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Nos Audietis, Episode 290: It was a fun ride
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For the first time in three years we recorded a November episode with no games to preview. Admittedly, it’s a show we have mixed emotions about. On one hand, we hated ending the season by giving the Timbers any sort of bragging rights. On the other, we’re kinda loving having an offseason. Maybe we’re just rationalizing, but this actually feels OK (other than the whole losing to Portland thing).
We discuss those mixed emotions, while also answering your questions and giving out some end-of-season awards for things like “Best killing of soccer” and “Best social media destruction.”
This week's music: "What do tigers dream of?" - Cristian Roldan, "RVIVR - "Ocean Song", Perry Como - "Seattle", RVIVR - “The Tide”, Woody Guthrie - "Roll On Columbia", "Your Journey Begins" - OurMusicBox (Jay Man) (CC BY 4.0)
Thanks to James Woollard, Sounders Public Address Announcer, for doing our sponsor reads. You can follow him on Twitter at @BritVoxUS - if you're looking for a British Voice to advertise your business or non-profit, please reach out to him.
Want to hear the music from the show in their glorious, full versions? Check out the Nos Audietis playlist on Spotify!
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Transcript
Introduction & Sponsorship
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Meet the Hosts & Episode Context
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Hey, this is Christian Roldan. And Jordan Morris from the Seattle Sounders Football Club. And you're listening to... There's no study at this. What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras?
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I think we're going to have to sign off on that one.
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like a beautiful child growing up. Welcome back to another edition of NOS Adietes, sponsored by Fullpool Wines, Quinnan Acupuncture, and her broadcast partner Bootstrapper Studios. This
Sounders Season Reflection
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is episode 290, and we're recording on Tuesday, November 27, 2018. I'm your host, Jeremiah Shannon, and I'm joined as always by my co-host, Aaron Campo, and our engineer, Lickett.
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For the first time in three years, we were recording a November episode with no games to preview. Admittedly, it's a show I've mixed emotions about. On one hand, I hated ending the season by giving the timbers any sort of bragging rights. On the other, I'm kind of loving having an off-season. I think it makes things a little easier that it felt like the Sounders went out on, dare I say it, a high note? I don't know. Maybe that's too much, but I think this is the best that I've felt
00:02:07
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after the Sounders last game of the season, other than 2016, am I being crazy, Aaron? Or is this a reasonable way to feel about the season, this way the year ended? I think it's totally reasonable. I mean, I think that it's disappointing as it was, because I felt
00:02:27
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really confident going into the series against the timbers um you know the shit shit that happened during the series changed the way i felt and how confident i felt um and i think we kind of saw why that was you know in the second leg um so to have you know to lose roll down to lose marshall uh and still you know play the way they did um
00:02:52
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without those guys take it to penalties and just lose on what's, you know, functionally a coin flip and penalties. Um, it sucks. I mean, I was having a conversation with one of my coworkers the day after the game and I was like, the five seconds after a game that you lose in penalties is over. It's, it's infinitely more painful than any other way that you lose.
00:03:15
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But after that, it's significantly easier to deal with, I think. Yeah, I agree. I think that's a good, I had not really ever thought of it that way, but I think you're right because I don't think the sounders should not feel as though they were outplayed in that series. I don't think they were outplayed in either leg by a tremendous margin. I think that they could come, like there's, if the sounders, fully healthy sounders team plays that,
00:03:44
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plays a fully elite timbers team, I actually feel more confident about their chances of winning than I did before the series. And so in that sense, it's kind of hard to take because like every time I think about that series, it's like, God, the centers were the better team. They didn't deserve to lose.
Offseason Strategy & Roster Changes
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But yet there is this sense of, yeah,
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Yeah, what do you do like it like other than the bragging rights and that's why I said that I think other than the bragging rights part where like the timbers fans get to kind of like own this and we kind of just have to sit there and take it like that that sucks, but the actual gameplay. And the place where the Sounders are like I feel really good about their roster.
00:04:32
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I feel really good about the flexibility. They're going to have this, like whatever flexibility they have, this office season, I feel good about. I am at peace with the possibility of Alonzo leaving as much as I emotionally would love for him to be around forever. I think that we're at a place where, you know, maybe it's better served for everyone. If he moves on, you know, um,
00:04:55
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I really like the high, like the attacking talent they've assembled. I feel like they have a good core on the defensive side. It is funny though, because I, I don't think that they were great offensively in that series. And I don't think that they were awful defensively, but I do think
00:05:15
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that it makes sense that they want to focus on the defense more than the offense is obviously. Yeah, which, which seems crazy in a way just because of how good the defense was and how it was. Right. So critical to, you know, to their, their run, but I mean, they really kicked it up a notch offensively down the stretch.
00:05:36
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Yeah, through the last defensive piece, like 19 games, they were basically averaging two goals a game, right? And they're losing a key defensive piece in Alonzo. There's inklings that they might be losing another one in Roman Torres. We've already lost Tony Alfaro, who say what you will is a defensive player. So they have to replace him somehow. So I mean, I think
00:06:00
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Yeah, I mean, it's I feel really comfortable with the offense and I feel comfortable with the defense as long as everybody's healthy. But I mean, we know damn well at this point, you know, that you can't go into a season, assuming everybody's going to be healthy. So yeah, I mean, I think that they've got a little bit of work to do there. If they want to be able to maintain, not even maintain because I don't
00:06:21
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I don't think that the defense, the numbers that they put up defensively are sustainable, just because they were just that good. But to have the same caliber of defense, I think they're going to need to make some moves on that side of the ball. Yeah, and I think it has also something to do with
00:06:46
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As much as I did not put a lot of stock in their lack of shutouts, especially down the stretch, there is maybe something to be said for having that real shut down ability that they didn't quite showcase. For a defense as good as they were, it did feel like there was a fair amount of bend, don't break to it.
00:07:16
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that Stephen Fry kind of had a historic season that you don't think is likely repeatable. But what is kind of funny, and I think I may have touched on this in my post season column, was there's this weird kind of mind game that we play where the centers go out in the conference semifinals, but they played well. If they had, let's just say they had won that series,
00:07:46
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They beat Kansas City and then they lose like 2-0 against Atlanta in Atlanta. I think we'd be feeling pretty bummed and maybe even, I don't want to say depressed, but really down about like there would be this sense of like real failure, I think.
00:08:07
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And, and what's funny, even if, but I think that it's like the circumstances wouldn't be that different than they are right now. In fact, you know, you can argue they'd be better because the center's actually got damn lost cup, but like not having to actually go through that made things better. Yeah, I agree.
00:08:24
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And not having to, the players have to put those miles on their legs, you know? Right. I mean, cause that's the thing is that it's like, when you go to like, it's all fine and good to go to three straight MLS cups. But if you only win one of them and it was the first one, it does kind of feel like some wasted effort. And I think, I think too that.
00:08:47
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I don't think that you can be arguing in good faith and not accept that the short off-seasons were part of the slow starts. They're not the full explanation. They're part of it. I'm getting a whole extra month off. It's not just the month, it's that they are less tired at the end of the season. When you get to MLS Cup,
00:09:12
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that you're not only playing for another month and you have a month less of rest, but you've had to push yourself exponentially harder during that last month.
00:09:22
Speaker
Yeah. And, and you've got, you know, you've got players going on national team duty right after MLS cop. So they don't even really get any sort of recuperation period. And, and it's worth it to an extent. Right. Right. But it's, but you know, and this is what Garth said this during the annual business meeting. He's like, this is not like, I'm not going to sit here and say like,
00:09:44
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It's not by design. We don't want to have a long off season. We obviously want to have short off seasons, but in the grand scheme of a, of a cycle. And if you look at this as like kind of an extended cycle, having one longer off season is not the, like you kind of need at least one longer off season to give yourself a chance to recharge because there is this like.
00:10:08
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kind of innate inability to recharge if you're going into the offseason with a month less than everyone else every year.
00:10:17
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Yeah, I mean, it's definitely looking on the bright side of things. But I think it's a legitimate positive. I don't think it's us trying to make ourselves feel better. I think that it's legitimately going to help them have a better start next season. It's going to, I think, prevent them from wearing down towards the middle of the season. I think that it's objectively a good thing. Is it better than going to the MLS Cup?
00:10:45
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Probably not, but we're not going to the MLS Cup, so we might as well look on the bright side. So yeah, and I mean, I will say this is that it like if the centers come back next year and have a supporter shield contending season.
00:10:58
Speaker
that will also make this early exit seem more palpable, like in hindsight even. Whereas if they start slow next year and if they are in like a comparable situation at this time next year, that's not a viable spin to put on things. But as we sit here right now and with the possibility that
00:11:21
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I think there's every reason to think they can get it off to a better start. Not having Champions League next year is probably, you know, like you don't want to miss Champions League every year, but to miss it once every, you know, if you're going to miss it too, this is a good year to miss it. Right. Yeah. So, um, and next year is going to be more Champions League spots. They'll go back to the normal qualification. So.
00:11:49
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I think it's, you know, like I'm not having a hard time justifying it as a one, as a one off season, a one year thing. Now, again, you don't want this to become the norm.
