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Lazio Hammer Juve, Inter-Roma, Napoli Crisis Continues (Ep. 37)
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Lazio's Triumph Over Juventus
00:01:37
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Hello everybody, welcome back to another review episode of the Siriya show. It is only myself and Nima today taking the reins, Chloe is out. And also Chloe, I hope you feel better. But Nima, so the person who tweeted us that we don't talk about Lazio enough.
00:01:53
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Well these past two episodes I hope you're ready because today other than Inter Roma in a little bit of Napoli maybe sprinkle a little bit of Milan in there for their victory as well. This is all Lazio and listen the match that was between your team Inter in mind Roma did not come even come close to this display because this match was
00:02:19
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Whoa! That had a little bit of everything. It had a sending off. You had a safe penalty. But in the end, we have to say, one of the most impressive performances that we've seen from any team this season in the Serie A from Lazio, yeah? Without a doubt, for sure. I mean, Luis Alberto has, in my opinion, been...
00:02:42
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not only Lazio's best player, but he's been one of the top three best player, top three performers in the Serie A consistently from the start of the season. He plays this classic number 10 Krakortista role and he's behind everything that Lazio does and he's really enjoying his football. He's simply phenomenal right now and you saw that against Juventus as well. When he gets
00:03:10
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an inch of space and time. He can pinpoint pass 40, 50 yards with millimeter precision. And I mean, the entire action from the entire move from his cross to Milenko Vitsavic's technique when taking the ball down with one foot and finishing with the other, that goal is just art. I mean, that is one of the most beautiful goals. And it reminded me a lot of Bericamp,
00:03:37
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the goal against Argentina in the World Cup 98 when he gets a long ball from I think it's De Boer. In one action, make two or three things. Just one movement, one touch of the ball, you do two or three different things.
00:03:56
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It was it was gorgeous. It was absolutely gorgeous. Milinkovitch Savage, we all know, is great. But Luis Alberto, wow, what a player. Top assist man out in the city with 11 as well. Absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, I thought Milinkovitch Savage for me was one who really stood out. And another one who stood out. Listen, Immobile, he got the penalty save. I actually thought he played well, though. Do you agree with that? He played really well. He played really well.
00:04:23
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I thought he was great. I mean, I missed penalties. Anyone Maradona missed a penalty. So what? Doesn't make him a... Like, you know what I mean? So many... Who hasn't missed a penalty? Every single player has ever played has missed a penalty. That doesn't mean anything. Doesn't take away anything from his performance overall. It doesn't take away anything from his overall performance this season. He's been simply phenomenal. And that assist, that pass he gave to Correa before the penalty, that was just...
00:04:49
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That was delicious. I mean, that was beautiful. No, Immobile is really having the season of his career. I completely agree. And another guy who I thought had another good performance and in our season preview episode, I said that he could be one of the most from a price, from a value standpoint, he could be one of the most
00:05:13
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Or it could be one of the better purchases of the summer. I thought lots that he on the right was Really was really really good. I saw you Yeah, I thought you've had problems all over the pitch, and I guess that's where we can shift to now What we'll come back to lots you obviously we can talk way more about them, but for me I mean this this match really really highlighted some of the
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some of the flaws that perhaps could be inflicted upon Juve in the Champions League by other big teams in the city. I mean for you, what was it from a weakness standpoint that really stood out to
Juventus' Midfield Woes
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you for them? I mean
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For me, I couldn't believe just how overrun and overmatched their midfield looked. They looked like they were nowhere near the level of Lazio's. I thought Lazio, where they won that match was in the midfield. I thought they were so far superior in the middle of the pitch over Juve. I thought it was not even close. Couldn't agree more. I think that's where they won it. That's where they dominated possession and that's where they dominated, dictated the tempo of the game.
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Lucas Leiva was phenomenal. He was. And was able to give, to dictate the temple in the way that, so that Lazzie always came up in situations that favored them as opposed to Juventus. I felt Juventus
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You know, they're going to laugh, you know, they've been making fun of Kidira, but I thought Kidira would have been, was the kind of type of player that they needed to have in that game. But as you said, Lazio, I'm just so blown away by how well they played and coming back from a goal down.
00:07:02
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and to play in the way they did. And to be honest with you, when Leonardo Bonucci complains about the referee after the game saying all the decisions went against them, I find that so incredibly dishonest. Because the referee decisions didn't go against Juve, the correct decisions were made.
