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Matt O’Riley & Kevin Danso In? Teun Koopmeiners Out: Atalanta Summer Transfer Plans (Ep. 443)
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Atalanta transfer news deep dive with Fabio Gennari, broadcaster, author and journalist at Tuttosport and Radio Dea, detailing all the latest transfer rumors from Matt O'Riley and Kevin Danso to futures of Teun Koopmeiners, Ederson, El Bilai Toure as well as backstory of how Nicolo Zaniolo was signed and much more in this special La Dea episode of The Italian Football Podcast.
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian Football Podcast. Hello everybody and welcome back to another Mercato interview deep dive here on the Italian Football Podcast. My name
Focus on Atalanta's Journey
00:00:14
Speaker
is Nima Tabale-Ruzari and today ah we're going to focus on Atalanta. After we did Napoli with Vincenzo Credendino, we did Lazio with Valerio Marcanjali, we did Juventus with Mirco di Natale, and last week Milan with Vito Angelou. I'm absolutely delighted to do Atalanta with a journalist who
00:00:37
Speaker
ah wrote, who is probably the number one Atalanta expert, to talk to. He wrote a book called Favola Atalanta, together with Andreari Scasi. He covers Atalanta for Toto Sport and other outlets. Welcome to the Italian football podcast Fabio Gennari. Thank you so much. What a wonderful presentation. Good afternoon to all. But it's true. Fabula Atalanta, I've only read like parts of it. i'm not I actually bought the book. i don't know I haven't had time to read all of it um because it only arrived like five, six days ago. I've read parts of it. It's beautifully written.
00:01:14
Speaker
And I have the second um book in ah in preparation. is
Atalanta's Transfers and Strategy
00:01:21
Speaker
ah the the preview the depriv the The book ah was ready around October and for for now the title is a surprise. but okay is is all oriented to the super night on Dublin, because we have but make a dream true. And I think it's a ah beautiful story for the Atlanta, for the people of Bergamo, a talent in the world, but also for all passionate football
00:02:05
Speaker
yeah food that man, football woman, football kids is a very, very, very incredible story. and really is It really is. And I'm personally, I can tell you about me, i'm i I was raised in Gothenburg and might I have two teams I support. One is IFK Gothenburg and one is Indr. And Glenn Stromberg is a legend of IFCO Gothenburg and he's also an Atalanta legend. and he He's so he lots of people in Sweden who like Atalanta like Atalanta because of Glen Strombeye So yeah, it's it's um you know what that Europa League win was just Fantastic for everybody and and you know all the all the people ah in Bergam all this tiniest place where you know it It shouldn't really be possible in this day and age for this to happen But it's truly truly a favola as you co-wrote in your book
00:03:02
Speaker
Yes, yes, yes, and very, very fabulous. Right, let's start with the Mercato. um
Gasperini and Atalanta's Future
00:03:08
Speaker
Atalanta have already signed Charles de Kettler, Ben Godfrey, Ibrahim Suleimana, and Nico Lozagnolo on loan. Atalanta have sold Kayla Bocoli, Nicolo Cambiagi, Nadir Zortaya, Duvan Zapata, Ebrahim Coley, and Giuseppe Deserio. But before we get into the players, I want to talk to you a little bit about the coach because Jampiero Gasperini was rumored to be close to Napoli. Is it true that Napoli made an offer to him this summer? And how close was he to leaving Atalanta and join Napoli? No, really no. of Official offer was not made. Hispanic knew of Napoli's interest, but there was never really a moment where it could go to Napoli.
00:03:54
Speaker
The relationship behind Gasparini and Bergamo with Parcasi and Gasparini with the players and Gasparini is very, very, very strong. and We will move forward together with great satisfaction for everyone. And I think very quickly that contract of Gasparini with Atalanta will be extended. Okay. um His current contract expires, is it June 2025? Yes, but I think we we can quickly and easily make a new contract on 2027, also two years plus 25 years. But what is his plan? I mean, he's 66 years old now. how long do you think i mean How long does he see himself staying at Atalanta?
