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Farage's future and Reform's donation scandal
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Today John and Dejan are discussing the Reform donation scandal and what it means for the future of Farage and Reform UK. Go listen to hear them analyse this pressing issue. Please like, subscribe, comment, and share.
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Introduction and Nigel Farage's Background
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df
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Debatable Discussions podcast. Today we're talking about a topic that's been currently sort of in the tabloids, in the headlines. Every single newspaper, every Instagram post seems to be about one thing, actually about one person, that of course being the reform leader Nigel Farage. So John, for our listeners who perhaps are not from the UK,
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df
or perhaps they've been holiday taken a break from engaging with the news. What on earth is going on with Nigel Farage?
Controversial Donation and Its Implications
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John Gartside
Yes, Diane, I don't blame perhaps some of our listeners for taking a break from the news because think it's been perhaps fairly sombre recently, Starm's resignation, but also all these issues with Farage, which has sort of divided his electorate and lost him lot of support. So I think the story starts with a £5 million donation given by a Thai crypto billionaire, a Thai British crypto billionaire called Christopher Harbourn.
00:01:02
John Gartside
He's made his money in sort of lots of financial ways, some perhaps slightly more official, one could say, than others. I think he's recently been traced by sort of a Montenegrin crypto firm, which lobbies Farage.
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df
Right.
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John Gartside
But nonetheless, Christopher Harbourn gave Farage £5 million donation, which... around the time Faraj was campaigning in the 2024 elections.
Speculations and Changing Narratives
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df
initially.
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John Gartside
mean, I think there's been rumours that he used it to put a deposit on his house, and not for his personal security. But as I said, no one knows. So fairly suspicious.
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df
Yeah, I think definitely, and suspicious is sort of a nice way to put it, but
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
It started as saying was for his personal security, but the conversation quickly moved on as these sort of details were coming, as you've said, about him buying a house very quickly after receiving this money and then saying from, oh, it's personal for my security because I'm the most attacked politician the UK.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
That's frankly not true, firstly. There's two MPs that were assassinated and...
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John Gartside
Yeah, I suppose. I think... Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah, but in fairness, I...
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df
Yeah.
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John Gartside
I think he's got some sympathy, though, because there's been a recent murder of an MP of his party.
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df
Yeah.
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df
Yeah.
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John Gartside
think, I mean, I am very, very sceptical that the money perhaps was being spent on security, but I think the safety of MPs is not probably good enough.
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John Gartside
I mean, you see a member of his party's unfortunate, Leanne Whitaker, who hasn't even been murdered.
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John Gartside
His daughter's had press at her house. I think he's caught photographers in his garden.
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df
Well, I mean, he has posted a house for years and years and years on his Twitter.
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John Gartside
it's...
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John Gartside
Yeah, yeah.
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df
So.
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John Gartside
But, you know, mean, there's, you know, I definitely think he needs security, but I like you, Dan. I'm extremely sceptical that all that money is being spent on security.
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df
Yeah. And then from the security, we moved on to, oh, it's a, it's a gift for campaigning for Brexit.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
And then from a gift for campaigning for Brexit, it's an unconditional gift. I can spend it on Ferraris if I want to, end quote.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
And sort of, what's it got to do with you?
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
Why do you care? It's my money. But I think, as you've said, the controversy is he hasn't declared his money.
Financial Backers and Crypto Connections
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df
And I'd like to sort of rewind back just before, when Keir Starmer declared some sunglasses, some glasses, a suit,
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John Gartside
Yeah. Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
from Lord Ali, and Nigel was losing the plot.
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df
He was going on and saying how, you know, this is corrupt. No one gets money for no reason. And clearly there is something going on and there should be an investigation. Now, Starmer did the due diligence and declared it in time, in a timely fashion. Farage decided not to go down this route.
