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Extended Clip - Roberto Mancini Resigns: Italy Legend’s Legacy, Spalletti or Conte next?
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After the shock resignation of Roberto Mancini from his position as the Italy national team coach, Nima Tavallaey and Carlo Garganese discuss and analyze all aspects of Mancio's tenure in charge of the Azzurri as well as debate his legacy and break down who should replace him out of Antonio Conte and Luciano Spalletti.
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Mancini's Resignation: Unfolding Drama
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast. So we'll start off with the news, the southern news, shock news really in some ways that Roberto Mancini has resigned as manager of the Italy national team. And this is a developing story. So we don't have all the full details.
00:00:22
Speaker
of exactly why he left and suddenly resigned as Italy coach. So we'll start there. My understanding is that there is a number of issues that led to this. Some of them have been brewing for a few months now. There are some issues behind the scenes with his backroom staff. We had Alberico Evani.
00:00:48
Speaker
resigning, one of his closest assistants resigning in the last few weeks, reportedly over disagreement over a number of issues, but especially over Mancini's reluctance to stop playing Leonardo Bonucci, who he played in the Nations League semi-finals to disastrous effect in June.
00:01:16
Speaker
and also Mancini reportedly unhappy with some some backroom appointments which which went without his okay. None of it. This isn't confirmed. These are just these are just reports and recently we saw of course it could be a coincidence. We recently saw GT Buffon coming in as the replacement to the late Gianluca Vialli. That was only what a week ago or so. So who knows?
Saudi Offer: A Tempting Escape?
00:01:44
Speaker
We also
00:01:46
Speaker
There's also reports Mancini's tired, tired of fighting the Italian system by himself. He was recently named as the coordinator for all of these various youth teams, trying to get a kind of synergy between all the various youth teams from the very youngest Italian youth teams right up to the senior team.
00:02:09
Speaker
And also, a couple of other things. First of all, the losses to two of his dearest friends, Janu Kvyali and Sunisa Mihalyevich this year. And also, we can't show away from it. He has an offer from the Saudi Arabia national team, and I'm sure that has played a role in him making the decision to actually go ahead and resign. So Nima, first of all, what's your reaction to the resignation, and why do you think it has come to this?
00:02:39
Speaker
I think it's a combination of many things. I think he's been there for a few years. I think he's tired of fighting and he's tired of things not working the way that he wants. And this isn't the first time he's done this. Let's remember when he had enough at Inter that summer as well, when he was just exhausted, he was like, no, I'm not doing this anymore. You know, he'd been there a couple of years, in total four and a half years,
00:03:06
Speaker
Before leaving four or five years before leaving and it's something similar now he feel he has to feel that things improve behind the behind the scenes for him in order to be able to do his work and he's not he doesn't feel that's what's happening you know this is not.
00:03:25
Speaker
He's not where he was when he took over. He's changed in the sense that he wants to grow. He wants Italian football to grow. He wants Italian football to improve and they're not improving. They're really not improving in his mind, that is.
00:03:45
Speaker
And so he's got an offer, he's been there for a long time. I think it's a combination of many, many things. He's got the Saudi Arabian big money offer. If he goes there, he'll probably have much more power to build something more long term.
00:04:02
Speaker
He doesn't seem, I know that he was rumored, or I know that there was interest from PSG a year or two ago, and he was kind of mulling that over, but I think he's kind of in a position now in his career where he wants to work more long-term with the national teams, and in order to do so, I think Saudi Arabia just maybe offered him a better solution altogether.
00:04:29
Speaker
offered him more money as well. Let's not forget that. I mean, we're looking at 18 million a year. I'm sure that helped him make his decision and he looked at it like this. You get paid more, less stress, a more efficient organization. You know, you have more power. People do more. You know, you get to decide more how you want to work. You get paid more. You don't have to argue with with with with with
00:04:55
Speaker
Seria owners and Seria presidents and you don't have to argue with FIGC presidents and FIGC's internal structure and all the politics that goes with that. It's just at some point you feel, I'm done with this, I'm done with this, let's go somewhere else.
