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Echoes From The Grave: All right, welcome to episode two. of Echoes from the Grave. I am your host Brandy and with me as always is my co -host Mike. Hello Michael!
michael: hello welcome
Echoes From The Grave: How are you today?
michael: Good. Happy to be back for this second episode and seeing what more other stories you have.
Echoes From The Grave: Yes, I have a good story for you today real quick We did change the intro music. um we could thank my boyfriend for that so Go on and thank him, Mike.
michael: Alright, thank you. Brandy's boyfriend. We...
Echoes From The Grave: but I'm sure. Go ahead.
michael: uh say we enjoy the uh the way that there's actual some uh percussion in there now
Echoes From The Grave: yes it is a vibe for sure i just did the first one on uh like apple garage band and i was like this sounds spooky and cool and then he's like let me show you how cool it can be
michael: Okay.
Echoes From The Grave: yes
michael: You're trying to get that Apple sponsorship already. Interesting.
Echoes From The Grave: You know if they want to pay me it's fine But I'll probably have to end up paying them for that.
michael: you can charge you $300. then.
Echoes From The Grave: Oh my gosh, don't charge me anything, Apple.
michael: okay
Echoes From The Grave: I swear I didn't do it. I buy your products. Stop.
michael: Yeah. headphones sold separately
Echoes From The Grave: Remember when they used to include headphones and a charger and everything in your iPhone box, man?
michael: Yeah, no. barely even get a charging cord and you don't even get a protective case
Echoes From The Grave: I don't think you get a block with it anymore, do you? Maybe you do.
michael: No, it's just... No, it's just the wire.
Echoes From The Grave: Could not be me. Just kidding Apple. We love you. We have your phones I have. Two pairs. of Uh, iPods. Or whatever they're called.
michael: What a simp.
Echoes From The Grave: AirPods. I have two AirPods. And like two watches and a bunch of phones. So... Dope. Sue me or come after me for money. All jokes.
michael: Alright, now that the jokes are aside. What kind of story do you have for us today?
Echoes From The Grave: Well, Michael, we have have you ever watched... um Unsolved Mysteries
michael: Um, For the sake of the question, I'm going to say no.
Echoes From The Grave: But have you?
michael: I don't know um i
Echoes From The Grave: oh there So... They have two versions of it. It's like the old 80s version, 80s, 90s version with the creepy. I don't know his name and people don't come for me. I'm so sorry. But he had the creepiest voice. He'd be like tonight on Unsolved Mysteries and like scary music would play. oh It gave me nightmares. And then they have the Netflix version out.
Echoes From The Grave: And I think I'm. i was I almost said something that was a lie. but they do It's still called Unsolved Mysteries. and they do like murders or kidnappings or aliens where it's an unsolved mystery
michael: Hmm.
Echoes From The Grave: And I have an unsolved mystery for you to- today.
michael: Okay, this will be interesting. I will have to check out that show as well.
Echoes From The Grave: Yes, watch the clip watch some clips for the old one because he was great at scaring the hell out of me as a kid. And like my grandparents would watch it and be like, oh no. that show and America's Most Wanted always scared the bejesus out of me I thought that the dudes from America's Most Wanted were gonna like crawl through my window and kidnap me and stuff all the time
michael: They were in your backyard the whole time.
Echoes From The Grave: They totally were. I was so scared. My dad loved to watch it. And I was like, this is terrifying. Why would you watch this? And now I'm obsessed with that stuff. So it's funny.
Echoes From The Grave: But yes, give them a try. I'm sure... It's easier to find the Netflix one. Those are also really good, but try and find the old ones. It's like a purple.
Echoes From The Grave: like background.
michael: Okay.
Echoes From The Grave: unsolved mysteries.
michael: You just want me to be scared at night.
Echoes From The Grave: Of course I want you to be scared at and night. It's spooky season. You are... on day twenty Are you on day 25 of your videos? How many movies have you watched?
michael: We are behind by five movies, so we are on movie 20.
Echoes From The Grave: How did you get so far behind?
michael: um I went on a work conference. and then
Echoes From The Grave: Oh that's true.
michael: We started three days later. So.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, let's...
michael: We started on October 4th.
