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Obed Vargas is the Greatest Player Alive - Ep. 31
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The Seattle Sounders took a resounding 3-2 win against the Philadelphia Union in their midweek makeup game. Ari and Noah take on this emphatic dub pod, break down the incredible play of Obed Vargas, and preview the upcoming LA Galaxy match (We love you Joseph Paintsil).
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Introduction & Podcast Concept
00:00:09
Speaker
What's going on everybody? Welcome into episode 31 of Lobbing Scorchers. This is Ari Lillianwall. I got producer Noah here with me. Noah, say what's up to the people.
00:00:20
Speaker
Midweek
Rescheduled Match: Seattle vs. Philadelphia
00:00:21
Speaker
pod, midweek dub pod at that. Midweek dub pod. We've got a dub pod for you all today. Um, and it is a doozy of a dub pod, only our second one of the season, but the Seattle Sounders went back to Philadelphia to make up the famously rained out match of 2024 that six minutes of was played several weeks ago and then, and then shocked.
00:00:46
Speaker
And, man, it really popped off. My adrenaline is still pumping. I can't wait to pod about this one. This is a good dub pod. I'm excited to lay it down for you guys. So,
Subscriber Acknowledgments & YouTube Plans
00:00:58
Speaker
yeah, Noah, I mean, we got a lot to get to on this one. But before we get into all that, let's take care of some housekeeping at the top of the show and then we can have some fun.
00:01:08
Speaker
First of all, I want to once again really thank all of our new paid subscribers and the people that have subscribed in the last couple weeks. We really appreciate it. We're up to eight now. So I want to thank, I'm going to just name them all, Daniel Paveto, Mike Standish. Mike, I love you. I miss you on Twitter, but I understand why you quit.
00:01:29
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00:01:46
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Thank you guys so much. We really really we love you guys like it so no one has to be a paid sub so we just really appreciate the gesture and That show of support for the content keeps us motivated to keep churning these out So once again, if you want to join all of our paid subs in that You just go to a podcast lobbing scorchers calm. There's a little
00:02:08
Speaker
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00:02:25
Speaker
and then
Seattle Sounders' Victory Breakdown
00:02:26
Speaker
also just another quick plug for the new Lobbing Scorchers YouTube page we've been uploading every show up on there and are trying to grow our presence there and we have like 20 something subs now where we're slowly but surely working our way up on the old YouTube it would be nice to see that number grow a little bit so
00:02:42
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If you got a second, go ahead and drop a sub on the Lobbing Scorchers YouTube and fire up the content on there, get our views churning on there, and like and sub and all that on there, and that would be much appreciated.
00:03:00
Speaker
Maybe we'll give you a little face cam at some point here so you can see how we record this podcast in camo shorts and hoodies. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, now that we have the YouTube set up, you know, we haven't really talked about it much, but maybe like maybe the live streaming world is something that lobbying scorchers will infiltrate at some point. It's something I'm interested in. It probably, I mean, you know, my version to technology, so it might take like four to eight months for me to get the wherewithal to do anything like that. But, you know, it's definitely
00:03:30
Speaker
something to think about now that we are on the platform. We are cooking and building. We are. Anyway, let's get into this game now because this was honestly a crazy game. The Seattle Sounders, they won 3-2 over the Philadelphia Union at Subaru Park in that makeup game. You know, we all have fond memories of that game that got rained out. I personally will always have fond memories of the guys with the mops that came onto the field and tried to clear it off while it was still pissing rain.
00:03:57
Speaker
and you know I appreciated the effort of the guys of the mops but I think it was ultimately the only call to make this game up a couple weeks later as they did and it made sense when they did it with Seattle already out on the east coast having played DC United on Saturday they picked this one up in the sixth minute with a free kick and it really it
00:04:21
Speaker
popped off immediately. Coming off that DC United game where Seattle actually played pretty well on offense with 10 men and I thought really controlled the game for much of that second half, they were able to carry that over into this first half where they scored three goals.
00:04:40
Speaker
So
Disciplinary Actions & Game Impact
00:04:41
Speaker
actually, but before we get into the full game recap, there was a couple of news items that I forgot to mention right there. This news dropped before the game. Stephen Fry's red card from the DC United game actually got rescinded by the independent panel that makes those decisions.
00:05:00
Speaker
So he is no longer. He no longer has to pay that fine or And he also is no longer suspended for a subsequent game And so I think he was actually he's eligible for the galaxy game and he was eligible for this eligible for this game Andy Andy T started in goal in this game But I mean I guess let's just talk about that news itself real quick
00:05:21
Speaker
I'll be honest, I was pretty surprised and I don't really get it. I thought that was pretty clear doxo. Honestly, an appeal or that getting overturned never even really entered my mind. I thought that was just pretty done and dusted. When I saw that news hit today on the MLS editorial desk, my eyebrows were raised a little bit.
00:05:45
Speaker
I can give you my take on it as far as what the rationale would be. And the first thing I'll say is like when a red card gets rescinded like this, this panel, it has to be a unanimous vote as I understand it. They're completely independent of each other. They don't talk about it with one another. It's not like a debate panel where they break down the play together and are like, well, what do you think? And they all look at it and view it independently and they all unanimously voted to rescind this red card.
00:06:13
Speaker
So I was thinking of it like what could they have really like what could they have seen on this play that got it unanimously overturned and I mean I think really the rationale must be that when there is a ball over the top like that into the box and kind of free space like that
00:06:32
Speaker
and the goalkeeper is closing down the ball and the attacker, the goalkeeper technically does have the same right to that space that the attacker does. And if you grant that Stephen Fry, when he was making his downward movement, was going for the ball, where both players have the same right to make a play on it,
00:06:55
Speaker
and he was not trying to take down Jared Stroud, but make a play on the ball, then it's not dogso. So I guess that must be what the independent panel determined.
00:07:13
Speaker
I don't know if this matters as to the letter of the law, but I feel like when he comes off his line there and takes down Jared Stroud, when Jared Stroud pretty clearly
00:07:28
Speaker
It seemed pretty clear to me that he had him beat and if fry doesn't take him down He's rounding him and scoring and the only reason that he didn't round him in score was because fry fouled him and took him down Yeah, I think I think I was surprised to see it. Yeah. No I clearly they saw I mean we talked about it and my whole point of the whole thing was like it doesn't really matter if you got a red card or not like
00:07:50
Speaker
It was a dumb decision regardless because if he doesn't get the red card there, that's still probably a penalty. And I think that that's probably what the board considered was like, but the thing is, there's no way it could be a penalty and not dog. So.
00:08:05
Speaker
Oh, okay. Then yeah, no clue. So like, I think like they must be saying that fry was trying to make a play on the ball. Therefore it's not even a foul and that it wouldn't have been a penalty and that the red card was bogus. And, and I, this, I mean, this is kind of the other point I was going to make on the heels of that, which is it just makes that DCU game like a hundred times more frustrating because if you grant that he shouldn't have been sent, sent off there.
00:08:30
Speaker
And that also, like, if what I'm saying is correct, and that it also shouldn't have been a foul and a penalty, then, I mean, I think the odds that Seattle take the result in that game are quite high, given how the game was going up until that point. And they might even win that game. I mean, if you look at how they played in the first half in this Philly game, like, they could be coming off a two-game swing on the East Coast where they won both games, where, like, I won't lie, going into this two-game swing on the East Coast, I didn't expect them to win either of them.