00:12:01
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Because at that point, then what are you doing? Right. Right. But to do it once in three years is OK. And I think, too, I mean, it's tempting to get swept up in it and think we're never going to not go to MLS Cup again. But you're not going to make MLS Cup every year. You know, it's not going to happen. And so if you can't feel not satisfied, but feel OK with a season that doesn't end with making MLS Cup, especially now that we've made it twice, we've won it once.
00:12:32
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you're gonna be unhappy a lot of years, so. I'll also add that if for some reason, what would have really killed me is if one of Atlanta or New York had an, like let's just say Columbus had won that series.
00:12:48
Speaker
And somehow they beat Atlanta. It's like, oh my God, we could have hosted MLS Cup. I would feel a lot worse. Yeah, for sure. No, that's obviously, it doesn't change anything. Like it's still the centers are in the same center. But it's also because instead of feeling like, oh God, we're going to go to Atlanta and either. Right. And maybe one MLS Cup. Right. At home. At home. And that's, I mean, that's what everybody wants, right? Like that's why the slow starts in large part are frustrating. Right.
00:13:16
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is they want to host. They want to lift the trophy at home. You know, they want that celebration. So. That said, 59 points. If you had been told at the beginning of the season, the sons would finish on 59 points and be the second seed. I would have considered that a successful regular season.
00:13:36
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Yeah, without knowing how they got there. Yeah. Without knowing how they got there. And also without knowing that you're still like 12 points shy of the supporter shield.
00:13:48
Speaker
Like obviously never were in contention for the supporter shield, which is crazy to think that 59 points, we weren't even in contention for it, but, um, it's, it's still crazy to me that TFC last year setting the record, wanting to shield was this huge deal. Even before they won MLS cup, you know, it was like, Oh my God, they're the best MLS team ever. Right. And we barely even lift a finger to talk about in New York.
00:14:14
Speaker
Right, but who cares, I mean, who cares, right? But it's just- I mean, it's funny, I've thought about it too, that it's like Toronto was treated as this.
00:14:23
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once in a generation, great team. Right. And the next year, New York does better. And they do it and they do it with academy players. They only play two fewer champions of the games. Right. And they do it with a lot of academy players. They do it with. Right. With a much more budget, like a third, a budget, like almost a third of the size of. Yeah. Yeah. Of Toronto's.
00:14:50
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What are you going to do, you know? Well, they play a small market. They play a small market and they get overlooked. And they are getting waxed in the playoffs. Well, but before that, it was the same thing. No, it's true. It's true. But I digress. I mean, yeah, 59 points is a successful season. I don't like the way they got there. Obviously, I don't think most people do.
00:15:15
Speaker
you know, one of the best defensive teams in the league by, by goals allowed. Um, I think let's see, there's one team that allowed for your goals. Yeah. New York season, New York. Um, pretty comparable to league average scoring wise, which considering how bad the offense was early in the season is pretty remarkable. Maybe even more remarkable than the points total is the fact that they ended up like a league average attacking team over the course of the year. That's pretty incredible. Um,
00:15:44
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, it's, it's the kind of season where it's like the minimum standard for not being kind of disappointing, if that makes sense. Yeah. You know, like 59 points. It's like, yeah, I feel like that's what, you know, a reasonable expectation is. You want them to win the shield. You want them to be pushing for records, but you can't really be disappointed with 59 points, anything less than that. And I think you can start to ask questions or, you know, saying, eh, wasn't that great of a season, but 59 points a solid. Um,
00:16:14
Speaker
The way we got there was weird, obviously, but we talked about that plenty during the season, so I don't think we need to rehash it. But I wonder if we can say that it's not a sustainable way of doing things anymore. I mean, we've had three seasons worth of evidence that maybe it is something you can do every year, but I'd rather not find out. I think the part that's unsustainable is being bad and needing to be
00:16:40
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Because there's just no room for error, you know, like the centers had the literal best second, the best half season and was history. And granted they finished with some breathing room, but they even if they, they had to have a great, like, just to make the playoffs they had to have a great
00:16:59
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second half of the season. And it's not that it's impossible to do that. And obviously, these statistics that show them having a one point something percent chance of making the playoffs are like the model is broken. Clearly, if you've done it three times, that's not an accurate representation of the probability. But
00:17:21
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I think what's unsustainable is that you just can't dig yourself this hole. And I understand like Stephen Fry had some genuine frustrations and it's like, you know, we went 14, two and one in the second half of the season and we can't even sniff the support or shield. Like that's ridiculous. Like that's our fault. Like they had been bad, like bad in the way that like the impact or bad or bad in the way that the white caps were bad. They would have been in the shield race, but they were bad. Yeah. They had gone like 500 in the.
00:17:52
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Yeah, they'd be teetering on the playoff line the first half of the season. And I think most people, even the people that have been most vociferous about the slow starts, would be fine with that. Just be, if it's, we're gonna reinforce in the second half,
00:18:09
Speaker
Just don't be garbage, right? Like don't be the worst team in the league. Like give us something to watch, you know, something to be excited about. And beyond that, I think it's, cause I do think that the part that is sustainable, and I do think that they've shown value in the roster building aspect of it, where you spend the first half figuring out who you are. And then you spend the second half. Plugging those holes, leaning into your strengths and
00:18:38
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like kind of you know and and so dealing you know somewhat like even though you're not dealing from a position of strength because you're so you're so deep but if things go well you should be dealing like to have that flexibility in the second half of the season is a huge deal to be able to go out and and that's why i'm not i'd hope they don't spend this off season and
00:18:59
Speaker
Like, and Garth has said this several times, like he doesn't think the lesson is you need to have a fully stocked roster on game day, on game day one. Like that's not the lesson that they've learned over the last three years.
00:19:13
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And I don't know. And he's even suggested he's not sure. I don't know what lessons he has learned from those losers. But I do think what we've broadly learned is that having that flexibility is really important. And what I would love for them to do is they have a reasonable team. I think there's a couple pieces they can add in the offseason. But I kind of hope they have that designated player spot in the summer.
00:19:38
Speaker
Because then they can go out and figure out which position do we need to improve the most. And that's what you go get. Because they don't know what they're going to get in Jordan Morris right now. They can guess and they can hope. They don't know what injuries are going to hit them. Who knows? Maybe if they have a debilitating injury to Chad Marshall, they need to go out and buy DP's center back. Who knows?
00:20:04
Speaker
And I think, I mean, I think too that last season going into the off season, everybody felt like we need a striker. I mean, I think both of us were like, yeah, we probably need a striker at some point this season, but we were content to wait and see what we got out of Morris, right? Because, you know, he was, yeah, his 2017 wasn't great, but he was hurt and et cetera, et cetera. Then he blows out his knee, right? Well, if Jordan Morris blows out his knee,
00:20:28
Speaker
in, you know, preseason again this year, they already have that DP striker, you know, it's now I don't think Jordan Morris is going to blow out his knee. I hope to God he doesn't, but I just, I feel like they're in a better spot to where they don't like, I still think they should have signed some kind of striker.
00:20:46
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in Swindell last year to make it a little less horrifying than it was. But I don't feel like they're in a situation where they're one way, one injury away from being screwed really at any position. Now, if Roman Torres goes, then, yeah, they're probably one injury away from being screwed at center back, although they can move Stenson back to center back and he's effective. Yeah, but I think if they move Torres, I'd also be OK with them.
00:21:13
Speaker
bringing in a center back. I don't think they should bring in a deep piece of it. No, no, for sure. I'm with you there. So yeah, I mean, I just think that they're in much better shape holistically than they were going into last off season. And I think even if they do have some sort of catastrophic injury early in the season, it's not going to doom them to the extent that it did this year. If they have multiple catastrophic injuries, well, I mean, what are you going to do?
00:21:42
Speaker
That kind of screws you, but I just, I don't feel like they have to make a big move in the soft season to make me feel comfortable. And I kind of did last year and they, and they did, it just turned out it wasn't the right move. And then he left like a month later, but you know, but they also got Kim, so that was good.
00:22:02
Speaker
But I wouldn't be shocked if it's that caliber of acquisition that we see in the winter. You know, it's probably not going to be another attacking midfielder as a TAM level player, but, you know, a player of that caliber. And you can look at Kim and if they had been able to sign, if Kim had been playing like he was at the end of the season, when he made his debut, who knows how the Chivas series, maybe the Chivas series goes a little differently too. Right. Yeah.
00:22:32
Speaker
You never know. You never know. But anyway, it was funny to think that when he made his debut, he was like, oh, looks like another blown signing. Right. Which partially because he made a very good technical foul like 30 seconds after. I know that was funny, but it's always. But he was a lot rougher early than he was. I mean, he wasn't as confident. He
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Yeah, I agree. He wasn't the same player. All right, well, we have quite a doozy plan for you in the second half, if you can... Yeah, I feel like it's going to be about an hour and 23 minutes long. Yeah, so... I feel like that's how long I want to talk after we finish talking here. It's a treat. It's a treat. If you like Nosadietis, you'll probably like the second half. If you're kind of like...