Echoes From The Grave: That's alright. You guys can just... Watch multiple in a day.
michael: Yeah, trying to get double it up.
Echoes From The Grave: Watch all the conjurings at once.
michael: That. Yeah. No.
Echoes From The Grave: I'll tell you. Pause on the story, I guess But the last Conjuring movie, not my fave.
michael: Yeah. I mean, I was hoping for more Behind it. But.
Echoes From The Grave: Mm hmm.
michael: uh it seemed you could tell that one was more Um, exaggerated from the accounts of what the actual story is.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
michael: for entertainment purposes.
Echoes From The Grave: First one is always going to be my favorite.
michael: Same here
Echoes From The Grave: Something about Patrick Wilson really... He's good at his craft in horror.
michael: today This is a podcast episode where Brandy simps over things.
Echoes From The Grave: yes i am simping over patrick wilson look him up he's a cutie No. We can get into our story now that I've jabbered on for.
Echoes From The Grave: what five or six minutes
michael: Yeah, we have jabbered.
Echoes From The Grave: Jabbered. shabberwocky Okay. So today we are talking about the disappearance of Jodi. Huisentruit
Echoes From The Grave: Jodi Sue, Huisentruit was born on June 5th, 1968 in Long Prairie, Minnesota to Maurice and Imogene. She goes by Jane.
Echoes From The Grave: Huisentruit I don't know where they got Jane because her middle name is like Lorraine.
michael: Maybe the way that her last name I made her first name Inch.
Echoes From The Grave: Imogene.
michael: Imogene
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, but it's more like...
michael: Imogen Jane?
Echoes From The Grave: Oh, maybe it is Imogene. Because, yeah. the I'm so sorry to anyone out there named... Imogene or Imogene And I didn't pronounce this name correctly.
Echoes From The Grave: Disclaimer on that. so jody was the youngest of three daughters joann was the oldest 18 years older than jody and then jill was in the middle i honestly tried looking at multiple sources to see how old jill was i could not find it just that she was the middle
michael: Hmm.
Echoes From The Grave: So... Jodi was a late -in -life baby for her parents obviously if Joann was 18 when she was born. but the family was still like super tight -knit close she would call her mom her best friend and Jane would call Jodi her teddy bear.
Echoes From The Grave: um Sadly though in 1982 at the age of 13 Jodi lost her father after he battled cancer. This of course would only have her and her mom gloat grow closer.
Echoes From The Grave: But Jodi... Like I said, she was the youngest. of the three. They were super tight knit. They did sports and stuff together. She was always like a super active person, really getting into sports when she was growing up.
Echoes From The Grave: She was a pro at golf. She started playing in the third grade and continued all her life. She joined the golf team in high school and they would go on to win two state championships while she was there.
Echoes From The Grave: You ever play golf, Mike?
michael: I've played golf a few times. I have some golf clubs. But. I'm not very good at it. It is a very difficult. Like, I can hit the ball.
Echoes From The Grave: Mm -hmm.
michael: Pretty well and pretty far. It just does not go where I think it's gonna go. So
Echoes From The Grave: not where you're aiming.
michael: Yeah, sometimes you never know I might try and ah if I try and think that I'm hitting the ball going the right way and I might hit a neighbor's window.
Echoes From The Grave: Maybe not play in the neighborhood.
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: Go to Topgolf. Practice your skills there.
michael: Top off. Yeah, at least they have a net and everything else there for me.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, exactly. You can see Like, obviously, I drove across the country. You can see where Topgolfs are. You're like, holy heck, there's a giant net. You're like, oh, it's Topgolf. Like all over the place they have those.
Echoes From The Grave: Alright. um So Jodi not only played golf, she was the so she was on the softball team and co -captain of the basketball team. She was also part of her student council.
Echoes From The Grave: After graduating high school, Jodi would enroll in Morehead State University for a year before transferring to St. Cloud University. And during her junior year, year Jodi would study abroad in England for six months.
michael: Would you ever study abroad?