00:08:59
Speaker
So it's definitely frustrating, but one funny thing about it is that he still got fined for failure to leave the field in a timely manner. Even though they took the red card off. And I've always thought that this is funny that they do this. I look at the disciplinary committee report every week. It's one of the posts that I prep and edit for the website.
00:09:20
Speaker
And it's happened a lot of times now where we have one post that's like red card for so and so rescinded by independent review panel. And then we have the disciplinary committee post that's like fined for failure to leave the field in a timely manner after his red card offense, which in another post we've also admitted should not have been a red card offense. I don't really get that.
00:09:44
Speaker
that's dog. So you're admitting that that the that the offense in question like shouldn't he shouldn't have had to leave the field in any sort of manner at all, let alone a timely one. Yeah, you admitted that when you rescinded the red card. So how's he still going to get fine for that?
00:09:59
Speaker
I don't know. Don Garver, get your bread up. Stop being broke. That's more of like, just like a funny little thing than anything that I'm that pressed about. But like, yeah, he got the red card rescinded, still got suspended or a fine for failure to leave the field in a timely manner, but he has not suspended for the LA galaxy game on Sunday.
00:10:20
Speaker
and
Game Oddities & Anecdotes
00:10:21
Speaker
then Kind of in that same vein there was also the news that Alex rolled on got an extra game Suspension for his red card against the Vancouver white caps, which I think we agree is deserved well yeah, so he's gonna be suspended for the galaxy game and 100% deserved honestly if you gave him another game on top of that I wouldn't even argue with it yeah, that was that was just a ridiculously bad challenge and
00:10:44
Speaker
out of emotion and frustration and he just like kicked the shit out of the guy in the back of the leg while he was running. You can't do that already. That is very much against the rules and I mean it's a dirty play so the fact that he got tagged with an extra game on top of that, not a surprise nor is it unfair by our estimation.
00:11:06
Speaker
But but but see that was funny because he was he was one of the players who was on the field for the original rained-out game So he's he's now suspended for an extra game on top of the suspension that he I mean wait has he served one for
00:11:23
Speaker
He served at DC United. Right. So exactly. So he has to do another one. He has to do another, but in the meantime, he got to play this makeup against Philly. So it's, it's, uh, the, uh, the sounded heart guys have been sending some funny tweets about this, but this whole thing is like the warp in the space time continuum. Yeah, we're playing like time travel ball with all these like red cards and retroactive.
00:11:48
Speaker
Another funny thing that well the I mean the MLS Apple TV commentators were pretty bad tonight But one good bit that they did do was talking about how this might be the first game where there were new rules from the start of the game to now because When the game was originally started they didn't have these new rules about injuries where you have to come off
00:12:10
Speaker
for three minutes and then leaving the field of play. There were like those three or four changes that Lee made. So when they started this game, those rules were not in effect. And then when they continued
Key Players & Goals
00:12:21
Speaker
the game, they were in effect. They also had a totally new officiating crew. I feel like since this game took place back in time, then that those rules shouldn't have what they were saying. No, yeah, I think they were just like this is all right now. Yeah, that's oh, my God, like it's a shit house. One more match.
00:12:39
Speaker
It's just, it's all like, uh, in what's been kind of just like a, uh, a crazy season, this whole thing with the makeup game and all the red cards, a game that shouldn't have been started, by the way. Thank you to the scab reps for that one. Yeah. I mean that.
00:12:55
Speaker
I have fond memories of the rained out game. I don't regret it. I thought it was a great time. And, you know, I'm always going to have that picture of the guys with the mops out on the field just mopping it up only to see it just keep raining. If we were going to do something the whole time. Yeah, we'll put we'll put that up. Framed print.
00:13:24
Speaker
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00:14:19
Speaker
Anyway, let's get into this game now. Let's finally get into this game. The Seattle Sounders scored three goals in the first half. So let's just talk about these goals, do the goal breakdowns. That's always fun. We haven't gotten to do enough of it this season. I guess, you know, they've scored 13 goals now. Five of those were in one game against Montreal, though. And this first half was
00:14:40
Speaker
I mean, it was as good as they've looked all season, both in terms, I think, of just the eye test, the XG and the finishing product. I mean, so the first goal you have Raul Rui Diaz with
00:14:56
Speaker
Long-range glazo from 50 some yards out. It was terrible defending which I saw you were pointing that out Noah I do think it is fair to point out that It's not like they were it was some great attacking phase of play that generated that opportunity it was Raul taking advantage of a severe severe defensive laps by the Union
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, well his controller disconnected like but then also like the goalkeeper way like what's he doing like he was so far off his line so like that is totally fair to point out, but what I will say just encounter to that is it is great awareness by Raoul to recognize that the goalkeepers off his line and line up the shot
00:15:42
Speaker
and it's also it's he makes it look easy but it's not easy to hit that shot from that distance even on an open net with the goalkeeper that far off his line there's a reason that goals like that are so rare and that most times you see guys line them up like that when they think they've caught the goalkeeper off they don't convert them
00:16:00
Speaker
and we've seen Raul do this twice in his career now he famously scored the one at Austin FC in the game where they played like seven teenagers and then he subbed on and scored that that's one of the best goals in Sounders history in my opinion this one wasn't quite as sick as that but it was this it was a similar idea
00:16:16
Speaker
And I think you got to give Raul credit both for the awareness and the finish, even with the goalkeeper that far off his line. And that's, to me, it's just another example of why, as long as he's on this team as a DP, you ride him as far as he's going to take you because
00:16:35
Speaker
He hasn't been getting those high percentage looks enough this year, but like we see in the Montreal game And now with this goal like he's still got that in him sometimes to find those goals Just kind of out of nowhere when when you don't even think that it's gonna happen and
00:16:50
Speaker
and he did it again in this game and I mean it was I like my eyes about popped out of my head when I saw that goal no I was not expecting to say no I was and like even when he even when the shot left his foot it looked good right away but I was just I was confused I was like why is there no one
00:17:10
Speaker
And then and then it became like it became abundantly clear when when it got over the goalkeeper's head like oh that's going in that's that's the opener like so sick goal. Yeah,
Defensive Errors & Game Outcome
00:17:22
Speaker
I was super stoked to see him get that I mean like yeah you're right like awareness of that opportunity is
00:17:30
Speaker
It's hard. It's hard to understand that and to just have the wherewithal to press that especially is really great. I know in the post-game presser, Roldon said that he screamed shoot immediately when Raul got the ball. Can we assess and assist? He should get an assist for that. Because we're third assist lovers. I'm sure everyone on the field as soon as Philly turned the ball over probably looked up and saw...
00:17:54
Speaker
I really I don't know the Philly Union. They're one of they've been one of the better teams in the league for the last few years. I think they're down bad right now. They lost their last home game to Riala Salt Lake. We talked about it on the last show how they've been one of the best home teams in the league. But like for them to get bammed on like they did in that game and then get bammed on like they did three times in the first half at home again in this game. I mean.
00:18:19
Speaker
I still think the Philly Union are a good team, but damn, that was criminal defense. It was awful. It really was. Seattle kept taking it to them in the aftermath of that first goal, and they got their second goal not too long after from an unlikely source in the form of Obed Vargas, who lined up a Galazzo for his very first MLS goal. Congrats to Obed.
