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Introduction and Guest Overview
00:00:07
Garrett
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Into the Malediction. This is episode 11. This is a really exciting one. We have the one of the lore experts and authors of a lot of our stories and lore that we're going through joining us today for an interview and the talk.
00:00:27
Garrett
ah His name is Chago Benefacio. I hope I said that correct. I decided to go for the last name.
Host and Guest Introductions
00:00:34
Garrett
ah But anyways, as always, I am Garrett Vance, AKA Admiral Tater, joined by my co-hosts, Nick and Alan.
00:00:41
Nick
ah everybody, this is Nick or a fetie three fifteen in the Discord.
00:00:46
m3rcier
Hey everybody, it's Alan Mercer on Discord.
00:00:49
Garrett
And of course our special guests,
00:00:52
Tiago
Yeah, hello everyone, I'm Thiago, Loot Studios Loremaster.
00:00:58
Garrett
And all right, here we go. So we're going to start off by asking, um, some very interesting questions for him to answer. ah and we're going to let Alan, uh, lead this off.
Thiago's Journey to Loremaster
00:01:10
m3rcier
All right. i guess the first one is less of a question and more of just letting you introduce yourself to the community.
00:01:18
Tiago
Yeah, so I'm Malediction's Loremaster, I'm LUT Studio's Loremaster, which basically means I'm the resident world world building and narrative storytelling nerd.
00:01:30
Tiago
um I'm the guy who takes an interest in it and makes sure that the trains are running smoothly. and that all the stories are matching together a well and that everything is making sense. I'm kind of the guardian of the integrity of the lore, so to speak. ah So yeah, that's kind of what I do for Loot Studio. Interesting fact, I started as Loot Studio's community manager. i just kind of... ah
00:02:01
Tiago
The job just kind of landed on my lap on ah on a parachute. i like to That's what I like to say. And then I just you know took an interest in ah in a bunch of different stuff that Blute was doing and ended up becoming the Loremaster.
00:02:17
Garrett
Well, you've, yeah, and you've done an amazing job so far, because there's just so much rich, interesting stories and stuff we want to talk about.
00:02:17
Nick
That's a lot of power and responsibility.
00:02:22
Tiago
Yeah, thank you.
00:02:27
Tiago
Yeah, thank you for that.
The Order Faction and Gameplay Insights
00:02:28
m3rcier
So you said Loot Studios and Malediction. So do you have a hand in some of the the lore that comes out if you're a Loot subscriber?
00:02:39
Tiago
Yes, absolutely.
00:02:39
m3rcier
Like some of the freebies they give out with each each month?
00:02:42
Tiago
Yeah, yeah. So basically everything that Lute puts out has been reviewed by me. I don't write for Lute as much as I do for Malediction. But yeah, I make sure that the like ah make sure that there's a ah minimum level of quality to our product, so to speak.
00:03:04
m3rcier
All right, to I'm gonna mess with you offline. I have some, ah there's some characters on the loot side that would be really cool to see a version of them in Malediction.
00:03:14
Tiago
That's nice. that's nice
00:03:15
m3rcier
ah Next question is gonna be your favorite fallaic of your favorite faction in Malediction from a lore perspective and then from the game gameplay side.
00:03:28
Tiago
Yeah, I think both of those are kind of the same. I'm an Order diehard, but I have been since the start, so that's not all that surprising. I like to play them a lot. I will say that I'm not the best player of the Malediction and the Order is just kind of straightforward and fun. ah for me to play. ah But yeah, ah I think with the Order we have also explore explored a couple of things that I just find interesting narratively, you know, the corruption option of power and the corruption of of institutions. We have done that with other factions as well, but the the Order kind of hits close to home to me.
00:04:17
Tiago
the The Conclave would be a close second, both thematically and in gameplay as well.
00:04:28
Nick
Well, that's embarrassing.
00:04:28
m3rcier
Oh, boy.
00:04:29
Nick
We've been pretty pretty rough on the order in our ah previous episodes.
00:04:33
Tiago
not other words but you've been
00:04:33
Garrett
how However, they have been recently redeemed.
00:04:36
Garrett
With our newest stories.
00:04:40
Tiago
I will say that you...
00:04:41
m3rcier
Yeah, i mean,
00:04:42
Tiago
Sorry, go ahead.
00:04:44
m3rcier
as you say, we've been a little bit critical of them, but I think we've been critical of all the factions because none of them are 100% clean or 100% They're varying shades of grace. they're varying shades of gray
00:04:58
Tiago
Yeah, what i was going to say that is that you guys have actually been quite fair. We kind of designed the factions to not be... we didn't want any of them m to be the good guys of the setting. And absolutely the best place on the continent to live in is Veloma.
00:05:18
Tiago
just because
Understanding the Malediction
00:05:20
Tiago
you don't have to deal with all the crazy stuff that goes on with the major players, right? with the With the Order and the Primal Blood and the Conclave. Like, everyone, like, it's a it's a roll of the dice for you to be born in a position where you're going to be to live well, and most of the time you're gonna roll one.
00:05:46
Nick
So Veloma is the best place to be with the exception being during the time of the Loomis crusade.
00:05:52
Tiago
Yeah, yeah.
00:05:52
Nick
Probably.
00:05:53
Tiago
No, like to ah to to be fair, that the the siege of Veloma didn't work, right? So if you were inside the city, like maybe you starve for a little bit, but you know, that happens in a lot of places in the continent, yeah.
00:06:06
Nick
That just happens. Yeah,
00:06:08
Tiago
But if you were inside the city, maybe you kind of crapped your pants with everything that was going on outside the walls. But other than that, you were probably okay.
00:06:22
Nick
yeah be it that'd be a sight for the pe peasantry to see the Vorondahl's army marching marching across the field.
00:06:27
Tiago
yeah well oh no Even before that, the army of order just marching into the city and bringing their might to bear. ah yeah that like the
00:06:38
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:06:40
Tiago
Until the Luminous Crusade, it had been a while since the the continent had seen an an organized army of that magnitude. ah There have been you know skirmishes between the the Free Cities and even between the the major powers, you know that the the great nations of the continent and the the Free Cities, the sovereign cities.
00:07:05
Tiago
But the Luminous Crusade was kind of the the big one in recent memory at least.
00:07:09
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:07:13
m3rcier
Yeah. and it was So like you said, it's the first time we've seen the full-scale warfare with you know two normal-scale armies. Previous it was just like smaller units, skirmishes and such. so this is the first time.
00:07:28
m3rcier
Imagine being on the walls of Eloma or whatever outside of it. You see the Order setting up to siege. And then you see the Legion's army march either north, south, however they bypass the city to go break the siege. You have to be thinking to yourself that you're screwed either way.
00:07:45
Tiago
Yeah.
00:07:45
m3rcier
you're thinking one of them is to take the city and then they route the, they, uh, the Legion routes, the order, and then they just march home. They don't come into the city. They don't sack it. They don't take it. They just leave.
00:07:58
m3rcier
Like,
00:07:59
Tiago
Yep, and and that actually bought them a lot of goodwill from the continent, and that that was kind of the point, right? the ah they wanted to They wanted an in with the rest of the continent, which they didn't necessarily have. ah Like, you know, the the Legion for the first couple of years, couple of centuries actually, of
Legion's Strategy and Character Development
00:08:25
Tiago
the Age of Legacy just kind of hid behind the Umberlands, which are not a ah ah nice place and are kind of hard to traverse. And they kind of just built their power, they explored the Malediction.
00:08:39
Tiago
And then when they did appear to the rest of the continent, it was like... oh, there's a bunch of dead people at our doorsteps trying to to preach a good word of Ptan Ravalum.
00:08:52
Tiago
Like, do we let them in? And most people didn't, right? So eventually the the the legion had to had to do stuff like like fight the order into Luminous Crusade.
00:09:06
Nick
I love that. I love the the the ambition behind it. Because you're you're right. it's Like we've discussed, you know the Legion, when you really look at it on paper, doesn't feel like the bad guys.
00:09:18
Nick
Just you know gray areas, sure. Definitely that. But you know from the outside, looking at it, necromancers and undead everywhere, it's like, odd it's a creepy place. I don't want to mess with that.
00:09:28
Nick
But you know they're just misunderstood.
00:09:32
Garrett
That's what I'm saying.
00:09:32
Nick
Yeah.
00:09:33
m3rcier
Okay.
00:09:33
Garrett
It's hard to make friends when you're a corpse. so But I think it's great that they try to ah you know export their university, come to our our library corpses, visit this, visit our great industry. ah it's That's amazing.
00:09:52
Tiago
Yep.
00:09:53
m3rcier
All right. Next question is, is there a specific character in Malediction that you could lay claim to mostly being responsible for?
