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Episode 10 | Peace Up A-Town Down - Amorim SACKED!!
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We break down the sacking of Rúben Amorim and ask how much blame truly lies with the manager. What went wrong on the pitch, where the results fell short, and whether Amorim was ever set up to succeed.
The conversation then widens to INEOS and their growing list of failings at Manchester United — from unclear football structure and mixed messaging, to recruitment issues and short-term decision-making. Are the problems deeper than the head coach, and is this another reset without a clear plan?
A frank discussion on ownership, accountability, and whether United’s latest managerial exit actually fixes anything.
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Transcript
Introduction: Setting the Stage
00:00:00
Speaker
you
00:00:35
Speaker
Yo, don't cry, don't beg, welcome to another episode of the Don't Blame the Ref podcast.
Management Woes at Manchester United
00:00:40
Speaker
Myself, representing the red corner, got me Dom, I'm representing the blue corner.
00:00:47
Speaker
You got E-Man. Yeah, sorry, I'm like rushing, I'm like jumping, jumping, the ski of jumping the gun because ah I was in a good mood, yeah, ah before watched this game against Brighton, yeah.
00:00:59
Speaker
happened that like finally he've gone he's gone he's gone for the wrong reasons but he's gone can we just have a moment of silence
00:01:18
Speaker
The manager in my club's history, bro. You don't nothing, bro. brave ever You know he's still in Cheshire now. He's still walking around smiling. Yeah, with a smile. With a smile on his face. now if fact if i if someone just if thought If someone just PayPal 10 mil to my account, I'll be smiling too, man. Jeez.
00:01:39
Speaker
Yeah, so today's pod is going to basically just be mainly focused around the situation at Man United. I think it's something I've spoken about every pod, every episode now, literally since we started.
00:01:53
Speaker
Like, um... a lot of people think it was just an Ameren issue, but it's never just been that. The issue that I've always had has been like a wider issue with the club, but the main focus is accountability for actions.
00:02:11
Speaker
That's where my line has always been drawn. And... Obviously, with Maresca leaving last weekend, it seemed like, well, the weekend before, it seemed like Amirim just took a page out of his book and just decided to self-implode and just completely... I don't know.
00:02:29
Speaker
and the thing is as well, it's like... People are asking why now? like Why did the board sack him now? Why didn't they sack him when he he lost that final to Tottenham?
00:02:43
Speaker
not why Why is it now? Well, it's obvious because he decided to, I don't know, drink whatever drink he went had before that press conference and just went in there and tried to draw out his imp employers, which makes no sense because...
00:02:59
Speaker
yeah think anyway i think they I think the catalyst is is the formation change. Because, and you know, obviously we've seen reports now saying that the formation request came from Jason Wilcox.
00:03:14
Speaker
it It came from um Sir Jim, but Jason Walcott is the one who passes on the message footballing-wise. Correct, correct. So, yeah i I remember in the previous pods, we spoke about why would you now change to a 4-3-3 when all your wingers are gone? So, like, the timing was off.
00:03:32
Speaker
It didn't make sense. So, now that we've got that information, we can see now. And that was the beginning of the end for Amorim, from his point of view, because up until then, he thought they were all on the same page.
Internal Club Conflicts
00:03:44
Speaker
We're going to recruit for my philosophy. We're going to recruit the players that we think that will fit that style of play. And then now you might not tell him to change formation to the 4-3-3. So I think i thought that was always going to be an issue. And then him deciding to do it in the Wolves game, which obviously caused the bust up and um and and and made ball cooks, you know,
00:04:11
Speaker
you know then He basically tried to draw Wilcox and he tried to draw out the scouting department. And I think, like you said, is it but the thing is, it's not word round.
00:04:23
Speaker
Was he drawing out the scouting department or was he just more like, everybody has their jobs, let me do my job? i think I think it was also you said the catalyst was a formation change. I think the final nail in the coffin was the Semenyo situation.
00:04:40
Speaker
I think he really wanted Semenyo because he thought that was the final piece to lack at least the attacking side of his formation because we do need a we did need a left-w wing right-footed, winger slash wing-back, whatever it was. But but then but then no no but what i read what I read was that Semenya was the club signing. And then when so when they decided they weren't going to proceed with Semenya or when he decided um he was going to City, Amurim then asked about, okay, can the funds be used for midfielder?
00:05:16
Speaker
And then they told him there's no funds for midfielder. And that was that's that caused his
Amorim's Managerial Challenges and Exit
00:05:21
Speaker
angst, no? That's the thing. with with all this With all this stuff, a lot of it is a lot of hearsay. But ah if you kind of put the pieces to the puzzle together, what it kind of paints like a really messed up picture. But there's still one there if you get what I mean. So, like... With what you're saying, it's true. Semenyo was going to be a club signing. All the signings that's been made since Ineos have come in have been Ineos first.
