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C2 Ep. 206 Eberron Reviewed 36
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We take a look back on the past arc and answer your questions.
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Introduction to Eberron Renewed and Campaign Review
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Right.
Meet the Hosts and Set the Stage
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Smillows nerf and ghost. Did I do it? Yep. Hello everyone. And welcome to Eberron renewed an actual play tabletop RPG podcast where we play one actually, but not today. Today we are going over the entire campaign of Eberron renewed campaign two in our grand review. Let's get this out of the way. I'm Jeff. I'm Phillip. I'm Trevor. I'm Randy. And I'm Eric. We're doing all right. And here we are. This is all right. we So we need to recap. Right. Episode one. Yep. That's a boy. Oh, boy. I couldn't even tell you. You're on it. You're on a skiff going to steal the manifest. from If I were tasked with recapping as much of the things from this campaign as I can remember, I don't think I would crack 50 percent. I can't imagine that I would.
00:01:40
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But no, we're we're really not even going to do a a bunch of recapping in the way that we typically do. I would do one for each of us that played a character. Trevor's going to tinkle. I do one for all of us that played a character. its Go ahead. There's stones. We can't edit this one, Trevor. I'm I will try to to keep my tinkling noises to a minimum. We are going to go over the decisions we made to end the campaign for each of our characters and how we hoped it would end and how we did. but So we will kind of recap in that way, but it's not going to be a recap of the last few episodes.
Campaign Conclusion and Character Decisions
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If you are watching us live on Twitch, please feel free to ask questions in the chat. I cannot say for certain that we will notice or get to all of them, but we will certainly try. We will give priority to our discord questions that have been asked, uh, previously. So.
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But if you are in the chat, welcome. Excited that you're here and hope you have a good time listening to us. Try to justify our choices. Okay. Let's do this before anything else. I want to ask how blindsided were each of you, including you, Eric, when Eric said, well, I guess that's the end of the campaign. So let's think about our epilogues for the next time we get together. I was, I was taken aback personally. I actually wasn't very surprised at like we had, I, I was surprised at how successful we were just right off the bat that we were able to just roll in there and win. But once we had done it, I couldn't think of what else needed to happen other than epilogue. So I did made.
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made sense, even if it was not as bombastic as we might've expected. Right. It didn't surprise me. It surprised me like Phillip said, like, wow, it was just, we just went in and did the thing and that, that was it. Where else do we go? and We really held out to be good at something until the very end. We. No, yeah I agree. It was like, well, that we we sure did accomplish that objective. I think my surprise was, yes, how easily. I'm not surprised Eric didn't make us fight because Eric's going to honor the decisions and planning that we do, but I'm also surprised Eric didn't make us fight because it was like the end of the campaign. I kept trying, but he did you know you did. And Philip was simply not interested.
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those three rando guards and there are other things going on in sharn some big things but what we were about yeah i mean in the same way that a comic book can continue on ad infinitum because there's always going to be crime in the city we certainly could have kept going that's Yeah, yeah. And I think for me, it, yeah, I kind of had the sense once you all really focused in on the errands stuff, it wasn't a sense of like, they're ready for the campaign to be done, but they are ready to focus up on
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the thing, like dealing with the clan, getting Erin back, getting her into a seat of power. And for me, that's always that that very much became what the campaign was going to be about is you all either trying to fix or extricate yourselves from the Boromar clan. and And that seemed like the most satisfying way to get to that state. ah the The biggest thing that you all did that fundamentally changed the way I thought the campaign would end relates to VEGO. Like I thought
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like the fact that you all got Viggo out of the equation when you did, Viggo was meant to be the big bad that you all had to contend with at the end of the campaign. Like he was meant to be the one that took over the clan, turned it into something terrible, was trying to kill you. And when that didn't happen, it was like, okay, what's the next logical thing? So yeah, but that was the only big difference and why I didn't really push for a fight because there was no, there wasn't going to be any kind of joy in killing Alira the way there would have been with Vigo. So, yeah. No, for sure. Yes. There was just so much joy. and It was one of those things like what is the greater or what's what's more sadistic killing someone or ruining their life? You know, and I think Eris was probably happier knowing that Vigo was going to suffer instead of die.
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Yeah. Yeah. Because Eris, we don't really ever address it in the four years we did this campaign. She's a problem. Yeah. I mean, we all are, but that's why we never address it. It's because he without a sin and such. Right. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Eris is, Eris is an anarchist and a hypocrite problem like just in, in everything. Eris has extremely strict standards that are absurdly in inconsistent. in how they're applied to different people. And yeah. Yeah, like the fact that... Sorry, just got an Amber Alert. Considerably farther away than I would be able to assist with. I'm on my way. Yeah, the the elasticity of Eris's morals are just clear in the fact that she never got mad at Hobb, who did every... We were criminals doing criminal things. At some point during this campaign, Hobb did every single thing Eris doesn't like.
00:06:57
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Yep. He's also not complaining about the past from his friends. That's true. OK, let's just kick around. Let's just kick around and do ah just a minor recap of what each of our characters ultimate decisions were. We can start with the two that stayed here and then go with the two that decide to leave, I think maybe might be the way to do it. So if you'd like to start, Philip. Sure. Eris's final decision was to stay in Highwall. It was really that was pretty obvious to me from I'm not sure exactly when after discovering Highwall, but after discovering Highwall, I knew that that was going to be important to Eris. It didn't make sense for her to do anything else. and i also Quite a while after, knowing I wanted Eris to have something to do with Highwall, I also realized Eris really wants out of the clan.
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So it it just made sense that everything Eris has, she would put into saving Highwall and ensuring its wellbeing to whatever extent she's capable of. Um, and that's, that's what Eris's, the rest of Eris's life would be about, would be making cool things, customizing skiffs and ensuring that that Highwall would be okay. Um, you know, Until she becomes the protagonist in that action movie where you take an aging action star and force them to yeah come out of their quiet life to to stop some hoodlums. She goes and throws a tarp off of a dusty dusty trunk, opens it up, and just everything warms the life. Igric. I think one of those telescoping ladders. I think that action movie ends with Eris as a supervillain.
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it might. Because I think it's more likely that like haggard old Eris walks in opens opens a garage door and like just the eyes on a dozen egrix light up. yeah Hobb chose to stay. We didn't get into much of Hobbs backstory, generally, but especially pre which it was never going to be pre monastery was never really gonna be a part of this campaign. It didn't, except for that it was tribal, it was clan model. And he left that and was, or not left that, that left him. And he didn't find it at the monastery and he didn't find it in the clan. I think he found it with the smaller group. And so when Eris decided to stay, he was gonna stay too. And thought of a legit thing that he could do that he's not gonna pretend he didn't like like money. He doesn't need it, but he doesn't hate it. It's easier when you have it, that's for sure. And he knows that. So he yeah he got him made himself a little job. And I think that was his whole thing was
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If Eris stays, I'm staying. If everyone, Jeff knew what Randy was gonna do. We talked about it. So it's like, if if Eris stays, he'll stay. If Eris goes, he probably will go his own way and and cut bait and start a new life again and see what happens. But he didn't, or she didn't, so he did. All right, Trevor or Randy, who wants to talk about why you chose to join the Lathouse? Randy? I was waiting for that. Man, I tell you, I struggled. I went back and forth on Milo. You know, does he stay and continue with the clang clan, have keg bottoms, you know, and be with Hob and Eris? And ultimately I decided Milo had been through so much stuff that
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It was he was gonna go we weren't enough for him He's gonna go Seek happiness elsewhere. I guess see how that turned out. So he went to the lighthouse Can't believe you would leave such a supportive friend as Eris. Yeah. it buging to It really bothered him to leave Hobb. How much of it was just just straight up Milo wanted to see a Kylie again? Like for Milo's reason. I think ah from his standpoint and just so many bad things, initially ah he was going to stay.
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And I think i he had even had a conversation with Kylie that kind of might have led her to believe he was going to stay. And then I thought, man, it's just too much. He's just so depressed. The Klan has been just so much grief ever since that fire. He's lost an eye. All these bad things. He wants to go. be with other Kylie and hopefully that's going to work out. And I always thought that even though we didn't necessarily play it out, that I just know Milo had conversations with her in his head. Now, whether she replied and responded back or not, you know, I mean, I don't know. I mean, that could be something maybe Eric could say, yeah, she might've talked to you some here and there, but I know Milo
00:11:44
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definitely talked to her a lot. And it was just that he'd made up his mind. That's it. I got to get out of this place. I got to get out of here. I'm going to go to Kylie and Maggie buying as an offshoot of that. Right. I want, he kind of wants a more normal life in his mind and stay in where we were. That was obviously not going to happen. And it's probably not going to happen with the lighthouse either. Yeah. But yeah but it's a
Unexplored Storylines and NPC Dynamics
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fresh start. Totally fresh. All right. Okay Trevor, and perhaps the most surprising decision made, why is Reinhardt going off planet? I mean, I i don't know that I have ah a wonderfully thought out reason other than it seemed like a lot less trouble than staying where he was at.
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So, seems on brand for Reynard. Yeah. I mean, I don't think there was a whole lot of thought into it other than, well, we wrap this thing up. So bye. Sure. I mean, we have, there's a direct question from Irene asking why you decided to join. You seem so excited about getting reunited with your family and being in their good graces again. So what? Yeah, then I killed my dad. but After you killed your dad. Yeah, yeah after you killed your dad. you I know like you were like after us to be good patrons of your family. yeah You would like put some respect on their name to us about your family. And then there but there was always the looming idea of like, what if they find out? Yeah, what if they find out I did it? So yeah.
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yeah So don't you get a medal in that family for that kind of thing? There's a statute of limitations where they have to act mad inside of that window. And he didn't even tell Milo he was going. It's kind of like, I'm going. So I think Milo might have been a little relieved to at least think, OK, his old drinking buddy is going with him. Pour one out for the homies on the way. Eris is mad at you both. Eris is always mad. Eris is always mad at everything. you're not that's That's less of a, that's not a a thing. Eris is mad at you. Yeah, okay, man. Bird's got a thing. I don't know. Eris has has one way to and one way to interpret big emotions, and it's by getting mad.
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yeah Do any of you want to ask Eric about NPCs that we may or may not have seen? The King of Sharn, man. I really thought there would be a whole segment of the epilogue. Let's just get epilogues. Let's get King of Sharn. Let's get the Ram. Let's get Lucasiara. Let's get Laura Piano. I want King of Sharn moved to Highwall and like... Honestly, when I run in the sewers. When I was going through all the NPCs that I needed to account for, King of Sharn did not even come up in my brain. I went for the King of Sharn, the Ram, and that mind flayer we let loose to have a nice little apartment in Lower Memphis. They've all gone straight, and it's just like the weirdest little sitcom. yeah It's a new sitcom. What's the theme song? Oh, this is weird. This is real weird. It it tickled me how much people love the King of Sharn for a one-off comedy bit in in a singular episode. But I think people just like my cobalt slash goblin voice, and that's like the the whole appeal of that of those characters. My favorite was little goof ball my favorite was the Doc, man.