Echoes From The Grave: Um... Bro. I didn't even go to college.
michael: Let me just study abroad you can still sign up for
Echoes From The Grave: I was actually...
michael: okay
Echoes From The Grave: In. high school invited to join. I don't even remember what the heck it's called anymore but it was for... like student leaders and they would take me to australia for a couple weeks But I unfortunately was too poor for that. It was like four grand and we could not we had no money
michael: Yeah, that's not that's the bad that's the downside of it is it's not like it's a funded thing that schools can just do it and then they want you to have some type of payment which is understandable. But.
michael: Makes it kind of hard for...
michael: people who What would want to do it but can't because I can't afford it
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah. well that's like um, foreign an exchange students do they have to pay for it because they're already living with these people like when they exchange. But do they have to pay?
Echoes From The Grave: I guess they would have to pay if they're buying like... presents and stuff to send home. but Does the school pay the host family? For the kid?
michael: I'd assume i assume it'd be some type of... Like. stipend for a host family to cover. some of the like basic needs.
Echoes From The Grave: Alright, if anyone has hosted a foreign exchange student... Let us know if you guys got paid or if the family had to have money to even send them over there.
Echoes From The Grave: I know. when i was in like second or third grade we had a teacher exchange program happen at my elementary school and we got a teacher from like Scotland or Ireland or something like that. I never had her.
Echoes From The Grave: unfortunately she was gone before i got to that grade but
michael: But I mean, that's the first I've heard of that. i I don't think I've ever. Heard of a teacher exchange.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, it was pretty cool. She had an accent and you know like how teachers stand in the hall like all right everybody is class type like you could hear her accent and stuff when do they would do that i was like dang that's cool
michael: Yeah.
michael: Yeah, like I want to go to whatever country she's from
Echoes From The Grave: For real. Alright. So while in school. Jodi would co -anchor the St. Cloud Daily Show with Joe Vigil.
Echoes From The Grave: Jodi, who... I guess right now is an anchor. for the news in Las Vegas. Fun little fact. Joe Vigil Jodi also made a brief on -air appearance on election night in 1988 with KRE11 anchors Paul Maggers and Diana Pierce.
Echoes From The Grave: Or majors, I'm assuming majors or majors. I need to stop with this
michael: go through the phone phonetics and pronunciation.
Echoes From The Grave: Well, it's
michael: guide.
Echoes From The Grave: M -A -G -E -R So I think maggers, but then sometimes the G has a J sound so majors Who knows? Jodi and several S.
Echoes From The Grave: C S U. Classmates were helping out as volunteers answering calls from viewers that night. So that's why she was briefly on air. So I'm assuming it's like a...
Echoes From The Grave: telethon type thing. I'm not sure. So Jodi would actually get the opportunity to interview. Patty Wetterling. Do you know the story of Jacob Wetterling? Michael.
michael: No, I going to assume he's also an unsolved mystery.
Echoes From The Grave: He is an unsolved mystery, and we will someday talk more about him. But Patty Wetterling was the mother of an 11 -year -old boy, Jacob, who had been kidnapped. It's actually a very scary...
Echoes From The Grave: and huge story in the true crime community so We'll get there one day and you will learn all about it. it's ah It's a very interesting... story.
Echoes From The Grave: um In 1989, Jodi would graduate from SCSU with a degree. degree in mass communications and speech communication. What do you think her first job was after she graduated from college, Mike?
michael: Uh... If it's anything like the... current college system i would say she was a server at a restaurant or a diner.
Echoes From The Grave: ah You know?
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: It's wild how nowadays people can't use their degrees. They have to be servers. Now, so she actually... ah was a flight attendant for Northwest Airlines.
michael: Shout out to flight attendants.
Echoes From The Grave: Shout out to all the flight attendants. Thank you for what you do I couldn't do it
michael: Alright.
Echoes From The Grave: Not only do you have to deal with like grumpy, jerky people, but you're up in the air doing it.
michael: Yeah, you can't really get away from there
Echoes From The Grave: Mm -mm.
michael: just open the doors and get a parachute.
Echoes From The Grave: You're just stuck
michael: Peace.
Echoes From The Grave: Also, i couldn't do it because i'm pretty sure they have like a a weight requirement to be flight attendants and that ain't me, baby. Mike, e you should be a flight attendant now.
Echoes From The Grave: I feel like you could do it.
michael: I'd probably get stuck in the aisles. Probably wouldn't be able to. I'd probably be like, oh. Or I'd run over someone's foot with the cart.