00:10:06
Tiago
I'm not going to say... it's it's hard to say mostly responsible for. I did have a lot of input in a lot of the the first ah set of Seekers, ah but specifically Sigrid. created a lot of her her story, I played a lot of with her as well. like in or internal playtest groups, i was known I was known as the Sigrid man because I kept just i kept just playing just Sigrid and just annoying the hell out out of other people ah while playing Sigrid.
00:10:46
Tiago
In fact, I am kind of both directly and indirectly responsible for a bunch of her nerfs that she suffered during the development stage. If you guys think Sigrid is strong now, she used to be really busted.
00:11:04
Nick
Thank you.
00:11:04
Tiago
ah right oh
00:11:06
Garrett
Bring Bring it back. bring it back
00:11:07
Tiago
this Someday I will tell you about the the glorious days of the... ah And it didn't even really happen. I didn't even have a chance to test it.
00:11:19
Tiago
Like, I just mentioned the strategy and Nikki from the the game design team was like, nope, that's gone.
00:11:27
Tiago
which was Which was the lava crab strategy for Sigrid. ah So...
00:11:27
m3rcier
Yeah, remove it.
00:11:34
m3rcier
ah had one recently that I... I know that the you you played Tess with the other Brazilians in-house, correct?
00:11:42
Tiago
Yep. Yep. yep
00:11:43
m3rcier
Yeah. I had mentioned strategy I had for some of the new stuff, and it was there one week, and then when I played Bido the next week, it was gone. He wouldn't let me do it.
00:11:53
Nick
So I want to hear, so what you said, lava crab strategy?
00:11:54
m3rcier
So...
00:11:58
Garrett
That's what I'm saying. Like, what do you mean? a lot Like, is that a unit we don't know about?
00:12:00
Nick
i want i want I want to hear more about that.
00:12:03
Garrett
Lava-based crustaceans?
00:12:03
Tiago
here true Okay, so really quickly, really quickly. There were a couple of things that were different about the game at this point. So we didn't have, I think we had to the playtest version of the Ever Bleeding Giants. The damage dealing terrain was just lava when we were you know when we started testing it out.
00:12:23
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:12:23
Tiago
And the thing with sick with the Andorvan's ability to prevent damage and let you hit back was that it let you prevent prevent any damage and let you hit back with any unit in the battlefield.
00:12:31
m3rcier
ah
00:12:39
Tiago
So what you could do is you could just engage with Sigrid and then walk with an Astari. And the terrains could be placed really close together as well. So you could just walk with with ah an Astari in any night unit and just bounce between the lava terrains, dump your whole hand,
00:12:59
Tiago
while while you are hitting with Sigrid and then with your last card you play Enforced Balance and just... And that's the dream. That's the dream that never happened.
00:13:10
Nick
yeah
00:13:10
m3rcier
Well, at least one thing didn't change.
00:13:10
Nick
ye
00:13:13
m3rcier
one of One of those things still happens all the time right now.
00:13:16
Nick
I was going to say that it is still a very viable strategy, just maybe not to the same.
00:13:20
m3rcier
but couldn
00:13:22
Nick
I guess in turn one, you could really knock that out.
00:13:23
Tiago
Yeah.
00:13:29
Tiago
yeah
00:13:29
m3rcier
All right. Next question is going to be, what other IPs inspire you when you're trying to create lore for maledictions?
Influence of Sci-fi on Lore Creation
00:13:39
Tiago
I will give my answer. like There's a bunch of you know the creation of the the lore for the game and even the creation of the art, all of that.
00:13:50
Tiago
It's a collaborative process, so a lot of people are involved. What I try to bring bring for the table, one thing that I like is sci-fi IPs. There's a couple that i I really like.
00:14:03
Tiago
One of them is Star Trek and one of the other one is Stargate. I like all of the Star stuff. I like Star Wars wars as well, i don't I just don't think it makes its its way into Malediction as much.
00:14:16
Tiago
And for specifically what what I like about those sci-fi franchises, well, there's a couple of things. First, sci-fi just gets to be weirder than fantasy, generally speaking.
00:14:30
Tiago
And I like the the weird stuff that they do. And I like to bring that into the world of malediction a little bit. So I just sprinkle it around somewhere, some of that that sci-fi weirdy goodness, which I love.
00:14:44
m3rcier
or This is going to be an awesome tie back to another episode. i don't remember which one.
00:14:49
Garrett
I was about to say yes.
00:14:49
m3rcier
You said Stargate.
00:14:52
Nick
so
00:14:52
m3rcier
The Ori. Is the Oathbound Light like the Ori's power?
00:14:53
Tiago
I remember that, Manu.
00:14:56
m3rcier
is it it's It's not like the ice cream where it's like a a cup full of liquid power. Is it like the Ori's where it's just prayers that's in some other dimension or something? No.
00:15:07
Tiago
Oh, we can talk about
00:15:07
m3rcier
i don't know if you can tell us that yet or not, but ah that's where I went to that I thought it was, the Oathbound Light is kind of like the Ori's power.
00:15:10
Nick
that's it
00:15:14
m3rcier
It's basically prayers and souls and
00:15:17
Tiago
It's not exactly. like We can talk about the the the you know how magic world works in Malediction and where that power comes from, but I will say that the the oath-bound light is an actual power.
00:15:31
Tiago
and i think yeah We actually kind of revealed that in the ah in the article about the seven rites, because we do say that there that the oath-bound light is bound...
00:15:40
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:15:44
Tiago
to both the shards of the throne of Oster and to the Lucidii that wield them. So that's like the Oathbound Light is a power that exists.
00:15:55
Tiago
It's just a pool of the souls of the of the people of the order who who die. ah And then that power gets to be you know distributed and allocated by the Lucidii, basically.
00:16:11
m3rcier
say
00:16:11
Tiago
theres There's a little bit more to it than that, but you know if if we're breaking it down into you know what is what is happening here, that's what the Oathbound Light is.
00:16:24
m3rcier
I was going to go with a Harry Potter reference, but I can't remember. What are Voldemort's little things? His Horocruxes.
00:16:29
Nick
The Horcruits.
00:16:29
m3rcier
So the Lucidi or Horocruxes for the Oath of the Enlight.
00:16:30
Tiago
yeah
00:16:33
Garrett
Yeah, Ossur's soul a little bit. Hold on, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Hold on, hold on.
00:16:37
m3rcier
We are.
00:16:37
Garrett
ah Hold up.
00:16:38
m3rcier
we got We do have one more question. ah So it's kind of a, goes back to the our last episode, with which is what is life like in Selegia.
00:16:49
m3rcier
If you are an everyday person, not a seeker, you know, not the seeker's compatriots that go in and out of the malediction with them. If you were just a normal person, you have your normal life, we just assume, you know, normality.
00:17:05
m3rcier
What's it like when you step into the malediction? What's the difference between the malediction world and then the normal world on Selegia?
The Stormgate and Sea of Silence
00:17:11
Tiago
o Okay, so you you walk in, you cross one of the gates, and you know there's a whole process to to crossing some of them, but let's say you cross one of the gates into the malediction, and immediately you just... First, you you feel different. Like, the malediction, it's oppressive. It's...
00:17:34
Tiago
corrosive to the soul, like just being there, it's noxious, right? Not everyone can do it. The seekers can remain there for longer, but even even seekers eventually have to to leave and recover for a bit before going back in. And if you are a regular person, you're just not going to last that long.
00:17:57
Tiago
But, ah you know, supposing you do, supposing you survive and you manage to walk into the malediction and track in there for a while, trying to look for a way out or looking for for something, right? Looking for a relic. You may look at the sky and the sky is cracked. It's it's broken. And you can, like, see shards of... um realities that never were like something like you can look at the sky and see the sun and the stars at the same time or or you can see different versions of the the moon reality itself within the malediction it's it's not a constant it's what i will say uh
00:18:43
Garrett
Oh, that's super cool.
00:18:45
Nick
A man.
00:18:45
Tiago
Yeah, it's like the the Starcast Halls, actually. like even like One of the things for the Starcast Halls is the idea that they were like these ancient observatories and that you know even if it's daytime, you can walk into them and you can see what the sky looks looks like or is supposed to look like. ah And it's kind of the only constant version of the sky that you have right now because because it's kind of a little bit of ah ah an illusion, right? It's an instrument that was created long ago. And, you know,
00:19:22
Tiago
you As you are tracking through the malediction, it doesn't necessarily stay the same. like You're not necessarily going to be able to retrace your steps. And every time you walk in it's a little bit different and and the dangers have changed and some some of the terrain features may have changed or or moved places. There are places that we are calling anchors, which are places that are a little bit more constant, a little bit more stable within the malediction, and those are used as guiding points by the seekers, so you can kind of bounce from anchor to anchor, but those are few and far between.
