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Speaker: You are listening to Something Rather Than Nothing. Creator and host, Ken Valente. Editor and producer, Peter Bauer.
Speaker: We're going to try to like find all the answers in the world. And we're visiting here. This is the Something Rather Than Nothing podcast. And I have Vanessa and Isabel.
Speaker: And um ah Vanessa, you've been on ah the show before. it is is is just a great pleasure to have you back. um And for Isabel, first time on the show, we got some like...
Speaker: Big science, like, why the universe questions, and we're going to have those ah for you. But welcome both of you onto the show.
Speaker: Hi, Ken. Nice to see again. G'day, mate. ah G'day, mate. I wish I could say it like that. I'll practice. G'day, man. Yeah. My dad does it all the time on the phone.
Speaker: Oh, man. I got to incorporate that. That's what I'll do. I'll listen. I'll listen i'll watch more Australian ah TV shows. yeah well that Will that be my way?
Speaker: yeah Maybe. so ah i'm i'm I'm reaching you from from the great state of ah Oregon. Oregon. ah United at States. Isabel, it's great to have you on the show. I wanted to ask you like a big question because like on this show, part of the fun is asking the big questions and not like talking about the big questions that they're going to ask them. So I wanted to ask you one like one big one like right off the bat is
Speaker: and So there's these forces, electromagnetism, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, and there's gravity. And when I watch these science shows and like I tried to study this and like understand it. But one thing like my brain can't get around and I wanted to ask you is like.
Speaker: It seems like gravity is right there, but it's we can't describe it or we don't know that much about it. And I just like don't understand how that's so.
Speaker: How is that so that we just kind of like know least about gravity compared to these other forces? Yeah. I think it's because it doesn't really have anything else really in common with the others. Like, it's the force responsible for the curvature of space-time. So in that case, it wouldn't be too easy to explain. It's like, it's what makes things pancakes on Jupiter, if that's what happens, because it's huge. That helps me. That yeah that helps me describe it that way. Describing it that way really helps my understanding. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker: But, like, the other forces, they all have something in common. When gravity affects things physically, so it, like, pulls things towards the Earth and stuff.
Speaker: And, yeah. So, like, the denser things kind of get pulled towards it. I need to ask you another something because I was following your explanation, but like you even said something that made my brain stop in this conversation. You said something about the curvature of space time.
Speaker: like What the heck is that? like like What the heck does that mean, like curvature of space time? Seriously. It's like, they usually show it as like a little blanket, a sort of grid thing.
Speaker: And like something that's dense enough to actually kind of bend it. And it like makes things orbit around it. That's why the moon orbits around the Earth and everything else orbits around something.
Speaker: I think. But, like, um so it's, like, it kind of, like, serves space around it. And then the mirn like, when it goes around, the thing, it it doesn't crash into Earth because it's fast enough to, like, go around it.
Speaker: But with black holes, not even light can escape because its gravitational, like, pull so strong. It just just kind of... destroys all the the blanket, it just kind of sucks it in and so everything kind of falls into it.
Speaker: But the thing is, it affects the time, which is when the time comes in. So, like, if you'd ever see your friend kind of fall into a black hole, which is probably what happened,
Speaker: Hopefully. But just thinking about it like a thought experiment. That's very helpful. A thought experiment. So they get, okay, so what happens then? Like they're moving towards it. What happens? He just stops. He's just there floating in midair like, don't know, something floating. And then, but he doesn't feel anything. But actually at the same time, he's turning into spaghetti. And then he just disappears in the blink of eye.
Speaker: I've heard that that i've I've heard that description. That's really helpful. I got to tell you something. And I'm not sure if ah Vanessa might remember. She won't remember. She might remember the movie I'm talking about, but I guarantee you it's related to black holes. So first of all, black holes fascinate me, fascinate me so, so much. But I get to tell you this really strange story.
Speaker: Now, I'm a bit older than you, but When I went to school, ah towards the end of the school year, they would take us, all us kids that were in this school, that were in the city, in this small, decent-sized school, and they would take us to the food cafeteria.
Speaker: And they would show us a movie at the end of the year, like a whole movie. And for me, I was so excited. know, I get to see movies and stuff, but it's like you don't have to school and you get to watch this movie.
