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Speaker: Hello and welcome back to A Life Economy dedicated to exploring the intersection of technology, spirituality, and consciousness.
Speaker: We're your hosts, Cosmo Scharf.
Speaker: And Summer Perry.
Speaker: And today we are very, very grateful to welcome our guest, Juergen Sieber.
Speaker: Welcome.
Speaker: Hi, awesome.
Speaker: Hi, Selma.
Speaker: Excellent.
Speaker: We are very, very excited to have you on.
Speaker: Juergen, you are the author of several books about interdimensional travel and astral projection.
Speaker: And I read them a few years ago, and it really opened my eyes and my mind to the possibilities of
Speaker: the human experience and consciousness.
Speaker: And it was just a really enthralling read to learn about your journeys into all the other possible realms of existence and where to start, where to start, I suppose, you know, for people that
Speaker: or maybe have never heard of astral projection or out-of-body experiences, it would be great to start with just a quick overview of what that even means for people who maybe are unfamiliar with that term.
Speaker: Well, an out-of-body experience is when you're waking consciousness,
Speaker: works on a different locality than your physical body.
Speaker: That's basically it in a nutshell.
Speaker: And the locality can be anywhere.
Speaker: But it's mostly on a dimensional level, which is on a different vibratory level than the physical earth.
Speaker: There's a lot of people experience seeing their body when they get out of body that indicates they are on a very low vibratory level which is very close to the physical earth.
Speaker: As soon as you have no longer contact with your physical body you are actually transcending into a higher dimensional reality.
Speaker: So the whole thing is quite complex, really, because people are still disputing actually what's taking place.
Speaker: But awareness happens on many different levels, you know.
Speaker: The physical level is only one of many dimensional levels we can focus our awareness on.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: So the closest thing that people might, or of course are familiar with that, you know, closest thing to an interdimensional experience would be dreaming, right?
Speaker: Everyone has had, has dream experiences, some more lucid, some more vivid than others.
Speaker: And what are, what's the difference between just a dream, a lucid dream and an out of body experience?
Speaker: Well, there's not a lot of difference.
Speaker: The only difference is when we have a dream, we usually source our information or the dream content from our subconscious.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: And so that can be made up of a number of things.
Speaker: That can be experiences which we put down in our memory, which came from everyday activity.
Speaker: For example, we may have been to a party, you know, then the memories sort of
Speaker: filling out the environment, you know, and they become, they are projected into the dimensional reality and there's a kind of mixture taking place.
Speaker: So while we are dreaming, we are on another dimensional level, but
Speaker: it is not a consensus reality, it's one we made up, you know, but it can take place in a higher dimensional levels and these two levels of dream and consensus reality, they can be mixed, intermingled.
Speaker: But when we have a lucid dream, we actually become aware that we are dreaming, you know, so we are fully awake, but we are in a dream.
Speaker: And the next stage is that we somehow collapse the dream, the lucid dream.
Speaker: And what happens when we collapse the lucid dream?
Speaker: The dream elements, the projections from our subconscious, they fall away.
Speaker: So that can mean, let's say you're walking along a road and you're in a lucid dream, and then suddenly your focus, your awareness on the here and now,
Speaker: reality and then suddenly you find people disappear.
Speaker: Characters in your dream characters dissolve, you know, but the underlying reality is still in place.
Speaker: But what happens then you lose your dream narrative.
Speaker: know the story the the dream teller you know the dream machine has ceased to exist and then you are in a here and now reality which is indistinguishable from your here and now reality in physical life that's basically what's taking place yeah so i've had a taste of
Speaker: these types of experiences I've had, you know, countless lucid dreams and maybe three-ish or four, what I would consider like astral projections where I really felt like I was truly in another dimension.
Speaker: But you're sort of in a, in a rare group in that you've had, you know, what, over 40 years of experience of these kinds of experiences.
Speaker: Is that right?
Speaker: Yes, yes.
Speaker: I started when I was very young and I started off as meditation, you know.
Speaker: But at that time I was totally unaware of anything like that.
Speaker: The first experience came quite spontaneously.
Speaker: And it totally confused me, you know, because I had no idea what was taking place.
Speaker: And I had to do a lot of research, go to the library and try to find, you know, out what was actually taking place.
Speaker: There was a suspicion that I was going mad.
Speaker: Something strange happened to my mind.
Speaker: And I thought, what is it, brain tumor?
Speaker: You know, so, but then I was, you know,
Speaker: When I found out about the phenomena, the first time I heard about it, I read about it was from Castaneda, Carlos Castaneda, who wrote a lot of books on the phenomena of alternate realities.
Speaker: And that was the thing that sort of started me going because then I took a real interest in it.
Speaker: Let's paint a picture for people when we talk about astral projection or interdimensional experiences.
Speaker: You know, there's kind of these funny sounding words that people maybe have a little bit of trepidation around or fear around.
Speaker: And, you know, certainly I'd recommend anyone listening or watching to go and read your books, which we'll link to in the show notes for sure.
Speaker: They're really just amazing.
Speaker: very it's about a very valuable education and context for where we are in this dimension in this like what reality is i highly recommend taking a look but could you maybe describe i know it's a little hard to maybe encapsulate you know 40 years of experiences but are there are there ones that immediately come to mind that stand out as like wow that was just uh
Speaker: I didn't know that was possible or particularly vivid experiences that really blew you away.
Speaker: Yes, quite a few actually.
Speaker: I don't even know where to start.
Speaker: I wrote two books.
Speaker: The second book I wrote after about sort of seven years after I wrote the first one.
Speaker: And in the second book, I went into a lot more detail, a lot more depth.
Speaker: But the most powerful experiences are the ones which I always link to higher states of consciousness.
Speaker: You know, where you, for example, if you go into a state of samadhi during meditation, which is a state of where your identity is transcended into a space of clarity, let's say, you know, where you have no sense of an ego.
Speaker: Okay, you just disperse, your awareness disperses into infinity, so to speak.
Speaker: And you are also accompanied with this as a feeling of rupture, of oneness.
Speaker: You know, these are the most profound experiences.
Speaker: And they, of course, link you to your origin, you know.
Speaker: And as a byproduct, when you get into this higher state of consciousness, a lot of things become very clear.
Speaker: You know, you're seeing the world from a totally new vantage point.
Speaker: So everything has to be readjusted to that vantage point, and there's to be a new realignment.
Speaker: Now, this was basically the prime motivator for me to take up meditation, to get to the source of who I am.
Speaker: All my out-of-body experiences were simply a sort of by-product.
Speaker: They happened sort of by accident.
Speaker: And then, because they happened so often and they were so profound and so vivid, I started keeping a diary.