00:20:13
Tiago
And there are places, you know, I've mentioned that some places in the Malediction, you know, when you when we return to it, they may not not be there anymore.
00:20:25
Tiago
Some of them kind of disturbingly seem to have just walked away. Like the place that they were is still there, but a city is not, for instance. So that's the sort of weird stuff that you face within the malediction. Not to mention the other seekers, which you know is another danger that you have to contend with.
00:20:49
Garrett
Oh man, this is actually a lot more different than I thought the malediction was because I imagined it's kind of being like weird in a way that it's difficult to like go across. But like the idea that it's you're stepping into a place that's reality is breaking. You can see other things.
00:21:05
Garrett
That's awesome. You mentioned the process to cross the gates.
00:21:08
m3rcier
a
00:21:09
Garrett
Can you say one of those? What does that mean?
00:21:13
Tiago
Oh, okay. So I'm going to say the one for the Stormgate. So if you look at the map, you we have the Stormgate, then you have a ah kind a kind of, it's not bay, but it's like the Tempest Maw, and then you have a huge bay, which is which is the Sea of Silence. It's a sea, right?
00:21:34
Tiago
What's happened there is that the Storm Gate used to be a gate. It's one of the great places where the where it was broken during the Everlasting War. And it remains broken. And even though the Godrom sacrificed himself, the malediction is leaking out a little bit there.
00:21:56
Tiago
Which is a problem.
00:21:57
Nick
Ooh.
00:21:58
Garrett
Oh, what? Okay, we gotta write that down.
00:21:59
Tiago
Yeah.
00:21:59
Nick
Ooh.
00:22:00
Garrett
Hold on, hold hold
00:22:01
Tiago
So the the reason, like the the Sea of Silence is the Sea of Silence because there's absolutely no wind there. So if you are sailing, you're going to have a hard time. You're going to have to use other methods to navigate it. And then the Tempest Maw is the opposite.
00:22:20
Tiago
oh And that's why the Conclave has the Stormcrash rest there, which is kind of their base of operations that they use to... ah That's where the expeditions that go into the malediction for the Conclave depart from.
00:22:37
Nick
Wow.
00:22:39
Garrett
Oh, wow. Okay. Hold on. All right.
00:22:41
Tiago
i will I will say that it' it's an involved process for the Conclave.
00:22:42
Garrett
Uh, that's
00:22:42
m3rcier
Do they sell to the gate?
00:22:42
Nick
So, yeah, was like, the process of crossing the gate is is getting to the gate.
00:22:49
Tiago
Like, so some of the other games are... oh Sorry?
00:22:49
Garrett
man.
00:22:54
m3rcier
Do they sell from the rest up to the gate, or do they traverse on land? How are they getting to that gate?
00:23:01
Tiago
No, the conclave sails to the gate, because the gate is like the the gate is in water.
00:23:05
m3rcier
That was a good one.
00:23:07
Tiago
There's like a big river inside Malediction that is coming out of that gate.
00:23:07
Nick
He's in the water.
00:23:11
Tiago
like
00:23:12
Garrett
Oh.
00:23:13
Tiago
like It used to be a gate. It used to be kind of the main port for the Astarian Paradox, for the Triumvirate.
00:23:18
Nick
Oh, that makes sense.
00:23:19
Tiago
Yeah.
00:23:20
Nick
Yeah.
00:23:21
m3rcier
It's it' a sea gate, so um we're going to assume you sell through the gate and then you'd be be like in a port for Osterath, but ah it has since been corrupted.
00:23:28
Tiago
yes
00:23:32
m3rcier
Interesting.
00:23:32
Garrett
So what why does the Conclave not teleport instead of sailing?
00:23:33
Tiago
Yeah. that' that's a good ah that's a good thing for us to mention. There are a couple of limits to to the conclave's transposition.
00:23:46
Tiago
right So to do it really long distance, you you do need to have a tower. And not all places in the continent have one. Stormcrash rest has one.
00:23:57
Tiago
So that's that's one that we have.
00:23:59
m3rcier
Number two. That's number two.
00:24:01
Tiago
Yeah. I can actually tell you guys.
00:24:03
Nick
Right then.
00:24:04
Tiago
I think it was ah a question that you get I said in the document for later on. I can actually tell you guys the locations of a couple of them. So there's one in the Citadel that you guys, you know, we've mentioned in the this week's lore article. There's Stormcrash Rest.
00:24:20
Tiago
There are a couple in the Conclave Isles. So Nexus has one and Avalon has one. ah And then there's one in Gateway. And all of those are really close together, but the Conclave still uses them just to avoid navigating the Churning Sea.
00:24:39
Garrett
Oh yeah, which, okay, yeah. The turning C is also very dangerous.
00:24:43
Tiago
yeah ah The Conclave does have other towers you know spread around the the the continent. ah There are a couple of hurdles with that. Each tower has to be activated, so someone has to go there and activate it.
00:24:59
Tiago
ah There's one somewhere in Paxos, and you know it's going to be a little bit of they're going to have a little bit of trouble getting through the Primal Blood to set up camp inside Paxos.
00:25:15
m3rcier
What would that be? There's outpost there. Laravos. Laravos. It's just south of Paxos on an island.
00:25:22
Tiago
Laravos. Yeah, but that's not that's not the one that I'm talking about. There's one like inside the terrain of...
00:25:27
m3rcier
Okay.
00:25:28
Nick
like in the land
00:25:29
Tiago
Yeah.
00:25:29
Garrett
inside Paxos, was that set up like a long time ago, like before Avakra's heart and everything was set up?
00:25:31
Tiago
Yeah.
00:25:32
m3rcier
It's hidden.
00:25:36
Tiago
No, look, all...
00:25:37
Nick
sort the the everlasting would have right
00:25:40
Tiago
Yeah, all of the towers, ah they are Mercus's towers of transposition, right? They were built by Mercus, and they were built kind of at the beginning of the Age of the Everlasting, when the when they Everlasting were still on speaking terms with each other.
00:25:57
Tiago
ah And then after tea you know kind of a cold war started and then a ah hot war started, they kind of a lot of them were were broken or defaced.
00:26:09
Tiago
And you know a lot of them were were just hidden. Like the the one the Citadel is an example of that.
00:26:19
Tiago
Like they survived that.
00:26:20
m3rcier
fainter And I don't think we know what happened to Mercos either. He's one of the ones where we're not sure what happened if my memory...
00:26:27
Nick
I think he just disappears. Yeah. We don't get a confirmed death or anything.
00:26:32
Tiago
Yeah.
00:26:33
Garrett
No body, no proof.
00:26:35
m3rcier
Yeah. We we have a we have a list of it somewhere, but I can't remember which one. we have like We were talking about it before episode two there.
00:26:42
Nick
Yeah. think it's like the first or second episode.
00:26:44
m3rcier
13, know of six of them, so there's five left over, but now I can't find my list.
00:26:50
Tiago
but we know We know of eight of them, technically.
00:26:50
m3rcier
Anyways.
00:26:52
Nick
Yeah.
00:26:53
m3rcier
Eight of them.
00:26:53
Tiago
Yeah.
00:26:53
m3rcier
Sorry. I can't i can't do math.
00:26:54
Tiago
Yeah, and they're sort like...
00:26:55
m3rcier
Okay.
00:26:56
Nick
Wow.
00:26:59
Tiago
ah
00:27:01
Garrett
Wow. i I'm so I'm very intrigued by this idea of the malediction leaking out of the malediction, um, like growing, like the idea of this malediction like comes out. Is that why feel like we're getting off topic. Is that why the ruins of Tenebria are right there? Is that related to this and the last gate and stuff?
00:27:18
Tiago
Oh, there there's a, yeah, it's a little bit of that. ah But the Forlorn Peninsula kind of became the Forlorn Peninsula even before the fall. It it wasn't much long before the fall, but, you know, it was a whole thing. I'm not going to get too much into it because we are working on some content right now for, you know,
00:27:43
Tiago
The way these things go, it it may or may not move forward. What I can say is that there is another tower of transposition in the ruins of Tenebria.
00:27:55
Tiago
the A conclave expedition was sent there, and technically they they managed to reactivate it. But everyone who has been sent to Ted Tower since then has not reported back, has not come back.
00:28:12
Nick
Never saw again.
00:28:13
Tiago
Yeah.
00:28:14
Garrett
Oh, man. and You're going to leave it like...
00:28:14
Tiago
So...
00:28:16
Nick
m
00:28:16
Garrett
but Wow, what a cliffhanger. All right, we'll wait.
00:28:17
Nick
yeah I'm good.
00:28:18
Tiago
Yeah.
00:28:18
Nick
I'm looking forward to that article.
00:28:19
Garrett
We'll wait. Okay. Okay.