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df
And wonder what you think, John, about that. Why do you think he hasn't declared
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John Gartside
Yeah, I mean, I think he hasn't declared it down, frankly, because like you, I'm slightly sceptical what he's doing with it. He doesn't want to make it official. He wants to sort of keep it slightly covert. More recently, though, Times investigation has found that he's received almost sustained financial support from someone called George Cottrell.
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John Gartside
And that's what's really actually ignited fire about the donation scandal for Farage. I think people were, frankly, very skeptical when Harbourn's £5 million donation came in for a reason which I'll later allude to.
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John Gartside
But when he... But recently, his actually very close connection with a convicted fraudster called George Cottrell has been highlighted.
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John Gartside
mean,
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df
Posh George.
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John Gartside
Yes, posh George, they call him. And mean, George Cottrell is extremely dodgy. As I mentioned, Farage was alongside him at the airport when George got arrested for money laundering in the States after an FBI sting, I think.
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df
Yes.
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John Gartside
He's been involved in lots of sort of crypto schemes, sort of I mean, probably legal, but there's always a slight sense of dodginess, but involvement in sort of gambling syndicates and professional gambling.
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df
Well. Yeah.
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John Gartside
So mean, extremely dodgy. And he's been donating Farage lots in terms of accommodation. I think where it's even more worrying is people don't give five million pounds lots and lots of money for nothing.
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John Gartside
They always want something return.
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df
Yes. Yes.
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John Gartside
And both these figures are at the heart of this slightly sort of grey zone crypto world that is emerging. They're both big figures in this.
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John Gartside
I think Faraj I recently saw was actually talking to the Bank of England governor, Andrew Bailey, about... about sort of crypto rules and regulations. So I think they want almost, I would guess, Farage to sort of ease crypto regulations, make Britain more of a haven for people are big crypto investors like themselves. I think there's always something they want in return.
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John Gartside
What it is, is interesting. But I think really, they have a lot of influence over Farage, which is worrying. What do you think, Dayan?
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df
Yeah, absolutely. So firstly, to just give a bit of background and this sting operation by the FBI, George Cottrell was laundering money through crypto.
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John Gartside
Yeah. Yeah.
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df
I think it was Bitcoin, but definitely cryptocurrencies. And he thought that these drug dealers said, give me 20,000, I'll laundry it through crypto and it'll be fine. It'll be clean.
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df
And when they did that, he said, look, I want another 80,000 probably taking commission out of it. I want another 8,000. I'm reporting you to the FBI. What he didn't know was that the alleged drug traffickers were the FBI themselves. He got caught and sentenced to, I think, eight months in a US prison.
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df
Now...
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John Gartside
Yeah, would have probably been a lot more, I think, had Sven through all these deals, didn't he? Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah. Yeah.
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df
I'm not sure on what the parliamentary regulations are on friends giving lodging. You know, that's for them to decide. But I think where, to me, this gets really worrying is because George Cottrell has a Reform UK business card.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
And he has been given this business card to different sort of people that says George Cottrell with Nigel Farage's email address and the Reform UK logo.
Impact on Farage's Popularity and Reform UK
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df
So it's very unclear to me whether he has an official or unofficial or no role in the party at all. It's very, very sort of murky to decide that. But You know, someone having a company business card definitely tells you that there is an involvement.
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df
Yeah, as you've said, I think it's very suspicious circumstances. I mean, I
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df
think they'd be a lot less suspicious if Nigel had declared them. I think him changing his stance on cryptocurrency following, you know, in the last couple of years, he had this dramatic change in policy regarding that.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah. Yeah.
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John Gartside
I mean, he makes a lot so much from it. That's why he's got all these. And I think the main thing about Farage... that worries voters so polling for Farage has really fallen the gap between reform and Labour and the Tories has really sort of closed in after this scandal of George and restore yeah but really I think reform Labour Tories but the the main hesitancy voters have towards Farage is that
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df
and restored.