00:05:46
Speaker
And then I won't be surprised if they say to the manager, look, we're getting Semenyo. Do you want him? And it's like, yeah, or not. But he's coming regardless. If you want him or not, he's coming, make it work. But the reason why will say...
00:06:00
Speaker
Amarin did want him is because when we played Bournemouth not too long ago, Semenyo was someone who he kept singling out like, yeah, he's a great player. great playde He wasn't talking about the coach. He wasn't talking about the team. He just kept singling out Semenyo. And that was when the Lynx initially started because that rumor came out about his buyout clause changing in January.
00:06:18
Speaker
So it was, um yeah, the talk so it's not as if he didn't want him, but i think like you said, when we realized we couldn't get him, I think a conversation happened to say, well, Semenya was just a market opportunity. We weren't planning on buying you wingback or another player this January. And when he heard that, what's up, I'm not getting no one. Like, you they were like, no, you're not. Like, make your work in it. like i think that i think I think I'm done. I can't lie to you. I think it's absolutely crazy to walk to call call up Semenyo and be like, yeah, bro, yeah, it's Big United, we want to recruit you in.
00:06:51
Speaker
Oh, yeah, but we want to play you wing-back.
00:06:55
Speaker
The thing is, even if they said to him, the thing, we have no room in the tent. He wouldn't have played the tent. The only position there for him was a wing back. And obviously, there's been reports of us changing to a 4-3-3,
Fan Loyalty vs. Managerial Performance
00:07:06
Speaker
but we're playing 4-3-3 one half, then a 3-4-3. So, Semenya's looking it like,
00:07:13
Speaker
I'm going to end up playing wing-back. I don't want to play wing-back. Facts. Why am I going to go there? Why the hell am I... Like, it's Manchester United only lasts for so long. Sometimes you actually have to be a smart footballer and just say, but what makes the most sense for my career? Coming to Man United at this current stage, and these men have played against United. Like, so many have played against United at bare times under Ameren. So you've probably looked it like, bro, I want to go over there. don't want to go over there. You're crazy. Yeah.
00:07:40
Speaker
And you're telling look at the options that he had. Man United, Tottenham and Man City. Of course, they like, all it was was one phone call from Pep.
00:07:51
Speaker
but common Like, come on, man. So, let's hone in more on Amurim, yeah?
00:07:58
Speaker
To me, he looks like, I don't know, obviously, there's still pictures there. They're just pictures, obviously, Him walking out in public with his wife looking all suave and the grin on his face. Obviously, if you watch the full video, it's not like he's grinning the whole time. It's just that as they take the picture, he's busting the grin. So I just feel like from a United point of view, that would just really pee me off. No, you know what it is? The thing is for me is it was always calling for him wanting to get fired rather than him walking away. Do you know since he's got this job, he's probably threatened to walk away at least five times on five different occasions. You don't do that. You just leave. You just say, you know, I'm a mutual consent and he's gone. That's it. No, you just, he kept like, well, I'll leave, you know, if you guys don't want me, I'll leave. No, he was waiting.
00:08:52
Speaker
It's like he, at some point during his tenure, he realized this is too much for me, but I want my pay up. So I'm going to, I don't, I don't know how I'm going to do it, but constantly threatening to leave, drawing out the academy,
00:09:07
Speaker
like hinting at other things, other issues, like whatever. He's trying to get on someone's bad side. That's what it seemed like him. He's always smart because that because his first comments like a year ago saying, oh, when you don't want me, I'll leave for free. now i did' you live for free go you sit your your way obviously that's not just for him that's what his coaching staff as well if he just said i want to leave i'm sure that they don't get that payout either yeah so church he's he's he can't do that there's a lot of people um riding on whatever his decision he makes and even the thing let's let me try add some like um
00:09:47
Speaker
like a timeline of the situation well because yeah, Ameren is the main focus because he got, he got fired. but Obviously see this is a bigger problem in terms of Ineos, but and within focusing on Ameren in himself here, he himself has no one to blame for him being sacked other than himself.
00:10:05
Speaker
If anything, he is so lucky he even made it into the season. A serious club, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Arsenal, um Liverpool, PSG, any one of those clubs here.
00:10:19
Speaker
If you had the record that Amorim had towards the end of last season and lost to Tottenham, All in, all in within that time frame. You don't make it into the next year. You just don't. Because it just doesn't make sense.
00:10:33
Speaker
What you would do as a serious club is you would all get together and say, look, yeah, it's gone a lot bad on us for us sacking him. But, bro, he's not the guy, bro. He's not the guy. So, get rid of him. But they kept him. they They backed him. They tried, like, literally, when you talk about backing someone, someone who finished 15th, lost the Europa League,
00:10:52
Speaker
all ah All of these, like, different things. So why do why do you why do you think they backed him? Because, like, you know, they sacked the other Donny and he was in he wasn't nearly as bad, if we're honest.