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Speculation on Next Season's Lineup
00:25:27
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Welcome back. We have a lot of questions and we're going to do something at the end of the show. I guess we're going to, we'll plan on doing the end of the show. We'll have our little award ceremony.
00:25:39
Speaker
Right? That's what we want to do at the end of the show after the questions. Sure. Seems like a good time. All right. Well, let's do it that way. So go ahead and take it away with the questions. Sure thing. Motley69, nice. Next year's game one, starting in formation lineup, assuming no incoming winter transfers. Let Aaron go if he wants to start.
00:26:04
Speaker
I mean, no winter transfers. I think it's pretty much the same lineup that started the Portland game, right? The first one, the question would be, yeah. Yeah. So I guess rolled on starts in the middle and ship probably starts wide, maybe more. So I don't know if he's going to be 90 minutes by that point. But yeah, other than that, I can't really think of any changes. I'm definitely assuming they're going to be
00:26:34
Speaker
you know, changes to the roster. So it's kind of hard to, you know, I think that there will be changes, but the more I think about it, I don't know that we should assume that there will be any new starters. Like I think I would be, I will put it this way. I will be surprised if there are nine of the same starters that started in the second leg against Portland.
00:26:58
Speaker
And I won't necessarily say which nine, but nine feels like the low end because there's only two positions where I think there's really any real potential for change. And I take, I guess I should take that back because Roldan did not start in the second leg or Marshall. Neither one of them started in the second leg. So I guess we should go back. Let me ask you this though. Brad Smith, do you think Brad Smith will be
00:27:27
Speaker
Let's assume he stays with the Sounders. Do you think he'll be a starter? Man, I hope not. I think Nuhu was excellent in the second half of the year. I guess if he regresses over the off season, maybe. But if he comes back and he's playing the way he was at the end of the year, I certainly hope not.
00:27:48
Speaker
So if I'm understand maybe you disagree on this, but do you feel like there's a trade off there that you're basically choosing for a more defensive minded player as opposed to the better attacker? Do you think Smith's attacking prowess is overstated?
00:28:03
Speaker
I think that he's definitely the better attacker. I think that the degree to which he is a better attacker is probably overstated. His per 90 attacking statistics were not really any better than Newhoo's. I think Newhoo's attacking play was a lot better down the stretch. I think he's definitely a better attacker.
00:28:29
Speaker
He makes better runs. He's a little more comfortable, I think, to take players on. I think that he's a little more comfortable to get forward into space than Nu Who is. But in terms of the end product and everything, I just don't really see the edges being that huge. And I think that Nu Who's defensive abilities are significantly better. I think that he's potentially the best one-on-one defender on the team.
00:28:56
Speaker
his decision making is not always great, but I feel like it's been quite a while since we saw him make any real huge mistakes, you know, and or errors in judgment. So yeah, I don't know. I think that Nuhua has a really solid edge defensively, and it's pretty slight edge for Smith in the attack.
00:29:18
Speaker
So I'll say that I think that there's going to be a pretty open competition. I think that what really gives New Who the edge, though, is that there's a very real possibility that Smith is gone in the summer. And it would be kind of silly for the Saunders to, you know, given that.
00:29:39
Speaker
If they didn't give some edge to new who in terms of starting now, I think that Brad Smith has a real potential to push new who in a way that maybe we even saw this last second, the second half of this season. Like I think there's at least a, we have to allow for the possibility that Smith's presence has helped.
00:29:59
Speaker
like encourage Nuhu to improve some things to become a little better concentrated. But I do kind of want to see a little bit more of Smith because I agree with you that his like key passes per 90, for instance, were not much better than Nuhu. I guess there's not really much of an agreement just made it a reality.
00:30:23
Speaker
But there does seem to be a refinement to his crossing ability. He seems to understand taking that space a little bit better. And I almost wonder if there's a decent possibility of a genuine platoon there where the sounders maybe use Brad Smith a little more often at home.
00:30:43
Speaker
They use him against teams where they know they're gonna be attacking a little bit more. New who is a player that you can use as more of a lockdown defender. And I think you can probably keep them both involved as late game subs. If you need a goal, you bring in Smith. If you need to lock down the defense, you bring in new who, that kind of thing. So I'm actually really looking forward to seeing how that evolves. As far as the other
00:31:09
Speaker
the other midfield spot. One thing that I've been kind of playing around with in my head is I think there's one possible formation the Sanders could go with is maybe like a 414141. Is that right? 1414? No, either way, okay. Anyway, I don't think we should play with one center back.
00:31:33
Speaker
That's right. Right. Right. Um, four, one, four, one, and using Spencer and kind of as a lone defensive mid and, and allowing rolled on to kind of stay wide and you end up with.
00:31:51
Speaker
a double kind of two attacking central midfielders in Ledero and Rodriguez might be an interesting option there. But I do think that we might end up seeing Rodriguez a bit in the middle and Ledero pushed out to the right, especially if Morris ends up starting, which I think has some promise as a formation. Yeah, I think Rodriguez plays well in the middle. I think that Ledero is equally effective wide.
00:32:18
Speaker
I think he might actually be better wide. I definitely used to believe that. I definitely used to believe that for sure. As he's played more centrally, I've come around to thinking that he's as good centrally. But yeah, I mean, I think there is a lot of potential for flexibility, both in formation and role. And so I'd kind of expect to see them
00:32:43
Speaker
play around with some stuff during the preseason. But in terms of the players on the field and who they actually are, I don't see it changing a whole lot from what you would have considered your ideal lineup with everyone healthy against Portland. I think one of the other things that made Lajero so effective as a central midfielder is that he had two, when he was at his best, they had Rodriguez and rolled on or ship and rolled on as the wide midfielders.
00:33:12
Speaker
either way, all three of those players could kind of play in the middle of the park. And I think that that positional flexibility and that understanding of kind of what each other were trying to do allowed Lidero to be more effective as a central midfielder, as opposed to when he was maybe playing with Dempsey as a nine or who else? I'm trying to think where other players would have been flanking him when he was
00:33:39
Speaker
playing in this in the center before but he just he he did look more comfortable with this particular group of players and I almost wonder if that's somewhat by design that and I wonder how Morris is going to affect that because Morris is obviously not a player who is going to come in centrally and and kind of fill that space he's if he's going to be playing out on the wing you got to think he's going to be spending time like it's time hugging the the the sideline and cutting in as opposed to you know
00:34:08
Speaker
collecting the ball in possession and spraying it out. But anyway, I guess that was a long way to answer that question.
Offseason Needs & Player Rumors
00:34:18
Speaker
Are you telling me that you think Suarez is going to be a bench player? Right, exactly. Don't answer that. Steve Edholm asks, what's the biggest need this offseason? Where will our Garber Bucks go?
00:34:34
Speaker
You know, that's, I do think that one of the things, I would be a little surprised at this point if the sounders spend ham on
00:34:44
Speaker
bringing in a play, like I don't think it would be shocking to see them trade allegation money or TAM to get a player from inside MLS who is an attacking talent, but I don't think they're going to go out and sign like a TAM level, like a Victor Rodriguez level offensive player from outside the league. I think that that money is probably going to be spent on
00:35:08
Speaker
like in Osvaldo Alonzo replacement, maybe they'll even spend that money on a third center back. I think it's going to be spent on bolstering the defense, so. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's definitely where the biggest need is, especially central midfield, if you assume Ozzy Alonzo is gone. And I think it's fair to assume that at this point. So I think that center back, obviously, if they keep Roman, that's not going to be where they spend it. But if they don't,
00:35:36
Speaker
You know, Chad Marshall is no spring chicken, so you've got to think about replacing him at some point. And if you can get, you know, a tan level player that's maybe a bit younger and okay for with maybe not having to guaranteed spotting starting spot for a year. It's not the worst thing to do. If they see rolled on as a wide midfielder longer term.
00:35:56
Speaker
which I guess there's maybe some indication that they do, then, you know, I think it makes sense to maybe buy another central midfielder, because I don't, I like Geordi Dilem, but I don't really want Geordi Dilem to be a starting midfielder on this team. So yeah, I mean, I think that it's definitely going to be, you know, a player like that. The most attacking I could see them
00:36:20
Speaker
most attacking kind of player I could see them bringing in would be, you know, a defensive midfielder that's not as defense oriented. That's a little more of a deep-line playmaker, which wouldn't shock me, you know, since it's still around. But yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think that their primary focus, if they spend TAM or DP money in the winter, is going to be on a more defensive player.
00:36:48
Speaker
All right, let's see. Two related Torres questions. I'm going to read them together. First one's Chip Haynes, one. Will Torres leave this winter? And does that mean Sam Rogers makes the jump to first team in 2019? Cuomo asks, is Roman Torres competing with Kihei for starting defender or Bruin for forward next year?