00:28:22
m3rcier
Mm-hmm.
00:28:23
Tiago
Oh, and last thing about the gates, which is one of the reasons why they are... It's a bit of a hurdle. It's that... One of the, that you kind of need Liastrom to power the gates, but one of the few things that can't be transposed, that can't be teleported and in this way, is Liastrom.
00:28:47
Tiago
So ah it has like it has caused some some disastrous accidents. So the conclave doesn't do it anymore. And they have to actually you know sail around the continent.
00:29:00
Tiago
They they have to actually take Liastrum from the Moloch Oracle and physically transport it through around the continent.
00:29:04
Nick
Mondreal, yeah.
00:29:09
Tiago
that's why they they still need to use the golden roads they are one of the few factions that still does sailing despite the danger of it they just need to get their resources to where they you know to different parts of the continent
00:29:23
Garrett
interesting well okay so so that means like uh lon leondral laundry she she like can't teleport then right would because of her uh her legacy right because it's like made of liastrum
00:29:25
m3rcier
Thank
00:29:31
Nick
andudrelia
00:29:39
Tiago
Oh no, that her legacy is different. Her legacy is special and Londria is special.
00:29:44
Garrett
okay okay
00:29:44
Tiago
It's is one of the things with her. It's like, well, that bit of liestrum, because liestrum is an amorphous substance that can't be, you know, the mages of the conclave have been trying for a thousand years to stabilize it, to make it easier to use, to make it so it doesn't poison them when they use it.
00:30:09
Tiago
Laundrielle's little bit of crystallized diastrum is that, but it's also her legacy.
00:30:19
Tiago
And it's kind of one of the reasons that the Conclave was very interested in her when they found her in the Order. This is like, oh, is that the solution that we've been looking for?
00:30:33
Nick
It's the holy grail of Leastrom research.
00:30:35
Garrett
Yeah, they gotta reverse-reverse-magic it.
00:30:36
Tiago
now
00:30:36
Nick
a
00:30:39
Tiago
Yeah, I will say that, you know, for gameplay reasons, if you teleport a mage, if you use Ambly's transposition, they're not going to blow up.
00:30:53
m3rcier
where these Maybe we do an alt mode where they do.
00:30:57
Tiago
Yeah.
00:30:57
Garrett
Oh no.
00:30:58
Nick
The lore accurate malediction game.
00:31:00
Garrett
Ha!
00:31:01
m3rcier
Would be very different. ah All right. Do we want to move into the the new lore articles? This week we got two at a time.
00:31:12
Tiago
Yep.
00:31:12
m3rcier
They're related, but we did get two.
00:31:15
Tiago
Yep.
00:31:16
Garrett
Yes.
00:31:16
m3rcier
And they were, I would say, a decent amount longer than the ones we've normally gotten.
00:31:21
Nick
I would say that my first one huge.
00:31:23
Garrett
Yeah, much longer.
00:31:23
m3rcier
We do have one piece of artwork.
00:31:30
Garrett
there's a couple here.
00:31:30
m3rcier
you want to
00:31:30
Garrett
it's a couple couple new ones.
00:31:32
Tiago
I think there's a couple of new ones.
00:31:33
m3rcier
You want to take the first one, Garrett?
00:31:35
Garrett
Yeah, I'll, uh, that's what I was writing notes right before we went on here. Um, all right. So the first one here is by our special guest, of course, uh, the seven rights. And, we've been doing this thing where we read the quote first, uh, cause the quotes are always really good. So good job. Um,
00:31:52
Garrett
The wall of Galdrun has been breached and the enemies now trample upon sacred ground. Some believe the twilight of the world is upon us, but I say, as long as our words are carried by faithful hearts, we will remain. The death to come is but a test of faith, and even if Ostereth falls, it shall bloom somewhere else stronger.
00:32:14
Garrett
We taught the pillars of faith, the bastions of the honored order to defeat chaos, faith to defeat apathy, punishment to defeat heresy. As long as our empire stands on these cornerstones, even Emory will shudder at our majesty.
00:32:31
Garrett
These are my words go forth and persevere the word of Valcaris. Uh, that's pretty epic quote, very order, very obviously order of the shattered throne. Uh, really thinking of them thinking of themselves high and mighty above, ah the actual goddess they have like trapped.
00:32:48
Garrett
Um, This is really interesting. So this is, ah feel like he's answering our special request of like, we wanted more info on the actual ah order and how everything functions.
00:33:00
Garrett
ah So this one goes back and discuss a little bit of what's happening like during the fall and And so the as we know, Oster, like, his soul gets broken up and put into the the pieces of the throne room, the seven pieces.
00:33:17
Garrett
And there's special servants, the most pious of them, of the triumvirate, were chosen and are put together ah and given these seven shards, essentially, to smuggle out of the city as it's falling, to go set them up set them up in the dinos.
00:33:35
Garrett
And so ah what happens though is they bond with these fragments and become the Lucidi. and yeah Am I saying that right, Lucidi?
00:33:47
Tiago
The lucidity.
00:33:49
Garrett
Lucidi, okay, the Lucidi. And from there, Lucidi, the three are are elevated basically three of these seven at first are elevated uh justice faith and redemption and these like they become like the leaders of the uh new order that's coming out of the situation um and they're you know it's it's they're more than more than mortals less than gods um not you know they're not everlasting uh but obviously the the the power of osir's soul is like beaming through them through these vestiges
00:34:25
Garrett
And then from there, ah seven or four more joined the ranks, essentially bonding with these pieces and become the seven leaders of the order.
00:34:40
Garrett
And from there, ah we get the seven rights. And so each of these, uh, the city become a leader of the seven. And we we've gone over them before, but we've got some changes.
00:34:53
Garrett
some changes, erratas to the order. ah But did you guys want to talk anything about the actual, you know, this this this brief moment in time where the transition from, you know, the triumphant ruling to these guys taking over, like as the city is falling and the maledictions being created?
00:35:15
m3rcier
Yeah, I have a question. On the map, of course, the current map we have is of current times, and there's all know seven of the cities yeah so with the eighth being Midrassil.
00:35:31
m3rcier
The What did it look like back then? Because back then, the Order wasn't populated in the Dinus as much. If memory serves, there was the Knights of Karn out there, but not much else, maybe.
00:35:43
Tiago
Yes.
00:35:45
m3rcier
So when everything moved out there, basically they the people they sent out, they were able to get out escape the siege and get out there. Is that the bulk of it, or have they built most of the Dinus up since then?
00:36:00
Tiago
Yeah, they had to they had to rebuild an empire, right? And it it would be the equivalent of the Roman Empire falling and then the last remnants of it rebuilding in like Spain or something.
00:36:15
Tiago
right in the Iberic Peninsula instead of Italy.
00:36:17
Nick
Yeah.
00:36:18
Tiago
like and Because it it was one of the provinces. And dinuss the idea is that at one point the Triumvirate, they weren't just limited to to to inside the Wall of Galdrum.
00:36:32
Tiago
They were spread out through the continent And during the Everlasting War, they were pushed back, but there were still the Knights of Charm were still in Dinas, fighting the the good fight, so to speak.
00:36:47
Tiago
ah and And just so, you know... When wars like thee like these happen, you know it's not like everyone is fighting. So there were people living throughout the continent that either followed the the rule of the Triumvirate or of their enemies, that didn't necessarily join the fight directly, and they were just people, they were just you know farmers and stuff like that.
00:37:12
Tiago
And those kind of became the first... but those were the first people to be converted to the new order of the world. Does that answer your question?
00:37:26
m3rcier
Yeah, so it was essentially it was just the the carn were up there and it was an outpost.
00:37:31
Tiago
Yeah, the there were there are a couple of things.
00:37:31
m3rcier
And.
00:37:33
Tiago
Astaris is the the city that was built ah you know built for the order.
00:37:34
Garrett
Thank you.
00:37:39
Tiago
I believe Tempras was already there as a city in the and the lake, and Reliquary as well, and Charm, as you mentioned. Everything else was kind of built built up later.
00:37:51
Nick
Like later, yeah.
00:37:52
Tiago
Yeah.
00:37:52
m3rcier
So I guess one interesting thing, just looking at the map, When the Primal came back from Ori, did they come south through Dinus or did they come along one of the coasts to come back?
00:38:06
Tiago
Nope, they came through to Dynas and that's kind of one of the reasons that the Triumvirate, during the war and after they defeated Avakra, that they set up shop in Dynas to block the way from Oeri, because not necessarily all of the Oerican came with Avakra, right? So that's the idea, they they blocked the pass so that they wouldn't be caught unaware again.
00:38:35
Garrett
Oh, that's super interesting.