00:07:23
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it is that is a red card uh because it's a clear goals calling opportunity that quadrado stops. Lazio if anything should complain that they didn't get a penalty uh because because god knows what irati was doing uh on invar and not not doing anything but being a this video assistant referee um so no i i i want i really want to
00:07:47
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I think, you know, we criticize the referees when they get it wrong. But I think Fabri and Calvarese were world class this past weekend. They were two top, top, tough games, difficult situations, and they got it right. They really did. With Fabri, he was unlucky to have an irati as a VAR. Otherwise, he would have had a perfect game. Now, I'm really impressed with what they did.
00:08:11
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Yeah, I thought the refereeing display was one of the last things that should be of note for that match I mean really if you take away Shazny I think that could have been I thought the score line even it could have been worse Yeah, I almost think to an extent. It was a bit flattering to you. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more I mean if it wasn't for Shazny that we could have ended four or five one but it was it was the perfect performance by inside use like when his football works and
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That's how it looks like and I and let's be honest none of us thought that you were that let's see where we're gonna be able to muster that up against you but given that you You know didn't work gonna play in midweek Or they are gonna play midweek, but they already won the group and it doesn't really matter So we thought that we know we all thought that they were gonna that they were gonna struggle
00:09:03
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But no, today was... The game was absolutely fantastic from Lazio's point of view. And Simoni Inzagi might have just... I think if that was an audition, he got the part for bigger and better things.
00:09:19
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Great point. So the interesting thing is that even with a draw between Inter and Roma, the Nerazzurri, they actually gained ground on Juve, which you really wouldn't have thought. So let's talk about that one very briefly, 0-0.
Inter vs Roma: Tactical Analysis
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For me, I thought, from a Roma perspective, I thought that's a golden point, in my opinion. You really knew coming into that. You didn't have Paolo Péz. Edin Jeko, we thought, we didn't think he would play at all. And if he was going to play, he would get 10, maybe 15 minutes if that. Roma, they really didn't.
00:10:02
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get much on goal. The only opportunity that really stands out to me was a bouncing ball that Zanyolo got all wrong. But beyond that, I thought just in terms of on par, I thought it was fairly even. I don't think one side looked better than the other. For me, I actually thought it was sort of a boring display, but I don't know. What do you think?
00:10:26
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I mean for me I have to say this is in my opinion Antonio Conte's absolute best game in charge of Inter in terms of tactically reading an opponent and neutralizing them because you know how much respect I have for Roma and Roma's way of attacking and Inter completely neutralize them with a midfield with Borja Valero and Vasil Vasino and Brozovic. That is in and of itself an absolute brilliant achievement because Roma with Diabara and Vera too
00:10:54
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Anyway, I thought they were going to completely run over Inter. But Borja Valero and the tactical disposition in how Kante had them on the pitch, they just neutralized Roma. Roma didn't create anything except for that Zagnolo chance and pressured Roma into making a lot of mistakes and created so many chances which ended up going the other way that, you know, Inter fans were disappointed they didn't win. Going into this game, I would have taken a drawing day of the week given the situation.
00:11:23
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And as I told you before, I think I said on the part here, and also when we spoke privately, over, you know, Pau Lopez not playing that game and Mironte replacing him doesn't necessarily mean that it weakens Roma if it's just over one game, over an entire season for sure.
00:11:41
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And Mirante showed. He was the man of the match, in my opinion. I thought he pulled out one magical save after another. So no, I think this is a draw that both teams can be happy with. But I'm really impressed with the content.
00:11:57
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For this one, you have to highlight above all the absences because you could easily make the case that five of the seven best players who should have been on the pitch, there were three, four, five of them not present. And for both teams, let's be honest, both teams were lacking really good players. Inters, me and midfield was completely depleted.
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Borja Valero is not a starter in content in the content football team so that just kind of tells you everything you need to know although he did I gotta say his Borja Valero I mean when we talk about attitude and we talk about having the right attitude as a player Borja Valero was simply fantastic
00:12:38
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I mean, he looked like he was struggling and he should be because he's not the kind of midfielder that should play in a Konta style, in a Konta team. But he just goes to show how much, you know, when you apply yourself,
00:12:53
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And then we have a professional attitude, how far that goes. I thought he was, you know, big shout out to Boca for doing that. But no, as you said, this is at least seven players in both teams that would have started this game, didn't because of injury. And that kind of sets the quality. But Conte for me, I mean,
00:13:14
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I am really impressed because you know how much I respect this Roma team and Fonseca and the football that Roma play. I was really impressed with how Comte managed to completely neutralise Roma. I didn't see that coming at all.
00:13:34
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So does this match day change your perspective at all from whether it's Inter's ability or chances of winning the Scudetto or do you see Juve perhaps more vulnerable than they did before for just putting this match day alone in a vacuum?