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John Gartside
they don't like who he surrounds himself with. It's these figures that we've alluded to, or donating money. Perhaps it's also figures in the larger party. There's always been this idea that reforms are one man band or reform is Farage and Farage is reform. And I think that's
By-election and Media Strategy
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John Gartside
probably true. People aren't as keen, frankly, on Richard Tice or Robert Jenrick as they are with Farage.
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John Gartside
That's always been shown, I think, through polling. Farage the popular figure of reform. However, the issue that has come that many people are starting to actually say, oh, well, Farage is actually a bit, I'm not too sure about him because of all these people he's surrounded with.
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df
Yeah, definitely.
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John Gartside
Less alone the MPs in the party, but more so all these donors.
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df
A hundred percent. I think just before we get onto this sort of by-election business, Roy Stewart made this point of Christopher Harbin probably giving the money as a way of Baraj not having to sort embarrass himself anymore.
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df
with the cameos, with the, you know, ads for the financial businesses, as you've seen.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
You know, if you receive five million pounds, there is a logic in the guy being like Chris Farber saying, look, Nigel, I'm going give you five million pounds.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
I want to stop with these shenanigans. What on earth are you doing? You need focus on one thing, that is politics. You need to stop with the trying to make a quick £70. I'm going to give you enough money for you not worry about But he hasn't stopped doing that.
00:10:27
df
And he has kept doing all these things for, frankly, no reason.
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John Gartside
Yeah. Yeah.
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df
But as you've said, a lot of people are sceptical. We've seen the polling numbers. We've seen the way that sort of the by-election is planning. I want to know what you think just before this.
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df
What do you think about Labour, the Tories, the Lib Dems, the Greens and Restore UK not contesting this by-election, saying it's a bit of a joke? And the candidates are now a guy who was kicked off, married at first sight for getting in a fight.
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df
Count Binface, of course, the intergalactic space warrior from Sigma-9.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
Nigel Farage and a bunch of other people who, you know, have the same sort of status as a novelty candidate. I mean, there's no people who are really serious about running from all I can gather.
00:11:23
John Gartside
Well, I mean, so Farage, with this donation scandal and a future sort of parliamentary inquest, he decided to resign as MP for Clacton.
00:11:33
df
Yeah.
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John Gartside
I think the way he did this press conference was that he said that sort of at the start. And then a bit later, he allowed the newspapers to get out their message that Farage resigned. And then a minute later, he said, well, he's actually going stand for the by-election.
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John Gartside
And so Faraj is doing this almost, I think, I'm not entirely sure how it works. It's sort of slightly technical, but to almost circumvent parliamentary commission standards commission into his activity and to sort of make it not all about what parliament thinks, but he was trying to sort of shift to saying, well, I'm popular enough in Clacton, that doesn't matter.
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df
Indeed.
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df
Indeed. Left
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John Gartside
Not that though that represents the whole country at all. But so that was his move.
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df
court.
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John Gartside
However, And rightly, all the other parties in the UK realised it was a sort of total farce. It was a total joke. It only worked for Farage if it was going to be a real by-election, which he probably had a good chance of winning, frankly.
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df
Yeah.
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John Gartside
But then everyone called it a farce.
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df
Yeah.
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John Gartside
And actually, almost worked quite well because every party decided not to stand. And that means that it was Farage, as he said, Dan, against Count Binface, his current rival.
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df
And someone who got kicked off married at first sight for being in a fight on live TV.
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John Gartside
And apparently, I mean,
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df
With a BN, yeah.
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John Gartside
So it's backfired on reform, I think. He'll win. But yeah, it's backfired on reform, this whole thing.
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df
I think...
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John Gartside
And frankly, I think should be investigated like anyone else should be.
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df
I hundreds of agree with you.
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John Gartside
It's, yeah.
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df
But yeah, I mean, even if he wins the by-election, he's just delayed the inquest.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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df
It's still going to happen. What I found surprising, actually, was that RuPaul decided not to send someone to stand.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah, I suppose, yeah.
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df
I thought that was quite surprising, to be fair. But, you know, Because the other parties haven't taken debate, now the sort of reform people are going like, yeah, they're scared.