00:37:11
Speaker
So I think that Torres leaves, I think. I don't see any way that he's going to be happy going into a season knowing that he's, you know,
00:37:24
Speaker
knowing that he's the third choice. I think he's going to want to be moved, and I think that's a reasonable thing for him to want at this point in his career. He doesn't have too many years left at the level he's at, and so he wants to play, I'm sure. I think that Rogers probably does make the jump to the first team, but I don't think that he's
00:37:45
Speaker
your third center back. I think that he's going to get every opportunity to prove himself and maybe get some minutes. We saw Tony Alfaro was the fourth center back last year and he got
00:37:57
Speaker
I think over like over 600 minutes or something like that. Right. So, um, you know, I think whoever the four center back is most likely Rogers is going to get playing time, but I don't think that you feel comfortable with your depth chart going into the season with him, you know, being the guy that steps in. If, if one of them are shoulder Kim goes down. Yeah, I got nothing. That's how I feel.
00:38:23
Speaker
Speaking of Tony Alfaro, uh, Ari Lil, Lil Liginwall. How do you say his last name Lil? Lil Liginwall, right? Lil Liginwall. That's how I say it in the head. Yeah, that works. Ari asks, is Tony Alfaro merely a lock to become the greatest defender in the history of Liga MX or do you think he's also a lock at some point to become the greatest defender in the history of another league such as EPL or La Liga? Yeah, uh, so in case
00:38:52
Speaker
you aren't aware, what he's referring to is the rumor that Tony Alfaro is close to signing a contract with Chivas, which is quite the example of failing upward. It's one thing for the Sounders to have essentially parted ways with Aaron Long and him to go to the York Red Bulls II and kind of work his way up through the U.S.L. ranks. And it's another thing for the Sounders to trade Eric Zavaleta to Toronto FC, and then him eventually become a starter.
00:39:20
Speaker
It's a whole other level of weirdness to see a player leave the sounders looking bad for the sounders. I was actually a little surprised to see how many people seemed to be kind of like frustrated by this today because I don't think I heard anyone complaining about him being cut.
00:39:38
Speaker
uh a couple you know a week ago and and it's kind of interesting like all of a sudden chivas is interested so that means that we that the senator screwed something out i think there's a an important thing to keep in mind here
00:39:51
Speaker
Chivas has effectively an unlimited roster. If you go to their ESPN page, they have 39 players listed on their roster. Some of them have triple digits. I suspect that that is not even close to their full roster. So Tony Alvaro
00:40:09
Speaker
going to achieve us is, you know, let's see how much he ends up playing before we freak too much about it. I don't think he's going to play very much. I'm, I'll be honest. I think the over under is probably one appearance. Like if he has more than one appearance, I think that's a, like you're going to have to, that's a strong bet.
00:40:29
Speaker
Yeah. And, and I think to, I mean, Chivas kind of backs themselves into a corner with their, their player acquisition policies that, you know, I'm not going to get too much into, but folks probably know what that means.
00:40:45
Speaker
And so when you have exclusionary policies like that, sometimes you end up signing Tony Alfaro. And you know what? Maybe there is something that we are missing about Tony Alfaro, and maybe each of us can fix him. I hope they can. He seems like a nice kid.
00:41:01
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, I don't think it's that he's without talent. He clearly has some talent. It's just that he didn't show it at all. Like this year he was he was bad when he played for the Sounders. He was really I mean, if you watch any S2 games, he was routinely the worst defender on the field. Yeah, I just if he turns it around and if he ends up having a decent career,
00:41:26
Speaker
I'm going to be really frustrated if I start hearing a lot of revisionism about what kind of promise he showed in Seattle. I mean, after the US Open Cup lost, people wanted to run him out of town on a rail, you know? And, you know, it's bad. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it's not unheard of for centerbacks to kind of find it at that point in their career.
00:41:51
Speaker
um you know but there's just there's only so much time that you can put into players like that and and it's not
00:41:59
Speaker
There's no point. It's not going to happen for him here. If it happens for him with Chivas, that's great. That's a great outcome for him, you know, because they're a much bigger club and it means a lot more money and probably national team call-ups and whatnot. But yeah, I mean, good luck to him. It's a zero risk move for Chivas if they sign him. He's probably going to sign for a relatively small amount of money.
00:42:22
Speaker
he doesn't really take he does not taking a roster spot from someone else uh he's free they the sounders apparently he like the story is is apparently that chivas was interested in him back in february the sounder said sure we're happy to move him but it's gonna cause there's gonna be some transfer fee and chivas is like well no we wanted him for free right which i mean yeah at that point in time was uh you know would have been crazy for the sounders to do but
00:42:52
Speaker
there's no upside. When someone's offering to take a player off your hands for free who you're paying $65,000 a year, what's the upside? Right, right. Yeah. I don't know, man. I think that the Sounders have been a team for 10 years at the MLS level and the only player they've ever missed on that was a young player that they moved on from that I think
00:43:16
Speaker
that maybe they legitimately have some fault as Aaron Long. And I include Zavaleta in that. I'm not bothered about missing out on Eric Zavaleta at all. He's really, he's not that good.
00:43:28
Speaker
He started for TFC because their system pretty much required three center backs for it to work the way it did. He's not a regular starter for them anymore. And with Aaron Long, yeah, I kind of wish they had held on to him another year. But at the time, it just didn't look like it was going to happen. And he was also younger at the time than Tony O'Hara was.
00:43:54
Speaker
Alfaro's had every chance. He's had every chance and he just hasn't shown it and he's gotten worse. I mean, he's regressed I think 2016 When he first I think really got extended playing time. I think people were legitimately really excited about him And he's not I don't think anybody's excited about him anymore. So Good luck to him. I'm not gonna miss him at all This is the best thing for him. Yeah for sure for sure
00:44:25
Speaker
Okay, moving on to a rumor, two questions. First one, Mike Parcelona asks, if Suarez does happen, how would you form the attack with combinations of Morris, Ladera, Rodriguez, and Rodriguez? And Interpiercinal asks, when Suarez signs tomorrow, who gets the number nine jersey? Does Ruah Diaz keep it since he was here first?
00:44:49
Speaker
it would be quite the embarrassment of riches. If you have a... I don't know that there is a formation that really makes sense. Well, I suppose you could go with a... You could go into a 4-3-3, I suppose, right? You could have Rui Diaz, Morris, and Suarez with Lidero kind of playing as a number 10. Although that
00:45:15
Speaker
That would be something. If you run that formation, I think Rodriguez has to play as a 10 and Lidero has to play in a double pivot. And you better hope you score a lot of goals if you do that. Oh, with this, with all five of them, I guess, Rod, I did. Lidero, and Rodriguez. And that would be something. It would be something, yeah. I mean, honestly, in the universe that
00:45:44
Speaker
is like the one situation where the Avengers beat Thanos out of the 15 million or whatever it was. I haven't actually seen the movie. That is something along those lines. Yes. That he does sign this offseason. I think that you have to sell one of Rodriguez or
00:46:02
Speaker
I don't think Suarez and Rudy are a great pairing. It's a really bad use of resources. It is definitely not a signing you make because it's sound roster building. It's like one of those signings that you make because it's like
00:46:19
Speaker
Well, shit, if we can get Luis Suarez, you kind of, I mean, it would be very much along the lines of when the signers signed Clint Dempsey. It wasn't like they had an obvious need for Clint Dempsey on the team. It was like, well, if we can get Clint Dempsey, we got to get Clint Dempsey. Right. And I mean, I guess that Ruby Diaz could play more underneath and kind of make runs off Suarez playing as more of a target forward.
00:46:43
Speaker
And maybe that works. Um, but yeah, I think the prudent thing is to sell Ruby Diaz, which I don't really want to do. So, uh, and I, I don't, I, I honestly still, I'm sure I'd be excited if the sounder signs for us, but it's, you know, rationally, I don't really want to be really exciting, but I, I just, it does start to feel like you're just kind of adding.
00:47:07
Speaker
Right. Well, and he I just he sucks as a person. There are many indications that he sucks as a person. Yeah, I don't know. I like I'm sure I get over it, but. Oh, the biggest thing for me, and I think it's I think it's possible that Louis Suarez is open to the idea of playing in Seattle, and I think it's very possible the Sounders are more than open to the idea of bringing him here.
00:47:35
Speaker
But there are some very real economic considerations, not the least of which is he's owed something along the lines of $60 million still on his contract. He's signed through 2021. So you're talking about like, even if, like, even if he finishes out this season, he's got three more years on his con. Even he's only got two more years on his contract. That's $40 million that he's owed.
00:48:01
Speaker
There's no way, there's no way at all that MLS is gonna come up with a package that is half of that, even if they more than half of it. So even if you offer them four years at $5 million a year, which I don't know if that is really a prudent thing to do, but if they were to do that, he's still walking away from $20 million.
00:48:29
Speaker
that's a lot like there's no that's before you consider a transfer fee yeah it's it's it's a crazy amount i mean that's so much money 20 million dollars there's like no way like right and and billionaires worry about spending 20 million dollars let alone someone who hasn't a finite amount of time to make like
00:48:51
Speaker
Right. That's just a lot. It's a lot of money. Right. Right. And I think maybe you could make the case that in a world where Barcelona's choice is to let him leave on a free transfer to get him off the books because they have players that can replace him. He's not necessarily as critical as he used to be.