00:04:49
Speaker
me Well, I think that due to the way Gasparini works, the level that he has reached with Atalanta and his age, where Bergamo will be the last important place of this of his career. He could perhaps join return to Genoa one day, but today Gasparini is completely immersed in the social fabric of the city. He is adored for what he has done. And I believe we will remain ah here until the end of his career for the people of Bergen-Mugasperini is God, is our best ever coach that sits on the Atalanta bench. I mean, yeah. um Would do you think there is a chance that he could maybe take over the Italy job after the World Cup in 2026?
00:05:46
Speaker
i I don't know, but I say no. He's a coach who needs to work with the players every day, every single day, hard work ah each each each day of of the the week. Being the national team coach is an another job. I don't think it is suitable for his work model. Allegri is a better solution
Potential Player Additions
00:06:10
Speaker
for Italy in the 2026 but not the coach like Gasparini. Gasparini really needs every hour, every minute, every second in day in the in the days of of work in the Zingonia, in the training center of each team that m
00:06:28
Speaker
that we we that you work and that you work and I think is only the way for a gas-breaking job but that's better like when we see. Yeah, that that's that's a good point. Okay, so let's talk about ah the player's ins that he will probably we could end up working with every day. Let's start with Matt O'Reilly. From what I understand, Atalanta have made three bids ah for O'Reilly at Celtic. So what's the state of play regarding the negotiations and do you think that he will end up joining Atalanta?
00:07:05
Speaker
Well, this moment is a standby moment. To me, there is only one proposal worth 18, 15 million euros included bonuses. I believe the talent will increase this proposal and I think really could arrive in Bergamo. But now I can say when this could happen. because Matt Orelli is a very, very, very big player. He's not joined with the cup miner situation. Atlanta want to be more more a solution ah for Gasparini. And I think Orelli is the first choice for Atlanta, independent of cup miners. Yeah. I mean, is he the replacement for cup miners if cup miners leaves?
00:07:54
Speaker
In the list, it's possible, but it could happen ever even without the sale of Comenas. Well, Atalanta doesn't want to sell Comenas. Oreli is a great prayer in Atalanta, who focused above above own all on attack. It could really be an excellent upgrade for the solution available to Gasparini, but I repeat, he's not joining the arrival of Oreli with the sale of Comenas. So if Atalanta don't sign O'Reilly, what other alternatives are there? I made a confession for you. There are many names on the table, but one of the characteristics of Atalanta transferred men is the silence. All total continuous silence. Before a real name reached the newspapers, negotiations are carried out without anyone knowing anything.
00:08:52
Speaker
discussion is maximum and the change, HA and change only when the object is as disappeared or the negotiation the negotiation is concluded with visit and singing of the contract. This is a very, very important thing about the man of transfer at Atlanta made every day. h That's really interesting. um What about Kevin Danso? Atalanta have reportedly been in talks to sign the land's central defender. Is this true and what are the state of negotiations?
00:09:29
Speaker
Yes, it's the name true, it's not the only. At Ranta, if Jim City lives, we have to be already an high-level defender. It's necessary. We talk about Danso, but also about but Valerdi from Marcella and Gertruda from Faino. Three of a lot of names. We have all other names in Bijal, Indonesia. and other players. There are more profiles, but it's an open approach in discussion only if Jim City leaves. Okay, we're going to talk about Jim City, but do you think that Atalanta will sign a central defender this summer regardless of if Jim City leaves or stays?
00:10:12
Speaker
I think no, because we have also Martin Droun that can play in this position. Martin Droun had played in that position over Kolazin and Idur. in Liverpool, the denial with 3-0 of Anfield Road. And I think also Atebo is a solution. and We have Toloy, we have Godfrey, just arrived. We have Kolaznak, we have Ian. It's it's a moment that Atlanta changed our defensive players.
00:10:56
Speaker
not all at the same time, but I think ah Jim City Leafs can make a big level defensive player. And the other way is not certain that Atalanta makes this pressure. Another player that Atalanta has been linked to is the Corinthians winger Wesley. He's also wanted by Chelsea. Have you heard anything about this? No, I've never heard of this of this name. I don't need a winger, I need some player on the right side and on the in in in the left side, but I don't have any here. I've never heard of this name. of
00:11:43
Speaker
well learn from condition OK, Marco Brescanini is someone who was really one of the more impressive youngsters in the Serie A last season, and it seems that Atalanta have been big fans of him for quite some time, but it looks like he's going to Napoli or are Atalanta still with a shot of getting him. Marco Beauchene is a very, very, very interesting player, but it is a possibility, but that's even very recent weeks about which instead is now on standby, like a gym city situation, like a relay situation. I don't know if, I didn't i don't know if we ah you will go to Napoli, but Atlanta certainly has other priorities in this moment, like center back player.