00:18:47
Speaker
Great shot on that play perfect placement goalkeeper didn't really have a chance It was really when we're gonna talk about this more But it was an incredible all-around performance in the first half by obit really all game But especially in the first half. I mean I tweeted it, but he looked like the best player alive. Oh, yeah
00:19:05
Speaker
Yeah, he was cooking with gas cooking with gas more than any Sounders player has cooked with gas all season He was he was everywhere and what it struck me most about it was just like just like the fire in the effort that he was playing with and really though I would credit the whole team for that in the first half it felt like every second ball and
00:19:28
Speaker
Seattle was outrunning them to it The counter-brush was crazy. Yeah, their pressing was really good. They were bodying them off the ball They were they were pouncing on giveaways and they were churning in transition and then Obed in particular just it seemed like every time he made a challenge He won the ball back his passing was incredible tonight He was like I think one of the biggest things too is that he would get tackled
00:19:54
Speaker
go down and continue to still retain the ball. Like he did this twice when he was in the box, including that assist. He, well, not the assist, but the penalty that he won, he got shoved down like twice and he still was on the ball. Like he was, he was ruthless. And he did that sequence that you're talking about on the penalty, which we'll get to in a sec. Like, yeah, like he did that like a lot. Yeah. And you just, you couldn't get the ball off him and
00:20:19
Speaker
like this I'm totally willing to call this a breakout game because the thing is I would say my kind of critique of not just obit but like a lot of the academy kids that have come up and I'm sure I'm sure I've said this before but it's like you know they do a great job of holding their own but they haven't really been impacting games as tangibly
00:20:41
Speaker
as i would like to see for like you know you saw philly they're famous for uh for turning out their home grounds their home groans impact the game like you saw it with jack mcglint like they were down 3-0 and he scored like a goal that got them back in the game and like they're like so their home groans like do stuff like that with regularity and uh obed and utensio uh rbw when he's gotten his minutes although he hasn't played as much and has been injured this year but
00:21:09
Speaker
You haven't really seen them tangibly impact the game, get on the stat sheet, make those big time plays as much as you would like to see for guys that you're starting to give all these MLS minutes to. Obed did that in this game and it was not just the goal. The goal was the adjust reward for how well he played all game and especially in the first half.
00:21:33
Speaker
And that's great to see and it could have big future implications like if he becomes a player that can give you something on the stat sheet even like semi consistently and is playing with that passion and that energy and that fire and doing doing all that hard work on both sides of the ball that could help this team a lot. And it really like I don't know. I don't think they're able to pull the result that they did tonight without Obed doing that.
00:22:01
Speaker
And for that to come from, it kind of felt like a milestone moment to me, man, where he really arrived in this game, in this moment. And I'm now pretty excited to see where that goes and what he can do going forward here, because that goal was sick. That was a really nice shot. And he cooked really, really all game. I know the second half didn't go very well, but I thought he kept playing well.
00:22:28
Speaker
I think he was the best player in all three phases of the field tonight. Like I'm not even on either team, like his willingness to go back and be on the final defensive line, making clearances to bail out the defense, which was
00:22:43
Speaker
reeling honestly and in the beginning of that second half and His transitional play was incredible and then just being there and being a tough body to defend in the attack which freed up players like Raul and Jordan to cook which is exactly what we've been talking about and I want to say
00:23:03
Speaker
people were shitting on Obed a couple weeks back and I tweeted I said guys I don't want to hear the Obed slander because he's talented and clearly he's starting and playing because he has something to give I think he showed it tonight. I'll fess up you know I wouldn't I wouldn't say I was ever
00:23:24
Speaker
Abjectly slandering him, but like I was I've been a little down on his stock this year. I'm not you've been a tensio. I've been a tensio over Obed and I've been I've been critical just of the fact that I Feel like there I feel like there's been more that Obed could give based on his talent level that he hadn't really been hitting which you were right about Yeah, which I think I I think I was right about but like
00:23:50
Speaker
you know this I'm always happy to get proven wrong on it on a take like that and he did that in this game and like I really like I can't I can't say enough about that performance and he was he looked like the best he looked like the best god forsaken soccer player I've ever seen and like I was like I don't want to go like over the top with it but he was he was flat out dominant and like so we'll talk about this next goal
00:24:15
Speaker
Created by Obed like he won that penalty like you said in a sequence where? The guy the guy knocked the ball off him at first, but he didn't give up on the play He got up won it back and then he was about to make a run-in on goal. Probably likely create a dangerous opportunity and the Philadelphia defender and by so I believe took him down and Stone cold PK and Seattle gets their third goal of the first half on a Raul Peneca another one which
00:24:45
Speaker
So he's had like four PKs this year, I think, and three of them, he's Penen good. And I feel like it's actually, it's kind of brilliant because by doing it so often and converting every time he's kind of, he's creating so much uncertainty every time he steps to the spot now. They're like, is he really going to do it again? There's no way I'm going to dive this time. There's no way. And then he does it again and he converts it.
00:25:12
Speaker
So now, I legitimately think there's a strategy to this. Now, goalkeepers are going to be even less sure of what he's going to do from the spot just because he keeps spamming these Panenkas. And it's worked every time. I'm scared for the time that it doesn't work because a Panenka that doesn't work is one of the most brutal highlights known to man.
00:25:35
Speaker
But as long as they keep going in and he keeps these goalkeepers off mallets, I mean Seattle's been winning a lot of penalties this year, so he's going to have to keep converting these and just the bit of him doing a panellica like most times he gets up there is it's pretty funny to watch because
00:25:54
Speaker
You just know the goalkeeper is like, there's no way. He's not going to do it again. He's not going to do it. I'm going to dive. He's not going to do it. And so they were showing the chart of where Raul has hit all his penalties. And there was like the panancas, which are like right down the middle. And then there's the one to, uh, to the, like the left side where he went for one of them and the goalkeeper dives. He thought he was going to go to the opposite side of that and he just panancas him again. So
00:26:20
Speaker
That was a good little finish, but that play was all about Obed. That play was all about Obed. At that point, the Seattle Sounders were flying. The one thing I will say is we totally forgot to mention this. It is entirely possible that this Obed breakout that we have been gushing over wouldn't have even got to happen, because I will be honest, he got pretty lucky to not get sent off right before he scored his goal.
00:26:49
Speaker
he uh they mentioned it on the broadcast quite a bit because they caught it and uh and he got called for a foul for it but um he was jostling with the guy and he uh he put his arm up and he made contact with his face which in a different era of MLS they used to have this like ironclad policy that if you do that that's an auto red i don't know if that ever got officially uh like changed as how they told the refs to look at the rule or if they just stopped enforcing it but like
00:27:16
Speaker
I remember being really frustrated. This was way back in like 2014, 15, and I think Ozzy Alonzo got a red card this way where his arm came up, and they were saying it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter even if it's like accidental. Like if your arm goes high or your hand goes high and you hit someone in the face, that's an auto red. And guys were just getting- They would dive for it. It was a huge problem because guys were getting these kind of ticky tack red cards where they were to accidentally barely tap someone in the face.