Challenges of Modernizing Italian Football
00:05:13
Speaker
Yeah, I think what's underpinning this is definitely his frustration at being unable to and we'll come to it in his achievements in a bit but
00:05:24
Speaker
He's done an amazing, amazing job in trying and obviously winning the Euros in 2020 or 2021 was thanks to that in terms of changing the culture of Italian football, moving away from many of the backward outdated facets of Italian football from just from the start of starting from the start of football, trying to play a positive, progressive,
00:05:50
Speaker
modern type of football as opposed to a defensive low block counterattacking type of football through to trying to and I know this will come to that whether he actually went against that in the end trying to to give more opportunities for use trying to encourage more more youngsters getting chances
00:06:12
Speaker
looking outside the box, partly by necessity to find youngsters like Wilfred Nyonta, like Matteo Leteki, trying to change the culture of Italian football. And I think that he'd become exhausted trying to do that. Because we've seen many try to do that, whether it's from an ownership point of view, when we've had foreign owners come in, like American owners,
00:06:39
Speaker
to clubs and trying to build stadiums, all the things that we complain about in this podcast all the time, even the simple things like how you market the league, how you broadcast the league, all these things that Italy is so backward in and that has a knock-on effect on everything.
00:06:59
Speaker
and including the Italy national team, I think he'd become frustrated and exhausted that basically he was on his own, because he was the one man fighting against the system. And in the end, you can't win alone. And I think that just, in the end, I think he just had enough of that. And I think that we'll see. He's going to come out in the next days.
00:07:27
Speaker
No, I'm sure. I think it's all of the above. And he's been there for many years. And I think it's something like I said, I think when you're at a job for four or five years and you've had great success like he's had and and, you know, your your goals and what you want to do changes with that evolves with that. And he wants to do something else. And he's tired of butting heads and fighting with Serie A clubs, the Serie A organized Lega Calcho. He's not exhausted of fighting with FIGC.
00:07:55
Speaker
Saudi Arabia is a different project. The Asian Cup is coming up in January-February. That's what he's going to be targeting with. And of course, I think they're going to bring him up and bring him there to work towards.
00:08:12
Speaker
the next World Cup and maybe even beyond until whenever Saudi can host their own World Cup, whether that's in 10 years' time or whenever that is, 10, 12 years' time or whenever that is. But I think he's just tired of arguing with people, to be
Euro 2020 Triumph and Its Aftermath
00:08:28
Speaker
honest. I think at some point you reach a point where you're like, enough for this, enough.
00:08:35
Speaker
Yeah, it is strange how things changed very quickly but let's have a look at his legacy and his achievements and obviously there is one achievement of course that stands out and we'll make him a legend forever and that is winning the euros in
00:08:55
Speaker
in 2020 or 2021 and I mean what an achievement I mean where he took Italy from you know failing to qualify for the 2018 World Cup a team that was in an embarrassment not just a national embarrassment a world embarrassment a team under Ventura with no identity playing the kind of football that was stuck in the dark ages and no young players coming through no real hope no one had any hope none of us had hope
00:09:25
Speaker
especially when you marry that with the struggles of the Serie A and Italian football as a whole in the last decade. No one gave Italy any hope of being a challenger for Euro 2020, certainly not when Mancini took over. And then to go from that to winning the Euros, I mean,
00:09:46
Speaker
absolutely incredible. And people forget now, he was, the world record, Italy have the world record unbeaten run. It went three years without defeat under Mancini from October 2018 to October 2021. People forget about that. So that just shows
00:10:08
Speaker
Yes, the last two years of Mancini's reign, you know, things started to go stale. Things went wrong. He made some mistakes. But those first three years, Nima, I mean, absolutely unbelievable to go three years unbeaten and then to join the middle of that to win the Euros. Incredible achievement.
00:10:30
Speaker
For sure. I think, you know, in his career, he's got a very interesting career because if you look at how he started out and the kind of football he played when he was at Lazio or Fiorentina and Inter, and then how he metamorphosized, you know, changed completely into, you know, we went through this, you know, almost crazy metamorphosis tactically when he came to Manchester City and started playing some sort of
00:10:56
Speaker
passing possession football where, you know, focus was more on dominating possession and imposing yourself on the opposition rather than having, you know, what he had at Lazio and Inter, which was a safety first kind of approach. I mean, at Inter, essentially, it was just Ibrahimovic and Inshallah, let's be honest. It was give it to Maikon, Maikon, go with God, then give it to the Swedish God and hope that he will win. I mean, that was just how Inter played for three years.
