... Pretty classic club.
Speaker: uh, you know, Big. bulk manufacturer for uk running clubs but yeah i use a sore vest the run tester vest we have i've used as well are also sore race vests and super lightweight super comfortable Yeah, I've just never had any concerns of it. And I don't tend to get anything too bad in terms of chafing up top. Very occasionally on some vests, I get like a... Like on my... underside of my bicep chafing from rubbing past maybe a slightly thick, I don't know, seam on the side. but Yeah, saw vest is perfect. No concerns of it. Great vest. Tom, you use the same vest. Do you use a saw vest?
Speaker: Yeah, so I've got the Runcester saw vest and I've got the Brighton Phoenix saw vest. Although Brighton Phoenix have also... try to branch out and they're trying to find some cheaper options for because obviously annoyingly the Brighton Phoenix Fest is white which means that so um,
Speaker: messes up the longevity of it a bit if you yeah same for ryan harris as well um so suit like either you make a mistake with it or you just get some stain on it you can't get rid of it but they have they've branched out into some like chinese equivalents that basically call it saw copies uh and i've got a couple of those and they are very strangely fitting Oh, I can't wait to see this. Yeah, what are those like... um I tried one on and the sizes were like, I've got like an XXL and it's still fairly tight. But it's really, really long. So it looks like a nightdress. so I'm not going to be wearing in that and I'm not I don't even know what the brand is I will be going for I'm not sure if I'll run in run tester or club vest actually I'll decide
Speaker: Call it on the day. call on the day yeah see how I feel I might go club vest this time actually I've only just recently well fairly recently joined Phoenix again so it's nice to wreck the club yeah I'll wear it proudly Our white vests. Hmm. And they have actually just designed a I think they've had it for a while, actually, but they've got a blue one with white writing on, which is actually way nicer, but it's meant to be the training vest. Not official. You can't use an official vest. Exactly. because say Um, So, yeah, but I was... pretty Like...
Speaker: Only ever everywhere. a saw vest for racing and I have done for Cheers. Yeah, I've got a really nice Saisky one, which I like. But... I don't use it for racing. I mean, if I'm racing, I'm nearly always in the club vest or the tear yeah the run tester's vest. Yeah yeah. Okay. I don't think i don't think I've ever worn a vest to race.
Speaker: Nice one. There's your 40 seconds right there, Kieran. Your amazingly hairy chest. At some point, I'm going to go out in a tiny pair of three -inch split shorts and no pants and a vest and see what happens. Actually, what? We'll all get to that point. Oh yeah, at a certain point we'll all be hearing that. Like, I think it's obligatory. Once you're a proper vet runner, you are going to be wearing split shorts. Yeah, yeah. I'm not far away from it. I've done it already, but they'll be suing me.
Speaker: what' store What now have we got? Headgear. Anything on the face? gla how I've got to wear glasses. yeah You probably wore sunnies, did you? i do I will wear sunnies. and They're ones I've recommended on the channel. If i'm if it's hot, don't always. I don't think I did in Berlin. I don't think I bothered. I should have. It was quite bright. But yeah, I'll wear... ba Yeah. I've got some blizz sunglasses that I wear that are a bit more kind of full face, kind of racy, or I have... These guys, which are a bit more kind of...
Speaker: regular and um I've been wearing these. I've worn these all over the place, but these are Tifosi Swick. And yeah I wore those on the Danube. They're, again, cheap, durable. just ah you can wear them walking around the city after without feeling like you're wearing you know running racing glasses so i quite like them i um i use prescription glasses i've kind of stopped wearing contacts too much lately because they're faff so i've got some I've talked about these guys a lot on the channel. i think I've actually ordered a new set, bought a new pair of the Zeni Optical. Zonnie's wraparound.