00:49:10
Speaker
maybe if that's, if their choices keep them or let them walk, sure. But if people find out Luis Suarez is available, there are a lot of clubs that would pay a lot of money for him. And then Barcelona is not going to let him leave on a free transfer as long as those clubs exist. So yeah, I mean, like, I don't, I don't want to say this will never happen because it could happen. It just seems so far fetched to me. It's, it's implausible. It's not impossible that it would happen.
00:49:38
Speaker
Who knows? But it's significantly wackier than the thought of. I see a lot of people say, well, hey, I never thought Clint Dempsey would sign for the Sounders either. This is significantly wilder than that happening. And it also only happened because MLS paid for the transfer fee, which I don't see them doing again. And I guess you could argue, well, is it that much crazier than Zlatan coming to the Galaxy last year? Yeah, it is.
00:50:08
Speaker
It is crazier.
MLS Cup Discussions
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah. And there's a lot of reasons why for ones locked on was coming off a basically missing a whole year. And Suarez is in that he's probably gonna score 20 goals this year. And
00:50:22
Speaker
So it's like, they're not a comparable point in their career, but there's, there was also this marketing aspect of Laton coming to LA and kind of like expanding his personal brand that had a value that was beyond what he was being paid. Like that's not, Luis Suarez is not coming to Seattle to expand his personal brand.
00:50:40
Speaker
No, he wants to hang out with Nico, which I mean, yeah, I want to hang out with my friends too, but. Right. Do I want to spend $20 million to do it? Right. Not really. Probably not. Yeah. So maybe he's just freaking out about having that when I had to pay $2,500 car repair bill. I want to share that, which I didn't have to end up paying. Well, I'm glad you shared it then. Yeah. I had a warranty apparently turns out.
00:51:13
Speaker
Okay. Uh, just Gail asks, what would I root for in the inevitable eight Atlanta versus PDX MLS cup final, or do I just not watch?
00:51:22
Speaker
I will root for Atlanta, but I'm not going to watch it. It was the same when they played Columbus in the final. If they were playing a team that I didn't mind, like if they were playing Red Bulls or somebody like that, NYCFC even, I would probably watch it and hope Portland lost. But I'm not going to get any enjoyment out of Atlanta winning because I haven't really grown to hate them and their fans.
00:51:43
Speaker
uh the Wither fans by the way sidebar the Wither fans have reacted to the perfectly reasonable request to provide more than 900 OA seats in uh you know a what 71,000 seat stadium yeah it's been ridiculous it's been ridiculous and it's I guess I've missed a lot of that it's been it's been
00:52:06
Speaker
I mean, if you go look at the tweet of the story from Dirty Cell Soccer, the whole reply thread is just like, well, maybe they should try winning more games. And, you know, I've been going to Georgia football games and, you know, out of the stadium for years and nobody ever gave me any free tickets and shit like that. And it's just it's very far apart for the course for their fans. And no fans are worse than any other fans out there. All horrible in their own unique way.
00:52:35
Speaker
Uh, but the way that Atlanta fans are horrible is, is really starting to grade on me a lot. So it should be added. I should add some context to that story too. Uh, 900 tickets is actually less than what the Red Bulls were apparently willing to give away fans and their stadium is obviously much, much smaller. Now, I guess you can argue that Red Bulls will have a harder time selling their extra seats than Atlanta will.
00:53:05
Speaker
But that's 900 tickets. That's their entire allotment. That's not just what the supporters are getting. That's not just what fans are getting. That's going to be like all of the tickets that the visiting teams bringing, like their family and all that kind of stuff. The Sounders apparently got about 1200 total.
00:53:27
Speaker
in 2016 and about 400 of those, I think, actually went to the supporters. And then last year they got closer to a thousand, I think, and about half of them went to the supporters. And that's a much easier stadium. Yeah, it's like 18,000, right?
00:53:44
Speaker
Well, it was expanded to 33,000, I think, for 2016. And then it was like 30,000 for 2017. Still, it's a much, much smaller stadium. It's like 40% of the size of... Right. And so I don't think it's unreasonable. Now, should Atlanta give 3,500 seats to Portland or Kansas City supporters? Probably a little much. I don't know that they could realistically
00:54:11
Speaker
get rid of that many seats. But there's a middle ground between 3500 and 900, like a lot of middle ground. And that's why the supporters groups come in at 5%, right? Because they know the middle ground's there. So anyway.
Cultural Commentary & Humor
00:54:26
Speaker
So glad we killed soccer. That was glorious. Let's see. In regards to Steve Zuccoini's upcoming movie, Jim the Keeper asks, how many gallons of tears would it be acceptable to shed during Unbreakable?
00:54:41
Speaker
Uh, I mean, as many as, as you can without being dehydrated, I think. And the only reason that wouldn't be acceptable is I don't want you to get sick. So, uh, if you are just, you know, have like an IV drip or something going, you can just cry the whole way through. Pour it in your, in your, uh, rain barrel. Hook up a, uh, an IV drip just so you can enjoy that. Yeah, we're actually, uh, we're, I think we talked about
00:55:10
Speaker
don't limit any plans for Yacht-Con. But we're trying to figure out a way to involve Steve and his movie in Yacht-Con. Yeah, he needs that bump. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that bump will be after the movie actually plays in the theater. So we'll see what kind of value add we can even offer at that point. But Steve seemed to like the idea.
00:55:36
Speaker
Okay. Oh, and O'Connell asks, what do I do if the new kit sponsor is a company I revile like Delta related question, can we sign Delta and trade them to the timbers for Alaska airlines?
00:55:50
Speaker
Uh, I don't know who the sponsor is. I've heard that it's a local company, so I don't think it's going to be Delta. Oh, yeah. I've heard it's, I don't know who it is, but I heard it's a local company taco time. And, and it might be one that people are kind of nonplussed about. Like it's just like, Oh, okay. Um, but they're going to be, how are you using nonplus? Huh? How are you using nonplussed or using at the.
00:56:21
Speaker
like hey whatever okay so the wrong the wrong way that's okay that's fine did i say the wrong way yeah that's my that's my one thing that i'm uh a grammar fascist about i don't like saying grammar not to it's not good but there's no i don't know why i don't know why i feel bad for being a dick but no it's okay i don't i don't feel
00:56:44
Speaker
Like you were, like I, I liked being corrected live on air. Yeah, I'm sure. It's better than people at home going, what an idiot doesn't even know how to use that word that he used. I don't know. I don't know if I know any local companies that no one would bat an eye on that. I was kind of bemused. I hope I'm using that right. I'm pretty sure any, any local companies.
00:57:08
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, as long as it's not Amazon, because if if it was, I don't think it's going to be. I definitely don't think it's going to be Amazon. I don't think it's going to be T-Mobile. I don't think it's going to be like one of these big, big local companies. It's going to be someone like, oh, I guess they had the money to pony up for that.
00:57:25
Speaker
Right. I honestly, I taco time. It's not going to be it's definitely not going to be someone as like I think people love Xbox. Yeah. It's a great sponsor. And I think whoever it's going to be is going to feel like a step down from from that angle.
00:57:44
Speaker
I mean the only thing anybody, I shouldn't say the only thing anybody should care about, but from a practical standpoint the only thing that I see as worth caring about is how much money are they making and does the company on the shirt make me feel gross.
00:58:02
Speaker
That's about it, you know, like if it were like Emirates, or if it were Amazon, or our lines, or something. Yeah, or you know, like, just Qatar is like a general concept, like Barcelona used to have or, you know, like a gun manufacturer or something.
00:58:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think that you know, we're like a betting company a gambling company which is I mean I think a distinct possibility it's gonna happen sooner or later because if MLB can have a gambling partner you got to figure it's coming to MLS but And the the story I've heard about Alaska and I don't know if it's pocryphal But is that Alaska would love to sponsor the Sounders, but they can't afford it. I
00:58:47
Speaker
And so they went with the next, you know, next best thing. Maybe now. That's what that's what I've heard. All right. Straber 42 asks more entertaining game red card wedding or car show games. Red card wedding wasn't. It was ridiculous. Not a great game. It was a bad soccer game, but.
00:59:16
Speaker
You know, it was like outlandish. Right. It's like the only thing that makes the red card wedding notable is the ending. Right. Like if that doesn't happen, it's just like a crappy game. The sounders got lost. I definitely enjoyed it more and will remember it more fondly than, uh,
00:59:37
Speaker
you know the the the car show game i guess is what we're gonna call it but um i mean objectively it was they just keep the car show not the you don't call it the red card winning game true true the car show yeah so car show objectively a much better game uh exceptionally good game definitely i think that series was the best
01:00:00
Speaker
that we've seen of the two-legged. No, just this year. I think it was probably the most entertaining series the sounders have been involved in. Yeah, it was definitely up there. I can't sit here and say I've watched every
01:00:20
Speaker
MLS playoff series, but I would think that is up there along with the San Jose Earthquakes overcoming the, I think, 4-0 deficit to LA in 2003, I want to say? No. Yeah, I mean... There aren't a lot, I don't know of a lot of highly entertaining series, and I felt like that was a
01:00:48
Speaker
entertaining game but yet I don't like there's I can't imagine us ever thinking let's do a documentary about that series yeah because it was just a good game like it wasn't there was nothing ridiculous about it you know it's just an entertaining soccer game fair enough okay two more questions and then we're done
01:01:12
Speaker
Kapai, I think, Kapai. If you had to choose one Nicolas Cage character to live for for the rest of your life, which one would you choose? Randy from Valley Girl. Yes. I mean, I'm not I'm not super into Nicolas Cage. I know he's like a
01:01:32
Speaker
I don't know whether people ironically like him or if they like him the same way. I like showgirls where people think I'm being ironic, but I genuinely love it. I haven't been able to figure it out. There are two distinct stages of Nicolas Cage's career because when I, at least when I, up until at some point, I want to say the turning point was eight millimeter.
