Insidious (2011)

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Speaker: Who are you? And it said. It was a visitor. I said what do you want?

Speaker: I can still hear that voice.

Speaker: We're back. Rick, we had a little uncertainty as to what we would be covering this week. But ah we've gotten and it sorted out. we We did watch the same movie. It sounds like that we can now cover for today's pod.

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Speaker: Because he's like 30 pounds. We got coyotes that hang out like right next to our house because we back up to Cherry Creek State Park. They look cute. Not that friendly, but they look cute. A time I see a coyote.

Speaker: I just get the... I get the impulse to start just. Blasting audio slave. When, uh... A coyote crosses the street. The Twilight LA scenes of Collateral.

Speaker: Yes, yes. But. You know, I'm not Michael Mann. So I can't do that. Well, this is the Sunday Scaries. I'm Travis Telerik. I'm Ricky Townsend.

Speaker: We are covering James Wan's 2011 wide release Insidious. Um, Man, it's really hard not to just want to jump into production notes here because we've already covered Juan's conjuring.

Speaker: franchise again that he directed the first two installments of and then has stayed on as producer for the latter installments in once like you know one of the biggest names in horror I think what he has done between saw and the conjuring movies and insidious and even malignant, like he.

Speaker: He knows how to get a good scare out of people. He is an engineer. He's clinical, we've said before, with scaring. his audience and this was one of his early installments of where he really evidences that You haven't already caught along to this point.

Speaker: The couple's son is. lost in the further, which is. where people who astral project go. And he went too far. and he can't get back to his body. Obviously this week.

Speaker: Insidious 6 comes out. And so when people are listening to this. Um, I'm sure there's... There's some some maybe excitement, some trepidation, some exhaustion about this franchise that has.

Speaker: has not really uh, muscled itself into a a strong... six piece of, of just solid films across the board. But you can't deny that when Juan has his arms around.

Speaker: at least the first two installments that they're going to be good. yeah I know we'll want to talk a lot more about him in production notes. But before we get into that. Rick, this movie was, again, it released at film festivals in 2010, but wide released 2011. Did you see it in theaters when it came out?

Speaker: No, remember you We did this whole thing where we, we put together 10 movies. Oh, yeah you haven't even seen, this was your first time seeing it. You put it on the list. Yeah. Oh my goodness. I forgot. Yeah, wow this and possession are two huge, big blind spots that I've been very happy to ah clear up the last few weeks. Wow.

Speaker: Okay. Well, I can speak to it then. Because I did see this in theaters and it was terrifying. I mean, I had to be. 21 at the time, so I was at SMU. This must have been a great theatrical experience. We had a run of films that were...

Speaker: extremely terrifying. um from The Ring to The Descent to Insidious to The Conjuring. But you also had a lot of shitty movies in the 2000s, though, too. oh You got it. you had a ton of really bad flops a ton of like next installment sequels for old slashers that were Cheaply made.

Speaker: Or just or just the torture the torture porn era that we were in. Yeah, I mean, it's a good point. I don't want to paint with too broad a brush stroke where it sounds like everything's good from this time period. I just think there are some movies and maybe it's emblematic of.

Speaker: My age. uh being a young adult at the time but that were extremely scary and have stayed with me through today and this was actually my first time going back to watch it in what 15 years I noticed it was a number 52 on your top 200 scaries.

Speaker: It still delivers. Maybe some of the luster is worn off. but only slightly. It's still definitely on the list, probably still in the top 100. TBD on that.

Speaker: We're all waiting. Um... it's It's interesting for me watching it. so much later ah after it's... debut to be able to have seen what this movie spawned. I kind of consider this.

Speaker: This is like a perfect encapsulation of... the end of schlocky self -serious Um, gory 2000s movies and the beginning of like you said clinical um jump scare haunted house not always having to be r -rated movies And obviously James Wan is at the forefront of that. But what's weird is that.

Speaker: He got his start. He and Lee. Lee Wendell will talk about it in production notes more. They got their start kind of kicking off the torture porn craze. Yep, 100%. And so he's been able to cash in on um on two different movements. this one being a lot more lasting and and bringing us to multiple franchises that have to do with hauntings and possessions and in this case both.

Speaker: um But I think... ah What I was most impressed by was just... its scrappiness i mean this is clearly a low budget film and ah not clearly as in like You can notice all the seams.

Speaker: But it's two locations. It's got a lot of handhelds. Not a huge cast by any means. Although they get some scream queens. Shout out to... uh lynn shea um and Rose Byrne And Rose Byrne. I mean, she was only 31 in this movie. yeah But I really liked it. I think it's i think my only knock is like it does seem to live and die by jump scares versus...

Speaker: atmosphere. and and situational horror. because this it does seem like juan and composer um Joseph Ashara, his strings and his in his score plus Juan's. proclivities for jump scares seems to be a match made in heaven. I do wonder, like does that last? like Were you still...

Speaker: Jump in. and that you still find this movie scary. Yeah, like... It... Having watched The Conjuring so recently with you as well, rewatch that.

Speaker: I think this really lays the blueprint for one making the conjuring that that is the better film. It's the scarier film. It's still scary. today. um because I think he builds up. the dread in it a lot more And so here you see the seeds of it planted.

Speaker: And there are some. pretty good scares i mean we'll we'll talk about some highlights here But... But yeah, to that point, I think that's why when I was earlier mentioning, maybe it's lost just a slight bit of luster. It's a must watch to be clear for horror fans.

Speaker: Yeah, you can also kind of see like ah some of the effects that they use with low frame rate, slow mo and like. overexposed kind of dream sequences.

Speaker: There's moments that it really feels like a movie stuck in the 2000s, and then it'll have moments that feel like it pioneered something in the 2010s with... boom, all of a sudden you have the strings. like it It felt like it was teetering the line between something, leaving something that the whole decade was steeped in and then doing something new with a tight story. It felt like it was walking a tightrope between.

Speaker: two decades, which it is. I mean, it came out right at the end of one, beginning of the other. But one decade I thought about a lot. A lot. Uh, I mean, this is this is poltergeist.

Speaker: To me. yeah Like. Talk about it. I mean... Yes, it's not. It's not a haunting of a house. Right? It's a haunting of a boy.

Speaker: So technicalities aside, There's so many story beats, character decisions, and character and character dynamics that... Like. make me think of Poltergeist. So... You have two young parents.

Speaker: with multiple kids. um and they lose one of their kids To. Eight. entity. that's in another dimension. And in Poltergeist, the physical body and the soul is gone. They don't know where she is. In this, it's just his soul. but the the The damage is the same. I mean, your kid is not there. Right. And it's a dimension where malevolent entities exist.

Speaker: uh, that same entity or other entities that makes the house feel haunted. It moves chairs, things up appear here and there. um It gets so bad that they have to bring in an elderly woman who is an expert in the occult. So you have a Zelda Rubenstein. The highest squeaky voice.

Speaker: Right. Stand in for, uh, with Lynn Shay, who's, uh, A scream queen in her own right. But at the end of the day, it's it's ah it's one of the parents that has to go into that dimension to save the kid, just like what the mom had to do with the rope and all that. and so There's a there's just a lot of beats that that ring very poltergeisty to me. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing. And I think they know it.

Speaker: Did you did you and I was going to save this for deep cuts, but there's more deep cuts we can dive into. Did you see the. like clear nod to poltergeist like there's a very clear moment. No.

Speaker: So it's when... um Lee Whannell's character. is recovering after an i'll run in with these spirits and he's in the kitchen and he's He's icing his head with... with a big slab of meat.

Speaker: Oh, yeah. but the Yeah. With the slaw mistake. That's right. slab of steak that in one of the visions that another Ghostbuster was having in Poltergeist. It was like moving on its own and had maggots everywhere. So. I thought that was a cute little. ah Like, hey, thanks.

Speaker: Thanks for the inspo. yeah Yeah, I definitely agree. I think it's funny because in Poltergeist. Zelda Rubinstein makes a very big point of differentiating.

Speaker: A haunting. from a possession. where a poltergeist is a haunting specific to the home. But at least in this one. We fall more into the possession camp. because they do move homes.

Speaker: And the entity follows them, right? it's ah It's specific to the person, not the house. But isn' it yeah isn't it a bit of both though? Like because the kid is not possessed His body, it's the threat of possession. that makes him haunted.

Speaker: You know, because of possession means that they've taken control of the body. A haunting means that ghosts are kind of... occupying a space. or near it. And it's gotten yeah kind of in the middle of both of those.

Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I think the ghost doll, when they move homes, the ghost... just happily move with them to the new home. um So it wasn't as location dependent as maybe Poltergeist. is very specifically driven because those...

Speaker: Sons of a bitch. knew that there was bodies buried there on that Indian cemetery and they still built the homes over them. but as at the famous line in this movie, right. And then all the marketing was like, the house isn't haunted. The boy is.

Speaker: I do think it's a middle ground of like... Is he possessed? No. but he might be, and that's why he's haunted. Like they're all circling his body like a bunch of vultures. Mm hmm. What'd you, uh... Did you think that like, because Phantom Menace... was...

Speaker: Nine years ago, Darth Maul was just... He was needing work at this point and he wanted to venture into. Yeah. I mean, man, when Darth Maul was first released for phantom menace like there's not a lot of redeeming features about that film other than He looked so damn cool.

Speaker: And so damn scary. Yeah, and so um I could see maybe... and mad man then Yes. Yes. Well, of course. That's our boy, John Williams. like he's never going to miss.

Speaker: but um yeah And this is maybe an unclear portion of the film. because there's both ghosts, but also, like, Demons like non Worldly spirits also kind of chilling.

Speaker: in this ah further, as they label it, this liminal space. between life and death. And this spirit specifically, one of the the main.

Speaker: Bads here. Looks just like Darth Maul. Yeah, and he crawls on the wall like a spider, which if you know your Star Wars lore... ah after Darth Maul falls into the pit at the end of episode one.

Speaker: and he gets bisected, chopped in half. He is put back together and made into a mechanical spider. his His lower torso is a spider. I did not know this. Wait, is this canon?

Speaker: It is canon because they explore this in like. Star Wars Clone Wars. oh I had no idea. And then there's a... ah I think my brother's watching like a Darth Maul animated show right now.

Speaker: And. Now he has his normal legs back, but they're they're kind of mechanical still. There's not a big spider. Now they're like just metal. normal legs. He's he's a bipedal again. to But I will say... Don't know, he's still kicking.

Speaker: Darth Darth Darth Mollus like jokes aside, I kind of respect going back to the classic like red look for a demon. You know, we I feel like we're... we're kind of afraid to do that. It's like, ah, we can't, that's too cliche. It's gotta be.

Speaker: white or like starkly black. Like, let's let's... Let's bring it back. Let's bring it back to the OG. like blood red look and in this case it's not blood red it's lipstick red because i believe that the character's name is lipstick face which Oh. i did not know that either lipstick face demon is joseph bashar's name in this movie What's up?

Speaker: So, production notes. You want to speak to how this film came about? um Yeah, so... i mean i think you can't really talk about how this film came about unless you talk about James Wan and um Lee Wendell, and they met.

Speaker: at an Australian film school. bonded over their love of many different types of movies. ah the poltergeist being one of them. um And they graduated. Broke. Working while broke, but at nighttime making...

Speaker: shorts. And one of those shorts that they made was a 16 millimeter short. called Saw. which features the famous reverse bear trap scene. And honestly, their their trajectory is a very traditional one. It's one that you...

Speaker: every aspiring filmmaker hopes that they you know find themselves in this position but Lionsgate saw this short. uh saw saw promise here and then Greenlit a $1 .2 million dollars project that became Saw, which they ended up making $100 million. dollars They dabbled with... um dead silence in the studio system. And then just James Wan did death sentence. Both these movies just did not work.

Speaker: Yeah. I think they're both in interviews kind of say that. They had followed the money.

Speaker: They followed like a studio system and tried to get bigger. And ah more eyeballs. And it was a return to basics with Insidious. They looked back at the success of Saw and was like, let's do this again. Let's let's have a lower budget. But with less money, we get more creative control. And that was exactly Blumhouse's business model, what what it had started to become at that point, at least. it was a perfect time for them to meet because Blumhouse, honestly, who was...

Speaker: Just coming off of the insane so the most movie of all time in paranormal activity in 2007. Paranormal. Yeah. And so it. Insidious exists because of Saw.

Speaker: And I think. uh given the the boon that was filmmaking at the time and the you know 2002 was the most tickets sold ever. I think we've still peaked at that point for the movies and we were still coming off that high. And I don't think it mattered that dead silence and death sentence didn't work because I think blum Jason Blum saw that...

Speaker: Okay. this is what they can do at a studio system, but I know what they can do with more freedom and less money. So let's do that. And that's where Insidious came into play. Yeah. In. I also have to add to that, Kawan's on record saying that.

Speaker: This is a point you made earlier. Saw is an R -rated movie. It's pretty gory. It's emblematic of... you know the torture porn of the time And Juan says, well, I think I can make a PG -13 movie, which is important because there's a lot more mass appeal. You could get a lot more butts in seats, right, with a PG -13 horror film.

Speaker: And so he he pivots a bit from very grisly. um a lot of gore and he says i think i can still make a very scary film without that.

Speaker: I think the scares can you know supersede. Needed to see multiple characters get killed off. in horrible fashion. And I think he ultimately succeeds with Insidious and then copies that formula.

Speaker: um when he does The Conjuring a few years later. It's funny because with The Conjuring, On paper, that movie should be P to 13. There is no gore. There is. No so language. wait Oh, The Conjuring was rated R. I forgot. It was truly rated R for being... too scary wow which i you know i I think works. I mean, that's a good feather to have in your cap. um What is it about Juan you think that like...

Speaker: His kernels of ideas, and I should say Lee, too. Lee Wannell is... Mm -hmm. you know, a longtime collaborator. And I think what, what he brings to the table is like, he. takes Juan's visions. and and is able to like.

Speaker: tightly construct them into like... real digestible narratives and like some humanity into them but is it is it that partnership that you think makes these things flourish into billion dollar franchises is it like Is it just the timing of it? because I mean... It almost seemed like from 2004 to 2000.

Speaker: 12. 13. For 10 years anything this guy touched him and lee really spawned a franchise and like successful franchises like that. Yeah, it's a good question for like whether it was just...

Speaker: fortuitous timing if i mean we've said about one before i just think he He is really reverse engineered. How to scare someone. um So that doesn't quite apply to the Aquaman installments he did, but at least for Saw. Amber Heard's in that and she's pretty scary.

Speaker: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Protect your sheets. Um, It's a shitty joke. Yeah. Um...

Speaker: Piazzoo! Now, I mean... You get enough hits like Juan's had now when his name's attached to a film. I think that alone can put butts in seats, and that's how you've seen these franchises surviving.

Speaker: Many, many installments, even though Ron's now just like a producer EP on them. But he he sets a great footprint. He gets those initial scares where...

Speaker: Hey. then i think people are just willing to return and say hey i want to taste it out again he's he is the household name i feel like with horror movies now yeah you have a new generation of directors and Peel and Eggers and...

Speaker: um, as serve Yeah, you're right. It's a new generation of filmmakers, but i don't you can't talk about the 2000s. He had a stranglehold. so to speak. on the genre for for for two decades.

Speaker: and uh Does he still have the juice? I haven't seen Malignant. You'll have to tell me if if he still has that fastball. Malignant's really good. i'm i'm Honestly, I liked it watching it, and I'm warming up on it now that more time has gone by where I want to see it again.

Speaker: and i Don't forget Furious 7. The one that made us cry. Okay. That's true. i mean i I see him as like, I think he rescued i think he rescued us from a pretty dire situation.

Speaker: like He made the 2000s. bearable. like saw is at one of the lone bright spots of the 2000s and then he crystallizes all the ideas and lessons that we've learned from what wasn't working in the two thousands. And.

Speaker: And perfected. The model of the 2010s. And what's funny is that. none a thing Nothing that he did was really elevated horror. There was no... allegories to trauma it's just like haunted house possession scary stories without having to stretch it into some type of social commentary.

Speaker: But out of this partnership, Lee Wennell also has his own... unique you know We talk about all these people. like playing double duty. So Joseph Bashara. not only plays the demon in most of James Wan movies, but he's usually his composer. You have James Wan who's not always just directing and co -writing, but he's edited this film. He's an editor.

Speaker: on oh Insidious. And Lee Wendell. is, uh, Not only. acting in some of these movies usually in comedic roles Um, but he's writing and has since gone off to direct movies of his own right.

Speaker: um a slow start for him But. and's Invisible Man. Is ah is like a. Invisible Man was very good. One of the biggest hits of... of, of COVID. Um, yeah. I know you don't like Wolfman. I go to bat for Wolfman. I think Wolfvision is a revelation. And it's awesome.