Echoes From The Grave: fired immediately.
michael: Spilled. Yeah, spilled the drinks all over everybody.
Echoes From The Grave: they'd be like what the heck you're like just deal with it
michael: Peace out.
Echoes From The Grave: So... Let us do a quick... WIC. career breakdown. so jody started as a flight attendant but that didn't last very long she was quoted as saying she wanted to be on the air not in the air Which, that's pretty funny. Go Jodi.
Echoes From The Grave: Um. After leaving Northwest Airlines, which I've never heard of Northwest Airlines. I've heard of Southwest. Maybe that was...
michael: Maybe that was them beforehand
Echoes From The Grave: Maybe. But so after leaving Northwest Airlines, she got her first journalism job at. KGAN -TV in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She was assigned to the Iowa City Bureau.
Echoes From The Grave: Which I'm not sure what that means in... Newscaster Talk. But while at the KGAN, Jodi reunited with her s SCSU co -anchor and friend, Joe Vigil.
Echoes From The Grave: who jo who also works in a bureau joe and jody call themselves the bureau buddies Joke. Hey, we're just the bureau buddies over here, bureauing it up.
michael: Yes, sir.
Echoes From The Grave: Jodi's second news job took her back to Minnesota where she was an anchor and reporter at KSAX -TV in Alexandria. Her family was able to watch her on the news there, so that must have been pretty exciting for them.
michael: And then... I also Okay. Just back. and get the response for people who are wondering about northwest airlines i googled it And it says Northwest Airlines operated in 1926, but then they merged with Delta.
Echoes From The Grave: ah
michael: so they are
Echoes From The Grave: Oh, so they're delta.
michael: Part of a delta merge.
Echoes From The Grave: Well, I'm assuming they just got taken over by Delta if we don't know Northwest. Can you get a Northwest airline ticket?
michael: No, it doesn't look like that.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, so it's so it's just Delta.
michael: It looks like they've... they just did a merger yeah said that that happened in an agreement on 2008 so i'm assuming they got bought out
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: Dang, during the... crisis.
michael: Yeah, they probably went under due to The. market crashing
Echoes From The Grave: You know what airline I've always been super curious about because it always looks so cool is um pen. Oh, what is it? Is it pan? Panem.
michael: There Pan Am
Echoes From The Grave: Pan Am, yeah. Panem is Hunger Games.
michael: Let's see Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, Pan Am. I always thought... They look so cool! I've seen like the movies that catch me if you can I'm pretty sure Leonardo DiCaprio pretended to be a Pan Am flight attendant. Have you seen that one? That's a pretty good movie.
michael: No, I'm not very well versed in movies that. came out before like 2015.
Echoes From The Grave: Well, get on it, girlfriend.
michael: Yes. Um,
Echoes From The Grave: Because it was good. It has Tom Hanks. As like a detective chasing. um Leonardo DiCaprio because he's it's like based on a true story he was a con man and Tom Hanks was a like an FBI agent
michael: Hmm. Not to burst your bubble, but Pan Am.
Echoes From The Grave: Uh oh.
michael: uh stopped operations in 1991 so we weren't even born yet
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, we weren't alive for it. That's why I always I'm like they looked super cool There was also like a TV show about the Pan and Am flight attendants, but I think it had Christina Ricci in it. she's Cool as hell.
Echoes From The Grave: Anyways. anyways Jodi's next stop on her career path. that she hoped would eventually lead to a network show. was in Mason City, Iowa.
Echoes From The Grave: Jodi was hired to anchor the morning and noon. Morning and noon newscast at KIMT. TV. Jodi also reported on feature in human interest stories while she was there. I have such trouble apparently with.
Echoes From The Grave: these news stations. I feel like I'm gonna mess it all up every time I say it.
michael: Okay.
Echoes From The Grave: Okay, so now we are up to 1995. We were a wee little babes, Mike.
michael: Yes. We were... Finally born. Not like the last episode where we weren't even a thought.
Echoes From The Grave: We...
Echoes From The Grave: We weren't even a thought of a thought yet on that one. Neither were my siblings. so ah Oh, that's a lie. My two oldest brothers were born. But whatever.
michael: Okay.
