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Speaker: Hey, pal.
Speaker: Well, I have pals.
Speaker: Welcome to the latest episode of Hey Pal, I'm Coach A Bull.
Speaker: Thank you very much for joining us, as always.
Speaker: I'm appreciative of you inviting me into your weekly podcast rotation.
Speaker: You would have noticed this week a little bit of a later release than our normal ones, but it was in line with what we did during Cake Week last week, and...
Speaker: You know, maybe try it out.
Speaker: Maybe the weekend released is the best release.
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Speaker: at heypalpod, or even at the Gmail address, heypalunmailable at gmail.com.
Speaker: Let me know what you think.
Speaker: But looking towards going maybe a weekend release, and for you, if you wanted to go on your Sunday beach walks with the strolls and want to listen to me instead of the beach.
Speaker: You know, it takes all kinds.
Speaker: Anyway, speaking of it takes all kinds, it takes all kinds.
Speaker: It takes a village.
Speaker: It takes an army.
Speaker: It takes any other sort of group that you want to... A flock, a herd, to put something together and then for an event to have an everlasting memory.
Speaker: And this week's guest is Giles O'Brien from Created by Giles.
Speaker: And I've known Giles for a long time now through our work through EPW Perth Wrestling.
Speaker: But it's been since he's left the regular...
Speaker: Hold?
Speaker: Hold?
Speaker: Not probably.
Speaker: I was thinking more a nurturing term, but, you know, nestling from the EPW bosom.
Speaker: Anyway, that's probably going to be edited out.
Speaker: It's not because I'm a terrible editor, but this guy isn't.
Speaker: He's a great editor.
Speaker: So Giles O'Brien, he puts together videos.
Speaker: He's a videographer of great events through the Perth Fringe Festival.
Speaker: You see him popping about.
Speaker: He's done a lot of work with EPW and putting their shows together in the past as well.
Speaker: Lukey Boland Comedian as well.
Speaker: Some really great artists have trusted this man to not only capture their event, but then also put it together and have that live on for forever.
Speaker: Forever.
Speaker: Well, forever, ever?
Speaker: Forever, ever?
Speaker: Anyway, forever seems like a long time.
Speaker: But this guy is so good at what he does that it does.
Speaker: It stands the test of time.
Speaker: So we've got a chance this week to have a chat to him about all things editing, all things putting together a great production as well from that regard.
Speaker: So without further ado, please welcome my guest as I'm about to welcome again in the pre-record.
Speaker: But it's our interview with Giles O'Brien from Created by Giles.
Speaker: Well, this week's guest is, you know, someone who I'm fortunate to have been a mate with for quite some time.
Speaker: Well, fortunate for me.
Speaker: I'm not sure if he feels the same, but just an absolute dynamo of a wizard with editing, with filming, everything goes into the post-production and production.
Speaker: really making an event or a sporting contest look as good as it possibly can be for, you know, months, days, years to come.
Speaker: Probably got those orders the wrong way around.
Speaker: But this man has edited together professional wrestling shows and also some award-winning comedy shows, award-winning fringe festival stuff.
Speaker: So, you know, without any further ado, I've got the man from Created by Giles, Giles himself, Giles O'Brien.
Speaker: So, Giles, hey, pal.
Speaker: Hey buddy, how you doing?
Speaker: I was listening to that and just starting to think there was someone else in this Zoom call.
Speaker: Like, who's he talking about?
Speaker: Just look over the shoulder sort of thing?
Speaker: Yeah, no, definitely you, Giles.
Speaker: And, you know, we're going to have to pry away the layers of the onion there today so you can actually talk yourself up there today because I know you more so talk about the work, which we will get into.
Speaker: But I really appreciate you joining in and, like,
Speaker: I don't think a lot of people really spend a lot of time or maybe as much time as they should thinking about how an event can come across, you know, and be produced for after the fact.
Speaker: And I think it's a really big marketing tool for getting more people to your event, getting more people to your sporting contest, whatever it is, by having some, you know, slick, high quality video production.
Speaker: So that's why I'd like to delve into that deeper today with you and, you know, have you coach me up on it.
Speaker: But before we get there, let's take a little bit of the scene journey.
Speaker: And as I like to do with my guests, we are technically a sporting podcast.
Speaker: So I just want to know a little bit more about your fandoms when it comes to the world of sport, any particular sports, teams, athletes.
Speaker: And I know you've delved in the professional wrestling world, any wrestlers.
Speaker: So tell me a little bit about your sporting fandom, Giles.
Speaker: So even from a young age, it was wrestling.
Speaker: I when I was born in Ireland, anytime I go over to my grandparents place, if the wrestling was on, that was what me and my granddad were watching.
Speaker: The first ever event that we watched was WrestleMania three.
Speaker: So not a bad one to come in on.
Speaker: Yeah, not with any Roddy Piper, but mainly the main event of, he was Andre the Giant to my Hulk Hogan.
Speaker: So that was, and it just kind of segwayed from there.
Speaker: As much as Hogan was the big thing, I was a macho man, Randy Savage and Jake the Snake fan.
Speaker: which evolved into Shawn Michaels, which kicked off to Undertaker.
Speaker: Surprise, surprise, I'm a nerd.
Speaker: So sport was never a big deal for me as a kid.
Speaker: I would play basketball during the winter, play baseball during the summer.
Speaker: I followed Chelsea, even though
Speaker: All the women in my family are Liverpool supporters, including my brother-in-law as well.
Speaker: Good choice.
Speaker: It's me and my dad surrounded by red.
Speaker: And I'm a bit of a masochist because I continue to have the Green Bay Packers as my team for the NFL.
Speaker: So, yeah, I would love to say I like to support the underdog, but I think I just have some poor, poor life decisions when it comes to sport.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, you added from when that comes to sport.
Speaker: But no, I want to touch on wrestling a little bit.
Speaker: You know, a bit of a common theme with some of our shows that, you know, I know many of you wonderful human beings through that pro wrestling, I guess, telescope.
Speaker: But what do you think that it was that attracted you to wrestling there?
Speaker: I mean, some of those names you just mentioned, some of the most influential characters, even though they had the performance side of it in terms of the in-ring, you know,
Speaker: I guess, athletic action.
Speaker: But what was it that drew you to that professional wrestling world as a fan?
Speaker: It was the character work.
Speaker: It was something that you could sit down and you'd have your traditional good guy versus bad guy.
Speaker: And that's your basis for all wrestling, really.
Speaker: But it's the ones that just have something, that little X factor, that little bit of a sparkle that draws the eye.
Speaker: Like wrestling in the 80s, as anyone who knows wrestling knows, the 80s, it was Hulk Hogan.
Speaker: the year-long storyline of him and like macho man when they broke up and then it was they were facing off for the title of that year's wrestlemania i was devastated as a kid when as far as i saw hogan runs out with miss elizabeth leaving macho man to get his ass kicked yeah then i'm being told by my granddad no hogan's the good guy macho man's
Speaker: gone crazy like no that's that's ridiculous Logan's a jerk but it was the characters it was something that hey you could you can put something on and just entertain people and yeah it was just yeah performance really that's that's what it comes down to it's the performance that I always enjoyed
Speaker: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker: And I think now, you know, what is it?
Speaker: 30, 40 years later, people have come around on the Hogan is a jerk sort of thing.
Speaker: And I'm not talking about the offscreen exploits.
Speaker: They're like, like looking back at it, it's like, oh, some of those things he did, but he was just so charismatic that, you know, everyone got caught up in it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Now let's fast forward a little bit there to, uh, you really got involved with events and performance and things like that from my understanding by, uh, joining and linking up with EPW Perth.
Speaker: Um, so you've, you've had a couple of guys as there and a couple of things that have happened through that.
Speaker: Tell me how you got into EPW Perth and what your role was on the screen for one of a better time.
Speaker: Oh, uh, I was the head referee or senior referee for EPW Giles O'Brien.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Originally, I got into EPW.
Speaker: So to rewind it back, myself, Callan and his partner, Donna, we would go to the EPW shows and we were there as fans.
Speaker: Funnily enough, the first show I ever saw, I remember as just tying into the whole performance thing, I remember hearing Rob Dugan, Club to Death, start playing for one of the wrestlers coming out.
Speaker: And I was sitting there and I'm thinking, right, this guy better be tall and dark looking or I'm out.
Speaker: Like you guys are just cosplayers.
Speaker: And Richter walks out six foot, long black hair, angry looking.
Speaker: And I was sitting in the crowd going,
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You know what you're doing.
Speaker: Excellent.
Speaker: So we just, we just became very, very interested as fans found out that they were having tryouts and it was just like, let's do it.
Speaker: Let's, let's go.
Speaker: We'll, we'll go.
Speaker: We went on separate training camps that they had.
Speaker: And this is back when there was the two day camps.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Funnily enough.
Speaker: I rocked up to the second day, could barely walk because the amount of, I wasn't in great shape, but like the amount of lunges and squats and everything, my quads were killing me.
Speaker: I still rocked up on the second day and Devlin Reeves saw me.
Speaker: He was so mad.
Speaker: And I was looking at him going, what have I done wrong?
Speaker: So he had put 50 bucks on the line to say, I wasn't going to turn up.
Speaker: So I occasionally remind him that yes, I have cost him money repeatedly.
Speaker: The, um,
Speaker: But we fast forward a couple of years and there was just an opportunity.
Speaker: One of the referees that they had was going to be going to the States.
Speaker: When he came back, he was...
Speaker: going to be coming back as a wrestler.
Speaker: He wasn't going to be a ref anymore.
Speaker: So they just had this spot and it was Dave who turned around and said, do you want to give it a go?
Speaker: I'm like, sure.
Speaker: Like, let's see how it would go.
Speaker: And I had my first match and it
Speaker: I think it was okay.
Speaker: I didn't screw anything up.
Speaker: And it just slowly but surely progressed from there.
Speaker: The shows were on.
Speaker: I was the referee.
Speaker: Get the black and white stripes on.
Speaker: Go from there.
Speaker: Just don't be shit.
Speaker: And yeah.
Speaker: Got a lot of opportunities over the years as a referee.
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: I don't think like many people who look at wrestling from the outside and even, you know, even some really, you know, I guess, hardcore fanaticals don't realize just how important that role of the referee is at any level of a professional wrestling event, whether it's your big WWE WrestleMania or the Elimination Chamber that's coming to Perth next year or your local promotions, because
Speaker: you know, they're really the conductor in there.
Speaker: So you've got your athletes, however many, two, four, whatever, who are, you know, going through the moves and whatnot.
Speaker: But that referee has an important role in conducting and sort of helping to control the match so that it gets to the outcomes, not only of those performers, but also what the show and the promoters are looking for.