Speaker: sunglasses which are really good value prescription sports sunglasses that stay in place really well I wore I've got two pairs already but I wanted a pair in a, you know, I wanted a teal pair, basically. So, I'm hoping they'll arrive before we go. But if not, I'll wear the ones I wore in Seville, which is the same model, but with purple lenses. They're just, yeah, they stay in place. They're really good value. Even though they're a U .S. company, you can order to the U .K. Even with U .K. shipping, these were, I think, $120, which isn't that bad for prescription sports sunglasses. So they're the ones I'm going to use on race day. I think I have a pair of them. They're Sonny's range as well, which are a bit more casual looking. They look a bit more like the Tifosi ones Kieran has, which... They don't stay in place quite so well, so I probably won't use them on race day or I'll... put some little jibber -jabbers on the arms to keep them in place if my new ones don't come in time. I'll probably just decay a pair of sunglasses. Because I'm on holiday the week after, I need a pair of sunglasses that...
Speaker: Because I don't really like fancy... Spunk on originals. What? The Classics. Sungler Classics is what they're called, isn't it? I think it's called the Zephyrs or something. But they are basically just nice sunglasses that you can wear for running. They're running sunglasses, but they're really designed so you can use them all the time. Because I'm going to be on holiday for a week afterwards. Fair enough. I've got to... travel smart, so I don't want to be taking two pairs of sunglasses. I can't believe you've got hand luggage for a week's holiday. Well, we'll do a separate podcast on my travel systems, but usually I use it as a chance to get rid of some old clothes. Ah, like Jack Reacher, basically. Yeah, I guess, you know, I'll put them in charity bins wherever I go to, but basically I use it as a, I'll start with a full bag and then by the end of the week I'll... Sheds his clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Places them with souvenirs. Yeah, yeah. And then I'll buy some new ones along the way. That's it. Oh, you replace it. There's a replacement going on. That's the trick. That's my shopping. That's my shopping. There's so much coming out about Tom's approach to life here. I like it. Because the thing is, I think Nick's point was actually, that's not enough clothes to take to start with, let alone start throwing them away. It's like, oh, by day five, I've got nothing left. I'll be fine, but it's more like the wash. I could actually easily do a week with a backpack, but I would... it's washing of the clothes that's the issue washing clothes in a week I mean the backpack is I'll be buying cheap t -shirts and stuff fair enough a lot of my wardrobe is cheap you're getting a marathon finishers t -shirt you're getting a finishers t -shirt to wear do we get a finishers t -shirt I thought you had to pay for one I said no, yeah. I think it was paid, actually. These ragtags are small, Tom. Left -hands are, you know, it's 40 by 30 centimetres. Don't you worry about that. You could just go, where everyone discards all their clothes, Tom, at the beginning of the race, you could go back to that. The Michelin man would layer it up. Get yourself seven days' worth of... We're so proud of you, Tom. This really would make sense. One backpack. You could fold it into his other backpack. You could get the elite clothes, get back to our hotel and be back for your start, I reckon. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've got my kit for the week. Yeah. Holiday. I'd love to see that, Tom. I want to see like you basically foraging and finding the best kit out of the kit that's been thrown away. Little verted glasses, wearing a split shorts. What, from the elites?
Speaker: ah From all of me. Yeah. Yeah. I could just spend the next week just wearing the tightest clothes possible. free time i in tight tops yeah If you're wearing cast -off East African elite clothes, Tom, I'll call in sick to work so I can stay with you. that's the I do get all the holiday snaps. yeah I mean, for the castles wearing white leggings. Tom being arrested in a variety of ways. Coming to Instagram soon. Comment under one of Tom's posts from, like, Sebastian Sarwasingh. Is that my jumper?
Speaker: Right, what's next? Caps.
Speaker: Hats. Headband for me. Oh, headphones. you guys I'm not wearing headphones. Kieran or Tom, you're wearing headphones? I'm RoboPowerBeat Pro. Tschüss. Nice. gift i mean i I will vary my headphones a bit, but... depending, it sometimes depending on what we're testing, but it'll be a, Probably a pair of shocks or maybe I've used a Huawei free clip twos. Quite nice just for... I'm imagining that it's not going to be like a London atmosphere. Well, that's the only thing. I'm tempted to pop the AirPods 5 in my, ah because I have a bit more space this time in my ah in my shorts. In case I do blow up and I want to just listen to a podcast and mosey on it over the last 10K, but... Probably won't. I like... I like keeping it as free. If I'm trying to get in a group, it's better to...