Speaker: OK, hold on. Guess what happens next? So there was this movie put out by Disney in the 1970s that was called The Black Hole, and it was this science fiction movie.
Speaker: And um I don't remember how great it was. it Like a lot of people know of so it, but it's much older now. But I tell you,
Speaker: the wildest thing that happened. So there's this scene in the movie where there's somebody, like there's things floating in outer space and out of nowhere, like ah an astronaut's face pops on the screen and it's like a jump scare. It scared me more than like anything. Like, I'd be like, why are you showing me this? Like, it was like, like a jump scare on the big thing. and everybody was screaming So that was my introduction to black holes.
Speaker: So I probably need a lot of better ah explanation, which is why um i've I've come to you. um Vanessa, do you... Are you familiar with the movie ah The Black Hole? No.
Speaker: You're going to have to watch it now. It's probably it's probably terrible. 70s Disney, Isabelle, is a little bit different than than nowadays. But anyways, it was a science fiction type movie. But that one scene scared me.
Speaker: You were talking about black holes in the spaghetti thing. I've heard that. Is it like... Is it like, they is it looks like that your friends turning into spaghetti in that situation? Or like, are they really becoming like human to spaghetti? Does that question make any sense?
Speaker: um I don't think so. Because since it warps time, I think they came up with that sort of spaghettification sort of thing. Um, where it kind of like stretches and then gets pulled straight into it, but it's so fast you won't see it.
Speaker: So it kind of stops there, but then it just disappears. But if there's, I always have this like, what would lasagna, what would lasagnafication be like?
Speaker: Would you kind of turn into a block or be, no. I love that. I'm getting hungry now, too. Your mom and I, when we do interviews, sometimes we end up talking about food. Guess what? It's happened again. We're not even 10 minutes. We're not even 10 minutes. And thank you, Isabel. We have plenty of time. I'm going to be asking you questions, but I also, in hosting the show, thinking about how to bring your mom. And so we got over to food. And she had asked me one time, like, what's my go-to meal? and i didn't know what to say. I completely stumbled. And then
Speaker: she had asked me what's my go-to outfit. And I told her it was an Adidas tracksuit, a warm clay tracksuit. She didn't believe me, but it's true.
Speaker: um ah How do we end up on food again, ah ah Mama Vanessa? How do we end up on food again? Oh, I don't know. ah um I don't like it though. i don't like where we're going because it's going to lead to that question, isn't it? What's the the dimension on it?
Speaker: What's for dinner tonight? It's the strangest question. It's the most hazen question of my day. I'm warming up sweet and sour vegan chicken bowl.
Speaker: Oh, God, that sounds so awful. I know. That's why I told you that. And that's actually what I'm – I knew you'd say that, but it tastes really good. But the last time the last time I ate meat was 1995, you two. That's a long time ago. Yeah. Okay, so does the tofu, whatever it is that you're going to eat does it mimic meat? See, this is this is where I think Americans are going wrong.
Speaker: Just eat the meat or maybe just don't try to make the fake meat. It does try to mimic, but like, you know. Yeah. um Let's move back off of food. um Yeah, cool. and And I want to make sure, Isabel, I want to jump back. over to um black holes but i also wanted to ask a whole different question and if if if you can if you can hold on speaking of food right so i watch these movies and i hear people talk on the news and they talk about mars right and i got a simple brain and people have always talked about living on mars humans living on mars but
Speaker: Like, i'm I'm not trying to be like not open my brain, but like even with these movies and explanations and like growing food up there and all these type of things, everybody says it's like it's something that's going to happen pretty soon.
Speaker: My brain can't get around it. Like, can we live on Mars or or how do we live on Mars? I want to know what your thoughts are, because like I said, I'm.
Speaker: It still seems science fiction to me, but I'm behind on this, I think. Well, we can. They are kind of building some weird stuff on there, but we need... I don't think it's a good idea. that they're like They're trying to get like all these... They need all these weird gizmos. like For example, if you try to live there, the soil is kind of toxic, so you're going to need these huge 50-meter jet-powered boots And then you're going to be stomping around.
Speaker: and And gravity too. yes it's really low. For our bone density and muscles, there's going to be have to be some exercise or strength training, a lot of it, because we're so used to having gravity.
