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Voices with Insights: Episode #7 Unlocking the Secrets of Inclusivity with a Gender-Fluid Coach
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Get ready to deep dive into the dynamic world of self-awareness with Chella Pandian Pitchai, a gender-fluid coach who’s all about embracing inclusivity and unlocking the next best version of yourself.
Chella’s journey is nothing short of inspiring. From humble beginnings, he’s a self-made person and now he coaches leaders at India’s largest biopharmaceutical company - Biocon Biologics - with over 16,000 employees.
Drawing his energy from meaningful conversations “like a mobile phone on charge,” Chella shares his approach of inspiring others by accelerating personal growth using the simple framework of colour with the Insights Discovery tool.
Tune in for some thought-provoking conversations…
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Introduction to Voices with Insights and Marcus Wiley
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Hello to our Insights community who continue to change lives around the world. My name is Marcus Wiley and welcome to the Voices with Insights podcast. I hope you're feeling colorful to your core today as you join us on a ride of discovery.
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We will chat with practitioners from across the globe to discover their fascinating untold stories. Whatever you are doing listening to our podcast, let's see if we can uncover an idea or two that will help you to create high-performing teams through awareness of self and others in a powerful and simple way.
Meet Chilla: The Yellow Energy Enthusiast
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So I am here today with the wonderful Chilla. How are you today? i'm doing very well and I'm on high on my yellow energy. So I'm fully sunshine yellow today.
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High on yellow energy. Look out everybody, right? So we're going to get some fun and involvement today, perhaps. there Certainly lots of agility in the conversation. Well, Chilla, it is fantastic to be with you today.
00:00:57
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And um in a moment, I'm going to ask you to tell us a little bit about yourself. But before we do that, one of the questions that we'd like to ask up front is, is there a person in your life that knows you really well?
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And how do they describe you through the lens of the four discovery color energies? Well, that's an interesting question. And now there is a huge gap between what people have seen me versus who I am.
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And people generally, if I want to demonstrate with this, people always see me, my green on top, but that's an opposite color, right? So I'm not in gray spoke, technically speaking, which we'll talk a little later.
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But this is my bottom. But people generally see this way. Right. And this is my perception, which I leave it to people. But the reality my green is at the bottom.
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And so that's that's what people see. But the yellow and blue reminds the same place. And that's always wondered what makes people think I'm a very caring person. versus target driven ah probably but neither i in the gray spoke to justify that i use opposite color energies frequently not here but this is what it is so our listeners today might experience some of your earth green energy backed up by fire red sunshine yellow and cool blue but for you and your own self self perception the earth green energy is at the bottom of those building blocks as a foundational thought perhaps
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Good. So we shall look forward to a little bit of your fire red. And it sounds like your sunshine yellow is dialed up, which is brilliant. So therefore, let me ask you a little bit about yourself.
Identity and Professional Journey
00:02:29
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Can you briefly describe who you you are your role in this world and in the planet? and then And maybe talk about business in your part of the world or your experience from your business around the world.
00:02:41
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Great. And ah I struggle to describe myself. And if you see, when I facilitate as ah as a coach for insights discovery, there is ah in the beginning of the journey, there is there is one handbook I give it to people and then ask them, it's a journal, and ask them to go to the page number three. Then there is, who am I? Right?
00:03:01
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Right. It's a very, very powerful question and it's not easy to write four sentences of yours and that means that yeah two it defines you sometimes or it describes you.
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right So, voma am I an inclusive human being? If you go to my LinkedIn and I put it as inclusive human being, I think that's how i'll define myself. whatever role I do, it all leads to that.
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And also go gender fluid or I claim myself as no gender identity. The reason being did not favor me or did not help me in any manner claiming um part of one gender.
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And because I work with all genders, I do counsel and coach and mentor all genders. And hence, I felt there is no way I can take pride of my gender, neither my generation because I deal with all generations.
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And so I take pride of being an inclusive human being. I think that's what describes me. And being an inclusive human being, I demonstrate this inclusiveness in several different work life.
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which includes manufacturing operations and in HR, then strategy, innovation, and diversity, equity inclusion. That's what passionately I drive now. And culture, values, belongingness is another function.
Inclusiveness and Innovation: The NBV Concept
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In a way, we are one of the very few companies in the world which has a dedicated function called culture, values, belongingness. And it's it's over and above the DEI, which is again another dedicated function.
