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The One About BandTober
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Join our hosts Nicole, Bobbey, and Cindy as they explore BandTober with a band new Band DIrector, Sean McWilliams. News, Water We, Doing, Gush & Go's and more on this weeks episode of On A Water Break.
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Introduction to Bantober
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Hi, everyone. We're back with another exciting week of rehearsals. This week, we are talking Bantober, all right? So we'll find out what made Ashley say, I love seeing all of the college bands and they all cheer for each other. It's just amazing. And why Bobby said I did have one. I have one thing I think I want to collectively say for all of the hosts and everyone listening in response to this article. Duh.
00:00:29
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All this and more, so get back on on the field and we'll see you back here on the sidelines on this week's episode of On a Water Break. Eight off the Met and go. Welcome to On a Water Break. The podcast where we time for a water break.
00:00:57
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Hey, welcome to another episode of season two on a water break the podcast where we talk about everything you and your friends are talking about at rehearsal on a water break i'm nicole younger It is the most wonderful time of the year at Well, maybe for some but right now it's Right now, it's Bantober. We bought on some fun guest clinicians and our regular host to see how everyone is handling Bantober this year. so Let's see who's on the sideline this week. um let's see Cindy.
00:01:33
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Hello. How are you? oh I'm
Summer Experiences and Band Camaraderie
00:01:36
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doing well. I feel like it's been literally this time last year that we actually got to see each other. Probably. I kind of disappeared during the rest of the year, but when marching band season starts, I am all in.
00:01:53
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Nice. and Tell me what you've been doing this summer. Well, towards the end of the summer after DCI was over, I did get to go to some of that, which was amazing, but went down to Texas for the week. As you all know, I moved to new Northwest Arkansas a few years ago. Landers are home, but we live in Northwest Arkansas now. And I get back there often. My baby girl is still down there. And my favorite band is still down there. And so I've done BOA Austin. Last weekend, I went and did BOA Memphis. And so it's been nothing but marching band for me since, ah I guess, mid-September.
00:02:33
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I love it. I love that you're such a band nerd, but you're a band parent. You're a band parent. Yeah, I guess I'm an eternal band parent because it's been a while, but right I'm there. I'm there. I'm their biggest fan. Oh, good. Okay. And Ashley, hello, lady. Hey, how's it going? ah i'm I'm doing well. How are you doing? I'm doing. It is definitely band tover.
00:03:01
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all day and every day. You've had collegiate band going on, eh? Yes, that was yesterday. It went fantastic. I love seeing all of the college bands and they all cheer for each other. It's just amazing. Oh, good. I love the camaraderie. That's so good. All right, and then we have Bobby Biddle. Hello. Hi, Nicole.
Roles in Bantober
00:03:24
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How are you? I'm good. How is everything in your world?
00:03:30
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Pretty good. I mean, i i'm I'm in the thick of Bantober as well, but in a different light than you are. So ah how are you holding up? Well, I have it on all ends. I have it in my professional work life, and then I have it with teaching and being the director of a marching band. So is it ban band Bantober for me? I don't know.
00:03:57
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it's all things you Oh, that's awesome. Okay. Well, I do want to get on with this today.
Guest Clinician: Sean McWilliams
00:04:05
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so We're going to bring in our guest clinician, who we are starting their first Bantober journey as a band director. so ah This is a Sean McWilliams. Hello, Sean. Hi.
00:04:19
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Thanks for joining us tonight. And honestly, and ah what should I say? ah Welcome to your first Bantober. I hope it doesn't age like five years. and one I don't know. My hairline's showing it, I think. I don't know. We'll see. Hey, you should slap a picture every month. See how it changes.
00:04:39
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We're keeping Rogaine in business. I'll say that. I'll say that. Well, Sean, we just like with every other clinician that we bring on, we like to do what we call the 32 count life story. ah What we do is give you 32 counts and you can fit as much in there as you possibly can. Okay. All right. So we'll have a met and we'll give you eight off the met and then you're in. Got it. Affirmative. All right. Good luck.
00:05:08
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All right, so i I got cut from the battery in my high school marching band. and That's how my band journey started. And I basically, you know, I wanted to prove that I i could do something and i I went really hard with front ensemble for a long time. I did the whole drum corps thing. I did the indoor drum line thing. I went to music school for seven years and now here I am. I'm a band director and I'm loving it. I'm enjoying working with students all the time.
00:05:37
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and and you know yeah see them be their best selves. Oh, that was a good one. You ended strong. you ended Just like a percussionist. Get right in time. Absolutely. I do want to go into so a couple of things about you. so You marched um at cadets Bergen County.
00:05:59
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Okay, um and some great shows that you well that ah were you in just one show or I did two summers so I was I was the tempest for the 2016 summer and I was the tempest for the 2017 summer so that I had the the Yeah, yeah the the handing of batons between the the percussion staff changing and a lot of new new new you know staff coming on board between those two years. it was it was an It was an awesome experience for me to see how culture works in even you know in a group like ah like a drum corps.
00:06:34
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Well, and you also went to Eastman School of Music, um and that's in Rochester, New York. I used to live in Rochester, so that's where i've like we are we have our tie-in, but um definitely a very big powerhouse of a music school. um I used to go to, like, because the juries were open. I don't know if they were still open for you, but I would go and watch those. That would be my a little culture for them. You had to kind of know the right person to get in, but they were kind of they were kind of open. um ah you know it was It was usually you know professors, yeah other professors would come in and watch and maybe an old alumni or something like that. But you know speaking of Rochester, I have the i have my dog town, that hot dog, garbage plate place. You remember that? Throwback to Rochester stuff.
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Yeah, but no, I just did my two years, did my master's degree at at at the Eastman School of Music and I got to study with great teachers and I had, I mean, some of the best mentors i've I could ever have him in in in an education. I mean, i also ah I'm also super lucky to have gone to Westchester um University. for I went for music ed and performance.