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the do Oh stone fist yes or stone knuckle pebble fist right no pebble fist how do i remember that how did how am i the one that remembered that more dane no what was his first name that's the university that's maris maris maris maris maris yes he was my favorite Yeah. And mean he took such good care of all of you. So we even got to see the library dork in the epilogue, but nothing from marriage. But OK, legit, did the is the ramp still out there to menace them another day sometime? I guess like that's just oh, the Ram. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Ram is still hunting for Raynard, but probably will eventually going to be bummed out, realize that Raynard, the Raynard ship is sailed.
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And then the RAM will probably just go find some, try to track down some other magic user that is capable of resurrection because that was what. they wanted Reynard for because yeah, the, yeah, the Ram has a whole story thing that I guess I can get into now. I think somebody asked about that in the discord. It may have been Liz asked what's the deal with the Ram, but yeah. So, or Laura asked what was really going on with the Ram. So when the Ram was resurrected, it wasn't the original soul of the Ram that was in that chassis. It was the soul of a Brielish commander.
00:16:06
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who worshipped an overlord and essentially they were the commander of the Westwind Riders who their or her husband and children were killed by members of the monstrous races in western Breland. And so after that happened, they went kind of off the deep end and started becoming very brutal and using brutal tactics that cost them their command. And once they were brought back, they figured that, well, if this person brought me back, they can bring my husband and children back. And so that was the mission and the reason that they wanted to get their hands on the elf. So yeah, they'll continue that quest to try and get their, get their husband and kids back. All right.
00:16:52
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So, and she had the, the, the minions that you all fought the last time you fought the Ram, she was going around and collecting her hold subordinates, the rest of the Westwind riders from the army. Okay. so What, what a rich, interesting story that I crafted. So, I mean, I guess. Okay. Unless any of you have any more you'd like to talk before, I'm thinking some questions will probably also jog conversation. So. That's I guess, unless there's any other NPCs you all want to know epilogue wise outside of the I mean, I would really like to know whether Hobb has a theater career. Who's that up to? It's not an NPC question, but he beefed that audition. Like, I mean, Luca gave him a shot and he he he fumbled that. I really feel like you're allowed to audition again. It's been a while since I've been in theater, but I feel like you you get to audition at future plays, even if you don't do well the first time.
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What happened was Hob beefed his one audition and he thought, okay, I flew too close to the sun. I need to smart smaller. And so he went to back to the, oh God, it's not the shattered mirror. Is it? What was the name of the shattered mirror was like, yeah, it was a dinner theater, the dinner theater place with that shattered. Yeah. Yeah. He went, he went back there to kind of throw his hat in the ring as potentially being a part of the improvisational waitstaff. He was there for 10 minutes and was like, Oh God, no, I forgot. I hate this. I'll be so good at like the, the random like improvised fights all of a sudden.
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Yes. Well, though he got carried away in the imp improv rehearsal and he broke a guy's arm. He knocked out three dudes in one turn. You know, he used the serogability. I mean, I obviously wouldn't like serogability. Knocked up all the patrons. Whoops. And then he ate their food because he was hungry. Sure. Obviously, I would love to know a five years from now update on Kath and Sana, but like that feels like it's not a fair thing to ask. Like we got their epilogues. Yeah. The story ended, you know. Yeah, Kath and Sana, you got a pretty good sense of, I mean, Kath a little bit less so because it really seemed like Kath was on a certain path and then whoops, Raynard shows up and that kind of really caused her to pivot her her mental state post campaign.
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So, yeah, I mean, I think so on her problems. the yeah She only asked you to fix one and you and you said you would. Importantly, that was the one else would I said I'd get someone else to. And did you not yet. So anyway, Kat's not on the best path, but is not in the. the lowest spot that she was, which was really kind of the start of the epilogue. She was very, very low, but kind of came back a little bit. Saf, Saf, Sana is obviously ah in a better place but with hanging out with Hob and Eris and Ulfin in the for sales at the end of the campaign. Some of the NPCs that did not get touched on Verla. Yeah. We had a question about Verla, I think. Okay. Yeah. Kevin asked if Verla works for the King Citadel now.
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Yes, Verla does work for the King Citadel. This was all like Coldor saw a lot of potential in her, saw that she was probably a bit too on the up and up to be an effective member of the Sharn City Watch. And so brought her into the King Citadel um where she can have a bit more agency over the bribes that she takes. Over who she murders. Yeah. So yeah, vrla Verla got promoted, ah went into the King Citadel. Probably actually is a Dark Lantern, but ostensibly is a King's Shield. And there was another one. Oh, Sigil. Fallen continues to get repaired, but Sigil's big thing is eventually they lead a contingency of warforged into the morning, specifically Metrol.
00:20:31
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to try and learn about their creation and where they came from and also why their ghoulra is the mark of making instead of some random symbol like every other warforged. So that sigil thing, trying to think of who else. Verla was the big one that I had to talk Eris into staying in her lane and not begging to go. yeah Yeah. Right. I mean, I guess there is the question of is Aaron actually as okay as she seemed like the Boromar's in headed towards peaceful prosperity away from life with crime or her her, her intentions are what she said they were, whether or not she will actually be able to keep sure all of the moving pieces in line, who's to say, because that's a years in the making kind of death by a thousand cut sort of thing.
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Is Olive elected to the Sharn City Council for high walls? Does Olive run? That's a good question. Honestly, because all Olive's not. I assume. No. ah Well, i you know what? I don't know. Did we ever say? yeah I don't think we i I in my head, Olive was from Sharn. So I think she would be pretty uncomfortable representing high walls if if anybody was reasonable. So yeah. And obviously it's Durgoth, right? He would hate that. Just leave me with my plants. Be the Ron Swanson of the, sha of the sharn city council. But no, high walls continues to go in the positive direction that it was. But at the same time, it's not, I mean, Salman Callaway, his engine is going to continue, even though we kind of saw that he was dipping out of sharn, but you know, weapons manufacturing is going to continue. Artifice is going to continue to grow. And so, yeah, I mean, well, there's nothing wrong with that, but
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ah the king of sharn is out there amassing an army to eventually launch the attack on sharn so yeah but yeah i think that's pretty much all of the big ones and that i can recall so if anybody has any other npc's that they have a pressing need to know then feel free to say so but i think that's goodtis what is that what becomes of grum what is Where does Grum end up in the clan? Oh, gru Grum went with Lady Briar, second in command of the Black Lamps. So we kind of back where back where he was. I'm just one step down. Does Del enjoy working for Hob? Yeah, Del. Yeah, Del, Del. Old Vaganoth and Del. The Hob, the Hob boys at it again. The one, the one throw his weight around. I'm in charge thing. Hob has said is I'm Hob. He's Del. Every time every time you said Del Hob, I was picturing a restaurant.
00:23:10
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yeah ah That's funny. That's funny. Okay. All right. Here's what we're going to do. I'm just going to start asking questions. We'll, we can. Answer them. And if anybody has any memory jog, let's just talk. All right. Yeah. Liz begins with a couple of important ones. Liz wants to know, I feel like this is the first time we've breached this. Has it been the same Bela share in both campaigns? Is there another one in the universe of C2 that's just out there doing their own thing? Or were we just flashing back to the C1 campaign one one? We'll start with you. This is the same Bellaschira. Bellaschira exists in all timelines, so that sucks for everyone. And the... It raises so many questions. You know what? look I'm gonna ask it. I'm gonna... Does this Bellaschira know he's a part of a game ah a D and&D game taking place in Shawnee, Oklahoma? That's what I want to know.
00:23:59
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How meta is this Belashira? My delk here break the fourth wall. That's why he told Melissa Myron when he woke her up that we can't get the people that actually did this to you, but the powers behind them, we can we can make their lives miserable. Belashira, it does often make my life miserable. Belashira is aware of the fact that this is a fiction. i guess like i don't know if i want to get so meta as to him start referencing dice rolls and stuff yeah like don't let belashira text me i think that i think that's fun or clever yeah but knowing that it's a fit yeah is a is a is a fictional construct is kind of fun and yeah and i tried to hint at that the first time you encountered him by him looking at
00:24:43
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campaign won spoilers, I guess. What are you doing here? But when he looked enjoying our content and thank you, but when he looked at Theradak and said, now you, I don't think you're going to be around for much longer because I knew at that point that Randy wanted Theradak to die. So. Right. And the Raven Queen part of the question. Let's continue. Was the Raven Queen also wasn't it was a Raven Queen, a Raven Queen, this campaign into the world. This is it's a bit of campaign three topic key. Like there's a very high level answer, but I kind of want there to be a bit more nuanced to it as the information is presented in campaign three. So punting that one. But it was very clear. I tried to make it very clear in the epilogue that she remembered Beric and his gang.
00:25:31
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And obviously, the petrified version of her in campaign one was no longer there. If I because I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. So make sure you got the old stab. Make of that what you will. I mean, if you want multiverse shenanigans, the decks of campaign two was a different decks of campaign one. We've talked about that like yeah the. But I think the important distinction is that Melissa Myron If this is the campaign two version of her, she still remembers
Character Relationships and Arcs
00:26:03
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Barrick. Yes. So which decks would not have the knowledge. That's yes. Of all decks is right. That makes too too much to hope that Eric would leave Barrick in peace. Never. All right. And then Liz continues with what they labeled the important one.
00:26:20
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Were Kath and Ace together romantically, Eric? No. like i i Sorry, that that that answer may have come across a bit harsh. I genuinely didn't see it or feel it or intend it. Kath carries a lot of guilt. relate like A lot of the stuff that I think was being read as romantic tragedy was was guilt. like Kath was at the lowest point of her life. She was continuing to further descend. And then one of her closest friends die. One of her closest friends murders her, ah one of her other closest friends right in front of her. And so she has strong word. I mean, there was intent, like, but I was being a good Samaritan. So, no, my intention was not for there to be any romantic entanglement between Ace and Kath. So, yeah.
00:27:13
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Well, Laura's mad in the chat. you Yeah. Okay. There you go. Laura continues. Philip said Eris had thoughts on Merix that he refused to share in case they came up and Laura needs to know them, please. Yeah. I had sort of this low key thought that I wanted to not do this in case. I don't know. Eric did something where the prince shows up again or or Merricks is there. Basically, Eris's view of what happened to Kire is, you know, deeply fair and nuanced as Eris. Eris. Yeah. Eris blames the royal family for what happened to her part of Kire.
00:27:54
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when the, when it was overrun by the new nation of Dargun. And so she has a, a very low view of the Royals as, as just absence when the going gets tough. She sees Merrick's and House Kenneth in general or saw Merrick's and House Kenneth in general as kind of the best version of. Chiron's survival of this house that had been always based in Chiron, had a large number of Chiron's in it, was still managing to thrive on, you know, brains and ingenuity. And so, Sigil's story about what House Kenneth was doing, what Merrick's maybe was involved in, that was all very shaking to Eris's view of who the good guys and bad guys were.
00:28:49
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in, in the, in that sort of aspect of the world. So, okay. And Laura asks, did all of an Eris get together in a romantic way? I'll die if they don't. Boy, I'm sorry. sure we We will all die eventually one day. So there is no actual weight to that threat. I mean, the answer is, as far as the story has gone, no, Eris, as we've said, Eris doesn't know what her deal is if she has, you know, what whatever her, her deal is in that area. And we've never even remotely touched on olives. So are they even compatible in that sense is not a stated truth. And let alone Eris being a mature enough person for, for olive.