Echoes From The Grave: So in January 1995, Jodi interviewed at KARE 11 in the Twin Cities. She was hoping to move back to Minnesota to work in an area where her mom could again watch her deliver the news, which is so cute.
Echoes From The Grave: She said, I want my mom to watch me on TV.
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: According to Jodi's friends, she was also exploring job opportunities in warmer states, including Florida and Arizona. Jodi's two -year contract was set to expire in November of 1995, so she was looking to try something new.
Echoes From The Grave: but Bum bum bum. things happen obviously that's why we're making this show So on June 26, 1995, Jody attended a four -person golf team.
Echoes From The Grave: um At. The... Mason City Chamber of Commerce fundraising tournament and dinner. So she was on this team with three other people.
michael: yes
Echoes From The Grave: Obviously it's a four person team. But they were raising money for something. While at the tournament, she told two of her teammates that she has been receiving harassing phone calls and planned to change her phone number.
Echoes From The Grave: Jodi's home phone number and address were both listed in the local phone directory, which I'm so glad we do not have those anymore.
michael: the directory or
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, like the phone books where people would just like... Find your phone number your name your address all that fun stuff and just show up at your house
michael: Yeah. What a time to be alive back. In. Uh... non -private yeah like having the private like
Echoes From The Grave: back then
michael: Like not having as much privacy
Echoes From The Grave: Which is wild, like... Personally... home wise you have so much more privacy because your phone number and your address aren't plastered in a book that anyone can pick up but now we are so chronically online sharing bits and pieces of us that were also not private at all.
michael: And I think that... win. It's weird because I... You you could still like find some of that information through Like phone records and things like that like if someone wanted to if they had if they had your phone number.
michael: but
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
michael: Not as easy at least finding through the census of where someone might stay in your city.
Echoes From The Grave: Well, like I've been called by random numbers before and I've tried to google it and you have to pay for like that reverse um number search you have to pay to figure out who the heck it is
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: So if you if someone wants to...
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: put out some money i guess they're gonna find out where you are Um. So... In October 1994, we're going to backtrack a little bit.
Echoes From The Grave: Because she was telling these people about her harassing phone calls. But in October of 1994, a guy in a truck followed her and she called the police. So she was...
Echoes From The Grave: like going home and she noticed that this truck had been following her. And so as soon as she got home, she ran inside and called the police. And Jodi told some friends and family members that she believes someone was stalking her.
Echoes From The Grave: as mentioned previously jody reported to mason city police in 1994 that she felt a person in a small white pickup truck was following her around so she decided to take self -defense class
Echoes From The Grave: She also had written in her diary that She was receiving these phone calls and... being followed. around. And it was really scaring her.
Echoes From The Grave: She had... um I think it was weekly phone calls with a friend across the country where she had been telling her what was going on. And even the night...
Echoes From The Grave: before Um... she disappeared so the night of the tournament she called that friend her friend wasn't in so she talked to the husband and just told him that something felt weird and off.
Echoes From The Grave: Which is really sad in hindsight.
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: So at 4 .10 a .m. on Tuesday, June 27, 1995, KIMT producer Amy Kuns noticed that Jodi had failed to report to work as scheduled and called her apartment, which was super unlike Jodi. She was always on time or early.
Echoes From The Grave: when it came to work Because she obviously loved her job. When Jodi answered the telephone, she explained that she had overslept and that she was preparing to leave for the station. She only lived about five minutes away, so she would be there super quick.
Echoes From The Grave: Which must have been nice. especially with news anchors they have to get up so early to go and do hair and makeup and get their news stories and all that. So... um Only living five minutes away, you can sleep as much as possible and then pop right over.
michael: Yeah. You know car is not working. Just walk
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah. I'd be like, hey. Come pick me up. However... So she was called at 4 .10. She said that she'd be there shortly. But however, at 6 a .m., Jodi had still not arrived. So Amy filled in for her on the morning show daybreak.
Echoes From The Grave: At 7 .13 a .m., KIMT staff called the Mason City Police. Because it was unheard of for Jodi not to be there. And she was not answering her phone.
Echoes From The Grave: When police arrived at Jodi's apartment, they found her red Mazda Miata in the parking lot that she had recently bought. as well as evidence that suggested a struggle had played taken place near her the car.