Speaker: my gosh. um and bought Why do we want to go to What is it with us, humans? It's just the never-ending search for novelty. And, um I mean, I haven't even worked out Earth yet.
Speaker: It's just like oh no spinning rock in a, you know, expanding universe. And I don't even know what month it is. So ah for me to quantify moving to Mars is a little bit, you know, it's it's definitely stretching it.
Speaker: I can get stuck on some of these points. like I think because we're on the flip-flop sides of the world, it's like yeah potentially cold over and I'm out here. Yeah. and I'm out here in the warm. and We try the Celsius Fahrenheit things and like I have a calculator goes off my head. It's always wrong.
Speaker: It's always adding and subtracting the wrong way. so I use my calculator for that one. but Yeah. It's warm over here. But um so, Isabel, again, like on on on the Mars thing, um you said something not only like as far as doing it, but you like you said you don't think it's a good idea. Could you expand on that? Like, why why do you think like not the way to go or we could be doing something else?
Speaker: Well, I mean, Just imagine like a really long time in the future where there's just like a bunch of humans on Mars and then they're just all running around. Half of them has died and then they did the end just and then they're just throwing rocks everywhere. They're trying to like discover something, but it's just not working. i i don't know how to expand on it, but it's just not a good idea.
Speaker: yeah Vanessa. Yeah. um I mean, ah maybe I am already living on Mars. i haven't got a clue. Well, ah let's let me try to connect this. going try a different way, Vanessa. I'm always trying to pull you in as much as I can to this, right? So...
Speaker: ah A lot of my information about living on Mars comes from David Bowie and Ziggy Stardust. yeah So I have to say that out loud um in that music. So i I think that gives me a better idea of things. But I do love the song by David Bowie, Life on Mars. It's one of my favorite, favorite songs. So that's just I'm going to say out loud as an opportunity. You must be a big Bowie fan, Vanessa, or am I wrong?
Speaker: um Yeah, i mean, he's amazing. Yeah, he's amazing. He's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Amazing. button Yeah. Isabel, what ah music is your favorite music right now you've been listening to? Definitely Devo. I just love their potato album. They're all spinning. And there's this dude with the crazy glasses, the eyebrows, and then he's going peekaboo. Amazing. my favorite.
Speaker: Amazing. ah Congratulations on your success, Vanessa, for raising a great child with Devo. It's something
Speaker: to be ah to be admired um I'm going to go back on a couple of questions, like I said, Isabel, but I'm also going to go to a fresh new one because we need to get into cats.
Speaker: OK, so first of all, i do have to tell you, because i think it's important, ah even though I don't know where my cats are, but introduce their names because there's some.
Speaker: there's been some changes in, in, in, in the cat household, but first of all, the eldest is Mrs. Mia Wallace, uh, who is, uh, a tabby cat who's, uh, uh, 11 years old.
Speaker: So kind of wonderful cat. Uh, and the, the next in line is named, a Ripley for the main character in the alien and aliens. Uh,
Speaker: Ellen Ripley. So Ripley is there. and Ripley's ah two. And we have. mean, here's the bit I wanted you both just to know. um Julius, who is orange, who has who's like has the longest legs, biggest paws, stretchiest body I've ever seen his like.
Speaker: nine months old. He, um when he was born in tiny, he would walk up ah to me and my fiancee, Jenny, and kind of come up directly to us, kind of like he needed help.
Speaker: He had ah one eye taken out already. So he already has one eye and the one eye is healthy. And he is the wildest, sweetest, most huggable cat.
Speaker: We trained him to stand up because he's so tall and give you a hug when you approach him as a cat. its not So that's Julius. Oh, it it's not a cat. I used that word. used that word just so we could get along. Because what are they? We have one too, don't we? Our orange one. What is it? What is it? like ah It's not a cat.
Speaker: What is it? Yeah, we actually have an experiment which has something to do with gravity, I think at least physics in a slight way. um So we have a very big orange called Barcode.
Speaker: It's got some stripes. He's a mate orange. He gets wedged between the wall and the bin on his back, which was... So a cat is supposed to fall on their feet. Barcode... He fell on his back. Barcode doesn't.