Speaker: Tell us a little bit about what you're doing in there.
Speaker: Yeah, like the referee can make a match look crap.
Speaker: I've, like I've seen it just on, it doesn't matter the level.
Speaker: If you ever look at a referee and they're just kind of slouched in the corner because
Speaker: Like they know they know it's on I'm not going to be required to to do a three count or tell someone to get off the ropes or anything on that.
Speaker: If they're just like hanging in the corner like it's a casual Saturday night, that detracts the eye from a live performance and like from the post production.
Speaker: People are just like automatically drawn to that because it's like, well, hang on.
Speaker: If you look like you don't care about what these two wrestlers are doing or whatever, whatever's going on in the ring, if you look like you don't care, why should I care?
Speaker: I'm paying attention to you.
Speaker: The interesting part is the complete opposite is also true.
Speaker: If you have a referee who is too into it or too over the top,
Speaker: it cheapens whatever the wrestlers are trying to do as well.
Speaker: Like, it's a very fine line of...
Speaker: You're the referee.
Speaker: It's never about you, which is hilarious coming from me, considering there was segments or parts of matches, even the fact I had a match.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Where, yeah, it was kind of about me.
Speaker: I never went into a wrestling ring as the ref to make it about me.
Speaker: I was there to make sure that my responses were tied into whatever the wrestlers were doing.
Speaker: So if someone gets chopped in the corner and it sounds brutal, I'm wincing because it's like, I don't want to do that.
Speaker: Never faked it.
Speaker: I had a lot more grimacing on the face or something like that.
Speaker: Never went over the top.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: Yeah, I knew my role is probably the way I would say it.
Speaker: And that really did lead to all the different opportunities.
Speaker: Because I've worked with, obviously, the guys in WA.
Speaker: I've worked with guys over East.
Speaker: Had the opportunity to go up and ref at what was called Pro Wrestling Darwin a couple of years ago on their first show.
Speaker: International tours when they came through.
Speaker: like refed international stars which was great so and i don't think there was a single match type that i didn't actually ref for so when it when it came to hang up the stripes it was literally a day of well i've kind of done it all uh there's nothing really else for me to do let's let's move it on and see where we go from there
Speaker: Yeah, big time.
Speaker: And you obviously were a huge part of the show and I guess the folklore of EPW and professional wrestling throughout the state as well.
Speaker: And to your point, the referee just gives that legitimacy to the contest because we were speaking about it the other week on the show and you've got to have that suspension of disbelief.
Speaker: And I think the referee plays a huge part in that because they're the ones who are there treating it as a legitimate, genuine athletic contest.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: Before we transition into the huge part of what we're here to talk about today, what was your favorite moment during that, I guess, performance part of your career, as it were, in EPW?
Speaker: If you can narrow it down, because there's a lot of cool stuff you did.
Speaker: Oh, look, the very, very obvious one is having a match with David Storm.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Followed very quickly by a bit of a tongue-in-cheek thing of every time I refed Marcus Pitt and Davis Storm, the two of them kicked my ass.
Speaker: Every match.
Speaker: And it was because I was editing the shows.
Speaker: I'd never noticed it.
Speaker: Went back and then it was prior to what's going up to Pro Wrestling Darwin.
Speaker: And I messaged the two of them and said, do you realize every time we do a match, one or both of you find a way to take me out?
Speaker: Like every time.
Speaker: So when we get up to Pro Wrestling Darwin,
Speaker: I was going to be reffing their match and they've turned around.
Speaker: It's like, cool.
Speaker: So what we're going to do is you're going to be sandwiched in the corner and I'm going to charge in and Dave's going to move.
Speaker: So I'll take you out.
Speaker: And then Dave's going to charge you to take me out, but I'm going to move.
Speaker: And then you're just taken out for like 15 minutes because we need to work the outside of the ring.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And a part of me was just like, you're doing that.
Speaker: If I had not said anything to you, this probably, probably wouldn't happen.
Speaker: It has led to multiple happy birthday gifts to the pair of them.
Speaker: Because I found the footage.
Speaker: But no, besides that, the match with Dave is obviously a clear winner.
Speaker: Because we worked ourselves into...
Speaker: doing the match and I'm going to put a proviso on it was a hundred percent his idea um it was not my idea at all it just happened that the show there was a show that happened he lost the match couldn't win the title or didn't win the title and there was footage where I was handing the title to Logan Gray who had won
Speaker: And Dave was reaching out from the ground, trying to grab the title like that.
Speaker: No, it's mine.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And the footage shows me looking at the title, looking at his hand and pushing his hand away and then giving the belt.
Speaker: It was a nothing thing.
Speaker: The next day we were out.
Speaker: Dave's turned around to me and gone.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: I've got an idea.
Speaker: So what?
Speaker: I don't know how we're going to work it, but we're going to have a match.
Speaker: And I was like, cool, Dave.
Speaker: That's a horrible idea.
Speaker: But you know what?
Speaker: We'll do it.
Speaker: So he came up with the storyline and it even led to him doing a promo in the middle of the ring, calling me out.
Speaker: And I remember standing there going, I 100% agree with everything he's saying, but I'm supposed to argue with him.
Speaker: But he's making a really good case of how I'm a bad person.
Speaker: But yeah, it had the match.
Speaker: I didn't win.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: Yeah, shock.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I think one of the biggest laughs that we had of I've come out to the ring.
Speaker: And you probably won't see it because I was editing the show, but suddenly from the drinking section, all these black and white streamers came flying into the ring and Dave started laughing his ass off.
Speaker: So I didn't, it wasn't planned by me, but it was just, it was just a great little thing added on to my eventual return as a ref at reawakening that year where Dave was,
Speaker: continued his hatred of referees had managed to take out all the other ones.
Speaker: Then I've walked out and he just had the look like he's seen a ghost right before he got pinned.
Speaker: So that was probably a definite highlight.
Speaker: And when you try and explain it to anyone else, they kind of look at you and go, wait, what?
Speaker: Yeah, his idea.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, I mean, he's got such a great mind for professional wrestling moments and definitely want to hit him up to have a chat in the future.
Speaker: There's so many things we could pick his brain about, but that was a really well done story and moment.
Speaker: And we were speaking before, before we started recording, but just how important telling a good story is because then the crowd gets invested and whatnot.
Speaker: So it was a really cool moment that you had earned through that storytelling, but yeah,
Speaker: We'd love to wax lyrical about the world of pro wrestling from the inside of the squared circle, but that would be a podcast that would probably be a 10 hour thing.
Speaker: And we might lose friends over that.
Speaker: Let's star wipe here.
Speaker: Let's, let's move to editing the shows.
Speaker: So how did you get your start in editing in general?
Speaker: Was that through EPW or was that something you dabbled in beforehand?
Speaker: Tell us how you got an interest in, and you start there in editing work together.
Speaker: Well, funnily enough, I'd actually, I went to university, like after high school, during high school was always very interested in performing arts.
Speaker: So I was, I was the one who would be, as soon as there was like a high school play, I was off to the high school play.
Speaker: And then when it was, hey, what do you want to do with the rest of your life?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Hey, look at this film and video.
Speaker: We'll go with that.
Speaker: So I actually went to uni, got my bachelor in communications, which had a major in film and video.
Speaker: And it was in there that I actually discovered, hey, I really enjoy editing of just like putting things together.
Speaker: You give me the footage and let's see what story I can make of that.
Speaker: There's stories from the various student films that we did, which we can talk about later.
Speaker: But no, once I had the course was finished, I had my diploma.
Speaker: It was all great.
Speaker: And that was it.
Speaker: Because back then, if you wanted to work in film or videography, you had to move Eastern states.
Speaker: There was no opportunities in Perth.
Speaker: Just because the industry hadn't built up in any way, shape or form.
Speaker: It's why like when you'd watch Neighbours back in the day, any actors that were leaving, their families were moving to Perth.
Speaker: It was just seen as that you were drowning or you were moving to Perth.
Speaker: Those were the two things.
Speaker: So I just had it like, cool, what am I going to do?
Speaker: I'll just keep working.
Speaker: I was working in hospitality at nightclubs.
Speaker: So I just figured, cool, I'll keep doing that.
Speaker: And this nice little certificate can just sit on the shelf.
Speaker: I think I've got it somewhere.
Speaker: I haven't seen it for a couple of years.
Speaker: An expensive piece of paper to lose.
Speaker: Very much so.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: like I still had the interest in putting things together so I was I was one of those people who when you'd have the anime shows to set to Lincoln Park I was the type of person who was doing that I don't think I was very good at it because I didn't understand the different animes but I really enjoyed what was going on so I would just dabble from there and
Speaker: Funnily enough, like as I was, which segues back into the wrestling, I had it that Jamie was the editor for EPW at the time and needed some help.
Speaker: And of course, hey, I know how to edit.
Speaker: So it slowly started of working with him on the event recaps.
Speaker: So I would edit it together, send it through to him,
Speaker: He'd look at it and go, change this, this, this.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: Bring it back, go from there.
Speaker: And then that just slowly evolved of, okay, well, if you're doing event recaps, you're going to start doing the promo videos.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Getting the guys filming them.
Speaker: For those who may not be aware, so what's involved with the promo video for those who might not be in the world of wrestling as a fan?
Speaker: The good ones don't involve the wrestlers.
Speaker: So, no, look, promo videos will be basically, you could dumb it down very simply to, I'm wrestler A and I don't like you, wrestler B. We're going to have a fight on Saturday and you can buy tickets here and go to the links here to check out all the other things that are going on.
Speaker: Please come to our show.
Speaker: I very much of having wrestlers and wrestlers cutting promos can be really, really smooth and very fast or like pulling teeth.
Speaker: And it can just be a case of if they're not confident in being able to get across their message or it just feels very fake to them.
Speaker: It's like, cool, you filmed this.
Speaker: And it sounds like the example I just gave of wrestler A, wrestler B. Can you at least pretend that you care about this?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it's a weird thing.
Speaker: It's a weird thing.
Speaker: Like professional wrestlers, even, you know, at the lower levels, because, you know, everyone has a start somewhere there.
Speaker: So you work your way up for the most part, unless you're, you know, a YouTube celebrity or, you know, former this or former that.
Speaker: But
Speaker: um everyone else starts from somewhere works their way up and the interesting thing about wrestlers in general is like there'll be some that you look at them perform on the show and you just go that is one of the most incredible athletes i've ever seen and then you put a camera in their face and say tell me why you did what you just did and they're like i don't know like like they just turned into you know someone from the the star wars you know prequels just like so wouldn't don't know what to do with themselves so um
Speaker: Yeah, it's a weird thing to try and coax out of some pro wrestlers because a lot of them aren't trained actors or, you know, get into that sort of character.