Speaker: I think had the character design been a little better that we would have been and would be saying different things. um But yeah, and and a lot of people go to bat for Upgrade too. I don't know if you've seen Upgrade, but people love that. I haven't seen Upgrade.

Speaker: um with, ah what's his face? Logan Marshall Green. um He's a technophobe who has implanted a chip that allows him to control his body after ah a mugging left him paralyzed. And then he gets he gets a little crazy. But another Blumhouse picture. Almost RoboCop.

Speaker: Very Robocop. Um... And then what else did we come out of this partnership? Oh. um In 2024... Blumhouse and Atomic Pictures, which is James Wan's production company, they merged and they still operate under separate banners.

Speaker: but um They are now under the same. overarching banner. And... you know share those assets and stuff like that. Well, it wasn't just you know big name crew, but we also have a very big name cast in this film.

Speaker: Um, Again, it's very cool because Patrick Wilson gets cast as the male lead in this film in Insidious. who Juan then returns a few years later for his conjuring. universe And so like Juan's two biggest horror franchises, at least they stuck with, I mean, I guess Saza as well. You you mean his two, well, his biggest.

Speaker: Ever. would be Aquaman, which is packed. Oh, well, Patrick Wilson is still in that too. Wait, oh, that's a great point. Oh my goodness. This is his guy. Okay. Yeah, that completely went over my head. You're you're absolutely right.

Speaker: I think despite The Conjuring being a billion -dollar franchise, I think the two Aquaman movies easily surpass it as making more than the whole franchise itself. So Patrick Wilson is the male lead here. And then we get Rose Byrne, who we've covered one of her horror films already in 28 Weeks Later.

Speaker: um also we were talking about phantom menace wasn't she in that wasn't she one of the uh Podme doubles. Or is she only in... Episode two, Attack of the Clones. Now I'm looking at her filmography.

Speaker: She plays the decoy. uh padme Yeah, okay. I thought the decoys were in. Phantom Menace as well. Also, not really horror, maybe horror adjacent, but Sunshine.

Speaker: You said her Sunshine Horror? it's It's a little scary. It's a thriller. Wow, that's a great question. Um... It's so sci -fi heavy with horror elements, but I don't think I would ever put it on a horror list.

Speaker: It's funny because i I like that film a lot. I like Event Horizon a lot and they're not too different. In Event Horizon, I think everyone would consider a horror film. so It's just tough for you to draw the line sometimes.

Speaker: um But then also Lin Shay, who's... Like you've mentioned a few times now. A true scream queen. I love her filmography because she only does really two types of movies. She does horror.

Speaker: Or she does Farley Brothers movies. They constantly cast her in you know Dumb and Dumber. There's something about Mary, me, myself, and Irene. And sos in Kingpin as well. So she's doing comedies with the ah Farley Brothers.

Speaker: or she's in a horror film. So can can i can I give you a Lin Shay story real fast? so When I was... Eleven. And my brother was nine.

Speaker: We recreated the first 12 minutes of Dumb and Dumber. With my mom's VHS camera. um Yeah. And. Uh... I mean, we we were filming at the airport. This was like four months before 9 -11. So we could like filmed at the gate. Like we were with them. briefcase and stuff.

Speaker: um Well, my mom played Mrs. uh Newgiborn. which is played by Lin Shay. And yeah. Probably my favorite part of our little Dumb and Dumber movie.

Speaker: is My brother getting Mrs. Noogie Borns. Name Wrong by Kalina Neugeberger. which is like the best part. ah ah He's like,

Speaker: I'm sorry, Mrs. Noogie Burger. My mom's like, Noogie Bourne! And I remember watching that in the editing room, meaning in my computer. room being 11 years old being so scared of my mom because she's the nicest lady in the world

Speaker: But she's a hell of an actress because... Mrs. Noogieborn is not happy to be called Mrs. Noogieburger. and my mom put on the scout she pulled her hair up she had a trench coat and so uh whenever i think of lynn shea i think of my mom too because she she played an iconic lynch mrs newki For your Dumb and Dumber adaptation. Got it. Got it.

Speaker: Mm -hmm. You know, Barbara Hershey's in this as well, who's in a few horror films. She's the mom in ah Black Swan. She was also in Strange Darling, which was around three years ago.

Speaker: Oh, wow. Yeah. Did that did Black Swan release 2011 as well? No, it was 2010, which is Insidious' is like official. release date because it came out in tiff got it when it when it say came out at the film festivals yep That's a one -two punch from Robert Hershey. Probably filming on me up back -to -back, yeah.

Speaker: Leave on out. Like we said, um plays a role in this as well. Him and Angus Sampson. I'm not as familiar with him. oh he has mad Loaded filmography. I'm trying to remember who he is from Mad Max. He's the doctor. You one you were going to have a baby boy.

Speaker: A healthy baby boy. And he's in Furiosa as well. Yeah, they bring the comedy here. Um, And then, like you said, Joseph Bashar. Always. ah I think he's a composer first.

Speaker: But one likes to put him as his demon in his films because he he is a scary looking individual. I don't know if you've seen, it's just normal. headshot but um He has like penciled on eyebrows. He looks bal he looks like he belongs in the system of a down.

Speaker: Yes, yes, 100%. Um, But yeah, so that's most of it on cast. We talked about crew box office. So again, this is after some misses for Juan.

Speaker: In dead silence. And what what was the other film? I don't even remember the name of it. Dead Silence and Death Sentence, very similarly named. death Yes, yes. um And so Saw did great. He has a few misses.

Speaker: And then when this releases. it It makes what? 13 .3 million opening weekend. goes on to Rose worldwide over a hundred billion. Yep.

Speaker: Yeah. yep Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's it's exactly... This is why Blum... is a genius and it's We're now sitting a few months after Backrooms and Obsession that just came out, and Blumhouse is just...

Speaker: say what you want about where James Wan is at these days. and you know more acting as a producer but like this is the blum formula it's the exact reason that he plucked them out of quasi filmmaker jail after those two duds.

Speaker: The exact reason he picked them for what he thought they could do they did They shot for three weeks. That is crazy. Three weeks, less than $2 million, dollars and they earned $100 million. It's like it's it is like the Blum formula.

Speaker: To a tee. It's awesome. Mm hmm. Yeah, super tight filming schedule. I forgot about that. Um... Alright. Well, let's move to awards. We start spoiling the film, and let's first talk about our Scorometer here.

Speaker: Right. Ready? Three. Two. One. 7 .5. Thank you. What? Since when can we do decimals? i've i've done I haven't done my, I've done a Decibel before. Really? Okay.

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Speaker: we'll We'll just have to leave it at 725. And I know that's going to be on our scarier. Rank your films. That has to be, i I give us grace to adjust this if we somehow have inadvertently made it scarier than The Conjuring.

Speaker: I think you would agree with me that The Conjuring is the scarier film. Condren's 8. Okay. it's our That was our average. Okay. Yep. It's our only eight because Ring is our only nine and Chondrians are only eight.

Speaker: Yeah, those are our two scariest films to date. Yeah, and I think... um bring her back as a 7 .5. Yeah. That sounds right too. I think bring her back is still scarier than this film, but this, uh, This sounds like it could be close after those three.

Speaker: Yeah. Scary movie. Yeah, well, we'll talk about some of the scares here in a minute. And actually, my highlight has to deal with that as well. So we just jump right into those. Let's hear it.

Speaker: i I love the sequence near the start of the film in the first house. um Their son. um Oh wait. Wait, I'm back. Let's really quick see.

Speaker: Um, That would put it. below bring her back, but above long legs. Long legs being a seven, bring her back being a seven and a half. I think this is scarier than long legs.

Speaker: Yeah. I like where it is. Yeah, okay, 725. what number What number is it? a Number four. It's our fourth scariest movie. Actually, Juan has two of our top six because he did The Conjuring 2.

Speaker: Sorry, three of our top six. Nice. Yeah, he makes scary movies. Um, So my my highlight here is... um This is when Rose Byrne starts to figure out something weird is going on at the home because she hears the baby monitor. She runs up to see their baby.

Speaker: and there's a figure outside the window And just all hell breaks loose after that because she starts. crying or yelling out for Patrick Wilson. Not just out the window, it's it's it's like...

Speaker: in front of the window right behind the Pass the bat. Oh, yeah. We may not have played in different parts of the film. Kit was... Let's see if I have it in my notes, but... Yeah If...

Speaker: It's later that night. because she's seen the figure, but Patrick Wilson wasn't home. She's confessing to Patrick Wilson. She thinks she saw someone. And that is when they hear.