00:11:09
Speaker
I think um they had a way out with Eric Ten Hag to get him out because they could literally just blame Dan Ashworth. That was their scapegoat. They had a way out.
00:11:22
Speaker
If they sacked Ameren, it's all on them. There's no one else to blame apart from them. So in order to save face, they wanted to back him as much as possible so that the fe all our fan base has like this sickness where it's like, on whoever the manager is, give him all the money he needs, give him every single player he wants. And if you don't do that, then you can't really say whether he's a good manager or not. That's what everyone wants, even though we just saw that with Ten Hag and look at how they ended.
00:11:52
Speaker
I doubt everyone's saying all of the players that he signed, we have to get rid of and start again. That's ah stupid. you don't do it You don't run a club like that. That's how you end up in that financial with debt. You don't do that.
00:12:03
Speaker
So I just think with Ten Hag, they fumbled on the um decision of trying to get a replacement for him because whatever project they presented to Tuchel, Deserby,
00:12:14
Speaker
um Amarin at the time, none of them agreed on it. none They couldn't find a common ground. So they were like, do we really want to make a decision bringing in manager who were not too sure about and getting rid of a guy who just won an FA Cup?
00:12:32
Speaker
So they decided to keep him. And then as soon as they realized they had a way out, they got rid of him and then went to hire one of, um they went to go hire coach who plays a completely different system to what Man United have ever played in their entire life. Like it's never been the thing that we've done.
00:12:50
Speaker
The current squad is not fit for that. They brought him in and they basically just said, look, we're going to back you because Because you what that we have no other choice. You're our guy. You're the guy that we've picked. You're the guy we've made the big fuss about. We did your payout. you You're coming from sporting, whatever.
00:13:10
Speaker
what What do you make of, you know, the, what was it, CEO? Is he the CEO or the chief something? Yeah, Barada. What do you make of a non-profit?
00:13:23
Speaker
a man in a non-footballing position making a decision of who which manager is hired like that just sounds bear mind his background is he was a cfo chief financial officer at city so so again he would have he would have i guess he would have veto on is this person worth the money that we're spending who i guess he'd have oversight on stuff like that and probably you need him to say yes to the financial spend. But how does how do you now go and hire that person and then you allow
Influence of Non-Football Executives
00:13:58
Speaker
that person to have more authority over which manager you're going to hire? thing is, I think, that's small narrative like you said, obviously he would have had some inkling that um he would have had...
00:14:10
Speaker
he All the directors, they talk. It wouldn't have just been like, oh, you're the finance guy, so you stay over there. No, they're like friends amongst that within the companies. They had conversations. They know the direction in which the company is going to go because, like you said, he's control of all the finances. He knows what the majority of the future plans are. He will be in the board meetings when people are presenting from different departments, of that kind of stuff. So he just knew Amarin was someone who they were really interested in, in replacing Pep.
00:14:40
Speaker
Like, he was high on that. and He must have been really, really high on that list. So he just comes to Man United. he He was probably the reason why Man United even interviewed Ameren for the job in the summer.
00:14:52
Speaker
And then, obviously, after the conversation, I'm like, nah, it's not really going to work out. He... Then looked at what happened with Eric Ten Hag and he said, forget this. You lot don't know what you're doing, bro. I'm going to go get the guy.
00:15:03
Speaker
The guy who I said that we should have got in the first place, I'm going to go get him. So he went to go grab him, brought him in, we didn't didn't understand the other aspects of football. And just said, guys, all we have to do is just give him time and you he'll he'll make it work.
00:15:17
Speaker
But football's a little bit deeper than that. You can' of you can't just do that. you man You man took that bullet for City though. Jeez. No, but the fingers it's not like the thing is, it's not even that Amarin is never going to be good anywhere else.
00:15:32
Speaker
It's just that his temperament, the quality of the squad and... the way the board operates, none of that aligned, none of it at all.
00:15:44
Speaker
And we just had him there just for the sake of having him. he wasn't He wasn't ready for this level of pressure and he needed essentially a team built for him, for him to um make it work.
00:15:56
Speaker
But yeah, it's for me, like with my gripes with Amarin are a strictly football basis. I stopped watching his press conferences. i stopped listening to that guy talk full stop Like all those interviews that he did with Sky Sports, all of that, I stopped watching all that kind of stuff. For me, it's, okay, how we're setting up before the game, what adjustments you're making in the game, and then what changes are you making after that?
00:16:21
Speaker
Once you've, let's say we've taken a bad loss, what how are we approaching the next game if we're doing the same thing and we're still getting the same results for me girl it's the accountability thing you yourself within yourself forget outside forget what recruitment all of that kind of stuff happens within the squad the decisions that you're making as the manager don't make sense So you need to go. That's, that's where, that's where my B.O.N. end of it is. I didn't expect Amarim to come in and fix every single issue at Manchester United and make us a title contending team again. Never. I'd never thought that because that's stupid.