Speaker: Which is crazy when you see these guys and girls coming out in all sorts of ring attire or they put so much thought into their presentation and what's going to go on in their match and what they're going to do after and the reactions from there.
Speaker: You would think that right in front of the camera, just do that.
Speaker: And suddenly they're standing there looking like a Magikarp.
Speaker: I don't know what to do.
Speaker: Just pretend it's a match.
Speaker: But no.
Speaker: So it was a case of the work that evolved from there.
Speaker: And then
Speaker: took on the responsibility of entrance videos for the wrestlers because the for EPW the production was evolving to the point where they were going to have a screen at every show.
Speaker: And so many of the wrestlers just there wasn't the necessity to have an entrance video.
Speaker: So that was where it's like, okay, cool.
Speaker: What song are you coming out to?
Speaker: Excellent.
Speaker: You're coming out to that one.
Speaker: And here's one key point.
Speaker: There is not a single wrestler who has a good ear for entrance music.
Speaker: Not one.
Speaker: They all suck.
Speaker: Even veterans, and I've name-dropped them enough, Davis Storm, the worst.
Speaker: His entrance has like 30 seconds of rain.
Speaker: on the screen because the intro is so long.
Speaker: He can get away with it, but my God, I sent him so much abuse because I made that entrance video.
Speaker: But yeah, it's just like, oh, I really like this song.
Speaker: Yes, you do.
Speaker: It's a great song, but you are missing all the components that would require it to be a good entrance song.
Speaker: Go back and come back to me later.
Speaker: Yeah, and that's a big part of the presentation.
Speaker: I think you mentioned it with the first show that you went to, that Club to Death song.
Speaker: And it's like that presentation of this big imposing figure that Richter was a character who's, as you say, over six foot tall, a giant, and he would just stalk his way to the ring.
Speaker: And it was just like the perfect combination of song and whatnot.
Speaker: And obviously back then they didn't have the videos.
Speaker: But to your point, that's why that song choice is really important when you're looking at doing the videos like you did.
Speaker: Yeah, it was the whole thing where, yeah.
Speaker: And probably one of the key points for it as well is whatever song you want, 20 seconds to 25 seconds is when you should be walking out onto the stage or the rampway or whatever it is.
Speaker: And that doesn't sound like a long time, but when you have 20 seconds of just a music track playing and nothing happening,
Speaker: it can feel like forever yeah so wrestlers who are looking at going oh yeah look this song this intro is like 43 seconds it'll be fine it it really won't and it will it will draw away from um your presentation because the wind will come out of the sails for the audience because it's just so long it's like oh yeah finally he's walking out good um
Speaker: Which in fairness, then ties into the actual presentation of the entrance video of making it interesting on the screen so their eyes are watching whatever that's doing before then being drawn to you walking out onto the stage or the entrance.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So yeah, it's all about the presentation.
Speaker: Yeah, big time.
Speaker: And as you say, it's just like it's just adding to it and building that anticipation for someone.
Speaker: And if it's like you and the roses, we went to that first show.
Speaker: You want to be introduced to what the character is if you've never seen it before.
Speaker: And that's where that video plays a big part.
Speaker: So you've been doing promo videos, we're doing entrance videos.
Speaker: And then how did that morph into, I guess, becoming the main man?
Speaker: Because I'm a psychopath.
Speaker: Well, that's true.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: But, but if someone's wanting to get into, you know, editing, you can't just say be a psychopath because then we've got lawsuits on our hands.
Speaker: Oh, look, it just, oh, I would turn around and say, don't, don't do it to yourself.
Speaker: All right, the end.
Speaker: Let's roll the credits right now.
Speaker: Yeah, cool.
Speaker: Thanks for a great chat.
Speaker: No, that's right.
Speaker: This week on Help Me to Help Me.
Speaker: Anyway, sorry.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Don't do it.
Speaker: So it was, and as much as I say that, it was a case that even as I'm thinking about how did it actually start happening, it comes right back to blaming David Storm.
Speaker: He is the bane of my existence.
Speaker: That is what I'm coming back to when it comes to wrestling.
Speaker: We had it of
Speaker: So it ties into we had the we had the the promo videos and the this back catalogue of all this footage and it was just sitting on hard drives.
Speaker: It wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And Dave had had reached out to Mikey J, who was working with MCW back in the day because they had the Vimeo channel that was on for there.
Speaker: It was just looking at it going, okay, is this a feasible thing?
Speaker: Like, could this be something we could do?
Speaker: So he wanted to find the ins and outs before posing it and saying, hey, what do you think?
Speaker: So...
Speaker: he messaged me and just was like, look, this is what I'm thinking.
Speaker: How about we edit the shows and then we can put them up online.
Speaker: So that way people such as yourself and Adam Perry or Dean Olson, the commentary tracks that no one ever hears because these shows were not going up anywhere.
Speaker: They have a home and we can go from there.
Speaker: And I was just like, yep, makes sense to me.
Speaker: And look, it was something that I was just like, okay, well, I've got all the footage.
Speaker: I'll start putting it together and we'll go from there.
Speaker: And that was really how it started of just getting...
Speaker: a lot more practice for myself of, okay, we're not talking about 30 to 45 second promo videos.
Speaker: We're talking long form editing of ensuring your audio feeds are all synced up.
Speaker: The video is all working.
Speaker: Commentary is all linked up, removing dead space to go from there.
Speaker: And it's an entirely different beast to something that would be just your quick, sharp,
Speaker: get the attention span going of anyone who's watching to, hey, you're sitting down with some popcorn or pizza and you're going to watch a wrestling show.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Very, very different.
Speaker: And then, of course, as I said, because I'm crazy.
Speaker: came up with the idea of, well, hang on, we're going with all these, the live events, and we've got like a year's worth of shows on there, but we have all these hard drives with like 10 years worth of events that no one's ever seen.
Speaker: We should put those up online as well.
Speaker: So, we originally launched the EPW from the vault with a competition.
Speaker: That was what really kicked it off of, you subscribe to this and we'll fly you to the reawakening of that year.
Speaker: Who are you?
Speaker: That was Dave's idea.
Speaker: He was just like, yeah, this would be like, you could go there.
Speaker: So they paid the airfare of someone who flew from, I believe it was Melbourne, came over from that year's reawakening.
Speaker: I think they were also starting to panic a bit because there was a large subscription base from England.
Speaker: Yes, yeah.
Speaker: So they were starting to stress of like, hang on,
Speaker: That's a lot more expensive than what we were thinking.
Speaker: It's like, well, you're the ones who ran the idea.
Speaker: I just like, but no, when they actually did, because it was a raffle draw, like pulled a receipt and it was someone from Melbourne.
Speaker: So I think there was much breathing start to occur from there.
Speaker: It was crazy.
Speaker: Just to quickly segue, like, because when I was looking after social media for EPW, it was shortly after you left, I was also sort of, you know, put Vimeo on my desk as well.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Probably just asked you all the questions anyway.
Speaker: But it was interesting to see...
Speaker: that viewership, where it came from.
Speaker: And you said there was a huge, you know, European contingent.
Speaker: There was even American contingent of people who just love pro wrestling.
Speaker: I mean, you look at WWE when they, I think it was 2014 off the top of my head.
Speaker: It might've been 13, sorry, where they had their WWE network.
Speaker: And you see that thirst and that appetite for pro wrestling fans to watch the most obscure stuff,
Speaker: And you're right.
Speaker: Like, and that's why going back to, you know, the importance of the video editor and things like that, how much of a marketing tool and how much reach you can get, not just with pro wrestling, but whatever your event is.
Speaker: So yeah, that's crazy to think that that competition existed.
Speaker: I hope you gave them the full Vimeo list of viewers before you did that.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: We had, it was the whole thing.
Speaker: I think that was probably what was stressing them a bit more because you had to, for the time, you had to have the subscription.
Speaker: Like it had to be active.
Speaker: You couldn't just buy it and then not maintain it.
Speaker: So, and then we, we, we drew it out in the beginning of October because reawakening for that year was going to be early November.
Speaker: And it was just this long list of people.
Speaker: And it was just like, right, quickly jump on the internet and just get it to generate a number.
Speaker: Bam.
Speaker: Who was that?
Speaker: This person.
Speaker: And I remember looking at it and going, okay, so the line above was someone from England.
Speaker: The two lines below were both America.
Speaker: And then there was like four lines that were all Australian.
Speaker: Like one was like down the road from where we're going.
Speaker: That would have just been really freaking awkward if they weren't from, like if they had been like in Karratha, that's okay.
Speaker: Like we'll fly you down for that.
Speaker: But it's like, hey, you're in Wannaroo.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: We'll send you a taxi.
Speaker: That's what we'll do.
Speaker: I could have spruced out for a helicopter or something, done the old Ric Flair landing.
Speaker: Might as well fly them from England for that cause.
Speaker: Well, that's a good point, actually.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But it is, it's like, as you say, it's, I think it's one of the big things as well for like post-production side of it.
Speaker: These are all live performances and everything that works for the live performance is,
Speaker: That's all well and good.
Speaker: Once that show's ended, that's when the focus of the live performance stops.
Speaker: You're now in a whole other realm of that post-production.
Speaker: This is where people such as yourself and Adam
Speaker: and all the other commentators, Brad and Luke, who also did commentary for the wrestling, are key components to that post-production presentation because you're not relying on the crowd as much to tell or help react to the story.
Speaker: You're relying on the commentators to tell people who it might be the first time that they're actually watching it on the video or the YouTube or wherever it's playing.
Speaker: why they should care.
Speaker: So it's a whole other beast.
Speaker: Yeah, and I won't big up myself, but the commentators in general, and we touch on this on the episode we did a few weeks back with Adam, commentary is so important to add to that final piece of the production as well.
Speaker: And as you say, tell that story, whether it is of a character or what the issue is and things like that, basically giving people the stakes and why they should care about what they're watching.
Speaker: But this is about you, so we're going to go back
Speaker: to, you know, that pro wrestling sort of show, editing it together, what's it like?
Speaker: I mean, what's the most challenging parts of it?
Speaker: What are your key things you're looking for?
Speaker: How annoying is it when you have to edit out Adam and myself just making fun of you, knowing that you're the one listening to the live audio track between matches?
Speaker: What's it like?
Speaker: What's that process look like for, I guess, the nitty gritty of someone who has that keen interest there in the editing side of things?
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Oh, look, the good thing is U2 always limited it to just before the bell rang.
Speaker: So I knew I could just like cut it out.
Speaker: I'll send you a message later.
Speaker: No, it's, it's funny enough.