00:07:46
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And it was actually the only school I applied for when it comes to college. I only applied to one school for my undergrad. I don't know what I was thinking. I didn't really have and really ah have people telling me what to do or showing me what what the best idea was, but I put my eggs in one basket and it worked out you know for me there.
00:08:03
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So yeah i was super lucky to go to westchester university too i went for music ad and music performance and it was actually the only college i applied for as a as a high school student i don't know what i was thinking.
00:08:16
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but I don't know what I was thinking. I think i mean, I just put all my eggs in one basket. I went for the band and I don't think I had much, you know, no one was telling me what to do. So I i was ah but but when it comes to college stuff. So I was ah got lucky, you know, in a lot of ways. So for younger listeners who are probably listening, you should probably maybe Apply to our couples schools brought your driver picked a and you are ah you're doing your first year as a band director and what's what's the name of the school.
00:08:50
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Yeah, so i'm i'm the I'm the band director at ah Chichester High School. um So I run the marching band. I'm actually splitting the jazz band with ah another music teacher at the high school. He happens to be the choir teacher. um Him and I teach that group to group together after school. um I run an after-school concert band, a concert band that happens during the day. I teach guitar. I teach two periods of guitar every day.
00:09:14
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I teach music technology and I teach a combined ah basic music theory and AP music theory class that is all in the same room. So it's it's an interesting it's an interesting smattering of different types of band and guitar for like the general part of the high school and then music tech for a lot of the ah gen and yeah another you know general populace of the high school. also a lot of um ah a large percentage of the high school has students who are in the special special education. and and I get to work with a lot of those students and it's honestly one of the best parts of my day because there yeah there they they love music like anyone else does. It's it's its awesome. Perfect. perfect and I'm just making sure I know this too. There's a correlation between you and Ashley.
00:10:07
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as a first-year band director, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. So my high school as a new band director and University of Delaware also as a new band director.
Challenges for New Band Directors
00:10:19
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So both groups that I work with. They're all about flips around.
00:10:26
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There's so many new band directors, not just like, you know, first year at a school, but new band directors coming in this year that I'm finding out. but I think that's awesome. All right, so we are going to dive right into all things Bantober in just a minute, but first it's time for the news.
00:11:02
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All right, so who are we hearing from first today?
Community Support Through Music
00:11:06
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I believe I have the first story. And it's about one of my favorite subjects, football. But believe it or not, it is band related. And it's also related to the hurricane. And it's really cool how the bands at University of um North Carolina State and Wake Forest, two North Carolina big rivalry schools.
00:11:32
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and they had a football game on Saturday and they wanted to honor their neighbors to the west that had suffered so from Hurricane Helene and so these two bands performed together before the game an amazing amazing grace rendition and it's it's beautiful if you haven't seen it we'll definitely look it up and watch it because it's so pretty and i just love it when stuff like that happens Yeah, I love it when bands come and I remember that happened a year or two ago in high school like there was I'm a mass shooting and I've heard it was a was it walkie or I don't remember where but the the High school they they did the same thing, you know, they performed the high school that was affected Well, the other school's band performed their fight songs. I just love it when bands. Oh Yeah, and do that kind of stuff. It's just
00:12:25
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it's cool it's a small thing but you know it it it gets in everybody's hearts and minds and and brings people together and it's a community all the time that's what yeah you don't feel good story yeah well a lot of those as we know a lot of um the south especially in western carolina north carolina are still coming out of that horrible natural disaster. Interestingly, um not to put Jeremy's business out there, but I was talking to him yesterday. His in-laws live down there in the Asheville area. They're lucky they're at the top of a mountain. but So I think every one of us have probably has someone or a ah a group that we're connected to. or And we're talking about it all the time on our group chat. So prayers and you know lots of good, happy, joyful wishes going towards all of those people. And there's another one on the way.
00:13:19
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yeah Yeah,
Health Benefits of Marching Band
00:13:21
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we're yep. we We're just talking about that today too Well, you're if you are in those areas know that um, we here at on a water break are really thinking about you and hope that you all stay safe Uh, let's move it along to shawn Yeah, so the news today Uh, basically what i'm reading is and is good for your heart.
00:13:48
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um
00:13:51
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Who would have thought that running basically with with with weights tied around your around your body or being held by by but students is going to do good things for your heart? um It looks like a study done um kind of around ah around a bunch of Texas schools. um blue The blue coats are involved, um students from George Mason, DCI ah basically contributing to research on how ah exercise specifically from drum corps related and and marching band related exercise
00:14:26
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or I think more more generally marching arts related exercise does benefit your heart. Now they cite some other interesting things like mental health, being supported, as well as as well as like the leadership aspect of of so many um you know different marching programs out there.
00:14:47
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and how peer-related you know support and and and community is built. And they talk about this one 16-year-old dance student from Texas and ah his experiences managing just a huge number of rehearsals, performances, and competitions. And he actually mentions how high pressure it is, but also how he feels like there's so so much growth involved in and experiencing something like a Texas band season. and um This ah research looks like it was covered by Dr. Deshaun Young, Dr. Tony Torres-McGee, and they they ah they talk about how these groups have huge, um highly developed levels of of group cohesion, peer support, resilience, and they they learn how to handle you know life adversities like eating disorders, anxiety,
00:15:39
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And even the potential to deal with bullies, you know teaches you how to teaches you how to overcome those things. Bully Awareness Month. I love that. Love that. ah it's It's amazing how much ah people are coming to i want to, I don't want to say grips, but like they are putting the mental health um aspect of our of our activity front and forward with everything. And it's on the tips of everyone's tongue. It's not just, I mean, I love that these folks these folks are doing this, but I know that there are other people talking about ways they wanna contribute um to the wellbeing and mental health of all of the performers in marching bands, so i I love that. Hey, Nicole. I have one thing I think I wanna collectively say for all of the hosts and everyone listening in response to this article, duh.