Speaker: be able to talk a bit yeah I don't want to talk to anyone So Powerbeats Pro 2 and Kirin Air Varies. What did you use in Berlin? I actually took the um the new shocks open for two. European ah dance music certified.
Speaker: Of course. Yes. I just wear my buff headband. I've worn it a million times. No, my teal one. not Yeah, buff Dryfix headband. Good headband. About you guys. I'm normally a cat, but...
Speaker: I've developed a bit of a problem recently. It's a new thing. I never had this. And I think it might be because the less hair that I have on the top of my head, the more the sweat is rolling down. But I keep getting lots of sweat in my eyes now.
Speaker: But he's a headband, mate. That's what I use a headband for. I think at some point I'm going to have to go for the headband. I was thinking what I really need is a cap. I was... At one point, I did take a headband to see if I could wear it under the cap, but it quite fit. Grotesque head. And that's the look. You look like a muffler. I don't know if I can just go straight headband because there's not enough hair up top. If it's a hot day, I'm basically going to get... Yeah, my headband days are numbered because I'm pushing it further and further back. So am I. might
Speaker: Next time, if I have to wear it, I might actually just have to get one of, like, a hair system. nice fall Like a race day hair system stuck on. A wig? A voice like wig? Goes to round and round. Is that something you can buy like a... Is there a saw? Race day wig. Or you fill it in with paint and it starts dripping down the face. I think you're onto something there. Like Rudy Giuliani. Saw race day wig. I'm in for it. I'm in. I don't know. Yeah. Because the cap's on. There's no... A lot of them, the sweat bands in the whatever are not strong enough for you. Yeah, you get drips off the peak a bit. Usually the only one I stop, to be fair. um But yeah, I do hate Sweat In The Eyes.
Speaker: So the other option you You have a thing on your wrist is to pop a sweatband on the wrist to wipe away, I guess. Yeah, but you know, like it's it's like even during the half on Sunday, it's happened so often that it's just really distracting to constantly having to be, and if it gets in there, you're stinging, you can't see, and you're hurting, or it's just, yeah. Anyway, so if anyone's got a solution to this, then please. Rex, your ah sunglasses as well, doesn't it? just covered in sweat oh yeah Yeah.
Speaker: And then you can't try and clean it on your top, which is much sweatier. Yeah. You've got a bit of gel on your top and hands. That ruins it. You just can't see a thing. You're running around like Mr. Magoo. Yeah, I actually need an prescription for me. It's a real problem. to Tom, you've got a billion caps. Which one are you going to wear? I've got a billion caps. I'll probably buy a new one when I go out there. ah The only one that I'll probably wear, I always wear is... Your Marlboro one. Bye. my my ah tracksmith okay Boston won.
Speaker: Nice. From a massive pile of Boston stash you bought. To prove that at once I was quite fast. Um, That's that's my probably my favourite one. Nice. But I've got loads of them. I've actually... I was tempted to use the Exeo one that... we've been testing oh yeah that's got that really clever thing where you can put the sunglasses in there yeah getting useless to me because i take my sunglasses off and put them in there i can't see so of course yeah but i definitely would
Speaker: would forget that they're on there and and lose them or something. But yeah, I've done the take the cap off extravagantly and Send your sunglasses flying to Missouri. So, yeah, that's... Yeah, Marci Seppo. Nice.
Speaker: Is that everything? Yeah, we're not going to do watches really because usually we're just testing, right? Yeah, it's too complicated. it Oh, we're going to talk fueling, weren't we? Fueling is the big one, yeah. Fueling and... ah john Do you want to do... Let's do fueling last and let's do drop bag because that it ties in a bit closer to... I think we'll leave Kieran for last here because Kieran's got a lot of this. mind if i'm If I'm doing a home marathon in London, I'll stick in a pair of UFOS to wear after the race or a comfy pair of shoes.
Speaker: And then just... A couple of liars. That's all I put in a drop bag and my phone, obviously. I don't take a drop back. I will wander...