Speaker: of them and i left the diary for 30 odd years before i started going through them and then compiling them you know into a book which actually happened more or less by accident you know but but um yeah so so the most profound experiences are these experiences where you're
Speaker: where you go through various levels of consciousness and various levels of reality which become increasingly more lucid and more clear.
Speaker: And the feeling is, the way you approach the higher states is by a feeling of homecoming.
Speaker: That's really interesting.
Speaker: You feel you're coming home.
Speaker: And you can gauge by how close you are to your true source, by how close you feel related to your hope.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: It's a very, very powerful archetype.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: When you say true source, what does that mean for you?
Speaker: I know a lot of people have different definitions or concepts of that.
Speaker: Yes, it's something which is almost impossible to describe, really.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's really, can only be experience.
Speaker: The thing is, you are no longer, how do I describe it?
Speaker: You're in a state of pure being, which is not associated, there's no identification.
Speaker: You know, there's no identification with your persona, with your job.
Speaker: You know, all this ceases and you just become a being, if you like, which has got no attachments, no attributes even.
Speaker: You know, you're a pure self.
Speaker: And of course, that doesn't mean that you stop being a person.
Speaker: you know, your individuality is still intact.
Speaker: But during this state of being, you are totally liberated from the identification of your persona.
Speaker: And there's a tremendous release.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That's a bit hard.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Wow, that sounds so cool.
Speaker: It reminds me of sort of what a goal for meditation is.
Speaker: It's like escaping the weight of the projected identity that we get from our daily lives and sort of like reaching in and being more of that limitless person
Speaker: energetic potential that we all have inside of ourselves.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So if we're meditating and we're reading your books and learning how to hopefully one day be able to achieve astral projection or lucid dreaming as a start, what are some early signs that someone is on the right track?
Speaker: Like what's something to look out for in your practice?
Speaker: Well, I mean, there are different ways of achieving that.
Speaker: A lot of people speak about a vibratory state, you know, where they feel a vibration in their body initially.
Speaker: I don't feel that anymore.
Speaker: You know, very early on, one of my...
Speaker: in the beginning stages, the way I can describe it is, it's a bit like being born and the ambiotic sac sort of bursts and it sets you free.
Speaker: And it can have the feeling, the way I experienced it initially, it was as if a thunderstorm was raging through my room and I was violently shaking.
Speaker: you know, and I became quite scared.
Speaker: I had no idea what was happening.
Speaker: Now, that was a very extreme form, but I persisted because I had read about it.
Speaker: I persisted and then this breakthrough came.
Speaker: And the way I describe it is you're going through the lower energy body, which is connecting the physical body to your astral body.
Speaker: And it's this low energy field that has to be sort of, you have to break through it, you know.
Speaker: So the vibration is a very natural phenomena for many out-of-body experiences that you are about to break through into the astral dimension, you know.
Speaker: So the thing is that people have to become aware of it and relax, relax into it.
Speaker: and not fight it or not do anything and just sort of maintain a feeling of joyful anticipation and letting go.
Speaker: And that is one of the states.
Speaker: The other state is by a lucid dream, which is much more gentle very often.
Speaker: And the way I do it when I have a lucid dream, first of all, if you have a dream,
Speaker: the best thing is to keep a note of all your dreams.
Speaker: And if you discover that you have a recurring dream,
Speaker: you elaborate on that dream, you visualize it, and before you go to sleep, you go into the memory of that dream, and you program yourself when you have this dream.
Speaker: For example, in my case it is, I always have dreams where I'm parking my car, and then when I come back and want to drive away, the car has been stolen.
Speaker: is no longer there.
Speaker: That's a recurring dream.
Speaker: And so I programmed myself.
Speaker: Each time I find, I realized that my car has been stolen, I realized that it is a dream because in reality, my car gets never stolen.
Speaker: Hilarious.
Speaker: So you use that clue to say, aha, my car has been stolen.
Speaker: That is a dream.
Speaker: Okay, so you can use various recurring dreams as a cue or as an anchor to induce lucidity.
Speaker: Now, once you achieve lucidity, the world is your oyster.
Speaker: You can literally do whatever you think of.
Speaker: You can conjure up whatever you like.
Speaker: You are at liberty to explore things
Speaker: the world to do whatever comes to your mind, to change your shape, to fly, to visit other countries and so on.
Speaker: You can even go into meditation.
Speaker: And that is the thing I mostly do when I have a lucid dream.
Speaker: I say to myself, oh, I'm lucid.
Speaker: I'm going to meditate.
Speaker: And of course, when you meditate in a lucid dream,
Speaker: it's like launching a rocket from space rather than from Earth where it has to overcome gravity.
Speaker: I've not tried to do that yet.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So all I did very early on, when I had a lucid dream, I went straight into meditation.
Speaker: And the way I did that, I used a mantra.
Speaker: And the mantra, I fell back.
Speaker: I used various mantras.
Speaker: One mantra I actually received from a dream character who was my guide and teacher.
Speaker: But another one is a normal Aum mantra, you know.
Speaker: The Om Mantra is a very powerful vibration which connects you to your source consciousness.
Speaker: And what I found was when I chant the mantra in my lucid dream, it lifts me out up into the air.
Speaker: It's almost as if I'm flying, flying up into the air and then things start happening.
Speaker: For example, give you an example of what happened to me.
Speaker: Suddenly I find it snowing, you know, and the snowflakes are every snowflake that touched me was giving me a feeling of joy.
Speaker: So it was like a blessing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It enhanced my feeling and I suddenly became more and more ecstatic.
Speaker: Okay, so this...
Speaker: This mantra connected me to the higher state of consciousness and it came in the form of snowflakes.
Speaker: At another time, it came in the form of flower petals, like rose petals.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And another time, suddenly the sky opened and there were about a sort of thousand angels singing.
Speaker: Oh my gosh.
Speaker: Could you hear it?
Speaker: Do you remember what it sounded like?
Speaker: Yeah, it was like a massive choir and incredibly beautiful chorus.
Speaker: Now, because I'm a rational human being, I quickly thought, okay, that's, they're not really a thousand angels, you know, just to see me.
Speaker: But it doesn't matter.
Speaker: Even if they were thought forms, it doesn't matter.
Speaker: The feeling is one of total rapture.
Speaker: Later, I wasn't so sure anymore.
Speaker: I thought maybe there are all these people who are just happy to see somebody breaking out into their world.
Speaker: So they may have been there and say, oh, there's Jürgen, you know,
Speaker: come on everybody, we're giving him a good welcome.
Speaker: So I wasn't sure actually what was taking place.
Speaker: But if you look at this phenomena a little bit closer, the Buddhists,
Speaker: have a technique, they call it dream yoga.