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John Gartside
yeah
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df
But I don't think that message is landing very well. I think the message that's landing much better is that, look, you've called a completely unnecessary by-election without giving people the actual facts.
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John Gartside
yeah yeah
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df
So we don't know what on earth is going on. And you know We don't like that.
00:14:03
df
And how do you think reform would do without Nigel Farage? I mean, I'm very, frankly, optimistic of how they would do without him.
Political Consequences and Future Leaders
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df
I think they would go back to 5% and not be a threat to our way of living anymore. But how do you think that would go?
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John Gartside
I don't think they do well. I actually think Faraj is very popular. I think that was demonstrated in 2024. He was popular.
00:14:26
df
Yeah.
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John Gartside
People like him. He's in all credit where credit's due, even if you disagree with Faraj particularly. think He's very good at media. He's very good orator.
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df
Good speaking. Yeah.
00:14:52
John Gartside
In many ways, he's a very devoted politician, even if you disagree with him. But he's always, think that was perhaps the seventh general election he contested in 2024. So for Raj.
00:15:04
John Gartside
But what is not popular to the same extent are his donors, for example. And actually, I think the party around him. People voted, people have always voted for reform, it seems, because of Farage, largely.
00:15:17
John Gartside
Largely, that is. Not for almost the people around him. I'm not sure if Robert Jenrick, frankly, is, mean, Robert Jenrick doesn't have the same level support as Farage. Hence, Robert Jenrick couldn't become leader of the Conservative Party, I think.
00:15:28
df
Well, I mean, yeah, exactly.
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John Gartside
Yeah. So really, if Farage falls, I think reform also does fall as well. Perhaps some will go back to the Tories, perhaps certain more extreme sect, unfortunately, gets pushed over to restore. But it does help the Tories. If you look at the polls, the Tories have been rising.
00:15:51
John Gartside
They are rising, the Tories. So it will help a bit for Farage, for the Tories. But it will be interesting. It's really made me think, if you ask me in 2020, was gonna say 2026, we're in that. If you ask me in 2025,
00:16:07
John Gartside
who would be the prime minister in 2029. felt like it was going to be Farage, because that's sort of the way it was going. He was rising, he was leading the polls, but actually if you ask me now, I'd be far more hesitant to say Farage. I, I'd honestly say, I don't know.
00:16:23
John Gartside
it's hard to know. We can discuss them now, Diane, but we've got Andy Burnham. mean, frankly, no one knows he's going to be like, cause he's yet to be prime minister.
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df
Yeah.
00:16:31
John Gartside
That will be the coming days when this was released.
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df
Yeah.
00:16:36
John Gartside
there's a lot of pressure on Farage how can he navigate him out of a situation where perhaps there is no win and there's a big opportunity for the Tories equally people like Kemi Badenov to see how can she weaken for our support base attack him uh yeah
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df
I
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df
think it's very difficult. But... I think number one, what we definitely need to say is that this is an opportunity for everyone.
00:17:01
John Gartside
yeah
00:17:02
df
Everyone, apart from the Lib Dems, really, everyone can get something out of this. Definitely the main people that you said are the Conservatives in Restore.
00:17:11
df
I think Labour can get some votes.
00:17:12
John Gartside
Yeah.
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John Gartside
Yeah.
00:17:15
df
I think... It's obviously not great for Labour because the sort of right wing vote is going to be a bit more.
00:17:21
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:17:22
df
But, you know, it's actually everyone, think, has something to gain. The Greens have something gain. Everyone's got something to gain. I think, as you've said, without Farage, reform crumbles because Robert Jenrick, Richard Tice,
00:17:38
df
Zia Youssef, I mean...
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John Gartside
Yeah.
00:17:42
df
none of... Swellabraverman? None of these are people who the country can rally up behind.
Conservative Party's Strategy
00:17:47
df
None of them have the same sort of skill set that Nigel has.