01:01:52
Speaker
where it was this movie that was kind of like an art house movie, but it was actually a disgusting movie about a disgusting subject. And it was really bad. And he was really bad in it. And it had ended up being having no redeeming qualities. But up until then, he had been kind of on this run of being in all these kind of cult classic movies. And I think there was like this, like,
01:02:17
Speaker
It was kind of a funny, but he got it, kind of. Also, Ghostwriter, I think, was around the same time, and it was a bad movie.
01:02:27
Speaker
And although maybe Ghostwriter ends up being part of the second part of his career, it was just kind of like a cheesy movie. Ghostwriter was like eight years later. That's surprising to me. That's not a gotcha. That's genuinely surprising to me that it was. I'm shocked by that. All right. Well, then he's clearly on the other side. What about when was Conair? When did Conair come out? Conair was 97. So right after The Rock. So I think that The Rock was like his first big action role, right? Because it was right after leaving Las Vegas. And that was like his
01:02:57
Speaker
That was like his legitimate breakthrough of being an Academy Award winner type thing. Right. Right. And yeah. And then The Rock, I hate, but I know a lot of people love it. I love I saw The Rock in the theater. I loved it. I haven't seen it since then, but I loved it in the theater. I can say that. Yeah, it's it's the most controversial criteria in collection selection, I think. But but yeah, after that, then it's just a bunch of crap, you know, like gone 60 seconds and using kickass.
01:03:26
Speaker
And I think the period after he did National Treasure, I think he just decided to kind of lean into it and be a mean, a living meme, which is fine. I mean, better than my life.
01:03:42
Speaker
But there was, but I guess my point was that there was a time up until like somewhere around the mid to late 90s where he was legitimately a, I don't think people were liking him ironically. I think people really, like I know I at one point thought of him as someone whose movies I genuinely enjoyed. Raising Arizona was another one that like, there's nothing ironic about that role. It's just like a fun role. And he kind of like,
01:04:07
Speaker
He just leaned into having these fun roles. Um, so I don't, I think you have to, so I think you can pick like Valley girl as, which also, if I remember correctly was not, he was, he was not Nicholas cage in. No, he was Nicholas Coppola. Right. That's right. Oh, no, that was his first role as Nicholas cage. Oh, it wasn't the ridge high. He was Nicholas Coppola. Oh, okay. Okay. But he did, he kind of did like a reverse Jim Carrey.
01:04:34
Speaker
in his career, like he's doing the kind of shit Jim Carrey did when he was just out of, uh, in living color. Now, you know, now he's like the man on the moon guy or whatever. Right. Right.
01:04:46
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, I was going to say like, even though I didn't really like Conair, I kind of feel like that character from Conair is a, is a fun, a good character. Or you could pick face off and be John Travolta too. When you felt like I loved face off. I loved face off. It's so crazy. Raising Arizona. He was pretty good in Raising Arizona. That's a, that's a good character. I think that's a good like character to live your life as.
01:05:13
Speaker
which one each time. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's a great, that's a great character to live your life. I agree with that. Absolutely. Good napper. You got a panty on your head. Okay. And to wrap it up here, T. Steege asks, how holiday beer suggestions, what are the staff's, what are the staff's favorite winter time comfort foods?
01:05:38
Speaker
Well, I always, I feel like I always say this and I continue, I think the abominable, they don't call it abominable anymore. It's the A-bomb now, right? I think it's just the A-bomb, yeah, the A-bomb from, well, they even call it that. I think they might actually just call it like the Fremont Winter Ale. And then when they put it in the barrel age, I guess they call it the B-bomb when they put it in the barrel age, which I just think is still like one of my favorite.
01:06:06
Speaker
Favorite beers around this time of year, every year that it's actually just got released on the day after Thanksgiving. I happened to wander into Fremont that day and it was a little too busy for me to hang out with my family. But, uh, now I need to go out and get some of that because I still haven't got some, but I am amassing quite a collection of barely two years in my basement that I need to start drinking. Thanks for thinking of this. No, I do. I buy one every time I buy one. What are you talking about?
01:06:33
Speaker
The only one that I've even really seen around is Jolly Roger.
01:06:39
Speaker
Um, the south end is, is a beer desert man. I think, I feel like I've talked about this before, but I don't think we've talked about this. There's just not as many, like you can walk into pretty much any grocery store, you know, in the north end and I feel like it's going to be a pretty good selection. Um, but the best you've got down here is like the Safeway, which has a slightly worse selection than like the Safeway and Ballard or whatever. Um, and.
01:07:04
Speaker
I wanted to get some Jubileil the night of the second leg of the playoff game, but the only one they had left was three Jubileils and three inversions. Like somebody had done a mix pack. So I was super pissed about that because I'm not going to, you know, I don't want I don't want inversion. It's not that's not good to me. So but Jolly Roger is always a good choice. I don't like I don't go to maritime. I don't drink enough maritime, even though it's very nearby. It's a weird one overlooked.
01:07:34
Speaker
And it's it's a weird it's a weird one for one most of their other beers I'm not super into like they're all really solid. They're just not I'm not gonna go out of my way to get them and Jolly Roger is a weird one because I love it, but it's not What people traditionally think of as being a winter beer? I mean, it's a very happy hoppy Sort of thing. It's a lot more like celebration or something but stronger. It's also like nine and a half percent and only it comes in a
01:08:04
Speaker
And six packs. So that's, you know, that can be a problem. But yeah, Anderson Valley Winter Solstice has always been my favorite, but it's increasingly impossible to find. I have a couple of their beers laying around.
01:08:20
Speaker
I don't ever think of them very much, but that's interesting to hear you say. Yeah, I don't even know who carries that anymore. Yeah, it used to be used to be able to find it really easily and they're not around as much. Just in general, I've kind of moved into my, I'm an old man and I like lower.
01:08:36
Speaker
Not lower alcohol beers, but lower alcohol beers than I used to like. So a lot of the big, heavy winter beers I'm not going to drink as many of as I would in years past. But the winter solstice is good. I still haven't had jubilee ale this year, which I guess I just talked about. It's late. So sorry about that. But yeah. And then celebration is always really good, too, because it's
01:09:03
Speaker
I mean, I like, I like hoppy winter beers, because I like hops, you know, so that one's always good. And then comfort foods. I use the Dutch oven pretty extensively this time of year. I'm doing a lot of just sort of throw some shit in there and walk away for a few hours. Get some crusty bread, you know, that kind of thing, just kind of whatever I have. We do one of those produce box things, so
01:09:32
Speaker
whatever's left goes in there with whatever meat was on sale or whatever. I'm a big fan of stews. I'm a big fan of, I really like doing spaghetti meatballs.
01:09:46
Speaker
I haven't had spaghetti in like three years. I was just thinking about that the other day. Oh man, it's become a staple here, especially when you have kids. Yeah, it's great. It's great. I should have it. You've inspired me. Kids? Or spaghetti? No, the spaghetti. No. Okay. I'm going to say.
01:10:05
Speaker
That would be pretty, that would have been pretty bold. You know, I just went to, speaking of alcohol, I went to Total Wine, which is something I've never been to before. That's a weird place. That's a weird place. It's weird. It's, it's like, they just opened a new one, I guess, in Ballard. And it's, it's the biggest grocery liquor store I've ever been to. Yeah. And I say that having been to beverages and more and everything else. Yeah. But what I got there was the, the eggnog from,
01:10:35
Speaker
Why am I blanking on the name, the place up in Capitol Hill? And I haven't had any yet, but I'm very excited about trying this eggnog. But it was a little expensive. I'll admit, I was a little taken aback by how expensive it was. But everything I've read about it says it's worth it. So we'll see.
01:10:54
Speaker
I mean, I always liked their alcohol, the times that I've had it. I used to go to, when I lived on Capitol Hill, I used to go to their old, that I think is, they sold, but it's like, it's called Soul Liquor now, I think, but it's like the same kind of- This is very recent, but yeah, and I guess they, I think Sun Liquor is still making the eggnog, but anyway.
01:11:18
Speaker
Yeah, they, so they still, they're just the distillery now, I think it's the deal, right? Cause they like closed their place on Pike or whatever it was, Pine. Yeah, I think you're right. One of the, one of the PP streets. And, uh, yeah, so, but yeah, I mean, their, their gin is, was really good. So I'm sure, I'm sure the eggnog's good. Those are similar, right? Eggnog and gin. Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah. Close enough. Yeah. So that was your last question. That was it.