00:29:35
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I have, like and Philip and I kind of talked about this, like from Olive's perspective, the circumstances under which Olive and Eris met, there was a very clear power dynamic imbalance. Like, Eris was literally nesting in Olive's class. Eris is a stray Olive took in. and And yeah, Olive... tried to like be very kind and and caring and then you know presumably more that Eris shared about her upbringing her life up to that point what has happened to her
00:30:09
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like Olive is a smart enough adult to recognize like this person is not like any level, if, if, big if, if Olive had any interest in that area, Eris's capacity to emotionally and mentally consent is dubious at best. until like there's a lot more like healing and growth and things like that. And Olive's too good of a person to try and leverage that vulnerability and that dependency that Eris would have had on Olive for a really long time. And probably Olive is going to need a lot of very big gestures of independence to feel like they're that dependency isn't still there, like if that makes sense.
00:30:56
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And in what, from what angle does Eris look like a good partner? Like just cheese. Yes, i I'm with you, Laura. It was very cute. There was a lot of really sweet and adorable interactions with Eris and Olive, but there's just no way that Eris is a good partner. Eris is probably barely, if Eris wasn't so brilliant, she'd be a bad business partner. Jodi I 100% agreed broken people deserve love and Eris receives love from Olive.
00:31:33
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Yeah. all Olive loves Eris deeply. Yeah. Like, but to inject romance into that doesn't have to be romantic. Olive has helped glue Eris back together to continue Jody's point. Yes, she absolutely has. That doesn't have to be romantic. In fact, I would argue there's a lot more stability to that healing because it's not romantic. So that's that's my reasons for why as so far as the story has gone. There is no romantic element to Eris and Olive's but relationship. Eris is not ready for that kind of relationship. And probably, I mean, Eris has grown and healed a lot, no not least due to Olive, but
00:32:18
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Probably if Eris got to a place where she discovered that she wanted that, I think it would be a really long time before Eris would be willing to risk that because you go down that path and it goes wrong. What happens to to what Eris has? And Eris' core desire is safety and stability. Yeah, Eris has made it very clear that she's she's really comfortable inside the status quo. Yeah. OK. I'm just going to rattle off. I'm not going to say for a while who asked the question because it was Laura. Episode 19. Eric describes Kath as being much more into unity dinners before Kylie died and slowly she got more cynical about it. Were they very close?
00:33:04
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No, so if I recall correctly and I might be incorrect, I think I was using Kylie's death as a reference for Milo, like before Kylie died when Milo and her would come to these uni dinners together. My intention was much more that, you know, Kath is just getting older and Kath has a lot of really strong feelings about like the wealth disparity in Sharn and the fact that her family can afford to throw these big dinners and stuff. Just she was getting more and more cynical about it. You know, her and. sauna are two children of privilege that decided to start cosplaying as poor which you know makes them dubious in terms of their like moral high ground but yeah so that's kind of where where kath got with the unity dinners and why she became more cynical
00:33:50
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All right, Eric has said all the major NPCs, desires, fears, strength, and flaws are written down. We got Sanas in the last episode, but what were some others? Specifically, they say all of Tasha, Cath, Sigil, and Ulfans. Crap, I gotta to get that card, hold on. All right, he's getting the card. In the meantime, Phillip and I can address the next one. Laura asks, episode 21, at one hour, one minute, and seven seconds, Phillip says. Later we'll tell you a story about me and Jeff and agency over things about our characters that's been going on recently. Legally it's later and you have to tell us what this was unless you don't want to and then legally you don't have to. There is another legal loophole you didn't think about.
00:34:28
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And that is, it was four years ago and could not in the life of us remember. I went back, I listened to the context of the episode. There is a very real chance. So that would have been 45 months ago, which would be right around the start of the school year with COVID happening. So there's a very real chance it was agency there that Phillip and I were commiserating about. It could have been anything. We could have been a one shot. It could have been stupid names.
00:35:02
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Yeah. If we, if if the quote is me and Jeff and agency about things about our characters, that's just hoof. The problem is that the timestamp helps us know when we said it and that's great. But the problem is it's obviously us referencing a conversation that we had off air. And yeah, sorry. The wildest thing is that by episode 21, there's a very real chance we were already talking about our next campaign characters. Yeah. Cause we thought this was going to be a shorter campaign. Even back then we thought we were going to be quick with it. How foolish. But the answer is there's lots of things I feel like I have no agency over in this life and it could have been any one of them, Laura. holler what What's, what's Ulfin's pirate name? It was asked before and the answer was it hasn't been revealed yet.
00:35:46
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So Philip gave me the description of Ophin's flag, which was a black kraken on a red field, is that correct? And so it was the the red leviathan captain. Yeah, it was his pirate title. So for all the blood he he likes, you see, did he braid his his beard into tentacles? Yes. Very like. Yeah. So Crimson Nessie. I have my card if you want to go back to the. Yes, yes, yes. The desire, fear, strength,
Narrative Influences and Character Motivations
00:36:12
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weakness. So I. Just to be clear, I don't have all the major NPCs. I have the crew, which was the players and then Sigil, Cath, and Sana. So that is who I have for this. I don't have anything for Olive or...
00:36:28
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often because they weren't going to be going on jobs. And I wanted to have this as a reference for threats, despairs, triumphs, things like that to play on these various things. So the so just for people that may need the refresher for sauna, the desire is love slash family fears, isolation, strength is idealistic and weakness is enabler. So I think that I I hope I did a good job with all of that. Get it? Then for Kath, her desire is justice. Her fear is humiliation. Her strength is she is courageous and her weaknesses, she is intolerant. So that is her deal. And then for Sigil, there is knowledge is the desire. Fear is nemesis, which that was just much more of like Kenneth and the like
00:37:23
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Oppression of the war forged in the people's desire to control them strength analytical and weakness is timid ah So yeah, that was that was their deal and I think I don't know I think all of those like all three of theirs their stories very much kind of aligned with those Markers to a certain extent. So li I hope so having those by the way at the beginning of the campaign was really really helpful like it was something that I referenced a lot in playing Eris because it all and it really made the the way that the story concluded so great because it was very much you could see the evolution of the character in looking at those and so that was that was a lot of fun I really liked having those yeah more systems should have that
00:38:10
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I also enjoyed as the GM seeing when for the weaknesses, three out of the four players, the weakness was recklessness, recklessness, compulsion. I was like, well, I'm going to be able to dingle a lot of threads out there and just, so anyway. Who did Cold War's eye? He said Aerys will get along with that person in a way that made it seem like there was more to the story. This is episode 133, if you want to have that reference. Yeah, i there I'm sure it is somewhere in one of these notebooks that I consistently like swapped in between, but I did write out if Cold War became more of a job. Like if if the players got pulled into the King Citadel more, there was going to be an artificer that was also a dark lantern that had a very similar personality to Eris of just kind of that.
00:38:57
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You know, let's try it. Let's see what happens if it breaks or whatever. And also don't touch my stuff. Don't ask me questions. So that's what Kohler was referencing. And then it was, I mean, I didn't think the players are going to be like, Hey, yeah, let's start working for the King Citadel. But I had that in my head just in case because this group of players has surprised me before. So. Fair enough. And I clicked the wrong button. Episode 49. Eric said, Faroo. God, that was episode 49. Eric said Faroo had more story he couldn't get to because he died too early. What was it?
00:39:31
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ah So that actually ended up being able to come back around with D'Orla talking to Hob about the Overlord in Sharn and kind of what's going on there and the prophecy. That was a lot of what Faroo was there for to deal with. So fortunately, yeah, we were able to pull that back in. But yeah, that was Faroo's story as he was coming to Sharn to investigate. that an overlord was going stronger and more powerful. And that there was probably a rakshasa somewhere in the city that was empowering people to act in a way that was within accordance with the the overlord. So that got to come back up. All right. Episode 49, Eric's, oh wait, no, sorry. Episode 58. What happened to Basil's parents? Esther said they'd been gone for so long.
00:40:17
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They, they died. They were murdered by probably house. Thrawny. Yeah, I think yeah is what I had. Yeah. They were just. the right air casualties true What did Harbin do to get kicked out of the wrecking mark? I don't, I don't recall saying he got kicked out. He just like transferred back because he was a bad student. Like he didn't get kicked out by the administration. He just wasn't performing well. And so he got pulled out and North was like, fine, if you're not going to be a brilliant, like. political mind, then you're going to go into the family business was kind of the the idea. All right. Harbin was not consulted on either decision. So. Fair enough. Episode 97, Milo failed to check to notice something suspicious in the plans for kick bottoms. Do you remember what that was, Eric? is a i I actually do. I remember this off rip that I remember it. There was no, the, the basis is being, it said Rams hiding place right in the middle. No, the basement was being built with the smugglers hatch, like wait to connect to tunnels so that the claim could use it for smuggling.
00:41:12
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All right. did Do Philip said he'll go more into Tasha, the lower and the great reviewed, please. And thank you, Philip. Yeah. I'm just going to start a timer. You ready? yeah Five minutes. Somebody wind Philip up and let him go. Tasha. No. Yes. So Tasha in Eberron based on Keith Baker's blog. is stories of a human known as Sora Tasha, who is a human sorceress who's taken in by Sora Kell, which is sort of maps onto the character of Tasha in the greater D and&D multiverse lore. So in my head, Eris' mom dabbled in magic, ah was it was was a bit of a witch. Thank you, Liz, I will drink water. And told Eris lots of stories about
00:41:59
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Tasha and the core of the story is that in at least in Eris's mom's telling is that after a while Tasha rejected. Sora Kell's teaching and guidance and rulership. And so she's sort of like the the fourth rogue daughter of Sora Kell out there in the world. And her original given name prior to becoming Sora Tasha was Eris, which is where Eris got the name when she changed her name. Fun facts. And that's why Eris loves everything about Tasha and names all of her
00:42:39
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best creations after stuff related to Tasha. Love it. Eric, what's the deal with Arthur? Since Arthur went with Raynard, I don't there's a chance that they'll show back up. No, I mean, I don't know. Should I say they're a really terrified, polymorphed, sharn watch. I think you I think you have to say I think you have to say no, because if Arthur doesn't show up in seven years when campaign three is over, no one's going to remember to ask now. That's fair. Yeah, he Philip nail it in one. He he was a deep undercover. Sharon City Watch detective that the paperwork got lost and nobody like. Yeah, he he was stuck as a cat and he was desperate to like. Why was he not constantly trying to kill himself?
00:43:24
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Cause he was, he was convinced that like he could find a way to get back to human form, but he couldn't communicate with anybody and nobody was cast and speak with animals. Uh, and so, so yeah, once he like, once he realized that Reynard was going to this like hyper powerful organization that could like jump through time in the multiverse, he's like, they probably have a way to communicate with animals. So let's go, bud. So yeah, but no, you know, ah yeah does he like us while he was stuck as a cat? Like he was like, okay, gave me to this like Boromar, like fixer, like thief person. So I guess I'll just collect information for that when I eventually get brought back.