Speaker: And they employ exactly this technique.
Speaker: They get out of the body or they go into a lucid dream and then they start meditating.
Speaker: And this meditation then takes them to their source consciousness.
Speaker: So I always felt if I don't meditate during my lucid dream, I'm wasting my time.
Speaker: But the thing is, I sometimes get sent on a mission.
Speaker: Okay, so there is some force at work that says, Jürgen, that's where you're going now.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And I said, no, I don't want to.
Speaker: I want to let you go.
Speaker: That's where I'm going to send you.
Speaker: That's where you have to go.
Speaker: And that's really interesting.
Speaker: And that is where I sort of collected all my reports, which I filled in my books.
Speaker: There were some very harrowing experiences.
Speaker: Back in the 70s, I was in a torture chamber where the victims of the Chilean government, the dictatorship, where there was a guy who was tortured to death.
Speaker: And I was there with a guide, and I had to help him transition.
Speaker: so that he didn't get, because of the trauma, didn't go into a very negative level.
Speaker: It was a very unpleasant situation, but because I had the connection to a higher consciousness, I wasn't really emotionally affected because I could see what the outcome would be, and the outcome was very positive for the guy who had to go through this trauma.
Speaker: So you're bringing up a really fascinating and important point about a common theme or feature of these experiences, which is the relationship between our consciousness and what we perceive within our own experience.
Speaker: and also the differing degrees of our ability to be creative across the different dimensions.
Speaker: And you've described in your books how some of the higher dimensions we can create at the speed of thought, like whatever we want, whatever we think about, as long as we can generate that feeling with the emotion, with the combined the thought and the emotion, we can literally construct worlds.
Speaker: Is that accurate?
Speaker: Yes, but that very much depends on our state of consciousness and the dimensional level we are on.
Speaker: If we, for example, are on the lower dimensional level, it's very hard to create people
Speaker: I mean, part of my experiences was investigating the so-called afterlife states, you know, because I visited, communicated or visited my mother who had died in 1975, and 95, and various relatives, and I linked up with them and I explored the environment, what they're up to, what they're doing, their progression, you know, the evolution, all these sort of things.
Speaker: And that is very much part of my things I do to find out the nature of these places, you know.
Speaker: And I found out on the lower dimensional levels, there are actually more or less copies of our physical life.
Speaker: So a lot of people who die, they don't even know anything has changed.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's really interesting because there are a lot of people, people who have had no idea about and so-called afterlife or out of body experience.
Speaker: They simply don't know, they're dead.
Speaker: And I've had various experiences where I talked to people who didn't know.
Speaker: One of them was a friend of my wife's.
Speaker: He was, last time we saw him, he was in hospital dying of cancer.
Speaker: And when I saw him after he died, I asked him how he was.
Speaker: He said, oh, he's feeling a lot better.
Speaker: He's getting over it.
Speaker: He was aware that he was ill, but he had no clue that he has actually transitioned.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: So this leads me to a very interesting thought and concept when you're saying that there's other dimensions that are very, very similar to this dimension and people don't even know that they're, that they're dead.
Speaker: Could that mean in a way that in this dimension we're also dead if all the dimensions are connected?
Speaker: Like, I'm curious, having all of these various experiences traveling to all kinds of levels of consciousness, how do you understand where we are here at this level, having the context of all the other levels?
Speaker: Yes, well, the way I see it, we are in a dream world here on the physical level because people are unaware, okay?
Speaker: People are not, people talk about vogue and awakening.
Speaker: You know, people think they're awakened if they adopt a new belief system.
Speaker: They say, oh, I had a friend in the 70s that was really interesting.
Speaker: I went to India with him to an ashram.
Speaker: And when we came back months later, he said, I've seen the light.
Speaker: You know, I saw him distributing leaflets.
Speaker: He said, Jürgen, everything is totally clear.
Speaker: I've seen the light.
Speaker: I said, blimey, tell me about it.
Speaker: He said, yes, I joined the Communist Party.
Speaker: You know, so to him, that was an awakening, you know, after he read all the marks and whatever.
Speaker: And I thought, yes, so that's not what it's all about.
Speaker: Awakening is a total break with, you know,
Speaker: with a known, it's a break with everything that is known, what you think you know, okay?
Speaker: You realize for the first time that there's nothing to know, there's only being.
Speaker: And as soon as you think you know, you're entering a dream state.
Speaker: You know, you're creating- Tell me about that, the difference between knowing and being.
Speaker: Yeah, so that's the thing.
Speaker: If you are in a being state, you are awake.
Speaker: If you are thinking and creating
Speaker: a belief world around your ideas, and you can see it at the moment, I mean, in the election, you know, there are Republicans and there are Democrats, and they have got their own dreams of reality.
Speaker: And if the reality of the other party doesn't tally with their reality, they become the enemy, okay?
Speaker: And there are so many enemy,
Speaker: enemies around at the moment.
Speaker: There are so many contradictory dreams running in parallel that we are living in a bit of a nebulous cloud as mankind, you know.
Speaker: And the whole point is to get out of these nebulous dreams, we need to reach a state of awakening.
Speaker: of realizing who we are, you know, and see the context of our true self in the world.
Speaker: And that's a challenge.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: As long as this dream goes on, we are working through our problems and our issues.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: A big theme of your books and your experiences is identity.
Speaker: How do you view yourself, or rather, how have your astral experiences affected or influenced how you see yourself and how you understand who you are?
Speaker: You keep bringing up this concept of source and coming closer to source.
Speaker: I would love to hear a little bit about that.
Speaker: Yes, it's been a long process, I have to say, you know, because awakening is a gradual process, you know.
Speaker: And the way I experienced it, I had awakenings, you know, maybe once every blue moon initially.
Speaker: I had a very powerful one.
Speaker: when I was quite young.
Speaker: And that changed my life because I was walking around in a state of unity for about three weeks and I couldn't figure out who that thing was that was maneuvering this body because I could have just as easily mistaken it for a duck.
Speaker: Because there was no difference between me, the outside world was I. And this was a state also ironically of incredible peace because there was no otherness.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And that was a big breakthrough for me.
Speaker: And after that, I could never go quite back to it.
Speaker: But it's taken me at least 40 years to make this state permanent.
Speaker: You know, so the last time, the next breakthrough came about sort of 2013 when I went on a silent retreat to Scotland and I was meditating for eight hours a day.
Speaker: And that was the last time I found I could no longer relate to my personal history.
Speaker: Okay, that was just the being state.
Speaker: And that is now the status quo.
Speaker: And to describe it, it's quite difficult.