01:11:47
Speaker
Well, we have, this is a long segment, but it's the last show until the off season. Who knows where we're gonna aim to record again. So we're gonna do our little award so many. So hopefully Lickett will come up with some amazing background music to play during this thing.
01:12:05
Speaker
no pressure no pressure but let's let's start with what I'm gonna call I think it's a good way to start it up we're just gonna kind of say a category we'll name the winner we can discuss it if we want
01:12:23
Speaker
but where I want to start is the award for best trolling of an opponent goes to, and we'll have a drum roll that we'll be playing or something. This has to be a sounder, right? Yeah, it has to be a sounder. Okay. Unless we decide it's not, but it's Osvaldo Alonso's coffin corner against the timbers. That was a great moment. It was a great moment. I didn't necessarily think of it at the time as a great moment, but I loved how mad people were afterward.
01:12:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's got a win for that, you're right. I was going to say Romando clapping at the away fans that were throwing shit at him during the LA game. That was pretty good. His response to that was his online response, which I think was very similar to the response he had. I feel like in 2012 when he made all those saves in the first leg of that series, he also had beer thrown in Seattle. We would never do that.
01:13:22
Speaker
No, I know we would never do that, but I think it may have... He claimed it happened, I think. He must have been mistaken. Yeah, I think it was just raining in his little spot. Just like right around him. All right, do you want to give a category you want to do? For me? Yeah, or Lick It. I don't have to do them all. I'm not going to do them all, am I? All right, I'll do one. Okay. Best social media destruction.
01:13:50
Speaker
I think that's Will Bruin won that one for owning O'Shan within an inch of his life. Yeah, that was just brutal. Let's recap what was the incident for which I was owned.
01:14:08
Speaker
I think you should tell the story because it's funnier when you have to recap your own. OK, so I think if I'm remembering correctly, it was me saying something along the way. It was, first of all, not like I added Will Bruin. He was not. This is just like out of left. Like he just came flying in from the from the dressing room or whatever the wrestling thing would be. And with the sound, Will Bruins music.
01:14:32
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And I think it was something like it's more, it's, it feels like two points dropped, but it's still a point gained or something like that. And he, he corrected me. Did I make a typo or did he just straight up say, no, I, there's no such thing as two points. So here, here, this is what happened is Senator Hart tweeted, this was you probably a point stolen or two points dropped. You decide.
01:14:59
Speaker
And Will Bruin responded, it's one point should have been three points dropped is a bad, is bad wording. And then you said, we'll make, we'll make you down for, we'll make you down for a point game to which he replied Mark apostrophe.
01:15:21
Speaker
That was good, you know. It's so unlikely to make a typo in a tweet. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it is unheard of. Unheard of. Let's see, best killing of soccer. Drum roll. That's the sounders. Invented killing soccer.
01:15:46
Speaker
I almost wish, well, I don't know. Would we want to be, if like, let's just say the Sounders were potentially going to Emma's Cup, what was your, what were your emotions have been like going into Emma's Cup in Atlanta, assuming like with this is the backdrop with the last time we were there, we killed soccer.
01:16:08
Speaker
I would have been scared shitless. I think, I mean, I think, especially without Marshall, I think that they would have ripped his new ass or rolled on potentially. Yeah, I don't think it would have been pretty.
01:16:22
Speaker
I have to admit there was a not insignificant part of me that was relieved when both New York and Atlanta advanced out of the Eastern Conference because that meant that even if the Sounders had made it to MLS Cup, they were guaranteed not to be hosting. And I was okay with not going to either one of those cities for a third straight road game in MLS Cup and
01:16:49
Speaker
especially short-handed, chances are the Senators were not going to win that. Right. Yeah. And if they had one, it would have been a repeat of 2016, which, you know, would have been great. I would have been fine, but I would have accepted that. As you say, would we be the first team in MLS history to not register shot in two MLS Cup Finals? If we if if it had to go that way, that's that's the way I'd want it to go. That's true. True. You know, so especially if it was against Atlanta.
01:17:19
Speaker
All right, so this one is the Christian Roldan Memorial Award for Best Pizza Hiding Technique. And it's gonna go to Christian Roldan. Yeah. I feel like the pizza meme may have finally played itself out this year, but it was a glorious meme while it lasted.
01:17:46
Speaker
You know, it's it's very cute, too, because I'm hiding the pizza behind his back during the press crime or whatever. Yeah, it was not like I don't think he was trying to be funny. No, I don't think he was at all. I think he was like actually was just trying to be polite and not be eating on camera. And that's exceptionally cute. Yeah, that's very cute. It's very endearing. He's a nice boy. That's that's what makes him so it does like all these things come from very honest places. Yeah.
01:18:16
Speaker
Let's see what else we got here. We got the Lamar Nagel most likely to return to the Sounders' Org. I don't think Lamar Nagel is going to win. No. I don't think we're going to... This is probably his last... almost certainly. I will... last time with the Sounder. I'll be interested to see if what goes on with him. I would love for him to remain part of the Org. I'm glad that he got to play some games for S2.
01:18:45
Speaker
He seemed to be having a lot of fun too. He did. He did score. He seemed like very okay with, you know, where he was at. Yeah. I'm sure he was frustrated, but I also think he knew what he was getting into. But who do we think is going to come back to the Sounders? That's the real... ...Kovar? I don't think Kovar's coming back. Remic? I don't think Remic's coming back. Srebrena Krosko?
01:19:12
Speaker
That's an interesting shout. I think Carrasco is a free agent. I think that's a decent possibility. Do you think, would you rather have Carrasco or Jordy Dillon? I think that Dillon is a better player, but I wouldn't mind having both of them.
01:19:34
Speaker
to be honest with you. And I think there's probably room for both of them. I mean, Carrasco's not going to get a raise. And he was making 60, I think like 62, five last year. So pretty like that. But he makes some upper money to dilemma. Well, here's the thing. If, if Jordy still is taking an international spot, I don't know. Like he's not that Jordy, I like Jordy dilemma, but he's not young. If he's still taking international spot, I don't know. I might actually prefer a Carrasco, but
01:20:05
Speaker
I would be kind of room for both of them won the roster. Yeah. The, the one being able to play center back, I think helps. It does. Uh, do other, any other players that we think are out there that could be that either. Because actually wins. Do you think Brad, Brad Evans maybe comes back not to play? I don't, I think that Brad Evans genuinely hates Garthogger away. I don't think he's coming back. That's possible. Um,
01:20:35
Speaker
I guess Remic could. I don't know. Remic is coming off a year where he basically didn't play and he wasn't that good to begin with. He's probably, if he doesn't go to a team that he has a connection to, which is really us or Houston, he's probably out of MLS I would guess. I mean he could probably play the USL if he really wants to hang on. Sure. He could play for us too. And I'll have a left back.
01:20:59
Speaker
I don't really, I don't want that actually. Um, we should actually speak at which we should correct ourselves a couple of shows ago or maybe it was last show. We were talking up Ibrahim Usman. We, I think we're both thinking of Denso Alyssi. Were we? I think so. He's the guy who the Sounders are high on and who was ranked in the USL, you know, 2020, uh, Ibrahim was not that player. Okay. Uh, well.
01:21:28
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Jovan, maybe. Jovan, that's now that now we're talking. Yeah, but I don't see that happening until like until summer. But hey, how would you like to replace Brad Smith with Jovan Jones? Yeah, that would not be a bad swap, I think. Who would lose his mind? That's okay. Can you imagine? I know, I know.
01:21:54
Speaker
There really, there just aren't that many players that Aaron Long would be nice, you know, but I don't, there just aren't that many players that have played for us that are still in the league that fill an obvious need, you know. And technically, if you were going to name the word the Lamar Nagel was like a return to the Soundage Award, they would have to have come back already and left and then come back again. Right. Well, yeah. He's like the only one though. Right. I mean, right. So any players ever left and come back and then.
01:22:24
Speaker
Well, I guess they would be, we can say join that small company. Right. Doug Herrick maybe has done that. Because he sees multiple times he signed the one day contract. And Brian Mares leave and come back. He's still here though. But Brian Mares did at least leave and come back already. So he doesn't leave and come back again. So we need to cut him. Yeah, technically give him the award. Right. Yeah. A lot of people have left and come back once, right? Right.
01:22:53
Speaker
Garth cut him so that and then bring it back so that he can get the war. Thank you. I'm sure Anything for a good bit anything It's your turn lick it Let's see best social media team for a player Raul is so I was thinking about this. I
01:23:19
Speaker
Obed and all the same stuff Raul did, but it's not as cute. Yeah. Or as good. No, it's not nearly as good. And it seems so much less contrived. Like it seems like his aunt is doing it or something. Well, like when Obed would do like the little insta posts, it was like, you could see like, you know, this would get a lot of likes if I did this. Whereas Rui Diaz does it and it just feels like, no, he just wants to
01:23:48
Speaker
Like he just loves filming himself doing shit like being in the car. So the one moment that caught me that I told you guys about was in his Instagram story just recently. He's off on international duty or whatever. And he's just in like a Uber or something and he's driving down the street and he just zooms in on the billboard and it's the billboard of him in a Peru uniform. It's just so baller.