Speaker: Three kilometres, four kilometres across a freezing city. Rather than pack one jumper. after a race rather than yeah put something in I hate putting stuff in I hate queuing up for the kit bag i for the drop bag drop dont don't need it I go blue if I don't have at least a jumper in there but yeah mostly I won't take much to Frankfurt because we are so close to the start finish to be fair yes but Kieran the drop back Kieran your drop rucksack yeah I mean what i i I don't always do a a big
Speaker: drop bag but actually in races where like Berlin if you're going to be it's quite a lot way back to the hotel or I haven't got any friends or family or whatever to to
Speaker: to do it, then I will. and There's a few things I... For me, I need to get, I get cold really quickly, even in the winter what marathons worse, but even in the summer, my temperature drops and then I get rain or so I have to get. that wet layer off fast. so I'll take a really nice soft tee and ah maybe it's something fleecy, like a couple layers very quickly on, even if it's warm and sunny. So that doesn't kick in because once the Reynolds goes and I'm useless to anyone, I'm probably whacking, you know, the usual stuff, pair of trousers. and
Speaker: Second pair of shoes, but those shoes I'll wear to the race morning, on the race morning, then pop them in the bag. car I don't really like wearing the carbon shoes to and from the races. They're not comfortable. and So those will go in. I will stick inside like a couple of plastic bags as well so that when I take off...
Speaker: The stinky kit that goes in a plastic bag away from all the other bits and a plastic bag for the shoes to go in. And speaking of bags, the other thing that I've had to put in, and there's some of this is a bit more old for the marathons, but...
Speaker: I've got... A little bag that I carry all around the world and it's got a protein shake in it, which I've had in there for about seven years. I always think I'm going to drink that protein shake because I should do that the minute I finish. I can never face it. But in there, there's some tea bags and sometimes in places where you can get hot water or I i can't get a cup of tea. and A cup of cup of milky tea with sugar can really fix me if I've gone all out and I'm really in bits. So that's something I'll have in there. That falls your hotel from you from the race. It sounds like you're hick planning for a two -day journey. I mean, some of them some of them you can be like, I mean, like I guess some of it's a bit longer. Like the comrades, you know, it's ah it's more about the fact that you're actually in bits and you're not able to go anywhere, move.
Speaker: for a little while because you've got to get yourself back together because you've really overexerted. It doesn't happen often in took regular marathons did it bit of Chester um and it's quite a way back was a drive to our accommodation I was on my own so yeah if you Often you can get a cup of tea, but i just have them in there just in case you can't, because it will fix me if I'm busted. Battery pack. Maybe a bank card and a bit of cash.
Speaker: in there as well again just in case phone's dead and the or whatever.
Speaker: It's not, something's happened, so I've got a bit of cash to get back. And then last one, if you can, like i I totally advise it, is particularly if you if you're new to it, I'd put some salty snacks in as well. i stick a bag of salt and vinegar crisps or something that's not sweet because they'll hand you a banana and something else like a a sickly protein shake as you cross the line. and You won't want to eat it if you've had six gels. And just having something else to put in your body that is salty or savory, I think really works for me as well. So that kind of stuff I'll whack in there. and Yeah. So, wet wipes. You know. clean So we're getting an alcohol -free beer at the end, I imagine, at Frankfurt.
Speaker: Of course. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's yeah. I heard in the Citroën
Speaker: is it is it earning us is that what yeah it is yeah right yeah if it's a citron i don't mind actually um As long as, yeah. But it's just a beer and a protein shake is not how you hit it. I don't hear life. If I finish a hard long run, I will have a recovery shake if I have one. But once I finish the marathon... At that point, all I'm thinking about is the meal. I don't want to spoil my appetite for it, which has already been spoiled by the amount of gels we've eaten, I suppose. Yes, yeah. All right, well, that leads us nicely onto fueling then. What are we taking with us?
Speaker: If you haven't done it, Karen. Have a light night. Yeah, i will basically I've got a little... up For breakfast, I'll have... This stuff you won't... normally do this but i will go for eggs salmon avocado have a big decent breakfast beforehand a couple hours before so i get up stupid early and then on the way to the race i will have uh
Speaker: Morton 320. in a bottle that I'll drink during the hour leading up to it. And I'll take a bar, like often it's like a more than 160, but Stierke have those carb -heavy Rice Krispie bars. It could just be a Rice Krispie bar as well, but... that kind of thing. And I'll eat that with like maybe 15, 20 minutes to go as well. So I go in loaded with with carbs.