00:27:45
Speaker
and they would get sent off. And then there was also invariably times where it would be clearly accidental to where the ref would be like, all right, well, I'm just not going to give that red this time. He didn't mean to hit him in the face. And it was like, no. No, yeah, you have to. And I remember getting so frustrated because I think Ozzy got one for that. And then the next week,
00:28:10
Speaker
Like someone on another team did the exact same thing to Seattle and the ref didn't call it a red And I was sitting there and I was like, I mean you guys said that that's if that's an auto red Like by that standard then that guy should be sent off right there. So but either way like
00:28:24
Speaker
Obed did if they had given him a red for that I would have been annoyed because it wasn't like it didn't seem like excessive or violent conduct But I might have had to be like just don't go to his face like that man And you don't even have to worry about that like yeah, he was playing with fire with that and Like I don't think that's a red card or worthy offense personally, but like that doesn't like
00:28:50
Speaker
matter you know but if you give them I kind of I say this all the time like like I did with the Jackson Reagan red card against the caps but if you give them that window with those with those offenses like and then you get red carded for it
00:29:06
Speaker
it's kind of your own fault you just you got to not play with fire like that and i thought i thought he i thought he got lucky yeah he got lucky i don't know i saw the play a couple of times i don't think i will for one thing i'll say this people love to hate on pro referees but a lot of the work that they've done over the last few seasons is to kind of look at
00:29:25
Speaker
Things like that rules like that where they were giving out all that ticky tack bullshit Um and kind of tweak up the rules to be more like All right, like let's let this game go on and not be super involved. Does it work all the time? No But I feel like that was a great rule that they kind of phased out or just have stopped enforcing I don't think it was really that bad, but maybe i'm just
00:29:50
Speaker
Maybe I'm just like maybe I'm just used to this cuz like I when I played if you know you're boxing someone out I know he it looked bad on the broadcast but like and the guy made a meal of it But that's like you're giving you're giving them that opportunity to like go like get you sent off right there So I don't know it just like especially with how this team's luck has gone with respect to these things Yeah weeks when I saw that I was like oh my god. They're gonna send that it's happened again and
00:30:16
Speaker
That's why I called it. What would have been on Twitter. I called it What would have been the the most infuriating red card in club history and a friend of the pod Mark Kastner from sound at heart he replied and Said that wouldn't have even been the most infuriating red card in the last like two weeks or something Which but it's the only pendulum point taken but I think the reason why it would have infuriated me so much was in the
00:30:43
Speaker
context of it piling on with the other infuriating red cards that we've seen in the last couple weeks, one of which was rescinded. But like, and especially coming off of a game where you go ahead one zero on the East Coast on the road, and then you completely chalk the vibes and chalk the game with a red card with so much time left in the game. If they had done that again, no, I would have lost my mind. I would have lost my mind. And that's sort of why I was just like, oh, but don't do that.
00:31:13
Speaker
don't do that. Because if he had got sent off right there, we would have missed one of the best breakout young player performances I've seen from a Seattle sounder, you know? Yeah. So I guess learning moment there. And I'm just going to say it, man, like just don't go, don't.
00:31:29
Speaker
Go to the face like that like everyone on the Seattle Sounders like that exact type of thing Like I don't think it's a red card worthy offense, man But like there there's there's realities where that gets called. I'm telling you man. I've seen that get called do it I'm in disagreement you do it. I want to see that fight. I want to see that fight
00:31:48
Speaker
I mean, it's just, it's really fortunate for Seattle and for this podcast that it didn't because he was truly a delight to watch the rest of the game and got a really good goal. And 9.1 K that got the third goal and that, that PK that he won really, that was the difference in the game.
00:32:09
Speaker
Did you have your little I was gonna say yeah 9.1 foot mob, right? Yeah, I don't know how much stock I put in foot mob ratings But I wouldn't seem that's accurate to me messy messy had basically the same last week when he scored twice and assisted or whatever, you know Yeah, just saying you know, so what you're saying is Obed is as good as messy. Correct? That is exactly what I was also the ultimate take that I was gonna get to so okay
00:32:33
Speaker
I wasn't actually gonna say this on the bottom, but now that you bring that up, I'll just say it. What I was gonna say is if you put like Messi in place of Obed, but with the exact same performance, you'd be like, oh yeah, that's just like a normal goat game. That's just Messi right there. That's how good he played.
00:32:52
Speaker
I mean I'm being facetious, but you know and blow up my mentions. No I actually genuinely kind of believe that in a sense though because it was an archetype of messy in a way in a way in a way to hear me out hear me out. You guys can hit my mentions like like the goals in the back of the net that that Obed hit, but
00:33:13
Speaker
The way that he was bodied off the ball, stayed over the ball, was playing in all phases of the game. I'm not saying he's messy, I'm not saying he's ever going to be messy, but I'm saying it was a messiest game in the way that he was so dynamic everywhere and just like owned the field and owned the ball when he was on it.
00:33:31
Speaker
He was
Refereeing Decisions: Consistency Debate
00:33:32
Speaker
incredible. He's better than Messi. You can write down that quote from this podcast. I think that's the title. Obed Vargas, better than Lionel Messi. I do have another bone to pick from this game, which is that
00:33:50
Speaker
Okay, so kind of honestly on the exact same line of discussion as we were just having about Obed's shot to the face that wasn't a red card. Julianne Carranza put his studs in the back of Christian Roldan's calf in the exact same way that Jackson Reagan did and got a red card for doing that to Scottish Messi a couple weeks ago when Seattle played the Vancouver Whitecaps.
00:34:15
Speaker
Kranza did the exact same thing to Christian and got a yellow, okay? And so I defended the call unpopularly, I might add, when Jackson Reagan got that red under kind of just this is just sort of how I look at it like when you give refs
00:34:30
Speaker
those opportunities on those borderline calls you like can't really be that aggrieved when the outcome goes against you even if you don't think it's really that red card worthy of play like what i was saying with ninja when jackson reagan did it was anytime you go studs to calf you open yourself up to that call even if it's an inadvertent contact even if it's not necessarily a violent play even if you think that it should be more of a yellow card challenge which is how i saw the jackson reagan one
00:34:59
Speaker
it's just not a smart challenge and even if you do it by accident you just got you okay then you got to accept that you were at the mercy of a 50-50 call from the referee in that situation but just to see Karanza do the exact same thing and get a yellow and not a red and then also I can't remember which one but another Philly player did the same thing later in the game it happened twice and it might have even happened like a third time I know it happened twice for a fact like
00:35:27
Speaker
there's got it like it's ridiculous that Seattle has to play an entire game down a man in that situation on that call and then have there's no difference like you can look at the replays you can look at the screenshots Crohn's and put studs in calf so and I'm sure that's a big thing that the VAR was looking at in the
00:35:48
Speaker
on the Jackson Reagan challenge was like okay we have uh studs the calf here that's a clear cut thing that we're looking at is the point of contact there was no difference in the point of contact on that play that Karanza made on Rolled On so he should have been sent off and it doesn't really matter like you know I think maybe subconsciously for a referee in that situation they're thinking like it's tough for me to send off
00:36:12
Speaker
a guy on a team that's like already down 3-0, it doesn't matter. Like if a red card were the offense, if that's how we're calling it based on the precedent that was set on the Jackson Reagan call, you know, that should have been a red card.