00:12:32
Speaker
so So they
Atalanta's Financial and Trading Model
00:12:33
Speaker
are going, so the central defensive position is a priority for Atalanta. i mean in this moment In this moment, yes, because the offer made the for Al Rayyan, Qatar, The reality is very, very, very important for Jim City, but not in this moment for Atalanta. The Doha Associates don't make a great offer for Atalanta. For that, we are in a standby moment. Are there any other players that Atalanta are currently in talks with or considering making a move for?
00:13:12
Speaker
I think only players were not in the technical project and young people don't have more young players that play on under 23 team but also the young player in the history of Atalanta move out for play in the second tier of of a competition in Italy, Cebi, or third tyre. With the under team, ah the third level is ah is in the homema is it the home, is in the the near zone, Zegonia, but the second tyre with Cebi, and also the first tyre, Serie A, but in the low level.
00:13:58
Speaker
and which which other teams in the low level of Serie A is ah also a great solution. Atlanta in that moment doesn't need to sell its best player. Economics feature of the society is very very, very positive. Very good. And we don't have that necessity. No, it's my colleague on the podcast, Carlo Garganese, he calls Atalanta pound for pound the best run club in the world. And it's hard to disagree with them. What Atalanta have done is unbelievable, not just on the pitch, but also off the pitch. I think that's the first model
00:14:46
Speaker
of football in the wood for for a player in, player out, for the player trading, ah for the very, very, very high attention of economics things around all players. I don't need a new know player in only if the economics is a rookie or if the out players cover the new player, expensive investment for the society. It's a very, very, very central point of strategy. I think it's the better model in Europe. I don't know if other teams that reach high level like Atlanta made this model in this year.
00:15:44
Speaker
I can't think of a single one. um Are there any other positions on the pitch that Atalanta still wants to strengthen this summer? Any other position? Well, I see the the the team and at least one midfielder on the right is needed to replace Holm and then a defender. In the talk, there is a Zagnolo, a new singer. If no one leaves, it will be difficult for other players to arrive. We
Key Players and Injuries
00:16:13
Speaker
spoke about the champions of the Rob League team and all players that play Dublin Final it's in this in this moment are in Zingonia, are in Atalanta.
00:16:28
Speaker
what I don't see very, very problems in the in in the team. Only repeat when we feel there and of the right side and a defender for the numeric solution. Yeah. Well, let's talk about one of those players that you did sign. It's Nicolo Zaniolo, who's had quite the difficult career so far these past few years. Let's start with whose idea it was to sign Zaniolo. Was it Gasperini? It's crazy. The idea was by Daniel Gasparini confessed. Gasparini confessed in an interview of korea the on Korea Delosport that one day former player Marco Burialo, ex-player from Roma roma mila the Milan, called him to say that Daniel wanted to come to Berlin.
00:17:22
Speaker
From this, everything was born. Gasparini told about that with D'Amico, D'Amico told with Amistretto, Luca Percasi, and in a few days, the operation was born because it's an idea from Zagnolo. That's very, very, very crazy because Gasparini have very, very, very things that made eye player
00:17:58
Speaker
like the past then you'll need this from a return point of refinement for the Italian job data and football and I think under Gasparini he can make that. So you think that he can become back to his best under Gasparini? i It is everyone believe her. Nicole was a great young talent. Yes, he was. He had a serious injuries and now two injuries on the the and technique and now he needs confidence and right environment to become great again. I think under Gasparini he can make that.
00:18:44
Speaker
That's crazy. Yeah, that that thing about Gasparini, like the Zagnolo himself wanted to go in Tata. That's crazy. um That's brilliant. And the Borrello of all people. Borrello was the player of Gasparini. Yeah, I remember. yeah The connection is is that. And Daniel was in Galatasaray, but he searched a new solution for contact in Syria. Ferrentino was interested, but Gasparini and the Champions League possibility to play for Daniel is central in the Coccisa. Okay. So where is he going to play is in the number 10 role, in the trequati, if we put it like this. That's his position. Okay.