00:16:37
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It's so true because, you know, I have a friend of mine and and I have ADHD. but A friend of mine who has like, you know, ah those problems, like some cognitive issues. This is the, oh gosh, this is the activity for folks that have cognitive issues. I mean, that was the first thing I could dive into. And I was just like, there's so many aspects. I'm the wheel in this cog and I want to know how this works. Well, you know, and then it's just like a squirrel. But at the same time, you're still in there because you're like, wait, if I move,
00:17:10
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I'm wrong. You know, that's just a small part of it. But yes, ah very, very much. ah Bobby, what do you have
Upcoming Performances and Cultural Impact
00:17:19
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for us? Some news out of Baltimore, the very famous and beloved um magnificent marching machine from Morgan State University is heading to the Rose Bowl Parade in 2026. How about that? Very exciting.
00:17:37
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Uh, they are so famous and so beloved and wonderful that actually when Jeremy and I were at collegiate. The college band festival in Allentown this past weekend. We said where's Morgan State? They're usually there so their presence is always missed when they're not there, but they will be in Pasadena in New Year's Day of 2026 and I did find something very interesting in the article that the marching machine is one step closer to completing the triple crown of parade events and The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, the Rose Bowl Parade, and the U.S. Presidential Inauguration Parade. And as someone who's worked in parade producing and parade performance production for over 20 years, I didn't know there was such a thing. It's like the EGOT of parades.
00:18:28
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So we wish um the marching machine from Oregon State University out of Baltimore an incredible journey. Obviously, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of preparation. It's a lot of fundraising. ah But if anyone is going to kill it and be phenomenal and bring a lot of pizzazz and energy down that parade route, it is this marching unit. So congratulations to them. Yeah. Gosh, I can't wait for them to, yeah, I want to see how they feel after getting their triple cram.
00:19:05
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I'm sure it'd be great. Cindy, you got another one for us, huh? I do, but I have to also say how much I just love in general HBCU schools. They are just I wish we could see more of them. They performed, I know, an exhibition in Texas on Saturday, and I would have given anything to have been there. It was Prairie View, A and&M, and I did get to see them in Austin a few years ago. They did ah an exhibition at a BOA, and I just love the difference between a BOA core style band and an HBCU band. They're so different, and I mean, until you see
00:19:45
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their style you just you just don't know what you're missing i just love them i could talk about them forever but anyway i do have another news story it's another university story this one's not so far related but kinda it's about a young young lady i'm twenty year old young lady named gabby recent who has p.o.t.s which is a condition that causes her heart rate to be abnormally fast and she has a service dog and she plays cymbals in the band and evidently in high schools they were able to work with her and use she kept her little puppy dog on the field with her but when she got to college it was no go at her first school so she transferred to the University of Northern Iowa and into the Panther Marching Band
00:20:30
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and they allow her ah puppy dog, her name is Winnie, and she wears a little cowboy hat and evidently she wears earbuds in her ears because, you know, Gabby's banging the cymbals and then there's the whole band there. But so she alerts Gabby, you know, if her heart is beating too fast, evidently it can cause her to faint and And so it's important for her to have Winnie on by her side. And it's really cool that this college big college band is allowing her to have Winnie on the field with her. I just love it. I did see, like I think we talked about this as a little bit, but I did see a TikTok about her. So um she and Winnie are very ah popular right now. get there Oh, you should see her with her little cowboy hat on. She's so cute.
00:21:18
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And and ah I just want to let people know too because like Winnie is a service dog, right? Correct. Right. um I just want to let people know like when you see someone with a service dog, you're not really supposed to pet them. So make sure you talk to the person who has the service dog first.
00:21:37
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young just don't assume. But right I think that's awesome that she is able to still do what she can do with her service dog. That's, I love it. Band is so, you were talking earlier about heart health and all the benefits. Well, band is so inclusive. And I mean, there's so many things about marching band where they say, okay, we can make that work. Okay. Oh, your student is, is a hearing impaired, can't see, what whatever their disability is, the bands are figuring it out and making it work. and And a child in a wheelchair, I mean, it goes on and on. I'm just always so impressed with, there's no limit to what kids can do, and marching band embraces that, and I love that.
00:22:22
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I love that we're having this heartwarming moment during Bantober on this episode. Yeah. All the way around. yeah Oh gosh. Okay. Well, it is time to work on those changes that we had for the closer again, and we'll be right back as we dive deeper into Bantober.
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00:24:00
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And we are back. All right, so we want to dive a little bit into Bantober and so and you know just no one and knows what it means to everyone else.
Experiencing Bantober: Responsibilities and Stress Management
00:24:10
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So what it means to me now is very different what it means what it meant to me then. um I used to be a guard director um at very different schools and and there's a difference between your Bantober You know, if you are, you know, doing like multiple shows on one weekend or, um you know, you're adding the last movement in and your rewrites, that kind of thing. That usually is what happens here. Right now, what it means to me is just making sure that my commentary is, ah because I'm a judge now, um my commentary is clear that I'm going back and like just looking at, and you know, my spreads and
00:24:51
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you know, just making sure that I'm coming across um you know in a way that everyone's gonna get it. you know And also on the little logical things, okay, I'm gonna get new pencils, I'm gonna get a you know this stuff and whatnot. So I wanna know what it means to all of the people that we have on the panel tonight because we have lots of different ah aspects of the marching band activity right in front of us, parent, um color guard director, um you know apparel, uniforms.
