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Extended Clip - Do Juventus Have A Future With Max Allegri After Napoli Humiliation?
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After Juventus humiliating loss against Napoli in the Serie A, Nima Tavallaey and Carlo Garganese debate if the Bianconeri have a future as long as Max Allegri is in charge.
This is an extended clip from this weeks free Monday episode of The Italian Football Podcast which is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and Google podcasts.
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Transcript
Introduction to Italian Football Podcast
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast.
Juventus' Winning Streak: A Metaphor for Growth?
00:00:06
Speaker
Alegri, I think we should talk about that. Oh, we're going to talk about Alegri, don't worry. No, I think we should talk about that. And I know who you want to listen.
00:00:14
Speaker
I think that those eight games in a row showed glimpses of what his Uber can do. An embryo. No, even more than an embryo. I'd say this is a nine month pregnancy. I think we're almost into six, seven, eight, nine months to take that. The child hasn't been born yet, but it's where we're close to.
Juventus' Path to Victory: Structural Changes Needed?
00:00:35
Speaker
It's going to be another child.
00:00:37
Speaker
Well, I mean, you know, the question is, well, that's actually a good analogy, because at Juva, the children are ugly, but they're successful. At Juva, the winning is the only thing that matters. Exactly like Spaletti said, that at Juva, the winning is the only thing that matters. Well, Sarah Napoli, we have an obligation to play beautiful. We are a club where Maradona played.
00:00:57
Speaker
You know, these things matter. And I think Allegri is I think next season is where you don't want to see anything like this.
Juventus vs Napoli: Should Allegri Be Sacked?
00:01:05
Speaker
Next season is where it has to work. They need to invest. They need to have a structure in place both off the pitch because they don't have one at all right now. And they need to continue down this path. I think what we saw was a team that is that those eight wins showed what you what his you can be and.
00:01:22
Speaker
this the win the match against Napoli showed that his work that his uh that his that allegory is uva isn't there yet far from it um and and more and more than i'm not going to go on and say oh because they lost one game against one of the best teams in europe throw everything out and and can't you know sack him sack him sack him no bringing the zerby or as i like to call him bankarele
De Zerbi vs Guardiola: A Humorous Comparison
00:01:45
Speaker
pep
00:01:45
Speaker
He's like a rip-off shirt from Pep Guardiola. We were a kid in the 90s and he wanted like a, because it wasn't like now where you could go online and buy everything, but I wanted a Roberto Bajo shirt in the 90s for Italy shirt. God bless my relatives, they sent me one that cost like 10,000 lira at the market stools, which was pretty much a polyester rip-off. That's how I see Dzirbi as a bankarelli pep, as a cheap rip-off market stool,
00:02:12
Speaker
I think you're going to regret saying that. Anyway, listen, I don't want to get away and deflect Allegri. This is why I stuck to my
Allegri's Defensive Tactics: Outdated or Strategic?
00:02:21
Speaker
guns on Allegri. During this eight game winning run where you've got all these planks, Juventus fans and Allegri disciples that were boasting about how Allegri has proven the doubters wrong.
00:02:29
Speaker
you know allegory it was back all those that they were criticizing allegory how stupid they were how uventas were going to win the title they were going to win trophies i stuck to my guns throughout i stuck to my guns throughout and i have done for 18 months you know winning one nil every game while barely barely creating anything five of those eight wins were one nil uh that's unsustainable you can't keep grinding out one nil wins while barely having a chance and with late goals from from goalkeeping blunders like we saw in the the game against kremonezi eventually
00:02:59
Speaker
your luck runs out and your true quality is shown. And that is what happened on Friday. We saw Juventus' true level when they played against the top team. And, you know, again, I've stayed consistent on Allegri. I'm not going to change. I've not flip-flopped once, as some have. Allegri is outdated. His football is outdated. You can't play ultra-defensive, low-block, counter-attacking football with no pressing, no intensity, and expect to have success at the top level in club football in 2023. You can't.
Chiesa's Position: Is Talent Being Wasted?
00:03:27
Speaker
And yet again, in this game, we're looking specifically at this game, he started a 3511 against Napoli. Federico Chiesa at right wing bat is a crime against football. It's a crime against football. When Beppe Yacchini with that stupid baseball hat was playing with
00:03:47
Speaker
I'm going to explain what I mean by that. I don't think it was a 3-5-1-1. I think that's unfair. I think it was a 3-5-1-1 without position that transitioned into a 3-4-2-1 in counter-attack.