Speaker: you know but A loud sound. The alarm goes off. Patrick Wilson runs out of the room. The front door is wide open. And he starts like search around the home, you know goes and grabs the fire poker to deal with whatever it is And it's it's good. It's not.

Speaker: As dread -inducing, it's more like... Frantic and high action, but it's a really cool set piece where they're like sweeping the home trying to figure out what's going on And it definitely fuels the flame of like.

Speaker: What the hell is wrong with this house or what is going on in this moment? Well, it's ah it's also a frustrating scene because you see Rose Byrne getting more and more frantic about like, do you not see this shit? You see Patrick Wilson seeing this shit.

Speaker: But... Not believing it. He's... He's... Hearing these noises, he's not maybe not seeing ah and hearing exactly what she's seeing and hearing. but enough weird shit's happening that if i was him i would I'd be.

Speaker: I'd be getting a priest a little sooner. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be moving out of that house a little sooner. it took another incident for him to finally be like all right fine we'll move Well, they do but ah didn't help.

Speaker: um One of my highlights, I like it for similar reasons that you like yours, and it's that it it continues to ratchet up the stakes and and increase the the tension and intensity of the movie. and um It's Barbara Hershey's story. And yeah from the moment she said something earlier, like...

Speaker: When she's looking at the photo and. of Patrick Wilson. And Rose Byrne and one of their kids, she's like, wow, he's. He stood still that long. And it's like such a weird throwaway line.

Speaker: And they they they kind of breadcrumb, they tease a bit like that. that there's a secret at play and it. Even though you knew there was going to be a secret, it makes the reveal. no less cathartic and interesting and scary.

Speaker: that this ability to astral project is is genetic and passed down so his dad can do this so he can go save his son. um She talks about how scary the demon's voice was. um when She's dreaming.

Speaker: recently about uh all these things happening and she goes into dalton's room and asks a figure that's standing in the corner. Who are you? What do you want?

Speaker: And then it says Dalton, but we don't hear the figure say Dalton's name. She just says it and we see the fear in her yeah face. I just think the way she tells the story. uh the way that she's like,

Speaker: Almost. pained to tell it and It's just... It brings us to. a culminating like third act that is really. so you know Some people have issues with the last half of this movie. I don't. I think it's exciting. It gets very poltergeisty even more so than the first half. um But I just I just loved the the story. kind of synthesizing everything. and getting us to an action plan. It's like, all right.

Speaker: This is why things are happening. This is why we shouldn't be surprised. Now what? And yeah what's Patrick Wilson's role going to be later? it It also leads us into our next award. because it goes directly into what i would say is easily the best jump scare of the film um And I think his evidence is just Juan, again, being very good at what he does. Because when you have Barbara Hershey telling this story.

Speaker: It intercuts between. showing her on the couch telling the story and then the vision itself as she's recounting it. well like gar and I thought they're at a kitchen table. oh we're okay maybe at the kitchen table but back in the home in the middle of the day and you have this classic Horror sense of relief from whenever it cuts from the vision.

Speaker: To them. the cut of her. just telling the story you say well now i'm safe this is like the vision is the scary part but when you see her face you're like okay i can breathe easy now and then right as she finishes the story it cuts to patrick wilson's face as he's listening to her tell the story and you have uh old lipstick face just directly behind his head. It's very reminiscent of The Ring.

Speaker: right when they're telling the story about how they found the girl's body when they're at the wake. And then it cuts to the image of the girl's body in the closet, which is one of the best jump scares of all time. And so this is kind of channeling some of that magic here for what I would say is my favorite jump scare of the film. although there are quite a few jump scares.

Speaker: It's funny because... uh, The wands jump scares. despite them being very good, sometimes they are telegraphed and they're often at night and it's after a lot of silence.

Speaker: He kind of goes against type here. and Yeah. And does the mid conversation. Daylight jump scare. um Yes, that is. I think that's the most talked about jump scare. It's the most well executed.

Speaker: and it's the one that if you don't mention you're not doing the movie really any justice. Um, It's not the one that got me the most, though. Oh, we'll catch you in a month. I haven't jumped.

Speaker: this much. In a movie. in years. It was baby monitor scene that we already kind of talked about, but. Maybe it's because I'm alone in this house. Sarah's in Philly right now working on a show. And so I'm alone in this old.

Speaker: rickety house on a top of a hill. And I was watching it at night. There was something about that figure. being so close to that baby's crib and so close to Rose Byrne.

Speaker: That just, at fuck it just like. I left out of my skin, dude. I was so scared. Yeah, I had that. I had that on my list of jump scares as well. It was like an automatic oh shit.

Speaker: Yeah. um So that's my, I mean, I think yours is the jump scare award. winner it is the it's the it is that it's one of those iconic horror film jump scares that's talked about you know decades later Although I wish it.

Speaker: I hadn't seen the image so many times though. you You had seen it or you hadn't seen it before? I have. So I knew when that scene came up, I could tell from the wall like the wallpaper and the setting, and i okay, this is going to happen soon. but yeah Yeah, we'll have to do like a best jump scares of all time.

Speaker: Lest at some point. I think of The Exorcist 3 probably has. the most iconic or what a lot of people hails the best of all time the ring um Like we were just talking about this one.

Speaker: probably the hands clapping from the conjuring as well that's a really yeah i mean that movie has a lot of really good ones but that's probably the most iconic from that film um smile when her sister approaches the car.

Speaker: And you don't see her head because she approaches like the car window while the main character is sitting in the car. And then you just see her head roll down. That one. That one made me poop my pants, man.

Speaker: You almost whipped your pants, huh, Trav? Yeah. Glad you did. All right. When was the last time you pooped your pants? you You don't want to know the answer to that one. More recent than you think.

Speaker: what Was it a work thing? As an adult, it has happened. It's happened to all. dude We're getting older, dude. our Our assholes are getting looser. Our bowels are getting more. Rumbly. Yeah.

Speaker: i ah I don't want to share a poop my pants story, but I'll give you a... a puke story that in place of that you might enjoy in college I was a ah summer camp counselor at Camp Ozark.

Speaker: Camp Ozark is in Mount Ida or right near Mount Ida, Arkansas, near Hot Springs, Arkansas. And it's a really... well -to -do camp like the kids who go there you know The parents are paying a lot of money to send their kids to summer camp for a week.

Speaker: I was a counselor. I was making decent money out of good time. But some of these kids, I was stuck with like. 10 -year -olds the entire summer. and i i've worked with kids a lot in college i volunteered i was a youth group leader But some of these kids just were on your nerves and it was pizza night.

Speaker: where they'd bring a pizza for you and your cabin to split or a few pizzas and then like two liters of coca -cola and we're eating a lot of pizza, drinking a lot of Coke, and one of my 10 -year -olds comes right up to my face and burps as loud as he can directly in my face.

Speaker: And it was disgusting. And so. as the adult. in the room i decided to put him in his place but i took a huge swig of my coke and i mustered the biggest burp i could possibly force out and unfortunately i mustered a bit too much and i literally projectile vomited all over this 10 year old you puked on a 10 -year -old. I puked on a 10 year old. Immediately cleaned him up, told him never tell anyone about this. He was in shock. You know and yeah he is told.

Speaker: He's probably a therapist. I made it out that summer without getting fired. So at at least. The secret didn't escape while I was still there. but um ah Apologies if ah this podcast ever makes it big enough where he listens to this down the road.

Speaker: I do owe him an apology for... Wow. Taking a bit too far. Punishment by vomit. Yeah. That's sick man. Yeah.

Speaker: My kids were angels the rest of the week after that, though after they saw what I was capable of. They're like, this guy's a sick fuck. i'm not I'm not crossing him. Wait, was it like on his face or on his head? like Yeah, there it was mainly face and shoulders and torso. And there were witnesses who saw this.

Speaker: Just the kids. is there like a peer Is there like a quarterly review you have to get? And like was that brought up? No, no one saw it. Right, I mean... Baby. Outside of like the kids there, you're probably one of the first people who are hearing this story.

Speaker: Wow, you've told a lot of secrets on this pod. and Anna knows this story. You accidentally kissed somebody's forehead without... wanting to. Yeah. What's with you? yeah What's with you? look up again accidentally kissing and vomiting on people's heads. There's something happening here. Don't put your head near me, man. Only bad things are going to happen. We need to re revisit this sometime, Trav. I'm going to think about what's going on here.

Speaker: Um... I peed my pants recently. Nice. Drinking related? No. laughing too hard. Neither. uh was just just let a film shoot stuck upstairs Couldn't.

