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Extended Clip - Juventus Scandal: Could They Really Be Relegated?
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Can Juventus be releagated from the Serie A? What punishments can they face from UEFA? Is Cristiano Ronaldo involved? Carlo and Nima discuss what awaits Juventus following the scandal that has shaken Italian football to its core.
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Transcript
Juventus Under Investigation
00:00:14
Speaker
What are the possible punishments for those accused individuals and for Juventus as a whole? Just it's really important to remember that according to the filings, what's been reported is that Juventus as a company is also being, you know, is under investigation, not just the people. And Juventus, it's also important to stress that they deny all wrongdoing. They released a statement saying based on a solid set of opinions from professional lawyers and accountants,
00:00:25
Speaker
The following is a clip from this week's Italian football podcast.
00:00:44
Speaker
The Juventus board unanimously concluded that the accounting treatment adopted falls within those allowed by applicable accounting principles.
Board Members' Silence and Legal Implications
00:00:54
Speaker
So, Juventus feel, you know, they feel that they've done nothing wrong. The people who've resigned are not speaking any, are not really saying anything, probably at the advice of their lawyers. It would be stupid to say anything at this point.
00:01:08
Speaker
while the investigation is ongoing and whilst we don't know what will happen, this needs to be litigated fully. Now, as I mentioned, what could happen from a sporting point of view, which I think is the thing that is most interesting to our listeners and for us,
00:01:29
Speaker
is, yes, theoretically, there could be points deductions for all those three seasons that this concerns, meaning 19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22. And we know from previous, you know, how they've handled the situations of this magnitude when an entire board resigns, that it can also be future point deductions, meaning that the Juventus could start next season with
00:01:53
Speaker
with point deductions
Potential Consequences for Juventus
00:01:55
Speaker
as well. That's once the Italian FA has finished their investigation and that has been litigated. Then you have UEFA. Now, UEFA have every club handing their balance sheet to UEFA.
00:02:09
Speaker
if that balance sheet has been tampered with, or deemed as illegal, or deemed as deliberately not having portrayed the truth, UEFA could also punish Juventus. They could give them transfer bans, they could bar them from participating in European competitions. That's perfectly theoretically possible. And theoretically,
00:02:33
Speaker
it's perfectly possible for Juventus to be relegated. Now, just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean that it's likely or very plausible. I think it's highly unlikely based on what's happened here that you ever get relegated. And I'll tell you why. The law in pretty much every country works on the principle of proportionality, meaning punishment has to fit the offense. Now, I know people watch a lot of crime shows,
00:03:04
Speaker
Without going into what happened in 2006, that was a murder case. Match fixing or whatever happened there, that goes down to the very essence of what happens on the pitch. That's the essence of the equivalent of a murder case. Relegation is the equivalent of capital punishment. This isn't a murder case. I just don't see that. This is more
00:03:26
Speaker
This is a financial white-collar crime in the sense that you can, of course, punish people, and they have reserved the right within the statutes to punish Juventus. And I wouldn't be surprised if Juventus were penalized point deductions for these three seasons and given one for next season. But enough points deductions to warrant a relegation, I seriously, seriously, highly, highly doubt that. I seriously doubt that.
00:03:56
Speaker
I think if convicted, and let's remember, they haven't been convicted yet. It's still at a very preliminary stage. If Juventus are convicted, if, and I'm talking about Juventus, the company, the legal person, not the Aniele and all these guys, no. I'm talking about the club that is also under investigation and facing accusations.
Worst-Case Scenario for Juventus
00:04:18
Speaker
If they are convicted,
00:04:20
Speaker
Then I think what could happen is at worst, like worst case scenario, again, this is my opinion, worst case scenario is Juventus are stripped of the Serie A title. I don't think they'll award that Serie A title to anyone. I think they'll just be stripped of it.
00:04:39
Speaker
I think they will be given a points deduction at the end of this season. Whether or not they can qualify for the Champions League or not with these point deductions remains to be seen, but I think they will be also given point deductions starting next season. Also, I think UEFA will give them one or two transfer bans, meaning one or two
00:05:01
Speaker
or three transfer window bands where they can't sign players, and maybe banned from participating in European competitions for one or two seasons. That's what I see when I see this.