00:17:48
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:17:51
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:17:51
df
Even if we disagree with him, as you've said, you've got to give him credit because he's got that silver tongue. I think the way to go right now for the Conservatives is to be... is to return back to common sense.
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df
It's to stop with this whole...
00:18:10
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:18:11
df
trying to move further and further right to start overlapping with reform is they need to move back to common sense, back to the center right, and back to being a sort of force for economic growth and to leave a bit of this discourse behind that they've been trying to employ.
00:18:29
df
I mean, I've seen, think what I've seen from the Conservatives is that they're trying to get a bit more aggressive.
00:18:36
df
They're trying to get, I don't think it works. I think you're never going to be able to beat reform and restore in that game. I think you have to go back to the common sense and you've got to rip that side of reform that has just had enough.
00:18:47
df
They've had enough, but they're not on a wall path.
00:18:48
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:18:50
df
Those who are on a wall path will never come to the Conservatives. They're just going to go to restore. And if I was Kenny Baden-Og tomorrow, I would stop making sort of bad taste questions in PMQs.
00:19:04
df
On the other hand, I think they've got a decent policy agenda that doesn't get enough publicity, definitely not enough as it should get. They need to go out there with the energy,
00:19:14
df
the fence and they need to start being very, very clinical opposition, which I haven't seen from them at the moment.
00:19:20
John Gartside
I think they already are,
00:19:23
John Gartside
I think... I think that Kemi's really been renowned for quite a while now for being very good at PMQs.
00:19:29
df
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:30
John Gartside
She's really good at PMQs and Parliament. And I mean, I think the Tories have always been with Reform and Labour, the party of almost fiscal responsibility.
00:19:43
df
Tross.
00:19:43
John Gartside
know that reputation was slightly endangered perhaps by the fact that they weren't trust, yeah, and they weren't the greatest fiscally in office.
00:19:51
John Gartside
But they have always been the part of sort of more economic growth, less taxation. No one's sure, obviously, where reform stands on that. And equally for Labour, likelihood is that with Burnham, there'll be more taxation, sort of like with Starmer.
00:20:05
John Gartside
So I think they've always been a party with more fiscal responsibility, more economic growth. Kemi's been doing well. In my opinion, I think the Tories have lacked because they've almost been squeezed out of what is a two-party system by reform.
00:20:20
df
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:21
John Gartside
And now the Tories will be able to, they need to sort of squeeze themselves back in. It's like with the Lib Dems in the coalition, they felt really squeezed out by the Tories. They felt it was all Tory labour and the Lib Dems were always,
00:20:35
John Gartside
the sort of the last choice for sort of for the BBC to do an interview they really wanted either the Tories or Labour and I think the Tories have almost fallen into that sort of third place position a bit now it's yeah yeah
00:20:48
df
But I think even from there, they need to get back. I'd like to ask you a question about this, John. What would you do today you were Kami Baranak at this situation? What would your three things be? How would you approach actually trying to get back some electorate from reform, but also trying to sort get back some electorate from the Dems, trying to get a bit of electorate from people who've just stopped voting?
00:21:12
df
There are people I think, who are voting conservatives and they just I'm not going vote. So what would you do to get each of those groups back?
00:21:19
df
How would you?
00:21:20
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:21:21
df
think there's three types of people that the Tories can get votes back from. So it's reform. It's the Lib Dems on the sort of more centrist side. And it's the people who've voted conservative, but they've just stopped voting.
00:21:33
df
They decide I'm not going to go out of the polls at the last general election. So if you were Kami Ben-Ark in this situation with Faraj on the down low, really Ed Davey has dropped a little bit since his sort of election peak.
00:21:46
df
So what would you do? What are the things you'd do to get each of these voter groups back on site and try to get back some votes?
00:21:52
John Gartside
To honest, I think actually the Tories just need to do what they do. I think they need to be strong in the sort of media front, social media, attacking Keir and PMQs or attacking Burnham and PMQs.