Speaker: Couldn't go downstairs because the VIP was being interviewed and I. There was no, I couldn't. flush the bathroom. the toilet because it would be too loud. i didn't like fully pima i just like I had a spurt.

Speaker: come out to the point where you can see it on my shorts. Oh no, man. No one saw it. Okay. Well, I'm glad we're sharing these secrets with each other. um Speaking of cringy things, should we move to our cantaloupe award?

Speaker: One of the first times they didn't have one. I could not. I, uh, nothing really gross happened. And, um, I was. I guess I was like, Hence, during...

Speaker: the same moment i mentioned for the jump scare which is why it got me so well so i'm kind of double dipping but i i couldn't think of an isolated incident where I was... extra tense other than just being ready for a jump scare to happen yeah again he does he does this a lot better i think the conjuring of drawing out a lot longer and tenser moments I mean, at the very start of the film, you don't really know what's going on and you see Rose Byrne first go into the attic.

Speaker: And then you see Dalton go into the attic as well to try to. climb up on that ladder to turn on the light. That's about as tense as I'm getting there. you know Something's going to go wrong.

Speaker: He ends up just, I mean. I guess that's the catalyst for. What causes him to travel too far when he... knocks himself out, falling off the ladder. But leading up to that, I i was slightly tense. If I had to give it to one moment, it'd be those attic trips at the very beginning.

Speaker: Did you have an attic growing up? um Yeah. I think most homes have addicts, but not... not one that I could walk up to via the staircase. I feel like the further you go East in the country, there's less. Yeah. It's.

Speaker: Oh, there's less addicts? Yeah, because like in California. We... The idea of a basement was foreign to me, but everybody had an attic. Whereas like. I'm...

Speaker: Now on the East Coast and every house that I visited, Sarah's parents here. Um, a coworker's like. There's basements, but no attics. So maybe this is real estate corner. You shouldn't prove me wrong. I'm just going off on but my own. Most homes should.

Speaker: have it's usually beneficial to have an attic for your home. Um, For. insulating. I've always heard that it's better for your family if you don't have an attic.

Speaker: because Having an addict in your family really brings up a lot of pain. and It's costly to go to rehab and stuff, especially depending on what they're addicted to.

Speaker: So. I don't know if I would say it's a good thing. all Alright. We got a real jokester here. Um, Yeah, but that not as much cantaloupe nominees here. um I don't have any candlelit monomies. I have a shit ton of deep cuts.

Speaker: I have one deep cut. I usually break down, so I was proud of myself. for Do it, Trav. Do it big. We got um Tiny Tim. and uh his song tiptoe through the tulips playing from the record scratch

Speaker: With me.

Speaker: My my god Yeah, with his iconic high voice and so, um... You know, for Pashara really doing his own score. Well, I don't know much other than he was a big influence on Weird Al Yankovic.

Speaker: for like alternative singers and I'm a big Weird Al fan. And so... If Weird Al likes him, he's cool with me. You know, that's what I say. What?

Speaker: My question about Tiny Tim, was it a bit? Like, was it an an Andy Kaufman -esque lifelong bit. That he was doing. or is Was it a phase?

Speaker: Because if it... He was committed. I don't know. I mean, you have a lot of people through the, you you mentioned Kaufman, Tiny Tim. Pee Wee Herman. Mr. Bean. There's a lot of... ah people where you can't quite distinguish whether they're creating this false persona creating a character and just playing to it or if this is really Oh, they are. And he's he's one amongst that list.

Speaker: Yeah, some people think it was genuine. Like, he's just... Never knew the man. I know that he he grew up with like an intense... like religious family or something.

Speaker: his Let's hope I give his brief. musical career because that's really the only song he's famous for recording He's listed as an archivist. He's someone who likes to archive things. Yeah.

Speaker: I didn't know that was ah a hobby, which is what tells me it was not a bit. And like, this is just a strange man, strange man. Yeah. What deep cuts do you have, Rick? Okay, so first off...

Speaker: Yes. everybody loves this movie for being low budget. 1 .3 million or whatever. that doesn't mean they didn't get helped out here and there. And I think Penske trucks definitely helped out.

Speaker: It shows. A Penske truck and their full phone number about eight different times. sure Both when they're... They've moved into the new house.

Speaker: and there's a box front and center in one of the scenes, and it's the... Full number. And then when they moved to the next house, you don't just see the boxes. You see the actual fucking truck. So I think they got some kickbacks. You know, grip trucks are not cheap. And I'm assuming maybe Penske was like, hey.

Speaker: but you know, little pay for play here. Like. show our truck a few times you can have a few grip trucks for free to move the gear around You don't get to 1 .3 million without cutting a few corners. Okay. Um...

Speaker: Another one was... ah Did you see the the book that that Rose Byrne had? I never knew. figured out what her Deal was like she has sheet music and she's like she is a music therapist because the book she had was self healing through music by Haley Payton.

Speaker: who's an MD. and a PhD, and the subtitle was how to write and compose. to lead to a better self -esteem. So either she was struggling with self -esteem issues or she wanted to help people.

Speaker: with self -esteem issues. either way Is that a real book? Did you look it up? No, it was me with clip art, it seemed. Um...

Speaker: Speaking of names. Did you catch the chalkboard behind Patrick Wilson when we first see him in his classroom setting? no So there's a... sub thing There's a... There's a list of names.

Speaker: underneath the words. detention like who has detention and it's a bunch of names And then in all big caps, it's James Wan times two. Wait, really? Yes. That's great.

Speaker: A little bit of Curry Barker vibes where it's like... i no there No, that's... I think that's a lot more subtle. Barker's Pub or whatever an obsession was. It was very much front and center.

Speaker: It... it's it is It is more subtle. I just think I think there should be a rule that if you're going to do a name based Easter egg, the director is the only person who can't play that game. or like the actors, like if it's the key grip or the gaffer or like the DIT or something that people don't really know.

Speaker: But like... James Wan. In this film, actually, this is another deep cut. I was going to have a roll right into it. I've never seen a movie. Where it's it's a film by a credit, like a film by James Wan, which comes way before the directed by a credit.

Speaker: has its own... Quasi animation to it It like. It appears into a lamp and then the lamp twists and it comes down. It's like almost like a production company credit. so Maybe James won't get a little high on his supply. Hey. He made a good movie. So yeah whatever works.

Speaker: um But at the bottom of these lists of names that says all these names, the James Wan, the other names, is a little... drawing of Jigsaw. From Saul. Really? Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, man. it's like a Look, you're the astute viewer here. I missed all this. That's great. Well, you know I keep my eyes peeled because I was. scared out of my mind I'm going to see something else.

Speaker: um It's fun doing these because i it's i never I never look them up after. I don't like look up. easter eggs i just try to write them down as i see them but i'm i'm sure there's a list like a buzzfeed list that's like oh the things you missed in the insidious and i'm sure i've missed up but i try to just go off the things that i saw on the first watch um You covered Tiny Tim, which is great.

Speaker: We already talked about Poltergeist. uh, meat. Um...

Speaker: Dr. Hauschka Skincare. Did you notice in the beginning of the movie, there's a moment where Patrick Wilson is like. Rubbing. cream under his eyes and stuff when they're going to bed.

Speaker: Well, he does that and I thought it was gonna be like they're aging quickly like why would they show that he's trying to find a gray hair at his head Rose Byrne has a... gray hair streak in her hair when they go into bed.

Speaker: I was thinking that like maybe that those was a plot development. But dude, then... um after I watched the whole credits, the end credits. When it goes to the producers would like to thank, it's like all skincare companies and cosmetic companies. So I don't know if it was like a partnership with the actors or just like all the makeup from the demons and stuff, but.

Speaker: Big. Big moving truck and big cosmetic companies, I think, helped make. Insidious. Do you think that's why he's lipstick face? i I'm just...

Speaker: I'm making observations. You're making connections. That's why we're talking. opinion um All right, well, let's move to... ah So deaths, very limited.

Speaker: Like, I think we have one, right? So we have to just. do a combo award here And by default, it's going to go to... a Lynn Shea, Dr. Rainier, is that her name, I think?

Speaker: I think she's just lynchee. Yeah, which is a great twist. Did we great rattle off her her her credits? I know you said Fairley Brothers. Yeah, I get you. grouped i i said all our uh Fairly Brothers movies, but I didn't say any of her other horror films. Nightmare on Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street, yeah, is most famous for. as well she's all But she's also in in the meta.