00:38:35
Nick
so maybe maybe in the future we'll see a uh you know an oari uh pilgrimage from the north or something yeah well and and that fits too i think in the lore primer we the uh vakra they they their original like
00:38:42
Garrett
non-corrupted. ah They're gonna come down here and meet their brothers in the Paxos and be like, what the hell happened?
00:38:47
m3rcier
Yeah.
00:38:53
Nick
March wasn't violent. It was very much just like, hey, we want to free the goddess kind of like more a little more peaceful, right?
00:39:02
Tiago
Yeah, and that was kind of the that was kind of the main problem. ah That was more dangerous than if she had come with an army right away. ah Because she was making sense to a lot of people and people were being converted away from the Triumvirate.
00:39:22
Nick
Oh, man.
00:39:23
Nick
glad Glad that's never happened in history.
00:39:23
Garrett
man.
00:39:24
m3rcier
And
00:39:28
m3rcier
so I went back and I made a list of the everlasting real quick. So we know nine of them. So there's four that are unknown. I'm just going to take a guess. you You can answer however you want.
00:39:39
m3rcier
ah So we know of the ones we know of, we know they were all on the continent and they were either already dead or they were fighting the triumvirate. The four we don't know, I'm going to speculate that they might have went to to other continents.
00:39:53
m3rcier
because there's one we don't know anything about them, but other first children left. So i want to I'm going to speculate that some of these guys aren't here, weren't present on Selegia when the malediction was formed.
00:40:07
Tiago
Yeah, so I think one of the things that I can say is that, the because because I think we do say this in the lore primers, so the the world is bigger, the world of Agnarr is bigger than Seligia. There are other continents. So there's Oerii to the north. There is a continent, kind of an Arctic or Antarctic, actually, continent to the south there.
00:40:31
Tiago
ah And there may be a couple more. ah And the first children, they had spread around the the entire planet before the the Great Wounding.
00:40:43
Tiago
And the everlasting kind of went to wherever the the first children were to... Because they they kind of you know they they kind of bound God and they made everyone mortal, created the curse of death. So they kind of had to make make amends.
00:41:03
Tiago
some of you know Some of them were actually trying to make amends, such as Avakra, Ptum Revellum as well. Others were much more interested in you know becoming the the gods of their own empires.
00:41:17
Nick
Yeah. So we could maybe in the future get a story about like an everlasting that's traveled across the world and they don't even know about malediction. Right.
00:41:27
Tiago
Oh, I think they would know something went wrong because when the malediction happened, like when the fall happened, the magic magic broke.
00:41:37
Tiago
like like it I will say that the everlasting would have felt it, right? Because what what happened with the great wounding is that they made themselves...
00:41:45
Nick
Right.
00:41:50
Tiago
they kind of connected themselves to the source of the power.
00:41:52
Nick
Thank you.
00:41:54
Tiago
It wasn't just a ah one-time thing. ah So they have... Even, you know, Avakra could... What happened with Avakra specifically was that after the After the Everlasting, the 13, were infused with the power of Avakra and became the Everlasting,
00:42:19
Tiago
Avakra's connection to Emiri's deepened, right?
00:42:25
Tiago
And that's kind of when she realized that what they had done maybe wasn't as right as they as they had hoped, I will say.
00:42:25
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:42:38
Tiago
So, yeah, so the everlasting would have felt the fall, but there were also ah outward signs of it. Like the weather turned scree for a while, like the the first couple hundred years of the Age of Strife. You know, it's called the Age of Strife for a reason.
00:42:57
Tiago
You can imagine, you know, earthquakes and hurricanes, like the world almost died during the fall.
00:43:03
Nick
Wow. Yeah. So it was a world shaking event. Okay.
00:43:05
Tiago
Yeah, that's why it took so long for for you know the factions to grow and recover.
00:43:14
Garrett
I never even thought about the magic breaking, so you'd be like, what the heck's going on immediately? I like that. I like the idea of that. ah Okay. um Going back to our story here.
00:43:26
Nick
I was like, we got a little off track.
00:43:27
Tiago
Sorry, sorry.
00:43:28
Garrett
Yeah, yeah. No, you're good. ah That's why we're here. So so anyways, after the the three leave and then the four more join, they're they're creating a new government, right? ah a new government in Astaris, Astaris.
00:43:43
Garrett
ah How are you guys saying it? I keep saying Astaris.
00:43:45
Tiago
Astorias.
00:43:46
Garrett
Astaris? Okay, great.
00:43:47
m3rcier
stories.
00:43:49
Garrett
So at this point, um we get more information from this story about how like the Oathbound Light works, which is great. so And we talked about this a little bit in the interview, but the ah the Seven control how the Oathbound Light is basically dished out and um wielded and so because they're connected to these vestiges the vestige and and the the lucity themselves are the oathbound light keepers so uh that instead of having like the the sphere over in the conclave i mean these guys essentially are that sphere or avakra's like heart
00:44:34
Garrett
So that's like where it's contained, which answers our, our longstanding question is what contains the Oathbound light? Um, which is great. Uh, oh, sorry. Did you say something?
00:44:44
Tiago
Yeah, was just going say that the way that I like to think about it is that the outbound light isn't a cloud, but the cloud is just someone else's computer, right which is the the thing with the cloud.
00:44:56
Nick
Right.
00:44:56
Garrett
Yes.
00:44:57
Tiago
It has to be, yeah.
00:44:57
Garrett
Yeah. Yeah. That's a great way to think about it. Um, yeah, so that's how they can, and that's how they control, like who gets, you know, extra life and whose life is shortened because they can manipulate it, um,
00:45:10
Garrett
And so, and then, so from here, so we have these, uh, these lucity and then it's unclear. We don't know if the,
00:45:22
Garrett
If they're immortal or not, it does mention that there's an ascension. So there's obviously new ones get made, but perhaps those new ones are only the the four getting replaced because it's unknown if the original three are immortal or not, because they're always, you never get to see who they are. They're always covered head to clothe and fine cloth and golden masks.
00:45:41
Garrett
So um are I guess I'll ask, are they immortal? I mean, obviously i would not, I would think not like they probably live a really long time, but they're probably getting replaced every couple of hundred years at least.
00:45:52
Tiago
Yeah, what what i will say is that, you know, you can live a very long life if you are a scepter, one of the scepters. And, you know, some people kind of just assume that the lucid are the same but the same people with the same bodies that they've always always had.
00:46:14
Tiago
It's a little bit, you know, talking a little a little bit about, you know, ah Star Trek and Stargate. ah Stargate has to go a wood and Star Trek has the the thrill. And for those who don't know, those are symbiotic species, right? Like the, the or in the case of the go, they are parasitic, I guess. But it's the idea that, you know, you have two beings that form one.
00:46:41
Garrett
Oh, interesting. So like, oh, wow.
00:46:42
Tiago
With...
00:46:43
Garrett
Okay.
00:46:44
Tiago
Yeah, with the with the vestiges and with even with some of the legacies, that is also kind of true, right? So even if someone, ah even ah if one of the Lucid, like let's say that the Lucid of, let's say, yeah, let's say that one of the Lucid dies and the vestige is passed on to someone else.
00:47:09
Tiago
That lucidity, in a sense, remains in the body of the next person, which is kind of the same thing that happens with ah with the monarch of the dead in the Legion, right?
00:47:22
Tiago
It's just ah the vestige uses up the body. In the Legion, it's clear. Like, the vestige uses up the body and just kind of throws it away. In the order, it's unclear. Like, people are not sure what exactly happens.
00:47:36
Garrett
Oh, interesting. Okay.
00:47:37
Nick
it's it's very yeah so like the the lucidi yeah because like they have sorry
00:47:39
Garrett
So it's like souls passing down. Yeah,
00:47:42
m3rcier
I got a Lord of the Rings reference. It's like the ring. It's a vestige that wears your body and your soul out.
00:47:52
Garrett
a little bit.
00:47:52
Tiago
Sure, sure. okay
00:47:53
Nick
yeah yeah i'm thinking so the lucidi to me they really like this is almost like as close as we're getting to like
00:47:53
Garrett
I'm thinking about Dax from DSpace9 now. um Worms in your stomach.
00:48:03
Nick
beating the curse of death right the lucidi are so close to like these vestiges of austin of a vestige of the everlasting and they're drawing from the oathbound light which is just like pure soul magic from all of the followers all of the church like they they would be a the least affected by aging and the curse of death right
00:48:24
Tiago
Yeah, I would say that, you know, when we talk about beating the curse of death death or or defeating death for the Legion, that has ah ah an actual like that has an actual particular particular meaning. They are not just interested in finding a way to beat death for one person. They are interested in doing this for everyone. So the the method the the Lucid are using is not actually a good one in their view because it it would require the sacrifice and the deaths of others.
00:48:59
Nick
Right, for one person to read Jim Rortout.