00:36:27
Speaker
I mean, I don't disagree in the sense that I would love to see that evenly called, but I don't really want to see it be a red either way. I think
Upcoming Match Against LA Galaxy
00:36:37
Speaker
that there's a very clear difference between endangering a player and endangering the safety of a player or denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Frankly, I would just like to see less red cards all around.
00:36:52
Speaker
I mean, yeah, like should it have been called a red card if the Jackson Reagan one was upheld as a red card? Sure. But like I I'm not going to sit here and complain about it personally. Well, I am because that's really annoying to me when, you know, the team that I'm invested in and covered has to play a game down a man and then gets the exact same thing done to them. And then it's I just I'm just calling consistently. That's like I like like I said, I defended
00:37:20
Speaker
Defended the call on the Jackson Reagan play like I can I could totally see how that's a red card but I was I was you know, I would say I was more annoyed than like Maybe as angry. Yes, I sounded but like it's but and then also, you know if it happens one time Okay, like whatever but it happened like two or three times. Yeah, I think I think there should be a little bit of
00:37:42
Speaker
If we're going like black and white studs to calf is automatically looked at as a red card offense that that challenge should have been looked at and also like just to like push back on one point you made like that like it is the reason that it's looked at as a red card offense is because that it arguably is like really endangering the safety of the of the Opposing player and I'm sure that's part of the rationale for that they used for calling it a red on Reagan So anyway, I mean I think that pissed me off
00:38:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think Reagan's was a little bit more violent personally. No see this one was even more violent though That's what I'm telling you Reagan's was pretty inadvertent and that's why a lot of people thought it was a bullshit red this one I'm pretty sure Carranza was like looking down and like Like knew what he was doing a little bit more. I don't think Reagan like actually Meant to hit him there with his studs and that was sort of the point of the controversy is that it was kind of an inadvertent contact and
00:38:34
Speaker
I'll have to watch the replay again, because now I'm interested in it and don't know if I'm recapping it correctly. No, I mean, I seem to remember that seeing it and being like Carranza's challenge is even worse than Reagan's because he's like looking down at it. So I don't know.
00:38:50
Speaker
Yeah, I've caught gone to the point in in this season particularly where I just have no interest in giving a shit about What could have been for the other team like the officiating is never gonna be even like I'm just like yeah, yes Yeah, probably probably should have had all three of them sent off
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair enough, but I still wanted to whine about it. I'm here for it. Let's get into the second half because for as gushing as we were about the first half, the second half went off the rails a little bit. Seattle got really lucky to get out of this game with all three points. They really... Talk about a turnaround. This rightfully could have been 3-3. They arguably could have even lost this game.
00:39:34
Speaker
And I'm not gonna be overly negative about this, Noah. It was bad, but first of all, at this point, you just need wins however you can get them. There's no style points. It really truly does not matter how they come right now. So they got the dub. It really was not pretty in the second half, but they did get it. And the fact that they played really well and scored three goals in the first half meant that they could stand.
00:40:02
Speaker
Half like that and still make it out of there and head home with all three of those points. So I'm basically what I'm saying is I'm not gonna question a dub or getting to record a dub pod at this point like Even though they're they're game management in the second half left a fair amount to be desired The Philadelphia Union scored two goals in like like two minutes or something It was like they were very close together to make this one three two
00:40:32
Speaker
I'll tell you so the Jack McGlynn Galazzo I can live with that a little more in the sense that First of all, it was probably unrealistic Just inherently to expect to shut the Philadelphia Union out in this game. There was zero part of me Going into this game that expected that Seattle would keep a clean sheet in this game Just because of how good and how dynamic on offense Philly typically is at home. So
00:40:58
Speaker
the fact that they got on the score sheet at all wasn't shocking to me and also they had scored three times in the first half so it didn't feel like the
Seattle's Season Review & Future Prospects
00:41:07
Speaker
worst thing of all time even though it was really early in the second half I still felt pretty good being at 3-1 and then also Jack McGlynn has arguably the sweetest left foot in MLS this dude is disgusting there's a reason that like you've got European clubs some of which are reportedly very big European clubs
00:41:27
Speaker
Looking at this guy the Philly Union. I mean if you don't watch or follow them a lot They are known for turning kids out like this and he is one of the best out of all of them. I mean Jack McLinn is a big one, but you got Brendan and packs and Eric Aronson that also came out of that Academy you got Quinn Sullivan who also featured in this game and came out of that Academy and
00:41:50
Speaker
You've got multiple guys that came out of there like like Brandon Craig who was really highly touted prospect who I think he got loaned Austin FC but like He was a really good prospect and they didn't even have a spot for him because they have so many of these guys Nathaniel Harriel is there starting right back and
00:42:09
Speaker
And he's also an Academy product and then we talked about him on a previous show a couple weeks ago But they have the best one out of all of them in Quinn's younger brother Kavon Sullivan Who's 14 who's coming up who literally is going he's going to Manchester City when you're 18
00:42:23
Speaker
Yeah, so like this Academy is Savage and man van Polisic played for the for the use from that hole. Yeah, he's from that whole scene like he went to Borussia Dortmund when he was really young so he doesn't they don't really get that much credit for him, but like the point is the foundationally it's yeah like it's a very talent rich area that we're talking about and kind of I guess my point is uh like when Jack McGlynn bams on you with that left foot
00:42:52
Speaker
there ain't a whole lot you can do like he does that you just like fair enough really yeah like that's how i felt at least just because and you know i understand like people who don't watch philly as much might not they just see some nineteen year old bam on them and you get pissed off but i've seen jack mcglenn
00:43:09
Speaker
hit those a few times and like it's mostly his free kicks. I haven't seen him score that many Galazos like from the run of play like that but like he that oh my god like just the ball that he hits is so nice and he hit it he hit that one perfectly so
00:43:27
Speaker
Really? I'm not that I was not that pressed about that goal. I'm not that pressed about that goal I thought that Philly was gonna get a goal or two in this game The one that I can't live with is the next one scored by Daniel goes dog Which came was it like on the kickoff like pretty much after the McGlinn goal basically
00:43:48
Speaker
immediately yeah and that shit has happened too many times this year where they kind of just like melt down defensively for whatever period of time and it was the the quakes game right yeah they gave up the they they tied it and they gave up the game winner just immediately
00:44:05
Speaker
like the restart they're terrible that is that can't happen man like those are moments in the game where you have to be able to slow it down take some control of things you can't like if you give up another chance after that like that's
00:44:22
Speaker
still bad, but like, like to be conceding multiple times, like in that close proximity, it's just it's criminal defending. It really is. And like the fact that it's happened in two different games this season and cost them a result in one game and nearly cost them a result in another is just like, I mean, I don't know what they got to do to cut that out because I thought
00:44:48
Speaker
I thought the performance defensively in the first half was was good and then after after the gauze dog goal, I thought that For the most part other than the the would-be equalizer that gauze dog scored that got ruled offside And there's there was a couple there's a lot of shaky moments in the second half defensively But I did think like, you know, they they did well to manage it and get out
00:45:12
Speaker
I mean they almost gave up a goal in the first new who made probably the worst pass I've ever seen in my life straight to a Philly Union attacker and only only because I think it was saved so like Cleveland made a save I'm pretty sure or something like that and that was Andy T Andy T I'm sorry man that's even worse I don't even know my own players but
00:45:33
Speaker
I like what I don't think that the defense was really that good in the first half I just think that the tempo was controlled so well in the midfield that like we really didn't have to worry about I don't know I thought I don't know I saw it a little differently I thought they pretty much cooked and dominated the whole first half besides maybe that I forgot about that early chance off the new pass that you were talking about but like I didn't really think Philly was was messing with them at all in the first half and then even I Early in the second half
00:46:02
Speaker
I was feeling pretty good because Philly came out of the locker room looking a little desperate, right? And then you remember Rui Diaz almost made it for that Seattle Philly was pushing forward super hard and Seattle got a couple really good transition looks yeah good build-ups and Rui Diaz had a really nice look and then Seattle Seattle got really close to scoring a couple times like early in the second half and
00:46:25
Speaker
And I was like, okay, this actually might not go off the rails as I fear it might because because Philly is pushing so hard and looking so desperate it's opening up chances for Seattle in transition and they didn't convert either of the ones they had early in the second half, but they were good looks and I was hopeful that that would continue to manifest, but it didn't they conceded twice and then really like so the
00:46:52
Speaker
after goss dog scored the second goal it wasn't all that long after that he scored again and it got waved off for outside he was off but like not by that much like like the sounders got pretty lucky that they didn't concede on that play and then also there's there was they conceded a couple other chances during the second half as well and then koranza had one uh... like right towards the end yeah that he had a header that got off the post where
00:47:21
Speaker
Seattle was arguably a little lucky that that didn't go in. So, all in all, this could have been a 3.3 or a 4.3, but it wasn't. It's a 3.2 dub, and the sounders are now 2.5 and 3, I believe.