Speaker: Freddy movie. um a new nightmare as a different character. He's like a nurse or something. Yep. She's in the Ouija. Bored movies. Never seen them. She's a... All the answers.

Speaker: O -U -I -J -A a Ouija. it's good oh yeah you weren't allowed to play the ouija board trav i was not i was not at a very religious moment absolutely there was i know it was a it was a portal to hell Mm -hmm.

Speaker: um She's in Dead End. She's on the she's in the garage. She's in Critters. She's in Snakes on a Plane. Lots of different franchises, lots of different horror films. um But yeah, she... um So then Che plays Elise Rainier.

Speaker: And it was a fun ending of. they They do leave it a bit ambiguous. when Patrick Wilson confronts his demon, so to speak, in the... ah The woman in the black wedding gown?

Speaker: And when he's in the further. And you realize at the very end of the film that She's down. Taking a hold of Patrick Wilson and he chokes her out when she takes a photo of him So it's... It's funny. This is the only death in the movie, so it's got to be the best death. But at the same time, I think it's the worst death, at least the filmmakers think.

Speaker: because I started to watch. the second movie. Mm hmm. And... The entire... first 20 minute opening is like a flashback.

Speaker: to... When Lin Shay was younger. The third movie has Lin Shay in it. um she's in every single movie she's in every single movie You're right. She's in every single one. so They had to have regretted killing her off because yeah they...

Speaker: Fucking keep bringing her back somehow. And so whether it be through flashbacks or her ghost or something. Yeah. um But I have to say. Trav.

Speaker: ah So you haven't seen the chapter two, right? No, I have not. I... The. This ending... was such a cliffhanger for me. i like went immediately and started watching chapter two. Cause I was like, Oh, I was very intrigued.

Speaker: They do something so baffling in the beginning of chapter two that has to do with Lin Shay. They cast. this like 22, 23 -year -old blonde girl to play younger Lin Shay.

Speaker: Spitting image of her, like great casting. Mm -hmm. inexplicably They dub her voice with Lin Shay's voice. Like her old lady voice.

Speaker: It is so like uncanny and doesn't work at all. And I was so distracted and I could not. I could not even finish the flashback scene because I was so intrigued by and distracted by what the fuck was happening. I Googled it and apparently... Everybody says the same thing. Everybody's like, this is a bizarre.

Speaker: vaudeville skit that's happening ah That's funny. Yeah, I didn't even watch the second chapter and now I want to watch it just for that. Text me when you start watching it because you'll be like, okay, this is the worst decision ever.

Speaker: Um, But yeah, not too gruesome of a death in a PG -13 movie. So you're choked out and then Rose Byrne comes and discovers your body. And the film ends. Cut to the end credit.

Speaker: Um, Hey, we need to do our Shyamalan twist. And so I guess there's two, that would be one. that ah Patrick Wilson is possessed. the end of the film but i think the bigger twist that drives the plot here is Patrick Wilson has...

Speaker: repressed his memories of he too was a traveler. and experiencing similar instances to his son, Dalton. And so this is kind of a genetic. Um,

Speaker: instance and that allows Patrick Wilson at the end of the film to go into the further to rescue his son. I think... I think that's probably... The biggest twist.

Speaker: I think another one, though, that's maybe the second biggest is the fact. it's And it's tied to ah one of the best lines in the movie, which is, it's not you're the house that's haunted, it's your son.

Speaker: um I think the idea... ah when we don't know what's happening because like you rewatch this movie and so you already know The kid is.

Speaker: is haunted himself. I didn't, I didn't know what the heck was going on. I didn't know why all this bad shit was happening. I thought that that was a great twist too. That is. that it was a human being. That was, uh... haunted, not just the house. possessed.

Speaker: Well... Elise Rainer herself, the exact quote is, It's not the house that is haunted. It's your son. So I'm just going off. Okay. I'm going off a Zelda Rubinstein.

Speaker: But wait, you clear to explain to me, because because... Being possessed means that they occupy... the vessel of your body that Yeah, and I think a haunting is inanimate objects like a house.

Speaker: So again, you you haunt a location or an object, you possess a human. It's like the difference between ah poisonous and venomous? No, I think that's not the same thing at all. I think that...

Speaker: why Wait, so why can't... Why can't a person be haunted? Just because Zelda Rubinstein said it? Yeah. That doesn't make sense because...

Speaker: If ghosts follow me, but they don't possess me, they're haunting me. I'm haunted. But if if they go inside of me and are like moving my arms around, then I'm. Well, why are they there? They're probably messing with you because. the place you're in or the object they're at is where they like to chill.

Speaker: But if I walk from this house down to the library and they're still following me... but they're not inside of me. Aren't I haunted?

Speaker: it's like It's like the rain cloud that follows the sad cartoon character. You could be a bit haunted. I'll allow it. Wow. In all of our years. of ah of our debate podcast and this one. I think this was the... The the quickest you've folded, Trav. I'm very impressed with your humility.

Speaker: I mean, I remember when we watched Poltergeist, I was a little befuddled at two for. exactly how to draw that distinction. Your result is Stan. Mm -hmm. Um,

Speaker: All right. Don't go in there. Okay. I have a big one. Yeah. It's a scene you already mentioned. it's the first time that Rose Byrne getting scared.

Speaker: At least. causes Patrick Wilson to take some sort of action and he runs down the house. He looks out the door. or like looks out the window to in the the light flickers off or something yep He goes and checks somewhere else.

Speaker: Then he goes back to the door and it is wide fucking open. Yep. After having locked it, Mm hmm. And he just... goes back to bed. Like.

Speaker: He... He checks the house and that's it? like Hi. At that point, you leave. That means that somebody entered your home. Yep. I'm with you. he He played that way. The fact that he wasn't immediately ready to move or believing his wife that something shady business was going on but they really glossed over the fact that like there's clearly like a home intruder. The alarm was going off too. And the door was open. Like, yes. what's What more do you want? I know he didn't see the presence, but like someone's clearly in the house.

Speaker: Yeah. That was. That was the dumbest decision I saw. I'm not going to blame the kid for going to the attic. Kids like to go in attics. That seems like it could be the easy one. but ah Yeah. i like I like yours better.

Speaker: i like yours better i'm with you Um, All right, best lines. Oh, man. Um,

Speaker: One of my... Well, I have a few. You go first, because I have a few. I... I really like, so Tucker. um who's one of Lin Che's. assistance.

Speaker: when they first show up to the house. He's like, well, who are you? Patrick Wilson's like, who are you guys? you know She sent us along to do some preliminary tests. Helps weed out the nut jobs.

Speaker: And his delivery is just spot on, especially for a ghost hunter. Oh. they're They're a little bantering. Uh, It was a great. Dude. And I'm going to get ahead of myself. A picture's worth a thousand words, and Specs goes... Words are worth a thousand words, too.

Speaker: At the end of the movie, when Patrick Wilson's going into the further... So everyone else is surrounding him in the living room and the lights go out. Leave one out. Takes out a flashlight. And then you see Tucker take out an even bigger flashlight. That was that was my best laugh of the film. It's not a line, but yes.

Speaker: while we're talking about them. Um, Yeah, they they have the they have the comedic flair. They give us the little... They give it a respite from the scary times. Um,

Speaker: So I don't know if I can attribute this quote to Elise Rainier or Lin Shay's character because she... takes it from... Lousy. um From the... philosophy of Laozi from the book Tao Te Ching. but When she is getting Josh.

Speaker: to Get him to astral project so he can go save his son. And she says, The universe is deathless. is deathless.

Speaker: because having no finite self, it stays infinite.

Speaker: A sound man. by not advancing himself. stays the further. ahead of himself. Um... So it was funny because.

Speaker: I thought that was such like a... profound moment in the movie and the writing just seemed different. And of course I find out that it's like ah an international. Famous philosopher and lousy.

Speaker: But I'm glad they used it. i it It brought some... uh, Like... Mysticism. to the moment and to the moment edge of the movie. Um,

Speaker: Yeah, I like that that. That's really all I have for best lines. You know, it's funny. I really like. When I was writing. But i I think I just like the flow of the story a lot more than like specific lines I latched onto.

Speaker: Yeah, he's he's ah he's a good, tight rider. mm -hmm um All right. Dull Knives!

Speaker: Why? Why? In all the marketing for this movie, And the second movie, and the third, is the SI. and insidious.

Speaker: Red. And the other words are both. It's provocative. That's why we like it. Give people what they want. I have a theory now. after having seen this movie. oh yeah We know that insidious is in the pocket of big moving truck company like penske we know that they're in the pocket with ah Big cosmetics. Did Sports Illustrated also...