00:19:26
Speaker
Daniel can play as ah an attacking winger, 3-4-3, behind the strikers, or even as a true center forward, like Skamarka. Gasparini declared that he is planning some checks on this possibility, because Daniel is yeah like Charles Neketelare, a young player that is great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great,
00:20:00
Speaker
one checks is possibility or um or center for web vanual behind the schach Let's talk about someone who, speaking of injuries, was very unlucky, Georgios Galvini. I mean, that was horrible. How is his recovery going and when do Atalanta expect to have him back? Very, very unlucky. George Skalvini, I think Skalvini will be able to return to the field between December and January. He's an LCA injury on the knee left and I think around the end of 24 here, it's okay for the easily to up.
00:20:46
Speaker
OK, let's talk about players who are leaving. One of them, the main player that is being discussed and has been discussed for quite some time, is cop miners. Juventus want to sign cop miners. We know that. And there are also reports suggesting they're about to make a new bid. So what's the state of the negotiations? I say that Juventus has never made official offers to Atalanta. And the talent doesn't consider the sale of Comenas in its strategies. It's unbelievable that every day at all newspaper, we read that Comenas come back, can come to Juventus, that Comenas have reached a terminal, ah sorry, personal terminal.
00:21:41
Speaker
and for ah for the new content with Juventus. But at now, Juventus has never made official office to Atlanta. And this is not a detail, because we will play with Real Madrid in 14 August, and now with 13 July. And that I think we don't have more days for attempt the Juventus offer. In Zingonia, all the group, all the players, think about Real Madrid, Atalanta and I think don't very well we can think about the transfer to other groups and that's very important for me. So how much do Atalanta want? We've read 60 million
00:22:31
Speaker
um is that Is that true, that Atalanta won $60 million for Cook Miners? I think that it's it's a great route. um We read in the newspaper that Juventus would like to offer $45 million, but Atalanta refused $47 million for Napole one year ago. And today, after a season in which Comenas was the protagonist and did very well, we made he made the goal, he made the assist, at least 55-60 million are needed for move Atalanta from his idea. That is not sell, don't sell containers. So that's interesting you say that because there have been reports that Atalanta had promised cook miners that he could leave this summer for a big club. Are you saying that that never happened?
00:23:29
Speaker
I had read that. I only can cant say that. In this moment, we need offers and real money. No promises. Promises are in the talk around the player and associative, but now at that moment, after more months, we read everyday communes in newspaper, now we need offers, real money from Atlanta, from Juventus, from Liverpool, from Manchester United, from the team that are interested. To communes, we only need offers, real office, official offers, real money. Not just talk, not just talk. Yes, it's no time to talk.
00:24:17
Speaker
So, do you think there's a chance that he could end up staying then? I think the change that we will remain in Benoit increasingly either with each passing day, four or four because ah I have to say before, Ramadri is too near. 14 August is in a few days, it's likely the most important appointment for Matalante in history. More than Lublino, and I think all players that win the Europa Cup in Lublino want to play for the Super Cup in Versailles, where the winner won the Europa Cup.
00:25:01
Speaker
And I think that it was a great street for the remaining of Khomeynus' constant. I think everyone,
Atalanta's Aspirations and Challenges
00:25:16
Speaker
regardless of who they support in Calcio, wants Atalanta to beat Real Madrid in the Super Cup. It's a dreamer. It's a very, very, very, very big team. but in football and in every year can make a little bit historic games. I hope that Rianno Delano can hold me from that. So then we can conclude that Edelsohn and Skamaka and all the other big players, they're also staying unless somebody makes a crazy offer.
00:25:58
Speaker
Crezioffer in every time is a great way to think about the whole operation. But I think we had no chance for that because at another, I say, the Wonder Opera League, the tournament in the Champions League, at the Orlando Stadium, Gavi Stadium, have no budget problems and have a lot more to the best. There is no need to give in. Yeah, there's no need, like you said. But one player that it looks like he is going to leave is Alexei Miranchuk. Yes. How close is he to Atlanta atal atlanta United from Atalanta? Yes, yes. it's it's ah it's ah It's a joke situation, but the office, the the transfer is official from a few hours. They talk about 50 million
00:26:55
Speaker
use including bonuses. It's a great sell, it's a is' a player that's not in the center of a technical project of Atalanta but I think it's a good solution for for the player and the also for Atalanta. You mentioned Jim City as well, and you said that Al Rayyan made an offer, but Atalanta declined it. what's the like our do Do you know if Has Atalanta received any signals that Al Rayyan are going to make a relaunch, a new offer for Jim City?