00:47:36
Speaker
good for a cool 12th place in the Western Conference but like if you look at the standings they're at nine points now and that's only that's literally only three off of the ninth place St. Louis for the last playoff spot in the west with so much of the season left to go if they get on a hot run of form they can get up the table and back into the playoff mix what exactly their ceiling is
00:48:00
Speaker
Should they get back there and make it into the playoffs like is this team a title contender TBD, but like They're not they're not out of it. They're not out of the race is what I'm saying everyone makes the playoffs. Sorry Basically, I mean five teams don't and based on how Seattle's record was looking this year They were looking like they could be one of those five teams. I mean yeah, like I I'm not I'm not trying to say that it's some big accomplishment if they do make it to the playoffs and
00:48:26
Speaker
I'm just saying that as it stands right now, especially with this win, they are back on the fringes of the mix with how badly this season started. That's the first step to getting back to closer, at least, to where you want to be.
00:48:46
Speaker
And it also what was the set you were telling me before we started about how it's like not their worst start ever Oh, yeah, officially this makes it not as bad as their 2018 start. I believe this was a Jeremiah ocean a legendary moment in Sanders Twitter history with this win Sanders pulled ahead of their 10 game points total in 2018 So this season is no longer their worst start ever
00:49:12
Speaker
no longer their worst start ever. Folks, not especially high bar, but they cleared it. And if
Player Performance & Development
00:49:21
Speaker
you remember what went on to happen in that 2018 season, they actually ended up rattling off one of the hottest runs of form that an MLS team has ever had. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I think it was like nine or 10 straight wins.
00:49:35
Speaker
And so that kind of stuff can happen in MLS. I'm not necessarily predicting that it's going to happen this year based on the larger body of work that we've seen thus far. But I don't know. I feel after this two game road swing,
00:49:53
Speaker
I would say I feel marginally better about this team's prospect compared to what I did before the road trip started just because I feel like the DC game got, they were playing well and they were ahead and it got chalked by a red card that an independent review panel said shouldn't have happened. I think it's decently likely or at least possible that they take the dub in that game if that red card doesn't happen.
00:50:20
Speaker
And then you know for however poorly the second half of the Philly game went it's still an East Coast Road game against a really good team Which like, you know, so when they beat CF Montreal 5-0 a lot a big narrative was like well That doesn't really count because CF Montreal is terrible. So they were just beating up on a bad team
00:50:39
Speaker
like I don't want to hear that about the Philly Union. The Philly Union are like one of the best teams in the league over the last four or five years and hadn't lost at home in two years like or not in a year until
00:50:53
Speaker
until we all saw like eight months or something. Yeah. And like the, like we talked about it when we were previewing it, like just like the ridiculous stats and the gold differential and some of the talent, like guys dogs, one of the best players in the league. Carranza is a really good productive forward for them. They have this army of homegrowns that are all just menaces to society.
00:51:12
Speaker
Jack McGlynn's out there with his left foot just BAM and set pieces and galazos on it like it's tough team All right So like this is for I understand and honestly share the sentiment of the people that are pissed off about how this second half went and probably are going to use it to Degrade this team's larger prospects and kind of undermine the wind a little bit. I don't know. That's just
00:51:38
Speaker
I'm gonna I'm gonna choose to be a little more heartened with it and I'm just happy that they got this dub like they needed it They scored three MOS goals Obed Vargas broke out Raoul scored a banger I think there's even with that second half to me there's more to be happy with and encouraged by Beating this filling Union team in their own building than there is to be pissed off about By how bad the defense was in the second half. That's why I
In-Game Strategy & Management
00:52:07
Speaker
see it
00:52:07
Speaker
No, I agree with you on literally a majority of that. The only thing that I will say is that we've been talking a lot about personnel and the Sounders in these last two games have been put in a very interesting position as to who they are forced to play, not necessarily who their first choices would be. And when I saw that DC lineup, everyone clowned me because they were like, you think that this ragtag team can actually perform well?
00:52:36
Speaker
I was like, no, I think that they can perform better than the starting 11 that Brian's been putting out majority of the weeks. And they did until that fry red card. And arguably they performed still even better in that second half than any team. They kind of cooked with 10 men. That's what I'm saying. It's kind of funny to think about. Yeah.
00:52:54
Speaker
And then the same thing is happening here in this match where there's there's some more starters back in the fold, but like a majority of those starters were the issue. I mean new who had an
00:53:09
Speaker
New-hoo game like to put it to put oh my god. I forgot. I just want to know that you bring that up It's one of the funniest new whose moments I've ever seen so there was like a through ball that That the Union were trying to play in down the flank and knew who was doing his his shield thing off off He was trying to shield the guy off the ball and
00:53:30
Speaker
And he did his step over routine and the funniest part about it is like he's that's actually for all the slander that new who takes He is really that's he's the probably the best in the league at that like shield. Yeah Win the goal to get to win the goal kick. Yeah, and that's like a
00:53:47
Speaker
It's been a valuable asset for him over the years and part of what makes him good on the defensive side of the ball But he did he did the he put the stepovers in there for some reason But then he didn't realize that it was actually off a Seattle player So it was a corner cake and so he did the whole shield Step-over routine to win Philly a corner and then his reaction to it was just like oh my god new who like you're
00:54:12
Speaker
You're killing me slowly. Yeah, no, I think that's the perfect description of all of the issues of new who is that he just has no fucking clue what's going on on the rest of the field. Like it's not that he's a bad player. Such a good play like the movie made to shield him off the ball and the step over actually had like a point that time because it like kept the ball away from the guy who was who was trying to make a play on it around him and stuff like oh my God just
00:54:42
Speaker
Yeah, I but I mean for all of that saying like he's just why is he starting still and why is he playing a full match? I honestly thought he played pretty well once Cody Baker came on when they had five in the back and they slotted him more in and he stayed centrally, which I'm going to say if you want to keep new on this team, which like valid, I totally respect that. Why don't why don't we start trying him more as like a center back?