Echoes From The Grave: Her personal items, including a bent car key in her red high heels, were scattered about the area, and police reported recovering a unidentified palm print from a pole nearby.
Echoes From The Grave: Um... Investigators interviewed at least three neighbors at Jodi's apartment complex who said that they had heard screams around the time that she would likely have been leaving for work.
Echoes From The Grave: But. nobody reported it a near and A nearby neighbor also reported seeing a white Ford Ecoline idling in the parking lot at about the same time.
michael: if
Echoes From The Grave: So... a creeper van. in the parking lot
michael: Okay. for fans. You know. Seemed to be the thing back then. You just always knew.
Echoes From The Grave: It's always... Always the windowless white van. or like one of those gross brown siding vans.
michael: If you want people to leave you alone.
Echoes From The Grave: My gaskets are creepy.
michael: Nowadays, just get one.
Echoes From The Grave: Getting creepy.
michael: Don't be a creepy one, but If you don't want people to approach you or get anywhere near it
Echoes From The Grave: Don't.
Echoes From The Grave: pretend you're creepy.
michael: Get one. Exactly.
Echoes From The Grave: So in September of 1995... The Hoos and Trout family hired private investigators from McCarthy and Associates Investigative Services in Minneapolis, who in turn enlisted the assistance of Omaha private investigator Doug Jassa.
Echoes From The Grave: McCarthy and Jassa appeared on several TV shows, including America's Most Wanted and Unsolved Mysteries.
michael: That's the shout out that you gave them earlier
Echoes From The Grave: Buh, buh, buh, buh.
michael: What's this?
Echoes From The Grave: So two months later. They and members of Jov... Jodi's family traveled to Los Angeles to meet with three prominent psychics. This meeting was televised and was actually used as a pilot for The Psychic Detectives.
Echoes From The Grave: television show. Although each show generated several leads, none resulted in concrete evidence or identification of a suspect. Which is so sad. You would think she's...
Echoes From The Grave: On the news. She's on TV every day. No one saw anything. it but It was crazy early in the morning. I feel like that... eco line was if it is connected they were definitely staged out there waiting for her that day it wasn't just i personally believe it wasn't just like a random drive -by Because if you're being stalked like she believed she was
Echoes From The Grave: you they are watching everything you do so they're gonna know okay she goes to work at Four o 'clock every morning. I'm gonna grab her When she's going to work, nobody's going to see her. They're going to know the, like the traffic patterns and stuff. If they've been watching her long enough.
michael: Yeah, and I feel like that's something that gets into Like. things nowadays too is that people get into routines
Echoes From The Grave: Mm hmm.
michael: um But back then, they don't have as much surveillance or being able to. canvas an area and have like a ring camera that might have caught something, you know, that other people aren't really accounting for. see They just didn't have that ability back then.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, nowadays everyone has a camera of some sort.
michael: And even or even like cars being parked they might have a dash camera like there's just so many different technology advancements that um tracing someone's pat routine patterns isn't as easy if you're going to try and Kidnap them.
michael: in daylight. Not that I've...
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
michael: about it but
Echoes From The Grave: Not that I've thought about kidnapping anyone.
michael: Uh. But just just seeing how... um how things are and, like, crime, how... Our crime has been.
michael: At least from cereal, like... type. murders or kidnappings have changed. due to due to that fact.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, it definitely was a lot easier to Get away with the crimes back then I feel Even now though people are still like Serial murders are still unsolved.
Echoes From The Grave: Even with. um all of the cameras and information and things we have now which is a little wild to me but back then for sure she feels like she's being stalked but Nobody can see you for...
Echoes From The Grave: sure if she is because There's no... like proof there wasn't like
michael: There you can.
Echoes From The Grave: notes on her windshield saying i'm gonna get you like nothing like that so For sure back then. I can see why, like the Ted Bundys and the Green River Killers.
Echoes From The Grave: got away with things. So in May 1996, approximately 100 volunteers searched an area of Cerro Gordo County and left flags to mark anything that appeared suspicious. Each of these sites were then re -examined by law enforcement but no real evidence was located.
Echoes From The Grave: Police and private investigators have conducted more than a thousand interviews, but none of them have resulted in conclusive evidence pointing to a suspect.