00:27:29
Speaker
I think it's necessary because Mataranta had a very low, almost ridiculous offers for his contract. Jim City, which we did at 15 million, like Minachuk. And I think, yes, we spoke about a backward player, but he's a captain in the Dublin Final. He's a very, very important player for Mataranta. And I think Allah that need to transfer Barajim Sikhi must need a good offer for a talent. Agreed. There's also been some rumors about El Bilal Toure. Personally, um I've read of Stuttgart, the Bundesliga outfit. I hope that he stays at Atlanta. Is there any truth to him leaving for Stuttgart?
00:28:26
Speaker
That I know, just a request of information. Just, Albiatore was paid $30 million one year ago. a He was in a very, very difficult situation for injury. muscular injury, very, very bad injury. And we we will try to to to see him ah in in the pitch. And the only if Atlanta received an offer that covered completely the one year ago investment, we can think about the ability to relieve. In other situation, I can i think it is impossible.
00:29:14
Speaker
Yeah, same here. um What about any other Atalanta players could leave this summer? I mean, is there anything right now that we can... Yes, we have one month ago to the transfer ah period, but I think only second time and the younger players can yeah leave Atalanta. Is that the way? unless somebody comes with crazy money. Yes, yes. It's never is very a detail, but it's a characteristic of Atalanta and I think is a unique Atalanta in region.
00:29:51
Speaker
and
Atalanta's Impact on Football
00:29:52
Speaker
I want to talk a little bit about Atalanta going into the season, um what the objectives are. I personally think Atalanta is the dark horse to win the Scurretto. Not favorites, but i think if they are they they they could I can see them winning it if they have the perfect season. is very very very emotional here at that but I say to you a little bit about Bergamo and people of Bergamo story Bergamo and the people of Bergamo are simple people few words and a lot of works every day
00:30:31
Speaker
every month, a lot of work. Only we talk, Gasparini, the most read that, can you go there at the top? Gasparini say in the last month that Accanto won the Europa League not be because they were the strongest, but because they were the best. is a fantastic definition for Atalanta, European war. There is a desire to still to still be very, very good. I think that Atalanta can make another incredible season.
00:31:10
Speaker
don't Don't like the past, but because because it's very, very, very difficult, but Scudetto is a word that around Bergamo, around Zingonia of Atlanta is absolutely not permitted to about, because, repeat, Bergamo is Bergamo's people, Atlanta people, but that's all fun. The major part of family for Tranta was born in Bergamo, in the zone around Bergamo. And this is the zone that Bergamo people only think around work.
00:31:48
Speaker
and behind the work and through the work, we can make the dream the dream true. Okay, so if thecudeto if the if the S word is forbidden for reasons of Scaramancilla, can we say the UCL word, the Champions League? Because in my opinion, honestly, I think the football that Atalanta have played, and they've shown showed it as well, It's a football that you reap the reward more in Europe than you do in the Serie A who's far more tactical. So is there a possibility of something absolutely crazy happening in the Champions League?
00:32:29
Speaker
i speak that I say that in 2020, I was in Lisbon, in Lisbon in the quarterfinal. One way match, one way match, minute match, Pazaric goal made 1-0 for Atalanta against Proeccential Men.
00:32:55
Speaker
I remember that last two minutes are crazy. We lost the 2-1, but I think Atlanta think think about get as high as possible. and we We don't need an objective of quarter-final, of semi-final, or 18-finals. we we made yeah
00:33:22
Speaker
every Every single match and in this in this season, we have a new Champions League ah situation. It's like a season, a small Serie A. It's more, is' morela is' more ah we have one Pacifica, we have many eight many, many, many very, very large discord teams. so But we we we see in 2019, almost in Monte Carlo, that Atlanta, where Atlanta go to play? We'll speak later.