Speaker: It's almost as if you're continuing, wherever you walk, wherever you are, it's almost like you're standing under a lamp.
Speaker: You know, so it's a lamp.
Speaker: which casts light on you and makes you feel totally at home.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker: So the thing is, it's like when you're going out shopping, you never leave your sitting room, if you like.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: You're always at home.
Speaker: I went to Morocco about a year ago.
Speaker: I went to Morocco and I felt at home in a totally strange land.
Speaker: It was my home.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And that's the difference.
Speaker: And there are no strangers.
Speaker: When you talk to people, okay, you don't see any strangers.
Speaker: They are all friends, if you like, because you recognize they're the same.
Speaker: You know, we all run on the same fuel.
Speaker: And that, of course, gives you a sense of freedom, a sense of peace.
Speaker: That is the most prominent feeling, is the feeling of stillness.
Speaker: It's a constant stillness.
Speaker: There's no movement.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And you can always, it's difficult not to feel it.
Speaker: It's more difficult to get out of it.
Speaker: And the moment you do, you feel you're an exile.
Speaker: You don't belong there.
Speaker: You know, so you need to remind yourself of your true state.
Speaker: And that's what awakening does.
Speaker: It simply reminds us of who we really are.
Speaker: And that's a key thing.
Speaker: And that solves a lot of problems.
Speaker: That's a very powerful experience.
Speaker: And it seems like that could be
Speaker: something that could lead the world to a lot of conflict resolution if more people were able to experience transcendent experiences like that, or basically just really experience truth.
Speaker: This is the way I see it.
Speaker: Because we all have access to that state.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: That's a key thing.
Speaker: That is what people have to remember.
Speaker: They have to... When I went to Scotland and had this...
Speaker: very powerful experience.
Speaker: The best way I can describe it, it was a recall, a recall of how things really are and where we belong, what we are.
Speaker: It was a memory.
Speaker: And at that moment, I realized everybody has said they just got a filter in front of them, okay, a film.
Speaker: But everybody is
Speaker: totally already in this state.
Speaker: It's just that there's a destruction, there's a screen, you know, frosted glass.
Speaker: Yeah, it's really interesting that you said if we continue to be in this dream world, we're going to continue to be
Speaker: sort of in a loop of figuring out our problems.
Speaker: And I thought that was really cool because I know that you can tell the difference between a regular dream and when you are having a lucid dream or you're downloading information from the collective consciousness.
Speaker: You can tell the difference between those experiences while you're sleeping.
Speaker: And I thought about one of the ways to notice that is a lot of times just a regular dream will be about
Speaker: sort of a stressor that's been on your mind or just something that you need to do that's nagging in your mind.
Speaker: Um, like your mind is venting about a problem.
Speaker: And it's interesting that like the, the global zeitgeist sort of has that theme as well of just constant issues, constant conflict, constant, uh, you know, incoherent and chaotic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like
Speaker: interaction.
Speaker: So it sort of aligns with that philosophy that we are in a dream.
Speaker: Yes, yes, it's very, very strong.
Speaker: This dream awareness, to become lucid in this dream, becoming awake, relating to the present moment, that's the easiest way to connect to it by sort of seeing what's there and just sort of
Speaker: letting all the other things go, go to the pure moment.
Speaker: You know, that's the thing.
Speaker: If you can hold this, of course, I think it's very much like something one almost has to get used to in a way.
Speaker: At one point, I just had to look at something.
Speaker: to remind me that it's reality, that it's being, okay?
Speaker: And everything I looked at was a clue for me to remind myself that it's, you know, being, it's everywhere, okay?
Speaker: I can't get lost because the mere fact that things exist, you know, puts me back into connection of it.
Speaker: Because the rest is only thoughts, only our dreams, you know?
Speaker: The metaphor of the lamp was very well said.
Speaker: It made me happy and
Speaker: It's a beautiful, I mean, I suppose it's a philosophy, but also, I mean, it's really more of just a description of reality and something that I know to be true as well.
Speaker: In my own experience, albeit perhaps, you know, temporarily, right, in short moments, it reminds me, I did a seven-day water fast with my friend Ace, who's maybe listening right now, and...
Speaker: coming out of that, I felt amazing.
Speaker: Just the most lucid and clear that I've ever felt in my life in maybe the week after I started eating again.
Speaker: And it was like, oh wow.
Speaker: What was so profound about it was to experientially know that there are higher dimensions of consciousness.
Speaker: And it's something that is hard to describe, right?
Speaker: Hard to put into words because by nature, it is an experience.
Speaker: It reminds me a lot of what Eckhart Tolle talks about the present moment.
Speaker: And by the way, you sound kind of very similar to him.
Speaker: Can you talk about similar things?
Speaker: Just throwing that out there.
Speaker: I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned that before.
Speaker: Yeah, I've got a, uh, in the seventies, I, I was a very strong.
Speaker: connoisseur of Krishnamurti.
Speaker: I don't know whether... Yes.
Speaker: Yeah, Krishnamurti is a sort of 1970s Eckhart Tolle, really.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: He talked about the same thing.
Speaker: And of course, Ramana Maharshi and these people, you know.
Speaker: It's all to do with that thing, you know, of awareness.
Speaker: And that's basically it.
Speaker: Christian Marti has one of my favorite quotes.
Speaker: It's no measure of health to be adjusted.
Speaker: Or it's what is it?
Speaker: It's like, yeah, it's no measure of health to be adjusted to a profoundly sick society or something like that.
Speaker: I love that quote.
Speaker: Mm hmm.
Speaker: Yeah, I wanted to share another metaphor that came to me in a similar way of like the way you're describing identity and personality and the oneness.
Speaker: My sister, when she was a kid, she used to sit in this corner of our room and she would play with her Barbie dolls and make them talk, you know, and make them play.
Speaker: Like hold them both up like this with their hands.
Speaker: And there's this like funny idea that came to me like that as a metaphor for our relationship with God in that it's almost like God is the person playing with the Barbie dolls and were the dolls in the bodies temporarily in this dimension experiencing life, having this experience.
Speaker: having this experience, but ultimately we come from that same source, that same energy that is the figure making the dolls move.
Speaker: Animating them.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's a nice picture.
Speaker: Yeah, the way I experienced it early on was when I had my first very powerful experience was I was left with what I called a silent companion.
Speaker: Okay, there was something all the time walking beside me.
Speaker: And I couldn't figure out what that was, you know, but it was a kind of presence.
Speaker: a benevolent present, but it never spoke to me.
Speaker: It never, but I only had to ask a question, direct a question to this presence and I would get the answer, you know.
Speaker: And the other thing is I never had a guru or a teacher as such.
Speaker: I always refer to this presence.