00:44:07
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And then he realized that that probably wasn't going to happen because you all were running in the right circles to encounter somebody that was capable of doing that. So then he decided to just take the easy job of hanging out at the for sales and so. So yeah, that was kind of the the deal with Arthur. And then I'm sure if over time he probably grew to at least gain a better appreciation for why criminals do what they do. and an understanding that maybe not all of them are bad. And so, you know, he he grew over time, but nobody can ever know.
00:44:39
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yeah How long do you think it would take for you to just lean in and be cat? like I guess I'm just a cat now. yeah okay Not long. Good. Yeah, no, you you're pretty much, you're you're about half cat right now anyway, Trevor. yeah In Sigil's flashback about going to Easton, Esten? Esten. Marix does the thing super fast in one day, and Sigil says it was supposed to be a few days, and then everything blew up. I always wondered, what was that about? It's their creator. that's um I want to stop there. If their creator knew something, what's going on with Sigil being able to do things only people with dragon marks can do. So tell us what you can if this does play. a Yeah, yeah. So I mean, obviously, Sigil is remarkably special because his ghoul is the mark of making.
00:45:27
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which is, you know, a it's supposed to be like a fingerprint. It would be like if your fingerprint was the McDonald's logo. People would be like, that seems weird. And it if you're but like if your fingerprint was the McDonald's logo and you were like ah an executive for McDonald's, it'd be like, that's too weird of a coincidence. The metaphor is lost. Anyway, obviously there's something weird going on with Sigil. The Merrick's comment It was just a remark on Merix's capability. Merix is like one of the greatest artificers in the world. So yeah, something that would have taken normally a couple days, he can knock out in a day. So the sigil was sent away, not for any reason as to avoid the mourning. Like there wasn't any kind of like the people that sent him away, but sigil was special. They were on the verge of starting to figure out why and then the mourning happened.
00:46:16
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So sigil will never know and nobody will ever know unless they and the warforged, they lead into Metro come across a spell shard or something that reveals the true nature of who they were. And that is in so far as I am able and willing to, because campaign three shenanigans might overlap a bit, not with sigil, but with stuff surrounding it from
Creative Processes and Storytelling Techniques
00:46:42
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the chat. What is Trevor gluing? Yes. that' i was I was going to say, well, I keep forgetting. Everyone can see me. I'm just making a costume. So it's just all this net I have to stone and yeah. So don't worry about me. If you have not taken a moment to look at Trevor's handiwork crafts, Queen ship over at his Instagram. Uh, Patty Boomer is it just yeah the, it's at the Patty Boomeray T Y B O U R E Y.
00:47:12
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if I just posted a TikTok. i I made two costumes yesterday and I posted a TikTok about them today. I hope that this live stream will give you the, the wonderings that you need to go and see his work because it is very good. All right. And also another one, another one that was in the chat because they would scroll away. So I want to, Liz wants to know, Hey, Jeff, if it wasn't so far into the campaign and so close to the end, would you have worked with the mysterious character to get retribution for ACE? Likely so. Yes. I mean, we were following all the hooks at some point during this. So yes, almost certainly. It was just, I mean, it was just.
00:47:45
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just straight up bad timing, or wrong timing, or whatever. Like, Hob wasn't about to say, let me put this thing, we've been working on this for several years, but we can hold off to work with a demon. Was not gonna happen, so. But yes. Okay, back to Laura's questions. Episode 27, Philip says there's patches on Eris' coat that he doesn't wanna go into, because they haven't covered the game. but Can you run down Eris' coat for us? I can, so a long time ago, if you search in the Eberom Renewed channel, on our Discord. I posted a diagram of all the patches that from the wonderful piece of Eris artwork that we got very early in the campaign. And I just decided what each of the patches was. So in terms of patches that have any relation to backstory, she had the epaulette buttons of a Kyron lieutenant. She's wearing a jacket that looks like the one her dad wore. There's no logical way that she would have managed to hang on to her dad's jacket considering what happened, but
00:48:45
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yes that's that's her dad's rank likewise there's a patch that's a diving griffin and it's the unit insignia for the fourth calazart fuseliers which is was her dad's unit she has strips of gilded steel that are plates from a dargul lamellar cuirass that's one of the first things she ever made i don't know why i would be quiet nothing literally nothing has changed i i don't know i can move my I have no explanation. It's one of the first things she ever made under the guidance of the dashour. She has a patch with
00:49:21
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Ulfin's pirate insignia, and she has a patch from the Sharn red cloaks, which is like a paramilitary police in Sharn, and that's she she thought it was cool, and so she stole the jacket of a member of the red cloaks and found his communicator in the pocket, and that's why she also has the red cloaks frequency that she used many, many moons ago in causing trouble for a bunch of bigoted rioters. And then the other patches that are described, she thought they looked cool. Like she, she found patches that she thinks are cool. And so she bought them and sewed them under her patch, under her jacket. So yes. So those are the ones that have any story behind them. Yeah. Cool.
00:50:09
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Cool. I'm, I'm back. We're just going to have to keep this, this is the computer I have. So I'm just going to keep logging in on it. Okay. I apologize. Let me pull this cord back up. Okay. Hey, Eric, I wanted to say I've got another question here for Philip, but in the meantime, while he's answering, we have some questions about the algorithm. I thought if you might want to gather names and inspirations and things for a minute while Philip talks, that might not be a bad idea. Very well. Phillip, you said in episode 37, there's another reason Eris is mad that no one is willing to kill Viggo over the hand threat, but that you didn't want to go into it because of backstory stuff. Is there something more that we didn't get from flashbacks later on in the campaign? I don't think so. It has it had mostly to do with Eris obviously was coming out of a a life
00:51:00
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where she was frequently made to feel powerless and so and where people in authority frequently were physically threatening. And so when Viggo goes way, way over the top in his reaction to a very mild example of basic Eris defiance and nobody's up for just straight up murdering him, that that was a problem for Eris, which is why she started taking ranks in Alchemy because she was planning to poison him.
00:51:38
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I actually came really, really close to doing it when we encountered him at the bar. But we got interrupted. Yep. What's the closest heiress went to going full rogue from the party this season? What did it have been that? this There's ah an episode where we're in a bar and both Jason and Viggo were there. We're present in the episode. I can't remember if they were both at the bar with us. But we knew that Jason wasn't Jason. And Eris really, I really considered casting Dispel on Jason and just dismissing his illusion and turning him into his Therani self immediately. And then at in the same episode, I don't know what Eris was particularly ticked about this. I remember, I remember that being an episode where Eris was, was particularly upset about something and I really.
00:52:32
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very strongly considered taking that opportunity because I had already made some poison. I already had the rules for that. ah she had made and She had made an acidic poison vial and I very strongly considered trying to get Eric to let me use skullduggery to slip it into Viggo's drink and murdering him right there. Nice. That was probably the most rogue that Eris ever got close to going. I hadn't thought about this until I just asked you that question. But there was a point where Bob almost walked out of a social encounter ah just because you guys were you guys and around. And like there was a point where I thought, what would happen if one of them turned to ask Bob a question and he had left? Because he was just so perturbed with having to smooth things over. that He was just like, I'm going to the bird. You guys have this one. But it ended up.
00:53:17
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Someone steered it on topic. and I was like well now I can't leave Are you ready Erica? Do you want to jump around a bit until you have a second? No, I can be ready. Okay, then we'll just go in or the next ones are for you, but they're not that yet So what did you have planned for cinder with cinder eventually going to corrupt olive is a cinder eventually going to corrupt olive? No, because but well, the checks, Cinder Cinder was never going to be able to assume direct control over all of the way that doc it happened with Doc Ock because the considerably difficult checks were passed to prevent that from happening. And so I'm not going to then rug pull that away. But Cinder is going to continue to grow more powerful and have stronger
00:54:00
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personality as Olive continues to delve deeper and deeper into this and so there might come a time where you know the harness he's able to control the harness without Olive present like that might eventually but not be able to take over Olive as a person the way Doc Ock was. So now Cinder's pretty to chill. Just hold her hostage in a suit. in a prison yeah yeah Insofar as fire elementals go. But yeah, so that, that was the deal with Cinder is I wanted to kind of play with this idea of, you know, feeding elementals, ah dragon shards, and that being a way to make them grow more powerful and stronger. Cause that idea seemed interesting. So yeah.
00:54:45
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That's fun. I think what was really going on the Ram I think has been answered. Yes. Okay. So the next question is from Laura. Their question is simply, please explain sat cymor and misty felt stop. I think those are the ones they were having trouble with, but I thought yeah if we're going into it, let's go into it. We have 200 X episodes of algorithm of human human instituted algorithm based name changes. Yeah. So, I mean, the, the algorithm, it's, it's basically based around synonyms and simple letter exchanges. Like, so Norse and mill hatch was, you know, Norman Osborn, Norman, nor son, man, son, and then mill hatch Osborn hatch born. Oz is a unit, an abbreviation for a unit of measurement mill is an abbreviation for a unit of measurement. There you go.
00:55:38
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So smart. Thanks. I peeped early because next we have TARDIS Vittiders. Everyone who didn't... I think Solomon Calloway is good. Everyone who didn't get it right now is going, I was giving Eric a lot more credit than I did not realize where we were going with this. So yeah, TARDIS Vittiders. It's Curtis Connors, the lizard from Spider-Man. Kurt, Tart, Curtis, TARDIS. Oh, and then never mind. vital So, so vi so, so is it con nor and neither or either nor either is that I'm so sorry, I cut you up and now I have to know if that's really what it is before you say it out loud. Connors con is a shortened version of Constitution. So the first three letters of vitality and then or either the titers.
00:56:30
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well don groan No, we got like 12 more of these, dude. You can't start groaning now. Hit it. There's not that many, honestly. Herb on Primafit. I need to know this one. Dylan Maxwell. Prime. Who is Mysterio. Dill is an herb. Dylan. Urban. Primafit. Something that is Max. Is Primo. Prime. Well fit. i i I got out of the Twitch because I was afraid that's why my browser kept failing, but God, I wish I was seeing the chat right now for these. tri and alwa is like I'm so far down the road. Adrian Toomes. Axrean is just changing a letter like the D2 and X. I would say it's just a downshift on your on your keyboard. And then Toomes, T-O-O.
00:57:15
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Also, and then M E S M E I like me. I, and I liked the O I S as being kind of a French thing. So I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah. But if you were just going phonetically actually, and also is so amazing. Oh, Harbin, Milhatch, Harry, Harold, Harold, Harbinger, Harbin. Yeah. Okay.
00:57:41
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uh, salmon Callaway Wilson Fisk Callaway is a sports brand. Wilson is sports brand Fisk is fish with one letter changed. Salmon is a fish with one letter changed. So that was how we got salmon Callaway sat cymore. That's, that's the only one I got. I got that one right away. So Matt Murdock sat Matt single letter change. I more doc. And then myrrh is the first syllable of mermaid. What's another version of mermaid? A siren, cymor. So that... Oh.
00:58:19
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Yeah, that's that one I had to do on the spot. Like I was just like, yeah, no, no. yeah I mean, I say that like I didn't have months to come up with her bond prima fit and I knocked it out of the park. Misty fell stop. Foggy Nelson foggy Misty. That one was there. Nelson just changed the F in the first syllable and then Nelson on top fell stop. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I will admit I was trying to find a wrestling move in Nelson and fell stuff. Yep. So that's those. Oh, and Ram was just Rhino. Like that was kind of just the, yeah. But yeah, those are all the names that I can recall that were a product of the algorithm. Everything else was either from a source book or a pre-written adventure or one of the players made up something along those lines. So yeah.