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And of course, then now also focus on sustainability, and then talent succession planning. So that's that's what I do for the organization currently. But that's what I've been doing all through as well. And the one thing which came as a core of all this ah is the inclusiveness.
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And it enabled me to innovate, that enabled me to ah become a better person and it allowed me to find my next best version. I call it as NBV. In my TEDx talk, I spoke about it called next best version.
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And what enabled me is being inclusive. So I think that that's where i ah put it in one word. I'm an inclusive human being. Inclusive human being. Fantastic. And the part of the world that you're based Chilla?
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I've worked in ah many different countries and I've been in the global role in my previous stint. And then currently I'm based in Bangalore, but again, I ah belong to a place called Ooty.
00:05:27
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Then I've study different place and then I've been Bangalore then Delhi and Mumbai and Thailand Malaysia so I've been in Indonesia by Singapore so I've been roaming around a lot but um I don't know where I belong to but I belong to the human life and I'm so currently in Bangalore so i let me put it that way I'm currently in Bangalore. Currently in Bangalore but wherever you travel to you will make it your endeavor to be included because you're an inclusive human being I get it loving it And I mean, inclusion is a topic that is very broad, very important in this this world.
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And um I sort of hesitate to ask you the juxta juxtaposition of this question, because I get that you're very fluid and very general and and in your approach. But is there an area of inclusion that you really like to focus on or specialize in? Or or indeed, do you have like a superpower in that and and that area?
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I wish I had the superpower, and but inclusion when I have to specifically focus, it's on human beings. And ah do I focus a lot about environment?
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ah Well, I do that as a part of my role because I also take care of sustainability. But ah do I ah focus on other living beings? Not much as much as human beings. I think my passion is about being with humans and see how we can find our next best version.
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And also in the process, I find my NBV and at the same time, I help others to find their next best version. So that's where coaching, mentoring ah gives me lots of energy. a lot of period times people say when they do a session, whether it is a facilitating or is it a coaching session, group coaching, mentoring,
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people feel their energy depleting or they are losing energy. For me, I draw energy. In every conversation, I focus and I draw energy. And in every session, I come back fully charged. It's almost like um mobile phone p plugcked into ah plugged into electric point where I get fully charged and come out. I never feel I can go without food. I can go without anything, but I just go for ah any coaching session. I come back fully charged.
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Lovely. I 100% agree with that, right? it It's definitely an environment where as a coach you feed as much, if not sometimes more than the the person who's and The coachee.
Chilla's Path of Self-Discovery Without Mentors
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So this NBV is a really interesting concept, which I'm desperate to ask you about future-wise. But before I do that, I wonder if you might journey back with me to a few NBVs ago, right? You know, i so I don't know what we would call them.
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Your previous best version. And so um tell us a bit about, like, what did you do before you got into all this type type of work?
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And then I guess at some point in time, you've you've had an experience with Insights Discovery. so So maybe tell us a little bit about earlier earlier parts of your career, how you've transitioned into this role, and how you indeed had an early experience with Insights Discovery.
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Great question. And ah it again, I'm going to use my blue to introspect, right? So um I've come for a spontaneous conversation today. The reason being, ah it's always best to reflect on you. I think that's the discovery we're talking about. We can't be prepared for discovering because if you're prepared for discovering, that's not a discovery.
00:08:51
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That's a known thing which you are reproducing it. So I've gone for a discovery today. So let me do that. I was probably the become competitive because of the opportunity versus availability. availability versus the One is affordability. Second is about the demand and supply, right?
00:09:12
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So being in India with a billion population, billions of population, that automatically ah there are less opportunities and more people are driving towards that. Obviously, you have to be ah having a unique selling proposition, USPs, or you need to have a differentiator.
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So that has been in my mind in my young age. But then you always put it, you're bracketed under the generic crowd, right? so if you want to bring something unique to yourself, then you need to discover yourself. But I didn't know discovery that time.
00:09:42
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But probably what helped me to go deep into me to see what are the things which I have that can differentiate me. I don't know where I picked this. I wouldn't call it as a skill, but this thought, it it was just a mindset.