Speaker: And the presence would go away when I was being,
Speaker: inauthentic, okay, or was trying to play games or indulged in some superficial, artificial thing, you know, then this presence suddenly, I thought, oh, what happened to my silent companion, you know?
Speaker: So that was a way which taught me awareness, you know, when the silent companion left.
Speaker: The interesting thing was, you know,
Speaker: when I went to Scotland, the silent companion disappeared because I realized I was a silent companion.
Speaker: So I have no silent companion anymore.
Speaker: And so that's the thing.
Speaker: You only play the dolls' figures if you are still identified as a
Speaker: with the two characters, let's say, this Barbie doll character, if you're still identified, and this identification stops, you know, you are sort of the operator of the dolls, you know, that also means you have got unlimited freedom, you know, the world opens for you.
Speaker: Yeah, and I think this might be a good segue into what I'm really looking to ask you about past lives, past life experiences.
Speaker: And there's this one moment in the book, one of the two books, I forget which one, where you're talking about this tapestry and you're able to see all the different versions of yourself and some of which were not human.
Speaker: And I've had my own experience
Speaker: bizarre astral experience where like I was hanging out in some club in another dimension and I was like a blue bird and I had like a blue like like claws and I was trying to find a mirror to like see myself, but it wasn't working.
Speaker: So that is the only really like non-human sort of dream that I've ever had.
Speaker: And it stood out, of course, because that's like really strange.
Speaker: at this level but man i'd love to just if you could share a little bit about that tapestry experience that was so fascinating for me yes now that was an interesting thing because um another way of describing it because it's
Speaker: experiencing the whole of your being state of your self, you know, in all the shapes is like an infinite three dimensional web.
Speaker: And you can, and when you're in the higher state of consciousness, that's how you see yourself, your history.
Speaker: And then you can, certain things poke out,
Speaker: the flash in the web and as you zoom into it you know it gets closer suddenly you see you enter into your path in another role you paleate in a past life okay so there are these there are these junctions and you go into it and you are it you know for example if i in in one of the experiences i was um uh
Speaker: on another planet and I was digging for treasures and things, you know, and it was very strange because difficult to describe, we were digging for images and stones which would render other matter transparent.
Speaker: And it was a very strange kind of life which was definitely not,
Speaker: on the physical level.
Speaker: And so, but when I was experiencing it, I was actually handling the things I knew, my family, you know, everything of that person.
Speaker: But at the same time, I was aware that I was having this experience, okay?
Speaker: And then you can zoom out of it and then you can also see things in the web which need attention.
Speaker: you know, problem areas.
Speaker: And I felt this is the way reincarnation happens.
Speaker: You know, you pick up certain problem areas and they all congeal.
Speaker: And then they're attracted to a constellation on earth, let's say, you know, certain parents.
Speaker: There's a sort of attraction going on.
Speaker: It's like a supercomputer.
Speaker: you know, which, which, or quantum computer.
Speaker: It's an amazing mechanism which brings all these things together.
Speaker: And then you have an,
Speaker: incarnation where you have the opportunity to work with these issues.
Speaker: Once you have worked with them, you know, and you go back, you can see, ah, that spot of the web is sort of not so dark anymore.
Speaker: You know, some certain things happened with it.
Speaker: You know, there's things resolved.
Speaker: And so this web is a sum total of who you are.
Speaker: know and and you can i've had different past life experiences which i described in more detail in my first book but but this is a interesting way of finding out who you are and very often i found the way i was attracted to past lives was where i needed to know
Speaker: certain characteristics of mine, you know, certain shortcomings, why were they there?
Speaker: And they showed up in a past life.
Speaker: You know, let's say I was a very mean bastard.
Speaker: And I did things or said things, which I said, what did I just say?
Speaker: Where did this come from?
Speaker: And then having out of body experience, bang, I went straight there and I recognized it.
Speaker: And then when I recognized it, it went.
Speaker: It's a bit like hypnotherapy or counseling.
Speaker: You go back into a thing, so you face them, you know where they come from, and then they're dissolved.
Speaker: And you can do that with lucid dreams as well.
Speaker: That's so cool.
Speaker: I've had many experiences like that.
Speaker: Like I have a ton.
Speaker: I have a very like really was, I don't know what you would call it.
Speaker: I don't want to like give it a verb or whatever, but like I have a lot of really crazy dreams or dream world experiences.
Speaker: A lot of, um, I encountered different universes, different beings that aren't human.
Speaker: Sometimes they're not even entirely like human.
Speaker: They're like, uh, made of objects.
Speaker: I've had, uh, I've experienced entire civilizations of insects that have like, I've had the most crazy things.
Speaker: And I've also experienced like, um, more human things like communicating with past loved ones or, um, you know, receiving precognitive messages or warnings or things like that.
Speaker: And I understand, or like past lives, I've talked to friends who have had a lot of past life experiences in their dreams, like someone dreamed about being a Viking warrior and sort of experienced the trauma of having murdered in war.
Speaker: And of course, in this waking life, they've never experienced anything like that.
Speaker: And it's easier to piece the piece, those pieces together and understand like what you can do with those experiences.
Speaker: Like you can heal parts of your personality or traumas that you've been through.
Speaker: But when we're experiencing these other dimensions and completely foreign realms, what do we do with that?
Speaker: Is there, is there an answer or is it just an experience?
Speaker: Is there a value or is it just something that we're blessed to get to experience?
Speaker: Yes, I don't think our mind, our present mind, our cognitive mind, you know, we carry on at the moment.
Speaker: It's not really its job or it can't really deal with it on its own, you know.
Speaker: It's just, it's our super consciousness which puts all these things into place and puts it all together, you know.
Speaker: So we have got...
Speaker: we are limited in what we can do with these things, you know, but it's when we see ourselves no longer as a person tied to time and space and a role we play at the moment, but see ourselves from our true self, then these things start making sense, you know, from that point of view, they make sense.
Speaker: Here we may experience the most incredible things, but
Speaker: they may not make any sense or we think oh that's really unjust or that's really fortunate or whatever and it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker: We have to see it in a greater context of what we are, you know, and that is only really possible when we get to back to our home state, you know.
Speaker: So something I'm dying to ask you is about the independence of these other dimensions in that when we have a lucid dream, we become aware.
Speaker: Are we in a sense pushing away a part of ourselves that is currently in that dimension, having his or her own experience independently of us or something, or is there something else going on there?
Speaker: Like, do we exist simultaneously in other dimensions all at once?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes, we are multidimensional beings.
Speaker: We are only aware of the place where we place our awareness, our attention.
Speaker: That's, for example, at the moment, it's a physical place.