00:49:00
Tiago
Yeah.
00:49:02
Nick
Yeah, ah more points for the Legion in my book.
00:49:05
Tiago
Yeah. yeah
00:49:06
Garrett
Look, looking out for the common man.
00:49:07
Tiago
Sure, sure.
00:49:09
m3rcier
Listen, if if you don't think Vorenhall will deny some people that power, you're crazy.
00:49:09
Nick
Yeah.
00:49:14
Garrett
Whatever, whatever he'll be handled. Um, okay.
00:49:17
Nick
He'll be handled.
00:49:17
Garrett
so anyway
00:49:17
Nick
He'll be handled.
00:49:18
Garrett
so anyways, so anyways, uh, so we've, so we've got these, uh, lucidii, which are, we talk about them being immortal or whatever, or like passing down souls, but they're like, they're sentient, but like also they're a channel basically for Oster at this point and enacting his will maybe.
00:49:39
Garrett
Is that true? Like, like how much control does Oster still have? Because I know that Moloch is like still alive in the Conclave. They don't know he is, but he is there, like in the in the sphere.
00:49:50
Nick
Beyond the veil.
00:49:50
Garrett
Like is Oster still like, guiding the order from these shards?
00:49:57
Tiago
I will say but okay i will say that the... how I put this? i'm trying to I'm trying to think of a way of saying it without giving too much away. So here's what I'll say. I'll say that the Septas have, like,
00:50:15
Tiago
Most normal people never even see the Lucid. But the Septas do. The Septas meet with the Lucid on a kind of semi-regular basis. ah And from what they describe to other people and when they you know when they are meeting, the Lucid are different people.
00:50:36
Tiago
They have different personalities, and they want different things. even though they are all bonded with vestiges of Oster.
00:50:47
Tiago
So it's a little bit like went when the throne was shattered, it's almost like osard Oster himself was shattered as well.
00:50:59
Tiago
So it's not so it's not necessarily like
00:50:59
Garrett
Ooh, interesting. Okay.
00:51:02
Tiago
one person with one will. The Lucidii do guide the order and the Lucidii do, you know rule over the order in a sense, but it's not ah but it's not as easy as, okay, this author decides what's going to happen.
00:51:20
Nick
Right, it's not unified.
00:51:22
Garrett
Interesting.
00:51:22
Nick
um So that brings up an interesting question too. have They have the shards of the throne. Why don't they try to bring them together?
00:51:30
Tiago
Oh, there's a couple of reasons for that. ah One of them is that the the secrets to the creation of relics, legacies, and vestiges have been lost since the fall.
00:51:43
Garrett
Thank you.
00:51:45
Tiago
And people don't even necessarily know how to fix them if they break. Like, the easiest thing would be maybe a ah relic, which is the the you know lower level of power.
00:51:50
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:51:58
Tiago
But to create a vestige, it requires it requires um a momentous effort.
00:52:08
Tiago
Even with the Oathbound Light, they haven't quite figured that out yet.
00:52:13
Nick
Right. I think we we know the only vestiges we've seen have been all been created by Everlasting, right?
00:52:18
Tiago
Yeah. So that's the first reason. ah the The second reason, and that one may be, ah they are, even if they bring the the power, okay, so when the the Shards were bonded with the Lucity way back when, they kind of have they kind of had just the power of Oster.
00:52:42
Tiago
And even then, there was no single vessel that could sustain the full power of Oster. They still don't have that.
00:52:53
Nick
Mm-hmm.
00:52:54
Tiago
Beyond just the power of Oster, the shards are now also the anchor for the Oathbound Light. So it's even harder now.
00:53:04
Garrett
Oh man. Okay. Well, I'm gonna have to re-listen and take so many notes. Um, so, okay.
00:53:09
m3rcier
and And it also brings up a good point that relics can no longer be created.
00:53:09
Garrett
Uh,
00:53:14
m3rcier
Not just vestiges or legacies. Relics can't be. Because we were they were cut off from the actual pure echo that was used to create them. Now all we get is the tainted primal echo.
00:53:27
m3rcier
Correct me.
00:53:27
Tiago
Yeah.
00:53:29
Garrett
interesting okay all right so we keep saying the word septa uh what that is is the lucides uh mortal administrators and these are appointed um as the ones doing the actual like decision making.
00:53:45
Garrett
So these are like an appointed ah you know senator, congressman, or a governor of a city or area, or in this case, not a city or area, but of the actual rights and how the rights are conducted daily. so um And then the septas, they only meet twice a year.
00:54:01
Garrett
And then they, of course, have their own septas. They have ah the servants of the septas doing all the actual grunt work. um So, and then, okay, so we had the order of the shadow throne episode a while ago now.
00:54:16
Garrett
Um, I can't even, it was like one of our first or or second or third episodes.
00:54:19
Nick
It first faction overview, yeah.
00:54:20
Garrett
Yeah. So we talked about the rights then, but I want to do the rights one more time. Um, cause we've gotten a new one and then the next story is related to this new, uh, replacement name.
00:54:31
Garrett
Uh, but the first one of course is the right of law. And this is like your main, like, this is the actual government of the order. Uh, they're in charge of justice rules. ah They're seated Asteris.
00:54:44
Garrett
it's This is who you think of when you think of the government of the order. And then we have the Rite of Valkyris. And these are like the main priests. And they keep the word of Valkyris, which of course was written by an everlasting known as the Voice of Faith.
00:54:59
Garrett
ah They are the ones going out and doing conversions of people like willingly. instead of doing like forced conversions and we'll put willingly in quotation marks.
00:55:10
Garrett
And they're also the diplomatic arm because they're ah charming and have tact. And they also run the education system where they screen people for potential of wielding oath bound light, like becoming Valkyris priests.
00:55:26
Garrett
And they're in temperance. and so if you If you follow along on the map at home, there's like these cities are all in like this nice circle, all connected by roads, except for one, which we'll talk about why.
00:55:39
Garrett
ah And so now the most interesting thing about the Rite of Vicarious, and I'm going to talk about this next, is we've been looking at New Ostrath every episode and thinking about it. And I always think of it as like Asgiliath with Minas Tirith, like on the edge of the like between Mordor and Gondor.
00:55:58
Garrett
But aer new Acerath is set up literally to ah go, it's like a missionary city to convert and cleanse primal blood people.
00:56:09
Garrett
And I think that is really cool. Like it's not a it's not really a military campt encampment. It's a like a ah outreach program for the order.
00:56:18
Garrett
Yeah.
00:56:19
Nick
It can be both.
00:56:20
Tiago
Yeah, I will say that it kind of has to be both.
00:56:24
Nick
Yeah.
00:56:24
Garrett
yeah
00:56:24
Nick
Yeah. Sometimes the primal blood, they don't allow it to be a peaceful.
00:56:31
Nick
Yeah. Now these are our missionaries. Yep.
00:56:35
Garrett
So I thought that was really neat. Because they're right on the edge. So I imagine, like what what's the what is the process for um converting like a a kith from the primal blood? okay like This can't be easy. What what are they doing? i don't
00:56:53
Tiago
Oh, yes you so you start by beating them up.
00:56:54
Garrett
Are they going into the forest and collecting people?
00:56:56
Nick
pamphlets.
00:56:59
Tiago
you You challenge them, you fight them, and you convert them. So yeah, yeah, basically.
00:57:03
Nick
You show that your your way is right. Yeah.
00:57:07
Tiago
There is a little bit more to it than that, but by and large, that's kind of the this kind of the way that things go.
00:57:07
Nick
Yep.
00:57:15
Garrett
I like it. Okay. Um, all right. So, so that I thought that was really cool. And then the right of the penitent and these are your, uh, inquisitors we called last time the inquisitorium. Uh, and they're the ones going out and they're not really interested in converting people.
00:57:34
Garrett
They're interested in in, purging the heretics, uh, and creating those, what's that unit, the, the penitent that
00:57:41
Nick
The Rivalis Penitent?
00:57:42
Tiago
It's the reverse method.
00:57:42
Garrett
Yeah, that thing, making the making people into that thing.
00:57:43
Tiago
Yeah.
00:57:43
Nick
Oh, yeah.
00:57:45
Garrett
All right, you're going repent for what you've done now. Go out there and and do your job.
00:57:50
Nick
I love i love the Rivalis Penitent.
00:57:50
Garrett
ae
00:57:52
Nick
It's such a cool card. It's a a really cool card. The lore behind it is... eleven it.
00:57:59
Garrett
It's so funny.
00:58:01
Tiago
There is one thing that I will say about the the right of the penitent. ah By and large, the the kind of core, I will say, yeah, I think I can say this.
00:58:13
Tiago
Yeah, I'm the lore master. I can say whatever I want. the
00:58:16
Garrett
Indeed.