Speaker: And then I'll probably won't take a gel until either an hour or 90 minutes in. And then I just try to hit. Sorry.
Speaker: grams of carbs per hour minimum. try and stack in a bit more and... I really like, like now I'll take either like a, 90 gram pouch from Precision Fuel and Hydration and they're kind of neutral and gel like the fact you can open it and reseal it so you don't have to take it all at once but i can just basically take two of those in my pockets and i'm good to go or i've been reaching for like a stick a 50 gram carb gel a couple of those and maybe i'll throw in um a pure sport kind of fruity thing that's 30 grams but it's a bit
Speaker: for a different flavor and then maybe one maple syrup gel again for if I just have something if I want a little bit of a change later on but I'm trying to hit somewhere between 30 and 60 grams of carbs an hour for that kind of second roughly hour and a half for me so i I don't like taking too many gels to be honest so I try and get away with it a bit if I can on slightly less fuel rather than more.
Speaker: But. Yeah. That's mine. It's probably just as complicated. ah Well, it's pretty simple for simpler now these days. So bagels for breakfast with Marmite. I have a Morton drink mix 320. just after breakfast on the way to the race, I usually will pop an electrolyte. sashay or tab in the morning as well um
Speaker: Depends on, you know, what the race is. But I usually take like either the Prision Fueling and Hydration 1000 or 1500 one in the morning. Um, And then I might try and grab something on the course. We're not too...
Speaker: <unk> haven't been too big a concern touch with so far in most marathons I've done. But yeah, that's why I have one of those in the morning. uh and then yeah so there's fueling starts with morton drink mix 320 that's 80 grams of carbs And then in the race, I used to use that drink mix. I carry it with me in three soft lasts. Now, Morton just recently released the Gel Mix 480. which is 120 grams of carbs.
Speaker: in one 300, 350 mil soft flask. So it's... really high concentrated carbs and the texture is basically somewhere in between a gel and a drink And it's you know pretty easy just to sip on, basically. And you get the more to neutral flavor. I use the cola additions now to make it taste like Coca -Cola. So I've got two soft glass of those. So that's 240 grams of carbs on me in a very compact, easy to carry way. It's a similar system, actually, I guess, to the massive precision gels that Kirin uses. You know, I've got a soft glass I can sip. So actually every two and a half K.
Speaker: from 5k onwards i'll just have a mouthful basically i've been doing that for my long runs and just slowly goes down over time just to kind of drip feed without ever any kind of in one feed feeling too much and it's gone very well in training it's the first time we're putting into practice in a race it's interesting to see how i feel compared to the drinks afterwards but just having two soft flasks.
Speaker: It's so easy and compact for 240 grams of gels of carbs. So that allows me to hit. you know if i'm running two and a half hours over 80 grams of carbs an hour so i should be slightly increasing my carb intake this time compared to what i've had before whilst carrying less. So I'm a big fan of this new 480 gel mix as ever. It's pretty pricey. but Yeah, it does seem like ah a nifty way to get a lot of cars. I actually could have had drink service at Frankfurt. It's one of the reasons I chose Frankfurt. Starts to get a bit paranoid about that. Am I going to work out to use it? I'm not sure my entry is quite right.
Speaker: to get this either i don't need to talk to them about it at the expo so i'd rather just carry these two soft flasks and um just go little and often isn't that is what i'm trying now to avoid any kind of emptiness feeling on the run.
Speaker: No worries. Tom. One high five at 35k. I'll get up in the morning and I'll... I'm assuming... Oh, actually, because we're so close to the start of the race, we probably will get a bit of breakfast in the hotel, I imagine. Well, I'll probably buy a load of... Depending on what time they serve it, I might buy, like... Yeah, actually, on 4th of March, there's going to be bagels. I like to go and buy, like, doughnuts or something from a, you know... from a supermarket.