Speaker: But simultaneously, we're also operating on other dimensions.
Speaker: And the thing is...
Speaker: For example, if you, let's say you're in your office, you're doing some work and typing, but at the same time you think, oh, you know, looking forward to my holiday, okay?
Speaker: And you're walking along a beach somewhere warm and sunny, and your mental body is actually on the beach, walking along there and enjoying the sunshine.
Speaker: Now, if you,
Speaker: had the power to actually focus on that beach long enough, you would actually, your awareness would then jump into life and you would really be there.
Speaker: And if that happens, and some people can do that, I spoke to a woman whose husband is continuously out of body.
Speaker: you know, almost always.
Speaker: And he doesn't speak to, she interviews him, you know, there's a book she has written.
Speaker: And the thing is, you can transport your awareness from one state to another if you have reached that level of unfoldment, you know, so you can actually be aware of the other bodies.
Speaker: I mean, the best way I can describe it was when I was,
Speaker: riding a bike along the beach one day, one sunny day, I was riding the bike and suddenly I was also on another dimensional level from where I could see me riding the bike.
Speaker: But the landscape I was riding through was different and it was, um, it was much brighter and, uh,
Speaker: And more hard to describe.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There's an experience like of different kinds of physics that I've noticed too in these experiences where like you see colors that we don't see here, but you can't remember them or explain them because we don't have the hardware to do that or like.
Speaker: I don't like that.
Speaker: There's the light is different.
Speaker: Like light is brighter in certain places, like things that are like iridescent are sparkling and other dimensions are like just it's overwhelming how beautiful it is.
Speaker: So I think I kind of know what you're talking about there.
Speaker: Yes, exactly.
Speaker: I mean, that's a really good point because a lot of the time when I get into these states and I think these are so real, these words are so real, they are so wonderful.
Speaker: Okay, why is that not front page news?
Speaker: Because, come on, you know, this is reality.
Speaker: But when I come back into this physical body, I can't catch it.
Speaker: I have the picture in my mind, but there's no way I can translate it.
Speaker: because it's just out of reach for the physical brain, you know.
Speaker: So here comes the virtual reality.
Speaker: I try to get back into environments which are literally indescribable and literally they don't exist here.
Speaker: They can't exist.
Speaker: And yet I'm still not
Speaker: able to because it's on a different level of consciousness.
Speaker: So what I'm trying to do with these virtual reality things, I create words where I use light and I use it, the way I use it is mist, you know, like there's a pervading light.
Speaker: And I try to create an atmosphere, a kind of feeling, and hopefully
Speaker: it will trigger a memory in people.
Speaker: So that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker: I hope when they put the headset on and they're surrounded by these colors and these sort of patterns and whatever they say, oh, yeah, hang on a minute.
Speaker: That reminds me of something.
Speaker: And hopefully, if that triggers a lucid dream,
Speaker: you know, that would be brilliant.
Speaker: This is what I'm trying to do.
Speaker: Perhaps do something which will trigger something in people like a memory, you know, like you just said, what you just described, you know, wouldn't be good if you could just sort of trigger this and get back into this.
Speaker: Yeah, so VR is fascinating and it seems like a perfect tool for you to be able to share your experiences with other people, as you were mentioning and as I've
Speaker: know from my own experience as well, it's so challenging to convey what these worlds are like.
Speaker: And it's just mind-blowing because I, to this day, still have very clear and vivid memories of being in other dimensions, truly feeling embodied in there.
Speaker: And to the same degree, and the best way to describe it is like,
Speaker: For those listening, for those watching, wherever you are, whatever you're looking at and feeling, the level of clarity that you're experiencing now, imagine that in a dream.
Speaker: That same level of detail and that same level of presence.
Speaker: In fact, what's so just like,
Speaker: hard to process is actually, it's not even the same level detail, it's more.
Speaker: Hyper real.
Speaker: For example, I don't need, you know, my vision here is not the best.
Speaker: It's not awful, but it's not the best.
Speaker: And I wear glasses sometimes.
Speaker: I don't need glasses in other dimensions.
Speaker: My vision is perfect.
Speaker: And it's just stunning the level of detail of when I'm able to look at my hand or look at an object or look at the walls and see art on the walls.
Speaker: And okay, so here's something that I'm really dying to ask you as well.
Speaker: I have so many questions.
Speaker: So it reminds me of like,
Speaker: I've had a few dreams where I've noticed that there's it's like it's like it's like a memory.
Speaker: There's something familiar about the environment where I've been here before.
Speaker: It's maybe not the exact same room, but it's like a different room in the same building, perhaps, for example.
Speaker: Am I visiting a place that is persistent, like in the same way that I can go out to out on the street right now and go down to go down to a cafe and I know it's going to be there?
Speaker: Does it work similarly?
Speaker: I guess this is sort of an obvious question or there's an obvious answer, but there's it's hard for me to wrap my head around that because we're so used to dreams being this sort of like loose.
Speaker: Nebulous kind of like.
Speaker: Weird mess of just like things we can't remember.
Speaker: No, there are localities which are persistent.
Speaker: Persistent localities.
Speaker: For example, I personally have got at least two houses I visit regularly.
Speaker: Oh man, what are they like?
Speaker: Yeah, one house I described in my last book, Vistors of Infinity, I know every room, everything, but because I haven't visited it for a while, I found, last time I came back, there were squatters.
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: And the squatters immediately recognized that I was the owner.
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: And I made contact with one of the guys, and he said, look, I'll give you a guided tour, you know.
Speaker: And he introduced me, and they were all artists.
Speaker: That's really interesting.
Speaker: So bizarre.
Speaker: Because my house was sort of, had the art imprint, and all the people who lived there were all artists.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: So I was looking at their artwork and we had a great time really because there were various types of characters.
Speaker: It's in my book, Vistas of Infinity, if you want to read up on it.
Speaker: And there are other localities I'm very familiar with, you know, and I visit and different parts of Brighton, for example, near where we live,
Speaker: I go to various parts which look totally different to what they are in the physical reality, but there's always the same on the astral level.
Speaker: We have actually, especially if you dream a lot, you will find
Speaker: And if you record you're doing, we will find the same places popping up over and over again because we have got some quantum link.
Speaker: higher dimensional levels, you know, some entanglement, quantum entanglement, states of consciousness, which are rooted, certain localities, which are rooted on another dimensional level.
Speaker: And very early on, I found, and that's why I called my book, Multidimensional Man, that every place has got
Speaker: a locality on right up to the source has got levels and you can always recognize them even if they look totally different.
Speaker: So I always went to a place and I recognized, oh, that is Hamburg, you know, although it looked completely different, you know, but I recognized this, it's like the soul of the place, you know, which feeds right through to the physical level.