00:25:23
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um a You know a band director we have all of that in front of us. So I want to know man I Want to know from you all? um What is this band tober mean to you? What are you doing during this time? We'll start with Bobby. Yeah um So I kind of wear a few different hats ah During this time of the year So I am a ah high school marching band director Actually Sean and I haven't had a chance to meet but our bands competed against each other this past weekend ah I'm from Plymouth White Marsh on how are you? um But ah so I'm in year four as a marching band director, but I've been at the same program for about 18 years um so what Sean's realizing now is that
00:26:08
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this is the month of homecoming this is the month of senior night this is the month of obviously continued football games this is the night this is the month where you have to figure out if you're going to have a stadium because of homecoming activities this is the month of um possibly your home show um so ah there's there's a lot going on in that aspect in addition to finishing your show, getting all aspects on the field at this point hopefully we're at a point where we're sprinkling fairy dust on our shows and finishing the last bit of visuals and the color guards are getting their last little bit of choreography in and maybe you're adding
00:26:47
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props in or adding fabric in or whatever you're doing. So there's that, which is, I find it's more administrative that it is even teaching. I envision like I'm going to teach so much when I'm a band director. It's more, it's more emailing janitors and bus drivers and athletic directors and secretaries. And, and, but those things are, those things are good because you're, you're, you're meeting and connecting with lots of different people. And what you realize too, hopefully is you have an incredible staff.
00:27:17
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I have an incredible assistant director, incredible instructional staff that and understand my vision and they're able to run with this, which is great. um where the apparel flag costume business, um finishing up the last little bit of orders, um fixing a couple of things if they need to be fixed. Oh, we didn't realize we had our prop dimensions wrong. Can you reprint these in a hurry? Of course. you know So um this is still you know a little bit of um
00:27:48
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a busy time not as busy as like late august all of september but um you know i'm still finding people need something in a pinch you know we need a solo costume do you have something in stock do you.
00:28:00
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to you bust a pretty bunch of pretty unitars out in a week, something fell through. So um yeah, it's it's very busy. And what personal life? ah you know In a way, this is everything. This is our I mean, we spend more time with our programs than we do with the people in our and our families. Right.
00:28:26
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so And maybe, you know, Sean, you'll pick up some things from what we're talking about on the way here. I'm remembering now that, like, this is your first time as a band director. Yeah. No, Bandtober for me has been, I mean, so far, what, we're seven days in? We're one week in. um It could have been a whole month. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't i don't think I would know. but But it's been great. I mean, Bobby, a lot of what you said resonated with me.
00:28:53
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um I feel like the thing that keeps coming to my mind as each you know new new thing to handle as the director comes is this is where all of the seeds that I planted back in July and August when I first started at Chai Chester This is where all the seeds are coming, or maybe you could say this is where all the crows are coming to roost yeah this this month. The things, the good things, the things that I need to improve next year, the the things that I need to think of improving in the next five years. you know
00:29:28
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um So i'm I'm, you know, and i'm i' I think it's also like, I always say to to my students that this season has been me just the anthem of the end is always the hardest to to get through because that's when you're the most tired. And so it's the the sometimes the beginning is also the hardest to start just to get things going. But it's those beginnings and endings that matter the most sometimes because once you're in the routine in the middle of the of the season, you know it goes. It goes, goes, and then you know September passes and you blinked maybe three times.
00:30:02
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um yeah exactly Yeah, exactly. Bobby just said it's a marathon, not a race. Absolutely. Yeah, it's it's it's how long can you keep that pace and you know not not stop, not take days off, not... you know Yeah.
00:30:15
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But also, like, in and this is where I'm, I come in as that, ah like an advocate to make sure you're taking care of yourself. And when this is me talking to all of you right now, like, everyone that's listening, yes, please take time like to like, center yourself fine home base, because I know that when I was judging, or excuse me, when I was a director,
00:30:42
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I would, um all my all my ah all my meals were in my car, you know, like, oh, I gotta go through something and then I would go get it. And then sometimes it gets to the point where you go get it, you're coming back to the school, but here's a fire you have to put out. And, you know, let me put the dinner in the passenger seat for now, you know.
00:31:04
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that kind of thing or just you know taking time to yourself just to decompress after you get home. ah Those things are important too. um But Cindy, um I do want to know if you have anything for the parents. like what What happens with the parents right now? Absolutely. I just want parents to know that they need to lower their expectations of their children because they are working. Not only are they working crazy hours in rehearsal, but they're trying to keep their grades up. and so and I did just hear an interesting statistic that banned kids
00:31:44
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mostly have their best grades during marching season, which is crazy to me. But I think it's probably because they have to schedule their time. They have to do their homework. They have to do their practice. Everything is so regimented. But I just want moms and dads lay off them up a little bit when on the weekend they just want to crash and sleep. Let those babies sleep. I promise you that the trash will get taken out. The yard will get mowed. It will happen. You've got this four year time with this child and band.
00:32:13
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is the best four years of their life in most cases and so let them enjoy that marching season doesn't last forever so lighten up a little on the workload and the expectations and I just encourage them because they are working probably harder than mom and dad are working right now and yes moms and dads have great jobs prop crews all the things they can do on the sides of repairing uniforms there's so many jobs you can do moms and dads do every one of them that you can possibly do Cause you will look back on this and you will not regret that you helped your child and your child's van during this crazy time. It's all worth it. So worth it.
00:32:55
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Well and Cindy, Cindy is sort of the the the head mom. the adopted mom of all of our band kid listeners. Thank you to the parents during these last several weeks. I know I've been incredibly lucky in all my years at my school. Of course, the occasional thing happens. And you know, but it's usually just misunderstandings happen with frustration and just miscommunication. But I've been so lucky with parents that just want to chip in and but provide meals for the kids and they give the staff lovely gifts sometimes. And so thank you to all of those parents. And like said, he's saying, I think that's the best role a parent can play in this moment. What can I do for you? How can I help the program? Is there anything that you need? You know, can I bring pick you up a coffee on my way in? You know, i loved that those things are appreciated. Yeah, it's not time to give your opinions to the band directors. It's just time to support and in whatever way you can.