Speaker: It's, it comes down a lot to communication.
Speaker: Like I would be, so I'd be editing the show and at the time there was always, there's always the, for EPW, they would have the two ring cams plus the hard cam.
Speaker: And I am very set in my ways.
Speaker: There's things that I like to do and there's things that I don't like to do.
Speaker: And I have reasons of why I don't like it.
Speaker: That's for me.
Speaker: That is just a me preference.
Speaker: If you like that,
Speaker: knock yourself out, go do that.
Speaker: For me, no.
Speaker: You touch the zoom and I'll break your fingers.
Speaker: That's not an idle thread either, guys.
Speaker: I've heard that quote many times from Giles walking around ringside with people who've never held the camera before.
Speaker: And that was the thing.
Speaker: Besides idly threatening the people who are going to be working with the cameras, it was giving them a run through of, okay, break up the ring.
Speaker: You're going to be filming on this side.
Speaker: He's going to be filming that side.
Speaker: Break up the ring to go from there.
Speaker: Film from this angle to do this.
Speaker: Touch the zoom.
Speaker: lose the finger, uh, angling different, different positioning.
Speaker: And it sounds like a lot, like if you were just holding the camera for the first time, it sounds like a lot, but when it gets, when I get the footage or when I would get the footage, there are certain angles that I'm looking for.
Speaker: I want to be able to highlight, uh, larger impacts.
Speaker: Uh, I need you to be in position and making sure everything's framed.
Speaker: No one cares about the soles of someone's boots if you've cut their head off.
Speaker: That just automatically means that shot's not used.
Speaker: WWE, just as an example, I can't watch their shows.
Speaker: It gives me motion sickness.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: I understand that the reason why they use the Zoom so much these days is because they are rated PG.
Speaker: So by hiding the impacts of the moves, it's diminishing the fact that these moves are hurting other people.
Speaker: Therefore, you're PG.
Speaker: Also, it's to hide the fact that Hulk Hogan can't move anymore.
Speaker: Is that genuinely the reason?
Speaker: The original reason for that was Hulk Hogan versus Shawn Michaels.
Speaker: Oh, that's an instant classic for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker: Oh, and it's horrible.
Speaker: But it was also because Shawn buried him afterwards.
Speaker: But it was the whole thing.
Speaker: Hogan, not a spring chicken.
Speaker: Older guy, had a couple of knee replacements, hip replacements.
Speaker: He couldn't physically move as fast as...
Speaker: Sean.
Speaker: So to hide that, they would use quick camera cuts and fast zoom ins to go from there.
Speaker: Unfortunately, they loved it so much that they've kept doing it.
Speaker: And I think the last WWE event that I watched was a couple of years ago in the pandemic.
Speaker: And
Speaker: Like I was genuinely getting motion sick because every five seconds zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out.
Speaker: It's disorientating.
Speaker: You watch a company like AEW and it's more of a, it's, it's similar to the style that I would film out of you're locked in with one camera and you're allowing what's happening to be seen.
Speaker: I think that's why they paint themselves a bit more as a wrestling company rather than the WWE which is sports entertainment
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: They're two different beasts, two different birds of a feather, as it were.
Speaker: And it's interesting because you're right, like that style that you talk about that you have the preference for, I think, and it goes back to, I guess, some of our other conversations as well.
Speaker: It just allows it to breathe a bit more.
Speaker: And, you know, as you say, you know, WWE might be trying to hide the impact, whereas that
Speaker: you see the impact, you can feel it, you can then look at the wrestler's face where they're feeling it and whatnot.
Speaker: So it's a different sort of style.
Speaker: But one thing you just mentioned there that I'd love to hear your thoughts on, you talked about how that was sort of a style that was created to hide those limitations of Hulk Hogan.
Speaker: I think that was back in 05 and even then wasn't a spring chicken at that stage.
Speaker: But what...
Speaker: what sort of your views or philosophies on trying to, you know, keep it clean and, and hide those things that might be lacking for a performer, because with all due respect, when you have wrestling at local levels, there's going to be performance who aren't necessarily what you see at WWE.
Speaker: So what's your sort of techniques or strategies or thoughts about trying to clean that up and make sure that it's still the best possible presentation for that company?
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: my perspective is you you protect the talent yeah if if it's a case that um like you want you're wanting people to invest in whoever it is so you want everything to look sharp and uh well yeah clean so perfect example um was there was a show i was editing
Speaker: a wrestler decided to do a standing moonsault.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And to this day, he might do it these days.
Speaker: I'm not sure.
Speaker: I had never seen him do this before, but it was a big event.
Speaker: So that was what he was going with.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: He completely missed.
Speaker: Like, so if you looked at it from just the one camera angle, you seem kind of go up.
Speaker: And Landon completely missed the person that he was aiming for.
Speaker: So that, if I had just run this one camera angle showing that, not even commentary could save it.
Speaker: And we sure didn't try.
Speaker: Oh, you would.
Speaker: He instantly looks bad.
Speaker: Like the balloon deflates.
Speaker: Because it's like, well, if you can't hit that, then why would anyone care?
Speaker: Because you've botched this.
Speaker: It wasn't a planned segment where someone's getting their knees up.
Speaker: So in the actual editing,
Speaker: It was okay, where's the camera?
Speaker: We're going, I was already in position with one camera, three quarters of the way up, changed the camera too.
Speaker: And camera two would show, or the secondary cam, would show just before the landing.
Speaker: But it looked tight enough that he might have got some of it.
Speaker: Didn't get all of it, but got some.
Speaker: I'm glad you said that, by the way.
Speaker: If you're ever watching a wrestling show and you hear the commentator say, didn't get all of it, that's their polite way of saying that.
Speaker: they messed up what they were trying to do.
Speaker: It's so transparent and unfortunately fell into that trap many times like potentially didn't get all of that and yeah okay no they missed.
Speaker: But it's that whole thing it's like it still it hides any mistakes across the board should be either hidden or
Speaker: You can edit a lot of them where a move doesn't fully land or a punch doesn't fully land.
Speaker: A quick cut.
Speaker: Cut to a different angle if you have it.
Speaker: That being said, you never cut straight back to the hard cam.
Speaker: It always has to be, or it should always be, to the other ring cam if that's in position.
Speaker: Because what you're trying to achieve is, oh, we're cutting to this angle because it might be better than what you were looking at.
Speaker: Whereas if you cut from a ring cam to the hard cam halfway through a move,
Speaker: it's a case of you're hiding, you're blatantly hiding something.
Speaker: And people who aren't editors will pick like the normal fan will pick it up because it's like, hang on, why are we coming back here?
Speaker: Like, yeah, what's going on?
Speaker: Um, so yeah, so just the timing of the cuts is probably a big one that I would do.
Speaker: I've been lucky with wrestling that they're,
Speaker: haven't been many occasions where the editing is hard to hide things or just make a match just completely disappear because it was that bad.
Speaker: There are a couple, I can count them on one hand, where if anyone asks, oh, where is this match?
Speaker: It never happened.
Speaker: No, no, it didn't happen or no, the tape cut out, anything like that.
Speaker: But yeah, no, unfortunately, or fortunately, you're honest to a fault about that.
Speaker: But you mentioned there as well, the hard cam, just generally speaking, and for those listening, the hard cam is your fixed camera where you haven't got someone, most of the time you haven't got someone moving around with it or trying to get like,
Speaker: the action shots or the tight closeups of the action.
Speaker: And then you usually have, as you mentioned before, a couple of cameras then roaming around the outside to get those, you know, those action shots and, you know, you see the, see the faces, you know, squirm after they've been hit by the big move.
Speaker: But just with your philosophy, when it comes to editing,
Speaker: Are you a less is more person in terms of the hard cam?
Speaker: Is that more so to reestablish or to let a moment breathe?
Speaker: Or what's the sort of your view of how liberally or unliberally you use that hard cam versus the mobile cameras?
Speaker: So hard cam, I would have, that's your base point.
Speaker: That's when you're returning to base.
Speaker: When a match starts, it'll start from the hard cam.
Speaker: If you have any sort of move sequence, and I hate calling them sequences.
Speaker: You've got something going in the ring.
Speaker: you should, in theory, be cutting to the ring cam because you want to get up close and personal and see it.
Speaker: When you've had, say, a double down or they've kicked out at a two count, and if there's no immediate reaction that needs to be filmed, you cut back to hard cam.
Speaker: And you just rinse and repeat from there.
Speaker: The hard cam is...
Speaker: And this is one of those things where it's my philosophy that hard cam is static.
Speaker: It's not zooming in.
Speaker: It's not zooming out.
Speaker: If you want to do all the moving hard cam stuff, put another camera next to it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because while they all look fantastic and yeah, you're super speccy and you're getting the impacts and all the rest, what are you missing?
Speaker: Because when, and it's also a pain as the editor where I have the hard cam framed,
Speaker: And now because it was zoomed in five seconds ago and they've zoomed it back out, but there's a 5% difference in the framing, it's thrown out.
Speaker: It's like, cool, I now have to go back to my original shot, zoom that in so it's all framed correctly.
Speaker: So do that with another camera.
Speaker: Don't touch the hard cam.
Speaker: Personal opinion.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense as well.
Speaker: I mean, I'm not really much of an editor myself, or, you know, maybe put together a couple of music videos to Mick Foley matches back in the day and, you know, played around with 3D Movie Maker when I was probably nine as well.
Speaker: But that's the extent.
Speaker: But what you're saying makes a lot of sense there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We've touched on it there just in your answers, but just before we move on to created by Giles and sort of how that's opened up so much more for you as well.
Speaker: Just a quick maybe dot point on each.
Speaker: What is the best thing or what you like most seeing out of an edit?
Speaker: And what do you hate seeing the most out of an edit?
Speaker: An edit?
Speaker: What I like the most is when it all comes together.
Speaker: And I mean, so just let's say in the nature of a promo video where, you know,
Speaker: the music matches the footage, the beat of the music, it's there, it builds.
Speaker: And it all just, it ties into the emotion that you're trying to get of, hey, here's this video where we're talking about XYZ, this is why you should care and care by attending this promotion or this event, or it's enough that
Speaker: what you see on the screen, visually and audio, it perks up your interest.
Speaker: So you look at it and go, sweet, I'm going to go buy a ticket to that.
Speaker: Not just wrestling, just everything in general.
Speaker: What I hate seeing in editing is that'll do attitude where you're
Speaker: Some are like you'll put you'll put something together and say, hey, the music doesn't really match what you're going for here.
Speaker: Oh, but I like that track.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, but it doesn't match like it takes away from what you're trying to sell here because it's an upbeat upbeat music and you're going very, very somber, something like that.