00:11:23
Speaker
under him. And that's why essentially he got sacked as well, because it was dreary and unwatchable in Europe, and they failed continuously. There was no balance and lines, and it just didn't work. And also, of course, he is a temperamental person, a temperamental person. I mean, he resigned
00:11:46
Speaker
at the end of it. He said he was going to resign at the end of the season after the Liverpool loss. Just by the way, the way he dropped it, I never forget that press conference where he goes, oh yeah, and by the way, I'm leaving Inter at the end of the season. And yeah, this has nothing to do with the Mercator or anything like that. And I just walked out.
00:12:02
Speaker
very very matter of very very calmly just drop that and then of course everyone's jaw dropped and the next couple of weeks were spent trying to walk that back and he decided to stay on um and and and of course you know by then in mori no morati contact mori no and everything the rest is history but um then he goes to city and then he changes completely who he is the tactics how he plays of course with their money it's easier to do that with that with with with with that wallet than it is with
00:12:31
Speaker
with Marathi's wallet and the Seria's wallet, Seria Club's wallet. Until, you know, he goes to, you know, he went to Galatasaray, won a cup. He was quite the cup coach, wasn't he? Yeah, and also, you know, the Turkish cup, and he won the FA Cup, if I'm not mistaken as well. He's a cup coach, and then when you
00:12:56
Speaker
take that into, you know, it goes to Inte, does a decent job the year and a half he was there, got fed up with the chaos that was, walked out, Dabor came in, ruined everything, Suning stepped in because they'd already bought the club but they weren't all hands-on, Suning stepped in, throw out Tohir and his ilk,
00:13:17
Speaker
And then, you know, we're from here. But then, you know, if you look at when he takes over Italy and where Italy were, like you said, and to where they ended, it was to me, in my opinion, that Anzurri team, that for me, that those two years, those two and a half years leading, you know, going, you know, leading to the European Championship win.
Future with Saudi Arabia
00:13:45
Speaker
I think those are the greatest achievement he has had in his career. And he has a lot of achievements. Let's not forget about that. But what he did there is the high mark, the high point of everything he's ever done. And I think
00:14:04
Speaker
This might be it. I don't think we will see Roberto Mancini coaching another big side. I don't think we'll see Mancini coaching another big national team in the sense like the traditional sense of Brazil or Argentina or Germany or Italy or France or anything like that. I think he now goes to Saudi Arabia to try to win the Asian Cup. And then from then on, I think we're talking about someone who will take more technical
00:14:33
Speaker
appointments and that kind of thing. I don't think we'll see him on the pitches after the Saudi Arabia. Well, it depends how long he plans to stay at Saudi Arabia. I mean, seven years until they potentially host the World Cup. I don't think he's going to be there seven years. Yeah, but I don't think he's going to be there seven years. I do think that he will go there to over the Asian Cup, which we know Saudi want to win. And also the next World Cup. I think that's the those are the main things, the main targets.
00:15:02
Speaker
Mmm.
00:15:03
Speaker
Yeah. And what are your most memorable moments for Mancini in Italy? As the coach of Italy. I mean, for the Euros, there's obviously so many from the Euros. Yeah, but for me, it's his Azzurri revolution when he took over. I mean, you know, because I remember I was I was tweeting about this when he took over. I was very, very happy that he was the appointment. And I was not there was not many people who were happy except with me. And the reason that I was very, very happy and I knew that he was going to do well is because I've seen him. He works well with youth.
00:15:33
Speaker
And he's not afraid to give young players chances and important moments. He's given unknown players their Serie A debuts and Milan Darby's, you know, Niocori, for example. I was there. It was crazy. Like, who? Who's starting?
00:15:53
Speaker
Um, it was, it was weird. Everyone in the press. He does have a good eye for a talent. And we've seen that in the transfer market. Like he's always, he's always identified players as a club coach, even like if you look at Manchester city, the players that you've got mentioned, he's always had an excellent eye for a talent. He's always been able to remember. He was also the guy. He's also the guy who gave a 17 year old Mario Balotelli, his debut against you and the cop Italian. He scores twice. Yeah.