00:34:06
Speaker
Yes, we say, no parli amo. No parli amo. No parli amo doppo. OK, but just before I let you go, you spoke about the people of Bergamo and they they don't talk, they work hard, but they surely just willing the Europa League was an incredible sense of pride and accomplishment. But being in the Super Cup against Real Madrid, Kylian Mbappe, all these superstars. I mean, how excited and proud are the people of Bergamo? This is a historic event, a match that perhaps perhaps could happen to Atlanta once in history. a There will be around 6,000 fans in Versailles. It will be a magical night. The public awaits this match with great emotion and the players also have the same spirit.
00:34:57
Speaker
i think late I think that that after Dublino is the first possibility to play at this level, I think that was the eun unique. I hope no, but I think it's very, very, very difficult to to reach this level. But I think the emotions arrive before the result of the final. Well, the final was important to to win, but Atalanta is not very, very habituated In in in in these ah in these ah in these games,
00:35:41
Speaker
and Ram Madrid made 15 Champions League wins, but only five Super Cup wins. I think that for Ram Madrid, it's a small, small, small Super Cup. And I think it's not important for Real Madrid, the Super Cup. I think have that for Atlanta it's more, more, more, more important. Real Madrid and Caloncellotti, they can consider this match with a friendly match for Real Madrid. I say that, but i i don't I don't believe in that very well.
00:36:23
Speaker
I know, I know. ah All football, all football fans, all cultural fans can relate to this because it's the lies we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel good and make it better. It's the Davila behind Golia match. It's the biggest, which is the smallest. But the smallest has been the Europa League and I think The Atlanta players can make the the for the Atlanta fans and for football fans in the world.
00:37:00
Speaker
100%. And I think, I think I can speak for everyone listening to this, regardless of if they're an Interista, Milanista, Juventus, Roma, aro Roma fan, Lazio, Napoli, whatever. I think everyone feels like this, that if their club doesn't win the Scoredetto, if their club doesn't win, the Champions League, I think every everyone is rooting for Atalanta because of the fact that it's a crazy story. It shouldn't be possible in this insane money ball globalized football that we live in for a club like Atalanta to exist. And I think most people would be, it would be good for football either. I would go so far as to say that. I think that the mystery ah more emotional.
00:37:44
Speaker
from, for example, Leicester history. Leicester win the Premier League, yeah the biggest ah competition for clubs in the world. But after this, Leicester is go down. Ataranta from eight years is at the top of Serie A competition, is a six times in Europe competition. the next season was the is the fourth Champions League participation. I think it's very, very, very incredible and crazy for the little situation that like Atlanta in Bergamo and in the Serie A.
00:38:29
Speaker
It's crazy. It really is a favola. It really is a favola. Thank
Conclusion and Fabio's Upcoming Book
00:38:35
Speaker
you so much for joining us Fabio. If people want to find you on social media, which platform are you on and what is your at so they can follow you? it can I'm ah in Facebook and in Instagram like Radiodia is my page and is the page and where every day I put the last news around Atalanta and I vote into the sport, I vote in Primo Verdemo but Radiodia is my point of interest for all Atalanta interested. When is the book coming out?
00:39:13
Speaker
and The book is necessary. for feet in ah in ah in in the history that I've seen, I think around the end of September, nice October, is ready. I had made in a few weeks ah is is now in the final edition, final reading, but I think is a very, very, very emotional
00:39:46
Speaker
but but because I I must to fix the all matches played in the league with with prima durante and doppo chapter. I need the to fix the situation before the match, during the match and after the match. In context with Copa Italia competition, Serie A competition, we had we seen Atalanta play the final of Cup of Italy in Rome with Juventus and seven days later the doubling final with Bailen and Kozen.
00:40:28
Speaker
It was a season very, very, very crazy. And I tried to write it on the paper, all the emotion that I had in my heart, in my heart on 13. matches in Bergamo and around of Europe. I was present in order. That's amazing. um We'll definitely be sharing the links to that book when it's out. I'll be buying it. I made i made it. i made that okay I'll be buying it and when I come to Milan and you're in Milan, I would love it if you could sign a copy for me as well. Yes, yes we joined we join.
00:41:09
Speaker
Perfect. Thank you so much again, Fabio. Everybody else, we will be back tomorrow for the Q and&A episode. Make sure to stay tuned for that. Until next time, take care of yourselves and each other. Ciao, ciao.