01:24:13
Speaker
Like, it's so natural. Oh, great. He still hasn't done anything as good as over writing, like, the hoverboard or something around on the deck of his, his apartment. Yeah, he was like, like, like he death defying move or he was almost.
01:24:31
Speaker
Yeah, at the top of the the Braver or whatever. I do think that the funniest social media brand thing that any sounders player has ever done was Tyrone Mears posting a video of him writing a segue to Whole Foods. I'm still every every time I think of that, I start cracking up because it's the most like he's he's really not into it, but I'm sure he was getting money for it or whatever. It's just it's painfully bad.
01:25:04
Speaker
Speaking of along those lines, one of the ones I was thinking about recently was Chad Marshall doing the Airbnb ad. Do you guys remember this? No.
01:25:13
Speaker
At one point he does the backwards nested plunge into a random bed that he's like, hey, I'm doing Airbnb. And it's just like he looked way too comfortable doing this ad. And this was at a time when I don't think most people, including myself, had any real inkling about his personality. Was this the sounders thing at the 90 where they made people sleep in the 90 as an Airbnb?
01:25:41
Speaker
Maybe it may have been, it was like they did for a short time. The sounders had this thing with Airbnb and that may have been, yeah, but I think you're right. I think they, they set up the 90 as an Airbnb. It's funny. I would say the runner up for this award for the best social media team would be Senator Hart for Will Bruin, uh, cell phoning himself.
01:26:06
Speaker
That was pretty good. He, yeah. Like, I don't know if we talked about that a ton on the show, but Will, after that Portland game, DM'd us, DM'd me, and said, Hey, can you make that video where I write off on a rocket ship or whatever? And I'm like, what are you talking about? And I kind of had to like figure it out. And then he was like, Oh, do you mean,
01:26:33
Speaker
the shooting stars thing. And he's like, yes, like, like that, I guess. And I was like, okay. And so we, I enlisted the help of MLS watercolors. And it was the, frankly, the awesomest thing that we've produced. Well, the reason too was his wife was giving him crap for it. Right. Right. Exactly.
01:26:56
Speaker
Oh, and he, I also liked when he was explaining, he's like, yeah, she thinks it's a big deal. I don't think he's like, what are you going to do? He's like, I'm not a defender. He like big deal. He cut past me, but she thinks it's hilarious. And then, you know, that's inappropriate. I was going to make a joke about how she just announced she was pregnant. Maybe sharing a laugh over that video. But that's right. That was, yeah, maybe we, you know,
01:27:26
Speaker
Maybe we had something to do with that. You never know. All right. We're going to do a couple more of these. Sure.
01:27:38
Speaker
We probably should have put these in Google Docs and not. And not just be scrolling through Slack and trying to find them, you mean? Yeah. How about Best Goal Celebration? We haven't been doing this for that long, you know. No, we've been here for six, seven years. We'll get there. It's fine. Yeah, we'll figure some of these tricks of the trade-out. The Best Goal Celebration?
01:28:05
Speaker
Man, this is so far my favorite segment we've ever done. It's great. It's good radio. Really good radio. If you can add an hour to this segment, this hour isn't an hour.
01:28:19
Speaker
It's at the end of the show. It's fine. Nobody listens fast. A few. Add in all the things that happened in the lead up and afterwards of Will Barone scoring at Minnesota with starting with Smetzer taking his leg out. Smetzer in the celebration. Yeah. And then him diving in the corner. I mean, I think that's up there. I feel like we didn't have a ton of great celebrations, honestly. There weren't a lot of like coordinated. I guess there, you know, I will say low key.
01:28:48
Speaker
one of the special little things was Hondoel Buwanna coming up with this little jig that he does with other players that almost never gets, you almost never see live. But he, like, I think after the first Rudea's goal against Portland, they did it. And it was like so far after the play that it was very easy to miss, but yet it was kind of this cute little moment.
01:29:16
Speaker
We'll go with that because he's a good kid. He's a good kid. The Beyonder Yedlin most improved player. That's got it. New Who's got to be the most improved player. I feel like New Who's second season was a lot like Yedlin's, aside from the losing his starting job for like six games. Stupid. He shouldn't have lost his starting job.
01:29:42
Speaker
It is, it is interesting. There was a genuine, I think there is with things like, like little things that he's doing that I think I miss that other people maybe miss. Um, but I would like to think that they got beyond, like he cleaned whatever issues he was having. I think he cleaned it up.
01:30:10
Speaker
the second half of the season. And I think that in some ways it makes it very impressive because there was a point middle of the year, like when he basically got, when he got benched at halftime of the, I think it was the Minnesota game where there was a real, like, it seemed like he, like the Senator's man just lost a new who. Right. And I think it says something about him and I get, and to a degree, the Sounders as well, that they were willing to give him that other chance.
01:30:38
Speaker
even though the other chance was kind of forced on him, but credit to him for like pulling it together and finishing the season really strong. Like he, you know, his last 10 games or whatever were 10, maybe not 10, but the last, the last trip, the last run in games was, he was very good. He was arguably, I think.
01:31:04
Speaker
Well, no, Rudy Diaz was the best player in the playoffs for the Sounders, but knew who was second, I think. He was exceptional. Yeah, I think that's fair. All right. So I think maybe we'll call, I'll do one more. I feel like this is a good place to end it. And I'm very curious to hear who you think should win this award, but the Brad Evans Memorial
01:31:31
Speaker
best hair award. Who is who we've talked a lot about hair in the years past. I don't think we've talked about it as much this year. Who do you think the playoffs was good? Lajero in the playoffs you said? Yeah, Nick him in the playoffs. Okay. You have one look at it. Hmm.
01:31:53
Speaker
I have to think about it. Go ahead. Aaron's going to say something about his hair, why don't you? Well, I just, I was thinking about a person that looks like Taylor Twelman making fun of Niko's hair during the playoffs. I thought that was amazing. Niko in the playoffs was good. That's, I mean, Ruby Diaz has a good hair, but it's like Shryker hair, you know, like every Shryker is pretty standard Stryker hair. Yeah.
01:32:21
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's just, there's not really any. You know, I'm going to throw a little curve ball here. I think I came to really appreciate the controlled nature of Stephen Fry's beard. And it's become kind of a thing for people to grow these scraggly, huge beards that are like comically overgrown.
01:32:51
Speaker
But there's not a lot of guys that are like crafting their beard the way that like Stephen Fry really has a well quaffed put together. Like it's not a short beard. Like I, I try to keep my beard pretty short because, and then when I let it go, it just gets unruly, but he's, he must be like upkeeping that thing. He must have a guy. He must have a guy, a beard guy. I mean, he has a really, really well put together beard. That's a really good beard. Like.
01:33:20
Speaker
And that's, I mean, it's the best beard. It's an amazing beard. Yeah. I'm fine. I'm fine with that. Brad Smith's hair. Not good though. I'm going to say. And like it, I like it weird.
01:33:38
Speaker
I'll give a shout out to Henry Wingo's hair during the playoffs. It was pretty good. Do you even remember what it looked like? It was just lustrous. It was just thick. Thick and lustrous. All right. Well, that's a good place to call this the segment. We've gone on rather long. Yeah. I think this is going to be the record for longest segment. But yeah, thanks to everyone for another
Season Wrap-Up & Gratitude
01:34:05
Speaker
good season. It has been a lot of fun.
01:34:07
Speaker
Thanks to our sponsors for sticking by us, Full Pulled Wines, Queen and Acupuncture, and our broadcast partner Bootstrapper Studios. It's been fun. I am excited about going into this off season. I feel like we actually have some time to breathe. It's not going to be quite so chaotic. We'll come back. I'm sure we'll actually have energy to record once or twice during the off season. There's Yacht-Con. I don't have a firm, firm date, but between us,
01:34:37
Speaker
we're thinking sometime, it's probably gonna be midweek. It's gonna be in February, probably late-ish February before the season starts is what we're thinking. Like I said, don't have an exact date, but if you were to put a point on your calendar, February 20th is probably a good
01:35:00
Speaker
Good guess, I hope people like the idea of having a midweek event in the evening. I think my hope is that it's gonna be a little easier to get guests and participation. Although we've done a good job of getting those in the past, it's just always felt like we're having to pull rabbits out of the hat to make it happen. But yeah, it's been a fun year. Thanks of course to our listeners for chilling with us. This is a fun way to end this. We should start doing this more often.
01:35:30
Speaker
where we just go on and on and on for an hour at the end of a segment. But anyway, thanks to Aaron, thanks to Likit. I really, really do genuinely enjoy working with these guys. It's been a lot of fun. I think I've said that like 10 times. I'm Jeremiah Shan. This is No Study at This. Remember, you never yell at them.
01:35:55
Speaker
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01:36:35
Speaker
We love you. Let's win another one!