Speaker: So therefore, by my understanding of a cat. He's not a cat. That thing is not a cat. That's a major activity that's cat-like. Yeah. yeah But there's many other reasons too, isn't there, that he's not a cat? He's falling off the shelf, getting wedged between the bin and the wall like this. Yeah. He's not the best at negotiating jumps, which um we don't know if he's deaf or blind, ah whether he can turn off his sight or... by you know with we don't We don't know. He's a big orange button. And he stares at us with all the questions in the world. and um It's disturbing, isn't it? Yeah, at the end of the hallway.
Speaker: it is honestly true. I'm like, don't look at it. Don't look at it. might happen. He's going to draw you in. No, he's going to enter his dick press. It's going be a trance. It's 100% an alien.
Speaker: Of some kind. It's not a cat. It used to be a flat pancake on Jupiter. Whatever it is. That's what it To bring us back. Thank you. Like, thank you for saying that, just for saying aloud the tough part about it. It's not a cat. Like, that needs to be said aloud. And I was just trying to use the word that we can use back and forth, cat, just like as a general, like, catch-all. But it helps me to know being like, I'm not comfortable calling this orange cat a cat because it's something else. It's another type of creature. It's cat-shaped. It's a rectangle, mom. I took a photo of it yesterday. It was across the couch. It was not letting me see this. Isabel.
Speaker: and ah isabel and a black holes Isabel, I love us jumping around, but you gotta ah i get to have you help us bring us back on track. We can talk more about cats. But the the science question is, I've seen this experiment cat.
Speaker: i've seen this experiment with schradinger's ah yeah And in this experiment is famous, and people repeat it and I've understood like little parts of it, but it's like, it says this Schrodinger's cat can be alive and dead, or alive and not alive at the same time.
Speaker: I'm a simple person, maybe with a simple brain, but hot a heck. Time for waiting, he's a son. hot a heck How is that possible, this Schrodinger's cat thing?
Speaker: Can you help me, please? Well, this is in my little weird science book. Okay. It's basically everything has its... Like, basically every possibility. It has its own universe ah for some reason. But, like, so in the experiment, the cat is in a box in Universe a with, like, a little bottle, like...
Speaker: right you have Yeah, toxic stuff in a bottle. And it's just kind of walking around, alive, it's fine. But then in universe B, when when it's sort of spilled, like it must have been knocked over, the cat is dead. So when you open the box, the the cat is both alive and dead due to the possibility of that happening. Wow.
Speaker: That's really, i mean, that's really helpful. Is it like... um like Like multiverse? Is it like multiverse? I have to relate it to comic books. I have a lot of comic books. I've read way too many or a good amount that's helped my brain. It matters which way you look at it. But um i understand it like I understand it through that way, through um through through comic books, essentially. it's um It's a multiverse type thing.
Speaker: Yeah. Or no? I think Kind of. Wait, a tiny question for you. What does E equal? What does what? equal. What does that equal?
Speaker: MC squared. No, first letter of the alphabet. This is the first time I've been able to use my drums, Isabel, for you setting up this. I've done episodes without drums. ah So thank you. All right. So we got some of that about straight-on-goose cat. Can you tell me about ah the most, ah let's put the orange cats aside for a moment, whatever's going on the orange beings aside for now. What's the whats sudden another interesting cat that you've seen or met recently that's not the orange kind of of phenomena? ah who who's
Speaker: Who's an interesting cat you've met recently? Sison. Yeah. Our cat. Yeah. He has yellow eyes. He's all black and sluffy. He's very beautiful.
Speaker: He? but Okay, so he's an American cat. They are from your paintings. Yeah, he's pretty. But um so he's an American cat and you're going to love this because, well, his name is Satan, which sort of leads to the fact he's going to be fairly irritating to live with. um And he's allergic to all food.
Speaker: All food. All food except kangaroos. And he's an American. He can't eat kangaroos. just It's just the facts. yeah Now you're poking fun at the the American guy that this is like Australia type of thing that they only think they can eat. can Only kangaroo? That's the only he the only thing he can eat is kangaroo.
Speaker: I ah didn know did not expect to get her, but i'm I'm loving that we're here. How do you feed the the the kangaroo? i'm i'm really i don't know anything about this. how do you yeah How's the kangaroo fed? Is it a pate or ah a... Yeah, it's mints and they are um his kibble is also kangaroo. So, yeah, that's been a fun experiment. if I mean, it depends if you enjoy cat diarrhoea. I don't.