00:58:18
Tiago
ah By and large, the kind of horrors they commit, they commit against their own people, against the faithful of the order, against the citizens of Dinahs.
00:58:29
Tiago
They can also do this with the with outsiders, but you can they kind of focus on the people who are of the faith and who have strayed from the path, so to speak.
00:58:43
Nick
Yes, yeah, yeah, because the Rite of Honor and Rite of Alcarus could deal more with the outsiders. With either military protection or, they you know, the spreading the faith and conversion. You don't really need to punish people who haven't really promised anything to your faith yet, right?
00:59:03
Tiago
Yeah.
00:59:06
Nick
Scary.
00:59:06
m3rcier
Internal Affairs.
00:59:07
Nick
Yeah, these are the people you don't want. You don't want these people showing up at your door.
00:59:10
Tiago
Absolutely not.
00:59:11
m3rcier
internal affairs or HR.
00:59:15
Tiago
Both. Why not both?
00:59:17
Nick
Why not vote?
00:59:17
Garrett
Right. And I skipped this last time, but I forgot to say the Rite of Valkyries are stationed in Tempris, which is the city that's on a lake, um which earlier you mentioned about being a really old city.
00:59:31
Garrett
Is there any more to that?
00:59:33
Tiago
Oh, no, it it was just that it was, ah at the time, it was just a kind of really defensible position. You know, have your fortress on the middle of a of a lake.
00:59:44
Tiago
ah But it it has since become the, within the order, it's the holiest city. It's the city where you have multiple cathedrals to the different, you know, for the different rights.
00:59:55
Nick
It's like the Vatican.
00:59:59
Tiago
Yeah.
01:00:00
Garrett
Oh, cool.
01:00:00
Tiago
Yeah.
01:00:00
Nick
Vatican of the order.
01:00:01
m3rcier
It's also where the low city meet when they do meet.
01:00:06
Tiago
Yeah.
01:00:07
Garrett
Interesting. I like the idea of a bunch of cathedrals there. And then the penitents are seated in Revelus. ah And that's something <unk> the most northern city of the order, on the map anyways.
01:00:14
Nick
Down the river.
01:00:20
Garrett
i think that's interesting. They're stationed in that area you talked about blocking the Orican from coming down.
01:00:26
Tiago
oh Yeah, the the I think that, you know, there hasn't been any incursions from the north in in quite a while, but I think one of the the main reasons that the Revalos is all the way out there is just to kind of in a kind of very gruesome way, to keep the the screams of the penitent away from the from the rest of the faithful. ah Just to kind of keep things nice and quiet elsewhere. And I think that's the main reason. like that the the but They have to go through the path of penance. which is a whole process that they go through to cleanse themselves and even prove themselves worthy of becoming something like a rivalis penitent.
01:01:17
Tiago
ah And that is, I'm just going to say that it's pretty brutal.
01:01:24
Garrett
Interesting, okay.
01:01:24
m3rcier
The CIA doesn't put their black sites you know out there for the public.
01:01:29
Tiago
Yeah.
01:01:29
Nick
Yeah, and I love the idea that you have it north of Tempurist on the water like that. So you can have you can even have the process procedure of bringing someone to Tempurist for like a trial or or to judge their atonement. And then if they're found unworthy, then put them on a boat, sail them up to Rivalis.
01:01:45
Tiago
Yeah. Yep.
01:01:47
m3rcier
um but I want to interrupt real quick because I got a question. You said cathedrals that are on Tempris. I'm going to guess that there's a at least four different ones because like in Diablo, you have shrines, each one of the gods.
01:02:00
m3rcier
I'm going assume one they have one for each one of the everlasting to include Galdron or Galdron because he was... Wasn't the triumphant, but he was like very loyal to them. So I guess the the faith, do they worship all 13 of the everlasting or just those four with presidents going to the three?
01:02:17
Tiago
no No, that there's a there are the Trios of the Triumvirate and there is Galdron. And Galdron is a very... ah in the same way that the that the order and the rights at the time had to make ones concessions to the right of honor when the right of honor joined. ah They also had to make make some concessions to the Valkyr people when the Valkyr became part of the order and formed and you know formed the initial Rite of the Forge. So there are are those four, and ah there's basically one for each Rite, not all of them are the same size. I would say that the the Cathedral for the Rite of Valkyries Just because the writer of Valkaris is responsible for proselytizing and you know evangelizing the people is the largest one.
01:03:12
Tiago
yeah The cathedral for the right of law is also like, it's not just for worship as well, and many of these, you know, serve multiple functions.
01:03:13
Nick
Yeah.
01:03:23
Tiago
The cathedral for the right of law is also like, it also has a bunch of ah bunch of legal chambers, a bunch of courtrooms where people are judged.
01:03:37
Tiago
So they are different in that way.
01:03:41
Nick
Right.
01:03:41
Garrett
Interesting.
01:03:41
Nick
it's I'm thinking of the same way like the Conclave of the Sphere.
01:03:42
Garrett
Okay.
01:03:44
Nick
Everything's kind of a university, but it's like they have functions that you would expect other industries to cover, but everything is kind of run by, in this case, everything's run by the church.
01:03:51
Tiago
Yeah.
01:03:54
Nick
So everything's in a cathedral, even if it's not like explicitly religious.
01:04:00
Tiago
yes
01:04:01
Nick
Yeah.
01:04:02
Garrett
a good way to convey power it's unified in the idea of the of the order church oathbound light church um okay awesome uh moving on here we've got the right of the forge which is another really interesting one so this was as we discussed uh in our prior episode uh with the fall of midracell with the disease that like ruined it so this was the original uh place where the right of the forge was and the volker
01:04:04
Nick
Right. Exactly. Exactly.
01:04:30
Garrett
were the lucidii, which I think is really neat. Instead of a human, and I think, ah is it is it still a Volker that is that lucidii?
01:04:43
Tiago
That is one of the things that has remained constant. It's, you know, whatever is is is behind that mask is as big as a vocary.
01:04:54
Garrett
Okay, okay, that makes sense. Because that would be an easy one to tell, like, wait a second, this guy is not small, or not big anymore. Okay, so anyways, but and when that fell, they had to transfer the facility to the Citadel, which is pretty close It's down the mountain.
01:05:13
Garrett
um And then they're the ones, of course, in charge of infrastructure, engineers, foraging, ah building walls, siege equipment, etc. And the cool thing is now all you got to do is show talent and you can join the right of the forge. It's not exclusive to the Vol'kyr.
01:05:31
Garrett
it's very ah very, what's the word for it? ah can't I can't think of it. oh but
01:05:37
Nick
accessible or?
01:05:38
Garrett
There we go.
01:05:38
Nick
yeah
01:05:39
Garrett
Accessible. There. All right. So, and then, ah okay, so this is the next so the right of the intermarit. Am saying that right? Intermarit?
01:05:48
Nick
Intem, intemrit maybe?
01:05:48
Tiago
They intolerant.
01:05:51
Garrett
Intermarit. is replacing the Rite of Clarity. ah And now, so this is the one that's in charge of like understanding relics, legacies, vestiges.
01:06:01
Garrett
Like they're the ones doing the research and they have this giant vault, this sweet, sweet vault, the big old doors in the reliquary up in the mountains, the x exp expansionrian it Expantrian Mountains. Anyways, okay, do it let's why did we change the name?
01:06:20
Tiago
Okay, so it it was a little bit of a change of focus with the right of clarity to the right of the intemperate. One of the things that we kind of figured out after we did the lore primer was that the right of clarity didn't really have too much of a reason to go out into the malediction. They could just you know stay behind and just get the the relics and legacies that people brought back to them. So we wanted to make them a little bit more interesting thing than just the relic keepers of the order. We wanted to make them a little bit more active. And you know the there was a little bit of thematic overlap with the right law in in just the fact that they were ah there were also a right that didn't have as much reason to go beyond the boundaries of DINUS. So what we did is that we took the right of clarity and we expanded their functions, so to speak. And then when once we did that and the art team came back with some of the banger art, like the the one that you guys see there in the article, we were like, yeah, clarity doesn't really encompass what we want to to show with this right anymore. So we did the name change. And the intimerates are not just...
01:07:50
Tiago
The intimate are not just the pure, they are the uncorruptible. or incorrept yeah uncorruptible So that's the idea there.
01:08:00
Garrett
I like this, that actually opens up a lot of new unit cards ah potential a lot.
01:08:00
Nick
oh yeah as a uh
01:08:05
Tiago
Yep.
01:08:06
m3rcier
And I think ah think we get our first mention of what the order calls magic users that are not of the order in the term striga.
01:08:16
Tiago
Yep. Yep.