00:09:54
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So today I know what happened because when I retrospect or when you go back to the past to see the pattern of how you have built yourself. But today I have framework like discovery insights or any other framework I can use to relate to.
00:10:09
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But when I was evolving, i was just evolving with this mindset. I think predominantly the mindset helped me. The positive attitude towards I want to be there. I want to make a difference. I want to be visible. I want to be competitive.
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Healthy competition. So it's not about any negative way of doing it. It's all about positive because I am high on integrity. As the days passed, years passed, I think I always looked for something which will make me differentiate from others.
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And that's how I was finding my next best version. I didn't know the word. i coined it later. oh But it was never in my mind as NBV. But it was all about what's next and how can I ah move to the next stage of my life and my career and my financial growth, spiritual growth to every all all dimensions of human life. Right.
00:10:56
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I did have this multi-interest, if I may use the word interest, but a lot of passion for many things. right It's just not on a career, but also personal life, family life, and and so on and so forth. So that allowed me. So the learning was always key. I'm still learning and never stopped.
00:11:12
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And I knew that learning can ah make a ah drastic difference for anyone and in a positive manner. So learning, being curious, I'm still curious. I still sit with my...
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teen teenage son and and I show similar curiosity like what he shows and then of course I constantly discover myself to what else is missing what are the other hidden potentials and I'm open for feedback i think all of this brought me to where I am today but I'm not saying I've reached you know if I compare me with me I've reached great level of growth But then when you go and compare yourself with the rest, then you might feel, well, what you've reached is not good enough.
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But I never want to compare with others because it's all about where I started because all of our starting point is not the same. yeah yeah So that's that's how I measure my growth and that's how I stay coming from where I started to where i am.
00:12:07
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Came from a very poor family, ah couldn't afford good studies and good colleges. And I had to do one of my graduation and then I did everything on my own. I'm a self-made person.
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and then picked up the responsibility of family and then picked up response my career picked up a responsibility for the way i work the way i behave the way i lead so all of this is self-made i didn't have mentors i didn't have ah coaches i didn't have an opportunity of studying you know best of the colleges but that's fine but that's that doesn't defines you it's again goes back to the deep inside you there is something which you discover and that insight today know it it nicely sits with what we're talking, but there was an insight which I could discover within me.
00:12:53
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So then later, of course, all the support came. Today I get all, I have mentors, i have coaches, but or when at this later stage it came. Later stage, yeah. I mean, yeah living with this question, who am I, you know, and what's the next ah best version of of me,
00:13:09
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and where you were perhaps living that unconsciously before a more conscious approach you take. Now, you remind me of like one of my favorite quotes from Carl ah Jung, who insights discoveries work is based on some of his psychological types and thought.
00:13:24
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And the quote being, the person who looks inside awakens, the person who looks outside dreams, you know, and when we're looking outside to the world, sometimes we're dreaming about what what we might be.
00:13:34
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But it's definitely sounds to me, Chilla, that your journey of looking inside to awaken and find and explore and discover who you are has been a big, big part of of your journey. And then so when were you first introduced to Insights Discovery Framework?
Insights Discovery and Its Impact on Coaching
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Probably about seven, eight years back. I don't recall the exact year. i think 2016, if I'm right. ah I got an opportunity in my previous company to be, I was already part of lot of coaching sessions and I was demonstrating certain or behaviors towards coaching. And there was an opportunity which came on my way.
00:14:08
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it was a big commitment to go and get the license. I was all enthusiastic about it, but I must tell you during that week was absolutely, it's like Murphy's law, right? When you go out but without umbrellas, when it'll rain.
00:14:23
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Similarly, when I went to for this program is when so many things were happening and I was pulling out of the sessions to concentrate on a few things, but I said, I'm going to commit for this. And then oh a few few ah minutes i or few hours i missed i came and caught up with this coach to make sure i'm not missing anything because i was very serious about learning this because curiosity drives me and i loved the concept then i came back and made sure i complete this and then i've been practicing it for 2016 to until date even my the previous last session was last friday last week only i did two sessions for some of the leadership team
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And this always sits on my table and then I just keep shifting and reminds me what energy flow, which I can control. And I'll tell you, there are a lot of things we can do in terms of controlling your energy because all four colors one can demonstrate.