Speaker: Isabel doesn't. um And so, yes, we did find out by... No. ah deduction and many vet trips. He also likes eating plastic. the And string. What is with cats? and anything He loves going to the vet because he eats something wrong.
Speaker: no yeah I don't know. You know who loves eating plastic is Mrs. Mia Wallace. is She like, yeah, they love it, don't they? The bread plastic. The crinkle? Yeah. it Well, it's like either could be like a sandwich wrap. I have my comic books in the plastic there.
Speaker: Yep. That's my own fault. I shouldn't leave my comic books and plastic out for anybody, right? Yeah, it's coming to safe. I know. You do. I know. What else? He also goes through Isabel's bin and eats the wrappers and tissues. Oh, Yes. What?
Speaker: yeah like that's sat and Some random bits of paper in there for me making some stuff invention on my desk. yeah And then some other stuff.
Speaker: Of some sort. I yeah have um some more questions. I'm i'm um i'm fascinated by some of the areas we got into. My brain's still rattling from the kangaroo food. But ah I want to jump over to Art Isabel. There's an Art and Philosophy podcast and thinking and like, what's the universe? All these like big questions. But when I ask...
Speaker: is your you know your mom's an artist, you're around a lot of art. What is are what do What is art?
Speaker: Well, I like to think of it like, so the artist sort of paints like their emotions with a picture and some sort.
Speaker: Like, sometimes mum lets me come down here and I do actually paint some. I've done three so far. That's not much.
Speaker: Mum's got like beyond quantum understanding array things. agree. I agree. We can agree on that. Yes. that It's like a a library. It's just so many things.
Speaker: it's just so many
Speaker: But, yeah, so it's like I like to use, like, a sort of inside joke and then paint that. So, like, I turn, there was this thing I made with Chris, and it was about, like, we made this secret language where we're kind of talking but we're not talking. So, like, it's completely muted. But then we can, like, mind control other people's actions. That was crazy night. And I changed it because I was making sculptures out of carrots for some reason. my God. And this fork. And...
Speaker: and So, yeah, I called it, like, the carrot land. There was this eye poking out from the clouds, and then Chris was some sort of son, and he had his mouth open. He was like... oh So not your standard art coming out of the household. um i i i absolutely I absolutely love that. You said something, a word that stuck in my head, Isabel, was when you said color and and emotion. So like sometimes I point out, like that popped in my head because that...
Speaker: color for me just really pops my head in in in thinking about emotion and how it makes you feel so i really like that part um is that how you feel it do you have that type of response when you see color like an emotional response and and that type of meaning what is that what you're saying yeah
Speaker: Sometimes when I think about places that I have been, this isn't particularly about art, but like I always get this particular feeling that I can't really explain. It's it's not really happy, but it's it's not really sad. It's just sort of fine.
Speaker: I like it. Is it colour related? No, it just kind of reminds me of the place that I felt when I was at that place. And sometimes when I think about it.
Speaker: Nostalgia. Yeah. I love that. I love that and what color can do. I watched like a documentary yesterday, and it was a 1970s documentary, and it felt that. And I was noticing when I was watching it how...
Speaker: it made my body feel different different because I was alive then, but I was young. so yeah I was just noticing that piece. And I think like images can do that. And over time for me, Isabel is like, I've,
Speaker: felt more comfortable and feeling the emotions that come from when I see a painting and being like, oh, I can feel that way and it can feel strange.
Speaker: And I ended up liking different colors as well. That's the thing that like fascinated my brain. the most. um the What's your favorite ah colors, Isabel, either to see or to use when you're painting for what they do for you? My mom hates orange so much, but I like it. It reminds me of stuff that ra that's radioactive.
Speaker: I like that. just kind of like the orange. I also like the sort of blue-green sort stuff. I like that. But like, I kind of mush it together and it creates a terrible old brown. It does. Which I use for the painting that I did at school, which is very, very similar to the one I did here. i just like doing eyes poking out of the clouds. So creepy. It's awesome.