Serie A's Rising Competitiveness
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Are you drawing any sort of long-term conclusions for the rest of the season from it, or do you think it was a one-off? How are you viewing this one? I mean, as he said, put it in a vacuum. But the thing is, you can't put it in a vacuum. You have to look at the entire season, and I think I just don't see it happening because, you know, Inter have Fiorentina, Napoli and Atalanta left before the Midway season, before everyone has played everyone. And, you know, sure, it's important to get these points now
00:14:22
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But I still think it's still Juventus title to lose. I mean, Juventus are losing. They were bound to lose at some point. This was the first match they lost. I don't see. Let's not create dramas.
00:14:35
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I mean, to me, it's the same thing. Let's be serious. It's the same thing with this notion that there was a poll out, I think, I can't remember who put it out, saying, you know, will Lazio... I was just about to bring this up. I'm glad you did. Go ahead. I mean, will Lazio be a Scudetto contender? And it's like, let's be serious, okay? With all due respect to Lazio, they are not Scudetto contenders. They really aren't.
00:15:03
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they are definitely contenders to finish in the top four. And if they do, I think they almost a little bit, they might have over-performed a little bit. If they finish top three, that's a massive achievement. And most people that have a sober attitude to this will say that. I understand when you beat Juventus comprehensively the way that Lazio did, then
00:15:27
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You know, you get, you know, your mind flies away, but there is no way on earth. It's just, it's silly that Lazio will overtake both of you when Iinte. It's just not going to happen. Well, I guess we could discuss one thing though, because I agree. I think this is a two horse race. You know, that's nothing against Lazio. I just think Iinte, Ryue, they just have a level that I think is above the rest. But I think it is worth highlighting at least that
00:15:55
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the overall level of quality in the league this season seems to be infinitely higher. Because what did we complain about in the past? We always thought it was Juve, then you had two or three teams just a notch below them, and they were significantly better than the rest of the field. So really, from places five to go right to the relegation zone, there was a huge drop off.
00:16:17
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We're not seeing that this season, yeah? I mean, that's at least one thing we could agree on, that the overall level and the quality we're seeing on the pitch, you know, this season, I can't remember. I would have to go back and look at the previous table. So anything I say may, you know, may be incorrect. But I think just in terms of the last five to seven years, this is at least one of the most competitive city odds that we've seen at some time. Absolutely. I think, I think you're spot on there. This is one of the better, but I think the trend has been pointing to this.
00:16:47
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for quite some time now. And now it's actually manifesting itself. You can see that there are more teams that are good, more teams that are capable of delivering higher quality.
00:17:04
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And this is like looking at the entire league. You can say that the level has been raised. The quality of football is much better. No, I think you're absolutely right. And I'm going to say, Roma, if Roma have two more good Mercatas, like the one they had this summer,
00:17:23
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they can seriously be Scudetto contenders next season. I honestly think so. I think the puzzle, the pieces are there and that's only good for the league. If you have two or three teams that are of a high quality that can go far in the Champions League and start contending for titles and stuff, that's only good for Italian football.
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Well, let's talk very briefly about one team who we thought would be challenging for the Scudetto and is not.
Napoli's Struggles Under De Laurentiis
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And that's Napoli. So not a good result again. Drawing to Udenese, who, in my opinion, just in terms of overall quality in the roster, I actually think they are one of the worst in all of the Serie A. They have not been good at all this season. They are one of the lowest scoring sides in the entire league.
00:18:11
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I thought Napoli would have no problems with them. But again, they have problems in attack. Now it's a mess because it looks like Ancelotti. We don't know what's going to happen, but there's rumors that Napoli are lining up a Gattuso to potentially replace Ancelotti. I can't make any sense of this situation because they have every
00:18:34
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bit of the keys, the quality, the manager in place to be successful. I can't figure this situation out for the life of me. And as much as we gave Milan a hard time in the beginning of the season, Napoli now in the table are only one point ahead of Milan, which to me is just insane when you compare the level of quality and the class when you compare them to each other. I think it's criminal their place in the table.