00:59:09
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There we go. i' glad I'm glad we went through them. What was Ash plotting against the protesters that Milo's silence spell thwarted? I was gonna kill him. Yeah, I figured he's gonna violate the war forage we're going to murder a bunch of protesters to further widen the divide between war forage and the rest of the citizens to convince war forage they had to leave the city and go to the morn land. Okay, I think I mean, I think this is probably one for all of us is campaign to going to get an official title like campaign one did shadows of sharn. I was gonna say streets of sharn streets of sharn. That's good. It's almost spider man.
00:59:46
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eon renewed three yes in it's a charness game will x streets of shan It will in retrospect get a title. I'm sure ah We certainly have not workshopped one. Yeah, Randy. You got any thoughts? I like Streets of S.H.A.R.N. That sounds pretty good to me too. Okay. Well, wellll we'll think about it. And if it's Streets of S.H.A.R.N. great, if not, we'll let you know what it is. so The Minthes Four. We'll never know. We'll never know. Wow. S.H.A.R.N. Knights. S.H.A.R.N. Knights is good. Yeah. Yeah.
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Campaign two. like googleoo yeah that's Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We have some more questions. Indeed. What did hob end up naming his crew? I I'll have to think about that one, man. I should have, I will put it in the discord when I think of a good name. I thought for like 30 seconds about trying to come up with an acronym that spelled Chib, but I couldn't think of one. It's going to have to be like in French, like FIFA, because it has to end with Boromar, but that doesn't like De Boromar community heroes in Boromar. Yeah. Competent health and insurance de Boromar. Anyway. Comma Boromar. What's important to Hobb is that it sounds, it sounds, it sounds like it's protective and not like it's predatory. Something, something that would protect you, something that would keep you safe.
01:01:04
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The Umbrella Corporation. No, that's not going to work. All right. Laura proposes the strong boys. I mean, here's the thing. Hobb does not dislike things that are directly to the point and truthful. yeah So it might end up being. But then we can only hire strong boys. And, you know, what if there's some sort of initiative or we're trying to. There are different forms of strength. And different forms of voice. So I guess that's all fine. All right. Jody proposes globs boys. Yeah, I like it. Unbelievable. Okay, this next question means nothing to me. You said Kyriela, Kyriela, Kyriela.
01:01:36
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the The person that jumped onto the Sky Skiff and commandeered it to chase a criminal early on in the campaign. Oh my
Character Motivations and Future Paths
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gosh. Yes. I do remember this now. Had something that seemed like a dragon mark, but was definitely not a dragon mark. It was an aberrant mark, right? Is it an aberrant? Yeah, it was an aberrant mark. Yeah. So yeah, I was trying to convey was it wasn't like a true dragon mark, but it was an aberrant mark. But that's all I was trying to convey with that. so We like gave a ride to a Tarkanian assassin. Yep. Neat. What was the actual game? Irene, we've moved from Laura ah for now. Briefly. They have more. What was the actual game plan between Sana and the dads to quote unquote deal with Kath? Did their mom have a say in the craziness?
01:02:18
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Okay. ah Very importantly, it was not both of them. It was just Drawther that was, which is Kath's dad and Sana to try and contend with the dark path that Kath was going down. Malen had nothing to do with it. But Drawther was, is the artificer, right? So he crafted the equipment that Kath was using. Yeah. So, so yeah, basically what I was trying to convey was Drawther had helped Kath kind of get, so like once Kath had the gloves from Eris. It was like, okay, I need a suit. I need some other you you know gadgets and things like that. And so Drawther helped his daughter become a vigilante because you know trying to avenge his son's death is something that Drawther would also probably have a lapse of good judgment in trying to ah execute this idea. And then it hit a point where he realized that Kath had gone down gone too far and Sana was also realizing. And so they had talked and
01:03:13
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basically your author had replicated all of the work he had done for Kath with a helpfully distinct color palette swap ah so that Sana could basically try to contend with Kath because they both know each other so well that they could. Sana could potentially stop Kath without hurting Kath. at least physically. So that was the plan. And as we all know, it went super well. And everyone's fine with them. They're all very good and happy and and together. I've never had dice rolls cause so much emotional damage. Is that like? Yeah. yeah Okay. A few more from Laura and then we will move into a different tier of questioning. What do you think the vore of this world is? And then they say they think he likes banana bread instead of toast. I don't know how to tell you this, Laura, but the vore in this world died.
01:04:01
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It was a terrible accident. They got run over by a carriage and they were a toddler. Canon. For lore. Some say it was on purpose though, if you want to run with that. All right, fine. What's the vore? I mean, same dude, right? This vore was not touched enough by things that were different. No, he's just an aide to a member of Brielish parliament. What if all vores in all universes are the same? the the That's the one. you're giving You're giving him too much importance. No, but that's, he is a totem of sameness. Every vore is the most boring person in the universe that there is. That'd be kind of amazing, actually.
01:04:33
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And what's Drakir up to in this universe? Not playing the loot, I assume. I feel like Eric and I had a hilarious conversation where we proposed that here is a canon event and that all versions of Drakir are the same kind of sociopathic murderer that we met in campaign one. Yeah. Arguably campaign one might be the. The tamest. Yeah. Yeah. The tamest Drakir due to the influence of others. Yeah. We do. I mean, a Drakir is mentioned in this campaign during the Lighthouse arc. Like Dex, Dex straight up says the drought f'd us. So. Yeah. Apparently some version of Drakir joined the Lighthouse consortium and I find it extremely delightful that that version of Drakir absolutely stole a bunch of their gear and betrayed them.
01:05:26
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Yep consortium and as now as now timelines timeline hopping stealing artifacts I didn't even I didn't read it. I did not read it as The one version of Dracure joined the consortium I read it as the consortium knows of Dracure and occasionally tries to recruit him for help and this time he stole stuff from them no that that would be plausible too It's just like the awareness of a Dracure means that occasionally we got to seek this guy out in whatever universe we're at and ask for help because he is I couldn't think of that word earlier, so I kept thinking Emporium. The Lighthouse Emporium. That's Emporium. We got your lighthouses. That's where you buy your lighthouses and lighthouse accessories. I was like, that can't be right. That's not what I joined. but Just selling lighthouses. They're going to be a salesman. Come on down to Lighthouse Emporium. We got it there's a lot of glass. We but got houses. We got lights. Light bulbs. Really, really big light bulbs. Slap the side of a lighthouse. This baby can save a dozen ships anyway. could put a whole lot of lonely alienated fellas in this bad boy. Whatever universe he's in, though, importantly, Drakir is the antagonist to whatever story is happening. Like, it' like because, lest we forget, his alignment is evil. That's true. All right. Let's move on. I didn't mention earlier the most of the questions, the few that have been in the Twitch, have been in the Twitch.
01:06:43
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Most of the questions that I've been answering, we've been answering, I've been asking out of our Discord. If you are interested in joining our Discord, it's very easy. Just go to our Facebook or Instagram or Twitter or other social media pages. We are at the Geek Pantheon on all of those. You can also find it at our website, geekpantheon.com, where we also have merch, or our YouTube channel. I don't know what I said, Philip, but I'm just gonna keep moving. I just, I just imagined members of the Lighthouse Consortium confronting another Drakir, and he begins to say, what I will kill, and everyone we love. me know yeah yeah You don't understand how old this has gotten.
01:07:26
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Well, there's a you on another universe that I fell in love with, so hop in the boat, I guess. Anyway, that's how you get on the Discord. And we would love for you to join us in the Discord to talk about the campaign three that will be coming up very soon. I don't know if Eric's gonna wanna talk about that at the end of this or not. We'll see, I'll let him talk. We can talk in a little preview, but yeah. Okay, great. So, but let's get to questions. Ophelia wants to know, what was the B-plot finale episode? Who was in it and how did it play out? I mean, What do you think, Eric? I think the B-plot episode, it was probably Cold War and Verla doing all of the like behind the scenes machinations to mess over Callaway. And that's where the King of Sharn was, helping them out. Yes. I love this canon. I love that the King lee king of Sharn as a reliable, kind confidential informer. So, no, I think that absolutely it was a lot of
01:08:18
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like Koldor had this like ask from Eris and so it was going around and also Koldor decided to poke around in places that Eris did not want him to poke around in to figure out who Eris actually was and where Eris came from and yeah so. but We need to go back because I the reason that I was thrown When Eric said the name is because I recognize the name, but not from this because the first time that I used the name Oriana for an NPC, it was Oriana Hawkwood. And so now I'm trying to figure out if we used that as the last name of Oriana in campaign one.
01:08:55
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And if that means that there's some sort of cross-dimensional kinship going on. Orion and Eris were the same person the whole time. no In different case different worlds, yeah. I mean, orphans, like remarkably similar backstories, just different outcomes. So, but yeah, I think that would be the fun B-plot. Like if, if I were, if I were asked to do like what was happening behind the scenes in the finale, it'd probably be that like it'd be Koldor, Verla, King Asharn, maybe, maybe Axrian. like Cause Axrian was never super bought in with Salman Calloway. So maybe, uh, once Koldor figured out that Axrian was listening in on his channel, he like, okay, what's, what's going on here, bud? Like, and so.
01:09:38
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Bactrian holding the King of Sharn under his armpits, flying across the city. Charge! And now I want backstory in which Koldor engineers the coup that made him the King of Sharn in order to get control over the kobold criminal world. The under-under-underbelly. The under-underbelly. That's what I want now. I want a campaign of all of the various kobold criminal factions. Which means that the King of Sharn... Like a mouse detective thing. the king of sharn is under the impression that the king citadel works for him because it's the king citadel what a dumb dumb show and i didn't even come up with that one all right yeah snazz gun thumb is your handiwork i didn't come up with the name just the voice
01:10:22
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No, I named him. I'll take that hit. I'm proud of my stupid names. Eric from Darren. Eric, were there any unresolved threads that you personally were hoping to see addressed in the finale? I mean, there was part of me that was, you know, hoping and maybe for a little bit of a mea culpa from Reynard to Verla, but, you know, at the same time, we all know who Reynard is. So... but ah just Let's do it right Come on. No, like I said, there were there were some scenes that I had planned, but where the episode ended just seemed too perfect. Because I had the thought, yeah, showing Verla joining the Dark Lanterns, Sigils, the beginning of Sigils' journey into the Mornland. And then there was one other Belasheera scene actually in Zoriath.
01:11:13
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with Bela Shira talking to another Dalkier about their plans that I decided to cut because it seemed like too nice of a place to end. I'm not going to go into details because that is very heavily, like it was a teaser for some of the stuff that's going to happen in campaign three. So yeah much like all the Bela Shira scenes were in the epilogue. What about, let's expand on that a little bit. Just, are there any other things that you wish we had we had spent more time on during the campaign than we did? I mean, is there, how upset how upset were you that I did not try to avenge Ace or that?
