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Extended Clip - Ballon d’Or 2023: Only Nicolo Barella Shortlisted - Caso Of More Anti-Italian Discrimination?
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After the 2023 Ballon d'Or shortlist was announced with only one Italian player included - Inter Milan's Nicolo Barella - Nima Tavallaey and Carlo Garganese discuss, debate and analyze if Alessandro Bastoni, Giovanni Di Lorenzo and Federico Dimarco should have been on the list and who they should have been there instead of.
This is a clip from the weekly Thursday episode of the Italian Football Podcast.
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast. Let's just make this quite quick.
Ballon d'Or Shortlist Announcement
00:00:08
Speaker
The Ballon d'Or list was announced this week, the 30-man shortlist ahead of the ceremony on October 30th.
Italian Representation on the Shortlist
00:00:19
Speaker
Only one Italian in the 30-man list, which I think is
00:00:25
Speaker
is not enough. Because when Serie A had two teams in the Champions League semi-finals and one in the final, and a lot of the Italian players played big roles, for Inter especially, but also the historic season that Napoli had, getting to the quarter-final and winning Scudetto.
Opinions on Shortlist Selections
00:00:40
Speaker
Um, Niigola Borrell is the only player that's called Mr. in the list now. I'm reading the list now and I can't, I agree with pretty much every single player in there. The only player I might not agree with that shouldn't be there.
00:00:55
Speaker
is maybe, and then that would be maybe very uncharitable, it's Erdogan, who you could say, well, maybe Bastogno di Lorenzo should have been there instead.
00:01:07
Speaker
But players I don't believe should be in there. I carry him Benzema. His brilliant season was the season before. Jamal Musiala for Bayern Munich. If you've got Musiala, Musiala was great the first half of the season, second half of the season, not so much. And he didn't have a good World Cup either, really.
Will Messi Win the Ballon d'Or?
00:01:30
Speaker
no idea what's what what the hell he's doing yeah what the hell is he doing it i mean don't know i think i'm a big fan i'm a big fan of him i want i said that it was madness at the time we landed signing on a free transfer and then he goes for a hundred million a year later so yeah this is coming from someone who's a fan of him but you know
00:01:46
Speaker
Frankfurt player. What the hell was he doing in there? Julian Alvarez was a sub for the World Cup. You see, this is a thing that you have to remember that it's an unwritten rule that lots of this is this is the reason why Lionel Messi is going to win it is because he was the best player at the World
Analysis of Individual Players
00:02:05
Speaker
Cup. He wasn't the best player overall over the season, but he was the best player at the World Cup. And so he's going to win it. And that's what they
00:02:12
Speaker
And Odegard had a... He was great. I love that arsenal. I think they're wonderful to watch. He was Salah. Salah had a very good individual season, but Liverpool were totally disastrous season. So what's he doing in there? I mean, he did have a very good individual season, I know, but then when I look at Bastoni, DiMarco and Vilarento,
00:02:36
Speaker
I mean, for me, it's not quite there yet to me, but for me, Bastani and Di Lorenzo, I think at least one of them should be there. I am a little bit... Has there been a better right back than Di Lorenzo? I have to say one thing, and maybe I'm wrong here, but I've...
00:02:56
Speaker
Theo Hernandez and Mike Mignon are on there. Well, Theo Hernandez, I understand, because I think he had a quite up and down season. And even Mignon, to an extent, he was injured for a good three or four months a bit, and he missed the World Cup. So I do understand that, to my honest. Milan, let's not forget, Milan finished fifth in Serie A, and they got semi-finals. Yeah, but Theo was outstanding in the World
Serie A Clubs on the Shortlist
00:03:18
Speaker
Cup.
00:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, in the World Cup. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, in the World Cup. Up until the final, yeah. Yeah, that's fair. That's a fair point. Well, they did struggle against England. But yeah, tell you, okay, yeah, if we're doing Julian Alvarez, then I guess, yeah, we could argue. Tell, for me, it's more of a... I reacted to that. I was like, why is he not there? Because I think he is the best left back in the world, together with Alfonso Davis.
00:03:42
Speaker
At least there is some representation from some of the Italian clubs, and we've got Osseman in there, we've got Kvaratke. Kim and Jay, I count Kim and Jay. Two Napoli players. No, three Napoli players. Kim and Jay went there because of his Napoli, that's why he
End of Messi-Ronaldo Dominance
00:03:57
Speaker
was there. Of course he did, yeah. For me, that's a Napoli player. And we got into, represented by Barella and Lottaro. Which I think is fair. I think that's fair.
00:04:09
Speaker
But we all know Lionel Messi is going to win it so I don't even understand why we're talking about this. Yeah.
00:04:16
Speaker
I'm just happy that now this is the last year we have to deal with this cult, because from now on, it's not going to be another Messier Ronaldo cult. As much as I've loved watching this era, I am over the moon that it's over. I'm tired of it. They are exhausting. Both sets of fans of these two are cult fanboys. They're insane. They're impossible to engage in conversation with.
00:04:39
Speaker
and I'm over the moon that it's now over and finished and done with. Thank God, move next. Yeah, no, first Ballon d'Or without Ronaldo in 20 years, and I think next year will maybe be the first year without either of them.