Speaker: But then it's a shrug of the shoulders.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, but it'll do.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: So that comes across.
Speaker: That comes across if you've got that attitude of that'll do.
Speaker: Well, you know, even though you might not expressly say it and whatever you've created, people who are watching can feel that.
Speaker: They can feel it's like, oh, okay, that's what they went with.
Speaker: It could have been a little bit more tightly tuned there or whatnot.
Speaker: But that feeling comes across.
Speaker: And don't get me wrong.
Speaker: Like, I'm not...
Speaker: the be all and end all of videos of everything is the way or everything I do it should be the way you do it.
Speaker: But I, if I ever get to a point where I'm working on a video and I, in the back of my head, I go, oh, that'll do.
Speaker: It's like, nope, put it down, close the file, go make yourself a coffee or go to the gym, something like that, walk away from it because
Speaker: that's going to come across, even if it's like only like three to four seconds, it'll come across and I will watch it back and go, I really hate that.
Speaker: And especially for people who are paying money, you should want to give them the best possible product.
Speaker: So under promise and over deliver rather than just that'll do because that's what they remember as well as clients.
Speaker: Yeah, 100%.
Speaker: And I think that's a really good advice for not only editing, but anyone who's involved in that sort of creative sphere or even training for an athlete as well.
Speaker: If you get to that point where it's like, that'll do, take a break, take that step away.
Speaker: Even in the corporate world, it's something that I believe in my nine to five is like, if you're feeling those like, okay, now I'm just ticking boxes or whatnot,
Speaker: all right, you're not giving it your best.
Speaker: Take a step, walk away, work on a puzzle, as it were, as our workplace has, and just disconnect from it for a moment.
Speaker: 100%.
Speaker: Yeah, no, absolutely agree with that.
Speaker: Now, because of your, I guess, your diligence to your effort and your abilities, you were able to make the leap in terms of...
Speaker: going and making your own company as it were in terms of created by Giles where not only you're doing editing, you're doing the filming and doing a whole bunch of other stuff now outside of that professional wrestling world.
Speaker: So tell us a little bit about created by Giles and, and what brought you to that moment going, okay, I'm going to take what I've learned here with my uni through my time there in EPW and I'm going to have a, a make a fist of this.
Speaker: Spite.
Speaker: I know you're absolutely right with that, but you still got me.
Speaker: You still got me, Giles.
Speaker: Oh, no.
Speaker: So, no, like, funnily enough, the little story on it, obviously I was doing all the editing for EPW, and leading up to, or like, especially during 2019, I was segwaying out.
Speaker: I was doing...
Speaker: little bits and pieces here and there for showreels and because I would get like occasionally musicians or people who are trying to get into acting needing a showreel put together.
Speaker: So I was putting it all together.
Speaker: And then two things happened.
Speaker: One was a wrestler had gone off, got another video or got a video made by someone else.
Speaker: Which 100% fine, like not crapping on it.
Speaker: It was a very nice video.
Speaker: And the wrestler flippantly turned around and went, oh, well, look, when you're as good as him, you'll be able to charge so much more.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I know that your brain has not met your mouth.
Speaker: Ha.
Speaker: And you don't mean it the way you said it, but you said it.
Speaker: So that was probably one thing that irked me.
Speaker: But then what was beginning to happen was someone completely out of field started advertising how they were going to be doing showreels for, in particular, WAPA students.
Speaker: And it's just like, I can make this, and this is how much money I'm charging, and this is what you'll get.
Speaker: And I looked at, like, I was seeing, like, the examples that they were putting up.
Speaker: And in my head, I was looking going, that sucks.
Speaker: And you should not be charging people that much for that.
Speaker: Like, that actually bothers me because other people or someone's going to pay that, get that.
Speaker: And you're inadvertently hurting other videographers who could be so much better.
Speaker: So it happened that I was over at the Rose's house one afternoon and surprise, surprise, I was procrastinating about these two segments.
Speaker: And Donna, who loves me dearly apparently and has known me for years, she got the point where it's like, Giles, shut the F up.
Speaker: or do something about it.
Speaker: And I was just like, well, what do you mean?
Speaker: It's just like, you say you should be earning this and you could be doing this and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker: put up or shut up.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm like, okay, you've obviously listened to me complain enough about this.
Speaker: And you've broken the nicest human being in the universe.
Speaker: You feel like the Rose is Donna and CJ Rose, who does some really great announcing work around, around the state as well with wrestling and, and mixed martial arts and boxing and all that sort of thing.
Speaker: But Donna Rose, one of the best human beings on the planet and you broke her Giles.
Speaker: Oh, she, she, she actually, and if you've ever had the conversation where she's had to pull the wind out of sails, she always starts it with, I love you, hon.
Speaker: And as soon as I got that, I'm like, oh yeah, I got done, messed up because she's, she's listened to me and she's had enough of my procrastination.
Speaker: So, and you've known me for a fair number of years, you know, I can be a bear with a sore tooth when there's something that annoys me.
Speaker: I'm not going to let it go until I do something about it.
Speaker: Well, we had to hit record on this so that we didn't go down that far.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Let's just record so we don't go down, you know, in segue because we're both, as I said, about 20 times in the interview with Brett last week is we're very time poor people.
Speaker: So, yeah, sorry.
Speaker: Go ahead.
Speaker: So Donna's put you in your place.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So just as a segue to this, we've talked about it off air.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I listened to that podcast and you did not have him talk about coffee and breakfast.
Speaker: I've listened to that guy talk about coffee and breakfast and he was repeating himself for four hours.
Speaker: It's like a lava lamp.
Speaker: It's hypnotic.
Speaker: and it's amazing every time he made me feel bad for drinking black whites but i know not to talk coffee with brett because one time i made the mistake of saying you know i don't mind 7-eleven coffee and i don't think he spoke to me for like a year you broke him yeah i broke him yeah he became like you broke donna i broke it yeah see segues um so that that was it like this is
Speaker: And she said that to me and I was like, well, I'm going to have to do something about it or I'm never going to be able to talk about this sort of thing again.
Speaker: And so January 2020, I thought perfect time to launch it because Fringe Festival
Speaker: is kicking off.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And I knew I knew a couple of performers who as soon as they heard that I was going to be always offering my services to film and edit their shows straight in.
Speaker: So I thought I was off to a great start.
Speaker: Actually got
Speaker: I was able to do a white knight impersonation for a WA company called Connecticut because the third videographer that they had booked to film their show had bailed.
Speaker: And they were literally going, we need somebody.
Speaker: Is anyone available?
Speaker: Now, Connecticut is a circus-based company.
Speaker: And that was what their show was.
Speaker: So I got recommended to them.
Speaker: And I was asking, what do you do?
Speaker: It's like, oh, aerials and all these other activities.
Speaker: And I was just like, this is like a wrestling show.
Speaker: Yeah, I can do this.
Speaker: Not a problem at all.
Speaker: And the good thing is they've continued, they're a returning customer for me.
Speaker: So, and I thoroughly enjoy filming their shows as a blatant name drop.
Speaker: Well, you've got some great clips of theirs on your socials as well, which we'll plug at the end, but some of the stuff they do is remarkable.
Speaker: It's just like, can't recommend highly enough to follow along with those shows.
Speaker: It's just 100%.
Speaker: How human beings are able to do that, I do not know.
Speaker: at a height or just very bendy or just like from random costumes that they have it's they always bring like top notch so anytime I get the message going hey we've got a show on it's like yep I'm there I'll film it I'll see you later but January 2020 got a couple of fringe shows going that was great
Speaker: I was editing the EPW show, so it's like, this is great!
Speaker: Nothing could possibly stop the train from rolling here.
Speaker: except a global pandemic.
Speaker: That'll do it.
Speaker: Yeah, that'll derail you a bit.
Speaker: And also, like, on a personal thing, had a doctor's appointment as well, and he had turned around and went, oh, yeah, by the way, you've got a soft tissue sarcoma, so we're going to be lopping off the top half of your foot.
Speaker: So that's going to be a couple of months where you're not going to be walking around.
Speaker: That's kind of...
Speaker: really crimping on being able to film live performances.
Speaker: So 2020 was a bit rough, but the good part of it was that
Speaker: It gave me the time to reinvest in myself of, okay, what have we got?
Speaker: Let's change the equipment.
Speaker: Let's upgrade the equipment to go with this.
Speaker: Hey, there's a bit more with the, there's changes in after effects.
Speaker: So let's jump online.
Speaker: Let's do a bit more study on doing that.
Speaker: At the same time as well, like I had stopped doing the EPW event edits.
Speaker: So, which was very convenient because obviously no one could put a show on.
Speaker: So it was more, I would still, I was doing promo videos and entrance videos.
Speaker: So it was a lot more time to sit back, reinvest in myself,
Speaker: work out different things and different strategies and how to promote.
Speaker: So then when we got to the beginning of 2021, Fringe was kicking off again.
Speaker: Perth was actually able to do Fringe.
Speaker: And there was just the influx of more people going, hey, we'd like our show recorded.
Speaker: Sure, not a problem.
Speaker: And then just building that reputation from there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that was the thing.
Speaker: So you really launched into it.
Speaker: And, you know, with that enforced pause got you to really dig deep into, okay, how can I make this better?
Speaker: Or how can I present myself for better to do more?
Speaker: So what sort of stuff do you do now with created by Giles, like in terms of what's the services I guess you offer and some highlights of what you've done so far in that the last couple of years?
Speaker: Well, one of the major things that I do is I don't do my own social media.
Speaker: Yes, that's smart.
Speaker: I am horrible at self-promotion.
Speaker: So that was one of the things that I looked into.
Speaker: I've got someone who is very good at putting posts together.
Speaker: So I'll make the videos.
Speaker: I'll do all the work.
Speaker: And I get her to do the pro.
Speaker: It's like...
Speaker: make me sound good and get clients.
Speaker: That's your job.
Speaker: So from there, these days I'm doing still obviously promotional videos for a lot of different groups.
Speaker: Connecticut, so circus, obviously wrestling still to a degree.
Speaker: Same with the entrance videos.
Speaker: I'm filming.
Speaker: If you name a live performance, I'm probably filming it, which is great.
Speaker: I've had the opportunity to do stand-up comedy, burlesque, charity events, acrobats, traditional circus, Muay Thai and boxing as well.
Speaker: So back to the fact that this is a sports podcast.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: Thank you for bringing that back.
Speaker: You're welcome.
Speaker: You're welcome.
Speaker: Just being able to really bring something to it and just promote it because that's probably the big thing as well.
Speaker: Being able to bring awareness for people.
Speaker: everybody that, hey, these sort of shows are actually occurring.