00:16:56
Speaker
It requires way more than that. So, conversations that I've been having with other United fans and all that, they' they're thinking that, ah, I wanted Amarin out because I blame Amarin for everything that's gone wrong. No, no, no.
00:17:10
Speaker
This is a wider issue in terms of Ineos. Since they got here, they've been here, what? I don't even know, 18 months, two years, whatever it's been. The club has gotten progressively worse.
00:17:24
Speaker
How has that happened? You've come in and taken off the glazers. Everyone complained about Edward Ward. Everyone complained about John Murtle, all of these people. And then you guys have come in, tried to do this best in craft spring and then proceeded to make every wrong decision under the, under the bus. How, how has that happened?
00:17:42
Speaker
And then now we're sitting in the, um, in the middle of just being not tired of the FA Cup because we are recording this after Brighton just beat us 2-1. we have We literally are only going to play 40 games this season. The first time that's ever happened in 111 years Manchester United. 40 games in total. There's no Europe.
00:18:03
Speaker
We're out of the League Cup because we lost the Grimsby, we lost the Brighton. And now we don't even have a manager in place. We have an interim for the interim. So they don't they don't even plan they didn't even plan the second of Amarin, which is even more concerning because they should have been planning for this from the end of last season. weren't to him. That's what I've been saying before.
00:18:29
Speaker
It's madness. If Ameren did not walk into that presser and say what he said, he would still be here. It's not a case of it. And they've been trying to leak that stuff to the press where he fell out with the squad months ago. He fell out with board that were always looking to replace him. Like, bro, no, it's all lies, man. You were going to give him another year and a half, bro. Like, let's keep it honest, bro.
Divisions Among Fans and Identity Crisis
00:18:50
Speaker
so Yeah, what was your heart?
00:18:51
Speaker
What do you think the board's end goal was then? Like, to keep someone who's performing so badly? Their end goal is to do what every what the majority of Manchester United fans have been crying for, backing a manager.
00:19:05
Speaker
Whenever a manager comes in who they like, they want the club to bend over and give the manager whatever he needs to succeed. So they were fulfilling that. All the all these people who are now, you're seeing the, what's that group called? The 1958, whatever, I don't know what that group's called. They're planning a protest because Amarim got sacked.
00:19:23
Speaker
to protest against Ineos. All these people, bro, all these people were in complete agreeance with whatever Ineos was doing if it meant Amarind stayed.
00:19:34
Speaker
These same people, these other United fans who I've been speaking to, they've been saying stuff that are... What's the point of complaining? He's going to stay anyway, so why are you even complaining? What's the point complaining? And now that he's gone, now it's like, oh, Ineos, you've made a mistake. what we What's going on? My man had the 31% win.
00:19:50
Speaker
Like, bro, like, what what are we talking about? What are we talking about? Like... One thing I've learned thing I've really learned This whole fiasco Is how loyal United fans are I generally didn't Obviously because You've had so many different managers over the years But I've only now become You know I've only now become aware Of how loyal these fans are To managers It's crazy But I don't even know If I like it sense because it's like they want to back whoever's in and they want keep backing them, keep backing keep backing them.
00:20:35
Speaker
And look, Ten Hag, up until Amorim, Ten Hag was the worst manager. He was horrible. Apart from that FA Cup win, he was horrible.
00:20:46
Speaker
But they backed him till the end. Amorim, same thing. It's refreshing. Don't get me wrong. It's refreshing. I like to see that, you know, football fans can actually back someone even when it's, you know, turned bad.
00:21:00
Speaker
But you'd also like them for them to put their faith into someone that showed you good times. That's that's exactly i put my point. My thing is, I don't mind for fans to just like, you know, this man just come in. Cool.
00:21:13
Speaker
Let's see what he's got. at least give me two months of sick football and then if it implodes then I'll be like you know what now he's shown me I've seen what um his vision looks like that's what um the person always use as an example for that Ange at Tottenham when he first came in those first 11 games that he played They were killing guys. They cook up and they were top of the league. If if a Tottenham fan still to this day would have said, I would have kept that. I can't say anything to you because your manager is showing you proof of concept straight away. We haven't seen anything.
00:21:49
Speaker
yeah we have Everything's just theory with Amaranth. Everything's just like, oh, get get him a this, get him a that, and then watch you start cooking and all that. Everything. All of the analysis for Ameren was results-based analysis because it's like, if we lost and then Chelsea lost, it's all right because we're not that far away of top five. It's not that we lost and we played well, so I'm all right with it.
00:22:12
Speaker
It's not that. It's just, as long as we're in the mix, they're fine with it. But we're just not good. We were never consistent. We were never good. it's it was It was actually just a joke. And all this infighting with Man United fans is literally just...