00:03:58
Speaker
Well, they're never they're never encounter attack because they were all defending in their penalty. Well, that was the problem because the midfield and defense were completely were off their game and there was no intensity and pressure, which because Allegri plays that kind of football, Neymar is always going to be playing as a right wing back. He's never going to be up the pitch to do what he wants to do, because that's how that's
Allegri's Management: Impact on Youth Development?
00:04:17
Speaker
how he plays. And that's how you go. That's what's going to happen. Well, Allegri, it's obvious. It's obvious in Allegri team against against Napoli are going to get completely out of the zest. But anyway, I think he's saying so that he's playing.
00:04:28
Speaker
Look, we can't get away from the fact that playing Chiesa as a right wing back is a disgrace. It is a disgrace. For me, that's a sack of offense on its own. Playing Chiesa at right wing back. One of the best wingers in the world, playing him as a right wing back. He was at fault for two of the goals as well, by the way. The first two goals, Chiesa was at fault for that.
00:04:46
Speaker
But that's just talking from him on the defensive side, which Allegri's obsessed with himself. I'm talking about not having a Chiesa playing up the pill in the attacking winger position. That is a crime, not putting him in his position. This is like playing Kylian Mbappe as a right wing back, or Mo Salah as a right wing back. It's absolutely unforgivable. It's unforgivable. And this is why I said last week, Chiesa has just come back from injury, right? For now,
00:05:13
Speaker
My focus on Kiesa is I just want him to build up his fitness, not get any more injuries, not be overplayed like San Iolo. And in a way, I said, I think Allegri maybe is the best coach for that because he's not going to overplay it, I hope, although he did start this game. But I did also add that long term,
00:05:36
Speaker
Allegri is the worst manager possible for Chiesa. And if Allegri is still at Juventus next season, I want Chiesa to leave because Allegri will destroy him. He was already destroying Chiesa last season before his injury. Look at Chiesa in the first half of last season, how he played, look at his stats, look at his performances. He was playing him basically as a second right back, as I used to say, in the 4-4-2, as a right midfielder that was just tracking back all the time. You know, now he's playing him as a right wing back. I mean, it's unforgivable and, you know,
00:06:04
Speaker
Kiesa needs to leave and I think Allegri is not only terrible for the development of players like Kiesa and young Italians, but he's terrible for the international team and he just doesn't develop young
Trust in Youth: Allegri's Choices Against Napoli
00:06:15
Speaker
players. And I think that brings me on nicely to the second point. I want to really criticize Allegri for this game. Dropping all the kids against Napoli again.
00:06:22
Speaker
Yeah, this is something I agree with. It was the kids who took Juventus on this eight-game run. I'm so glad you said that. Allegri only played them. And this is the point. This is why when people give Allegri credit for the eight-game winning run, and of course you have to give him credit for it. But remember that Allegri was forced to play the likes of Meretti and Fagioli and some of the others that even come on his subs, like Ilham Junior and the like. He was forced to play these because he couldn't have anyone else available. He had so many injuries, he had to play the kids.
00:06:50
Speaker
Then they happened to play really, really well. They played better than the senior players that they replaced, like McKinney and the others. And they went on this excellent eight game winning run. Now, as soon as a Napoli game comes along and he's got most of his players back now, what does he do? He drops all the kids and he goes back to the seniors who had failed for well over a year under Allegri. And what is the result? They get smashed 5-1. So again, it's just unforgivable.
00:07:16
Speaker
No, I agree with that. I think that was a mistake, dropping at least play one of them at least. I am very critical of him for that. I thought that was a mistake, especially given how you have looked when the kids have played.
00:07:32
Speaker
I thought that was a mistake but then again you know maybe he wanted to protect them from from playing and you know getting smashed 5-1 like this. They haven't been getting smashed though when the youngsters have played. They've been willing to win games. No no no but they haven't played Napoli either. My point is simply that maybe he was you know taking this you know trying to protect young players as well. I think a lot of times we have to remember that you know these kinds of heavy defeats for young players can really leave their mark especially for players that are developing early. It can really you know
00:07:59
Speaker
I think again it's another symptom of the outdated allegory mentality that he doesn't trust kids.