Speaker: And I think that's something that we're all still catching up to with a degree of the power of not just social media, but video media as a whole, that people have the attention span of about 15 seconds.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They're not going to read a post more often than not, unless they're intrigued enough, in which case they probably already bought tickets to your event.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But if you've got a video that within 15 seconds can catch their eye, you're more likely to get someone to go, Hey, you know what?
Speaker: I want to watch the rest of this video, which where the link to buy tickets is at the end, or maybe just at the bottom of it's a real for Instagram.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, 100%.
Speaker: And we'll speak about that a lot in terms of the power of that, you know, that marketing, catch your attention and then have that direct link to, okay, I can purchase now.
Speaker: And that's why it's important to have your most visually or impressively striking stuff there available in that video format.
Speaker: Because, you know, endless hours now are just killed in a day by scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.
Speaker: If you can actually get someone to stop scrolling, then you've won half the battle already.
Speaker: With yourself being, I guess, your own boss, for want of a better term, in this endeavour, I mean, you've still got a nine to five as to most of us who do things in the sports or events industry.
Speaker: But what do you find the biggest challenges are in being sort of a freelance company like created by Giles in terms of, you know, looking for work and getting your name out there?
Speaker: Well, the self-promotion, that's a huge thing.
Speaker: And that was why I was like, look, I know that I'm not very good at it.
Speaker: I am a very point A to point B sort of person.
Speaker: I don't do fluff very well.
Speaker: So I need someone who can do the fluff quite well.
Speaker: Do that.
Speaker: And I also, if it's not apparent by now, have a very dry sense of humor.
Speaker: So it doesn't really translate quite well until I've met the clients to go from there.
Speaker: The other big thing, especially for a freelancer, is knowing your worth.
Speaker: And even when I was starting out or not just in 2020, but
Speaker: Even today, I'll get people who will reach out going, hey, we want to book you for this.
Speaker: This is what we want.
Speaker: And we are happy to pay you in exposure.
Speaker: I am happy to recommend you to someone else.
Speaker: And once again, personal opinions.
Speaker: of these sort of things.
Speaker: I don't work for exposure.
Speaker: The reason being can be summed up very, very simple of Eric, you've hired me.
Speaker: You're my target audience, not your target audience.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Your target audience is completely different.
Speaker: So I'm targeting you, not your audience.
Speaker: So the exposure is not going to happen.
Speaker: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker: To equate to money to me.
Speaker: And it's also a case of
Speaker: while I'll work for you for exposure on this project, you are never actually going to pay me appropriately on the next project because you've already got me to do it for free.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: For exposure.
Speaker: So here's the thing.
Speaker: There are ways to work around that.
Speaker: in a great example of it is is some of the promo videos that i do uh for various various groups the footage i filmed is uh then utilized obviously with all permissions from the respective clients there are people who have turned around like hey can you please not use our footage for anything 100 fine you've made me for a gig that's good others like we're more than happy for you to do it sweet
Speaker: That's the exposure.
Speaker: That's what I utilize as exposure.
Speaker: So it's like your own showreel.
Speaker: Like you've made showreels for other people.
Speaker: But if you want to promote and exhibit what you do as a videographer and an editor, that's your showreel.
Speaker: And that's where they can have that mutually beneficial relationship there with a job.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: And that's the thing.
Speaker: There will be people where they will go, oh, that's a bit too pricey for what we want.
Speaker: Not a problem.
Speaker: I will recommend to other videographers or other photographers that I know.
Speaker: who might be willing to do it or have a different price structure or something like that.
Speaker: Like I pass it on.
Speaker: I just don't flat out say, no, go away.
Speaker: It's me.
Speaker: Hey, listen, unfortunately I might not be the right videographer for you.
Speaker: However, speak to this company.
Speaker: They might have some availability or willingness to do this or
Speaker: it might be something more up their alley of the type of work.
Speaker: The big thing, I don't really do photography.
Speaker: I like video.
Speaker: However, I have worked with some phenomenal photographers around the time.
Speaker: And especially when we're at a performance, they get the very relaxed but firm hand on the shoulder going, you're getting a great shot from down there.
Speaker: Stay there because I'm behind you filming and I don't need your head appearing in my shot.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think they've gotten used to that as well, but yeah, that's, that's probably the biggest challenges for as a freelancer.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Big time.
Speaker: And that knowing your worth is so important.
Speaker: And, you know, I've engaged with you to do some work and I think, you know, you're reasonably priced, you know, necessarily, you know, you're cheap or you're free, but you're not, you know, you know, that I have to pay you, but yeah,
Speaker: But it is important because then I guess what you've got to weigh up as a client is that what do you want this to say about you?
Speaker: And I think you mentioned before, it's like, oh, yeah, that's good enough.
Speaker: That'll do.
Speaker: And that's the difference between saying, hey, I have to pay created by Giles XYZ or I can get
Speaker: Joe blow down the road there to do it.
Speaker: He'll do it for free.
Speaker: He'll do it for exposure.
Speaker: He'll do it just because he really wants to help out, which is great.
Speaker: Good attitude to have in that one.
Speaker: But the quality difference is going to be that decision you have to make as a client.
Speaker: And not that this is an infomercial for created by Giles, but I think that's a really, really good point that you make there.
Speaker: Cause you've got to weigh that up when you're looking to, to find the right fit for you from a videographer and editor, what, what may be.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: What do you think the biggest challenge or difficulty is with what you do in terms of the actual, I was going to say game day, but event day capturing of the footage?
Speaker: So actually going a little bit more granular to what you're doing there on show day.
Speaker: Stressing constantly about the equipment.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'll,
Speaker: I will, I always get there at least 30 odd minutes before doors open, set up.
Speaker: I'm double checking the cameras, making sure the white balancing is all set.
Speaker: And then I'm walking away and I'm walking back to that camera and checking it just one more time just to be, yeah, no battery's still going.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, cool.
Speaker: Maybe just one more check.
Speaker: It's just that paranoia.
Speaker: But in between all of that, it's also touching base with the production desk.
Speaker: In particular, the lighting guy.
Speaker: If you're a videographer, make friends with the lighting guy.
Speaker: Because that person can ruin your day inadvertently.
Speaker: Where...
Speaker: You go in and say, oh, yeah, cool.
Speaker: Here's this stage set up.
Speaker: Yeah, not a problem at all.
Speaker: Suddenly, strobe effects and nothing but white light.
Speaker: And it's like, OK, great.
Speaker: So everything is overexposed, and I have white blobs where the performers are.
Speaker: Really probably should have just spoken to the lighting person and find out what sort of setups are they running there.
Speaker: So, um, that's also the, like, that's all before the show.
Speaker: Um, plus it's the whole thing as well of like, you're just, you're also making those relationships up.
Speaker: If you rock up to another venue and it's the same lighting person, they already know you.
Speaker: And it's, Oh, Hey, how are you doing?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: Having a great day.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: How's this show going?
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Sweet.
Speaker: Is there anything that I might need to know, uh,
Speaker: In regards positioning or anything along those lines.
Speaker: That's the same thing.
Speaker: As soon as I rock up, I know who my client is.
Speaker: So I'm reaching out to them and asking, is there anything that I need to know?
Speaker: And this ties right back to the history of when I was a referee.
Speaker: Going up to the talent and going, is there anything I need to know for what we're about to do?
Speaker: So that way I know, hey, you're going up to the third floor and spinning around on some silks and then letting go and dropping.
Speaker: And you're going to catch yourself with your feet and it's going to look amazing.
Speaker: I know my camera needs to be able to go.
Speaker: down with the drop.
Speaker: Or, yeah, hard cam's not gonna be able to catch that because it's gonna be focused on the stage and you're doing it over there.
Speaker: So it's, yeah, just as a spatial awareness is probably the big thing as well.
Speaker: Figuring out, right, where am I going to be positioned?
Speaker: And that's a thing that I do where it's a personal preference as a different thing.
Speaker: I will generally not take a front row seat up as the videographer to film your performance.
Speaker: That seat belongs to a paying customer.
Speaker: So get them in there.
Speaker: I will figure it out.
Speaker: I've got my hard cam, so I have the performance focused.
Speaker: Am I roaming?
Speaker: I will be walking around the backs of the audience and making sure I'm getting a different angled shot.
Speaker: Because the one thing that you don't want is someone's paid $70, $80 to see this show.
Speaker: They don't need to see my backside in jeans for 15 minutes.
Speaker: I'd pay $70 for that.
Speaker: All those squats are paying off.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: So if you've ever seen me filming...
Speaker: That's probably a bad thing, but more likely you've seen me because I'm crouched down and my knees are killing me because I'm getting this great shot from here.
Speaker: I try to avoid blocking anyone's line of sight whilst also making sure I get that shot.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's such an important thing there.
Speaker: And it's probably just a common decency thing as well rather than just the technical aspects behind it.
Speaker: But you're absolutely right.
Speaker: Sometimes I think some videographers or photographers can forget that whilst it is so important to create that really good vision and capture those moments for future use, your main client is
Speaker: is the people who are in the building.
Speaker: And that's the same for, you know, a company that, that hires you and says, we want this really awesome footage because the reason they want this really awesome footage is to attract more people through the door the next time around, rather than just only have that, that online keepsake of it as well.
Speaker: So it's a really important thing that you mentioned there for the people in attendance and your role there.
Speaker: So, um,
Speaker: Just want to talk about you do such a wide range of things now, starting from humble pro wrestling to now you mentioned the acrobats, the burlesque, the comedy.
Speaker: I know you do a lot of work with Luke Boland, who's an absolute gem of a comedian who we both know.
Speaker: But what...
Speaker: do you find the differences are is there something technically that you approach differently when it comes to the different show types and genres that you do do you have different principles for each or is it a gut feel talk us through that process of what you would look at doing a say a pro wrestling versus acrobats versus a comedy show
Speaker: Surprisingly, there's not much difference between a pro wrestling show and a circus or acrobats show.
Speaker: I think it's because they're both really a physical media.
Speaker: The difference of it being, if anything, in the post-production, you're not going those quick cuts to hide anything in an acrobatic show because they've practiced this routine.
Speaker: They know exactly where everything's going to be going.
Speaker: If you are actually editing...
Speaker: something has maybe stuffed up but they will they will continue on to go from there.
Speaker: Comedy is just it's very it's very static.
Speaker: You know I always run with as I say a minimum of two cameras just for this well probably my own paranoia to make sure that everything's filming and I've captured everything but then
Speaker: Those sort of performances are a bit more static.
Speaker: Comedy, burlesque, probably more static in the positioning, whereas circus and wrestling are more aligned as the physical media, as I said.