00:33:53
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Your opinion doesn't matter right now. who it's It's just so so much fun. and it no But I do want to know, like yeah I've seen some shows, and I know that you all have seen some shows, so I want to get into the part of when we're talking about this, about the shows that we should be seeing.
Celebrating Band Performances and Excellence
00:34:15
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like you know We're not all in the same... Well, you guys, Sean and Bobby, you are, but like I'm not in the same areas as you are, so it just like let me know how... What should we be watching? what need What do we need to be looking up?
00:34:30
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um well ah you know I'm not as connected with the BOA scene at the moment. I know Cindy's so bringing so much of that into this conversation. Nicole, I think you're a little more synced into that. I see a lot of it happening in our group text, which is exciting. I will say that I was i was at the college band festival ah yesterday, oh gosh, Sunday, yeah, with ah Jeremy was there, Ashley was there.
00:34:57
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I got to see some incredible college marching bands from the sort of Mid-Atlantic Northeast area. um And Ashley, when she's going to be joining us, she's going to go into a little bit more of it too. But Westchester University, of course. Sean, I don't know if you've had a chance to see them yet. But Westchester, the university.
00:35:16
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The University of Delaware. Hello. ah um Amazing University of New Haven um or ah just some incredible groups. Widener University, which is Jeremy's team. um Just wonderful to see college bands. I remember fondly my college band years and gosh, to not have the pressure of competing and just having a good time. I miss that. So I would like to ask about that because I've never I don't think I've ever seen that before. So it's just college bands getting together to ah perform. Yeah, Sean, do you want to talk about it a little bit? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, exactly. It's it's it's basically like a like a huge love fest of just, you know, I think i think the think it was like something like maybe 1230 to 4th.
00:36:07
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Yeah, 30 or 445 or something like that, you know, just five almost five of full hours of of just college band like no no competition. um I was there yesterday as well. I was just hanging my my girlfriend teaches the pit at Westchester. So I was just hanging out and I i saw my friends at at University of Delaware.
00:36:25
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i'm ah I'm a big nerd and I love the front ensemble stuff. And I still do, even as a band director. And I love seeing how the educational aspect works. Like Delaware, they do this thing where everyone switches instruments in the front ensemble, each movement. So they all get a chance to play different things. And Westchester does this the sort of drum course style thing where most people stay on the same instrument and you know everyone's doing different stuff. And it all works for educationally different reasons. And I think it's super cool.
00:36:53
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And the product is also such a high level, no matter where you go. um And it's it's cool to see you know it's cool to see groups that that um are far away, you know like Boston University and and University of of New Haven, or New Haven. It was one of the universities from there, and and then even Shippsburg from way out in Western PA.
00:37:15
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um So so it's it was it's awesome, it's such a cool thing. i got I got introduced to it when I went to Westchester. I didn't know about it. I went to Upper Darby High School and I didn't know about it um um when I was there. But I mean, I want to get my my high school students involved or so get them get but get them up there or something. That'd be, I think, such a cool thing. you know I love that. Wow. I've never seen it before. um Let's see. ah ah As far as like shows, I am going to get back into that too. um but And like I said, Cindy, I know you've got um
00:37:52
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a big BOA thing for us. So let's go and actually we'll start with me because I do have one. And there was at a show that we just did this weekend. Now I'm not playing any kind of favorites here because the band that I'm about to talk about was the host band. And so they went on for just comments only. But Central Lafourche High School out of New Orleans, Louisiana,
00:38:22
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Oh, wow. And I can just tell you, wow, with the things that are coming out of New Orleans, like, I was, excuse me, I was so impressed, like gobsmacked. But they, their, all of their, their whole staff, um I will tell you that their color guard person, I think is also their production coordinator.
00:38:46
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He made all of their marching band uniforms and the Color Guard uniforms. Wow. And Roach, yeah, and Roach is like, so like that, and they have that in house. That to me is like, you know, you don't get that everywhere.
00:39:03
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um and they have an arranger who is actually in-house too. So they have everything like right there like in their hands just to take and go um with everything else. I just thought that everything they did um was pretty phenomenal and honestly too for having to run a show and then your kids are coming in at the end to um perform.
00:39:29
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um Honestly, i would have they I would have thought that they would be a little less energy. However, they had all the energy in the world and it doesn't make sense. If you're at your home show, ah hu you're in front of like all of the people you know that you want to see your show and then to show all the other bands your show as well. so But I thought that was a great way to end that show and they had a great run with it too. That's cool. Very cool.
00:39:58
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Was it a lot of jazzy stuff coming out of New Orleans? You know, um you would think, but there was just, I mean, I think that they are, there's a formula, I think that some bands have that are bigger, maybe even in Texas, some Indiana. And I feel like Louisiana's got their own, they've got a formula that they're cooking up. Okay. It's good. Yeah.
00:40:25
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it's about Yes. I'm glad you said that because that's kind of something I wanted to say was um something I've observed since I have left Texas three years ago. I guess we've been here four years now and I have been able to experience more Arkansas bands, more Oklahoma bands. I was in Memphis on Saturday and saw bands from Mississippi and Tennessee and I am seeing more states embrace that style that we associate with Texas and Indiana, you know, the great bands, of course. And and I guess I sort of took for granted that all the best bands come out of Texas and Indiana. But, you know, I'm really seeing, not well, there's Court Spittenville, which is
00:41:09
Speaker
15 minutes from me, I went to their football game last Friday night, because why not? And Bentonville is phenomenal. And and then you know Oklahoma, of course, has Broken Arrow, but they also have Southmore. They have Owasso. They have ah so many Jinx and Bixby. I mean, these are names that you're hearing more and more. Missouri has Blue Springs. I mean, I'm loving that it's not just the Indiana and Texas fans anymore. I'm just loving it.