Speaker: I ah have to interrupt what we're doing um because Julius, the orange cat, is actually near me. um So I do have to put the microphone down and pull Julius onto the screen so you can just see what I'm talking about. And I don't think it's I think it'll add to the mystery, not subtract from the orange creature mystery. So ah sweetest cat in the world. I'm going to bring Julius on. Hey, Julius, come on.
Speaker: All right, Julius. This is this is this is your moment.
Speaker: Oh, wow. He's really long. Let's see. goodness. He's got one eye. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. He's so cute. And so I try not to sneak up on him or make too um too many vision jokes or anything. That's just rude to do to the cat.
Speaker: yeah Yeah. Well, the cat's safe. Well, the only thing I could, like I said before, i only think in comic books on like Daredevil. My brain goes very simple sometimes for me to try to understand the world. But Julius is a lovely cat. um Not the greatest at jumping to share in the qualities that you were talking about. And um doesn't know limits. Doesn't know limits like anything.
Speaker: almost at all yeah proper limits, like just the like, not much acknowledgement of what's reasonable behavior in the slightest. i I totally agree. um So when we do the sometimes we give them treats and and Barcode can't find it. It's right there.
Speaker: It's right there and he can't find it and he's looking hard for it and he looks so perplexed and I'm like it's right There.
Speaker: ah Yesterday, took his food away and he was searching for it. we took Because he'd finished his dinner and he was just there. wasn't Did you see him? No, he didn't see. He was patting the floor, looking for his food.
Speaker: It was gone. and he was doing he did that for five minutes. The dinner was gone and he's there searching for it for five minutes afterwards. So, yeah, I don't know what happened. There's a glitch in the brain or Well, there's these wild... It's trying to smell off and eyes, but yeah.
Speaker: There's these wild glitches, and I think sometimes it's like... and in like like It's right in front of you type of thing. like It's so glaring. like How can you see? And then almost like in in my brain, almost like I think I would go around the corner and might be reading a novel and smoking a pipe. like that oned be I'd be like, oh, that's what the cat's doing as well because they're not...
Speaker: They're not shapeshifters or something? yeah getting closer Is that getting closer? I think so, yeah. All right. Well, this is an investigative podcast if there ever was one. is you know definitely a science experiment in our house because we haven't worked it out yet.
Speaker: um we went on And I don't think that we will. Universe being universe, they went together. We found our clones. Their last names were Wolfenden. Oh, my God, we did too. Oh, my gosh. the nights They were everywhere we were. They were there. They were there. They did the same things. oh my gosh. it was And then they did did they grew up where you were, but I don't know. Yeah, it was really weird.
Speaker: Yeah, that happens to me all the time. You know, you go overseas and yeah you meet someone and you know their mum and you for some reason you know all their best friends and, you know, they they grew up in the same place and they know your old school and they know, I don't know, your old art teacher or something. And it's like, why can't I just go anywhere and not know anyone? you know No. I don't know.
Speaker: Yeah. dlington there are There are burdens with the with with both of your talents, right? I think that's like you know at the end of it. There are burdens with the intelligence in a world sometimes that ah doesn't seem to be doing like some some really good, healthy thinking out there. Isabel, in order to learn like space of science stuff, like everybody has like authors or...
Speaker: or like ah lecturers that they really like so for me really important for me was I ah think a Carl Sagan who's like so important to me and in my head for a lot of reasons as an environmentalist and knowing and talking about space for my understanding Isabel for you what what things do you like to read where do you like to read things and which type of scientists kind of really kind of fascinate you I like the Jim dude.
Speaker: What's his name? It's Jim Al and then it's it's something that starts with K. Is it Jim Carroll? There's a James Carroll University. well something Jim and then know. I don't know because I don't study physics in my spare time. He made like a show called Quark Science and And he's just really fun.
Speaker: like what he does. He does this thing where he's walking over there, but then he's here and he's going... And he's able to talk about quarks. He's able to talk about quarks. Yeah, I guess that just is a word that enters our household now, quarks and their flavors.
Speaker: girlly is i have If I have it correct, Isabel, maybe you know it, or maybe Vanessa, you know it too. I believe quark is from a James Joyce book.
Speaker: um And I'm going to have to double check that. But I believe that term used either in a poem. ah Yeah. Yeah. I think heard this quote called three quarks or something.
Speaker: Mark or something? I think his name was Mark. Or was that his last name?