00:15:16
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It's up to you on how do you want to remind yourself dial up, dial down. So, yeah. And the intentionality of that. I love that. So as as a practitioner of learning and somebody who's devoted to inclusion,
00:15:30
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I mean, I guess discovery is one of a few methodologies that you would you would work with in your your day-to-day? Yeah, discovery is something which I use it. And there are like Strength Finder is something which I've practiced it.
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And in fact, I use Strength Finder very nicely sits at the... ah Because we have done lot of Strength Finder work and even in my previous company. But sure I've used...
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So insights beautifully comes on, builds from there. ah So it's a discovery leads to deeper insights and that helps you to develop your future. And your future can be depending on knowing you more than what you already know.
00:16:11
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So that's where insights certainly helps me. Got it. So you're using it alongside and and breathing life and connecting into other systems and frameworks, which sounds interesting. Sounds very sensible. and And so in your journey as a ah practitioner of insights discovery, what are some of the hurdles that you faced professionally and how did you get over them?
00:16:32
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I would say go back to how I was evolving in and identifying myself. So I didn't know what was it, but I know I wanted to get there and there was always and happiness in growing.
00:16:49
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But the minute you started comparing with others and then it makes you feel it could have been better. And constantly I push myself to not to compare because there is no reference point for well any of the things which we consider success.
00:17:05
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Because there is always somebody have done it more than you, ah whether it is financial or spiritual or any of the family to any extent and even the career.
00:17:16
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So then where is the end point? If you all know that's the reference, if you reach this, it's a success, then we all can chase towards that. But each one has their own success. It's measured in a different manner. yeah Then I said, happiness is my success.
00:17:29
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Then I started working on happiness quotient. And what gives you happiness, you can focus towards that. And then for someone career, someone family, for someone combination of these two, for some people financial, then I started working around that to see how I could get my happiness quotient, stress-free, ah be happy,
00:17:50
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and then find ah joy in what you do and then go back to sleep, have a good sleep, get up in the morning, look forward to the next day. While life might throw a lot of challenges, but still you get up in the morning and say, bring it on, I'm all ready because I know how to deal with myself.
00:18:06
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And that ah evolving stage, and it did not come from the beginning, but when I reached that stage and when I understood the insights, it allowed me to go a little more deeper. And then I did, two things happened. One,
00:18:19
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I started validating myself. Wow, this is why I was like that. Probably because this is my personality and this is the kind of energy I've been leveraging. And then that is for the past.
00:18:31
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It just only to make your belief stronger that the psychology tool research says that this is what you are. And the report was 99.9% right. Actually, I should say 100% right because I couldn't put any question marks to say, do have any doubts?
00:18:48
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and That's the case with all the people I do. Not even one person I've seen so far in my practitioner role, anyone came and said, i'm less than 96%. The least I've seen is 96%. The report is phenomenal. It's so customized.
00:19:00
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It tells who you are. When I saw the report in 2016, then it become more confidence came in saying that, well, I'm in the right track. Then all the more I went back to my NBVs.
00:19:11
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So from then until now, I look at myself as ah competitor for me. I look at myself as ah the happiness happiness reference.
Promoting Inclusion Through Color Energies
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And I look at myself as ah where I want to go to the next level and not comparing ah because it's only take the happiness out.
00:19:29
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So ah in short, the the the energies only help me to understand how to leverage each of that and also to know in ah in a less conscious mode, where will you be in a conscious mode where you want to be.
00:19:44
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and and what kind of a perception you might leave it with others. So that's where I revolve around in my leadership. Brilliant. So you are you're not just a practitioner, you're definitely a learner and yeah through this journey. And I love ah love your approach, which is the uniqueness of where I have came from and my whole life experience shapes the uniqueness of who I am in this and this situation.
00:20:07
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And Color Energy has just been one one framework for for Lens for for doing that. You mentioned your role as i'm looking at, forget forgive me, is it culture, values and inclusion?
00:20:18
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and And I'm i'm curious, Chila, if you look at inclusion or indeed cultural values through the lens of the four color energies. And is that is that something that you do within your organization and within your role?
00:20:30
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Absolutely. I'm going to take two seconds to pick my yellow. It fell down. The yellow and has fallen out of the conversation. For those that are just listening in, Sheila is holding the blocks constantly and constantly changing energy, may I say. Yeah, yeah. I'm just, you know, it's very powerful. and know It all depends on your mindset and how to use it. I recommend it. love it. I love it.