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's, that's been, uh, cause he did get some run there, uh, at some point during his tenure with this team, I can't remember exactly where, when it was. And, uh, I remember the returns on that being pretty positive and it does seem like that's a position that suits his skillset a little more.
00:55:25
Speaker
yeah and just just lastly quickly uh i'm also worried about why are we not substituting players when this is a midweek game we have to play another weekend game and then another midweek game and then another weekend game like we're getting a paul rothrock sub for a gassed gassed gassed jordan morris in the 90th minute like what's the point
00:55:51
Speaker
Yeah, I mean,
Match Excitement & Conclusion
00:55:52
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like with how weird this game was put on the schedule with the rain delay and everything. And also just how it was going with them being ahead for most of the game and you're trying to see it out. Maybe it's a situation where you're just trying to like.
00:56:10
Speaker
Grind like hell through this one and kind of empty the tank a little bit But like I don't I don't disagree at all that I would have liked to see Some subs earlier and just in general sometimes like I feel like Schmetz Makes the subs Like we were talking about this with with the moose subs Yeah It's like when you sell on moose in the 88 like what time does he have to really cook and put his own imprint on the game? Yeah, like I
00:56:35
Speaker
Sometimes when you sub a guy in more like in like the 70s or even the 60s then you actually give them them time to cook and Like those late late subs Guys don't really like more like attacking players Yes It is like then like I can see putting on Cody Baker super late like that sure especially when you're when you're moving to five at the back like you said I
00:56:55
Speaker
But yeah, no like why are we doing that the first sub came in the 60th minute when roost not came on? Came on for chew which like okay, that's fine But then the next sub didn't come till the 84th minute after they had scored two goals and the 57th minute was when it was 2-3 they were reeling and it's like okay now we're gonna make a sub and move to five in the back in the 84th minute like where is it takes
00:57:20
Speaker
Way too long to make these decisions and for that I'm gonna say I'm still not up on this team I'm still concerned, but they still look kind of sick They like honestly these last two games. They were kind of balling like yeah, the haters might know The the pessimists might not want to hear it, but they were kind of ball. They were except For the rescinded red card and let's get the questions. Yeah, and then we can preview the galaxy and get out of here
00:57:44
Speaker
Yeah, let's do it here. Thank you all for your questions. We always appreciate it. I'm honestly just spitballing here so I can pull up this tweet. But yeah, how long does it take to return to form from a broken back? Is it the amount of time between when Obed injured it until a couple weeks ago?
00:58:06
Speaker
Like his row bed back I see that's a that's a good point I had totally forgotten that he was dealing with that injury for he's dealt with quite a quite a few injuries in the last Couple years which is unfortunate because yeah now that I think about it that might It's a good point it might have kind of set his development back a little bit because he missed quite a bit of time when he could have been getting minutes that could have
00:58:31
Speaker
maybe turn him into the player that we saw tonight sooner. But man, I'm just so intrigued to see if this is something that he can build on and become like a really truly like an impact player for this team, which he's shown like very brief glimpses of it. But tonight he like put it together for a full game. He was the best player on the field, dominated the first half, scored a goal, won a penalty. I mean, like we already said it all, but like,
00:59:00
Speaker
You can't like he carried the squad and he's 18. So yeah, yeah, he's 18 I think that's the big key is like he is 18 years old He still has time to develop and grow but it was electrifying man like it was the like we've talked about him in terms of having this lofty upside for a long time and really like I kind of I Felt like we haven't seen it on the field. We saw it on the field in this game
00:59:23
Speaker
Yeah, no, and I totally love the way that you frame it in the sense of like there's levels to it. You can hold your own, which they've been doing, but that minute that you start to create change on the field, you go from a player to, okay, this can be a star player, which I think is super cool. Will this shut up the Smetzer out crowd, Ari?
00:59:46
Speaker
Probably not just because of how hard they tried to bottle the result in the second half. But I think if they string a good run of form together, they climb up the table and they look more like the team that we all thought they could be going into this season, then I think Schmetz's job security will likely cease to be as much of a topic of conversation.
01:00:12
Speaker
Um, you know, this is just one game in the midst of a pretty disastrous start to the season. So I doubt that, uh, I frankly doubt this does all that much to, uh, to, uh, temper that crowd. Although I've never been that much in that crowd myself. So.
01:00:30
Speaker
Yeah, we've been pretty vocal about this isn't that Spencer's not the problem But uh, I have to ask did you see the the sign that said Seattle invented losing in Philly? Well Apparently and this is I guess someone asked if this was the case, but it's been confirmed now. They they took the sign down When they were losing by three and half dude, do you realize how? down bad you got to be I
01:00:56
Speaker
to put that banner up and then have to take it down in the middle of the game like that is I mean yeah and we can confirm that they did in fact take it down and that is one of the funniest things I've ever heard like
01:01:13
Speaker
That's why you that's why you probably shouldn't do that like if if your team balls out And you win it looks sick, but if you get bamdong 3-0 in the first half You look like a clown so Yeah, it got taken down
01:01:32
Speaker
yeah no that's insane i i think that i thought it was funny honestly regardless i thought that was a good bit because like i when you try and co-opt our own bit of being like yeah we invent like if someone said we invented losing and filly and they were a sounder's twitter user that that post would bang here's what when
01:01:49
Speaker
leave it up when you're losing 3-0, like stand on it and still leave it up. That would be a good bit. Yeah. No, I agree. Does Obed win MLS goal of the match day four or is it Raul from downtown? And I'll also add this. Do we think Obed wins player of the week?
01:02:06
Speaker
It's a good question because they're both very worthy. It's called Goal of the Match Day now. They're both very worthy Goal of the Match Day candidates.
01:02:24
Speaker
It's a good debate. I wonder where you stand on it. I I still I kind of lean Raul because Like those those like really deep Distance goals like that. They're so rare like the one Obed scored was a sick shot But you see those fairly regularly like Jack McGlynn scored one of the is that pretty much better Jack McGlynn's was a little better so like
01:02:47
Speaker
But I think the Rawal one, man, there's novelty to that goal. You really don't see those all that often. He's done it twice in his sounder's career now. So that would be my pick, personally. But I wouldn't argue with, honestly, either Obed or McGlynn getting some love there.
01:03:06
Speaker
I do think Obed for Player of the Match Day is a great shout. I mean, there's probably going to be some very good individual performances that he's going to have to go up against to get that. Messy. Those, yeah. I mean, messy, but like, you know, they love giving it to like Mukhtar and Ricky Boosh. Of course, Messy Suarez gets it. Like a guy like Obed, I don't think they have the courage
01:03:30
Speaker
to give it to him. Call them out or you have the power. I know I will. I I I'm gonna I'm gonna speak my piece on it, but he really like those who know ball will vote for him because that like there is no player in MLS messy included that is going to top that.