Echoes From The Grave: Sadly, Jodi has not been seen since June 26 1995 the day of that charity. golf tournament.
Echoes From The Grave: ah She was legally declared dead in May of 2001. I think. You have to wait like six years six or seven years in a disappearance to be able to claim that they're legally dead It's...
Echoes From The Grave: I'm pretty sure it's like seven years. Or it is now. I don't know if it used to be something different. which is so sad cuz like Well, either way you're not going to have a body to bury if you want to go and go ahead and do that.
Echoes From The Grave: But it's sad that you have to wait like six or seven years just to be able to kind of move on and grieve, you know.
michael: And I think that that's more of like the closure part of it like you can't um Which I don't i wonder why like Not that I would be able to you know really find out, but...
michael: of a Lot of times people don't give up that their loved one is missing until they have remains or some sign of that So I wonder what prompted them to go ahead and do that like maybe as like Yeah for that closure or
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
michael: No.
Echoes From The Grave: um I agree. I wonder why. They decided to. Maybe it was to like move on. like, with legal things for Jodi.
michael: Yeah, like estates and...
Echoes From The Grave: um Yeah, her estates, things like that.
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: Because you're not allowed to, I'm not saying this is why they did it, but you're not allowed to collect any insurance policies, anything like that, until they are legally declared dead.
Echoes From The Grave: So you're not allowed to move on.
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: in that sense of like hey we need to get her estate in order. But you're not allowed to. So. I don't know I feel really like it's so sad for the people who do
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: have missing family members because at what point do you feel like i need that closure is it the seven years where you can finally declare them. Or is it when you have remains? because I guess each person would be different in that.
michael: Yeah, not knowing you know Yeah, like and I guess maybe also for them it's like if they
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah. and
michael: accept that fact. Not that it's a fact, but if they...
Echoes From The Grave: inhale
michael: if in terms of how they see it, if they accept that fact. of it being that she is deceased then that's when they can start like moving on like they don't like You know, calling off searches.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
michael: I've seen different things though, where people have been searching the same areas, different things, different times, but like years on end.
Echoes From The Grave: then
michael: And so maybe if like, so it doesn't overtake. their life that way. Um... Maybe that's just what they had to do and like same thing I had to do in order to get that closure and be able to grief properly
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah. That's like... With. Also, if you have someone declared legally dead or... you do find that closure and eventually they come back because it's not unheard of. It's happened. How do you go about them.
Echoes From The Grave: being legally undead now.
michael: you just I think you just have to redact the record. um And... There's you know for obvious reasons between these for this would be that you assume they were dead and then um come to find out they were missing and there's reports and things like that that subject that uh That are...
michael: evidence of that.
Echoes From The Grave: That would just be wild.
michael: if
Echoes From The Grave: I feel like I would feel awful if... we had someone declared legally dead and they came back and like well you moved on no i never moved on like you were still there baby
michael: shift
Echoes From The Grave: ah So. Jodi's family has never given up hope on finding out what happened to Jodi. They have a website that you can go to called findjodi .com.
Echoes From The Grave: And that is F I N D. J O D I .com. Many people have been a part of looking and speaking out for Jodi, including...
Echoes From The Grave: patty wetterling once again she's back who I mentioned earlier. on the 29th anniversary of Jodi's abduction. Patty was the main speaker at Find Jodi's event in Mason City to honor Jodi and appeal for information.
Echoes From The Grave: So... Jodi didn't just interview Patty the one time that I mentioned. She had interviewed her. for Jacob's 15th birthday.
Echoes From The Grave: When Patty was going around. trying to like get him back into the news. So they had like a close connection. That's why I like.
Echoes From The Grave: win. Jodi had gone missing, Patty. Um. patty was the first person some of jody's friends and family reached out to for advice on how to get the word out about jody's disappearance so like the family and patty had become close.
Echoes From The Grave: because of this as well Which is very sad like you shouldn't have to have your family go missing to be close with someone but also in the same
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: breath i guess if these people didn't go missing you would never know patty like um So, unfortunately... jane jody's mom would never find out what happened to her daughter because on December 9th, 2014, Jane passed away at the age of 91.
Echoes From The Grave: so If. Jodi was murdered. Or has passed. At least they're back together now with her dad.