00:16:21
Speaker
He is unbelievable in that aspect, but for me the most, his Azzurri revolution and the midfield, the way that he structured this 4-3-3 and the possession-based football and Taylor building it. Nobody thought that Giorginio and Verratti could work together. That's exactly what was going to happen. The Taylor-made role for Verratti and Giorginio in midfield.
00:16:43
Speaker
was truly, truly, truly remarkable in the way that they could retain possession. And so for me, it's everything. It's the Azuri revolution that he took over. And it was all deserved as well. It wasn't a fluke. You don't go three years unbeaten.
00:17:02
Speaker
I don't know. That was structure. He built something for three years. He built a fantastic team that were the best team at the Euros. Italy were the best team at the Euros. They deserved to win the Euros. They had a little bit of fortune, of course, if you win two penalties. You don't win a tournament without a bit of luck. If you win two penalties, you've had a bit of luck. But they were the best team at the tournament. They played the best football at the tournament.
00:17:26
Speaker
which you don't usually say about Italy, you know, Italy national teams, they're not usually teams that are good on the eye. Well that depends on what your definition of beauty is. I think the most beautiful, you know, for me, I love that. Attacking beauty, let's say attacking beauty. For me, Euro 2000, that Italy side in Euro 2000 with that defense of Nesta, Cannavaro, Maldini, Iuliano, Zambrotta is truly
00:17:52
Speaker
Unbelievable. Yeah, okay. Well, let's say let's reframe that as attacking beauty, modern attacking beauty. Yeah, but here's the thing, like he, what he does, for me, like that's what I'm saying, like the fact that he changed not just Italian perceptions of Italy and what Italian football and Italian national team is, but also foreign ones as well. A lot of people were completely surprised by Italy who don't, you know, people who don't tune in to football that much, they were like, whoa, since when did Italy start playing like that? Like this, I mean, just the opening night.
00:18:22
Speaker
But the embrace with Vialli, the crying, those two. Yeah, absolutely. The embrace with Vialli, I think, is the moment, if we're talking about Manchini himself, yeah, absolutely iconic, that is. And obviously with Vialli then passing on not long after, you know, 18 months or so after, then, you know, of course, that is even more poignant. But so many great memories from those euros.
00:18:48
Speaker
you know, that opening night, which was beautiful with the opening ceremony and the, who was it, the singer? Bocelli. Bocelli, Andrea Bocelli. And then all the way through, you know, Kiesa's winner against Austria, the insane singer against Belgium, Giorgio's penalty against Spain. And then, of course, the final, I mean,
00:19:19
Speaker
It's just Italian old school, you know, defending just on the line, you know, getting a yellow card. That's not a red card offense, but that is a yellow card offense if there was one. And to do it the way it just shamelessly did it.
00:19:34
Speaker
All the memes after the final as well, a lot of them involved in Mancini, like Mancini is the Queen and Mancini is the, what was it, the Braveheart as William Wallace from Braveheart and all that kind of stuff. It was magical. Just before we move on. I have to say though, I think he's one of the most
00:19:56
Speaker
elegant human beings I've ever met and never had the chance to ask a question of. He's got this superstar aura about him.
00:20:11
Speaker
You know, everyone he walks into a room and he's very, I'm going to miss him, Italian football, because he's also a rebel as well.
World Cup Failure and Criticism
00:20:22
Speaker
You know, he doesn't, you know, if you look at his own playing career and the kind of player he was. No, no, he was a very, he's a very emotional and impulsive person. And he was
00:20:33
Speaker
He is a rebel. He is a rebel. And he goes his own way. And if he's not happy with something, he explodes. But I mean, like Sven Goran-Eriksen said that, you know, when he's been on our podcast twice, that, look, Mancini was already a coach when I when I had him as a player. He said he used to ask me details if, you know, about Sven used to say this, told us that, you know, he asked me details. But basically Sven said at Santori already, he let him run the training sessions.
00:21:01
Speaker
Yeah, just before we move on to look at who could replace him, we have to obviously touch on kind of what he did wrong and his failures and disappointments of his spell because, you know, there is one big elephant in the room and that is that he, despite winning the Euros, he failed to qualify Italy for the World Cup. We've gone into that kind of, you know, why that happened. Some of it was bad luck, some of it was
00:21:29
Speaker
you know, Mancini making mistakes and I think he did make some mistakes in those second two years and I think he made the classic mistake that's often made by Italian national team coaches in the past in that he held on for too long to certain players from that Euro winning team and Bonucci I guess, Leonardo Bonucci is the player that stands out the most but there were others as well and
00:21:58
Speaker
I think that cost him as well. Even now, if we're looking at why he's resigned, I do think that that's played a part, hasn't it?