01:11:45
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I mean, that would have been interesting, but I was mostly doing it for your benefit because you had expressed a desire in the previous episode to do that. So to to get some vengeance. So that was me just trying to listen to my player and give him what he wanted. And then he told me, no, you also did tell your player there is no vengeance to be had in the character. No, Eric did not an NPC, a character that that my character trusted said there is no vengeance. And then a new devil said you want to come work with me. No, I mean, the RAM stuff would have been cool, but eventually it hit a point where it was just like every time the RAM showed up, you all just ran. And so it was like, OK, probably ah time to. It's a fun meme, but can you blame us? I can. And so can the listeners wasn't working. The Tarvel and the weird undead sea person thing that was showing up around Tarvel. Yeah, I regret that one. I mean, I had a lot of stuff with like Lady Briar and the Delvers. I had plot lines and quests with kind of each of the different factions that could have been interesting and fun. And those characters were a bit more fleshed out than they got to to be. So
01:12:51
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Those would have been interesting, but Lady Briar, especially because she's an interesting character in my head. So yeah. All right. I mean, and I guess Laura is asking to know more about the C person. And I guess ah since Philip also regrets not pulling on the thread and the campaign's over. ah Yeah. Tarvel was on a smuggling run after Aaron had gone in and you know, something went wrong and he got knocked overboard and bonked on the head and drowned. And, but a entity deep below the ocean found him and offered him a chance to breathe underwater. Like, Hey, you're about to die. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to breathe? All you have to do is shake my hand and agree to work for me. Tarvel's a warlock. Tarvel's a warlock. Yeah. That's why he has telepathy and can make those weird totem things that you can communicate through and
01:13:43
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Yeah, the telepathy, like I really expected Tarble to be able to do telepathy out of nowhere to be a bigger flag. But I mean, I'm not blaming anybody for not, but like I expected that to be like a whoa thing. But I don't yeah recall it happening. I'll be perfectly honest. I'm sure I was around, but I do not recall the telepathy. Yeah, this is why I recall it where I had money and friends. It wasn't, you know, anything can happen. But you got a little money. So, yeah, who would agree to a deal with such a suspicious entity? Laura asked in the chat somebody who's about to die, you know. All
Genesis System: Pros and Cons
01:14:16
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right. Which doctor wants to know what would you do differently if you wanted or were forced to play Eberron with the Genesis rule set again? I think it might take forcing at this point. right I thought it went really well. I loved it. I don't I don't have any complaints. Like I this was of all of the versions of an artificer that I have seen in any system.
01:14:37
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This was absolutely the most that felt like being someone who can just tinker with magic and make crazy things work. Like it just the the free formness of it. and the ability to flavor so many talents as gadgets that she had made, there's just no equivalent to that. So i if I had to play Eberron in Genesis, again, I would be hard-pressed not to play another artificer because it was really fun. ah That is I would not play a martial character even with the talents that do add to some variety during fights it was still just variations on take to strain to punch harder or Instead of this would be instead of wounds its strain or whatever I guess to be to be fair the I do think that we ran into Issues making our podcast a Genesis podcast, but it was nothing to do with Eberron or Genesis. It was
01:15:38
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It's not for big campaigns. it's It's a great system. I don't think you can get a four-year campaign out of Genesis without a lot of extra work that we had, especially Eric had to put in. I think is my my catch with it. But maybe that's just me. Maybe I just wasn't progressing like I should have with my guy. So I think there are better long-term game systems. Maybe it might be the way I should say that. Randy. I enjoyed it. I had my doubts initially, you know, being D and&D. And I was like, man, I don't know if I could do this, if I'll like this, but I'm always game to try something new and different. And yeah, I ended up really enjoying it. I really thought it was a lot of fun. It was just a a lot of freedom, it seems, not being locked into certain things.
01:16:24
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Trevor, I also very much enjoyed it because mainly because of the, you know, you still had a clear success and failure, but I felt like there was so much more room to play with how that happened, how that worked. yeah Yeah, you can mess up, but still, may there may be a benefit there. If you had to play again, would you spend experience sometimes? You know, I did so well without. That's true. And I'm going to say that speaks extremely well to my point, is if if you have one person who spends every experience point they get, and one person who never does, and they're of similar efficacy in battle. It's true. i do I mean, I've said from the beginning, and I will never stray from, I think the narrative dies very fantastic.
01:17:09
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gameplay mechanic. I think that I love, I mean, when we played Star Wars that first time and the very first, nowhere near the first role, but the first time I really grasped what was happening, I was like, wait a second. I failed, but can I go ahead and just blow this thing up? Yes. I can like, love it. I really do love it. I just. Yeah. And that's the element of like every other system that I'm just trying to chase that dragon of like the the failure butt or the success butt thing that that you get with the narrative dice system. To address the question, like if we were if we were to do it again, you know i I think the adaptation into Eberron played very well, and I think that it was reflective of Eberron in an interesting way.
01:17:55
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i I don't think I would want to try to do a epic level campaign in Eberron using Genesis just because Genesis as a system and I think to Jeff's point, it's a very wide system instead of a vertical system, you're never going to get super duper powerful. You are going to be very, very, very good at what you do, and then you get better at other things. Right. But you're never going to become a god, which is why, like the the last scene with Solomon Callaway and the party, I i was having Solomon Callaway challenge you all to do something.
01:18:35
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because Salman Calloway is so powerful that he, the very nature of who he is as a character within the lore of Eberron means that he transcends Genesis. If you were to try to fight Salman Calloway, it would be like trying to fight an avalanche. You you cannot defeat it, you can get away from it. and Counterpoint though, what if I could? but you can't. I think I could fight an avalanche. No, I'm talking about me, but it would have been bad. Oh, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. So don't kill Psalm and Callaway. Don't try to kill Psalm and Callaway. Because you can't. You will fail. Yeah. Yeah. You will fail and then he will succeed and everything would be bad. Well, I could have added what they said.
Future Campaign Ideas and System Discussions
01:19:17
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Yeah. You can't kill Psalm and Callaway. Okay. Still fast.
01:19:21
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but At the same time, think about you know who's delivering that message to Milo, and then when Milo communicates it to his allies, what's the easiest way to get Eris to try to do something? Now you can't do that. Oh, telling her not to. That was man. I can't tell you how against the character I've left character. I said, I'm not going to do this because it will be bad for the game. Yeah, I fill up. I'm not going to do this. Yeah. But no, absolutely. All Eris wanted to do was say screw other screw other not Eris. Yeah. Like, yeah.
01:20:00
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Yeah. So, so anyway, yeah, that was the thing with Solomon Callaway is he, he kind of transcends the system. And obviously we've set it up to where you can come back at the campaign three. So I'm not going to get into what he is or who he is because that might become relevant at a later date. But no, I really like Genesis. I think it works really well for this style of campaign. So I tried to do something in this similar vein. I think a pirate campaign would sing in Genesis. If you were in the Lazar principalities as a pirate crew, like I think that would be phenomenal. So yeah, if I were to do another Genesis Eberron campaign, yeah, pirates in the Lazar principalities.
01:20:37
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That's fun. Sorry. If we were to do this campaign again, obviously we've all discussed we'd probably play Blades in the Dark. Yes. that's yes it's just It's just so specifically designed for this. It's like, I mean, it maybe, maybe came a little hard for Genesis at the beginning. I really enjoyed playing it. I just don't, I wouldn't play a long-term Marshall character in it again. That's period. ah I hit a ceiling early and it felt like the less Marshall characters
Character Turning Points and Growth
01:21:02
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didn't. All right. Kevin would like to know, why did no one think to bring in your greatest alloy to the Callaway versus Iwalt dispute? Obviously the King of Sharn would have invalidated all of Callaway's claims. Well, he was involved in the, on the other side. He was working in the back end of it. Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:16
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That started as a question, but it ended with an exclamation point. And I realized that as I was reading it. All right. Kevin continues. Uh, what point in the campaign would everyone say was their character's turning point? Hywels discovering the the theater, the theater adventure. Where like prior to that, I'd have said it was like, there comes a point where Eris is no longer trying to run, but looking back on the whole campaign now, it's absolutely the theater adventure. Philip entirely unaware of high walls ending up there with this lady that Eris is pretty ready to go hot against because she was rude. And then the just the earth shaking realization that there are people just a whole lot worse off than Eris in spite of. Pretty brutal starting point for her was very much a transformative realization.
01:22:11
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four errors. It's probably the first time where she got really mad at a concept on behalf of others. like the The injustice towards Highwall made her really ticked off, which is her speed, but she was mad at injustice. in that That was a good character growth moment for her. I just pulled up my notes from that arc, which I, I adore that that was there's this turning point. Cause that was never at any point in this arc, the intention. Y'all know that ACE was a half-elf and his real name was Joey. I forgot. that noy part does sound familiar I do think I knew his name was Joey. Cause I think we immediately didn't believe him. Cause I think it was something like, he was like, you can call me ACE. And I think we immediately all said, we're not going to do that. And then we did for the rest of his life, which really sounds like us too. Like, no, we will not be doing this the simple thing that you prefer us do.
01:23:01
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because we're jerks. I don't think Hobb had a turning point. Hobb had a slow realization as he got further disenfranchised with the idea that no matter what happened he was still going to be working for somebody that he didn't like. Whether it was a Boromar or whether it was solving Callaway or whether it was a boom rush or whatever, it was just like a, oh, this only leads to more of this. And I've not been enjoying this for some time now. And I think coupled with all of the other people around him finding avenues out, he was like, well, I don't really need an avenue out, I can just stop. Like I'm big enough that and strong enough and have enough connections that like I just can quit and come try to make me go to work one day, halflings, I would love it.
01:23:48
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So I think that's what, I don't think it was a turning point as much as, as, as much as it was just a slow, like, it was, you know, everyone's had the realization where this is just the rest of their life, but Hobb could do something about it. So we chose to. Yeah. I don't know about Milo. I mean, having a major turning point, it just seems like everything kept going a little worse, a little worse, a little worse. You know, first Kylie, the bar. Then his magic is unpredictable sometimes and he could hurt his friends. Then Satan gets killed. His eye goes. So I think it was just all, you know, becoming more depressed and sad as things went along and trying to keep a happy face about it.
01:24:36
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trying to cover up where his mind was at. And, you know, Belashear keeping an eye on him. So I don't, I don't know. I mean, was meeting Cassian and being aware that there was a path to get back to- Yeah, I think that, that was not at the time, but later on that in hindsight, yes, that was a big like, Hey, I could get out of here. Maybe there is something better. So in hindsight, it would it would have been that. Yeah. I think it's really sweet in a lot of ways that Milo and Eris start out in such opposite frames of mind. Eris is just Eris has a go bag packed all the time. And Milo's whole deal is I'm going to I'm going to build back the home I had here.
01:25:29
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And we come to the end of the campaign and it's completely, it's completely flop, flip, flip. Yeah. Cause Milo never saw himself leaving the clan. It's going to rebuild keg bottoms. see yeah egg bottom says Yeah. Franchise baby. room me two yep yep We're a chain. What about Raynard? I think there were several turning points. I think most of the things that happened were somewhat turning points. Not in the way that ah maybe he acted, but or not acted, but spoke to people. But you know, I think even from the get-go, having kind of everyone on the the the train job be like, hey, you're a jerk.