00:22:04
John Gartside
They obviously need to attack Farage on his donation scandal. Similarly, they need to actually get some sort of strong policies out there if they've got a clear policy platform.
00:22:15
John Gartside
a cliff almost manifesto what they stand for, that would be a huge advantage. But frankly, in my opinion, politics... it's a bit, there's always this back and forth sense of UN, which will help the Tories.
00:22:29
John Gartside
Reform did well in 2024 because no one liked, because the Tories are unpopular. Now reforms are becoming unpopular, the Tories will help.
00:22:37
df
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:38
John Gartside
So what the Tories have got to do is that they've got sort of try and further sort of attack that reform and popularity. I felt like the Lib Dems did well in the South, especially. The South have been in 2024 because Tories are unpopular.
00:22:52
John Gartside
So the Tories have become, suppose, the opposite way, more popular try promote some strong policies, try and have a clear platform of where they're standing.
00:23:03
John Gartside
they almost need to focus on themselves in a way. If they're doing a good job, It only helps. They've then got sort of have a bit of luck.
00:23:11
John Gartside
Like with this reform, luck.
00:23:13
df
Yeah.
00:23:13
John Gartside
It's almost a bit of luck that all these scandals of Farage have been uncovered. Perhaps there will be more. Who knows? So it's almost, there's a bit of luck.
00:23:20
df
Who knows?
00:23:22
John Gartside
There's a bit of back and forth, but the Tories have just got capitalise off it. Burnham's about to be in the office. If Burnham's an excellent prime minister, it's not going help the Tories. But if Burnham isn't,
00:23:33
df
No, that's not in.
00:23:34
John Gartside
burnham isn't though it's how they capitalize off that it's how kemi attacks him if kemi's got a strong platform which opposes him that helps so as i said there's there's all these external forces it's almost how they capitalize off it what do you think dad sort of conclude the episode
00:23:52
df
Yeah, I think it's a big opportunity. And I think if I were them, I would go on energy.
00:23:56
John Gartside
yeah yeah
00:23:57
df
I think it's a big topic. And it's a topic that conservatives can actually attack. They've got a decent sort of agenda on it already. It's not like they are waking up and choosing something entirely new.
00:24:10
df
They've sort of been established in that sector, trying to promote different things, you know, some better, some worse, obviously. I would just urge them to go back to common sense. Stop it with the immigration witch hunt.
00:24:20
John Gartside
Yeah.
00:24:22
df
Let's get back to economic growth. Focus on the economics. because I think that way is probably the best way for them
Voter Demographics and Future Political Landscape
00:24:31
df
to get back to where they've been.
00:24:31
John Gartside
And the more...
00:24:32
df
If they keep going on social change, social issues path, I just don't see them coming back because they're never going to be able to out-restore, restore, you know.
00:24:43
John Gartside
Yeah. And in fairness, I do think it's a very different type of voter, a Tory voter, to a restore voter. You've got these restore voters who frankly are far, far more right-wing than the Tories and actually have got this sort of, you know, extremely sort of rejecting establishment you could say mindset but the one can see that if labor are not careful onto burnham the markets could perhaps easily react in a very adverse way he's got that risk especially with these net zero things milliband is almost having to make a slight retreat on the issue of energy so that as you said down that's a good place for the tories to attack because i think the markets could perhaps favor them more than labor
00:25:01
df
Yeah.
00:25:26
John Gartside
depending if labor follows let's say a more left-wing economic platform yeah
00:25:30
df
Of course. And it's a good place for them to sort of get some real policy work done and actually set something out in law. I think that's where they need to get back to. They need to get back to laws and policies.
00:25:45
df
And I think they've got a good chance here. And who knows what's going to happen if Farage gets suspended?
00:25:49
John Gartside
yeah
00:25:50
df
I mean, everything's on the table then.
00:25:52
John Gartside
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00:26:04
John Gartside
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00:26:16
John Gartside
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00:26:16
df
See you next week.