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Were Juventus OVERHYPED As Potential Serie A Champions This Season? (Clip From Q & A Pod)
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Have fans and pundits alike been overhyping Juventus as potential winners of the Serie A going into this season?
The Italian Football Podcast patron Nikolaj sends in a question wondering what Nima Tavallaey and Carlo Garganese think of Juve's failure to be in the title race.
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Transcript
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:03
Speaker
to the Italian football podcast. Penultimate
Are Expectations for Juve Too High?
00:00:06
Speaker
question, Nicole Aline De Baer says hi guys hope you guys got through to 2025 well the question have the expectations for Juva been too high with Juva's history of course fans of expectations ah but with Motta's first season with a team that is playing in three competitions and many new plays it certainly looks a bit too much for him I know that he also has to deal with several injuries injuries But how much of you was dropping points do you do you think is based on too high expectations? Should the directors have some of the blame? Thanks for the great part. Always a joy to listen to kind regards, Nicola.
Discussion on Expectations vs. Reality
00:00:35
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Well, thank you for the kind message and um and hope you got through to 2025 or right to. We've already discussed the directors and the and the you know and and the management, but I'm keen to hear about what you think about if the expectations were a little bit too high.
00:00:50
Speaker
going into the season? What are your thoughts? Yes, yes I do. and I do think they're too high. um you know Obviously with hindsight it's always a lot easier. I think people got a bit carried away with the amount of players and money. Gross, albeit, that Juventus spent and got a bit carried away. Probably carried away a little bit with Motta as well because he had such a great season.
00:01:17
Speaker
um but when you look at it with hindsight now, yeah, ah definitely. um you know Lots of people were saying Juventus should win the the title or had them as favorites to win the title, which I always thought was ridiculous to go that far. I do think that they should have been challenging um for a lot longer, for sure, not be out of the title race by kind of you know November. I mean, that is, yeah, that is that that that's too much. um But
Juventus' Defensive Concerns
00:01:47
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the idea that, yeah, a team that
00:01:50
Speaker
you know, got revolutionized so much going from one style of play, you know, basically catanat show to possession football overnight with with such a young team, but the youngest Juventus team, youngest team in Serie A,
00:02:07
Speaker
You know, I think it was, it was, you know, it was a bit too, too much to ask, especially as a defense as well. People, everybody was saying like that, that defense before the season, like, you know, did that look like a Scudetto winning defense? Let's be honest. And that's with Bremmer, let alone we went Bremmer, you lose Bremmer as well. Really? Come on. Did that event to seem
Underperformance in the Top Four
00:02:27
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look like a Scudetto winning defense? No, it didn't way off. Um, so, so yeah, I do, I do think it was, um,
00:02:35
Speaker
Yeah. And yes, like you said, playing, playing free competition. Yeah. Playing in more competitions as well. You know, going from last season, play one competition all season, not being in Europe. Excuse me. but Um, so yeah, I do. I think, I think the expectations were too high. Um, but at the same time, um, that's not to accept where they are now, which is underperforming, but being out the top four is underperforming. So two things. true I will,
00:03:03
Speaker
ah good I will acknowledge that I might have like expected too high having them ah to win the Serie A. But I think the fact that they're not even in a title race is ah is is an abject failure. I think you can at least have have had them in a title. They should have been in a title race at least until last year, like they did with Allegri until they were there till February. The fact that they haven't even been in one,
00:03:31
Speaker
properly this season is is is a disappointment. I think that's what I think I might have. <unk> i'll hold I'll hold my hand up and say, yes, I was one of those who expected. I wasn't. I don't think I wouldn't be too critical of what you said about Serie A. I would be critical of what you said about the Champions League. I think that was you went over saying that they did. No, I said they were dark I said they were dark horses to go far in the Champions League as long as Bremen was healthy.
00:03:53
Speaker
because I think with a solid defence you can actually do far in Europe. I didn't think they were going to win it, but I had them as a dark horse to go far and maybe even a final. But Brem is injured, he destroyed all of that. That's how important he is. like it's It's that simple. But i do I do think that i might I was a little bit too quick to jump the gun a little bit on on them being at winning theerria the Serie A this season, yes, I think so.
00:04:18
Speaker
But
Midfield Expectations Not Met
00:04:19
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yeah I think i think what what's killed them is like the one guarantee and it's one the one guarantee that I expected from Juventus this season is that they would have a top-class midfield and maybe even be competing for the best midfield in Serie A. I think there was a very real possibility as the season started that Juventus were going to have the best midfield in Serie A. It's easy to say in hindsight. Now, are Juventus midfield? Blah, blah, blah. At the beginning of the season, I think most people And I think we both we both thought that. And I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking that.
00:04:53
Speaker
that Juventus would have the best midfield. If you have the best midfield in the league, then from that, b shotwin things are possible because mid midfield na the midfield is the most in modern football. I didn't think they were going to have by far the best, I think they were going to have one of the best midfield. I thought that there was a possibility if things came to came together right that they would have that they could have the best midfield in series, especially clay under a manager like Motta who dominated possession with Melania.
00:05:19
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who hardly had that and ah an outstanding midfield, you know, he was dominated, they were thinking they had the second most amount of possession in Serie A last season, Bologna. So I thought that Juventus midfield with Koop miners, Douglas Luiz Taran being added to, you know, Locatelli, you know, Fagioli, like lots of depth that they had in midfield. um I thought that those in that midfield would just be dominated. And I guess they have still possession wise, they still have controlled things quite a lot, but but it's not been, you know, Koop miners and and and And so ah Douglas Louise have failed so far, given the money they've put. I mean, Douglas Louise had complete failure. Koop Miner's really a big disappointment so far, given the money and expectation. So, you know, I think i wouldn't I wouldn't be critical of either of us but but for getting that wrong, because I think everybody expected the midfield to be a big success. And then from there, who knows? But yeah,
Conclusion: Expectations Were Too High
00:06:10
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is is overall, though, yes, i think I think there was too much expectation. Good good question, Nikolay.