Speaker: You're asking the dude. We'll put in the show notes, Isabel. Don't worry about it. We're going to put in the show notes. i want to kick I want to kick it over to the name of the podcast itself, which you can answer like a whole million different type of ways. But the question is, um and not to be intimidated by your mom, I think she knows the the answer.
Speaker: Why is there something rather than nothing, Isabel? So in that same show by that dude that I can't say his name, um he did this episode where there's like something, everything and nothing.
Speaker: And it's, like, I can't really remember very well what he meant, but this might be wrong. So, like, it's, like, almost impossible to have nothing. So, like, if you make, like, a vacuum sort void thing, you try and get everything out of the road, you do.
Speaker: But, so, like, there's no air, there's no anything, but no nothing either. Pot twist. So, like, physics or whatever, like, they kind of like to push things into empty space, causing, like, random...
Speaker: matter particles to like just randomly pop up and then just vanish again. When that happens, like they create like a little anti-matter twin and then they just disappear again and over and over and over again. So there's not really nothing.
Speaker: Wow. Wow. wow I was following. I was following that. Vanessa, mama, you following that too? No. No? na he still He's still caught on quarks, or maybe a half hour before quarks. I'll take that out last week. Oh, come on. Oh, come on. Come on. We've arrived at greater understanding of a few things. ah Gravity, orange cats,
Speaker: um ah um maybe. um i wanted to ask you another question, just thinking ah about, like, How you come in contact with science, Isabel. you like ah like science fiction and like things that kind of speculate of what's going to happen in science in the future? do you like that as much or you're like, give me my science book and tell me the hard science right now? What's what's your favorite?
Speaker: um I like more of the real science. I just don't like science fiction. like They make it too weird. It's just like, it's just not that exciting because I know it's just not possible. It's just some... What?
Speaker: Well, I mean, no, it's just... No. ah It's just so expected, you know? It's just too... Well, the real science is crazy enough, I think.
Speaker: Is that what you mean? It's crazy enough. The real stuff is crazy enough. yeah There's enough to figure out. Carol rolls into it and then just kind of appears out of nowhere. um my my ah My daughter, my firstborn, her name's Trin. And ah love her dearly, but we have differences like in kind of like things we like. in I love science fiction, but for her, it's almost like sleeping magic.
Speaker: She will fall asleep within five minutes, so it's good for her falling asleep. yeah No interest. Brain shuts off. I don't know... why this is so fascinating and everything and then she'll fall asleep so i sometimes ask you know what people think about science fiction because it's kind of fascinating but i think i think you're right there's so many questions to figure out and this whole mars thing i don't know why i'll explain it better i'm speculative myself like i don't want to go to mars
Speaker: I don't know why I don't want to. I think there's I think I think I think maybe and this is maybe the way my brain works, like the worst people from Earth are going to end up on Mars. And then you're dealing with like, I don't know, 20 to 50 people. And many of them aren't that fun at all.
Speaker: Oh, that will be bad. It's like being in a bad class. And it's not like, hey, I'll take a plane to whatever I'd imagine. it's like being in a bad class for the rest of your life.
Speaker: There's no malls. There's no malls, probably. There's not any movie theaters. People you don't like. You can't go surfing. Well, maybe you change your mind. You have to learn how to like them.
Speaker: Thanks for the challenge. Thanks for the challenge, Vanessa. You're right. Maybe the problem's me. Maybe the problem's me. maybe You're right. It is a challenge. It is a like the old Buddha saying that which causes you the most aggravation might be your best teacher is probably your best teacher. So I think you just taught me that lesson. um Vanessa, we did and ah in ah an amazing episode um ah together. i We had about a 40 minute episode. I mean, I learned a lot. And um one cool thing, Isabelle, abel is like this is an independent podcast. And like I talk to a lot of like
Speaker: really amazing artists ah like your mom and other people around the world. And I think it's actually really cool to be able to like ah talk to intelligent people like yourself, Isabelle, and like ask like the big questions because sometimes it's like I feel myself, like life's a little bit like, but I want to know why. i might not know the answer, but I want to kind of want to know why.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying? So I really appreciate you being on the show. Not bad for a 10-year-old. Yeah. Not 10. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Absolutely wonderful.
Speaker: This is something rather than nothing.