Speaker: Give some back channeled money to make this thing stay under budget And there's subliminal messaging to go buy Sports Illustrated. So it's funny you say that. Because it... 2011 when the wide release came out.

Speaker: Sports Illustrated's famous. Swimsuit Edition Who was on the cover that year? Do you know? Well, I'm sure you have the stack behind you somewhere, Trav. You can just go tell us.

Speaker: Lin Shay. Get out of here. Oh, my God. I thought you were serious for a second. 65 -year -old Lin Shay, baby. The way that I just almost sprinted to ah to my my browser to find this. No, I have no idea. I have no idea why the SI is right. I mean, I'd buy.

Speaker: Day one, baby. Um... Yeah, no, it's it's It's a good one. Undiscovered mystery. um So, I'm just really curious again. i with horror movies I understand often you're dealing with the supernatural. So because part of that, you have to suspend your disbelief.

Speaker: But the rules of the supernatural here are still a little confusing to me. like a So Lin Shay says, that dalton traveled too far from his body And that's why he got lost.

Speaker: So did it actually have anything to do with the instance where he fell off the ladder in the attic? Dude. or that they're in that house at that time is it just you know coincidence had the same thing.

Speaker: I don't know what the falling off the ladder had to do with anything. unless it was that It gave him an opportunity to be asleep longer because he was. knocked out and so he He was like, well, I'm dreaming, so I might as well keep.

Speaker: traveling and dreaming and astral projecting even further and he just like went too far Yeah. I don't know So that i don't that doesn't really jive with me. And then kind of what we've talked about a few times here, the open door and the alarm going off.

Speaker: Can you see instances of like these spirits do not need a actually enter the home via the door conventional means they just kind of show up in the house And so I don't know which spirit was like. Needed forced entry. I mean, maybe that was just.

Speaker: ah coincidentally a home intruder at the same time all this was going on. Maybe it was a low -ranking ghost who hasn't gotten the ah hasn't figured it out yet ability to just you know, go right through objects. yeah um Okay, so Trav, you...

Speaker: Again, a better judge of this, your understanding of the market, especially the real estate market is better than me. This could be a product of timing. um of when this movie came out.

Speaker: and where we're at now in the world. but I'm watching this movie I see them unpacking all this stuff. Grandfather clock. multiple bedrooms, multiple kids.

Speaker: They seem to dress nice. uh single income i think single income is the same yep this is the same point i had so i'm like okay this guy he must be a doctor a lawyer accountant The way that I almost... like spit out my cereal.

Speaker: When it cuts to him as a high school teacher. Yep. With a chalkboard behind him, grading papers. I'm like, Dude, either your dad was like... the heir of Levi jeans or something, or.

Speaker: That school is the best private school in America. It did it totally read wrong. from I was just like either. this And this was. after the crash 2008 so yeah what am i missing here that That was the exact same point I had down as well for a dull knife. and How the hell do they afford this? And then be able to just quickly sell that home. You know, they're taking a loss and moving to the next home. on a single income from like a high school teacher Yeah. Like.

Speaker: i'm I'm sure the benefits are decent. But. The whole time I'm thinking like, man, that would be so cool to be as comfortable as they are one day. And ah you have three kids, you know, like what it takes. yeah Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, pay for all those kids too. Yeah. I know. Maybe Rose Byrne's therapeutic piano songs have... really made it big and the the plot just kind of maybe she was away from and showing you for that book that was on the shelf You know? she got a... She got to cut the action.

Speaker: No, that's a great one. um I also had to win Lin Shay's team. first shows up. um They've now brought in Lin Shay. So she can. Kinda. walk around the house.

Speaker: And she's going to assess, is there anything supernatural going care? and their technology. to transcribe what she sees it's just lee wannell with a sketch pad He's like, well, no, yeah, I just tell him what to draw. And he's like a sketch artist. i He's going to draw what I tell him to.

Speaker: All right. This is a great dull knife. But also... It's one of those weird cases where it's dull, but I really like that they do it. I love the gas mask shit. I loved the transcription between like.

Speaker: She hears things, speaks for the spirits. says it into a gas mask into a headphones that he can hear and he has this ability to draw it out it's so janky but it's kind of analog And yeah a little old, I don't know. I liked it a lot. It doesn't make sense. She's like seasoned up and has the shakes while she's like talking to him. So I agree. It makes, it does make the movie. scarier because of it. It's a cool visual.

Speaker: um I have one more, but i this is, again, I hate to defer to you again, but as a father, I want to ask you this. I found it funny.

Speaker: and And you might say, Ricky, this is realistic. like As a dad, you just kind of miss this stuff. Do you remember what finally causes Patrick Wilson to see that his son is actually astral projecting and that he's everyone? Yeah. it's it's the pictures on the wall of which he has many where he's literally written He had a note that said, last night I watched myself sleep.

Speaker: I wrote that down as well. Yep, I had that written down as well. Patrick Wilson finally noticing this drawing and being like, oh, dude, this is... this. I didn't want to be presumptuous because like parents are busy. There's a bunch of things to look at, but like.

Speaker: It's a prominently featured bulletin board in the child's bedroom. And I feel like if you walk into the bedroom, at some point you're going to notice the drawings and be like, what's my kid drawing? and And look at them and take them in. And that was the first time he noticed. And it was like.

Speaker: seemingly weeks after the, he the only excuse I can hear that he was staying at home grading papers, but. That doesn't make sense because the kid Drew those before he was stressed out. So he wasn't staying late. So what the fuck?

Speaker: In. And to your point. If one of my daughters brought like the. first day i stopped before i put on a bulletin board if one of my daughters handed me like a Picture she drew of like a creepy red door with blackness all around it And then saying last night I watched myself sleep. Like I would be talking to my kids about that right away to be like.

Speaker: Is everything okay? well well who I would be horrified. Who put that up there? Did Rose Byrne put it up there and be like, oh, kids will be kids? I'm so proud of this one. It just didn't say anything?

Speaker: Like, oh. I think the red looks great. Um... yes i had that written down as well so i'm glad you brought that up Cool. Sounds like we cut some of the same ones there. um I have some winners and losers, not not as much as old knives, but we can probably move to those unless you have any more.

Speaker: No, I'm good. Um... All right, winner, I got a... Rose Byrne singing. Pretty good voice on the piano. yeah Again, they kind of shy away from her music career after the first 15 minutes of the movie, but her sheet music and her piano is very important at the very beginning of the film. Can I can i get sappy for a quick second?

Speaker: Yeah. Women singing. Direct line to my soul. My mom would sing to me. she would like hum and it would just like put me right to sleep in a good way like not that she was boring but just it was like very comforting and The other day. I was having a trouble sleeping. and Sarah was driving out to Philly. It's a five hour drive and she had to leave here at midnight to get there at like 5 a .m. for a job. It was really dumb.

Speaker: She sang to me until I fell asleep. Wow. what We're an hour and 30 into this. No one's going to hear this. Anna has never seen me to sleep. Well... Have you asked?

Speaker: No. In fact, I've probably asked. I love my wife. She has so many redeeming qualities, but neither of us are ah the best singers where it's probably for the best. Maybe a hum? a hum might Might induce nightmares more than put me peacefully to sleep. God. And if you're listening to this, I think you have a great voice.

Speaker: um What about you anyone else Um... I already mentioned the director. title animation. In the beginning. Yeah.

Speaker: i i love the lettering on the uh initial title card in fact i i love that whole sequence again it's not Anything too over the top for the cold open. but we get a quick taste of it. We get. the lettering and the music and the score with the big insidious lettering And then I love the opening credits as well. That's a winner for me with, um I know you laughed at James Wan's.

Speaker: Um, glamorized animation for his credits, but I love like the black and white. And it's, you know, opening credits a lot of times you can. your eyes can kind of roll over. You're like, all right, let's get to the action. And this is when I actually enjoy watching.

Speaker: Something I like is that... and I'm sure most people know this but a very different team. is involved with. The look. of a title of a movie in the movie, which is basically the director and like his graphics designers versus the marketing team.

Speaker: who then picks the font. and the look of the title. For the DVD box set or the poster and stuff. I always love when I'm pleasantly surprised Because I've never been a big fan of it. I've always felt... So I was surprised when I watched this, Trav, that Insidious didn't have like ah a technological component to it. For the marketing font you're talking about. Correct. It looks very digital to me. And so I thought like, oh, is this like some, like, is there a device that.