00:22:25
Speaker
I don't know if it's like some cult stuff. I don't know. I don't know what the what the thing is because the way they love Amarin is actually concerning to me. um I actually don't understand, boy.
00:22:39
Speaker
I'd love to understand what is it about him that you liked? This is other thing as well, yeah. If football wasn't good, maybe his personality in a sense because... No, his personality wasn't good either. No, in the first six
00:22:58
Speaker
like you know he's he speaks well, he's confident, he's funny, he's whatever, whatever. like So I can understand that from that, but what else is there?
00:23:11
Speaker
There's nothing else. There's this mystery. Or is it the hate is it a hate for the owners that causes them to to get drawn towards the manager? to say it kind is how How can you hate the owners but love their decision of hiring a manager? That doesn't make sense.
00:23:29
Speaker
how can How can someone I hate make it bring someone in and I love them? That don't make sense. No, but they don't it does. It does make sense, though. how many the do The two can be separate. like For example, you can hire the people that only you don't like your owner, but they've hired a good manager. like That's possible.
00:23:45
Speaker
It's possible. Yeah, but what I'm saying not saying it's happening on this occasion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is, okay, let's say they just brought in Southgate. Would people have given them that much room?
00:23:56
Speaker
Would they have backed them like that? No. Yeah, you knifephons yeah. fans, yeah. he's English. Southgate, use Southgate as the boogeyman. go look at all the all the fanboys they're like oh good look great I'm inside look we're gonna get Southgate now we're gonna get Southgate now they keep using them as the boogeyman all it is is that for some reason they were they were like attracted to whatever this guy was proposing that interview you know them interviews that people do yeah when they get the new job like Ed Ten Hag, I remember his first his one, was his line was um errors come to an end in regards of Liverpool Man City.
00:24:31
Speaker
When he said that, all everyone was in. Everyone was all in, man. They all in. And then Amorin is like, I don't even know if he has a catchphrase, his catchphrase are that we're going to have to suffer it
00:24:46
Speaker
good times of color they believe and um and I'm just sitting there like, bro, like, why, why, why do, you know, from die stupid ones. Why do we have to do stupid ones? That doesn't make sense. That end of season, that end of season speech is putting you guys back, man. I don't know. I don't know,
Player Performance and Management Accountability
00:25:06
Speaker
man.
00:25:06
Speaker
Like, don't get me wrong. Like, obviously I tried to look at this from like a holistic point of view. I tried to look at from like all right, cool. Um, Like, our players, don't get me wrong, we don't have a squad full of world-class players, but we have pieces within our team that can perform better.
00:25:25
Speaker
Simple things like in squad selection, never agreed with it. But... We've got decent enough pieces to perform better on a week-to-week basis. we those But there's still individuals within within this team who just need to go. Like they just need like Diego Dallot today. I know we're not really talking about games today.
00:25:45
Speaker
Diego Dallot today, like bro, like I tell you, he's the dumbest footballer I've ever seen my life, bro. i can't believe I can't believe some of the decisions that this guy makes on the pitch. And he's still here. Because he was good for under 10 hard, there's still people who back him. They love him. He's got a signature celebration as a right-back.
00:26:01
Speaker
we What's going on? He's got like five goals, bro. What's going on? like i just i don't I don't understand that like the conundrum of Bruno. These men love Bruno. Bruno's not a bad footballer, but what is it is is these managers, they give him free reign to do whatever he wants. And then his performances, they go up, they go down, they go up, they go down. With Ameren, he took away all the up and just left us down, the down version Bruno. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:29
Speaker
He just put in DM or whatever, six, whatever position you want to call that, and just completely neutralized him. I don't understand that. Every player got worse. And then if I'm talking about individual players again, Matthias Cunha, yeah, man.
00:26:44
Speaker
The less said about him, the better. That one's looking disgusting, bro. Everyone, bro, they were calling him Cantona. Bro, is even better than Rashford? Is he even in Rashford? Definitely not. he's you know definite not that would Definitely not. Definitely not.
00:26:59
Speaker
But obviously you can't say that because our fans, we've decided that Rashford is public enemy number one. We can't cheer on anything he does. Any bad thing he does, we're going to post it. We're going to do the the the, even he's going to get called up for England, right?
00:27:13
Speaker
If he scores, he has a bad game for England and he's hooked, it's got to be our fans that going to be tweeting, I thought he was better than us. He went to Boston. That's us. That's what our fans are.
00:27:24
Speaker
Same thing with Garnaccio. Garnaccio's gone now. We cheer for his downfall. like that's That's what we're on. And it's just like... Yeah, it' it's a mess. Like, the play the players themselves, like I said, some of them are good.