00:20:54
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ah you You can keep this and then, you know, I would just probably slip the slip down, but I don't want lose that down. You know why? It's a good reminder. And if you start believing this is a good friend for you, right? Because i've I've been using it for seven years.
00:21:09
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And sometimes when even a conversation, I arrange the order and I consciously tell myself, and this is the energy I'm going dial up. Because otherwise, as a natural dominant red, this will come into play, right?
00:21:24
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I need to push this down and then it works on your mind. It works on your belief. And that's why, you know, for a few seconds it was on the floor. I said, no, I want to pick this back and put it here. Lose that sunshine in our conversation. And ah this is what even I tell...
00:21:40
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people and we're looking on inclusion. What's inclusion? and Inclusion can be defined in many different ways. But if I'm feeling valued, whether in organization, society or a country, ah independent of my race, religion, culture and everything, keep every diversity outside.
00:21:57
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If I feel valued and that's when I feel the sense of belongingness, when I get a sense of belongingness, inclusion is at the highest level. But what will bring a sense of belongingness? It cannot come by force.
00:22:09
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And I should see, feel. There's a framework which I talk about called icy I see, feel, i do. I see and because of what I saw, I feel. My feeling depends on what I see, right? Whether it is in a society, an organization, in the country.
00:22:26
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And when I feel, I could feel good or bad depending on what I saw or what I experience. Now, what happens generally after I see, I feel people crib, criticize, comment.
00:22:39
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But I'm saying if there is an opportunity to comment, comment. and If there is a good thing, compliment. right So it all goes in C, right? crib Criticize or comment. Rather, you can push that away.
00:22:53
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Take the other two Cs, correct it if it is not correct. Compliment it if it is good. You need to appreciate something is good. If you take that part, which I call it as do part, There is a tremendous ah change or a transformation we bring into country, society, nation, wherever we want to.
00:23:11
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So now, how do we do that? For which I need to come with the mindset of being inclusive. It means I have to embrace the diversity. And it's easy to embrace the diversity, but consistency in embracing is difficult. Now, one day I can come and be nice, but then again, I go back to my red and then it puts me into different zone.
00:23:31
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So if I need to be inclusive, I need to know how to move around with this energy. One energy cannot make you inclusive, right? Because you're dealing with different people, with different types of people, with different color energies.
00:23:44
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And hence, I mix my energy and ah depending on the person that is called mutual respect. Right. If I know a person comes with Mark, for example, if you're ah high on blue and if I'm i' am high on red and it's going to be ah conversation, it's not going to be fruitful because I wanted to get things done and go fast.
00:24:07
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Whereas you want ah your details before you make a decision. But I want a decision before details. Now, what is important? Both are important. right So how do I know how to deal with blue-color energy person? means if I'm red, i will probably go and and accept you as the person you are and then give you the right information so that I get the decision faster.
00:24:32
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right and So yeah like that's nothing but inclusion. We think it's ways of working. Yes, ways of working, it's inclusion. So because of this inclusion, you like to talk to me, I like to talk to you.
00:24:43
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And we know our strengths on where, what we will look for. And imagine the power of this in an organization where the all this decision-making leaders, if not the whole organization, at least at the top, everybody accepts the other person and values the person what he or she brings to the table or the person brings to the table.
00:25:03
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And then um the the business outcome. It will be faster, better, quicker, and then you won't make mistakes in your decision because there is lot of blue has gone into ah to get the right details. so And there is a speed which is not compromised.
00:25:19
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And there is lot of visionizing which happens through yellow. And then you also have been caring for what decision you take. Yeah, so color energies plays a huge role for individuals, leaders, as well as the company.
00:25:34
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Love it And the examples are excellent around the interaction being inclusive and in the nature of the different color energy strengths that two individuals might bring or a team might bring.
00:25:45
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I'm also curious to the parts when you talk about I will constantly change my color order. I will constantly challenge myself to bring different color energies, dial some down, dial some up.
00:25:56
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I mean, i guess i guess one um one thought there would be that is you being inclusive of your own color preferences and your own the own different parts of your soul, your spirit, your essence, your personality, your behavior that you're bringing, you're bringing to the fore. That sounds like something that you do intentionally.