00:22:07
Speaker
Absolutely. You can't get past that because a lot of that was, it was a silly thing too as well because it was just, they had match points, three match points, didn't they? And they, you know, use it continuously using Georgina as your penalty taker, this ridiculous stubbornness, which he had it entered as well, or throughout his coaching career, which used to be like, there's no need, like you turn small, insignificant details into,
00:22:34
Speaker
battles of morality, of life and death. It doesn't need to be that. It's just in your head. You just make a minor tweak to refresh things and stay with things. Everything does not need to be... You don't have to go to war. You don't have to die on every hill. And that's a little bit munchini as well. He does pick like many coaches, great coaches.
00:22:56
Speaker
they pick peculiar hills to die on. And he picked a really weird hill to die on with Bonucci, Georgina as a penalty taker and stuff like that. Yeah, and I also think that the lack of the plan B also, I do feel like Italy started to become found out, their style of play, their little movements, you know,
00:23:20
Speaker
teams work them out after a while. That happens to everyone. That happens to everyone. And that's why, yeah, exactly. And that's why the great coaches, the greatest coaches always, you know, especially in modern football, this is probably more true in modern football, they have to reinvent and tweak their tactics and their movements. Has anyone ever been better than this, than Sir Alex Ferguson and Pep Guardiola in the modern era?
00:23:49
Speaker
Sir Alex Ferguson used to tweet and change all the time. He won a title with a team that last season where that team was barely seventh. Ferguson changed his players a lot.
00:24:03
Speaker
Ferguson would change. This is something like the great Juventus did in the 90s. They would often change their players because they felt that players would lose. And this was probably more down to players losing their determination and their hunger. And they would sell those players on and bring in new ones. Ferguson would do that a lot as well. He would sell players on, bring in new squads. And he was great at creating totally new teams that would still go on and win.
00:24:30
Speaker
Whereas I think Pep Guardiola, what he is brilliant at is he is a genius. I mean, he's the best coach of his generation. There's no doubt about that. Just tweaking certain things on the pitch, like, for example, last season, the inverted.
00:24:46
Speaker
fullbacks putting John Stones into a central midfield position or the right and left fullbacks coming into midfield. You know, things like that, you know, that is what Guardiola's doing. And that's something that Mancini wasn't able to do. You know, Italy became sterile. They couldn't score. They couldn't create chances. We know they had a problem in attack, but I think that was more down to teams just had worked out all their movements. They knew all the patterns of play. They knew where the players were going, and that needed to be changed.
00:25:14
Speaker
And he did try and change that in the last few months, too late, like went going to like a three, four, three, three, five, two, it didn't really work.
00:25:23
Speaker
maybe that's why it potentially could be a good thing that he's moved on that now Italy will have someone fresh, someone new to give to the opponents will have to try and work out.
Possible Successors: Spalletti or Conte?
00:25:35
Speaker
The question is there of course and the key thing will be who replaces Manchini because this will be key in determining whether it can be a good thing for Italy that Manchini has moved on. So the front runner at the moment is Luciano Spelletti
00:25:51
Speaker
The issue with him is that he has a three million clause, which Aurelia De Laurentiis has put in, that if Italy or any other team want to sign him now, this season, they'll have to pay three million. So there's Cspaletti.
00:26:08
Speaker
Well, that's something that has to be able to be negotiated. I mean, the reason he put that in is because he didn't want to go to another city outside, which I understand. But this is Italian national team. And I think that is just, you know, Aurelio needs to there. He can back off, I think. No, we hope so. We hope he's not. But we know De Laurentiis. Yeah. But I mean, for the love of God, this is a national team. It's not a direct rival, doesn't impact you in any shape, size or form. This is silly.
00:26:37
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's a silly I get the claws to protect you going into the season. I get that. Absolutely. But we're talking about a national team level. It's got nothing to do with club football.