00:27:39
Speaker
A lot of them can be changed for better. But the baseline performance and what they were doing week in, week out for Amorin was not good enough, bro. It's just not. It's not. And then we've spoken about Amorin. His... um performance and all that kind of stuff like he had his problems I'm happy he's gone but this is something I need to speak about here these same fans who were getting onto fans like me for calling out bad performances by the manager and by the players are now doing the reverse of it so now when the team play bad they're like see look look this is what you guys deserve but I thought we support Man Utd you support Famer and or do you support United?
00:28:20
Speaker
Fam out what what's so what's happening here like what so we're cheering clubs down for just so you can be partially right like this guy like ah what bro in my other chat my um s from the last one he was saying like oh i can't believe i'm watching my team um lose to breton i'm like lose to breton bro we lost it ever in 10 men ever in the season and we lost the greens under your manager are you talking about that's what i'm saying like It's this weird, like, fandom that these lot have. think they just want another Alex Ferguson.
00:28:50
Speaker
They just want another person who just turns it around, completely redesigns the clubs and makes it work. It's not going to happen, bro. What we actually need to do is get a good manager. Yeah, bro.
00:29:03
Speaker
From their POV, though, it's what they're used to, no? So, and I think what their point is, I think, is... the The biggest problem is the owner. The biggest problem is those people. So whether we get rid of room or not, that's not
Ownership Critique and Future Directions
00:29:20
Speaker
going to change. i think that's what I think.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, but clubs with bad management and ownership have won titles. that's that's That's happened throughout football, even Liverpool. Before Klopp came in, FSG out, FSG, FSG, FSG. Then Klopp comes in, they get a good manager, they sign some good players and they see some success. You don't hear about FSG anymore. Now you do. But then even then, now, they want to spend however much they spend in the summer. it's not their fault, Arnie Stout can't coach.
00:29:49
Speaker
What are they supposed to do? They got you all the players you guys wanted, right? You get what I mean? And then now they're not complaining about them anymore. If anything, the only thing they're complaining about is why it wasn't my mindset.
00:30:00
Speaker
But that's the best's about it. Barcelona. Barcelona have had and whatever they've had, all this financial issue, blah, blah, blah. They're still winning leagues. They're still winning leagues. It happens. Come on, guys. Not even to say like we need the... like And the other thing is this warrior.
00:30:18
Speaker
The reason why we will never get the ownership that we want is because the fans can't focus. They can't focus. Just because I'm drawing out Amarin doesn't mean I don't understand a wider problem. You trying to use Amarin as like a and stick to try and hit me with because we're losing games is dumb.
00:30:35
Speaker
He's not the job anymore. What are you talking about? it He just took a 20 million or however much it would pay and he's walking in the street smiling. You don't give but you don't care. don't care about United. When it came to between Ineos and the Qataris to take over the club, these lot did a campaign about wanting Jim because he's um white and English, bro.
00:30:55
Speaker
He didn't want the Qatari. They didn't want to be state-owned. So now he's here. This is what happens. We had the opportunity to get a buyout. The fans let ex-players, they let the media start talking about, oh, now everyone's a human rights activist and they don't want Qataris because they don't like the way they treat their women or in that country or whatever. That's what that's what that's what the um agenda that they were pushing. Now you've got Sir Jim who tried to buy Chelsea not too long ago.
00:31:20
Speaker
and was a Chelsea fan and he's got a Chelsea season ticket and now he's a United guy. Well, we're stuck now. We're stuck. The opportunity we had, we're stuck. What can we do? from i remember from the jump, from the jump, I didn't want him from the jump because, uh, Radcliffe, mean, because when i when I was looking, reading articles about Nice and how their fans are really annoyed about his management of Nice. So, yeah, it's just... I think, the put and then obviously, actually his his company, Ineos, had quite a few lawsuits because employees were we're we're suing about like working conditions or like you know cost cutting that made their job harder and then getting sacked unfairly. So things like that, I was like... Man walked into the club and just sacked bare people, made bare man redundant and just told you to deal with it, bro. What can we do?
00:32:17
Speaker
He just walked in and just did all that and then proceeded to just make bad decisions. Bro, all that money they save from sacking people, they spend it on pay manager payouts. Bro, these guys have run the club into hell, bro.
00:32:33
Speaker
They multiplied by 100 and spent it on the the money they spend on sacking those people does not equate anything near that they're paying those managers. It's a joke. It's a joke. not Now we're in a situation where... Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:32:47
Speaker
No, I was going to say, like, so So what... now so whoa war What would you do now to give your team the best opportunity to try and compete for four? Well, the the thing is, is like like you you've asked me this multiple times this season what my objectives were for the club um in terms of the season, and it's always been Champions League football. Even now, after all the mess that we've been doing, we're still only a couple of points off where we need to be But all it takes is a Liverpool win here and there and then we'll completely out of that.