Speaker: And I went to a place in Hamburg near the art school where I was taught.
Speaker: There was a chapel, a church.
Speaker: And on the astral level, I visited the place, the church, but it looked completely different.
Speaker: And then I thought, OK, next time I go to Hamburg, I visit this place.
Speaker: And I instantly recognized the atmosphere.
Speaker: the same atmosphere, okay?
Speaker: So it was just a different expression of the church.
Speaker: And that's really interesting.
Speaker: And yes, I had a lot of these multidimensional localities, you know, and so, yeah.
Speaker: It makes me think of like how we have longitude and latitude here for navigating around the planet.
Speaker: I don't know what you would call it.
Speaker: In the dimensions.
Speaker: On a like a higher multidimensional level.
Speaker: But I have had this sort of image in my mind for a long time when I'm wondering about these things of like sort of like a stereolithographic holographic universe.
Speaker: And it's almost like we tune...
Speaker: our consciousness to different frequencies that then match certain wavelengths.
Speaker: And then we can materialize on different realms depending on if the frequency matches up.
Speaker: So I don't know.
Speaker: That's just, that's just what makes what the, what it makes me think about when you talk about like reaching different localities and having better control over like how to tune the dial to, to reach those frequencies at will would be really cool.
Speaker: Yeah, it takes a lot of practice.
Speaker: But yeah, I mean, it's just a reality, you know, it's just a matter of tuning our perception.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It reminds me, I mean, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker: I grew up in Union Square in New York City, and I've had a number of experiences, number of dreams, lucid dreams, where I visited what I could really best describe as the higher dimensional versions of Union Square, where it was very, it looked similar, but different.
Speaker: In that I immediately knew where I was.
Speaker: I felt like I was home.
Speaker: I recognized it.
Speaker: But all the restaurants were different.
Speaker: There was a lot more people.
Speaker: There was a lot more activity.
Speaker: And there was something about it.
Speaker: I'm reminded of your book, how you describe it.
Speaker: It's almost like these other dimensions.
Speaker: well, rather some dimensions, because not all of them, some of the dimensions, they have more energy, there's higher energy.
Speaker: So that higher energy is going to reflect and manifest as more people, as brighter colors, as bigger buildings, as just more almost like cartoon circus-esque type of vibes that are not necessarily as present here on this level.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: As I found in some
Speaker: In some experience, I found everything was running faster.
Speaker: Everything was going in hyperdrive.
Speaker: There was more activity.
Speaker: And I became quite exhausted after a while to participate in this hyperactivity.
Speaker: And I thought, oh, they are on a totally different vibration.
Speaker: And I had to take myself away from this
Speaker: hyperdrive activity, you know.
Speaker: So I know what you're talking about.
Speaker: And this is equally true with the profusion of the environment, you know, the complexity, you know, you're walking through a world where things are so incredibly complex.
Speaker: For example, I went through a city
Speaker: And it was just unbelievable how detailed a whole house was, which would take people hundreds of years to carve little figurines set in bricks, which were incredibly complex.
Speaker: And the whole house was made out of these incredibly complex figurines.
Speaker: totally mind-blowing.
Speaker: And as you went closer, you could see there was movement, you know, and things like that.
Speaker: It's out of this world.
Speaker: And the thing is, of course,
Speaker: It's basically energy which is released from the physical state, which is very slow.
Speaker: You know, very here, we can't do that.
Speaker: We have to take time.
Speaker: time and skill to create something even remotely.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So we absolutely can create in this dimension.
Speaker: I mean, we look around, everything around us is created by
Speaker: well not everything a lot of if we live in a city for example most of what we see in a city was created by other humans right the buildings the roads and the technology and that took a person or a group of people right to go from the will in the imagination and barbara marx hubbard talks about that that process of manifestation if everything first begins in the in the mind and the imagination then in action right and then in reality and
Speaker: The difference, I suppose, after reading and learning about your experiences between this dimension and the other dimensions is it's the rate of speed in which we're able to create.
Speaker: Here, it's just everything is a little bit slower, whereas in other dimensions, it's almost like instantaneous.
Speaker: And perhaps there's... We could almost think of this dimension as sort of like a training ground or...
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I mean, have you considered like for what purpose the limitations are on this dimension?
Speaker: Like, you know, we can't fly in this dimension, but we can fly in many other dimensions.
Speaker: We can create, but we can create much slower.
Speaker: So what have you considered?
Speaker: Like, have you found out or discovered what the purpose of that is?
Speaker: Yes, I think it's basically resistance, you know.
Speaker: The reason why so many people feel drawn to the physical dimension is because there's resistance.
Speaker: And resistance causes an incredible challenge, which you need to grapple with and overcome.
Speaker: And that's why people get maximum learning experience on this dimension, because they're continuously confronted with resistance, problems, and challenges.
Speaker: And that activates part in our soul, which we can only get in a physical environment.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: And that's why the world is so overcrowded.
Speaker: Because you have a part of it, you know.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That's very helpful.
Speaker: So there's something about the resistance, the quality of resistance in this earth, this dimension, that our souls are attracted to because in other dimensions,
Speaker: There is not there really is no resistance or there's significantly less resistance in that we can just go fly around and create and just have a blast going all different places.
Speaker: But here it's like it's a unique sort of space where we're going to be put through a level of challenge that is not found.
Speaker: as much in other places.
Speaker: Like having instantaneous skills that you want to have.
Speaker: I've had experiences where I knew how to play guitar really well.
Speaker: I've had two lessons in my whole life, but I've had experiences where I knew how to play guitar very well.
Speaker: And it was, you can't dream that you know and experience the knowing of it or learning very dense subject matter and knowing it very well
Speaker: And having spent no time learning it, that's another crazy experience, but like here in the physical realm, you know, it takes years to become an expert on a topic or like learn instrument or something like that.
Speaker: That's right, and also on the next dimension, you can draw from experience you already had much more easily.
Speaker: So you find yourself on the astral level, let's say, and you touch a piano and suddenly you can play.
Speaker: Because all the memory is still there, the skill set is still there.
Speaker: You know, that's really easy.
Speaker: But of course, there are other challenges
Speaker: on those dimensions which are unique for those dimensions.
Speaker: That's why people, there are lots of things you can do which you cannot do here.
Speaker: And you can experience and learn which you cannot down here.
Speaker: But if you really want to be challenged, you get a physical body.
Speaker: Love it.
Speaker: So for those listening, you know, if you're struggling with, um, you know, something in your life, just remember this, this part of the conversation, right?
Speaker: There's a reason for it.
Speaker: There's, there's a part there.