00:41:38
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The Jinx Color Guard director, actually, I had her on for the WGI Con. Oh, yeah. but but So Jara was on here. Yeah. Oh, I love how our world is so big, but we're getting so small. I have felt kind of insulated in Texas because you're just surrounded by, I mean, let's be honest, some of the greatest bands, so many of them, and because music is such a huge deal in Texas.
00:42:04
Speaker
And the and the schools embrace that and they give fine arts gives them so much money and the districts give them so much support And you what can you say? But when you have that you're gonna have incredible programs But when I went to Memphis on Saturday and I saw all these little Arkansas bins Cabot and Bryant and then I saw Mississippi, you know schools had never heard of and I'm like These guys need to come to Texas. they need We need to see more of these kids at BOA San Antonio, because these Texas fans need to see that these other areas, they got it too, you know? They do it. It's just so cool to see. I love it. Yeah. All right. Well, um ah we're here going to jump right into the next thing. But first, we're going to take a break.
00:43:02
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Audience Etiquette and Collaboration in Bands
00:43:52
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Okay, field staff, take it away.
00:44:00
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All right, y'all. So Ashley had to peace out of rehearsal, ah so we won't have her. for the rest of rehearsal, but we're going to jump right into ah our segment next that we call, What Are We Doing? What are we doing? What are we doing?
00:44:30
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All right, so what are we doing is the segment where we talk about what are we doing in the marching arts. So Bobby, what are we doing? Oh, what are we doing? I wish Trish was here. She would love this. What are we doing when you are a major league baseball fan and it conflicts with your October marching band schedule?
00:44:53
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ah know So Sean will know in Philadelphia, we have what's called Red October for the Phillies. Right now they're in whatever version of league playoffs they're in against the Mets. One game was a horrible shutout. The most recent one was pretty good. And so when you're at rehearsal and all the kids are checking their phones, the staff at the competition the other day was like, no, we're losing. So how is everyone else surviving? And I really wish Trisha was here because I think she would have an opinion, but it's kind of lighthearted. But if anyone has
00:45:30
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Any input? I'd love to hear it. ah you know I think the same thing is actually happening here in um Cincinnati with the Bengals because they lost their game and everyone is always trying to figure out like what's happening. You can just see it. Somebody's got it on their phone off to the side and it's just like, excuse me.
00:45:48
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but Could you tell me what's happening. oh love it yeah Cindy, what are we doing? You cut out for a minute. I'm sorry. Did you say Cindy? Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Well, I have a good one from Saturday and it's kind of a hot button for me.
00:46:08
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but Parents, what are we doing talking in the stands during a band performance? Oh my goodness, I can't tell how many times I've turned around and shushed people and I didn't think I was that person. But this weekend I really was and I'm like,
00:46:25
Speaker
It's not cool. It's not cool at all to be talking. If it's not your child's band playing, that doesn't give you you the opportunity to chat with your neighbor. What gets me is it's a performance. You wouldn't go into a theater and talk during the whole performance, would you? Exactly. I wanted to say that. I think we come to expect it a little bit at football games. um Oh, definitely. Where where the ah you know where the the white noise ah during ah halftime and all of that but you're right when you go to a competition and I experienced it a little bit at collegiate and I think that I was sitting next to I think a high school group I they were just so excited to be there like every time a band played something they knew the name of the song they squealed at the top of their lungs and they were excited but it's like well people kind of paid for the seat next to you so um but
00:47:17
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I don't know if it's band kids, I'm a little more forgiving, but other parents talking during other bands performances. Come on. It's so rude. And I really felt the band kids were better about that. They were much more, uh, you know, watching, uh, what was going on. There were a lot of band kids in the stands with me.
00:47:34
Speaker
Watching the other bands perform and it was just the parents and sometimes I feel like maybe it's a lack of Education from the band directors. I really feel like this is a speech Sean that band directors need to have with their parents at the beginning of every season They need to be taught some etiquette And not just being quiet when other bands are performing, but how to cheer for other schools. Because you don't just clap for your own child's band. You you clap for all of them. I just and just want to bonk these people on the head. I'm like, come on, your child's band's not the only one out there. Their kids are working just as hard as yours. They deserve your love and support and all of your applause. And and speaking of support and applause,
00:48:20
Speaker
Another thing parents need to be taught is how to applaud when their child's band is taking the field at a competition. When it's appropriate and how long that should go on and how boisterous it should be. There's just a lot of things that I really feel like parents just aren't.
00:48:35
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You know, you can't really blame them if they haven't been told. they Like you said, halftime at a football game, people talk and nobody really thinks about it. I don't think they realize at a band competition, hey, I really should show my respect for these other kids who have worked just as hard as my kid.
00:48:52
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Yep. Yeah. hot that bring up yeah oh yeah he and i was ah I mentioned earlier, like like the the seeds that we plant back in the the middle of the summer. i that's This is one that I completely missed. I will be completely honest. i am mike yeah i'm like I'm putting it on the schedule next year. like Sean, make sure you talk to everybody about band comp etiquette because because even I have personally like lost it in being out of like the marching band stuff for two years living up in New York. I haven't had that and now I'm back and it's like, oh yeah, wait. Just because it's not an orchestra hall or just because it doesn't mean we don't do that. like we we still We still act respectful. We still make sure we were we're silent. We we still give like our full attention to the band because that's what we would want.