00:26:47
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I totally agree. So there's only two qualified candidates, basically, Juciano Spoletti and Antonio Conte, that are available. Then we come to the other names that have been bandied about, Fabio Cannavaro, Daniela Garossi, Rina Gattuzo, Fabio Grosso, due to his very, very close friendship with Flavina. So watch out for Grosso if we know anything.
00:27:09
Speaker
We've learnt anything from Italian football. And then of course, Max Allegri, who is heavily linked in the days leading up to... I don't see you allowing Allegri to leave a couple of weeks before the season starts. It's just not going to happen. Well, a few days. But yeah. So anyway, the FIGC say they're going to make a decision in the next few days.
00:27:31
Speaker
So for me, there's only one man I want, and that's Luciano Spelletti. Spelletti, without a doubt. And the three million, they need to sit down with the Laurentiis and basically sort that out somehow, because it's, you know, if we're talking about the good of Italian football and
00:27:47
Speaker
and the national team. Spaletti is the perfect candidate. He's at the right age. He's coming off the back of his greatest achievement to crown a fantastic career by winning this Corretto with Napoli. He plays a football that is the natural continuation of what Mancini tried to build on. It's the next step, if you will.
00:28:14
Speaker
He's also in the 60s. This would be a way, and I think he's also the kind of character that could unite all of Italy and Italian football behind a banner, because we've seen him do it at his clubs. And the character he is, he's very charming, a bit crazy. People like that. He's a little bit of an audible. No, I think Spaletti just ticks every box. I really do.
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I agree for all those reasons. I want Spelletti over Conte. For starters, I think Conte will be too expensive. Conte's salary will be too expensive, for starters. But I want a continuation of Mancini's vision of how football should be played. I don't want them going to a Conte who will come in with a bat three, play a three-five-two or three-four-three and, you know,
00:29:07
Speaker
I just think Spoletti makes sense the way that the football... I think that the adaptation to Spoletti will be smoother. And we've got to remember, you know, we've got World Cup qualifiers in a few weeks. This is not good timing. And we have to win these games. Euro qualifiers, sorry. In a few weeks, we have to win these matches. You don't mean... Antonio Conte would be, again, throwing everything out and bringing him in again.
00:29:34
Speaker
you know how he is, you know how volatile he is, you know how emotional and moody he is and you've only got three weeks to do it and he's going to start arguing with everything under everyone and everything under the sun. You're going to restart. And also exactly and I think Spelletti is more fitted to this so-called we'll say so-called you know vision project for the future which Mancini has you know tried to put into place trying to make it to the you know
00:30:01
Speaker
progressive and modern. And not saying Conte isn't, but I'm saying that he will come in and I think disrupt that to play and to manage in the way that Conte manages. It's a completely different style of football. It's his Calcio Verticale, which is very rigid and system-based in that sense. It's not as fluid, it's much more
00:30:20
Speaker
it's more like a marching band and Manchini and Spalletti is more progressive rock. You know what I mean? You go there A, B, C. It's very, very system-based. And what we've got there is you've got possession-based football. It's much more fluid. It's much more flowing. And Spalletti is a continuation of that of what Manchini has put there, although it's slightly different.
00:30:51
Speaker
Of course, in how they play. But no, for me, for me, it's gotta be Spalletti. And Aurelio, for the love of God, this is for ours, preventing the national team from having a coach for 3 million euros. Like, sort yourself out, mate.
00:31:05
Speaker
Yeah, let's hope because if we cannot be going with someone, as much as I love them as players, legends, we cannot be going with De Rossi. That would just be disastrous. I mean, it's ridiculous. De Rossi and Canavaro are not at that level. Grosso did well, if I'm not mistaken, he got frozen on a
00:31:27
Speaker
promoted from the Serie A, Serie B last year. We're talking qualifications. Exactly. Yes, as a player. And also, none of those guys, especially De Rossi and Grosso, they're in the beginning of their careers. They should let them grow. We don't want to burn out coaches this early in their career like Juve did with Andrea Pirlo. We never know what could have happened with that career if he had time to grow and mature as a coach. Putting Grosso in charge of the national team and him flopping
00:31:57
Speaker
would be another Roberto Donadoni from Euro 2008. That's the kind of appointment that it would be. You just don't make that kind of appointment. Unless you really are trying to cut costs and pay a really small salary.