Speaker: There's something that we, we, we came here actually to experience that.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: And so it's all about knowing that we can overcome it and it's any, you know, we can, we can accomplish whatever we, we put our mind to.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So we should wrap up soon, but I want to explore one final.
Speaker: OK, yeah, I know it's getting a little late there and we super appreciate your time.
Speaker: Just the concept of death and, you know, I heard you talking about this in previous interviews.
Speaker: And of course, you write a lot about it in your your books.
Speaker: You know, when I'm in these other dimensions,
Speaker: the first question I find myself asking just out loud in my mind in that space is, is this, are we in the afterlife?
Speaker: Is this where people come when we die?
Speaker: And of course your book, you know, it's like Vistas of Infinity.
Speaker: I forget something about the tagline is about the, about the afterlife.
Speaker: And you mentioned something very beautiful about how we're still connected to our loved ones, even after they've passed on to other dimensions.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Can you talk a little bit about that connection and what that means for you?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I mean, I had a lot of experience with my deceased mother and with my brother-in-law, who I never really got built up a rapport, you know, ever really built up a rapport with my brother-in-law.
Speaker: But then when he died, I visited him and he apologized to me, you know, and we became really good friends.
Speaker: And things like that.
Speaker: And also my mother, curiously enough, who never was open to, I told her about it when she became a, and I gave her a book about the afterlife, but she wasn't interested.
Speaker: And then she started teaching me, you know, telling me things, you know, for example, she said, Jürgen, you have to stop looking at me as your mother.
Speaker: And she made a very clear point about that.
Speaker: Because- That's trippy.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And the thing is, she picked things up, which were very profound.
Speaker: And I said, what do you mean?
Speaker: And then I thought, okay, maybe next time I'm down here, she may be my brother.
Speaker: You know, who knows?
Speaker: We don't know what we choose in order to benefit from our intense connectedness.
Speaker: And that's the other thing.
Speaker: The key thing of a good connection is
Speaker: this person we have lost is love.
Speaker: Because love takes us right through to the core level of where we are closest to the person.
Speaker: So we can never lose a person when we love the person.
Speaker: I noticed that, for example, my father in my latest book, I lost my father when I was nine years old.
Speaker: I had problems finding him on the astral level.
Speaker: And then on one occasion, I said, take me to my father, you know, and I ended up on a farm in Eastern Russia.
Speaker: And that was my brother as a 12 year old boy with a push bike.
Speaker: And I, he stopped and
Speaker: He didn't say anything, but in his astral body, he said, Jürgen, Jürgen.
Speaker: So he recognized me as a 12-year-old boy.
Speaker: And there was another boy next to him that was his father in the previous life.
Speaker: Of course, when I saw it, I had the whole download.
Speaker: And his mother was in the kitchen in this farm, and it was his mother.
Speaker: Now, my father lost his parents in the pandemic in 1918.
Speaker: Yeah, about 50 million people.
Speaker: He lost both his parents when he was two years old.
Speaker: Okay, he became orphan.
Speaker: And he had now in this life, he had his family back in
Speaker: where he lost it, you know.
Speaker: So I saw the whole thing playing out again, but he still recognized me as Jürgen because his astral memory was fully intact, you know.
Speaker: So it doesn't matter if we lose somebody, it doesn't matter where they are incarnated, they've still got their bodies intact.
Speaker: And the higher...
Speaker: The body is the more memory it has, you know.
Speaker: And if you have an astral travel, I don't know whether you have experienced that, but sometimes you have a dream and you meet people and when you wake up, you think they're good friends.
Speaker: And when you wake up and you wonder, how do I know these people?
Speaker: Where do I know them from?
Speaker: They're not on this level.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So we have relationships on the astral level.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think, have you ever experienced, um, I don't know, I call it body jumping.
Speaker: What sounds really creepy, but even people in this reality that I know in dream worlds, I've experienced them in other people's physical being, but I know that it's them wearing a different identity.
Speaker: And I've done that in dreams.
Speaker: Have you ever experienced that?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's crazy, right?
Speaker: It's like, what is going on?
Speaker: Yes, it's the thing.
Speaker: There's a multidimensionality of our consciousness.
Speaker: You know, we normally on this level, if you're not sort of trained in this, we tend to dismiss things as fancies or something, you know.
Speaker: But there is a reason for all these experiences.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah, well, I think I think it's a great stopping point.
Speaker: There's, of course, I mean, I have a whole list of questions we would have to have you back on at some point in the future.
Speaker: But I'm so grateful for you sharing your experiences in your books.
Speaker: And again, I encourage everyone listening.
Speaker: to go and read them.
Speaker: They're really entertaining and fun and interesting.
Speaker: And we'll really broaden your horizons about what is possible for us as conscious beings.
Speaker: And to recognize just the tremendous amount of power that we really have.
Speaker: And we're not that small self that we sometimes tell ourselves that we are.
Speaker: We believe in this fake idea that
Speaker: um you know we are you know powerless and that's what's what's so great about um what you're revealing for us and helping us remember is um our multi-dimensional self which is a has been kept secret uh for a long time and now you are helping uh to reveal it for all of us so thank you very much thank you and summer thank you
Speaker: One thing maybe at the end I like to say.
Speaker: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker: I do a video series, which is called Afterlife Answers.
Speaker: So what it is, people send in questions.
Speaker: And I talk about them in a small group.
Speaker: And on my video channel, there are all these 23 videos at the moment.
Speaker: There are all kinds of questions that are being answered.
Speaker: So I just thought I'd leave it.
Speaker: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker: And where else can people find more about your work and your books?
Speaker: Yeah, just if you type into YouTube my name, you will get all my
Speaker: other work coming up.
Speaker: And yeah, I'm still working.
Speaker: I'm keeping notes of what's happening.
Speaker: Eventually, I will write possibly another book.
Speaker: But it's got to be the right time and the right circumstances.
Speaker: So in the meantime, my website, my website is multidimensionalman.com.
Speaker: If you want to have the virtual reality experience, they're all free.
Speaker: I raised some money with people who supported it, which allowed me to do it.
Speaker: So everything I do in virtual reality will be out there free for anybody to download.
Speaker: And that is magicfantasyart.com.
Speaker: So these two websites, basically.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: Well, we will link to those in the show notes.
Speaker: Thank you so much, Urien, for your time.
Speaker: This has been a wonderful conversation.
Speaker: So much fun to explore all these other dimensions and possibilities.
Speaker: If you are listening,
Speaker: Still, please leave us a review on iTunes.
Speaker: That would be wonderful.
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Speaker: We'll be back in a few weeks and hope you have a fantastic week.
Speaker: See you soon.
Speaker: Thank you.