Echoes From The Grave: If you believe in the afterlife or heaven and hell and all that.
michael: belief.
Echoes From The Grave: If you believe, Mike.
michael: believe in something after we die.
Echoes From The Grave: I mean I do.
michael: Yeah.
Echoes From The Grave: I don't... prescribed to the heaven and hell but i believe there's an afterlife of some sort
michael: i believe there's Yeah. I mean... feel like it's a Yeah. I don't think it's a whole damnation of a soul thing.
Echoes From The Grave: Nah.
michael: but I do think that... There is something. Wow. for everyone.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah. I hope it all works out in the end because I'd like to see my boyfriend more after this life.
Echoes From The Grave: He's pretty cool. I'll hang out with him in all my lives. If I get more than one.
michael: yes getting reincarnated as ah as a ladybug.
Echoes From The Grave: That would be cute unless someone one squished me.
michael: Okay.
Echoes From The Grave: That would suck. Oh. My cat is meowing. So, that was the sad... Case of Miss Jody, who's in truth?
Echoes From The Grave: And now you know, Mike.
michael: Now I know and now I have a few other shows and things like that to look into Um,
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah.
michael: and try and find out some more unsolved mysteries
Echoes From The Grave: So I think Unsolved Mysteries the original is on Hulu.
michael: Okay.
Echoes From The Grave: Like the Disney plus Hulu. because I don't think Hulu is its own thing anymore. I think they're just connected.
michael: They just connect all through like all the the hulu and espn and
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah. right So that's that. Do you have anything else to say to our listeners? oh sign with
michael: Diamond it has a lot to say.
Echoes From The Grave: Sorry, everyone. My cat Simon is being a little mouthy right now. He wanted in on the podcast. Well, I guess that's our cue to close it up. Thank you so much for being here, Michael.
michael: Thank you for having me. I look forward to being here for the next one
Echoes From The Grave: I look forward for... multiple episodes because we're co -hosts. So.
michael: and i And I know that we've been talking. for a little bit about what we're going to do. um i might Be sharing your story in the future. Who knows? We'll see how it goes.
Echoes From The Grave: Yes! That would be a fun one. Maybe I'll make you do your DC sniper story.
michael: I get to talk about All types of things.
Echoes From The Grave: Maybe find someone that I have no idea about go for a super obscure story.
michael: Yeah, just I'm like, oh no one's ever heard of this one
Echoes From The Grave: in The murder I just committed.
michael: Ted Bundy. Good.
Echoes From The Grave: Ted Bundy.
michael: Ted Bundy. No one's ever heard this one.
Echoes From The Grave: Are you sure his name was Ted?
michael: Mike is a... pronounced this way
Echoes From The Grave: is it
michael: But no.
Echoes From The Grave: Teed Bundy.
michael: Yeah, making sure that I have my stuff together. Maybe I'll have to write it down so I have some pages to remember and I get all my facts straight.
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, I would suggest writing it down so you don't forget the name of the victim or something.
michael: a
michael: Yeah. Just trying to get everything out there, trying to have fun with it. but also getting... some of these stories and getting people to enjoy with us as we learn and find out new things.
Echoes From The Grave: Yes. I am very excited to continue on with this podcast. Hopefully episode... One. has been to your liking and hopefully this episode exceeds expectations.
Echoes From The Grave: Who knows? Maybe we'll get better at this.
michael: Who knows? We just kind of... Wham, wham, here we are.
Echoes From The Grave: Yes, we kind of just threw it together after literally a month of talking about it
michael: Yes, and so it's gonna be fun to see how it progresses and little things that we can do as well possible fan interactions for Q and &As or stories that you guys might want to hear in the future.
Echoes From The Grave: sir
Echoes From The Grave: Yeah, suggest some stories. We will be setting up. a Discord, I believe. We do have a Gmail. that we can put out there if you guys are interested in telling us what you'd like to hear or just interacting with us in general.
Echoes From The Grave: so
michael: However...
Echoes From The Grave: That's it.
michael: We do say don't send any hate mail. Brandy will cry.
Echoes From The Grave: I will cry, I'm very sensitive All right. Thank you so much. I hope you all have a lovely day and we will see you next time. Bye, Mike.
michael: See ya. seega