Speaker: connects this kid to a demon or something. I was so pleasantly surprised when... Like you say, it's the the opening sequence is very elegant and the the the opening titles.

Speaker: but the opening title of the movie is like... The Diablo video game, ancient red. Devil horned. Words. It takes up the entire screen, completely different than what you see in the marketing materials. I love it. I think one had the better font. I think so too. I think the marketing team should have just rolled with that.

Speaker: Um... That's a win I had. only Only other winner I had was... ah scary baby monitors. I think when they pick up like the static and you hear Rose Byrne trying to listen in on it, that that always gets me. He's seen in a few movies.

Speaker: And. um yeah it's scary for like what the hell is this audio that's picking up Did that ever happen to you? We, um... It's funny you bring that up. We never did really baby monitors. Straw dog did. Our old... Our old home is small enough.

Speaker: Our old home is small enough where... um If the kids were crying, we could hear them. and They had to be crying loud enough that helped us get sleep through the nights where if it was just a whimper.

Speaker: Never even reached our ears. we could Cry it out. Cry it out baby. Um, Yeah, so we weren't big baby monitor people. A win I had was using ah ah mentioning the title.

Speaker: in the movie at some point. So, uh, Lin Shay's character says, She's trying to explain what the hell is going on Dalton. And she says, and this entity has an insidious agenda. He wants his body to cause harm to others.

Speaker: Which we see a glimpse of. When the boy gets... And that is the part that he does get possessed. I'll give you that, Trav. No. When the Ghostbusters get there.

Speaker: And he's all of a sudden at the party. hanging out them. Causing trouble. Um, Another one I had. Did you ever watch The Sopranos?

Speaker: Uh, I have not. There is a sub... plot in one of the first few seasons where ed falco who is Tony Soprano's wife. has an emotional affair.

Speaker: with a priest. Mm hmm. And the amount of times that Tony Soprano comes home to to. suburban home to see his wife with this priest. It just reminded me a lot of Patrick Wilson walking in and being like, ah!

Speaker: What's the joke? yeah A guy comes home to a priest with his wife or something like that. nope It just reminded me of The Sopranos and I love The Sopranos. That's funny.

Speaker: All right. Losers, I have a few. um One. Patrick Wilson has a husband when shit starts at the fan. I was expecting to see he has like a drinking problem or something going on on the side, but he's just like sitting in the classroom in silence, like late at night, just refused to come home.

Speaker: No. One of the worst excuses ever. I just... I am busy. A grading test. It's like, well, you've been grading tests your whole career as a teacher. Why all of a sudden is it taking you four more hours? Yeah.

Speaker: Um... First gray hair. loser because I can relate to that. He's the same age as us in this movie. Patrick Wilson was 37.

Speaker: Roseburn was 31. Sarah's 31. I will be 37 in a couple weeks. ah Sarah has found my first gray hair. a few weeks ago. Wow. Well, count yourself lucky. I found a few greys well before then. You got a nice main. You're going to be just fine. Yeah.

Speaker: All right, loser. So when Patrick Wilson goes into the further We get a glimpse and more exposition to all the ghosts we've been seeing in the homes. We've been seeing like the Victorian women.

Speaker: um who have shown up we see the very scary looking guy who was in the nursery We see lipstick face But my one loser is we never really get to figure out what was going on with that little. Like Newsies boy who just hopped out of the dresser earlier. and it and and it Yeah, like the the least scary of the ghost in the home. And we never really get any more of him when Patrick Wilson goes into the further.

Speaker: It's not sure what he was doing there. Just having a good time. I like his moves man. i he He never really scared me. I was just like, who's this cute little sprite? You never scared me.

Speaker: movie that Extra, extra, I'm like, I would buy a newspaper off you, little boy. Um, Another loser I had. Matching pajamas. I'm sorry.

Speaker: And Trav, I'm sure you have a Christmas card out there where you guys and the kids did this, but Rose Byrne and Dalton with the matching pajamas. I was like. Oh, it's good we have our kids matching. i don't know have you didn't well no that's not true you you laterally match you don't you don't we did have two christmases ago my mom we all got together and so every three generations of telerics all wore matching pajamas on christmas day That has happened once before. How did you feel about that?

Speaker: It was kind of fun for the one occasion. We don't Wear them around the home consistently. all Do you talk about it? The matching pajamas? No, most of us have lost. The shirt, the pants, no one has a complete set anymore. The girls grew bigger.

Speaker: So there's a fit then. And all the pictures, you've removed all the pictures because you don't want to, you want to suppress the memory of this ever happening. And so that when they're older, they don't. This will be recounted to me yeah when they're. adults. It'll shock them.

Speaker: Passed out of trauma. another Another loser I put is having three kids. That seems insane. They've over they've outnumbered you. Funny guy. Funny, funny guy. It seems chaotic.

Speaker: Yeah, honestly. It brings up another loser, which was the ah middle child, the other son. He kind of just disappears in the third act. Yeah. I don't know if they set them. Well, I guess Barbara Hershey's there, so maybe they sent them with Rose. Send them to Rose Burns' parents.

Speaker: your middle And the baby. Your middle kid is Margo? Mm hmm. Does Margo have middle kid syndrome? I... I still... I think every.

Speaker: person. creates a syndrome for like, oh, that's such an oldest child thing. That's such a middle child thing. That's such a youngest child thing. I think it's kind of like... ah astrology. Just being like, that's such an Aquarius thing. That's such a cancer thing. I don't quite buy it.

Speaker: yeah Make your own destiny. I like that. Yeah.

Speaker: Um, Um... That's it for me on losers Okay. We're at a part of the of the episode where... I regret to inform you that I tried to go back and look at.

Speaker: what awards we gave in Conjuring 1 and 2. Hmm. And I... I... Do you, I know Bashara got one of them. and i think bahar did Did Bashar get Conjuring 2 and James Wan got number one? Yeah, I know for sure Wan's gotten an award and Bashar's gotten an award from us for the Conjuring films.

Speaker: Okay. I think so has Patrick Wilson. And bear it for Amiga. I think so too. I think I know who mine is then. Yeah. Okay. I thought Rose Byrne was fantastic in this. oh Thought we'd have the same one.

Speaker: She was good. I thought she brought humanity. I thought she brought like. worry and and like maternal strength but also maternal fear of the losing her kid. I just...

Speaker: She grounded the movie for me. Well, a lot of silly things happen in this thing and fucking astral projection. Um, Ooh, but I think now, I think I kind of like where you're going with this. Are you going to say Lin Jay?

Speaker: Nope. Really? Going with Lee. Going with Lee Wendell. Oh! double duty doing double duty here as well acting we haven't honored him yet he was you know i don't think there'd be jim swan without him they they did saw together they did this together like their careers were very much but he's not involved in a working tandem But he's not involved. Yeah, so he didn't get any of our Conjuring awards because he wasn't involved there.

Speaker: Alright. This is the second week in a row I'm deferring to you. So that that pains me a little bit, but I can't deny. the ah Rose Byrne was great as well, I just think.

Speaker: I don't know. i I see this as the other side. to yeah This is Shaq and Kobe here. Yeah, I mean, and Rose Byrne and... and Lynn share women too. So I can see why you would want to steer clear away from there and then, you know, give it to, uh, Give it to a real king.

Speaker: We've had a lot of women, I mean, possession. A lot of what? A lot of butt. Get out of here. All right. human. I think that will do it for us. It's women.

Speaker: I still... I know I'm in the minority way in the comments, everybody. I want all the women to tell Travis how they should he should pronounce your beautiful... ah category.

Speaker: I just like reading words. though The way they were written, the way they were spelled out. um Okay, so I think... For next week. Unless Insidious 6 just gets like...

Speaker: insanely positive reviews. We're probably not going to cover it. And we will... We will go with... ah teenage sex and death at Camp Miasma if A theater near us randomly gets the film.

Speaker: That is getting some great reviews and it's limited release. Um, but we we currently don't have capacity to get out to go see it for another week or two. I think we're gonna get it on the 20th.

Speaker: And that's just the way it's going to be. Yep. But, uh... Yeah. So we're going to cover. Let's do one recording where we say we're doing this. No, just say we'll be back next week.

Speaker: Alright. We can have a little air of mystery. We may be doing Insidious 6 if we have good reviews. But also we might be doing Lee Cronin's The Mummy.

Speaker: Because I want to see if Lee Cronin actually is the mummy, as the title suggests. That's why I want to figure that out. It's a mystery to me. Uh... All right, play us out. all right You have the soundboard again.

Speaker: We'll see you next week.

Speaker: Bye.

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