Speaker: They're very, very similar.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: what's in your time now with not only created by Giles, but the entire time looking at promo videos, editing and things like that, what can you say have been the most rewarding events or moments that you've worked on?
Speaker: It's a tough one.
Speaker: I was going to say question without notice, but I did send you these.
Speaker: Yeah, I know.
Speaker: You can't find them.
Speaker: I don't have the Jeopardy music ready to go here for you.
Speaker: Oh, no, look, there are the...
Speaker: There's a few that I can think of.
Speaker: Funnily enough, one of them, probably the most rewarding one
Speaker: It's not even that.
Speaker: One of the ones I really enjoyed was funnily enough, working with Luke on a show called, or one of his shows called Beside Himself.
Speaker: We spent eight months filming everything, the video component of that.
Speaker: So we got opportunity to practice having three Luke's in one shot.
Speaker: and making it look like he was there, or there was three clones of him.
Speaker: I to this day feel like that show was criminally unappreciated for what it was doing so big time I went and watched that show because we crossed paths with Luke my old job very similar to his nine to five I won't break his confidences there but we went as a group there and went and watched it and you know laughed our asses off it we really all enjoyed the show
Speaker: Yeah, and it was like, I always enjoy Luke's work, so it was very easy for me.
Speaker: Well, yeah, that helps.
Speaker: Yeah, so just trying something a bit different in that, those video packages were probably really rewarding, and watching a show and seeing how well he had it synced up, and just the subtle little things that he was doing in the live performance that were mentioned in the video packages that...
Speaker: I wasn't even aware that there was a tie-in, but he had these tie-ins there.
Speaker: So really enjoy that.
Speaker: A lot of, in all honesty, the, the rewarding is probably the, some of the promo videos that I've done where, um,
Speaker: I've had people turn around and go, man, that was awesome.
Speaker: Or you just see people's reaction back straightening because they're engaged with what you've made.
Speaker: That's where I get the reward out of it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And, and you see that visual cue.
Speaker: I mean, it is really satisfying because you know that like that person's straightening up, leaning in just, yeah, that must be great.
Speaker: With that in mind, what's the future look like for, for yourself and created by Giles?
Speaker: It sounds weird saying that they're two separate entities because you are created by Giles, but, and you are Giles.
Speaker: So it's quite a paradox there we've got going there not to get all Dr. Who on it, but yeah,
Speaker: What's the future look like there?
Speaker: Any future goals or what's in the pipeline there for yourself and the freelancing?
Speaker: Well, look, obviously the grand dream is like bigger and better than I was this year, which it is one of those little caveats that I'm able to look back at where I was last year, the year before, and I can see the growth and it's getting that reputation that I'm the one to reach out to.
Speaker: I've got a couple, there's a couple of events as we're getting to Christmas that I'm filming, which is great.
Speaker: They're returning.
Speaker: I guess that's the important one.
Speaker: It's that returning customer.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Already worked with them, so they know to reach out to you again.
Speaker: Like new customers are fantastic, but the returning ones where it's like, yeah, I like that.
Speaker: Fringe Festival for 2024 starts in Jan 19th.
Speaker: So I've already had a couple of people reach out
Speaker: and say, hey, we need to book you and we know not to leave it to the last minute.
Speaker: So please make sure that you're free on this date.
Speaker: I'm like, yep, not a problem.
Speaker: Well, you are in demand.
Speaker: I mean, you're shooting off after this as well, which again, I always say on the show, it's like, don't date the podcast.
Speaker: But yeah, you are literally running off to a gig after this chat.
Speaker: So yeah, you're very much in demand.
Speaker: Yeah, it was very much a case of like I had a
Speaker: a performer reach out to me on Friday and go, hey, would you be available for this at 1 o'clock?
Speaker: And I'm like, yeah, that should be fine.
Speaker: Oh, by the way, I got it wrong.
Speaker: It's 1230.
Speaker: Yeah, OK, cool.
Speaker: I'll be there.
Speaker: I'll see you do.
Speaker: So although that being said, it's always good to be recommended once I figure out who it was that recommended me.
Speaker: I'm very nosy on that sort of thing of like, so hang on, who is it that's passing my name around?
Speaker: Because I'd like to know, what are you saying?
Speaker: But yeah, look, there are a couple of projects that are in the pipeline going from there.
Speaker: And just very, very intrigued to see what 2024 brings.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I certainly am because I love looking along on your socials and looking, I mean, you're very generous in the clips that you share and obviously your clients are very generous as well in letting them share that as well.
Speaker: So where can we find you if we want to engage with you and use you as a videographer or editor or something we've got in the pipeline?
Speaker: Where would we find you?
Speaker: um on the socials i know you're not the socials guy so to speak but how can we find you to book you and look at your work so available on instagram facebook and youtube as at created by giles all one word
Speaker: There is a Twitter or an X account.
Speaker: I don't use it.
Speaker: If you message me on Twitter, it's not going to get responded.
Speaker: So besides that, there's also a website, www.createdbygiles.com, where you can reach out to me there as well.
Speaker: Or, yeah, drop a DM in any of the socials.
Speaker: And either I will respond or my social media manager will send me an abusive message and say, would you please respond to that message that's sitting there?
Speaker: I'm getting annoyed by notifications.
Speaker: Like, yep, sure, not a problem.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I can't recommend jumping on YouTube and the website enough there because you've got a lot of really great clips there that really show not only the quality, but the versatility of what you do as well.
Speaker: So definitely- Thank you very much.
Speaker: No, no, you've done a really cracking job from where you started in terms of your terrible social media presence to having this online-
Speaker: And I say that as a mate, but it was horrible.
Speaker: But having, you know, the showcase of your work is just as important as the people that you showcase then and can't recommend that enough.
Speaker: So before we wrap up for today, because you are off to a gig very shortly, what are your final words or anything like there you'd like to share to whether it's, you know,
Speaker: not necessarily someone as a sales pitch, but if someone is looking for a videographer or an editor or someone who's looking to get involved in that side of things and try their hand at it?
Speaker: Look, it can be very, very rewarding, but you've got to be doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker: Like all...
Speaker: All joking aside is there, like I say, yes, I'm nuts to be doing it.
Speaker: It's a lot of long hours, like just a lot of sanity checks as well, because you might have missed a shot or there's something like that.
Speaker: But it is very, very rewarding when it all comes together.
Speaker: And those moments where you get a video and you might get like the hair standing up on your arm, you know you've got, once you know you've got something, it's good from there.
Speaker: That being said, be prepared for criticism.
Speaker: I am, and funnily enough, Eric, you had sent me a video once that you had put together and asked me, oh, what are your thoughts?
Speaker: And I turned around and went, I don't like this.
Speaker: I don't like that.
Speaker: This looks good.
Speaker: Maybe not that.
Speaker: And I never ask it again.
Speaker: The bits that I didn't like were all the things that you had filmed.
Speaker: I liked someone else's footage, but it's, it's that whole thing of, um, anyone can tell you what you're doing, right?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: That's not, that's not, and this isn't just videography.
Speaker: This is everything.
Speaker: Um, that's not the feedback that you need.
Speaker: You need to be told, Hey,
Speaker: this didn't work as well, or hey, maybe have a look at this.
Speaker: And a lot of the time tying it into video, you already kind of know that.
Speaker: Or if someone's removed, if you remove that, it's like, hey, I'm going to have to work this entire video again.
Speaker: Because this segment has been removed.
Speaker: But that person who, or a couple of people have told me, this doesn't work.
Speaker: They are right.
Speaker: We'll go from there.
Speaker: So that ties into that.
Speaker: That'll do attitude and all the rest of.
Speaker: Be prepared for criticism.
Speaker: Don't make excuses.
Speaker: If you can't do something, just say you can't do it.
Speaker: And go from there.
Speaker: But yeah, do it as long as you enjoy it.
Speaker: because the day that you don't enjoy it, it's going to show in your work.
Speaker: So yeah, go for it.
Speaker: A hundred percent.
Speaker: And I can't, I can't agree.
Speaker: Like I agree with 99.99% of that because I won't agree with the 0.1% that said my work was shocking.
Speaker: I don't work there anymore.
Speaker: So it doesn't matter.
Speaker: Personal opinion.
Speaker: Personal opinion.
Speaker: I didn't like it so.
Speaker: like take that take the criticism on board or just go giles is a jerk i was well aware of this two things can be right i can take the criticism and say giles is a jerk um but um two points to what you just said there like um you know even even with his show like i ask for feedback and and i do get some really honest feedback from people close to me um
Speaker: That just don't sugarcoat what's going not well versus what's going well as well.
Speaker: So it's so important to take that on board and learn from it if it's coming from the right place.
Speaker: But that last point about if you're not enjoying something, don't do it.
Speaker: And you and I personally have been in situations where we go, look, this particular aspect of what we're doing, not enjoying it anymore.
Speaker: Why are we still doing it?
Speaker: Why are we putting ourselves through it?
Speaker: and sort of moved away from it.
Speaker: So I think that's so important because, you know, we only get so many ticks of the clock on this, on this planet.
Speaker: Don't, don't waste it on things that you aren't enjoying, change the circumstance, change the environment, get yourself in a position of enjoying it.
Speaker: And then whatever it is, whether it's your, your hobby, your sport, your work, it will flourish.
Speaker: So I think,
Speaker: you know, for all the technical goodness that you've given us there, I think that's probably the lasting thing to come out of it is just enjoy it and you'll love it.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Well, with that in mind, I'm going to let you go because, you know, as I mentioned last week on the show, we have got gas bagging for quite a while now.
Speaker: But I've really enjoyed the chat and hopefully our listening viewership have got some real gems out of that.
Speaker: So, Giles, really appreciate your time today and all the best.
Speaker: And we'll keep an eye out on the future there for all the big upcoming stuff that you've got in the pipeline.
Speaker: Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker: Well, that was great to hear from Giles, not only to catch up, but to hear a little bit more about editing, that technical side of things, and what makes for a good show in that post-production.
Speaker: So, I mean, for our listening viewership, it would have been great to pick up some tips there.
Speaker: And also, that reliability piece, I think that's a little bit unsung, especially when you're first trying to make your way, whether it's events, whether it's sports.
Speaker: I think we touched on it a little bit with the interview with Bailey a few weeks back, but
Speaker: That being dependable, being there and really rolling your sleeves up there.
Speaker: So a great chat.
Speaker: Make sure you hit up Created by Giles on the socials.
Speaker: His diary is filling up better than Giacomo Casanova's.
Speaker: He's very much in demand at the moment.
Speaker: So especially going to fringe season here in Western Australia.
Speaker: If you're looking for someone to capture your performance in a really high-level, world-class elite way, that's the man to hit up.