00:19:02
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Yeah. And we know the reason for this. It is De Laurentiis. He's completely, you know, when you have a volatile owner who explodes in the wrong place, it doesn't take a lot for the whole building to come down. And that's what's happened here. It's not Ancelotti. He's completely destabilized this Napoli and it will take them quite some time to recover from this. But I do think that this, you know, the Champions League game
00:19:29
Speaker
If they were able to win and maybe win the group, which I think they can do, winning the group, that group, without losing a game is really impressive. And I think that will give them a boost. But we'll have to see if they can do that. And if they do maybe over the Christmas period, then there's more funds to be invested. We'll see what happens. But I do think that,
00:20:00
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I put all the blame here at the feet of De Laurentiis. There was no need for him to completely destroy his own, his coach, the credibility of a coach like Ancelotti by calling Aritiro over his head. There was no need to call that Aritiro to begin with. It's just, you know, this guy, you know, some things you should not get involved in and he has gotten involved.
00:20:27
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and that he's not, you know, and this is to the detriment of anopody. I mean, do you think this is something that can be solved by a transfer market? Because this doesn't seem like a quality issue. This seems like an attitude. This seems like an emotional. This seems like a lack of leadership issue in several facets of the club. On the pitch, perhaps with Ancelotti, obviously De Laurenti, there's a huge problem for this. So where do you go from here, though? Because do you really think Atozo is the man to get them out of this? Because I don't.
00:20:56
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Well, to be fair, Gatuzo is because Gatuzo has a different style, though, doesn't he? He comes in there and he demands, you know, he's a new face, he's a fresh face. He's not, you know, he's not related to anything that happened before, to the mess before. So he can kind of come in from a fresh perspective and be kind of, you know, be completely faultless and everything that's happened before and kind of help them.
00:21:22
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you know, rebuild from there. And he's a very disciplined guy. He's a very honest person. Players like him. So I think he would be a good person like that. But that's the thing, though. But that's, again, another short term solution. That's a short term solution. That's not something that takes Napoli to the next level.
00:21:45
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And that's where they want to be going. This is what Ancelotti was supposed to do. He was supposed to take them to the next level. I feel like this is, and Chloe has mentioned it on one of the previous episodes, I think this really is a case in my opinion of a cycle having been ended and they just happened to find themselves in the middle of the season when
00:22:07
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They sort of realize this and everything points to that. So I don't think this is something that a new manager fixes. I really don't. Speaking of, I guess, having fixed themselves to at least a certain degree, Milan, they've won two in a row now. They win three to two at Bologna a week after having beaten Parma
Milan's Resurgence
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one to zero.
00:22:28
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What do you think is are they are they experiencing the purely high as you'd like to call it yeah this is the purely high it's short but sweet. I think they to be honest if you look at their fixtures the upcoming fixtures they've got i think this one could go on for quite some bit.
00:22:48
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They have Sasol at home, which I think they'll win. Then they have Atalanta Way will be the one to see if this is really the real deal or not, because that's a really important game. So no, I think they could continue winning one more game. And then they have to show if they're the real deal against Atalanta before the Christmas break. But I do think that this is long awaited.
00:23:17
Speaker
Milan are on the way up. They're 10th. They shouldn't be 10th. But I think before Christmas, we'll see them around 7th. And that's a good sign. At least it's going in the right direction. Yeah, I agree. So we'll talk a little more about some of the upcoming matches later in the week when hopefully Chloe is feeling better and we can all discuss some of the matches that are upcoming for the next match day. But real quick,
00:23:42
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The most notable one, I guess I should say. Well, I guess there's two. If you want to count Fiorentina, eat that. Which, I don't know. Maybe in another life we would consider that a highlight. A highlight match, but Fiorentina happened so bad.
00:23:58
Speaker
that we'll let Chloe speak on this later in the week but can you believe that that could be that could be the reason she's feeling so yeah well maybe well listen i don't think she watched Torino Fiorentina because i watched it as well so i watched it too um it was they were awful yeah Fiorentina were really really bad um
Fiorentina's Managerial Troubles
00:24:19
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They get a consolation goal at the end and the score line was again very flattering to Fiorentina. Torino should have had at least one more goal to their name. But the odd thing was, sporting director of Fiorentina, Daniela Prada, he comes out after the match and he confirms.
00:24:37
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that Montala will not be sacked and that he will be on the bench for their upcoming matches against Inter and Roma. To a degree, I guess I could understand why he would do that. Chloe has mentioned that Comiso seems like a guy that doesn't really like a lot of turnover from a managerial standpoint, which for a new president, especially, well, I shouldn't call him a foreign one because he was born in Italy, but
00:25:00
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I guess for a new president, I guess that seems like the pragmatic thing to do. But I mean, Nima, this has gotten to the point where they're not only unwatchable, they are getting nothing in terms of results. Yeah. And that's the weird, you know, that's the thing, though, when when you're playing well and you don't get the points, that's going to come and hurt you when you're not playing well and not getting the points. And because Fiorentina have been playing really well, but they haven't been delivering the results. Now they're playing awfully and they're not delivering results. And that's
00:25:30
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That's a big problem here. And I honestly think that this is a managerial issue. I really don't think that Montella has what it takes to guide this new project at Fiorentina. I'm generally not a big fan of returns. Ligpi's return to Juve didn't go that well. Capella's return to Milan did not go that well. Generally speaking, returns don't go that well. And so I really don't think Montella should have, you know, I think they should have changed.