00:49:48
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And know for our groups, right? That's what we would want. So you model what you want. You know, you'd be the person you want to see in the in the world. so If I may say too, Cindy made mention that if band directors could take the time to spread that message, which I think is completely important, but also I hope the circuits are doing the same thing. I know that in my regular home circuit here in Pennsylvania, there is a whole spiel that's read several times throughout the night about good sportsmanship and
00:50:22
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cheering as loudly for you know your competitors, you're cheering for your homes, your home team. So hopefully that's a continued practice with the circuits across the country as well. Yep, I definitely get that. Sean, um and you know, seeing that you just talked, but like, what are we doing? report one Oh my gosh, yeah. um I think it's like the the thing about, you know,
00:50:50
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The thing about band programs and and and and just coming up in your first year is like let's work together on everything. let's not say, oh, I'm not doing that. That's not my job. Like, I am a, I'm like the, I'm not like the, I don't want to be like, I mean, i'm I'm not the dictator of a band director. I'm not, I'm not that guy. I'm the, hey, what do you need? Hey, what do you need? Hey, what do you need? Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. I'm going to help you out with this. I want to make sure that you guys work together. Okay. I'm going to make sure that I help that like,
00:51:29
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I just, I just, I, I can't handle that's when I get overwhelmed when I'm like, when they're like, when, when, when, when anyone that I'm working with or any, and whether it's a, whether it's, whether it's, you know. um working at another band program as a tag or whether it's being working at an independent group and and being a band director or whether it's being a band director and you're working with several different you know third party groups to to put your show together or or to work with your students or to work with your parents or to you know transport. Let's all work together. It's not a, it's not a oh, I'm not doing that, oh, I'm not doing that. you know It's gotta be a collaborative environment for me. and and and
00:52:11
Speaker
And whenever i whenever I'm getting a major headache, it's like when I'm basically carrying the load on my own. and And also, this is probably a great moment to plug say to say this and plug this for all band directors or any teacher out there. Ask for help when you need it. Because that's my like mortal flaw or mortal folly or her Achilles heel is like, I'll go and I'll do something and I'll be like, okay, I'm going to do that.
00:52:35
Speaker
And then I realized it's 1 a.m. in the morning and I am still doing the thing that I thought I was going to be able to do all my own with a filetifier under my own butt. But it doesn't work that way. I'm not in college anymore. I can't just do that for hours and then get five hours or four hours of sleep and then wake up the next day and be fine and then do it all over again.
00:52:58
Speaker
do that for four hours of sleep and then do do it to another day and like spurn the candle at both ends for forever. I gotta, you have to ask for help. You gotta, you gotta make sure that you have the supports in place. strong Did your band have a booster club? Yeah, we do. Yep, we do. because A lot of the booster the president and all of them, there's so many things they can do for you. Those are the people where you need to start when you say, could you help me with this? Could you take over communication? Could you, you know, there's so many areas of parents are dying to get involved in. So definitely reach out to them too. If you're not, you probably already are. I will tell you this, Sean, uh, welcome to Bantober. That's what that's all about.
00:53:44
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be for real. Um, uh, and I will also say too, one of the things that I definitely looked into while you were talking, not while you were talking, but it made me realize it that, you know, there are some programs who the band director is the band director, the color guard instructor, you know, and everything like they wear a hundred hats. So there are programs where there's one person for every little detail. And then there's one person,
00:54:12
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you know, for the whole program. So I get that. And yes, yeah some grace, grace and everyone, honestly, it takes a village. So if anyone can lend a hand ever, then please do because I know. I find that everybody around you and your program that cares about what you do does want to be helpful.
00:54:36
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Especially if you're new I think that they're wanting you to wanting to give you space to find yourself not want to step on toes um So I think I understand how you're feeling Sean and all the newer directors are around the country that are listening to our podcast um But as Cindy said, you know, there's nothing there's nothing weak about asking for help and you know, I mean I remember the first couple years I had ah Smaller staff and I was asking my color guard director to do things that a color guard director wouldn't do But she was happy to do it because I knew she had the skill set to help in that very small way. So um Yeah, and we'll all get through it together that's for sure Okay, so my what are we doing
00:55:23
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is um a little bit uh niche-based but i'm just saying like hmm i what are we doing uh when my door dasher will throw my door dash coffee my Dunkin Donuts coffee on the floor and then let it spread into the doorway of my hotel room This is before I even leave for the show, not for the airport to go home, but to the show. Mama needs her coffee. Yeah, Mama gotta have it. I mean, do they know who you are? You know, I never want to say,
00:56:08
Speaker
you know, do you know who I am? However, I hope that the look that I gave him was startling enough because as soon as it hit the ground, I opened the door and I was just like, are you serious? I'm getting my money back. I'm getting my money back. and So yeah, i i maybe I'll make it this time. I don't know. i don't but My whole thing, I have a whole routine on show day is when I'm at the hotel, I find out what's closer, Starbucks or Dunkin'?
00:56:41
Speaker
I order it, I sit down, I go through my notes, I'm getting in the zone, I'm getting ready. That didn't do that. That begs the question, what are hotels doing not having coffee available to you? They did have it, it just wasn't good. Okay, I get that. Well, what we're not going to do is we're not going to accept unprofessional and unacceptable behavior no matter what.
00:57:07
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And I'd like to think that you got a full refund and a free coffee at least. ah Yes. Both of those things. Yes. That is the bare minimum. Like he needs my an apology note for real.
00:57:23
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ah saying Thank you to all those door dashers out there as well. Great job, everyone. Set your equipment down. Gush and go. All right. Isn't this the segment where we talk about gush and goes? You can go off about anything that's going on in your life that is positive. So who do we start with this? Oh, Bobby, we'll just go back to you.