Speaker: I won't have much I'll probably have a rice sushi cake and half a croissant or something depending on what's in there I'll have a high five tablet, drink that a bit before the start, and then I'll have four gels, maybe five. During the race, one every I have them. I normally do use a precision fuel and hydration. I have two two caffeine ones and two normal ones and I'd mix them. Yeah. i've Because I don't want to have too much caffeine in it. But um I've not got any. I've got the... Pure sport energy gels at the moment.
Speaker: Okay. They were right. I'll use them. And then, uh, what I'll do is, uh, so I'll run out of gels by like 32 or something. And then, uh, then I just like either. I won't have one.
Speaker: or if I see someone on the course, I might have another one because by that point it's like, I'm not going to be sick or anything. So treat myself. Uh, That's it. That's that's and drink water when it. Just drink drink a little and often. Yeah, I'll take a sip on the course. If there's like a Lucas A style drink on the course, I might have a sip of that. I won't take the gels on the course probably because... Yeah. ah might that much well like yeah if it's 40 38k i might take a gel on the course Because at that point, it's not going to matter too much. Yeah. Nice. Is that the lot?
Speaker: that is That is it, I think, for Marathon think Kit. That's a lot of information. I mean, it's ended up being quite a long podcast. It has, yeah. I wasn't expecting to go through this much depth, but very useful information for anyone doing a marathon. Favorite post -marathon meal?
Speaker: Pizza. See, I've had so much pizza before. But yeah. I think I'm with Kieran. Burger and chips or milkshake? I'd have too much pizza beforehand, I think. Normally. I just eat bits all the time, so.
Speaker: Yeah. the Curry -versed this time. Oh yeah, we'll have a few currywursts. McDonald's beforehand, obviously. Well, I mean, one of the big treats of a European marathon is to see what you get in the European McDonald's. Yeah. I'll probably, well, I'll be there a day before you, so I'll nip in and I'll be a bit hungover from the um flight, so... Probably swimming at McDonald's, not the hotel. You're not going to explain it all, Tom, or just... I don't like flying. yeah don'll never come Hour and a half flight. More than a couple of drinks on a flight because I don't like flying. But it normally means that I have to get there a bit earlier than everyone else so I can... wake up and primatizing the jet lag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. As he sheds his first layer of clothes into the street. Picking up everyone else's. nice alright well that's ah ah um if anyone's still listening
Speaker: Thanks for that. Hopefully you found some of that useful. If you're in Frankfurt, say hello. Yeah, come say hello if you're in Frankfurt. Put it in the comments to the podcaster in Frankfurt. We probably won't have anything organized. Are we doing a group shakeout when we get there? No, I don't think so, Tom. Well, with our crew.
Speaker: Oh, are we doing a shakeout? Yeah, I suppose we could say when we're doing that, but we won't know until the day, I guess. No, no, I've got to clear what's going on. But yeah, we'll run together, Tom. That'll be nice. Do we normally do that? I don't think we've done that before, have we? We did. We did parkrun together at Loch Ness. Oh, yeah. That was good, actually. Is there a parkrun in Frankfurt?
Speaker: I don't know. I don't know if they have, yeah. They normally cancel them the day before, don't they? Berlin has, did not have Berlin have one, Kieran? Parkrun? Uh huh. yeah actually sure i think they were i think they did one on the actual the temple half where the the expo is so they probably yeah well with a lot of the bigger marathons they they cancel the park run the day before because it's too too risky because it's just be too
Speaker: full Right. But... I don't think Frankfurt's going to be... it's only like 14 15 000 people isn't it so it might be all right and not i don't think as many people know about it over there so I'll have a look. I'll investigate. It probably isn't, but... um Yeah. yeah It varies a lot. We're just talking like this on the podcast for no reason. So just checking it on our computers. But yeah, it's fine. All right then. Well. I think that'll do us, won't it?
Speaker: ah Yeah, lovely stuff. lovely stuff well well i'll'll ah I'll see you in Frankfurt Nick and See everyone else. on the return good luck out there boys Cheers. Catch you later. You soon.
Speaker: Bye. this episode of the podcast was presented by tom wheatley Nick Harris -Fry and Kieran Alger. It was produced by Tom Wheatley. Music was by Fear of Tigers.