00:25:59
Speaker
I know Chloe isn't here, but he's standing there. He's standing there and he's sitting on his vineyard and he's just waiting to be called. And I think he would do an awesome job.
00:26:13
Speaker
Yeah, I think you will too. And with January looming, you could at least start constructing the team in Spalletti's image. Now we talk about him a lot. He's sort of a meme on this podcast of ours, but I actually do believe this Fiorentina have several pieces in place to actually play like a Lucciano Spalletti side. I don't think it would require a massive overhaul that you would generally expect when you bring in a new manager.
00:26:40
Speaker
Absolutely. And we've said it before on this pod, that that's exactly the case. I think for his 4-2-3-1, they have the pieces in place. They have the central midfield in place. They have the wingers in place. He has the full banks and the defenders in place. I think all of everything, maybe missing is number nine, but maybe a trécoartista if you want, if you really want to, you know, but I... Or Vlahovich, man. I mean, that guy, it looks like you could set the ball in front of the goal and he still won't score.
00:27:10
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No, he just looks, he doesn't look like a player, you know, he's a young player and he's a talent, but this is too much, too much to put on his shoulders. And that's clear that he wasn't ready and he isn't ready for this challenge. Yeah, I agree. I completely agree. So one of the matches that's upcoming in the match day that we'll talk about real quickly here. When Chloe's here, we can certainly dive into it more, but we have Lazio Cagliari
Preview: Lazio vs Cagliari
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coming up. That's going to be fireworks. Which is going to be great because
00:27:40
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Uh, Cagliari made another strong comeback against Sasuolo, Berardi, he misses a penalty. You know, I keep waiting for this other shoe to drop with Cagliari because I say to myself, my gosh, that back line, other than Pellegrini, uh, Pisacane just doesn't do it for me. I thought, listen, nobody can argue the quality in the midfield, the attack. I thought that defense would do them in, but I cannot believe how well Maran has them organized. I'm still stunned each time they take the pitch.
00:28:09
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They look so good. That team is built to play that diamond midfield, that 41442, but a diamond midfield. It's so well organized. They play so well and you have Giovanni Simeone who works so hard defensively and never stops running for the team. Maybe he doesn't score as much, but he creates so much just by his work rate. And then obviously that midfield with Chigarini, Clavin, Rog and Langolan, which is
00:28:39
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brilliant so now it's a really good it's a really fun team to watch and this is going to be what a match is going to be against Lazio who are very good attacking wise and so are Caliari so this is going to leave a lot of space for both of these teams to attack it's going to be so so interesting but before we go I was just going to say the Champions League is decided the group stages and all Italian teams
00:29:04
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or have a chance or have qualified, you know, Inter Barcelona.
Atalanta's Champions League Hopes
00:29:09
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Barcelona without Messi, which has been confirmed. And Atalanta can actually still go through. That's interesting because Atalanta we were talking about after their, I believe it was after the second match in the group stage, we were discussing if they were actually punting it to try and finish in the top four again. But no, they're actually back in this now. They are. And think about it. I mean, they play a way against Shakhtar Donetsk.
00:29:34
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and city play against Dinamo Zagreb, which basically means that as long as Manchester City don't lose and Atalanta win, Atalanta will go through. That would be something if we could see all of the Italian teams go through. It would be amazing, wouldn't it?
00:29:54
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Even in the Europa League, I think it's important. I believe only Nancio are the ones who look like they won't progress. Roma, they have qualification in their hands. So that's not something I think we have to worry about. They're going against Vosburg. No, but Torino screwed it up. Oh, you're right. You're right. I forgot about Torino. Well, it's Mazzari. I mean...
00:30:17
Speaker
Well, we're trying to keep this family friendly. So I don't want to keep, yeah, I won't mention the alternate ego we have given on social media for Mazzarrini. But even if you know basic level Italian, you can sort of connect the dots.
00:30:36
Speaker
It's so good. It is good. It's the best nickname for him. Well, it fits him perfectly. Anybody who knows him has heard him speak. It all makes sense. So that's where we will end it. We will be back later in the week. As always, thank you so much for listening and until next time. Bye bye.