00:26:14
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Yeah. See, there are two roles I play. One is me as a person and my own preference of color energies. Second, I'm also coach. So I felt ah it's my personal experience and I'm not sure how it works for others.
00:26:27
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I needed to learn to shift color energies. And it's not easy because your dominant color energy always will come and dominate you. But but as ah as a practitioner, I felt the need for that.
00:26:39
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But otherwise, if I keep my practitioner role out and then if it as an individual, ah the best inclusion is you accept a person as who the person is, not expect the person to shift the color energy. and For example, if I go to a high red color energy demonstrating leader and I don't expect the person to be ah using the opposite color, right? The green is something that I don't expect, but then i accept the person as who the person is because that's inclusion, right? I'm not expecting the person to shift color energies, but I expect the person to...
00:27:13
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you demonstrate the dominant color energies in in a good day. And I know what a bad day looks like because I accept the person on a bad day as well because I know the red color energy is creating or the blue color energy is the reason why the person is behaving in certain manner.
00:27:29
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And I just take it as a bad day, not a bad person. So there's huge difference between... You know, defining the person based on the color energy ah demonstrated on that particular day. Maybe it's one of the good days and one of the bad days, but the accept on the person is still there.
00:27:43
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You blame it on the day, not the person. I love that. So it's a bad day, not the bad person. Blame it on the day, not the person. Phenomenal piece of insight. I mean, I guess since 2016, you mentioned you've you've had the discovery framework to support your your your journey.
00:28:00
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Has there been a moment that was like felt defining, right? This was a moment of aha or significant breakthrough where something happened and you just thought, that has moved me up a few NBVs.
00:28:12
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I started mine, the first time when I did, it was yellow on top and red at the number two and blue number three and green number four. Right. So this is how it was.
00:28:24
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And a few years later, when I did my red went on top. The reason is my role changed. And ah it's completely different role.
00:28:36
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My aha moment was when I was in a global role, I had to influence many different country leaders to get things done, but they were not reporting to me. ah They were not in my my structure.
00:28:49
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But there I needed to kind of excite them with opportunities of why we do and what we do. It's more the how part and then using the sunshine yellow and get them to ah support the organization through what decision they could make.
00:29:04
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And i was high on yellow and it helped me. And when I came into ah another role, which was ah and not a global role where I had my own ah structure, i had my team and I had my own targets and deliverables, then my red came on top, right?
00:29:23
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And I know color energies for many people it remain same. I have great examples of people for 10 years, three times they've done and remain same. But for me, ah this changed. I've also seen people for who not drastic change, not the opposite color, but sometimes you see this shift happens. yeah So for me, just marginal shift that is red came on top. It was also a conscious effort from my side because I'm chasing targets versus ah chasing people, influencing them. And that was an aha moment. Then when I did the second time and I said red came, I said, wow, that's that's pretty accurate accurate because this is where I'm dialing up. This is how why I wanted to be seen. This is where I'm completely changing myself into.
00:30:04
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And it showed up in the result. So then I was very happy to see. And the third one, I've not taken yet and I'm due to take now. But I want to see how is it going. But I hope that it remains the same because I've not changed my personality.
00:30:19
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But the only I'm curious is because since I'm shifting and because of my practitioner role and I'm i'm trying, I'm experimenting myself on how much that's where I'm using this. You see, constantly I'm using this. I'm i'm holding this.
00:30:32
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Many conversations, I hold this and talk here. And sometimes it's so powerful, right? If you understand color energies and I set the context at the beginning, and say, Mark, I'm going to use sunshine today.
00:30:45
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And this is how the order you can see me. And don't hesitate to interrupt me. But if you don't see this coming out, you know, I get a partner who's an accountable partner sitting opposite to me, having the conversation and also helping me. Hey, your green is reducing.
00:30:59
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And I say, okay, let me put the green on top. Let me reduce it. yeah let's come I've created so many accountability partners with me who come and sit with me and i have this conversation. So the more people understand this, that's why I want to coach many people.
00:31:13
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It's the conversation. i can walk with this in the corridor and say, can shift and say, hey I'm going to show this because it not naturally comes to me. Let me accept. Let me be inclusive to myself. and Green doesn't come naturally.