00:57:41
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yeah we're We're gushing and going. Well, it's just that time of the year. So I'm gushing over my incredible students and the amazing work that they're doing and the staff as well. It's been a bit of an unusual year scheduling wise because of where the Jewish holidays fell this year. so We now have Thursday night football games and Saturday afternoon football games where we didn't have them before, but everyone is just so flexible and amiable. And so I'm gushing and going about just having a great season and looking forward towards championships and um say, so this was my fourth year as the marching band director. So this is my first full graduating class, freshmen to seniors. And so that's been a special,
00:58:32
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That's been a special four years. Sean, you'll know what I'm talking about when you get to that point with your freshmen now and they'll be seniors in a few years. So ah um I just couldn't be happier and more proud and thankful. ah Now you're getting emotional. Oh my God. Cindy, what do you have to go and go about? Well, I had a different topic, but but Bobby made me think of The COVID babies, they were freshmen during COVID and now they're seniors. This is their senior season.
00:59:05
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and yeah I mean, what a way, you know, they have had an incredible four years, but their freshman year is something that they will never ever be able to describe fully because not only are they new to band in high school, but they had COVID to deal with and they are thriving anyway. And they have a lot to teach the little freshmen that are there now that these seniors I have a lot of teach lot to teach these kids and and I have to say, I see a spirit this year and maybe that spirit is these seniors and they've been through a lot. And and I don't know, man, kids are always impressed me, but the these COVID seniors, I'm super impressed with them. Oh, yeah yes, yes. I mean, honestly, you just saying that just reminded me of that and I was just like, oh,
00:59:58
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those poor babies because they couldn't really have a marching band season, but they were like I know that they were looking forward to this season. So great. Sean, what are we gushing and going about? Yeah, i I agree with Bobby and you too, Cindy. like the The students um They're pushing hard this at this point. you know They're pushing hard. They're pushing themselves hard. But I also got to give to the parents. I just had an amazing past couple of competitions where, where and I say this selfishly, the hospitality ah offerings at some of these shows, amazing. Especially, yeah.
01:00:43
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but like like yeah amazing coffee you're getting donations from tons of places in the area so that they keep their costs down and it's, it's giving me ideas and it's given, it's, it's like, you know, uh, I think Bobby mentioned or no, uh, Nicole mentioned that at one point, you know, eating food in your car, you know, eating meal number, any number of meals in your car. This is like exactly what, uh, I needed this past weekend, for example. I mean, I was, I happened to miss a meal right as rehearsal, you know, it was the confluence of,
01:01:17
Speaker
of ah of the perfect number of things that happened that that caused me to not be able to get a meal in and we're on the bus before I know it and then ah you know we do the show and then oh there's food oh my god it's not just it's not just hot dogs and pizza but it's like oh yeah there's ah there's pulled pork and there's a roll and there's ah there's chili if you want it and there's mac and cheese it's like ok We need to start a rating system or something for these these hospitals. that's like we need ah we need We need an app for for Band Parent Hospitality because it's on another level. Dude, when i the last show I just went to this past weekend was in New Orleans. They had King Cake for us.
01:02:01
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. That's not even Mardi Gras. That's what I was saying. I was just like, y'all didn't have to go through all of this. They were like, no, but we know that y'all aren't from here. And I was like, well, that's cool. That's fine. That's hospitality right there. And so many. Oh, gosh. Just so much good food. And you're like, do you want more? And it's just like, I do, but I can't fit in. And judge.
01:02:25
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and judge Right. Because you want me to stay asleep. You don't want me to fall asleep, right? You just hear like burps on the on the tape at the the end. Excuse me, you can just blame your grandparents for making such good food.
01:02:42
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um I will tell you my gush and go um really quickly ah is pretty much about um where I'm going. Like, well, I guess you could say how I'm growing this season, but um I am actually doing my first ah state finals um next month.
01:03:04
Speaker
I'm doing prelims in Florida. um So I'm really excited about that. I am um very honored to have gotten that too. So um I'm excited to see how that's going to go. And, um you know, maybe my door dasher on that day will know not to throw my coffee on the ground.
01:03:25
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wantton home I've had the, I've had Nicole, I know the feeling I've i've had the honor of judging a couple of championships in Pennsylvania. And you do feel a little bit of that responsibility. um Especially if you're judging, ah you know, a caption that goes towards the overall score. I don't know, I think all circuits are different. Sometimes if you're judging maybe color guard or percussion, it's for a specialty award. But I judged the fact that I'm like, oh my gosh, I hope I get this right. But in the end, I've always looked back and have remembered as being such an enjoyable experience knowing what ah what an incredible memory you've made for a lot of students and their staff. So good luck. you're It's going to be amazing. And you you are such an incredible ah person to put in front of a bunch of young performers. And so i how lucky are those kids in Florida? Oh, thank you.
01:04:20
Speaker
I'm excited about it. I'll tell everybody, but. Hey, it's called Gush and Go, not Gush and Stay. Let's go. Woo wee. I just want to say thank you to everyone for a great rehearsal this week. Really thanks to our guests, um Ashley, who had to leave early, ah Bobby and Cindy, and thank you to our guest clinician, Sean. Sean, where can the people find you online?
01:04:47
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So I'm on, I'm on Facebook. Uh, that's my, it's, that's our, our, our default band, uh, communication up in, up in Pennsylvania. Um, ah you can also find me on Instagram. I'm, I'm hashtag or no, sorry. I'm, oh no, I'm at, at timpani underscore sauce, like timpani, like the drum. Uh, I'm never going to give up that, that, uh, handle. And, uh, yeah, I think that's it. That's, those are my two main ones. I'm i'm on.
01:05:16
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You find me on my high school's website, probably. Did you find me? You know, come on. All right. And we all, from all of us here at On A Waterbreak, we want to wish you a very um enjoyable rest of your season um ah because it's your first one. So we're, we're rooting for you. Thank guys you guys. Thank you.
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The On A Water Break podcast was produced by Jeremy Williams and The intro and outro music was produced by Josh Lida. To learn more, visit ridamusic.com. And until next time, thanks for tuning in.