00:33:22
Speaker
But then my my objective, well, what the board need to do is this interim hire. If I see Oli walk through the door, everyone should riot.
00:33:34
Speaker
Everyone has to riot. Bro, my man's walking around with no, he has no backroom staff. Right now, he's just a lone guy that applied for the job position. If he gets the job, they're going to manufacture a backroom staff room. He has nobody. He's not a real manager.
00:33:48
Speaker
He's just a guy. He's just a guy who used to put work for the club. So this interim thing, the season isn't written off yet. Yeah, cool. We have no FA Cup. We have no League Cup. We can still win league matches. The league always matters.
00:34:00
Speaker
So what you have to do is, I don't know who's a good interim. I don't know. I don't know who's out there. It's not my job to know who to bring in. All I know is the people who are here, if they're doing a bad job, you have to you have to car the room if they cut the cord as soon as you can and rectify whatever mistakes you make. But the talks are Fletcher, but he's just lost his first two. and Well, he drew one and then lost one.
00:34:23
Speaker
So I think they're completely rolling him out now. The other one is Carrick. Is that what it took? Let's see how it does in two games. What they're going off is the fan sentiment before they um choose to hire someone.
00:34:37
Speaker
Even the the entire time that we've had Eric Ten Hag and Amerind, the person who they've been doing revisionism on the most is Oli. They Oli ball, Oli ball. When we married had Oli, we were so good, blah, blah, blah. And because they've done that and spoken that into existence so much, he's the front runner for the position.
00:34:54
Speaker
Even though he we know he's not qualified to do it. Even though we know he's not... These people sound like a joke, bro. Bro, so for the only other options, Michael Carrick.
00:35:08
Speaker
um Me, personally, I don't know. I don't know if he's a good manager. He he did a decent job at Middlesbrough, but then ended up falling off towards the end and then ended up losing his job. So...
00:35:21
Speaker
Is that the pedigree you won at Manchester United? Just because when he was into him, what, he won his only game? although I don't, I can't remember how many games it was, but, like, sometimes you have to allow the nostalgia thing, bro. These aren't the same guys. These, these current players don't, in the school, they don't give it, they don't give it.
00:35:37
Speaker
kind a swine spot they don't they don't care they don't care about the history of the club bro when they walk into Carrington every week to go do training a whole trophy rule is there all the order and all the all the like encouragement you need is all around you when you walk on like Carrington Old Trafford all of that stuff they don't care bro all the players ain't gonna come and bring anything out And don't get me wrong, it's not like it's Rooney, it's not like it's Ronaldo, it's not like, it's not in the massive legend, like proper, the ones they grew up on, like, don know A lot of the young lads coming now, they wouldn't have grown up on Solskjaer.
00:36:13
Speaker
Sorry. No. They don't better don't know him from Adam. That's too old. Same thing with Carrick. Carrick was a very good player, but he ain't one of those guys. It's not like it's Roy Keane or anyone. I wouldn't even want Roy Keane. I don't want ex-players. Did you hear that on the... Did you hear that on the pod, on the Billy... What's his name? His pod? The good, the bad and the football.
00:36:36
Speaker
Oh, yeah, Paddy. Yeah, Paddy. think Nicky Butt. Golds and Nicky Butt, yeah. Yeah, they said, them oh, it should be it's yeah and like But that's the thing These men These men are all boys bro They want Of course I would want my boy To go get that job Go get yourself paid They're paying everyone anyway Of course I'm going to say I want him to have the job You think Roy Keane Who hasn't managed In how long He's going to walk in there And start effing and blinding At all the players they're going to start Performing well No That's not a football act I don't want to criticise anyone Yeah
00:37:13
Speaker
Obviously, don't know his tech tactical acumen, but from what I've seen, I've watched him for years on Sky Sports, five years. He has not given me anything tactical that I did not already know. what you know He has not given me any sort of analysis, any sort of insight, nothing, nothing. they're completely wrapped around in nostalgia at this club here that they just want someone to come back and make them feel better no like we need a coach we need someone who's actively right now coaching to a decent ah enough level to come into the club maybe settle in for like a year a year and a half and then if if that um then we move on but
00:37:56
Speaker
but I don't know. I think Ineos are just waiting to see where the fans sort of lean towards. And then once they make the decision, um i mean, once they see the narrative form far enough to one side, they'll just hire that person. That's what I honestly think is. They need to buy themselves time.
00:38:15
Speaker
And even speaking of, um just to wrap it up, who I think they will end up going for in the summer is... obviously based on this Amaran second, they want a yes man. They don't want someone who's going to come and question their decisions or like draw them out too much. So everyone who's saying deserve you, forget about it.
00:38:31
Speaker
Everyone's saying, who's up to shell, forget about it. Even Enrique, who um just, he hasn't a got a new contract with PSG, forget about it. These men are going to draw them out the first in instant they get. They're not looking for someone like that.