00:31:24
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Then the minute I put it, then my conversation still changes to say, hey, how are you doing? And what is what was the new thing you did in the weekend? right and then i get to the conversation otherwise when i see somebody hey i've sent you the mail uh will you reply and then i just walk away so this is coming and disturbing me then i feel i could have asked one more word i know he was not well and so because i'm running rushing for meeting but the minute you put the green on top and hold it and walk i'll tell you somewhere you get that extra time extra few seconds to ask that extra question
00:31:57
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Yeah, sure. And hold the space, and and not only for the other person, but for yourself in that conversation. i mean, the including of the different color energies at an individual level, introspectively, is really about appreciating that part. So for me, my journey might be, i appreciate that part of me that is cool blue. and And how do I love and nurture that in the right way, as opposed to just abandon that, you know, and or or whatever it might be. And for our practitioners out there might be reflecting on,
00:32:26
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on that themselves and indeed somewhat some of the and learners of Insights Discovery. and Talking of our practitioners, of which we there are many around around the globe, but if you had a wish for our practitioners to become the next best version of themselves, what would be one wish that you have for some of the practitioners of Insights Discovery?
The Art of Storytelling and Continuous Learning
00:32:47
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Tough question. I know how I'm using it for myself, but I've had to look at a general ah thought for the practitioners. yeah Good storytelling is important whilst ah discovery insights have given enough materials.
00:33:02
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right And ah so I can go and use the slides. Brilliant materials. People love it, right? I used to even have those stress ball kind of a thing. And but yeah most bad days we were using mouses, but it's all vanished.
00:33:17
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I've used all the materials and it's so colorful. When I go with the mat, I don't do any session without mat. And even if i and the session leads to the mat and the wheel position, That's fine. The bat is so so so beautiful. It creates an ambience for the whole thing, right?
00:33:32
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And there's journals and materials, including I've got that name ah label, which you put it on the... I've got some of it still with me, so I use that. The interesting thing is...
00:33:45
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It's not about ah using the materials and and just facilitating the way slides are, the way the ah it has to be done. I agree and that a lot of facilitator notes, which helps facilitators.
00:33:59
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But the minute you convert into a personal story or the heard story or the experienced stories, and what kind of an experience you've seen others. And the proof is in the pudding, right?
00:34:10
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yeah ah but People will believe and practice only when they see if they can resonate with you, right? And that's one thought I have for practitioners. Second, also about, it's not ah completion of ah session and then walk away. That is operation successful and patient dead scenario.
00:34:29
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Meaning, I've done my session, but But then I don't know what's the impact, but I'm very particular about impact driven sessions because it's a continuous journey. It's not one day I do. I'm not a consultant doing it for ah one place and just walk away, get my fee and walk away.
00:34:46
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But it's insight has to be journey. And even if I'm a freelancer to any companies, I would make sure that there is a regular conversation around what's happening and how is it shaping. And it's a case study. Every every session is a case study if they start practicing. Right.
00:35:01
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So that's my second point. And third is about ah bringing the stories back to you, like ah by by getting the commitment from the people who have the audience saying that I'm very eager to listen to your stories, bring the stories back.
00:35:16
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And whenever you have story, write me, tell me, I'll be happy to understand from you. Those stories, even if it's a failure story, it's good to know practitioners why it's not working.
00:35:27
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Because for me, a couple of people came and it's not working for me. Then ah we had the conversation, we had a coffee chat and of course I carried this and then I asked the person to carry that, we tried. i Then I proved a point that this works in a conversation like this. You're explaining a problem, I'm listening to a problem.
00:35:44
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And when I'm listening, I'm shifting my green. Did you notice that? The person said no. Now I can't just, I must not fiddling around this. I put my green on top because that's my least energy. So I want to listen to you right because you're coming with the problem. So I was listening and then I shifted to blue. Did you notice the person that I know I didn't notice, but I kept blue on top because I want to be curious to know what exactly is not allowing you, what's not enabling.
00:36:09
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But eventually then we came to a conclusion that ah this can be used in a conversation. Nobody stops. the The bigger problem was there's no environment for the person to practice. But I said, you create an environment. I see, i feel, I do.
00:36:23
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Right? Okay. Things are not good. Correct it. How do you correct it? First, self-practice. Can you use your an energy? Can you see the flow? Are you able to dial up, dial down if it's required? Even if not, are you seeing the red in you? If you're red, if you're green, are you seeing the green in you?