01:26:09
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And he's like, well, I was just trying to get the job done. And that realization of like, oh, well I'm working with, you know, living people. And so and and yeah and Milo, like your best bud at the time, Milo, you're drinking, buddy. He's like, yeah, whatever. yeah right so and then and then you know of course killing his own father and then i i think sure i think the big one not the big one but a big one was really i really like that we said killing his own father but the big one well the the final nail in the coffin i guess was just the whole like hey you're good at this kill a lira
01:26:46
Speaker
And it was like, well, this is all I'm going to do if I stay here. So bye. yes Yeah. Yeah. That's what I wanted. When did you, Trevor, decide that that you're leaving? So, I mean, going with milo as a player, I just decided when Eric gave that option the first, first time I was like, no, that sounds cool. I want do that i was just like, now I gotta to figure out why now I gotta to figure out why I'm going to do it. So at the end of why was just like, well, I've kind of dug my grave here. So goodbye. Sure. Okay. Of the bizarro crew are these remain Kevin questions of the bizarro crew. Who do you think would have had the most trouble from had it come to blows?
01:27:26
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I mean, I said, since I'm the only one that knows their skill sets, I guess this is up to, and um do you all have any predictions? My prediction is a fully statted out. Rainard analog might be the strongest character and we just never knew. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Rainard analog that hangs around and has spent all of your experience might genuinely be the strongest of us. If we did the math, i would probably there's probably like at least 300 experience points that I didn't spend. Probably so, yeah. Maybe more. Maybe more. Probably more. Because I think I only spent 90 maybe the whole time. Insane. Yes, that we because we earned hundreds. Hundreds, Trevor. Every session was a minimum of 15. Nice. Nice. So I have equity is what I'm hearing.
01:28:08
Speaker
Yeah, sometimes you got extra for playing well. Yeah, not sure if he gets his payout. Did I tell you all that at session zero? Any unspent XP you get paid out at the end of the campaign? Well, you can't prove I spent mine, so. All right. so Well, then I guess if none of the others of you have a ah guess as to who would actually be the toughest, I guess we can just let Eric answer the question. I feel like we always had the hardest time with the RAM, so part of me wants to say the Hob analog, the big Marshall guy, but I don't know. Yeah, I mean, definitely the the hub analog that warforged, I would have thought, but you all pretty handily smacked him down when push came to shove. um Well, i yeah I don't know. I don't know that it's fair because he was isolated. Like, yeah, we very quickly got rid of his backup. It was just him on our ship and all of us just beating the crap out of him as hard as we could.
01:28:57
Speaker
So depending on how the dice goes, it would have been the Eris analog because the Eris analog had a talent that when you all rolled, I think three threat or a despair, she got to spawn another drone. And so the dice were just really against you all, yeah then you all could continue to get overwhelmed. So I get that talent, you know, be a better artist, artificer. Yeah, philip get good. But now the Rainard analog was super cool because they were a vampire, which yeah would have. Oh, right. Also that. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. In addition, to everything else, we had to be existentially scared of them attacking us.
01:29:39
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But also the Milo analog was primarily a, a summoner. So that also, they would have been able to produce something really nasty in the battlefield. So, Hey, are my looking, and are my looking make mind flares? It just doesn't mean to. That's right. Oh, one's going to show up of oh no how soon after campaign end, does Eris become the Steve jobs to draw. There's Wozniak or whatever tech duo you think fits better. How? How dare you? yeah How dare you suggest that Aeris is the one that would go commercial marketing with it and not tech for tech's sake?
01:30:17
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I outrage over here, utter and complete outrage. I mean, Eris is not Eris is not going to steal someone else's idea. Eris might attempt to improve on the thing, but honestly, the idea of marketing it would never occur to her. Like, she probably would think of some way in which she would make it, as she would put it, better, and then make one, and then make one for Olive, and for Hob, and, you know, whatever other people manage to eventually become friends, and probably make one for Drawther, which would be really hurtful, but yeah she wouldn't realize it. But the idea of like mass producing and selling them would never cross her mind. What would she do if Drawther actually approached her?
01:31:05
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along that avenue about mass producing them helping. Yeah. Yeah. It would be like it'd be like that episode of Parks and Rec where Ron is asked to mass produce his chairs and explains, well, I make I make three a year. Yeah. So like the idea of mass producing it, it just it would stop being artifice. Like if you're if you're making this a thousand at a time, It's it's not artifice anymore. Eris makes Eris is never going to be the Ford Motor Company. She's going to be custom. She's going to be cauldron customs or something like that. She's she's going to take people's, you know, trashy air skiffs that are mass produced by whoever mass produces air skiffs for sharn.
01:31:52
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and customize them to be awesome and personalized and do things that they shouldn't be capable of do and put it on
Plot Twists and Family Reactions
01:32:00
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Etsy. And then Sharon Outfitters is going to put the knockoff in their stores and make all the money off of it. When when does Eris get her reality show where a camera crew follows her pumping up sites gifts? And you take people's interests and inexplicably integrate them into their car in a way that would never actually be road legal. I put an aquarium in your backseat. OK, except it would always just be another gun. But this aquarium isn't making weapons anymore. That's true. She's gone all Tony Stark with it. A pizza gun. No, she hasn't gone Tony Stark with it because Tony Stark continues to make deadly weapons. Like Tony Stark stops making missiles. Instead, he makes
01:32:40
Speaker
nuclear capable body suits. His body count might be higher post awakening. He stops making weapons for other people. Okay. Well, Eris has already got all the weapons that she needs for herself. So how did Aaron fake Reynard's death and how was Milo's disappearance? I mean, the the thing to remember with everyone is there's no mass communication. So, you know, Milo told people he was leaving town. He left town. Like, who knows where he went? Like, so, you know, if somebody came to Milo's mom asking after me, like he he left, he said he might come back, but he's not come and come back for a while. In terms of poor poor Mrs. Poor Mrs. Cagbottom, like that was the worst thing. Yeah, you did her wrong, Randy. I mean, he was more close to his father.
01:33:29
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Unreal. hate Hateful. Hateful. But you want to live with that voice all of your life. In terms of Aaron faking Reynard's death. Oh no. Trevor, did you did you have any thoughts on how Reynard's death would be faked? Something down, I'm sure. OK. Well, there's your answer. And Eris would have made like a cyborg Reynard and had him die in a massive explosion of some kind. So to the wrong person could have gone out with flair. And I want to point out Eris suggested that we murder Viggo way before we actually thought about murdering Viggo. So I think Milo was about to and somebody stepped in front.
01:34:13
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We needed him at that point. It was useful. No, I think probably. I mean, there's lava down in the car. Probably you get a body, an elf body, throw it in the lava. Throw it in the lava. I thought it was a hot turd. And be like, oh, no. Raynard. We will miss him. Working for the clan. So, yeah, and probably, yeah, probably would have replicated Raynard's signature dagger to have near the body. Like all these kind of things. So to replicate it, Raynard just leaves it lying around. Right. Yeah. Hard to parse just finding it. Yeah, so that probably would have been the nature of it. And then, you know, informing the family that the body has been disposed of. That way, nobody can cast speak with dead on the skeleton and figure out it's not actually Reynard. So, yeah. All right. Did Hob ever meet with the devil? No. Are Milo and Reynard warmly welcome at the lighthouse?
Campaign Highlights and Fan Questions
01:35:02
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Actually, it's super awkward and they don't make it. They don't make it past their first, their first performance review. Kylie, Kylie goes, Ooh, I did not see this actually happening. I've been talking to a couple other Milo's and one of them got here just before. are you No, obviously there was a very warm greeting for Milo waiting for him because Kylie and and Margaret would have known that he was coming. And then, yeah, Raynard would have been another recruit. Like, it wouldn't have been that he was welcomed warmly. It would be just like, we're very happy that you've joined us. Like, let's get you briefed and ready to go on your first mission kind of thing. yeah so he was He was as invited as the rest of us.
01:35:44
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Yeah, but Milo got a much warmer screen. I was not invited. And Hob was also not invited. Suckasuckas. Oh, that's right. We can't go because. Yeah. Kevin asks, does Verla not work for the King Citadel? We got that answer. Yeah. Some guy named Summer Hawk said something stupid. And then Darren asks, did we find out the fate of the Ram in the finale? We did not, but we do know it now. What moment in the campaign was the most satisfying for you, Eric, as the GM? Oh, that is a very, very hard question. I didn't have fun at all. I satisfying is different from fun in my brain, like because there were there were lots of little moments throughout that were very satisfying, like
01:36:27
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I mean, Reynard killing Calvair and how that went down, I thought was very, very cool and fun. And Trevor having the thought of like planting a Tharani dagger. the gay That was satisfying. Hey, very satisfying. I had high hopes that it was going to continue. No, I think probably the moment for me that I really got to sit back and kind of appreciate the world that we had collectively built together and I knew it was kind of okay for us to start wrapping this thing up because getting Aaron was kind of hanging out there for a while.
01:37:02
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And I think the garden party sequence of scenes of just like kind of the campaign coalescing together in a very kind of fun way of all these NPCs and the player characters interacting with the world and seeing. I mean, high walls really was this thing that was built by the campaign whole cloth. And so that was very fun to see and a very satisfying moment of seeing everybody engage with it in the way that they did. So that's my answer. Wonderful. It is nice to end up in high walls, like the place that but wasn't there when we started, like, I don't just live in Savia's anymore. I live in like our creation. Irene asks about Raynard during the lighthouse we covered. Gus wants to know what was Norse and Millhatch going to do had he not been kidnapped due to Raynard's request of Basil?
01:37:48
Speaker
I mean, Nordson Millhatch was going to continue working alongside Solomon Calloway to continue building bigger and better pieces of artifice. I mean, he was already working on replicating the Fletcher and improving upon it. And Eris can't say boo about that because she copied his work. She had a parallel idea. So no, he would have continued trying to grow Millhatch Industries and ah alongside Calloway. And probably honestly, there would have been a point where Norsen and Callaway came to a head over power but within the city. But no, and he would have continued spawning more and more Spider-Man villains for the party to contend with.
01:38:24
Speaker
And that was the, and that I don't think we have any questions about this, so just to kind of touch on it. There was a big poll for me to have Harbin go full Dark Harry like Goblin 2.0, but I also we resisted it because Aeris seemed like she was getting to a better place. And I knew that Harbin going full evil as a result of Norsen being arrested and all that stuff would have just sent her into a
Culinary Interests and Campaign Reflection
01:38:51
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spiral, probably. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to torture Randy some more and let Phillip be so it only feels appropriate that our last question be completely off topic from our friend, bec ah Becca. Becca asks, what is your favorite meat and seasoning combo? Meat substitutes count to and then it's an addendum. What if meat is the substitute with this emoji, this one, this emoji, this guy? Yeah, that's going to work great in audio. Yeah.
01:39:17
Speaker
i like I like a grilled pork chop done with just garlic, salt, and pepper. It's really good. Grilled with a wood fire. It needs a little smokiness to it. It's real good. mobile barbecue fine Barbecue ribs with barbecue sauce. Mine's close, but it's Korean barbecue. My i was go my favorite food bar none is Korean food. So like James and Jotz and anything, chili paste, soybean paste, all that stuff on any kind of meat is going to be. kim kim I put some Korean barbecue sauce on a burger the other day. Yeah. Well, without the bun because it's i'm gluten free. But I've had mushrooms and onions and cheese and Korean barbecue sauce on a meat patty. Baby, I was in heaven.