01:08:16
Nick
yeah yeah um yeah i like i love that because a streak is a folklore um
01:08:23
Nick
that's an old myth mythological creature too in our in our world and in malediction it's going to have its own definition but I as a Warhammer 40k player I play the Grey Knights which are basically the uncorruptible Inquisition soldiers so I read this and i was like oh I know what this is all about
01:08:26
Tiago
Yeah.
01:08:43
Garrett
Yeah, we're going to get some cool units out of this. This artwork of the glowing hammer is so cool.
01:08:45
m3rcier
is
01:08:46
Nick
yeah
01:08:48
m3rcier
And he's wearing a... I know it's not, but it looks like the coniclave, like the spear, yeah, it looks like the spear they used to control him, so I'm assuming that's some type of order version, but are most of the seekers part of this rite, or can they be from any rite, but they have to work with this rite?
01:08:53
Nick
The spellbound, yeah.
01:09:05
Tiago
Right.
01:09:08
Tiago
No, no, no. they they have to be They can be from any right, and there are there are reasons for Seekers to belong to to different rights. Like Sigrid, for instance, is a member of the the right of honor, ah while Aurek is a member of the right of the forge.
01:09:23
Garrett
Thank you.
01:09:28
Tiago
ah
01:09:28
Nick
Yeah.
01:09:29
Tiago
But but the the delineation between the rights, once you get to a certain level of power, ah it ah gets a little bit fuzzy because you know both the the legacy that you carry and you yourself become a tool of the order and you know if one of the rites wants to wants to hug you out of themselves the other rights may may have ah something to say about that
01:10:01
Tiago
ah So the the rights try to keep things balanced, and a seeker from from the right of honor may go into a mission at the request of a seeker of the right of of the indemerate, for instance.
01:10:17
Tiago
They have their particular sets of skills which fit particular rights, but the but they can you know ah they can do service for any of the the seven.
01:10:34
Garrett
understood okay so the next right going to talk about is the right of the open um uh and so this thing's cool so uh their whole thing is they're so in the article it's like in the 84th year of the age of legacy um an expedition of the malediction uncovered one of the openham creatures of legend created by the trumpet to protect them from their enemies and so these are like
01:10:41
Tiago
Yep.
01:11:01
Garrett
just super weapons created from the actual flesh of the everlasting, capable of defeating multiple legacy bears at once, raising entire cities. And so how did the order ah
01:11:17
Garrett
convince this? I'm guessing it's somewhat sentient. How did they convince this thing to come back? Because like they built a whole right around it.
01:11:23
m3rcier
They didn't.
01:11:24
Garrett
They didn't? I thought it they brought it back to order.
01:11:25
Nick
they had yeah yeah in the ah Lord Primer that first image on the Order Saturn throne I believe that's that's supposed to be that's the off of them that giant angel that's chained up yeah
01:11:26
m3rcier
No, and in the in the lore, they had to drag it back and they lost thousands of soldiers to do so.
01:11:32
Garrett
Oh, must have completely forgot about that. I have completely...
01:11:40
Tiago
Yep. Yep.
01:11:43
Garrett
I thought... oh that's right. Okay. Oh, my gosh. Yes, it's all coming back. And anyways, but the Wright's whole thing is they're trying to create a vessel, essentially, for the everlasting souls to come back into, which is where our Herald of Salvation...
01:12:00
Garrett
um Angel looking a warrior comes from because their whole thing is just to to exist um to be perfect enough. But like they're trying to create their own version of the Ophanim, but it's obviously impossible.
01:12:15
Garrett
Right.
01:12:16
Tiago
Yeah, what I think what they are doing actually is trying to create you know more powerful, stronger vessels for the for the Everlasting.
01:12:27
Tiago
ah Specifically Oster, but you know the the rest of the Triumvirate and maybe Godran as well. ah but And yeah, it's ah it's a tricky process.
01:12:38
Tiago
right? They haven't quite figured that out yet. They are using the but the... One of the things that we say, and I think we do say this here, yes. So the Ophanim are little bit different because while the other races of the world, they were largely created using the first children as a basis, the Ophanim were created using the flesh of the everlasting, like the their flesh infused with the power of Miras. So that's kind of cool one of the reasons why the Elfenin is different, and why the the right of the Elfenin and the Order as a whole believes that it was worthwhile to dedicate an entire right to this, because if these things were made from the flesh of the...
01:13:28
Tiago
of the everlasting or you know starting off with with their flesh, ah maybe that means that you know something created from them would be a strong enough vessel for the return of Oster, for instance.
01:13:45
Tiago
ah But yeah, creating life is a tricky thing.
01:13:48
Nick
Yeah.
01:13:49
Garrett
Yes.
01:13:50
m3rcier
Yeah, and they're not all they're not all heralds of salvation.
01:13:50
Garrett
um
01:13:54
Tiago
no, no.
01:13:54
m3rcier
it's The herald is what it becomes, but it is, and I can't remember.
01:13:58
m3rcier
I know we know the salvation because they're in the game, but I'm pretty sure we know of another one.
01:14:01
Garrett
Right.
01:14:02
Tiago
There are the hushed as well.
01:14:06
Garrett
Yes.
01:14:08
Tiago
ah
01:14:09
m3rcier
I think we know of and another herald, though, if I remember right.
01:14:12
Nick
is Yeah.
01:14:12
m3rcier
Because it's like a scout or something, I believe, right?
01:14:13
Nick
Yeah, it's in the article.
01:14:19
Nick
have to go back and find the article.
01:14:22
m3rcier
in one the other articles. I just can't remember which one.
01:14:23
Tiago
Yeah, I don't remember it myself. I know that i know that we have a we have an internal list of you know the a couple of different heralds.
01:14:27
Nick
Yeah.
01:14:32
Tiago
I don't remember which one we've talked about already. ah Yeah, I will say that. Oh, sorry, go ahead.
01:14:43
Nick
yeah i was I just say i i want to pull up this line because I really enjoy the way this is kind of explained. um
01:14:50
Tiago
Mm-hmm.
01:14:50
Nick
So, we and like Garrett said, through the process, the Rite is hoping to create the perfect vessel for the return of the Triumphant. And in this you know regard, every Hallowed is technically a failure.
01:15:02
Nick
And then a the right this Rite, the Rite Ofnem, is responsible for disposal of any Hallowed that shows shows signs of faltering or is corrupted by heretical magic.
01:15:02
Tiago
Yeah.
01:15:11
Nick
And I just like the idea that if you are playing a game against a Sigrid player and you they have the Herald Salvation, Just play your Entrap the Mind and send that Herald home.
01:15:23
Garrett
Oh, man. Yeah. And use Anushva to control them. Oh, man.
01:15:29
Tiago
ah
01:15:30
Garrett
OK, so that is that. And so, OK, so the next one is the right of honor, which is our military arm. However, ah that also transitions perfectly into our next article.
01:15:42
m3rcier
Do we want to, I'm gonna pause real quick.
01:15:47
Garrett
Okay. Okay. So you can't tell, but, uh, podcast editing magic, um, we have decided we're going to break this into another episode to do the right of honor. We'll start that. And then our species discussion, uh, with, uh, Tiago here as our special guest still, which is awesome.
01:16:04
Garrett
Um, however, we're going to let Alan wrap this up with special announcements first, and then we'll move on to, uh, the end of this.
01:16:13
m3rcier
Yeah, so we have events like normal. ah On July 12th, we will start the Trials of the Everlasting for July, the online 1v1 tournament that we run every month.
01:16:25
m3rcier
I think we have like 10 people signed up now. So if you haven't, get signed up. If you win, you get your pick of one of the Alt Seekers 3D prints or the Alt Herald of Salvation.
01:16:40
m3rcier
Lone Star Open in Dallas on August 1st. I'll be the TO. o I think we're up to like 12 or 13 people signed up for that one. That same weekend, the Malediction crew, along with a number of Heralds, will be at Gen Con.
01:16:56
m3rcier
2v2 tournament on Friday, the 31st. And then on August 1st, we have the 1v1. Both of my co-hosts will be there playing in, I believe, both tournaments. And then Nick will be running demos also.
01:17:12
m3rcier
And then Tacticon in Denver, Colorado on August 29th and 30th. There'll be ah at least a 1v1 tournament there. That or is our events.
01:17:23
Garrett
Awesome. Okay. Uh, thanks gentlemen. And thank you everyone for listening and we can't wait to, uh, have you join us again for episode 12. I've been Garrett.
01:17:34
m3rcier
I've been Alan.
01:17:35
Nick
This has been Nick.
01:17:38
Tiago
And this has been Thiago. Bye-bye.
01:17:40
Garrett
Yes. Perfect. Okay.
01:17:41
Nick
and then
01:17:41
Garrett
Goodbye everybody.
01:17:42
m3rcier
but