00:38:50
Speaker
They're looking for... He wouldn't even come. They want someone who's going to be grateful to just have the job. So they would want a Glasner. They would want a... I don't know if Fabian Herzler even wants a job. out His name isn't even in the bucket. but So they would want someone like that.
00:39:07
Speaker
they don't They don't want the ready-made manager who's going to keep pressuring them. If anything, it's really Glasner and Enzo Maresco only because he's worked with a couple of them guys before.
00:39:21
Speaker
And then that's about it. But the correct hire is the person who comes and does whatever interview they need to do for the job and is able to lay out exactly what they need for this to work. Because it's a World Cup year, they're going to have a shorter preseason.
00:39:39
Speaker
Every player who performs while the World Cup, if they're on our radar, they're going to add an extra 20 mil to that price tag. And then even, bro, it's going to be a messy summer. So they've set themselves up a big time.
00:39:53
Speaker
So, yeah, just to... It's literally... Yeah, go ahead. Just to finish up on what you said there, like, this is where football lives these days.
Conclusion: Call for Strategic Leadership Change
00:40:06
Speaker
Like, those in charge... don't want these high-end managers because they have demands and those in charge don't want to meet those demands and want to do what the things the way they feel is best but but we at your club and my club we have people in charge who are not OK, maybe Jason was Wilcox, he's got quite a good background of you know in the game and he's a football man. But we have a lot of these people who are big decision makers, who are not football people, who are not in the know now, who are not tactically astute, who are not... So as much as back in the day when you know you used to buy
00:40:52
Speaker
For your manager sacking and buy for another manager. Now you've got a squad that's got a mishmash of two three different ideas like that was a mess But we've gone way too far the other way where now We're at division, I'm at the beck and call of people who, I'm sorry, do not have the same level of knowledge as the manager.
00:41:12
Speaker
Like, I need whoever's a sporting director, I need a football sporting director. They need to be ex-pro or they need to have an experience as long as as long as, you know, they need to show, like, for example, a campos.
00:41:27
Speaker
if Before he went to PSG, man was at Monaco. He built that Monaco side that went to the Champions semi-final, Beat City, blah, blah, blah. Bernardo Silva, Mendy, all of them. All of them, man.
00:41:39
Speaker
And then he got the PSG job. That's what I mean. Someone who's successful and done something with a smaller club, shows what they're telling, and then you come in into to our club and do something. But I feel like they're getting these guys that haven't really done anything mad.
00:41:56
Speaker
No, where's Facing World Cups from? Like, what, Southampton? ah I think Southampton. Bro, like, what were we doing? That man got relegated! That man got relegated! Even then, we had Dan Ashworth here, who was an FA guy. Then he was at Newcastle. He was a footballer man.
00:42:11
Speaker
He was a footballer man who they didn't listen to, then scapegoated and sacked. And instead of finding another footballer man to replace him, they just moved someone on over. Like, this is what talking They're saying that I'm wearing issue. This is a board issue. And the only way that Manchester United will go back to being a good level is either we need to find a unicorn manager who can work with trash and work in a terrible working environment and somehow make chash um gold our trash.
00:42:40
Speaker
Or... somehow the fans need to just allow the Amaranth thing and allow the back in the manager thing for no matter what and just focus on the board it always needs to be the board it's not even the Glazers anymore it's Ineos now you've taken over football it's Ineos so yeah let's let's let's cut it there I'm happy for you bro and you know what we both got our new year wish and you know it' is it's mad that it happened at the same time all close yeah literally a week after each other no actually no yeah yeah basically a week after each other yeah it's mad hey man peace peace to them two like i wish them all the best just stay as far Stay as far away from my club as possible. don't even want to hear Chelsea come out your name. I don't want to hear United come out your name. Just get your neck out of it. Thank you for tuning in, guys. um Another episode of Don't Claim the F podcast.
00:43:40
Speaker
um Look.
00:43:45
Speaker
you you United fans I'm sure they're going to be super happy well half of the United I feel like yo you guys are split 50-50 half the United fans are going to be super happy the other half are going to be distraught that their main man as as has left them but I wish them nothing but suffering peace just before we wrap up here let me just do my don't blame the ref moment and even though we were planning on doing one Ruben Amarin yeah listen don't blame the ref him the chef don't blame listen
00:44:21
Speaker
Forget the board, forget the players, forget the environment, forget the media. Listen, you did a bad job and you lost your job. Not because you did a bad job, but because you're a big baby, bro. You should have lost your job because you're doing a bad job.
00:44:36
Speaker
But... Bro, literally, he had everything lined up for him. But yeah, that's all wanted to say. You lost your job because you were rubbish. And every United fan backing him, you're part of the problem.
00:44:47
Speaker
Not me, because I'm calling out. You, man, are part the problem. But yeah. like and thanks so Thanks for guys. good