01:40:02
Speaker
probably for me it's I don't even know what the sea I think it's just like really basic like salt pepper but like grilled picanha like Brazilian steak like on this like sliced like is just so delicious and like yeah I don't know but if I'm going for like something if I want a lot of seasoning to it, then I'm probably going to go more like Indian fare, like chicken masala or something like that. Like just really vibrant, punchy flavor with chicken because chicken carries flavor really well because it doesn't have a whole lot of flavor on its own. Yes. Eric and I had Lao food the other night and that was yeah amazing. Beef with lemongrass. Woo. Friends. Very good. One of the few places that I say is worth traveling to Oklahoma City if you're from far away to eat at is this Laotian or Lao. I don't
01:40:49
Speaker
Yeah, I've told a bunch of my coworkers that I went to a Lashing restaurant and all of them searched like there's not a Lashing place within a hundred miles where I was like, yeah, I don't know why there's one where I live, but I'm very happy that there is so. Duck porridge. The duck porridge. Yeah. Duck with porridge. That's my new favorite combo. The next day I was telling my son, I was like, we gotta go eat this duck porridge. What? That's it. The questions are done and the final, the back cover is closing on campaign two. What do you guys want to squeeze in here before campaign two is done done? This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. Found it a very satisfying story.
01:41:25
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Lots of fun. Lots of sad moments for Milo, it seemed like. But they were fun. Lots of fun. There was some drama. I loved these four characters so much. Yeah. ah i The dynamic of these characters was a huge amount of fun. I enjoyed our campaign one characters. And this was just the interpersonal, the way they had interacted with each other, there was more than just like bros on a mission kind of like, but the, the joy I have from the experience of getting to be like caddy back and forth with Trevor, uh, in character, so much fun. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, uh, I was pushed way more of this campaign than the happy go luckiness of Booyah on the first campaign.
01:42:18
Speaker
he He was pretty easy to play. yep Milo had a lot of stuff going on. I just hope that I ah tried to do my best to try to relay you know his emotions and the things he was going through. I'm not always sure if I pulled it off, but I was trying. yeah I don't count it as a win for Eric that he made me cry in the first campaign finale, but it's I think it speaks to all of us that just trying to play made me cry. in this like eric Eric put a cry note for Jeff in the first campaign epilogue. This one I was just like, I'm just sad to play the game right now.
Teasing New Campaigns and Reflecting on Success
01:43:00
Speaker
Oh man, it was good. Okay. because It was kind of like, it's kind of like watching the series finale of your favorite TV show come to an end. Yeah. Uh, and I've already said that I'm not going to be the grownup in the next campaign. Somebody else has to do the grownup stuff. I'm going to be. ah a weird little wild guy. It's fun. I highly suggest I am. I am here by putting off. i i don't I'm not going to be the tragic one for at least one more campaign. randy That's what you think. I was going to say, welcome to the spotlight. That's not a ah player choice, bro. Philip did it first and then Randy did it. And i I had to be the thing. Philip didn't do it. I know. Philip dealt with it first.
01:43:45
Speaker
Randy kind of brought it on himself a little bit, I think. Randy, Randy created a very interesting magical hook and then told me, do whatever you want with it. Um, so, uh, no, I mean, I'm going full booyah mode campaign three and y'all can't stop me. Um, no, I think campaign campaign two was so immensely fun. And like we, we had joked and talked early on about how much shorter it was and it's become obviously a joke given how much longer. this was than campaign one. But I think this this campaign really showed that like a lot of systems that I was looking through and reading through for campaign three, um I would look at like the leveling system and be like, well, this this campaign only has like six tiers or this this system only has 10 levels. and like But you know the last time we were really concerned with experience and leveling and those milestones and stuff was
01:44:44
Speaker
50 episodes ago, like it was such a long like it became a point where the mechanics didn't matter as much. It was the story that we were telling and the mechanics helped inform that, but the power level, I guess, is the the best way to put it. And so that kind of realization put a lot of ease on looking at systems of like, you know it's ok it's okay if if we still have story to tell after max level has come or something along those lines. um But I I'm just so thankful that like you as the players at the table were so generous with not only ah the stories that you all were willing to throw out there and kind of create on your own, but also the flaws that you were willing to inject into your characters to make them feel like real people and like snipe back and forth with each other, but in a way that was very
01:45:39
Speaker
safe and fun and in service to the story without it getting ah where where it obviously obviously none of us would want it to go. So it was very, very fun. um I'm going to miss this version of Sharn. I'm going to miss these characters and these NPCs, ah mostly because, you know, we we told a we told a mob story, like that's where this started, and those don't have a ah ah happy ending.
Campaign Three Teaser and New Characters
01:46:05
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they have an ending and so the characters like Kath and I mean Ace and Sana and like there is a lot of tragedy left in the wake but it doesn't feel tragic in the way the story is ending if that makes sense.
01:46:20
Speaker
It like it's so different if in feel in that. um Obviously, with the characters being dead at the end of the last one that that shut some doors, but with the last one, you know, we got occasionally asked, will we ever get like some one shot still? And my immediate reaction was no, no, I don't. I don't want to revisit this story. It's over. Yeah, it was very sad and it's over. And um with this one, it's like, yeah, I would absolutely, you know, pull the Eris character sheet out again for a one shot where I don't know, things get wrapped up with the Ram or yeah Hobbs going to finally go investigate that that demon and and asks Eris to gear up for another ride like that kind of thing. Yeah, I would totally do that.
01:47:07
Speaker
I had a very hilarious image in my head after we stopped recording when you all left my house of like that very sweet moment of, uh, in the four sales, everybody raising their glasses, Hob saying to fixing everything and a moment of silence. And then a portal opens and Milo and Reynard run through aged like 20 years. Like we need your help. like like you Yeah. Um, Uh, like that, that just was a very like funny back to the future to, uh, or back to the future ending. Um, it's very funny but yeah, I, I, I really enjoyed these characters. a Good last line, Jeff. Well, yes. Well, well done, sir. Uh, campaign three. Uh, do you want to do a a little bit of a tease for those that stuck out for the, um,
01:47:54
Speaker
the graham able I am able to tease. I didn't think I would be ready to tease by this point, but then realizing when how quickly we're going to meet and talk about it more seriously, I have made myself prepared. so So first and foremost, um we are actually going to have a couple of new cast members joining us, which is exciting. And also the nature of this campaign will afford ah people to have like part time participation, like we might have certain cast members coming and going and joining for arts here and there as they can.
01:48:28
Speaker
and things like that. And so um I don't want to get too far deep into full-on character introductions. We can tease and kind of give an overview, but I want to save that when the whole cast is here and we can kind of speak to um all of our characters on an ah level playing field. ah For the campaign concept, um the player characters are going to be the very first field team ah that um is helping to found an organization to deal with extra planar threats called the Lighthouse. ah So yeah, this is kind of the foundation of what will eventually become the Lighthouse Consortium.
01:49:12
Speaker
And ah more importantly, probably, is we are rewinding the clock on the setting. This campaign will be taking place during the last war, as opposed to the normal start date ah for Everon campaigns. um So yeah, that is the concept for the campaign. Have you decided how far? I think it's, still settling on i'm i'm it's narrowing. It's probably going to be somewhere in the range of like 15 to five years before. So like, Oh, what's the math? It's normally starts in 998. So somewhere in the nine seventies or nine eighties. Yeah. Nine seventies, nine eighties, maybe early nine nineties. Uh, so yeah. Um, but that is the window of time. So late in the war, but during the last war, so we can experience some of those fun things. So.
01:50:08
Speaker
Yeah. um Do you all want to give just kind of a ah teaser over? ah So we're going to be dealing with a lot of planer threats. The planes of Everon are going to be playing a big role in the campaign, ah given that kind of campaign concept. um And so all the player characters will be recruited because they have had some level of exposure and experience with one of the planes. They have shown their capability in dealing with a threat or an element from one of the planes. So do you all want to just give like
01:50:40
Speaker
ah I don't know. ah What do you think would be an appropriate teaser without getting into... Are you telling them what system we're using? Oh, that's fair. um We are also going to be using the 13th Age role-playing game system from Pelgrain Press. They just finished their Kickstarter for the second edition of the system. And, uh, we're actually working on a partnership with them to, uh, have them support the show and provide us with materials and things like that, which is very exciting. We're still hammering out details. Um, so t-shirt, is that work? No. Oh, oh, play the play materials. You're of course. Yes.
01:51:18
Speaker
Um, yeah, yeah, but yeah. Uh, so anyway, um, yeah, why don't we just get into, um, let's, let's keep it simple. Kin, which is their name for what was previously race, uh, in the 13 page system and class. Uh, and then we'll get into like back story and details and names and stuff. Uh, when we're actually introducing the characters.
01:51:43
Speaker
I, I, it's, yeah, I will say, uh, it's funny because in the Twitch chat, I believe it was Jodi said Jeff as a pixie of chaos. Um, I will be playing a human chaos mage in the next campaign. So, uh, it's, it is a, it is an unpredictable magic user. And I'm very excited to not have to be predictable. because Yeah. yeah
01:52:13
Speaker
Trevor, we just built your character. It's top of mind. I know. I will be playing and tell me if I say it wrong. Arcanite Monk. Yep. Uh, for those of you that don't, so Arcanites are humans that have been exposed to magic in such ways to make them more resilient against it. So that is, yep. And I wanted to be a, uh, wow. I can't curse. Well, I can't find a word that's on a curse word. I want to be an awesome, an awesome fist fighter. Yep.
01:52:42
Speaker
I'm going to be a half elf rogue. Love it. And I'm looking at rush attack as opposed to sneak attack. So rogue that runs around a lot as opposed to sneaks up on people. Love it. I'm looking at playing a plain touch tiefling demonologist. um
01:53:11
Speaker
connected to the plane of Shavaroth. Yep. ah So though there is a website that is the srd13thagesrd.com if you want to go i get familiar with the system. um And I guess we can also like ah just preview, just so you all are aware, and the same level of detail. um One of the the other two cast members are going to be playing a high elf wizard. um and a ah changeling occultist are the two other characters. So um we are very excited to have them joining the cast and ah we're excited for you all to meet them whenever we can get the session zero ah recording session planned and recorded.
01:53:59
Speaker
So, um yeah, there are another very fun thing about Campaign 2 going on as long as it did, and we us thinking it was going to end sooner, is I've had a lot of time to think about Campaign 3, a lot of time to establish a lot of lore with Campaign 3, and a lot of time to insert a bunch of Easter eggs into Campaign 2 about the story that's going to be happening in Campaign 3. So um yeah, those of you that obsessively listen to the show ah can go back and listen for those things. So yeah, but anything else to talk about?
01:54:40
Speaker
Okay, I think I'm supposed to end it, right? Yeah. Thank you all so much for listening. This episode, this campaign, the years and years we've been doing this, um it It, it means a ton that we know that there are people out there actually enjoying the thing that we're putting out. So thank you very much. And the next time we see you will be campaign three C three at the beginning of the episode. No more C two. Have a wonderful evening. And I have been Jeff. I'm Philip. I'm Trevor. I'm Randy. And I'm Eric. Catch you next time.
01:55:19
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