01:03:52
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think I am. I love the bit of like, uh, praising him over messy. Yeah, no, he's like, I tweeted one of the coolest parts of having messy in the league is you can do, you can make jokes like this. Yeah, you can make a one to one. You can look at the last time messy played Philly and be like, did messy do this against Philly? I don't think so. You know,
01:04:13
Speaker
So yeah, no, I'm a bad player of the match week rowel goal of the goal of the match week because that rowel one was a nasty and I love a long goal. That's like the sickest shit ever. So oh yeah, like the moment the moment you can see the goalkeeper's heart sink when the guy hits the shot over them and you realize it's going in. Nothing hits quite like that.
01:04:33
Speaker
The only one that ever hit better than that like with a goalkeeper reaction was the Obafemi Martin's goal where he chipped it basically off the famous yeah the end line and it's the San Jose keeper just like John Bush. Yeah, Bill Willard Bill Willard, but that's a good shot. I forgot about that one.
01:04:53
Speaker
Well, thank you all for your questions. Not as many questions this week because you guys are cowards because we won. Yeah, exactly. Every time it's an LPOD, I put out the crowdsource the questions and it's like, you have 77 unread replies. And then after the dub pod, it's like, you have eight unread replies.
01:05:13
Speaker
Yeah, like the our download numbers are gonna be way down too because they won. Yeah, exactly. I mean in all seriousness like I we do always appreciate the discussion and interaction in the engagement in my Mentions and I think it is probably more due to it being a Tuesday night correct me a rain makeup game then Then the result but yeah
01:05:37
Speaker
Appreciate you guys for for the engagement as always. Let's talk about this LA Galaxy game and then call it a wrap for episode 31. That's on good. No sounds amazing Okay, I mean I won't really even have all that much to say about this game other than that I mean the LA Galaxy are coming off a pretty bad loss to Austin FC who are suddenly looking like a pretty legitimate team after we climbed on them a fair amount early in the season and
01:06:07
Speaker
But so that's not like a Horrifically bad loss for the galaxy, but it was a pretty bad loss in that you know I've been talking about this galaxy team like one of the best teams in the league There certainly have been my favorite team to watch this year they besides maybe enter Miami They are electric on offense their front four of Ricky pooge Gabriel peck day on yovalich and my favorite player in MLS Joey paints Joey that is as nasty a front four as you will find in this league and
01:06:36
Speaker
And they when when they when you guys who haven't watched the galaxies so far this year You will see on Sunday if they start cooking with gas like when they start rolling They start rural really yelling and it is like a sight to behold. It's like a snowball running down a hit You know what? It's like is it's almost like watching inner Miami when they're in wonder they're like I
01:07:02
Speaker
Crazy ballistic zones this galaxy team like can hit those type of gears especially in transition and they have a striker in Jovalich who he We've been watching the Seattle Sounders strikers flub chances dating back to last year now
01:07:18
Speaker
Joe village probably isn't gonna flip those no he finishes those so this is going to be a really hard game for especially for a defense that In this Philly game like if they play like that Like they did in the second half of Philly on defense if they play like that against the galaxy To the galaxy are gonna put like three or four by him. No problem, and they'll probably they could cook more than that and
01:07:44
Speaker
So they need, like Seattle needs to, they got to get to long acres and they got to tighten that up because this team is really not messing around and attack. That being said, the thing about the LA Galaxy is that their defense is pretty much like Seattle's in the second half against Philly at all times. That's just how they play defense. Correct. So you can score on them and take results on them.
01:08:12
Speaker
because they don't really, it is kind of, that's sort of similar to my inner Miami too. They just, the defensive side of the ball, that's just not their thing. They don't pay that much mind to it. If you want a couple of goals against them, they're probably going to give it to you. They're at least going to give you the opportunities.
01:08:28
Speaker
so i think this is actually this is lining up to be a pretty fun game like i don't think it's going to be a grind it out zero zero type thing where the opposing team comes into lumen and they try and bunker and troll for the zero zero ain't no reason for this galaxy team to do that at all like they have the personnel and they're in good enough form their last game notwithstanding that
01:08:49
Speaker
If I was Greg Vanney and I was coaching that team, I would never, I wouldn't bunker for anybody. I would be like, fuck you. Like we're coming into your building and we're going to score. We're going to score three or four goals. Cause we are just that good in attack. We have one of the best players, two of the best players really in the league in Ricky pooge and Joey paints who as I said, I haven't talked about Joey paints enough. Cause everyone who listens to this pod knows how much I love Joey paints.
01:09:15
Speaker
Joey paints is So good like I love I love watching him play I watch every galaxy game for an offer Ricky pooge or Gabriel peck or day on new village I watch them for Joey paints. Yeah, can you Joe? I'd like what have I been calling him Leo chew with end product? Yes, correct. Yeah, it's amazing to watch this winger
01:09:37
Speaker
When he makes his runs down the right side either create a dangerous opportunity for someone else or Or score himself he I mean he's at four goals for assists, but really like He's been he's been pretty unlucky to not have his stat sheet Production be even higher than that like I've seen him hit the post a few times I've seen him set up guys for sitters and they've missed him for like he could literally he could be
01:10:02
Speaker
Up at like more like six goals eight assists right now based on how he's played so definitely If you like watching good footy men This galaxy team in attack in general, but specifically Joey paints. I love Joey paints
01:10:15
Speaker
Yeah, no, I am very excited for this 3-3 draw at Lumenfield where the galaxy just absolutely give up three goals in the second half after looking like literal Jesus Christ. But Jovalich and Joey Paints combined for three goals. Yeah, exactly. I will be wearing a Joseph Paintsal jersey in the crowd so if you see me, don't be offended. I know no Galaxy fans probably listen to this show, but this is the most pro Joey Paints pod, even more than the Galaxy pods.
01:10:44
Speaker
He's my favorite player to come into MLS in the last couple years. Obviously the messy thing is in his own category, but in terms of just random DPs that I didn't really know much about, and then I watch them, I'm like, holy shit, who is this guy? Joey Panza's up there.
01:11:01
Speaker
I'm always a sicko for just watching random MLS games, but like I have a routine like I always watch inner Miami I'll always watch, you know, if there's nothing on I'll just pick a game but like I I appointment watch LA galaxy simply for their attack and like Joey pencil is so cool and Joey if you were listening right now, I will Jersey swap with you, please
01:11:25
Speaker
Joey, if Joey Pains is listening to this, please, like, come as guests on live quarters. We can definitely get him on, I feel like. That would be my dream interview. Yeah, I think we can get him on. Anyway, that's pretty much all I have to say in preview for the Galaxy game.
01:11:42
Speaker
looking forward to it I would say seeing this team at least play some entertaining ball over these last two games it's given me a little more juice for the season it was a drag it was it was getting like boring and kind of depressing for a minute there but even though they bungled the DC game really badly
01:12:02
Speaker
Feel like they're playing better ball right now, and they got this was a big dub that they got in Philly And I'm I'm a hype to watch this galaxy game because like like yeah You were saying like galaxy have been into point may viewing like hundred percent like I watch all their games So them playing in Seattle. It's gonna be fun. I'm gonna be there But I think with that
01:12:24
Speaker
we can call it a wrap for episode 31 of Loving Squirtures. Thank you everyone once again for tuning in. We appreciate it so much like our listenership through the roof so much better than we ever even thought it would be. Thank you so much to our paid
01:12:42
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01:13:05
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01:13:30
Speaker
Anyway, that's gonna do it for this show. We'll catch you next time. Until then, we out. Peace.