Speaker: So, created by Giles.
Speaker: Thank you very much for that, Giles.
Speaker: Before we go today, one of the things about being able to do the episode, more with a weekend release, obviously last week, cake week, yes.
Speaker: This week, you know, very much a cricket-heavy week.
Speaker: You know, community cricket clubs, they're a heck of a lot of fun to volunteer for.
Speaker: And I mean that genuinely, but they can take a little bit...
Speaker: Out of your calendar, for sure.
Speaker: But what it did allow me to do here with you, my loyal listening viewership, is that I was able to go to the Perth Lynx game last night.
Speaker: And, of course, as you should never do on a podcast, it's date the episode.
Speaker: But we were able to go to the season opener, a couple of mates and I, against the Sydney Uni Flames.
Speaker: And I tell you what, you know, we here, we, me, I, I'm the team,
Speaker: But we here at Hey Pal, I'm Coachable, it's like when footy reporters, they'll do it, they go, well, so-and-so footy organization can report when it's really the guy who just rang the person with the source.
Speaker: So it's just like, as we can report on blah, blah, blah, as we can report on Hey Pal, I'm Coachable,
Speaker: It was great.
Speaker: It was the season opener against the Sydney Uni Flames.
Speaker: And it was a new look link side.
Speaker: We spoke about that with Jacinta Govind a few weeks ago on the WNBL preview.
Speaker: I keep saying a few weeks ago, like this is some sort of serial drama that you've got to be like following along like 24 or something like previously on Hey Pal Unculturable.
Speaker: I don't know what that voice was.
Speaker: That's not Kiefer Sutherland.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: The new look sides.
Speaker: It was always going to be a little bit different to see how they play.
Speaker: And I thought it was really impressive for performance in so many ways.
Speaker: It's still, you know, those round one sort of cobwebs, as it were.
Speaker: Not from Itsy Bitsy, who is very much vacated this studio now, which is great.
Speaker: I don't very much like him hanging down and looking at me as I, again, give it the side eye just to make sure that he isn't now just picking his opportunity to just spring a trap door.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: Yeah, it was really good to see.
Speaker: They had the cobwebs.
Speaker: They'll get a bit more understanding and connection and chemistry as the season progresses.
Speaker: You know, there's one thing, you know, scrimmages and as much match sim and all that sort of thing versus the actual, the real thing, the authentic, you know, this is a WNBL game, this is round one, it's for points.
Speaker: So you're always going to have that sort of difference.
Speaker: But I was really impressed by, as was everyone, shocking, the person who gets 21 rebounds.
Speaker: Yeah, impressive.
Speaker: So Annalie Mailey, just first game for the Lynx, playing against her old side, the side that played with during the lockdown season.
Speaker: And in Sydney, it's pretty much trying to go to a pub after 9 o'clock.
Speaker: So, you know, it wasn't much difference if you had a lockdown.
Speaker: I'm joking, Sydney-siders, I know your lockdowns suck much more than Western Australia.
Speaker: I'm aware of that.
Speaker: We're jerks here in WA.
Speaker: But yeah, 21 boards and 15 points for the first up hit-up.
Speaker: And I was really so super impressed by Aerie McDonald.
Speaker: Her speed, just unbelievable.
Speaker: It's like the old cliche, like smoke through a keyhole.
Speaker: Just...
Speaker: Couldn't keep up with her.
Speaker: It was magnificent to watch.
Speaker: So some really, really promising signs there for the Lynx for round one.
Speaker: I know on Jacinta's Instagram page, she ran a bit of a poll, and it looked like it was very much heavily weighted in terms of people thinking the Flames were going to win.
Speaker: And no, the Lynx, it was a really, really dominant performance.
Speaker: The Flames hung in there, but it just seemed like every quarter, those last couple of minutes were sort of...
Speaker: Whether it was not a lapse, but they would allow that margin to go from that two-possession game back out to that 10 or 12 or something like that.
Speaker: So they never really get a strong foothold.
Speaker: So a lot to work on there.
Speaker: But I was also impressed by Mack's game, Mackenzie Clinch-Hoycard.
Speaker: One of the things I noticed in the NBL 1 season, just that...
Speaker: increase in production of rebounds and I think that that presence on defense it was really starting to show there um for Matt in round one and of course we always love friend of the show Chloe Forster coming on towards the end there just doing Chloe Forster things just that penetration into the paint there puts the hard hat on um it was good to see there at the end to get some reward for her style of play and for the Flames it was always it's always interesting it's it's it's fun not fun to see fun's probably the wrong term but
Speaker: Emma Clark, who obviously plays in the NBL1 West for Perry Lakes at the Bendat here in Western Australia.
Speaker: And one of the things I love is she still gets applauded and cheered and things like that when she enters the court.
Speaker: So none of that really annoying tribalism BS that you see, especially in the footy codes.
Speaker: Hey, I've given you 300 games in my career.
Speaker: Sorry, I wanted to finish the last two years elsewhere.
Speaker: Boo!
Speaker: Boo!
Speaker: Boo!
Speaker: I don't know who that was.
Speaker: I mean, that's the sound of collective booing, apparently.
Speaker: Yep, put that up on Ben Sound or whatever.
Speaker: Yeah, you can license that for free.
Speaker: Boo!
Speaker: It's pretty impressive seeing that we're allowed mid-strength here in Western Australia.
Speaker: Yeah, Emma Clarke, she was really good coming on there.
Speaker: Ended up playing, you know, just under 20 minutes, I think, off the top of my head.
Speaker: But, yeah, really effective stuff.
Speaker: So, anyway, long, long, long, long story.
Speaker: Kind of short?
Speaker: Anyway, really enjoyed the experience there at the Lynx, and I'm glad to see them get the first win on the board.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: Yeah, good things coming for Perth Lynx.
Speaker: Touch wood, you know, hit the old fist on the noggin.
Speaker: Let's hope that the Lynx can go all the way here because we're a bit of a one-eyed Lynx podcast here.
Speaker: Before I let you go, though, I've got to share something that happened at the game.
Speaker: You might have seen it if you're silly enough to follow me on socials.
Speaker: That's a good selling point, Eric.
Speaker: That's why you didn't end up finishing your marketing degree.
Speaker: It was funny because, obviously, people may know that I'm a lifelong Chicago Bulls fan and, you know...
Speaker: Even before we just became a t-shirt company, because for too many years, we just worried about selling 23 jerseys rather than try and be good.
Speaker: D. Rose does his knee, and then we go, okay, let's go back to being a t-shirt company.
Speaker: There's things forming there, but that's a podcast for another day.
Speaker: Anyway.
Speaker: Lifelong Chicago Bulls fans, as many kids growing up in the 90s here in Western Australia were.
Speaker: And who do I see when I look over?
Speaker: Well, not really look over.
Speaker: I look, you know, strongly diagonally up direction.
Speaker: I see Luke Longley, the championship Chicago Bull player, West Australia's own, just absolute legend of the sport, legend of Australian basketball.
Speaker: you know, colossus, both figuratively and literally.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh, I've tried to be a little bit cooler in my old age now about, you know, excuse me, got a photo.
Speaker: That's apparently how I talk when I ask for photos.
Speaker: But, you know, there's exceptions to rules.
Speaker: And you see people who are just like, you know, I'd like to capture this moment that I was fortunate enough to be in the same location at this time of year with this person.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: I just thought, okay, I might venture over and just ask the great man if I could get a photo.
Speaker: But I spy with my little eye.
Speaker: You know, it's just a guy, just a guy standing next to him, you know, coming along for the game, here to watch the Lynx kick some heavy-duty booty.
Speaker: And I go, oh...
Speaker: I might just get a photo with that guy.
Speaker: I mean, there's Luke Longley, championship NBA player, absolute, you know, demigod of Australian basketball.
Speaker: But that guy next to him, I think I'm going to get a photo with him.
Speaker: So I go, because there was a little bit of a crowd hanging around Luke at this time.
Speaker: That's not, I'm not saying, oh, I just fast pass, I'm going to go.
Speaker: It's like when you're going home, it's like, oh, we'll get Maccas on the way home.
Speaker: You see the line out, the drive-thru, you go, oh, maybe we'll just go to Hungry Jack's.
Speaker: But actually, no, I think Hungry Jack's burgers are better.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I've heard something about that.
Speaker: So I go to the guy next to him and I say, sorry, I hate to bother you.
Speaker: Excuse me, sir.
Speaker: No, again, I don't think I've ever used that voice apart from the last three minutes.
Speaker: I say, excuse me, sir.
Speaker: I know this is weird and I just met you, but I show him a little bit of ink work on my arm and I go, look, I'm a big fan.
Speaker: Do you mind if I quickly take a selfie gimmick with you?
Speaker: And...
Speaker: I won't pretend to get in this man's head, but he's like, oh yeah, sure.
Speaker: Lovely bloke.
Speaker: No doubt about that.
Speaker: One of the best human beings in the sporting landscape ever.
Speaker: Yeah, he's good at sports.
Speaker: And so there I am.
Speaker: Take a photo.
Speaker: And so rather than get a photo with, you know, Chicago Bulls legend, Luke Longley.
Speaker: I've got yet another, and that's an important thing, yet another photo with former Western Bulldogs captain, Bob Murphy.
Speaker: And you know what?
Speaker: No regrets.
Speaker: Or no ra-grets if you get a tattoo artist who doesn't know how to spell.
Speaker: No regrets.
Speaker: My captain, my captain.
Speaker: Lovely photo.
Speaker: Actually, I'm ugly smiling, so it's not a great photo on my part.
Speaker: But, hey, I'm a lifelong Chicago Bulls fan, but nothing trumps the love for my beloved bully dogs.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Just thought I'd share that anecdote there with you.
Speaker: But more importantly, going back, let's watch the Lynx continue to dominate this year.
Speaker: And hopefully we continue to dominate in your hearts here at Hey Pal, I'm Coachable.
Speaker: Again, as I always say, I'm appreciative of anyone who...
Speaker: Pops these dulcet tones into their ear holes and makes me part of their weekly podcast rotation.
Speaker: I really appreciate it.
Speaker: And that's all I ask.
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Speaker: And even though this outro has been a little bit longer than usual, trying a little bit something different.
Speaker: Weekend release, a little bit more of a chinwag, a little bit of a feedback about some sporting events.
Speaker: I'm always glad to keep on evolving, keep on improving.
Speaker: But what I won't do is keep you too much longer.
Speaker: So thank you very much for your listenership today.
Speaker: And yeah, next week, a bit of an interesting guest.
Speaker: So yeah, you'll have to stay tuned there.
Speaker: But until next time, thank you for listening.
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