00:36:39
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How often you see in a day? So observe it for you. Make a journal for yourself. Keep writing. How often you use screen? Once you see, then at least one side is taken care, then comes the others, right?
00:36:52
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Others, of course, we can create an an inclusive environment, which is part of my role as well. But are you able to do it for you? Exhaust your discovery about yourself and then see what else, what support you need from the organization or from the society or from the nation.
00:37:08
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right So that's something which I was able to coach someone and it worked. So those are some of the things to suggestions for practitioners to see how ah we can solve problem through this or allow them to reflect and then catch their stories and then probably share it with others.
00:37:30
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Love it. Great wishes and hopes and suggestions for our practitioners out there and then and super role modeling, if i i may not if if it's okay for me to say, about how you are practicing to be a practitioner each day.
00:37:44
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Now, ah can't let you go without asking you and about your MBV, the next best version of you. And seeing as you started the conversation talking about, you're going to be bringing your sunshine, yellow energy,
00:37:56
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Maybe I'll flavor the question that way, if that's okay. And so what is it that you are inspired about, which is the next best version of yourself, Chala?
A Book on NBV: Celebrating Extraordinary Achievements
00:38:07
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Great. ah I'm writing a book on next best version.
00:38:10
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I'm converting my TEDx talk into a book and um I'm focusing on ah gender specifically. So I'm reaching on to the women leaders. Share the focuses on a common person become ordinary person become an extraordinary.
00:38:25
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I'm not looking at some of the top leaders who who have been already have the visibility and we get inspired by them. I'm going to the common person, ah like someone came with a very poor background who made it to a certain level. And there again, the success defined by that person error herself.
00:38:41
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not by the world because world says sex is i don't know i'm still figuring out what does sex is sexist means right it differs from person if someone feels i'm successful from where i came from to where i've reached and i've gone multiple layers i want to capture the story a diversity a woman or a single mother who has grown their kids and got them graduation and for me for me that's sexist and she feels sexist i want to capture that story some vegetable vendor on a street who has reached a reasonable living and they are self-content, self-happy.
00:39:10
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I want to capture the story. So I want to go to this people who have made it big and their own stories of sexes. And so that's something which becoming an author, that's one in ah in a short.
00:39:21
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Then also I wanted to work and capture stories of LGBTQ, especially in the countries where it's allowed, which is legal. And I wanted to see how I can get their stories and see how what is the next best version of theirs and then ah bring it to the world or PWD people with disabilities or different abilities.
00:39:41
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So those are some of the areas where my next best version goes. And then lastly, I wanted to ah bring every organization to work ah see if they can get a culture values and belongingness as one of the dedicated function ah because many companies focus on that but I feel strong need for that has to be the integral part as well as a dedicated governance around that so if I'm able to influence because I've started that function but I want to see if other companies can pick it up and then it'll be a great outcome
00:40:15
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And in all of this, um I'm using insights, whether I'm coaching pride community or ah women or ah any gender for that matter, or even culture values. I purpose this.
00:40:28
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In fact, my culture ah agenda, ah culture values belong in agenda. ah This particular initiative sits because I'm repurposing this for culture and leadership. Fantastic. Well, look forward to seeing how this NBV emerges for you.
00:40:45
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ah Certainly an inclusive human, Sheila. It's been a pleasure to and have a conversation with you today, hear your story and hear about your impact. Anything else you would like to say before we close?
00:40:57
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Now, I promise that I'm going to use my green at number two. So I wanted to thank you for your courteous and kind questions. And you've been listening to me. I saw your green up when you were listening. and And one could be boring with their personal stories, but you showed a lot of enthusiasm that made me to share more and the sharing stops when you see the body language of other person but you showed a lot of ah involve me that's exactly what earth greenness talks right so it says show me you care involve me that's exactly I saw in a lot of curious questions you also used your blue energy thank you for that and I enjoyed the conversation good I think between us we covered a few bases which is pretty good so we included a lot of Claranges thank you Tachila for joining us today my pleasure
00:41:47
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Well, that was a truly fantastic story we shared together today. i love the fact that our community of practitioners makes such a huge difference across the globe. That's all for today, folks. Thank you for listening to our Voices with Insights podcast.
00:42:00
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